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271: Welcome to Plathville - The Houseguests (S7 E7) · Reality TV Cringe

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am Delia.
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Speaker 1: I'm one of your co hosts, and I'm here with
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Speaker 2: Hello, we are here to talk.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Plath Film as we continue to cover the
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Speaker 1: run up to Lydia Plaths wag Ass wedding things are
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Speaker 1: tents having so much fun. It's lit, and so before
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Speaker 1: as ever, Beatrice, I'd like to ask you, after watching
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Speaker 1: the most recent episode of platfill, what are some of
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Speaker 1: your takeaways.
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Speaker 2: I was loving Mike and Veronica's couples therapists. Oh oh yeah,
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Speaker 2: she was reading Veronica based filth so based loved her,
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Speaker 2: want more of her?
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Speaker 1: Yes, And my takeaway is that in that same therapist session,
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Speaker 1: my hate for Veronica grew. And do you know, previous
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Speaker 1: to this, I didn't think it could grow. I thought
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Speaker 1: I was at maximum capacity for that twat but nope,
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Speaker 1: I hated her more because she looks right into the camera,
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Speaker 1: She looks right at Micah, she looks right at the therapist,
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Speaker 1: and she just smiles as she says, I love being hateful. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love being an absolute See you next Tuesday, and
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Speaker 1: I don't care who I hurt.
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Speaker 2: She literally says it feels good, feels good to hurt Micah.
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Speaker 1: And so I was like, are we watching somebody with
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Speaker 1: a debilitating personality disorder on our television? I know, but
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Speaker 1: I often edited out for YouTube. But are we literally
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Speaker 1: just allowing ourselves to become like Turbo enraged by somebody
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Speaker 1: who maybe can't help the fact that they're broken, irravicable
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Speaker 1: in their inner world, that their brain is fucking broken,
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Speaker 1: and that their only option left is to be an
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Speaker 1: abusive piece of shit on planet Earth?
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Speaker 3: Is that what we're doing?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sign me up.
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Speaker 3: That was my takeaway, beatrue Man based.
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Speaker 1: All right, So, without any further ado, let's get into
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Speaker 1: this week's recap of Welcome to Plath Bill season seven,
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Speaker 1: Episode seven seven, entitled.
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Speaker 2: The House Guests. I don't know who that's referring to
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Speaker 2: Zach and Lydia at Micah and Veronica. Yes, okay, I guess.
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Speaker 1: And maybe it's Zach coming to live with Barry.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Well, that's where we start the episode.
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Speaker 2: We have Zach coming down from Colorado. Lydia helped him
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Speaker 2: move all of his shit down to Georgia. He's moving
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Speaker 2: into the Plath family home. He's moving into Isaac's old
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Speaker 2: room up in the attic, and so Isaac is there
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Speaker 2: as well. He helped clean out that room. I guess
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Speaker 2: he moved into Mariah's old room, and so everybody's moving
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Speaker 2: Zach up on in the house and we have like
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Speaker 2: a little interstitial with Isaac. We haven't heard too much
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Speaker 2: from in this season really, like we've seen him with
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Speaker 2: his pooky bear and everything, but that's about it. And
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Speaker 2: this is where he expresses his feelings about Zach. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't really know him. He thinks that Zach is a
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Speaker 2: little pushy, a little bossy, and he's a little worried
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Speaker 2: about it, but he's like hoping for the.
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Speaker 1: Best, right And I was just wondering if maybe there
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Speaker 1: were some things that we didn't see from the day
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Speaker 1: of his proposal. I thought that too, because I know
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Speaker 1: Ethan and Micah and even Veronica were co signing that
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Speaker 1: Zach was very controlling, very exacting. It was getting on
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Speaker 1: their nerves. So maybe there's like a bit more that
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Speaker 1: he was doing. And even when he's upstairs in his
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Speaker 1: new room with Lydia and she's so excited and they're
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Speaker 1: talking as they're sitting on the bed and she cuts
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Speaker 1: him off at some point like the way he pulls
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Speaker 1: himself back and looks at her and kind of chuckles
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Speaker 1: a little bit, and then she's like, what what did
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Speaker 1: I do? And I was like, hmmmm, the energy shift
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Speaker 1: in him because he got annoyed that she spoke for him.
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Speaker 1: I was like, ooh, misogyny alert. That's what I've been
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Speaker 1: miss misogyny alert.
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Speaker 2: And I've been sus of Zach from day one, and
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Speaker 2: I know it wasn't popular at first, but like, now
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Speaker 2: we're starting to see these little things. And I was
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Speaker 2: wondering the same thing because Isaac said that he was
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Speaker 2: pushy and bossy. He also said he doesn't think that
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Speaker 2: he puts lydia first, which I thought was really interesting
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Speaker 2: to point out. And I'm like, what are we not seeing?
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Speaker 1: We're not seeing something because certainly it wasn't just engagement day,
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Speaker 1: because clearly Zach was trying to put lydia first and
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Speaker 1: create like a beautiful, magical experience. Maybe there's just other
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Speaker 1: things that are happening behind the scenes that were not
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Speaker 1: privy to but yeah, Isaac seems to have a healthy
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Speaker 1: dose of suspicion yep, when it comes to Zach. And
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Speaker 1: so I'm kind of agreeing with him a little bit.
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Speaker 1: But you know what, Zach's a young kid, and Zach's
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Speaker 1: probably never been in a relationship in his entire life.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he says he has okay with his hand.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but like, I just don't know how much
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Speaker 1: of an experienced person he is, so he might not
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Speaker 1: know how to be in a relationship. But yeah, a
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Speaker 1: little worried for Lydia.
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Speaker 2: And it's like, at first, when the season started, we
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Speaker 2: had a lot of the criticism of Zach coming from
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Speaker 2: Ethan and his big dumb caveman brain of.
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Speaker 1: Just o are you gay?
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Speaker 2: Are you queer? And so it's like, of course, you
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Speaker 2: don't want to take that seriously because it's just so stupid.
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Speaker 2: But then it's like, then you have the sentiment coming
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Speaker 2: from Micah, and then you have some of it coming
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Speaker 2: from Kim, who also who cares some but then you
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Speaker 2: have it coming from Amber and Isaac, and so it's like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: if enough people are expressing some reservations about this guy,
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Speaker 2: like maybe we need to listen to it. I'm seeing
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Speaker 2: a lot of discourse online being like nobody should be
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Speaker 2: critical of Zach. He's so nice, and I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: but this is still an edited TV show. Are we
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Speaker 2: just gonna trust him? And maybe he like, maybe he's
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Speaker 2: not terrible, but maybe he's not the best either. I
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Speaker 2: don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I would like to say that I trust
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Speaker 1: Lydia's judgment, but I don't exactly. And it's not because
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Speaker 1: she's a bad person. It's just that she's a very naive,
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Speaker 1: guileless person who hasn't really experienced much of the world
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Speaker 1: outside of her various and sundry mission trips. But that's
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Speaker 1: not the real world, honey. No, so you don't have
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Speaker 1: like a good sampling of actual people that share the
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Speaker 1: planet with you. And so, yeah, I'm a little I'm
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Speaker 1: a little worried. And it's very fast, obviously, but she's
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Speaker 1: gonna do it, she is. Nobody's gonna stop her. No,
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Speaker 1: so we've got Zach for a little while at least.
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Speaker 2: Oh, definitely. And then Zach makes a comment before we
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Speaker 2: move on to the next scene, saying that him and
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Speaker 2: Lydia have been moving so fast that they haven't had
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Speaker 2: time to breathe and they think this is after she
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Speaker 2: cut him off a little bit and he gave her
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Speaker 2: that look and he's like, no, like, I'm not mad
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Speaker 2: at her or anything. It's just, you know, it's been
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Speaker 2: a lot, and like I like to talk too, and
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Speaker 2: you know, we just have been doing too much. We
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Speaker 2: just need time to breathe. And I'm like, okay, but
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Speaker 2: they just traveled from Colorado to Georgia in a car together,
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Speaker 2: so they've just spent like three days on the road
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Speaker 2: or whatever, right, and so they it's probably okay that
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Speaker 2: he just needs a little bit of a breather totally.
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Speaker 2: But I'm like, this is all Buyer doing. Though you
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Speaker 2: wanted to for month, made the choice, Yep, this is
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Speaker 2: your choice. So this is what you don't get, right,
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Speaker 2: And then we switch gears and we go to kind
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Speaker 2: of the meat of the episode, which is Micah and
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Speaker 2: Veronica going to couples therapy. And this was like so
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Speaker 2: wild because we started off with Micah Sweet Micah just
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Speaker 2: saying I feel like I'm going to therapy because I
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Speaker 2: actually want to be a better Micah for Veronica. I
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Speaker 2: want to be a better person. I want to work
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Speaker 2: on myself. But I don't feel like Veronica is going
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Speaker 2: to therapy for that same reason. I feel like she's
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Speaker 2: just wanting me to think and act more like her
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Speaker 2: and what she wants me to be. And so I
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Speaker 2: don't know if we're going to have like a very
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Speaker 2: successful or productive therapy session. And well, I behold, he's right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And to me, this is a great demonstration of
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Speaker 1: Micah's actual emotional intelligence. He's very insightful. He might not
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Speaker 1: be an educated man, and yes he's made his mistakes,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like he's showing up to this therapy
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Speaker 1: session giving it his best effort.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 1: For some reason that I do not understand in my
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Speaker 1: fucking brain ball, he loves this monster of a person
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Speaker 1: and he's trying to make this work. And so he's
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Speaker 1: showing up and he's being authentic and he's opening his heart.
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Speaker 1: And the entire time, she's sitting next to him, and
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Speaker 1: she's just goating him and berating him and degrading him
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Speaker 1: in front of this therapist. Which is why they say
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Speaker 1: you can't take a narcissist to therapy, Like there's no
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Speaker 1: reaching that person. There's such a block in an obstacle
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Speaker 1: to their actual consciousness, like there's no hope, abandon hope.
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Speaker 1: All ye who enter into Veronica Peter's orbits because something
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Speaker 1: is wrong with her and she gets off on belittling
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Speaker 1: even the therapist talking over the therapist.
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Speaker 2: I know it's so gross. I just don't understand it.
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Speaker 2: And like we start off the conversation or the therapy
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Speaker 2: session with Veronica saying Micah's been looking up pictures of
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Speaker 2: naked women, naked women that they know, and then the
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Speaker 2: therapist is like, what do you mean, and she's like, well, Teagan,
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Speaker 2: who is Ethan's girlfriend, Like I said, she has an
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Speaker 2: OnlyFans or I think Micah brings it up.
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Speaker 1: No, it was Veronica who said she saw an article
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Speaker 1: that indicated that Teagan was an OnlyFans model, causing Micah
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Speaker 1: to call his brother Ethan and say, hey, Veronica said
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Speaker 1: that there's an article that says your girlfriend is an
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Speaker 1: only fans model, And so then they get off the
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Speaker 1: phone and Micah accept his phone to read the article. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: to actually look at the source that Veronica cited, to
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Speaker 1: see what the hell she's talking about, which she purposefully misunderstands,
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Speaker 1: like she's going out of her way to misunderstand that
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Speaker 1: looking up the article, to equal that he was looking
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Speaker 1: up the pictures of Teagan's naked body, which he tries
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Speaker 1: to explain in the session like absolutely not. I was like,
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Speaker 1: looking to see if what you told me is true is.
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Speaker 2: True, because he says that all Veronica does is she'll
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Speaker 2: say some shit and doesn't fact check it at all.
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Speaker 2: She says it as if it is true, as if
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Speaker 2: there is base to it, and then he's trying to
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Speaker 2: fact check it, and she wants to braid him for that,
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Speaker 2: and I think he even said that when he called
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Speaker 2: Ethan to tell him what Veronica told him, Ethan was like, well,
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Speaker 2: look it up and make sure it's true. And so
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Speaker 2: that's what Micah did. He wasn't looking it up to
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Speaker 2: jack off to Teagan's naked photos. He was literally just
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Speaker 2: trying to make sure what she was saying was true.
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Speaker 2: But no, Veronica spins it into Mike's a cheater. He
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Speaker 2: will always be a cheater. He's looking up naked photos
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Speaker 2: of someone that we know, so therefore he can't be
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Speaker 2: trusted at all. He can't even be around this woman
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Speaker 2: ever again because he's just gonna go fuck her like
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Speaker 2: that's her logic.
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Speaker 1: Right, And he's been trying to tell everybody like she
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Speaker 1: just escalates to these absolute irrational proportions and like there's
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Speaker 1: absolutely no dealing with him, So you can kind of
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Speaker 1: see how he has turned into this just quiet, beaten down,
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Speaker 1: broken shell of a person who doesn't have the agency
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Speaker 1: to like say what he actually feels, and whenever he does,
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Speaker 1: she just steamrolls him every single time. And again, I
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Speaker 1: just have to say, I have to speculate, like what's
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Speaker 1: going on in the house that we're not seeing, because
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Speaker 1: Veronica seems abusive. She seems like she knows she's abusive.
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Speaker 1: She seems like she's happy to be an abuser. And
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Speaker 1: so with a person like that, once the cameras down
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Speaker 1: and you go back to your new home, which she owns,
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Speaker 1: what she's working on and probably the reason Kim said
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Speaker 1: is your name on that? Like why are you working
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Speaker 1: like a dog to flip this house? Probably when we
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Speaker 1: go back to that house, what are you actually doing
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Speaker 1: to Micah? Because I mean, I don't know Micah's authentic,
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Speaker 1: innate personality other than what we've seen over the seasons,
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Speaker 1: but it takes quite a bit of browbeating and potential
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Speaker 1: beating beating to break a man down like that where
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Speaker 1: he's like unwilling to walk away from you. Yeah, Like
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Speaker 1: I'm just like, Michael, why aren't you getting up out
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Speaker 1: of this therapy session and just saying I'm out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. It's like he's becoming conscious to the fact that
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Speaker 2: he's being beat down and that he can't ever win,
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Speaker 2: because Veronica doesn't want him to ever win or get
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Speaker 2: a leg up or anything like that. She wants him
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Speaker 2: to be low down on the ground. She wants him
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Speaker 2: to be beaten down because she likes that a man
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Speaker 2: a worm exactly. And like, the therapist tries to call
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Speaker 2: her out on this, and she's like, well, why aren't
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Speaker 2: you listening to him when he's trying to say and
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Speaker 2: explain why he was looking up Teagan's only fans, Like,
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Speaker 2: he wasn't looking it up to jack off or to
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Speaker 2: cheat on you. He was just trying to fact check you.
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Speaker 2: Why can't you hear him? Why can't you believe him?
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Speaker 2: And then Veronica's like, well, but I can't trust him,
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Speaker 2: And the therapist is like, okay, then why are you
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Speaker 2: even here? Like why are we here for this? And
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Speaker 2: Veronica's like, well, but I love him, and I think
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Speaker 2: that Mike's a good guy and he's got a good
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Speaker 2: heart and a good soul, and I think he's a
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Speaker 2: good person. But like, also, I can't trust him because
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Speaker 2: he's a piece of shit, cheater, Like that's her manipulation.
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Speaker 2: It's like, give him a little bit, say that he's
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Speaker 2: a good guy, but then shit all over him because
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Speaker 2: you're hurt that he cheated on you.
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Speaker 1: And there was some point, and I don't know if
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Speaker 1: I'm skipping ahead, but I can't quite keep it all together.
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Speaker 1: But there's some point where Veronica was addressing the cameras
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Speaker 1: and she talks about being bullied as a child. Yes,
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Speaker 1: he and I talked about that. Well, it's not hard.
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Speaker 1: You don't have to be a psychic on the Internet
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Speaker 1: to see that this woman has been traumatized and now
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Speaker 1: she's hurting other people as a result of the trauma.
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Speaker 1: But she talks about how she wasn't skinny enough, how
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Speaker 1: she wasn't pretty enough, and how she was not accepted
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Speaker 1: by her peers. And I'm just like, okay, well I
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Speaker 1: get it. I feel like a lot of us have
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Speaker 1: been bullied. Maybe we didn't have a lifetime full of bullying,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of us have experienced being bullied at
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Speaker 1: some point in our life. And that's terrible, obviously, but
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Speaker 1: we don't allow that to then turn us into a
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Speaker 1: bully to other people. Exactly like a lot of us
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Speaker 1: hopefully go to therapy and work on ourselves and we realize, well,
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Speaker 1: bullying's bad, and so therefore I should not be a bully.
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Speaker 1: And I get that Veronica's young and she hasn't put
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Speaker 1: all these puzzle pieces together, but there's just this demonic
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Speaker 1: glee to her, yeah, when she's hurting somebody else. And
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Speaker 1: I really question the level of abuse and bullying that
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Speaker 1: she endured, and not so as to question whether she's
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Speaker 1: telling the truth. I believe her. I wonder, like how
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Speaker 1: bad that really was. I think it was probably very bad. Yes,
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Speaker 1: I wonder about her home life. I wonder who defended
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Speaker 1: young Veronica. But at this point, you're an adult. You
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Speaker 1: should know better. You don't get a pass for treating
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Speaker 1: people like an absolute monster, demon, trash bag. You are
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Speaker 1: a ghoul for how you're treating this young man. You
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Speaker 1: shouldn't treat a dog like this, or no, of course,
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Speaker 1: not a dog. You shouldn't treat anything or anybody like this.
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Speaker 1: And I feel like, from a meta position, I know
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Speaker 1: I'm going off in a tangent, but like from the
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Speaker 1: production viewpoint, like looking at Veronica, it almost feels like
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Speaker 1: she decided a while ago that she wants to be
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Speaker 1: the villain. Yeah, I want to take on the role
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Speaker 1: of the bad guy, and I'm going to call the
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Speaker 1: plaths out and i want to take every single opportun
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Speaker 1: tunity to be on camera and to shit stir. And
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Speaker 1: that's kind of why she's doing some of this well.
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Speaker 2: And I think she thinks that she would get all
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Speaker 2: the support from like other toxic people who are also
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Speaker 2: chronically online oh yeah, yeah, and like who were also
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Speaker 2: like bullied and think that it's okay to treat other
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Speaker 2: people this way. And like Veronica says some shit in
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Speaker 2: the therapy session about how she believes in the Golden
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Speaker 2: rule treat others how you want to be treated or
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Speaker 2: how they treat you. But I'm like, if you want
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Speaker 2: to be treated kindly, then treat people with kindness. Why
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Speaker 2: are we being mean to everybody? Because that's your definition
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Speaker 2: of the Golden Rule, And like Micah tries to challenge
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Speaker 2: her on that as somebody who like actually grew up
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Speaker 2: with the real Golden Rule from the Ten Commandments of
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Speaker 2: the Bible, where it actually fucking comes from.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't. That's why Veronica makes fun of him. It
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Speaker 1: was actually something that Jesus said, so the ten commandments
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Speaker 1: are from the time of Moses. Well, I meant like
17:54
Speaker 1: it came from the Bible, comes from the Bible. But
17:56
Speaker 1: like what she was religious mocking him for was that
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Speaker 1: he got the scripture wrong. And he's trying to talk
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Speaker 1: about loving our neighbor as we love ourselves and like
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Speaker 1: the principle of love. But she's focusing on the fact
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Speaker 1: that he got something wrong. Yeah, and that he's stupid,
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Speaker 1: and she's just laughing at him. Yeah, it's gross, it's
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Speaker 1: so gross, it's super gross. And then she talks about
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Speaker 1: how she's somebody who is very competitive and gets in
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Speaker 1: the mud, so she will fight for things and she's
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Speaker 1: kind of an aggressive person and so she's gonna make
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Speaker 1: her voice heard or whatever. And so this analogy of
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Speaker 1: being in the mud comes up in the therapy session,
18:32
Speaker 1: like as a way of Veronica always just being ready
18:36
Speaker 1: to fight and like ready to attack, and she doesn't
18:39
Speaker 1: need to be at that level. She doesn't need to
18:41
Speaker 1: be defensive, she doesn't need to be mean, she doesn't
18:43
Speaker 1: need to be angry. You can communicate your hurt feelings
18:47
Speaker 1: and your anger and a healthy way. We're not hurting
18:50
Speaker 1: other people as a result. But Veronica can't hear that
18:53
Speaker 1: because she can't see past her big fucking head and
18:56
Speaker 1: her big fucking feelings, like it's all just about how
18:59
Speaker 1: she feel. And she says, well, but I like to
19:02
Speaker 1: be in the mud, and I like to make people
19:03
Speaker 1: feel bad because they hurt me. And I do this
19:06
Speaker 1: to Micah intentionally, on purpose, because I want him to
19:10
Speaker 1: feel as shitty as he makes me feel. Girl, And
19:14
Speaker 1: in that moment, it should have been such a huge
19:18
Speaker 1: moment of clarity for Micah to realize this woman is untreatable,
19:24
Speaker 1: this woman is potentially evil, and taking it back to scripture,
19:28
Speaker 1: like the scripture of throwing pearls before swine, this idea
19:32
Speaker 1: that we're giving the very best of ourselves, the treasure
19:35
Speaker 1: of ourselves, and we're throwing it to people who are
19:38
Speaker 1: literal pigs in a pit rolling around in mud, who
19:42
Speaker 1: don't even understand what pearls are. And Micah, that is
19:45
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Like, yes, you've made mistakes, and yes
19:48
Speaker 1: you come from a somewhat problematic family, but like, you're
19:52
Speaker 1: a good person, you're a kind person, you're a nice
19:55
Speaker 1: young man. Why are you throwing the very best parts
19:59
Speaker 1: of you at the feet of this monster who just
20:02
Speaker 1: wants to laugh at you, wants to make you feel pain.
20:06
Speaker 2: It's because he feels so guilty. I think he feels
20:08
Speaker 2: so guilty because part of the reason is because of
20:12
Speaker 2: Veronica making him feel guilty. But also he knows I
20:14
Speaker 2: think deep down that cheating on her was super wrong
20:17
Speaker 2: and it obviously hurt her so badly, and so I
20:19
Speaker 2: think he's staying out of guilt, which is another like
20:22
Speaker 2: manipulative tactic, and like I think the therapist tries to
20:25
Speaker 2: call it out in the session of like why are
20:28
Speaker 2: you here, Veronica, Like, if you want to be here,
20:31
Speaker 2: you need to actually try and forgive him. If you
20:34
Speaker 2: love him, you need to try and forgive him, and
20:36
Speaker 2: like give each other the space to actually grow from
20:39
Speaker 2: this and be better. But Veronica doesn't want that. She
20:43
Speaker 2: says she does, She says she wants to forgive, and
20:46
Speaker 2: she says she loves him everything. But no, if you
20:48
Speaker 2: actually did, you would let your guard down and stop
20:51
Speaker 2: being such a fucking viper to somebody who you claim
20:54
Speaker 2: to love.
20:55
Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything under the Veneer here. I
20:57
Speaker 1: don't think underneath it all she a good person. I
21:01
Speaker 1: think she's a broken and bad person. I'm like, who's
21:05
Speaker 1: hiring this woman to help source their homes or sell
21:09
Speaker 1: their homes? Like, how does she conduct herself in a
21:12
Speaker 1: professional setting, Because like when we get to the part
21:15
Speaker 1: with Zach and Lydia and she's just having like a
21:17
Speaker 1: conversation with Lydia, she's so abnormal, Like the way she
21:22
Speaker 1: moves her head all the time, and the way she's
21:24
Speaker 1: like always looking up and talking with her affect. I'm like, yeah,
21:28
Speaker 1: who's hiring you to do anything? Like you need a
21:32
Speaker 1: lot of help. But I'm not making fun of her.
21:35
Speaker 1: I'm just pointing to her mannerisms, her behavior, and the
21:38
Speaker 1: things that she's actually saying. Like there's something super turbo
21:42
Speaker 1: troubling about this young woman.
21:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's really fucking toxic. And you know what,
21:47
Speaker 2: speaking of it in our the Year of Our Lord
21:50
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, she's got another boyfriend and he looks
21:54
Speaker 2: like a Temou version of Micah, like total blonde, you know,
21:59
Speaker 2: surfer whatever. But like, she's got another boyfriend.
22:02
Speaker 1: I don't believe it.
22:03
Speaker 2: She posted about him the other day on his breath.
22:05
Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't believe it. That girl's a liar.
22:08
Speaker 1: If she does is a terrible person and a liar.
22:11
Speaker 2: I feel like she's probably got an MO and her
22:13
Speaker 2: relationships like if she's actually got a personality disorder, if
22:18
Speaker 2: she's a narc or whatever, Like she lures people in
22:22
Speaker 2: and then once she gets comfortable with them, then she
22:24
Speaker 2: lets her shit down and starts being an asshole.
22:27
Speaker 1: Truly toxic, and she gaslights. I mean, I think that's
22:31
Speaker 1: why Mike's still here. I think he's so turned around,
22:34
Speaker 1: like he doesn't know what's right, he doesn't know what's wrong.
22:37
Speaker 1: All he knows is that he's always wrong, and so
22:39
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to visit himself on anybody else in
22:42
Speaker 1: any other relationship. He even says at some point like
22:44
Speaker 1: I just don't know how to handle women. I just
22:47
Speaker 1: don't know how to pick women, Like something's wrong with
22:49
Speaker 1: me because she's gas lamped him so hard that he
22:52
Speaker 1: doesn't even know who he is.
22:54
Speaker 2: It's so fucking sad. And then at the end of
22:56
Speaker 2: the therapy session, she just like gets up and leaves
22:58
Speaker 2: and doesn't say goodbye to any time and.
23:00
Speaker 1: Say thank you for the therapy session, doesn't acknowledge what
23:03
Speaker 1: the therapist was saying right before.
23:05
Speaker 2: She stood up It kind of reminded me of Mao
23:07
Speaker 2: from Couple's Therapy with Doctor Horna, which we cover on Patreon.
23:11
Speaker 2: By the way, you want to go look, it's so good.
23:13
Speaker 2: But it kind of reminded me of that because he
23:15
Speaker 2: did that same thing. He would get up in the
23:17
Speaker 2: middle of a therapy session.
23:18
Speaker 1: While doctor Ganna is talking to him directly, and he
23:21
Speaker 1: would start perusing her bookshelves and pulling off like Rubik's
23:24
Speaker 1: cubes and looking at them while she's trying to address him.
23:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was with Veronica, Like every time the
23:29
Speaker 2: therapist would try to talk to her, she's like looking
23:31
Speaker 2: at her shirt or whatever, or like not paying attention
23:34
Speaker 2: because she's only thinking about her feelings in this because
23:38
Speaker 2: her feelings are the only valid feelings here, nothing else,
23:42
Speaker 2: and she doesn't want to listen to the therapist who's
23:43
Speaker 2: trying to advocate for Like, hey, I get that you're
23:47
Speaker 2: her person and that you're angry and that you have
23:49
Speaker 2: a guard up, but like maybe take it down a
23:51
Speaker 2: few notches and lead with love instead of hatred.
23:55
Speaker 1: She feels good, she loves it, she loves like I
23:59
Speaker 1: want like are you a sociopath? Like I mean, I
24:02
Speaker 1: we're getting into those types of conversations. Veronica, maybe weirdo,
24:07
Speaker 1: she's a freak dude, sorry but not sorry how I feel.
24:11
Speaker 2: And then we get to the Platt family farm and
24:14
Speaker 2: this is where we have a double date between Tagan
24:16
Speaker 2: and Ethan and Kaylan and Isaac.
24:19
Speaker 1: I cannot tell Teagan and Caylin apart. I know they
24:23
Speaker 1: look like the same person. Yeah, they have a very
24:25
Speaker 1: similar name. I'm like, who are these generic pretty white girls? Exactly,
24:30
Speaker 1: no personalities.
24:32
Speaker 2: Not really, who are you? Not really at all. But
24:35
Speaker 2: they're doing like some dorky little double date between the
24:39
Speaker 2: two of them. You see Ethan and Isaac like playing
24:42
Speaker 2: around in the country and they talk about how much
24:45
Speaker 2: they love being at home in kro and on the farm,
24:48
Speaker 2: like that's where their heart is. And Ethan talks about
24:51
Speaker 2: how he gets homesick when he comes down to Georgia
24:54
Speaker 2: every time he comes back or goes back to Minnesota.
24:56
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I just wish I could be back
24:58
Speaker 2: with my family. And it made me one if maybe
25:01
Speaker 2: that's the reason because Ethan and Tiagan I think are
25:05
Speaker 2: broken up. Really yes, and the current year of our
25:09
Speaker 2: Lord really yes, because she doesn't follow him on Instagram anymore.
25:13
Speaker 1: Oh my got Tea.
25:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and there's rumors going around. I don't know
25:18
Speaker 2: if it's true that they have totally broken up.
25:21
Speaker 1: I was kind of wondering because in this episode he
25:23
Speaker 1: talks about relocating back down to Georgia, and I'm like,
25:26
Speaker 1: doesn't he can have a baby.
25:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's up in Wisconsin.
25:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she's probably got a baby daddy. Yeah, so
25:32
Speaker 1: that baby daddy's probably not going to allow his child
25:35
Speaker 1: to leave Wisconsin.
25:36
Speaker 2: So yeah, So I'm wondering if that's maybe the reason
25:39
Speaker 2: he just wanted to come back to KBrO. I hope
25:41
Speaker 2: nothing bad happened between the two of them. I think
25:43
Speaker 2: Tea gets a nice girl. For however boring and generic
25:46
Speaker 2: she is. I think she's probably nice. I don't wish
25:48
Speaker 2: anything bad in their relationship. But during this double date,
25:52
Speaker 2: it was kind of weird because all four of them
25:55
Speaker 2: paint portraits of each other, and it was like kind
25:58
Speaker 2: of silly, like whatever. But like Ethan paints a naked
26:02
Speaker 2: silhouette of Teagan and I'm just like, O, my god.
26:05
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:06
Speaker 2: A lot of people are giving him flack for that online.
26:08
Speaker 2: I just think it's kind of cringey to me.
26:10
Speaker 1: Yeah, what are they giving him flack for, Like he's
26:12
Speaker 1: a sexual predator.
26:13
Speaker 2: He's a misogynist and guys, yeah, and I'm just like, Okay,
26:17
Speaker 2: he's attracted to his woman. It doesn't mean that he's
26:19
Speaker 2: a misogynist, but like whatever, and he says something to
26:23
Speaker 2: that effect, like I painted her naked picture because of
26:26
Speaker 2: all this rumor going around of her having an only fan,
26:29
Speaker 2: so I just figured i'd play it up on it.
26:31
Speaker 2: And I don't know. And then we have Isaac painting
26:34
Speaker 2: pooky Bear Kaylin and then he says that it looks
26:37
Speaker 2: like a pig because his drawing is so bad, right,
26:42
Speaker 2: And it was just like it is kind of sweet.
26:44
Speaker 1: Or it was a quaint little scene with two brothers
26:46
Speaker 1: and their girlfriends just having a nice night. I mean
26:49
Speaker 1: it was sweet, but it was kind of giving, like
26:51
Speaker 1: Olivia and her weird boyfriends. So the last season, I'm like, Okay,
26:55
Speaker 1: I'm about to snore, I'm about to fall asleep, so
26:57
Speaker 1: move it along.
26:58
Speaker 2: Like I literally don't care. The only thing that was
27:00
Speaker 2: interesting was Teagan talking about the rumor, yeah, that Veronica
27:04
Speaker 2: has been spreading about her yes having an OnlyFans, and
27:07
Speaker 2: Teagan straight up says it's kind of interesting that somebody
27:10
Speaker 2: I've met only once is talking about me posting naked
27:14
Speaker 2: photos and videos of myself on OnlyFans. It's giving fan behavior,
27:18
Speaker 2: like girl or you a fan of the show too, though, But.
27:22
Speaker 1: I still loved it so much. And I also loved
27:25
Speaker 1: when Kaylin and Teagan were alone in the kitchen, Yes,
27:28
Speaker 1: and didn't Veronica come up during that scene and they
27:31
Speaker 1: kind of started laughing about her because Teagan was talking
27:34
Speaker 1: about having only met her once.
27:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was something like I think Kayln opened up
27:39
Speaker 2: the conversation with like, you know, how do you like
27:41
Speaker 2: dating a Plath? And Tegan's like, I love it? And
27:43
Speaker 2: I think the Plaths get a bad rap, like they're
27:45
Speaker 2: just a normal family. Every family's dysfunctional. And then I
27:48
Speaker 2: think Kaylin brought up Veronica, like the first time she
27:51
Speaker 2: ever met her was at the proposal, and that was
27:53
Speaker 2: when Veronica was talking shit, trying to talk shit about
27:56
Speaker 2: the family to Kaitlin. I'm like, Veronica, you were unhinge.
28:00
Speaker 2: Calm down, just stop it. You don't need to talk
28:02
Speaker 2: crap about everybody, Like I'm sorry, but Kaylene seems to
28:06
Speaker 2: lack the family. She seems to like Isaac, Teagan seems
28:09
Speaker 2: to like the family too, so you're not going to
28:11
Speaker 2: turn them against the Plaths just because you're bitter, And
28:15
Speaker 2: I'll keep it to myself. And then we have Lydia
28:18
Speaker 2: and Zach going down to Boca to visit Micah and
28:21
Speaker 2: Veronica at their house. I guess they're going to stay
28:24
Speaker 2: there for like a weekend or whatever to have Zach
28:27
Speaker 2: get to know Micah and his crazy demonic girlfriend. And
28:32
Speaker 2: we have Micah literally digging trenches under the house because
28:37
Speaker 2: their pipes have broken, and rather than hire a plumber,
28:41
Speaker 2: she's just gonna make Micah do it slave labor, literally,
28:44
Speaker 2: like do it for free and get under the house
28:46
Speaker 2: and figure that shit's.
28:47
Speaker 1: Called sweat equity. I mean, where you work on behalf
28:51
Speaker 1: of your dwelling. And you would hope that Micah therefore
28:54
Speaker 1: would have some sort of an interest in the home.
28:56
Speaker 1: But I don't think that he does.
28:58
Speaker 2: No. I think he's kind of like Ethan here, where
29:02
Speaker 2: he's like, I just need to work on something physical
29:04
Speaker 2: and practical maybe nothing else makes sense in my life.
29:07
Speaker 2: Like Micah says something like I understand plumbing better than
29:10
Speaker 2: I understand relationships and understand girls. I think they like
29:14
Speaker 2: really gravitate towards like physical things to do with their
29:17
Speaker 2: hands where it can make sense to them. And I
29:20
Speaker 2: don't think there's anything wrong with that. It just shows
29:22
Speaker 2: like he's so lost in this relationship. And we have
29:27
Speaker 2: Veronica saying some bullshit to the camera about after the
29:30
Speaker 2: therapy session, she realized that she says some things out
29:34
Speaker 2: of anger that is really mean and hurtful.
29:36
Speaker 1: I said that last episode, and you said that the
29:38
Speaker 1: episode before that, and you said that the episode before that.
29:41
Speaker 1: So when does the change in behavior happen?
29:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, when do you actually realize that you're venomous and
29:48
Speaker 2: you're mean and you shouldn't be talking like that to
29:50
Speaker 2: somebody you proport.
29:51
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be in a relationship with anybody straight up?
29:53
Speaker 2: You need like actual intensive therapy for your fucking self,
29:56
Speaker 2: or like, I don't know, a heroic dose of shrooms
29:58
Speaker 2: where you can kill that ego of yours because shit.
30:01
Speaker 1: Your pants and have a transcendent moment.
30:06
Speaker 2: Actually though, I mean like there's otherwise there's no help
30:09
Speaker 2: for you, I know, God. And then Micah says that
30:13
Speaker 2: he's worried about Veronica blowing up in front of his
30:16
Speaker 2: family again because Lydia and Zach are coming to town,
30:19
Speaker 2: and I think she ends up doing that. I mean,
30:22
Speaker 2: I think we're probably gonna continue this scene next episode.
30:25
Speaker 2: It seems like, I don't know, but we have Zach
30:27
Speaker 2: coming down and he's in the trenches with Micah.
30:32
Speaker 1: Which I thought was really cool.
30:34
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's trying to do bro stuff, brotings.
30:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I did see them talk a little bit
30:41
Speaker 1: Lydia and Zach about Micah and Ethan sitting him down
30:45
Speaker 1: to ask a bunch of dumb questions. And I think
30:47
Speaker 1: Michael also addresses this too. How Ethan and Micah asked
30:51
Speaker 1: Zach if he was gay, and we get it from
30:54
Speaker 1: Zach's perspective and he's like, yeah, that was pretty disrespectful.
30:57
Speaker 1: But I mean, I understand where they're coming from. I'm
31:01
Speaker 1: not holding any grudges, and so I feel like Zach
31:04
Speaker 1: really does show up to Boca Raton like with an
31:06
Speaker 1: open heart, like wanting to connect. He's not holding anything
31:10
Speaker 1: against Micah, even though I would, Yeah, I would, for sure.
31:15
Speaker 2: I mean he does say something like I don't have
31:17
Speaker 2: brothers myself, but I am a brother to two sisters,
31:20
Speaker 2: and so like I understand their perspective of just like
31:23
Speaker 2: looking out for Lydia, and they're asking me hard questions,
31:26
Speaker 2: so like, I'm just gonna give them the benefit benefit
31:29
Speaker 2: of the doubt. And I think Lydia says something like,
31:31
Speaker 2: you know, we're here specifically so my brother can like
31:34
Speaker 2: get to know my fiance, my future husband, and if
31:38
Speaker 2: he wants to do that, that's great. If he doesn't,
31:40
Speaker 2: then he's gonna miss out. Like she has a good
31:42
Speaker 2: level head about it, like she's like, I'm genuinely trying
31:45
Speaker 2: in the short amount of time to have my family
31:48
Speaker 2: get to know my new media and if they don't
31:50
Speaker 2: want to, they don't want to, mm hmm, and that's fair.
31:54
Speaker 2: And then we have Lydia going off by the pool
31:56
Speaker 2: with Veronica's mean ass, and then we have Zach and
32:00
Speaker 2: Micah doing their own thing. And when we have Lydia
32:03
Speaker 2: and Veronica talking at the pool, Veronica's immediately talking about
32:06
Speaker 2: the proposal and the wedding and.
32:09
Speaker 1: Well, but first she has to love bomb Lydia and say,
32:13
Speaker 1: oh my god, you're like one of the only plaths
32:16
Speaker 1: that I actually get along with. And the last time
32:19
Speaker 1: I saw you, I was at your engagement and I
32:22
Speaker 1: really didn't have a great time, but I was there
32:24
Speaker 1: for you because I really like you, and I'm like, oh,
32:27
Speaker 1: you're so toxic. Everything about you is toxic. And you
32:30
Speaker 1: can kind of see Lydia start to lean back, yeah,
32:33
Speaker 1: because she's picking up what Veronica's throwing down, and she
32:36
Speaker 1: says to the camera something like, well, I mean thank you,
32:39
Speaker 1: but I'm also hearing the insult to my family at
32:42
Speaker 1: the same time.
32:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm like, how uncomfortable is that to hear? Like, yeah,
32:47
Speaker 2: so I only showed up to your engagement because of you,
32:49
Speaker 2: but like I was like really uncomfortable the whole time there,
32:52
Speaker 2: and it was just like really weird and tense, and
32:54
Speaker 2: I don't know, I just didn't really like it. And
32:56
Speaker 2: you know, to be honest, like I'm a little worried
32:58
Speaker 2: about the wedding too, and showing up there and it's like,
33:01
Speaker 2: who says that to somebody? That's so bizarre to me. Like,
33:05
Speaker 2: even if I go to a social function that I
33:07
Speaker 2: don't really want to go to, I'm not going to
33:09
Speaker 2: tell the people who are hosting the social function. Yeah
33:12
Speaker 2: this shit was shitty. Yeah, and I don't want to
33:14
Speaker 2: be here. I'm not gonna say that. That's not polite.
33:17
Speaker 1: She cannot help herself at all, and was this the scene?
33:20
Speaker 1: Correct me? If I'm wrong, I'm probably wrong. But at
33:23
Speaker 1: some point Veronica says something like, yeah, those boys setting
33:28
Speaker 1: Zach on fire or setting the scene on fire. I
33:32
Speaker 1: was trying to stop them, but like they couldn't be stopped.
33:34
Speaker 1: Like she blamed it all on Ethan and Mica when
33:39
Speaker 1: she was the main instigator to those boys to get
33:42
Speaker 1: Ethan to set fire to the peer or whatever, Like
33:46
Speaker 1: she just pretended she had nothing to do with it.
33:47
Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on?
33:49
Speaker 2: It's literally on film? Yeah, Like, I don't understand how
33:52
Speaker 2: you can lie about something. It's like with the Browns
33:54
Speaker 2: and Sister Wise, It's like, how are you lying right
33:57
Speaker 2: if it's literally recorded on my televin I'm watching you
34:01
Speaker 2: say this stuff. I'm watching you instigate these boys. I
34:03
Speaker 2: don't understand you. And it's like, I don't understand how
34:06
Speaker 2: people can even look at Veronica now in season in
34:09
Speaker 2: episode seven and still root for her, because there's no
34:14
Speaker 2: bad editing here. There's no like weird tricks of the
34:18
Speaker 2: camera or some weird story against the plasts. Like she's
34:22
Speaker 2: genuinely crazy and genuinely the problem here.
34:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. I mean it's all on her. Yeah,
34:30
Speaker 1: and again, and we've said this before. It's not that
34:32
Speaker 1: she doesn't have like a kernel, like a one percent
34:36
Speaker 1: valid point about Micah and whatever, but like it's the
34:39
Speaker 1: way she's going about just setting it all on fire
34:42
Speaker 1: and being so disrespectful to everybody that just nobody cares
34:47
Speaker 1: about what your original point was. Nobody cares to listen
34:49
Speaker 1: to you, nobody wants to be around you, Verona, No,
34:53
Speaker 1: you're so valadapted.
34:54
Speaker 2: Yep. And like Lydia, poor sweet Lydia just wants to
34:58
Speaker 2: have a nice wedding, Like she doesn't need all of
35:01
Speaker 2: this drama. And I feel bad, I really do, Like
35:03
Speaker 2: I feel bad that her wedding is the source of
35:06
Speaker 2: so much drama, And like I've been critical about her
35:09
Speaker 2: and Zach's timeline and everything and how it's fast and
35:12
Speaker 2: she didn't give her family enough time to get to
35:14
Speaker 2: know him. I get it, but like I feel like
35:17
Speaker 2: for the most part, the Plaths would have been on
35:21
Speaker 2: their best behavior. I'm not gonna say I'm not going
35:23
Speaker 2: to blame the future events on the wedding all on Veronica,
35:26
Speaker 2: I am, but like, mark.
35:28
Speaker 1: My words, if she's the instigator. Yeah, like she's the
35:31
Speaker 1: one I start shit, and it's going to be Micah
35:33
Speaker 1: trying to protect her. Yes, because maybe Veronica says something
35:38
Speaker 1: to Kaylin and then Isaac gets upset on behalf of Kaylin,
35:42
Speaker 1: and then Micah's going to feel some sort of displaced
35:44
Speaker 1: loyalty to Veronica, so he's going to step in front
35:46
Speaker 1: of her, and then it's on between Isaac and Micah
35:49
Speaker 1: something like that. If it's not exactly that, it is
35:52
Speaker 1: something that Veronica does to set fire to the entire thing.
35:56
Speaker 2: Definitely. I mean, this whole episode, she keeps threatening to
35:59
Speaker 2: not go to the wedding, like please, I'm not gonna
36:01
Speaker 2: go to the wedding.
36:02
Speaker 1: Don't threaten me with a good time. Please don't show up.
36:04
Speaker 1: Nobody wants you there, Please don't.
36:07
Speaker 2: Like She's like, I'm not gonna show up if Teagan's
36:09
Speaker 2: there because my man was looking up for her, looking
36:11
Speaker 2: up her titties or something online. But then she says
36:14
Speaker 2: some fucked up shit like if I don't go to
36:17
Speaker 2: the wedding, Micah can't go and Micah can't go alone,
36:20
Speaker 2: And I'm like, are you kidding?
36:22
Speaker 1: She's not kidding.
36:23
Speaker 2: This is his sister, this is her wedding, like he
36:27
Speaker 2: should be allowed to go. I don't give a fuck.
36:29
Speaker 2: If you're uncomfortable about you don't go.
36:31
Speaker 1: Then back from uncensored, I said a little something that
36:34
Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't leave up for general consumption. By the way,
36:37
Speaker 1: if you want to catch all of our uncensored bits,
36:39
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36:41
Speaker 1: dumpster over there. What were we saying about how much
36:44
Speaker 1: I hate her.
36:45
Speaker 2: Again, that she's just absolutely fucking and so terrible, and
36:48
Speaker 2: like her manipulating Mica into not going to the wedding,
36:53
Speaker 2: and her threatening to not go to the wedding, like bitch,
36:56
Speaker 2: stay home, yeah please, Like, look, you have every right
36:59
Speaker 2: so like not like the plaths. I've said this before.
37:01
Speaker 2: You have every right to not really get along with
37:03
Speaker 2: the family. Not everybody jives with other people's families. That's
37:06
Speaker 2: fucking fine, But you don't have a right to like
37:09
Speaker 2: dictate and control Micah and his actions with his own
37:14
Speaker 2: fucking family. Like you don't have the right to be
37:15
Speaker 2: like if I'm not going, you're not going to your
37:18
Speaker 2: sister's wedding? Fuck you?
37:20
Speaker 1: I mean, if we reversed the genders on that, I mean,
37:23
Speaker 1: how many of us would be absolutely losing our shit
37:26
Speaker 1: over that.
37:27
Speaker 2: And that's the thing. That's the thing. It's like women
37:30
Speaker 2: can be abusers as well, yes, but they're often not
37:33
Speaker 2: taken seriously because we don't think that men can be
37:36
Speaker 2: abused in the same ways that men abuse women. Like no, Like,
37:40
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I feel bad for Micah. He is beaten down.
37:44
Speaker 2: This woman is crazy. She's an evil witch, and I'm
37:47
Speaker 2: so over it.
37:48
Speaker 1: I am over it as well. I feel like we're
37:50
Speaker 1: being redundant.
37:50
Speaker 2: About every episode. It's so often I.
37:54
Speaker 1: Would mean to beat a dead horse, but like it's
37:56
Speaker 1: just she's she's pretty bad. She's just bad, and she's triggering.
37:59
Speaker 1: I think she's figuring a lot of people out there
38:01
Speaker 1: who have known somebody like her.
38:03
Speaker 2: Yes, And then we have like Zach and Micah just
38:07
Speaker 2: like digging holes or whatever, and they're having bro talk
38:10
Speaker 2: and Zach can sense there's tension between Mike and Veronica.
38:14
Speaker 2: He asks Micah about it, and poor Micah is just
38:17
Speaker 2: like I think he's embarrassed by how toxic his relationship
38:22
Speaker 2: is and how like outwardly toxic it is because it's
38:24
Speaker 2: affecting literally everybody, because Veronica has to make it everybody
38:29
Speaker 2: else's business, and Mike's just like, well, like we're trying.
38:32
Speaker 2: And then Micah says something to the camera, like, you know,
38:36
Speaker 2: me and Veronica are going through our own shit, and
38:38
Speaker 2: that's really unfortunate, and it sucks that I'm like watching
38:41
Speaker 2: Zach and Lydia who seems so happy and in love,
38:45
Speaker 2: but at the same time they're in their honeymoon phase,
38:47
Speaker 2: and me and Veronica we're in our honeymoon phase as well,
38:51
Speaker 2: and now we're not. So I think he's like trying
38:54
Speaker 2: to foreshadow to the fact that, like married life's going
38:57
Speaker 2: to be different for Lydia and Zach, maybe things will
39:00
Speaker 2: be right.
39:02
Speaker 1: But what Micah doesn't understand that is that long term
39:06
Speaker 1: marriages don't look like what he's got with Veronica. Like
39:10
Speaker 1: my husband would never never, and I never would with
39:16
Speaker 1: my husband, And I look at a relationship like you have,
39:19
Speaker 1: and you guys are so compatible, but you also truly
39:23
Speaker 1: try to err on the side of being respectful and
39:26
Speaker 1: loving towards one another in your communication and the way
39:28
Speaker 1: you interact with each other even when things are hard,
39:31
Speaker 1: and like, that's a healthy relationship. And so what Micah
39:34
Speaker 1: doesn't know is what a healthy relationship is because let's
39:38
Speaker 1: not forget the model previous to this relationship. For that,
39:41
Speaker 1: for Micah was Kim and Barry, right, and who knows
39:44
Speaker 1: what was really happening in that house as well.
39:46
Speaker 2: Yep. And even then with his older brother Ethan, like
39:49
Speaker 2: he had. You watched Ethan and Olivia through a really
39:51
Speaker 2: toxic divorce and it was not a healthy relationship. And
39:55
Speaker 2: now you see Ethan and what he's turned into as
39:58
Speaker 2: kind of a bitter rezon, full homophobe homophobe drunk yeah, like.
40:03
Speaker 1: Drunk ass homophobe.
40:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he's degraded. And even Mariah. He's also seen
40:09
Speaker 2: Mariah and how beaten down she's become out of all
40:12
Speaker 2: of her relationships and now she's run off to the
40:14
Speaker 2: mountains of Montana, which, by the way, she has been
40:16
Speaker 2: posting some beautiful photos of her life in Montana now
40:20
Speaker 2: and she seems to be happy.
40:21
Speaker 1: I hope, So, I hope. So she's back to being blonde,
40:24
Speaker 1: and I love that for her. I did to get
40:26
Speaker 1: rid of the black hair, please. So I do want
40:28
Speaker 1: to say, though, while Micah and Zach are outside working
40:31
Speaker 1: on that terrible project plumbing project, the gay thing comes
40:35
Speaker 1: up again. Yeah, and I thought it was funny when
40:39
Speaker 1: Micah said are you gay or something? Or why are
40:42
Speaker 1: you gay? Or something like that, like he referenced me.
40:45
Speaker 1: But they had kind of a little talk about it. Yeah,
40:48
Speaker 1: I wish they would have gone a little farther with that.
40:51
Speaker 1: I feel like Micah's actually a pretty sensitive person, and
40:54
Speaker 1: he kind of makes a few statements in this episode
40:56
Speaker 1: like yeah, I feel like we were asking some questions
41:01
Speaker 1: that were maybe not appropriate, Like I realize that that
41:03
Speaker 1: might have made Zach uncomfortable. I really wish I would
41:06
Speaker 1: have heard Micah articulate that a little bit more and
41:09
Speaker 1: maybe apologize because I think maybe he feels bad about it. Yeah,
41:14
Speaker 1: especially now with Zach helping him dig his ditch and stuff.
41:17
Speaker 2: I mean real, I'm wondering why we're kind of glossing
41:19
Speaker 2: over that comment because on Zach's perspective, I'm sure that
41:25
Speaker 2: was very hurtful and very disrespectful and like, how dare
41:28
Speaker 2: you question my inappropriate actuality? And like it's super inappropriate,
41:32
Speaker 2: And I'm just like wondering, like why we're not having
41:35
Speaker 2: more in depth conversations about that.
41:37
Speaker 1: Well, I think that they are addressing it. I know
41:40
Speaker 1: that Zach and Lydia are talking to the camera. But
41:43
Speaker 1: maybe Micah doesn't know what to say. Maybe Micah doesn't
41:48
Speaker 1: have the capacity with everything emotional happening in his life
41:52
Speaker 1: right now, it's just like bombs going off everywhere, Like
41:55
Speaker 1: he just doesn't have the mental aptitude to like have
41:58
Speaker 1: the conversation. I'm hope at some point he went back
42:02
Speaker 1: around and he apologized sincerely for that and said, you
42:07
Speaker 1: know I was wrong. But we don't know.
42:09
Speaker 2: I think Lydia has said currently, like on some podcast
42:13
Speaker 2: or whatever. I think she has said that like Ethan
42:15
Speaker 2: has apologized to her specifically. I don't know if she
42:18
Speaker 2: said Micah has apologized to I can't imagine that he
42:21
Speaker 2: to her.
42:22
Speaker 1: Well, they owe the apology to him.
42:24
Speaker 2: Yes, they've apologized to both of them. What she's kind
42:27
Speaker 2: of alluded to. She hasn't given a lot of details
42:29
Speaker 2: because it's Lydia and she doesn't really want to gossip
42:32
Speaker 2: or not. She has expressed that she doesn't want to
42:35
Speaker 2: talk bad about her family or anything like that. But
42:38
Speaker 2: I think she has said that they have come around
42:40
Speaker 2: and apologize, which is cool. I just wish we could
42:44
Speaker 2: see that resolution. Maybe we will, Maybe we will, who knows,
42:48
Speaker 2: or maybe Ethan's gonna set Zach on fire, apparently according
42:52
Speaker 2: to Veronica at the wedding, I don't think so. And
42:55
Speaker 2: then after digging ditches and talking shit by the pool,
42:58
Speaker 2: then we come inside and to the drab ass home
43:01
Speaker 2: and play some weird truth or dare ye game, and
43:07
Speaker 2: I mean they try to, like I think, they try
43:10
Speaker 2: to start off with Lydia and Zach, and Zach says
43:12
Speaker 2: something like, well, I don't want to do truth because
43:15
Speaker 2: we already know everything about each other. After four months,
43:17
Speaker 2: we already know everybody, so there's no truth to divulge,
43:21
Speaker 2: So let's do dare. And I think Veronica is the
43:24
Speaker 2: one that starts it off, right, doesn't she do some
43:26
Speaker 2: kind of dare?
43:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, well, we're gonna give you a double dare.
43:30
Speaker 1: You can choose one, and it's either kiss Zach or
43:34
Speaker 1: take a shot. Yeah, And so Lydia chooses to kiss
43:37
Speaker 1: Zach on the cheek. But I just that just hit
43:41
Speaker 1: me a little cruel, because Veronica understands at this point,
43:47
Speaker 1: just as everybody does, that that is Lydia's value, right,
43:51
Speaker 1: that is her faith. She can't help herself but to
43:55
Speaker 1: try and get Lydia to compromise on that yeah, and
43:58
Speaker 1: I just felt like that was a bit then. I
44:00
Speaker 1: also thought it was interesting that Lydia was having an
44:03
Speaker 1: alcoholic beverage at twenty years of age. She's not twenty
44:06
Speaker 1: one at this time.
44:07
Speaker 2: No, they did say she turned twenty one at this point.
44:10
Speaker 1: I thought she wasn't yet.
44:12
Speaker 2: Well, according to Veronica on Reddit, she was saying that
44:15
Speaker 2: she wasn't, but like they opened it up saying she
44:18
Speaker 2: just turned twenty one. Mm okay, because last episode she
44:21
Speaker 2: was having champagne with Yeah.
44:22
Speaker 1: Well, I think she's been drinking is as I think
44:24
Speaker 1: my bigger point just like we've got Mariah, who is
44:27
Speaker 1: an adult, you can drink, it is legal. I think Lydia,
44:31
Speaker 1: the missionary, the sold out for Jesus, young lady praying
44:35
Speaker 1: in a closet, has also been drinking, which I think
44:39
Speaker 1: just speaks volumes to whatever the family culture was when
44:42
Speaker 1: they were living on that farm. I think Kim was drinking.
44:46
Speaker 1: I think they're not unfamiliar with alcohol.
44:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like when you were strict kids so much,
44:51
Speaker 2: I mean, like what are they going to turn to?
44:53
Speaker 2: They're going to turn to advice, like when you don't
44:55
Speaker 2: like promote a culture of like openness and like tr rust,
45:00
Speaker 2: like they grow up and they get into substances, like
45:03
Speaker 2: it's just like the natural way of things, Like I
45:06
Speaker 2: don't know, people experiment I was a bad kid and
45:09
Speaker 2: I was experimenting in my teens, which I shouldn't have.
45:11
Speaker 1: But Lydia's supposed to be like Southern Baptist IBLP, which
45:15
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's Southern Baptist, but like CALTI
45:17
Speaker 1: Christian praying in a closet. It just seems a bit
45:20
Speaker 1: like a non sequorder to me that she would be
45:23
Speaker 1: able to justify drinking alcohol because like back and then
45:26
Speaker 1: when I was a missionary and an evangelical and a
45:29
Speaker 1: street preacher and doing all my business, I would have
45:31
Speaker 1: never had alcohol. No, never, never would have had alcohol.
45:35
Speaker 1: I'm not an evangelical anymore obviously, but like I just
45:38
Speaker 1: wouldn't have done it. So I'm just wondering, like what
45:41
Speaker 1: she actually believes around that.
45:43
Speaker 2: It's the blood of Jesus.
45:43
Speaker 1: And if there's like a cognitive dissonance that's happening, or
45:47
Speaker 1: if it's like something built into their family. I don't know,
45:49
Speaker 1: what do you think?
45:50
Speaker 2: Righty, Maybe she's dealing with some emotional shit, so she's drinking. Yeah,
45:54
Speaker 2: her pain, just the pain, yeah, but yeah, the whole
45:57
Speaker 2: like truth or dair thing. It. I felt like it
46:00
Speaker 2: was just Veronica's way of being like, look like I'm
46:02
Speaker 2: fun and cool and I'm like normal like everybody else.
46:05
Speaker 2: But it's like, you're not fun to be around. You're
46:08
Speaker 2: actually really mean, and everyone I think is kind of
46:10
Speaker 2: scared of you. Like congrats, like this is what you've
46:13
Speaker 2: cultivated for all of your relationships. I'm not.
46:16
Speaker 1: And I also don't think Ethan is, and I don't
46:18
Speaker 1: think Barry is. I think Micah is. But I think
46:20
Speaker 1: there's a few I don't think Isaac is. I think
46:22
Speaker 1: there are a few plaths that are not afraid of
46:24
Speaker 1: her at all. Yeah, and that have her number and
46:27
Speaker 1: that's why she's so uncomfortable around them.
46:29
Speaker 2: God, I can't wait until we get to the wedding.
46:32
Speaker 1: I can't wait till we get to the intervention when
46:33
Speaker 1: they're all sitting in a circle talking to her. That's
46:35
Speaker 1: what I want to get to make her cry.
46:38
Speaker 2: I hope that's the next week. I hope, sorry, next week.
46:41
Speaker 1: That's such not an a maternal impulse, but no.
46:43
Speaker 2: But like, come on, like she needs a taste of
46:46
Speaker 2: her own medicine indeed, like really like sometimes you need
46:49
Speaker 2: to be humbled and realize, like, oh, I'm the fucking problem.
46:52
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. And then we get to the preview for
46:55
Speaker 2: the next couple episodes. We have like a couple of
46:57
Speaker 2: days before the wedding, and Lydia's like, I'm not sleeping
47:01
Speaker 2: until everything is done. She's like freaking out, and I'm like, girl,
47:05
Speaker 2: if you would have just you know, I don't waited, Yeah,
47:07
Speaker 2: you would have had time to plan and you wouldn't
47:09
Speaker 2: be so stressed. But here we are. We see another
47:13
Speaker 2: clip of Barry got the drip. Barry got the riz.
47:16
Speaker 2: He's the cool, fun dad.
47:18
Speaker 1: I'm liking that for Barry.
47:19
Speaker 2: I'm liking it too.
47:20
Speaker 1: I don't mind it at all. But you know who
47:21
Speaker 1: does mind it? Kiss kimas Kim is bitter, you.
47:25
Speaker 2: Can be better that Barry got the drip and Barry
47:29
Speaker 2: glowed up after your divorce, and he's looking I don't
47:32
Speaker 2: want to say he's hot because he's not.
47:34
Speaker 1: Comparatively speaking, I.
47:35
Speaker 2: Mean, if they were the last two people on Earth, Kim,
47:39
Speaker 2: you're losing. But it's like she's so bitter that Barry's
47:44
Speaker 2: the fun and improving dad. She calls him out for it.
47:47
Speaker 2: She says that he's trying really hard to be this
47:51
Speaker 2: cool dad and not pressing hard enough on Zach for instance,
47:56
Speaker 2: and not pressing hard enough on this really quick and gay.
48:00
Speaker 2: I do think that it's a fair criticism. It's unfortunate
48:03
Speaker 2: that it's coming from Kim Plath because it's like, who
48:05
Speaker 2: the fuck are you to talk? You have no credibility none,
48:08
Speaker 2: miss infidelitous, cheat ness, drunkard. Come on. And then we
48:13
Speaker 2: have Veronica saying that her and Micah made a pact
48:18
Speaker 2: to not leave each other's side because they're at the
48:20
Speaker 2: Plaid family farm. I don't know if it's like the
48:22
Speaker 2: day of the wedding or maybe if it's like the
48:24
Speaker 2: rehearsal or something.
48:25
Speaker 1: They're run up, yeah, for the wedding.
48:27
Speaker 2: She's like, Micah made a pla packed with me to
48:30
Speaker 2: not leave my side, and now here he is getting
48:33
Speaker 2: in a truck driving off somewhere with peace, and she's
48:39
Speaker 2: gonna get all mad about it. Deuces right, Sorry, they're
48:43
Speaker 2: on the farm and you're no fun to be around.
48:45
Speaker 1: Nobody likes to Veronica. I'm sorry.
48:47
Speaker 2: Shit, Maybe that's what she meant by being abandoned on
48:50
Speaker 2: the side of the road. Oh when she said on Reddit,
48:53
Speaker 2: yeah I got abandoned on the side of the road
48:55
Speaker 2: in Georgia on the platform.
48:57
Speaker 1: Good maybe you deserved it.
48:59
Speaker 2: Sorry, God, that's so mean.
49:01
Speaker 3: She's terrible, But if she's an awful person, we're just
49:03
Speaker 3: reflecting back to her that what she is. Okay, everything
49:08
Speaker 3: is just you pushed out so Veronica, where just you
49:11
Speaker 3: pushed out facts.
49:14
Speaker 2: And then we did have Kim talking to Ethan about
49:17
Speaker 2: her reservations with Lydia and Zach and I don't know
49:20
Speaker 2: if this is what causes tension with Ethan because then
49:25
Speaker 2: we have the very next scene. Ethan's like, I'm bent up,
49:28
Speaker 2: I'm full of rage. He's gonna go throw shit around.
49:32
Speaker 2: I'm like, what your wedding day?
49:35
Speaker 1: What are you doing? You're such an embarrassment. Get therapy,
49:40
Speaker 1: look into personal development, read a fucking book on personal development.
49:45
Speaker 1: You grow magnum Man, make fire for real.
49:49
Speaker 2: I'm like, you are the eldest brother and you're acting
49:51
Speaker 2: like such a fucking child, throwing shit around on the
49:55
Speaker 2: farm when you're supposed to be getting shit together. And
49:58
Speaker 2: then I think the last scene is him driving out
50:02
Speaker 2: with his old cars.
50:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like burning rubber in the field where she's
50:06
Speaker 1: going to be getting married. I mean, maybe something terrible
50:08
Speaker 1: has happened, maybe somebody did something terrible to Ethan, But
50:11
Speaker 1: I don't know what anybody could do that would cause
50:15
Speaker 1: you to be so disruptive during Lydia's wedding or the
50:18
Speaker 1: run up to the wedding. You're just an a hole dude.
50:21
Speaker 1: You need help.
50:22
Speaker 2: And it's like, maybe you're bitter because of your marriage.
50:25
Speaker 2: I get it, Like I get that you might be
50:27
Speaker 2: sad that you ended up divorced at twenty five. That's
50:30
Speaker 2: kind of a shitty thing. I get it, But go
50:32
Speaker 2: to fucking therapy and deal with it. I thought when
50:34
Speaker 2: you took your motorcycle trip across the country, maybe you
50:37
Speaker 2: would have mellowed out a bit, but no, you turned
50:39
Speaker 2: into a bitter, fucking angry dude throwing sit around like
50:42
Speaker 2: a total toddler.
50:43
Speaker 1: I'm over it, man, Yeah, me too, been over it,
50:46
Speaker 1: been over it. Yeah, well I enjoyed it though, me too.
50:50
Speaker 1: That's such a great episode, and the tension is rising
50:54
Speaker 1: because even though Veronica is telling Micah that he can't
50:59
Speaker 1: go to the wedding, that she's not gonna go to
51:00
Speaker 1: the wedding and that he can't be around Teak, and
51:02
Speaker 1: obviously they go, they go, and we know Teaken's gonna
51:06
Speaker 1: be there, and we know Veronica won't be able to
51:08
Speaker 1: help herself, and we know there's gonna be a big
51:11
Speaker 1: violent fight between.
51:12
Speaker 3: Isaac and Micah.
51:13
Speaker 1: And so, girl, this is good.
51:15
Speaker 2: I can't wait.
51:15
Speaker 1: She's getting so good. How are you guys liking it?
51:18
Speaker 1: Please drop in the comments and let us know. I
51:20
Speaker 1: know it's toxic. I get it's very dramatic, but like,
51:23
Speaker 1: are you enjoying it like we are? Are we just
51:25
Speaker 1: so trashy bitch?
51:26
Speaker 2: And maybe we're so?
51:26
Speaker 1: Maybe we're so, Maybe we're the ones. Maybe we're just
51:29
Speaker 1: euphoric on trash. I don't know, but I'm enjoying it.
51:32
Speaker 2: I'm loving it.
51:32
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51:35
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