Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / Free To Kill: The Case Of Theodore Johnson
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- 0:00Speaker 1: So it is December 15th, 2016, 3.18 p.m. at the
- 0:05Speaker 1: Cheshunt Railway Station in England.
- 0:08Speaker 2: Right in the middle of the afternoon. Exactly.
- 0:11Speaker 1: And a frantic call comes into emergency services. A 64-year-old
- 0:15Speaker 1: man has just thrown himself right in front of an
- 0:18Speaker 1: oncoming express train.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Which is, I mean, just absolute chaos. Yeah.
- 0:22Speaker 1: Picture yourself on that platform for a second. The screech
- 0:25Speaker 1: of the brakes, the immediate panic of the bystanders everywhere.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Oh, it would be terrifying.
- 0:31Speaker 1: Completely. And when the first responders arrive, they are stepping
- 0:35Speaker 1: into the exact kind of scene that they dread. But, well,
- 0:39Speaker 1: it's one they're highly trained to manage.
- 0:41Speaker 2: Right, they switch into that mode. Yeah.
- 0:43Speaker 1: Miraculously, the man has survived the initial impact, but he
- 0:47Speaker 1: has suffered just catastrophic life-altering injuries.
- 0:51Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, taking a hit from a locomotive.
- 0:54Speaker 1: He lost his right arm and his left hand, just
- 0:58Speaker 1: to the sheer force of it.
- 1:00Speaker 2: You really have to put yourself in the mindset of
- 1:01Speaker 2: those emergency crews at that exact moment because their operational
- 1:06Speaker 2: focus is entirely microscopic.
- 1:09Speaker 1: Yeah, they aren't looking at the big picture.
- 1:10Speaker 2: No, not at all. It is strictly about tourniquets, blood volume,
- 1:15Speaker 2: airway management, rapid transport. Right. There is absolutely no context
- 1:18Speaker 2: for who this man is. Only what has physically happened
- 1:21Speaker 2: to his body. They stabilize him through sheer medical adrenaline
- 1:25Speaker 2: and just rush him to the nearest trauma center.
- 1:27Speaker 1: Right. So at this specific juncture, the narrative is entirely
- 1:31Speaker 1: one of a tragic, isolated mental health crisis.
- 1:34Speaker 2: Exactly. It just looks like a desperate act by an
- 1:37Speaker 2: older gentleman.
- 1:38Speaker 1: Right. It's a medical emergency, full stop. And while the
- 1:41Speaker 1: surgeons are fighting to save his life, the police begin
- 1:45Speaker 1: their standard parallel procedure.
- 1:47Speaker 2: They have to figure out who he is.
- 1:49Speaker 1: Exactly. They do their due diligence, dig into his pockets,
- 1:53Speaker 1: run his details. And they figure out his name is
- 1:56Speaker 1: Theodore Johnson.
- 1:58Speaker 2: Okay.
- 1:58Speaker 1: They find an address for him, too. It's a flat
- 2:00Speaker 1: on Dartmouth Park Hill in Islington, London. So two officers
- 2:04Speaker 1: are dispatched.
- 2:05Speaker 2: Just a standard welfare check, essentially.
- 2:08Speaker 1: Right. Their goal is completely straightforward. They are tasked with
- 2:11Speaker 1: finding a next of kin, knocking on the door, and
- 2:14Speaker 1: delivering that gut-wrenching news. Yeah.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Telling a family member that their loved one has been
- 2:20Speaker 2: severely injured in a suicide attempt.
- 2:22Speaker 1: Exactly.
- 2:22Speaker 2: Which is one of the heaviest burdens of local policing, honestly.
- 2:26Speaker 2: You are mentally preparing yourself. To break someone's world apart. Right.
- 2:31Speaker 1: I can't even imagine.
- 2:33Speaker 2: The officers approaching that flat in Islington are, you know,
- 2:36Speaker 2: they're calibrating their tone, their body language. They are anticipating
- 2:41Speaker 2: a grieving spouse or a deeply shocked family member opening
- 2:45Speaker 2: that door.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in a completely compassionate, administrative headspace. Right.
- 2:50Speaker 2: But the moment they cross the threshold of that flat,
- 2:53Speaker 2: the entire reality of the situation just completely fractures.
- 2:57Speaker 1: Because they walk into the living room. Expecting quiet domesticity, right?
- 3:02Speaker 1: And instead, they walk into an absolute nightmare.
- 3:04Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 3:06Speaker 1: Lying on the floor is the dead body of a
- 3:08Speaker 1: 51-year-old woman.
- 3:09Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah.
- 3:11Speaker 1: A belt is wrapped tightly around her neck, and a
- 3:14Speaker 1: blood-stained hammer is lying right nearby on the floor.
- 3:17Speaker 2: It's just horrific.
- 3:18Speaker 1: In a matter of seconds, the man they just rushed
- 3:20Speaker 1: to the hospital to save isn't just a tragic victim
- 3:23Speaker 1: of severe depression anymore. He is a murderer.
- 3:27Speaker 2: And this is where the cognitive dissonance for those officers
- 3:30Speaker 2: must have been absolutely paralyzing.
- 3:32Speaker 1: I mean, how do you even process that pivot?
- 3:34Speaker 2: You really can't. Not instantly. Law enforcement officers develop a
- 3:37Speaker 2: very specific mental framing based on the dispatch call they're
- 3:40Speaker 2: responding to. Right.
- 3:42Speaker 1: They were framed for a welfare check.
- 3:43Speaker 2: Exactly. So to suddenly pivot to processing a brutal, active
- 3:47Speaker 2: murder scene, a scene involving both ligature strangulation and blunt
- 3:51Speaker 2: force trauma, it requires a massive, immediate shift in their
- 3:55Speaker 2: investigative posture.
- 3:56Speaker 1: Completely.
- 3:57Speaker 2: And as they would soon discover, this wasn't just a murder.
- 4:00Speaker 2: The crimes of the man on that operating table were
- 4:02Speaker 2: virtually unprecedented in British criminal history. Yeah. They had just
- 4:07Speaker 2: saved the life of a serial killer.
- 4:09Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this because the whiplash from, you know,
- 4:12Speaker 1: tragic suicide victim to brutal killer is intense enough.
- 4:16Speaker 2: Yeah, it's giving me whiplash just talking about it.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Right. But then you learn about the woman who was
- 4:21Speaker 1: found in that living room. Her name was Angela Best.
- 4:24Speaker 2: And we really need to talk about who she was.
- 4:26Speaker 1: We do. The source material we're looking at today draws
- 4:29Speaker 1: from a highly detailed transcript provided by the Truly Criminal channel,
- 4:33Speaker 1: and it paints an incredibly vivid picture of her.
- 4:36Speaker 2: It really does.
- 4:37Speaker 1: Because we are not just going to read you a
- 4:38Speaker 1: timeline today. We are going to explore the staggering, decades-long
- 4:42Speaker 1: systemic failures that allowed a monster to hide in plain sight.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Yes.
- 4:47Speaker 1: But to understand the failure, you really first have to
- 4:50Speaker 1: understand the victim. Right.
- 4:52Speaker 2: Angela Vest was 51 years old. She was a devoted
- 4:55Speaker 2: mother of four children and a deeply loved grandmother.
- 4:57Speaker 1: So loved by her family.
- 4:59Speaker 2: She originally hailed from Manchester before putting down roots in Tottenham, London,
- 5:03Speaker 2: and she had lived there for many years.
- 5:06Speaker 1: The descriptions of her from her family are just, they're
- 5:09Speaker 1: heartbreaking to read when you know how her story ends.
- 5:12Speaker 1: She was described as loyal, fun, gentle, and just incredibly generous.
- 5:17Speaker 1: They literally called her the life and soul of her
- 5:20Speaker 1: family unit. She was the kind of person who would,
- 5:23Speaker 1: you know, drop everything to help anybody in need. If
- 5:27Speaker 1: you needed a favor, Angela was there.
- 5:29Speaker 2: Which is such a beautiful trait, but.
- 5:31Speaker 1: If you needed someone to listen, she was there.
- 5:33Speaker 2: And that is a crucial psychological detail to remember as
- 5:36Speaker 2: we delve deeper into how Theodore Johnson operated.
- 5:39Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
- 5:41Speaker 2: Angela was fundamentally empathetic. Her baseline was compassion. And predators
- 5:47Speaker 2: rely on that.
- 5:48Speaker 1: They hunt for it.
- 5:49Speaker 2: Yes, they do. For the police officer standing in her
- 5:52Speaker 2: living room taking in this horrific scene with the belt
- 5:55Speaker 2: and the hammer, the immediate question is, how does a
- 5:59Speaker 2: 64-year-old man, seemingly out of nowhere, commit such an intimately
- 6:04Speaker 2: brutal act against a woman like this?
- 6:06Speaker 1: Right. Because violence of this specific nature rarely, if ever,
- 6:10Speaker 1: occurs in a vacuum.
- 6:11Speaker 2: No, it doesn't.
- 6:12Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like pulling a single loose thread on a sweater.
- 6:16Speaker 1: You think you're just tidying up a tiny little snag,
- 6:18Speaker 1: you know, notifying a family member about train incident.
- 6:21Speaker 2: Right.
- 6:21Speaker 1: But you pull it and you sit there watching as
- 6:23Speaker 1: a 35-year history of deception, violence, and just gross bureaucratic
- 6:29Speaker 1: failure completely unravels.
- 6:30Speaker 2: In front of you. 35 years. Yeah.
- 6:33Speaker 1: You don't just wake up at 64 years old, grab
- 6:36Speaker 1: a hammer and a belt and decide to orchestrate this
- 6:39Speaker 1: level of carnage. So how could a man commit such
- 6:42Speaker 1: a brutal act? Where did this actually come from?
- 6:45Speaker 2: Well, to answer that, the investigators had to look backwards.
- 6:49Speaker 2: And what they found took them all the way back
- 6:52Speaker 2: to the year 1980. 1980.
- 6:53Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 6:55Speaker 2: They realized very quickly that the murder of Angela Bess
- 6:57Speaker 2: was not an isolated incident. It was, horrifyingly, the third act.
- 7:03Speaker 1: The third act.
- 7:05Speaker 2: Theodore Johnson was a serial killer who utilized the very
- 7:08Speaker 2: systems meant to protect the public as his own personal camouflage.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Just hearing the third act gives me chills. Let's travel
- 7:15Speaker 1: back to that first act. Let's look at the blueprint again.
- 7:18Speaker 1: of manipulation that Theodore established.
- 7:21Speaker 2: Okay.
- 7:22Speaker 1: So our sources tell us that Theodore was originally from Jamaica.
- 7:25Speaker 1: He was one of 11 children.
- 7:27Speaker 2: A huge family.
- 7:28Speaker 1: Huge. And he actually used to work on a banana
- 7:31Speaker 1: plantation before he made the move to the UK in
- 7:34Speaker 1: September of 1980. Right.
- 7:36Speaker 2: And the socioeconomic context here is really important. He immigrated
- 7:40Speaker 2: to the UK to join his wife, a 23-year-old woman
- 7:42Speaker 2: named Yvonne.
- 7:43Speaker 1: Yvonne.
- 7:44Speaker 2: Okay. And they already had two sons together. They settled
- 7:47Speaker 2: into a block of flats in Wolverhampton, which is in
- 7:49Speaker 2: the West Midlands of England.
- 7:51Speaker 1: So they're kind of starting fresh.
- 7:53Speaker 2: Exactly. From the outside, you're looking at a classic immigrant
- 7:56Speaker 2: story of the era. They are attempting to build a foundation.
- 7:59Speaker 2: He secures a job as a car mechanic. Yvonne is
- 8:02Speaker 2: working at a factory. Okay. And they are, you know,
- 8:05Speaker 2: just navigating the complexities of a new country, a new culture,
- 8:09Speaker 2: and raising two young boys.
- 8:11Speaker 1: But whatever facade of a happy new life they had
- 8:13Speaker 1: crumbled incredibly fast. Just a few months after he arrived,
- 8:17Speaker 1: in May of 1981, we see the first explosion of
- 8:21Speaker 1: lethal violence.
- 8:22Speaker 2: Just months. Yeah.
- 8:24Speaker 1: And the details are just so mundane and then suddenly
- 8:28Speaker 1: so extreme. It's a Sunday. People are relaxing. But the
- 8:32Speaker 1: neighbor in the flat next door hears a massive tussle
- 8:36Speaker 1: breaking out. The shouting is loud enough to just pierce
- 8:39Speaker 1: the walls.
- 8:40Speaker 2: And the source outlines the inciting incident for this argument.
- 8:43Speaker 2: It is... chilling in its absolute triviality.
- 8:46Speaker 1: It really is.
- 8:47Speaker 2: The argument started because Yvonne did not want Theodore going
- 8:50Speaker 2: to church with her.
- 8:51Speaker 1: And why was that?
- 8:52Speaker 2: Because she felt he wasn't dressed smartly enough. That was
- 8:55Speaker 2: the spark.
- 8:57Speaker 1: A disagreement about church clothes. I mean, think about the
- 9:01Speaker 1: thousands of minor domestic squabbles couples have every single day
- 9:04Speaker 1: about what to wear or who forgot to take out
- 9:07Speaker 1: the trash.
- 9:08Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 9:08Speaker 1: But Theodore's response to this minor domestic friction wasn't just anger.
- 9:13Speaker 1: It was catastrophic violence. He grabbed a vase and smashed
- 9:17Speaker 1: it over Yvonne's head.
- 9:18Speaker 2: Unbelievable escalation.
- 9:21Speaker 1: And then the physical altercation spilled out of the confines
- 9:23Speaker 1: of the flat and onto their ninth floor balcony.
- 9:27Speaker 2: And this is the moment where the psychology shifts from
- 9:29Speaker 2: reactive anger to calculated homicide. They are on a balcony
- 9:34Speaker 2: nine stories up. Yeah. And he pushes her deliberately over
- 9:40Speaker 2: the edge.
- 9:40Speaker 1: And Yvonne doesn't just fall instantly, right?
- 9:43Speaker 2: No, she frantically grabs onto the balcony. She is dangling there,
- 9:47Speaker 2: desperately trying to hold on for her life, suspended nine
- 9:50Speaker 2: floors above the concrete.
- 9:52Speaker 1: Which is just the most terrifying final moment I can imagine.
- 9:55Speaker 1: And Theodore, what does he do while she's hanging there?
- 9:58Speaker 2: He does absolutely nothing. to help the mother of his
- 10:00Speaker 2: two children. He just stands there.
- 10:03Speaker 1: He just watches her?
- 10:04Speaker 2: He watches her grip loosen, finger by finger, until she
- 10:08Speaker 2: falls nine stories to the concrete below.
- 10:11Speaker 1: The sheer physics of a nine-story fall are devastating. Neighbors
- 10:16Speaker 1: literally witnessed the aftermath and the fall itself. They saw
- 10:20Speaker 1: the ambulance rushing up.
- 10:22Speaker 2: It was incredibly public.
- 10:23Speaker 1: Right. Yvonne was initially in critical condition when the paramedics
- 10:27Speaker 1: got to her, but she succumbed to those massive blunt
- 10:30Speaker 1: force injuries shortly after.
- 10:32Speaker 2: Yeah, there was no surviving that.
- 10:34Speaker 1: When the police arrived and began interviewing the witnesses, it
- 10:37Speaker 1: became immediately clear to everyone on the ground that this
- 10:41Speaker 1: was not a tragic accident.
- 10:44Speaker 2: No. She hadn't tripped over the railing.
- 10:46Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly. The witnesses explicitly stated they heard the fight.
- 10:51Speaker 1: The circumstances pointed clearly to her being deliberately thrown. So
- 10:57Speaker 1: Theodore was arrested and charged with murder.
- 11:00Speaker 2: And rightfully so.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Right. He's sent to Birmingham prison to await his trial.
- 11:05Speaker 1: And this is where Theodore Johnson, sitting in a jail cell,
- 11:10Speaker 1: begins to write his playbook.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Yes.
- 11:12Speaker 1: This is where the calculated, chillingly intelligent manipulation really begins.
- 11:18Speaker 1: He starts writing letters, but he doesn't write them to
- 11:21Speaker 1: his defense attorneys or to his family back in Jamaica.
- 11:24Speaker 2: Who does he write to?
- 11:26Speaker 1: He writes them to his neighbors back in Wolverhampton.
- 11:28Speaker 2: And you really have to understand the tactical brilliance of
- 11:32Speaker 2: this in a highly psychopathic sense.
- 11:36Speaker 1: Yeah, explain that because it seems weird at first.
- 11:39Speaker 2: Well, in 1981, he knows exactly how the penal system
- 11:42Speaker 2: operates regarding correspondence. He knew. that prison guards monitored, opened,
- 11:47Speaker 2: and read all mail going in and out of the
- 11:50Speaker 2: cells of remanned prisoners.
- 11:53Speaker 1: Ah, so he knew he had an audience.
- 11:55Speaker 2: Exactly. He knew those letters would be intercepted and become
- 11:58Speaker 2: part of the official legal record. So he wasn't really
- 12:02Speaker 2: writing to his neighbors. He was writing to the Crown
- 12:04Speaker 2: Prosecution Service.
- 12:06Speaker 1: That is so manipulative.
- 12:09Speaker 2: It is. He crafted a narrative. He wrote that Yvonne
- 12:13Speaker 2: had been Terribly abusive and violent toward him for a
- 12:15Speaker 2: long time.
- 12:17Speaker 1: Just completely flipping the script.
- 12:19Speaker 2: Right. He claimed that during the argument over the clothes,
- 12:22Speaker 2: he just snapped and fought back in self-defense. He admitted
- 12:26Speaker 2: to hitting her with a vase and pushing her, but
- 12:29Speaker 2: he framed the entire event as the desperate, reactive act
- 12:32Speaker 2: of a terrified, battered man.
- 12:35Speaker 1: So he was basically laying the groundwork to paint himself
- 12:37Speaker 1: as the victim.
- 12:38Speaker 2: Right.
- 12:39Speaker 1: Yeah, he figured out that if he could just convince
- 12:42Speaker 1: the authorities that he was provoked to the point of,
- 12:44Speaker 1: you know, losing his mind, that he wouldn't be facing
- 12:46Speaker 1: that mandatory life sentence for murder.
- 12:48Speaker 2: You know, you get angled for that lesser charge that you,
- 12:51Speaker 2: you know, the lesser charge of manslaughter.
- 12:53Speaker 1: And this brings us to the trial in November 1981
- 12:56Speaker 1: at the Stafford Crown Court, which, when you read the transcripts,
- 13:00Speaker 1: honestly reads like a work of dark fiction.
- 13:03Speaker 2: The trial is a masterclass in judicial failure and societal bias.
- 13:08Speaker 2: First of all, the neighbors. The ones who lived right
- 13:10Speaker 2: next door, who heard the fight, who had never heard
- 13:13Speaker 2: any prior altercations that would corroborate Theodore's claims of long-term abuse.
- 13:18Speaker 2: They were never called to testify by the prosecution.
- 13:20Speaker 1: Wait, let me push back on this because I am
- 13:23Speaker 1: struggling to comprehend the legal mechanics here.
- 13:25Speaker 2: It's baffling.
- 13:27Speaker 1: You're saying the system was biased, but this is a
- 13:29Speaker 1: murder trial in a Crown court. How does a judge
- 13:32Speaker 1: or a prosecutor legally justify bypassing the neighbor's statements entirely?
- 13:37Speaker 2: They just didn't prioritize them.
- 13:39Speaker 1: Was the standard of evidence just that broken in 1981
- 13:42Speaker 1: or did the defense actively suppress it? I mean, you
- 13:45Speaker 1: don't just leave out the people who heard the murder happen.
- 13:48Speaker 2: That is the critical failure point right there. In the
- 13:51Speaker 2: early 1980s, the legal definition and application of the provocation
- 13:56Speaker 2: defense in the UK was deeply flawed, particularly when it
- 14:00Speaker 2: intersected with domestic homicides.
- 14:02Speaker 1: OK, so it was a systemic issue with how they
- 14:05Speaker 1: viewed provocation.
- 14:06Speaker 2: Exactly. The prosecution often focused entirely on the physical evidence
- 14:10Speaker 2: of the act itself, rather than the circumstantial character evidence
- 14:14Speaker 2: surrounding it. The defense presented Theodore's letters, the ones he
- 14:18Speaker 2: strategically wrote knowing they'd be read, as a documented, contemporaneous
- 14:22Speaker 2: state of mind.
- 14:24Speaker 1: So they took his fake letters as gospel.
- 14:26Speaker 2: Yes. And because the prosecution failed to aggressively counter this
- 14:30Speaker 2: narrative by putting those neighbors on the stand to testify
- 14:33Speaker 2: about the couple's actual day-to-day dynamic, the court was left
- 14:36Speaker 2: with a vacuum.
- 14:37Speaker 1: Wow.
- 14:39Speaker 2: And Theodore's defense team filled that vacuum with his fabricated
- 14:42Speaker 2: story of being a battered husband.
- 14:44Speaker 1: And it gets worse than just a vacuum of evidence.
- 14:46Speaker 1: A police officer actually took the stand and testified on
- 14:50Speaker 1: Theodore's behalf, stating that Theodore was a victim of domestic violence.
- 14:53Speaker 1: How does that even happen?
- 14:55Speaker 2: It really speaks to the insidious nature of coercive controllers. Yeah.
- 14:59Speaker 2: They are often incredibly charming, polite, and persuasive to authority figures.
- 15:03Speaker 2: Theodore likely presented himself to the police as meek, remorseful,
- 15:07Speaker 2: and completely broken by his wife's supposed nagging.
- 15:10Speaker 1: So he conned the cops too.
- 15:12Speaker 2: He did. The jury, presented with this warped narrative compounded
- 15:16Speaker 2: by the endorsement of a police officer, was entirely swayed.
- 15:20Speaker 2: They didn't see a cold-blooded killer who watched his wife
- 15:23Speaker 2: hang from a balcony. They saw a man pushed beyond
- 15:26Speaker 2: his limits.
- 15:27Speaker 1: Which means they didn't convict him of murder.
- 15:29Speaker 2: No. They convicted him of manslaughter by reason of provocation.
- 15:33Speaker 1: The judge's sentencing remarks are just... Baffling to read today.
- 15:38Speaker 1: The judge officially referred to Theodore as a battered husband
- 15:41Speaker 1: in open court.
- 15:42Speaker 2: It's sickening.
- 15:43Speaker 1: Even noted for the record that Yvonne had allegedly hit
- 15:46Speaker 1: him with a broom in the past and nagged him
- 15:48Speaker 1: about doing household chores.
- 15:49Speaker 2: Blaming the victim entirely.
- 15:50Speaker 1: Right. Think about the message that sends. For throwing a
- 15:54Speaker 1: 23-year-old mother of two off a balcony, Theodore Johnson served
- 15:58Speaker 1: just three years in prison.
- 16:01Speaker 2: Three years. The devaluation of Yvonne's life is just staggering.
- 16:06Speaker 1: It is.
- 16:07Speaker 2: But beyond the tragedy of the sentence itself, it set
- 16:10Speaker 2: a terrifying psychological precedent for Theodore. He learned an invaluable
- 16:15Speaker 2: lesson in that courtroom.
- 16:16Speaker 1: Yeah, that his lies work.
- 16:17Speaker 2: Precisely. He learned that if he played the victim, if
- 16:21Speaker 2: he utilized the language of vulnerability, the British justice system
- 16:26Speaker 2: would bend over backward to show him leniency. He realized
- 16:29Speaker 2: that the legal system was inherently reliant on the narrative
- 16:32Speaker 2: presented in the courtroom rather than the objective reality of
- 16:35Speaker 2: the violence.
- 16:36Speaker 1: He walked away from a murder with a slap on
- 16:39Speaker 1: the wrist. And because he served so little time, he
- 16:42Speaker 1: was right back out into the world while he was
- 16:44Speaker 1: still a young man.
- 16:46Speaker 2: Which is terrifying.
- 16:47Speaker 1: Which shifts us immediately into what happened after his release.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Because if anyone sitting on that jury thought those three
- 16:54Speaker 1: years rehabilitated him, they were dead wrong.
- 16:57Speaker 2: Dead wrong.
- 16:58Speaker 1: The justice system's leniency wasn't just an error. It was
- 17:01Speaker 1: a fatal error that directly doomed another woman.
- 17:04Speaker 2: Exactly. Following his incredibly brief stint in prison, Theodore starts
- 17:10Speaker 2: a new life and a new relationship. He moves in
- 17:13Speaker 2: with a woman named Yvonne Bennett.
- 17:15Speaker 1: It's chilling that her name was also Yvonne.
- 17:18Speaker 2: It really is. They live together in Low Hill, Wolverhampton,
- 17:22Speaker 2: and they eventually have a daughter together.
- 17:24Speaker 1: And right away, the red flags are flying. But not
- 17:28Speaker 1: everyone is blind to them this time. Yvonne Bennett's sister,
- 17:31Speaker 1: a woman named Janet, she saw right through him from
- 17:34Speaker 1: day one.
- 17:34Speaker 2: Janet was very perceptive.
- 17:37Speaker 1: In the source material, Janet says she took an immediate
- 17:40Speaker 1: dislike to him. She described their dynamic by saying, we
- 17:43Speaker 1: were arch enemies.
- 17:44Speaker 2: Wow, that's a strong statement.
- 17:46Speaker 1: Yeah. She saw how intensely controlling he was. He was
- 17:50Speaker 1: dictating who Yvonne could talk to, where she could go.
- 17:53Speaker 1: He was isolating her from her support network.
- 17:56Speaker 2: Janet's instincts were entirely correct. And she was picking up
- 17:59Speaker 2: on the classic mechanics of coercive control. Theodore was reestablishing
- 18:04Speaker 2: the exact same paradigm of dominance that ended in his
- 18:07Speaker 2: first wife's death.
- 18:09Speaker 1: It's a pattern.
- 18:09Speaker 2: A course of control isn't just about physical violence. It's
- 18:13Speaker 2: about micromanaging a partner's life to strip them of their autonomy.
- 18:17Speaker 1: Right.
- 18:18Speaker 2: Janet actively tried to encourage her sister to leave him,
- 18:21Speaker 2: recognizing the danger even if she didn't know the full
- 18:23Speaker 2: extent of it. And eventually, Yvonne did try to escape.
- 18:27Speaker 1: She did. She moved all the way to Holloway, London,
- 18:30Speaker 1: and later to Finsbury Park. specifically to get away from Theodore.
- 18:34Speaker 2: But he wouldn't let her go. No.
- 18:37Speaker 1: He followed her from Wolverhampton down to London. And here
- 18:40Speaker 1: is a terrifying detail for you to consider. Neither Yvonne
- 18:45Speaker 1: Bennett nor her sister Janet had any idea about Theodore's past.
- 18:49Speaker 2: They had no clue.
- 18:50Speaker 1: They didn't know he was a convicted killer. There was
- 18:53Speaker 1: no registry they could check. It was only later that
- 18:55Speaker 1: Janet found out from Theodore's own family in Jamaica about
- 18:59Speaker 1: his violent history and the death of his first wife.
- 19:02Speaker 2: And look at what Janet did with that horrifying information.
- 19:05Speaker 2: She did exactly what citizens are told to do by
- 19:07Speaker 2: the state.
- 19:08Speaker 1: She went to the police.
- 19:09Speaker 2: She went straight to the authorities. She told the police,
- 19:12Speaker 2: this man is dangerous. He's killed before. He's terrorizing my sister.
- 19:16Speaker 2: Get involved.
- 19:17Speaker 1: But according to Janet, the authorities took absolutely no notice.
- 19:21Speaker 1: Let's pause on that because it's infuriating. They ignored her.
- 19:24Speaker 2: It's a massive failure of duty of care.
- 19:26Speaker 1: Even though neighbors in London were reporting that he kept
- 19:29Speaker 1: a suffocatingly close eye on Yvonne, they heard loud, violent
- 19:33Speaker 1: arguments echoing through the walls. The police were even called
- 19:36Speaker 1: out to the residence on at least one occasion for
- 19:38Speaker 1: a domestic disturbance.
- 19:39Speaker 2: Theater paper trail. Yes.
- 19:42Speaker 1: Plus, Theodore was weaponizing self-harm. The source notes he would
- 19:46Speaker 1: frequently threaten to harm himself just to keep Yvonne under
- 19:48Speaker 1: his psychological control.
- 19:50Speaker 2: That is a highly documented tactic of a severe domestic abuser. Yes.
- 19:56Speaker 2: It shifts the focus from their abusive behavior to their
- 20:00Speaker 2: supposed fragility. If Yvonne tries to leave, Theodore threatens suicide,
- 20:05Speaker 2: which traps Yvonne in a cycle of guilt and obligation.
- 20:07Speaker 1: It makes the victim feel responsible for the abuser's life.
- 20:10Speaker 2: Exactly. It was incredibly manipulative. But eventually, the control began
- 20:14Speaker 2: to slip. Yvonne and Theodore did separate after he discovered
- 20:18Speaker 2: she was seeing someone else.
- 20:20Speaker 1: Okay.
- 20:20Speaker 2: But Theodore, true to his psychological profile, fundamentally refused to
- 20:25Speaker 2: accept the loss of control. He began relentlessly stalking her.
- 20:29Speaker 1: Just imagine being Yvonne. You are terrified. You've moved cities.
- 20:33Speaker 1: You've broken up with him. And he is still... There.
- 20:37Speaker 2: Constant presence.
- 20:39Speaker 1: She went to the police in Finsbury Park, begging for
- 20:41Speaker 1: help to get him out of their shared home. Janet
- 20:44Speaker 1: even came down to London and stayed for three weeks
- 20:46Speaker 1: to try and physically protect her sister.
- 20:48Speaker 2: Janet was really trying.
- 20:50Speaker 1: But shortly after Janet returned home, well, we reach September 1992.
- 20:55Speaker 1: Theodore is back at the property. He's refusing to leave
- 20:58Speaker 1: her alone. He tries this pathetic, manipulative gesture. He brings
- 21:03Speaker 1: her a box of chocolates to try and win her back.
- 21:06Speaker 2: And this is the flashpoint.
- 21:07Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 21:08Speaker 2: When she refuses the chocolates, when she asserts her independence,
- 21:11Speaker 2: sets a boundary, and denies him the control he craves,
- 21:16Speaker 2: his response is lethal.
- 21:18Speaker 1: Right.
- 21:18Speaker 2: While their two-year-old daughter is sleeping just yards away in
- 21:21Speaker 2: the very same flat, Theodore takes his belt and strangles
- 21:25Speaker 2: Yvonne Bennett to death.
- 21:27Speaker 1: It's horrific. He murders the mother of his child while
- 21:31Speaker 1: the child is in the next room.
- 21:34Speaker 2: And then.
- 21:35Speaker 1: He enacts the next phase of his manipulation.
- 21:38Speaker 2: The playbook continues.
- 21:39Speaker 1: He leaves the flat, leaves his toddler completely alone with
- 21:43Speaker 1: her mother's dead body, goes to a public phone box
- 21:45Speaker 1: and calls the police to confess.
- 21:46Speaker 2: It is cold.
- 21:48Speaker 1: The police rush to the scene, find the distraught child,
- 21:51Speaker 1: and realize Yvonne is gone. And while they launch a
- 21:54Speaker 1: massive manhunt for Theodore, where do they finally find him?
- 21:58Speaker 2: They find him hanging around a parking lot in Barnett.
- 22:01Speaker 2: He had attempted to end his own life, though the
- 22:03Speaker 2: attempt was entirely unsuccessful.
- 22:05Speaker 1: Now, this is a critical moment in the timeline. The
- 22:08Speaker 1: source material notes that some of the seasoned investigators on
- 22:11Speaker 1: the scene believed the suicide attempt wasn't genuine at all. Oh, really? Yeah.
- 22:15Speaker 1: They didn't think it was driven by actual remorse or
- 22:18Speaker 1: guilt over what he had done to Yvonne or his daughter.
- 22:21Speaker 1: They viewed it as another highly calculated, manipulative ploy for sympathy. Right.
- 22:26Speaker 2: Playing the victim again.
- 22:27Speaker 1: Exactly. He was trying to paint himself as the ultimate victim,
- 22:31Speaker 1: just like he did with the prison letters a decade earlier.
- 22:34Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, we see
- 22:36Speaker 2: a distinct evolution in his predatory behavior. When the police
- 22:40Speaker 2: looked into his history and realized he had already killed
- 22:43Speaker 2: a previous partner in 1981, they were stunned.
- 22:46Speaker 1: Right. How could they not be?
- 22:47Speaker 2: But they were also confident. They thought, we have him.
- 22:50Speaker 2: We have a confession. We have a clear documented pattern
- 22:53Speaker 2: of lethal domestic violence. We are going to secure a
- 22:56Speaker 2: murder conviction and lock him away for life.
- 22:59Speaker 1: But Theodore and his legal team pivot. We are now
- 23:03Speaker 1: at the Old Bailey Courthouse in London in March 1993,
- 23:07Speaker 1: and Theodore brings out his new camouflage.
- 23:09Speaker 2: Here we go.
- 23:11Speaker 1: Medical and psychiatric reports are submitted to the court. The
- 23:14Speaker 1: prosecution actually accepts that he suffers from a personality disorder
- 23:18Speaker 1: and severe depression.
- 23:20Speaker 2: Accepted it without a fight. Yep.
- 23:22Speaker 1: And what is their primary piece of evidence for the
- 23:24Speaker 1: supposed clinical depression? The fake suicide attempt in the parking lot.
- 23:29Speaker 2: The very attempt that the initial investigators flagged as manipulative
- 23:33Speaker 2: theater was accepted by the court's psychiatrists as empirical, clinical
- 23:38Speaker 2: evidence of severe mental illness.
- 23:40Speaker 1: That is just wild to me.
- 23:43Speaker 2: To understand how this happened, you have to look at
- 23:45Speaker 2: the legal framework at the time. Under the Homicide Act
- 23:48Speaker 2: of 1957 in the UK, a person could avoid a
- 23:51Speaker 2: murder conviction if they were suffering from an abnormality of
- 23:55Speaker 2: mental functioning, which substantially impaired their ability to form a
- 23:59Speaker 2: rational judgment or exercise self-control.
- 24:02Speaker 1: Wait, so the defense just says he was depressed and
- 24:05Speaker 1: the prosecution says, OK, sounds good. How did the psychiatrist
- 24:09Speaker 1: actually test for that? Because from the outside, it looks
- 24:12Speaker 1: like he just played them like a fiddle.
- 24:15Speaker 2: He absolutely played them. Forensic psychiatry, especially in the early 90s,
- 24:20Speaker 2: relied heavily on patient self-reporting and historical context to build
- 24:23Speaker 2: a diagnostic profile.
- 24:25Speaker 1: So they just asked him how he felt?
- 24:27Speaker 2: Basically. Theodore presented them with a narrative of deep despair.
- 24:31Speaker 2: pointing to his suicide attempt as proof. He likely did
- 24:34Speaker 2: exhibit symptoms of a personality disorder, but the fatal error
- 24:38Speaker 2: the psychiatrist made was assuming that his personality disorder caused
- 24:42Speaker 2: him to lose control.
- 24:44Speaker 1: Instead of what?
- 24:45Speaker 2: Instead of recognizing that his personality disorder made him a calculated,
- 24:49Speaker 2: coercive controller who killed when he lost control. The nuance
- 24:55Speaker 2: was entirely lost. Wow. This allowed Theodore to change his plea.
- 25:00Speaker 2: He didn't plead guilty to murder. For the second time
- 25:03Speaker 2: in his life, he pled guilty to manslaughter. But this time,
- 25:06Speaker 2: instead of the 1980s excuse of provocation, the grounds were
- 25:10Speaker 2: diminished responsibility.
- 25:12Speaker 1: I have to use an analogy here because it's the
- 25:13Speaker 1: only way my brain can process how one man tricks
- 25:16Speaker 1: the justice system twice in two different decades.
- 25:19Speaker 2: Please do.
- 25:20Speaker 1: It is exactly like watching a predator in the wild
- 25:23Speaker 1: who learns precisely which camouflage works best in different environments.
- 25:27Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it.
- 25:29Speaker 1: In the 1980s, the societal and judicial bias heavily leaned
- 25:33Speaker 1: toward the trope of the nagging wife. So he put
- 25:36Speaker 1: on the battered husband disguise and it worked perfectly.
- 25:40Speaker 2: Yes, it did.
- 25:41Speaker 1: By the 1990s, the courts were becoming much more focused
- 25:44Speaker 1: on psychiatric evaluations and mental health interventions. So he flawlessly
- 25:48Speaker 1: slipped into the mentally unwell, deeply depressed patient disguise.
- 25:53Speaker 2: That is precisely what happened. He weaponized society. the evolving
- 25:57Speaker 2: psychiatric protocols of the justice system. Because he was convicted
- 26:01Speaker 2: of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility, he wasn't sent to
- 26:04Speaker 2: a standard maximum security prison like Belmarsh or Strangeways.
- 26:08Speaker 1: Where did he go?
- 26:09Speaker 2: He was given an indefinite hospital order with restrictions under
- 26:13Speaker 2: the Mental Health Act. He was sent to a secure
- 26:15Speaker 2: regional psychiatric unit. A hospital. Yes. But the most chilling
- 26:20Speaker 2: part of that 1993 trial The presiding judge actually went
- 26:24Speaker 2: on the official record during sentencing to describe Theodore Johnson
- 26:27Speaker 2: as not a violent man.
- 26:29Speaker 1: Not a violent man.
- 26:31Speaker 2: Quote unquote.
- 26:32Speaker 1: A man who pushed his first wife off a ninth
- 26:34Speaker 1: floor balcony and strangled a second wife with a belt
- 26:38Speaker 1: while their toddler slept nearby. It's beyond comprehension. It makes
- 26:41Speaker 1: you wonder what the judge's definition of violence even is.
- 26:44Speaker 2: It's completely baffling.
- 26:46Speaker 1: But if you think a secure psychiatric hospital is going
- 26:48Speaker 1: to keep society safe from a man like this, The
- 26:51Speaker 1: next part of this timeline is going to give you
- 26:53Speaker 1: absolute whiplash. Let's look at the sheer astounding blindness of
- 26:58Speaker 1: the mental health system between 1994 and 1997.
- 27:01Speaker 2: The speed of his reintegration into society is deeply alarming,
- 27:05Speaker 2: and it speaks to a fundamental flaw in how the
- 27:08Speaker 2: system assessed risk. He was sentenced in March 1993. Okay.
- 27:12Speaker 2: By September of 1994, just over a year later, He
- 27:17Speaker 2: is already being allowed out of the secure hospital on
- 27:20Speaker 2: escorted community parole.
- 27:22Speaker 1: Just a year. Think about that.
- 27:24Speaker 2: It's nothing.
- 27:24Speaker 1: You are a member of Yvonne Bennett's grieving family. You
- 27:28Speaker 1: are still processing the trauma of her murder. And 12
- 27:31Speaker 1: months later, you spot the man who killed her out
- 27:33Speaker 1: on the street taking a stroll with a hospital staff member.
- 27:36Speaker 2: Which is exactly what happened.
- 27:38Speaker 1: The family... actually saw him.
- 27:40Speaker 2: The film he actually saw him.
- 27:41Speaker 1: Can you imagine the terror and the outrage? The police
- 27:44Speaker 1: detectives who investigated the murder couldn't believe it either. But
- 27:48Speaker 1: it escalates so quickly from there.
- 27:49Speaker 2: It does. By mid-1995, he has successfully convinced the hospital
- 27:53Speaker 2: staff that he poses absolutely no danger to the public.
- 27:56Speaker 1: Unescorted. A twice-convicted killer of women out wandering the city
- 28:00Speaker 1: of London on his own, taking a furniture class.
- 28:03Speaker 2: Yes.
- 28:04Speaker 1: Let's dig into that. Why a furniture class? What is
- 28:07Speaker 1: the logic behind letting a dangerous offender out for something
- 28:09Speaker 1: like that?
- 28:10Speaker 2: It falls under the umbrella of occupational therapy and rehabilitation.
- 28:15Speaker 2: The hospital's goal under the medical model is to eventually
- 28:17Speaker 2: reintegrate the patient into society.
- 28:20Speaker 1: Okay, sure.
- 28:21Speaker 2: They use structured activities like educational courses to monitor how
- 28:24Speaker 2: a patient handles routine, responsibility, and social interaction. If he
- 28:29Speaker 2: attends the class, behaves politely, and returns on time, It
- 28:33Speaker 2: gets logged in his chart as compliant and progressing.
- 28:36Speaker 1: But the staff had no idea what he was actually
- 28:38Speaker 1: doing during those unescorted days. They are checking a box
- 28:42Speaker 1: that says he went to class, but they aren't monitoring
- 28:44Speaker 1: his interpersonal interactions outside the hospital walls.
- 28:47Speaker 2: That's the blind spot.
- 28:49Speaker 1: And spoiler alert, the furniture class in 1996 is exactly
- 28:53Speaker 1: where he meets our victim from the beginning of the story,
- 28:55Speaker 1: Angela Best.
- 28:56Speaker 2: Right. And he applies for a conditional discharge in May
- 29:00Speaker 2: of 1996. which is initially refused by the authorities. But
- 29:04Speaker 2: he is persistent. He keeps pushing. He keeps demonstrating compliance
- 29:09Speaker 2: within the hospital walls.
- 29:11Speaker 1: Playing the game.
- 29:11Speaker 2: And finally, following a mental health tribunal on October 30, 1997,
- 29:17Speaker 2: Theodore Johnson is officially released from the hospital.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Now, what does a mental health tribunal actually look like?
- 29:25Speaker 1: They didn't just open the doors and say, goodbye, good luck.
- 29:28Speaker 1: They put a condition on his release, and this condition
- 29:31Speaker 1: is the linchpin of the entire tragedy.
- 29:34Speaker 2: A mental health tribunal typically consists of a legally qualified chair,
- 29:38Speaker 2: a medical member like a psychiatrist, and a lay member.
- 29:41Speaker 2: Their job is to balance the patient's right to liberty
- 29:44Speaker 2: under human rights laws against the potential risks of the public.
- 29:47Speaker 1: Right.
- 29:48Speaker 2: They reviewed Theodore's file, and they noted that given his
- 29:51Speaker 2: history of domestic homicide, any future relationships with women needed
- 29:55Speaker 2: to be treated with extreme caution.
- 29:57Speaker 1: Extreme caution.
- 29:59Speaker 2: Okay. So their master plan, their fatal condition to keep
- 30:02Speaker 2: the public safe, was to tell Theodore, you must make
- 30:05Speaker 2: your social workers and doctors aware of any new relationships
- 30:08Speaker 2: you enter into.
- 30:09Speaker 1: Wait, I need to stop you there. I understand you're
- 30:11Speaker 1: explaining the medical model and the balancing act of human rights,
- 30:15Speaker 1: but how does a panel of highly educated professionals look
- 30:19Speaker 1: at a man whose entire file consists of killing two women,
- 30:23Speaker 1: lying to prison guards, lying to the police, and faking
- 30:26Speaker 1: a suicide to manipulate a jury and decide that the
- 30:29Speaker 1: absolute best safety protocol is just asking him to politely
- 30:32Speaker 1: report his dating life. It's completely absurd.
- 30:35Speaker 2: It is a catastrophic, systemic failure of risk assessment. The
- 30:40Speaker 2: tribunal failed to recognize that deception was not just a
- 30:43Speaker 2: symptom of his past. It was his primary operational methodology.
- 30:48Speaker 1: That was his entire thing.
- 30:49Speaker 2: They completely mistook his compliance within a highly structured, heavily
- 30:53Speaker 2: monitored hospital environment for genuine psychological and behavioral change. Wow.
- 30:59Speaker 2: By making his freedom contingent on his honesty, they practically
- 31:01Speaker 2: handed him the blueprint for his next crime. They assumed
- 31:05Speaker 2: a therapeutic alliance, that he wanted to be well and
- 31:08Speaker 2: would be transparent.
- 31:10Speaker 1: When in reality... When in reality.
- 31:12Speaker 2: They were dealing with a manipulative predator who viewed them
- 31:15Speaker 2: simply as obstacles to navigate.
- 31:17Speaker 1: Which leads us directly into a deeply unsettling era. Two
- 31:21Speaker 1: decades of uninterrupted deception, stretching from his release in 1997
- 31:26Speaker 1: all the way to 2016. Because when Theodore was sitting
- 31:29Speaker 1: in front of that tribunal in 1997, nodding his head
- 31:32Speaker 1: and promising to tell them if he ever met anyone,
- 31:35Speaker 1: he was already lying through his teeth.
- 31:37Speaker 2: Exactly. He had already been dating Angela Best for an
- 31:40Speaker 2: entire year by the time he was officially released.
- 31:42Speaker 1: A whole year.
- 31:44Speaker 2: And he managed to hide her existence from the authorities,
- 31:46Speaker 2: from the doctors, from the social workers for the next
- 31:49Speaker 2: nearly 20 years.
- 31:51Speaker 1: That's hard to even fathom.
- 31:52Speaker 2: Angela, of course, was completely in the dark. She had
- 31:55Speaker 2: absolutely no idea about his criminal past, his hospital orders,
- 31:59Speaker 2: or the horrific murders of Vaughn and Yvonne Bennett.
- 32:02Speaker 1: So if you're listening to this, you're probably asking the
- 32:06Speaker 1: same question I am. How do you hide a romantic
- 32:09Speaker 1: partner from the government for two decades?
- 32:12Speaker 2: Right.
- 32:13Speaker 1: The mechanics of his deception are infuriating because the system
- 32:17Speaker 1: made it so incredibly easy for him. The authorities, meaning
- 32:21Speaker 1: his assigned social workers and doctors from the NHS Trust,
- 32:25Speaker 1: were required to visit his home to compile a continuous
- 32:28Speaker 1: assessment report. They did this every three months.
- 32:31Speaker 2: But the critical, fatal flaw in this monitoring system was
- 32:34Speaker 2: the scheduling protocol. Apart from just two occasions over those
- 32:38Speaker 2: 20 entire years, Theodore was always given prior notice that
- 32:42Speaker 2: the authorities would be coming over for their visit.
- 32:45Speaker 1: It's like a building inspector calling ahead to tell you
- 32:47Speaker 1: exactly what day and time they'll be dropping by to
- 32:50Speaker 1: look for fire hazards. It gives you plenty of time
- 32:52Speaker 1: to hide the matches and the gasoline.
- 32:54Speaker 2: Exactly.
- 32:55Speaker 1: Theodore knew exactly when the social workers were arriving, so
- 32:59Speaker 1: he would just make sure Angela was out of the flat.
- 33:01Speaker 1: He would meticulously hide all of her personal belongings, her clothes,
- 33:05Speaker 1: her toiletries, her photos, making the flat look perfectly staged
- 33:09Speaker 1: to appear as though he lived completely alone.
- 33:12Speaker 2: And you might think, well, why didn't the social workers
- 33:14Speaker 2: just look around, open a drawer, look in the closet.
- 33:17Speaker 1: Right, like just open one door.
- 33:19Speaker 2: If they had just opened one wardrobe, the illusion would
- 33:22Speaker 2: have shattered instantly, but they couldn't. The source material highlights
- 33:26Speaker 2: a massive bureaucratic blind spot that Theodore exploited perfectly. The
- 33:31Speaker 2: flat was never searched due to patient confidentiality rules.
- 33:34Speaker 1: Patient confidentiality. Let's dig into that. So the very rules
- 33:38Speaker 1: designed to protect the privacy and dignity of Everyday people
- 33:42Speaker 1: seeking health care were used as an impenetrable shield by
- 33:46Speaker 1: a serial killer to hide his victim.
- 33:48Speaker 2: Yes.
- 33:49Speaker 1: How does that legally work? Why couldn't they search?
- 33:51Speaker 2: It comes down to the strict separation between criminal parole
- 33:54Speaker 2: conditions and medical discharge conditions in the U.K. system at
- 33:58Speaker 2: the time.
- 33:59Speaker 1: Okay. So treating him as a patient, not a criminal.
- 34:02Speaker 2: Exactly. If Theodore had been released from a standard prison
- 34:05Speaker 2: on parole, his parole officer would have the right to
- 34:07Speaker 2: conduct random searches of his residence to ensure compliance with
- 34:11Speaker 2: the law. But Theodore was discharged under a medical order. Ah.
- 34:17Speaker 2: The social workers visiting him are bound by medical confidentiality guidelines,
- 34:20Speaker 2: similar to Caldecott principles in the NHS, which mandate respecting
- 34:25Speaker 2: the patient's privacy and dignity. They are there to assess
- 34:28Speaker 2: his mental state, not to toss his flat looking for contraband. Wow.
- 34:32Speaker 2: Searching his home without a warrant or explicit cause would
- 34:36Speaker 2: breach their professional code of conduct and potentially violate his rights.
- 34:40Speaker 1: So routine scheduled check-ins and a strict blind adherence to
- 34:44Speaker 1: privacy policies ultimately protected the abuser rather than the public.
- 34:49Speaker 2: That's exactly right.
- 34:50Speaker 1: The system was more concerned with strictly following its own
- 34:52Speaker 1: internal rules than with critically evaluating the reality of the
- 34:56Speaker 1: situation in front of them. They saw exactly what Theodore
- 34:59Speaker 1: wanted them to see. A quiet, compliant, single, older man.
- 35:04Speaker 2: Precisely. It is a textbook example of confirmation bias within
- 35:08Speaker 2: a bureaucracy. The file said he was doing well. So
- 35:10Speaker 2: every visit was just an exercise in confirming the file.
- 35:13Speaker 1: Just checking boxes.
- 35:15Speaker 2: And he kept this up right until the very end.
- 35:17Speaker 2: His last appointment with a social worker and a psychiatrist
- 35:20Speaker 2: was on December 8, 2016. That is literally just days
- 35:24Speaker 2: before he murdered Angela Best.
- 35:26Speaker 1: Days before.
- 35:28Speaker 2: At that appointment, he sat there, looked these highly trained
- 35:30Speaker 2: professionals in the eye, and maintained he was single. They
- 35:34Speaker 2: noted in their official file that he showed no signs
- 35:36Speaker 2: of depression or behavioral deterioration.
- 35:39Speaker 1: Incredible.
- 35:40Speaker 2: There was actually supposed to be another meeting just two
- 35:42Speaker 2: days before the murder, but the social worker happened to
- 35:45Speaker 2: be ill, so it was canceled and rescheduled.
- 35:47Speaker 1: He successfully gamed a multi-agency monitoring system for 20 years.
- 35:53Speaker 1: But the collapse of this massive decades-long lie didn't come
- 35:57Speaker 1: from a brilliant psychological insight by a doctor. It didn't
- 36:00Speaker 1: come from a surprise inspection by the police. The deception
- 36:04Speaker 1: collapsed from the inside.
- 36:06Speaker 2: Yes, it did.
- 36:07Speaker 1: It brings us to the confession letter and the final trap.
- 36:10Speaker 1: We are now in September 2016. Theodore and Angela have
- 36:14Speaker 1: been together for almost 20 years. And Angela makes a
- 36:17Speaker 1: chance discovery at their shared home.
- 36:20Speaker 2: A terrible discovery.
- 36:21Speaker 1: She finds a letter written by Theodore. And the contents
- 36:25Speaker 1: of this letter are absolutely staggering. In this letter, he
- 36:28Speaker 1: had written out a full confession detailing how he had
- 36:33Speaker 1: killed a previous partner.
- 36:35Speaker 2: It's hard to believe he would write that down.
- 36:37Speaker 1: Now, the source doesn't explicitly state why he wrote this down.
- 36:41Speaker 1: But what's your psychological read on this? Why would a
- 36:44Speaker 1: man who spent 20 years flawlessly hiding his past suddenly
- 36:47Speaker 1: write it down on a piece of paper and leave
- 36:50Speaker 1: it where his partner could find it?
- 36:52Speaker 2: There are a few psychological possibilities here. Sometimes individuals with
- 36:56Speaker 2: deep-seated psychopathy or narcissistic traits feel an overwhelming compulsion to
- 37:01Speaker 2: brag about their crimes, even if just to themselves on paper.
- 37:05Speaker 1: Like a trophy.
- 37:06Speaker 2: Kind of. It's a manifestation of their perceived superiority over
- 37:10Speaker 2: the system they've outsmarted. Alternatively, it could have been a
- 37:14Speaker 2: careless mistake, born of arrogance. After 20 years of getting
- 37:18Speaker 2: away with it, he simply became sloppy, believing he was untouchable.
- 37:23Speaker 1: Right.
- 37:24Speaker 2: Or, in a darker sense, it could have been a
- 37:27Speaker 2: subconscious test. A way to introduce the terror of his
- 37:30Speaker 2: past into the relationship to see if he could still
- 37:33Speaker 2: maintain control over Angela, even if she knew.
- 37:36Speaker 1: Whatever the reason he wrote it. For Angela, reading this
- 37:39Speaker 1: must have been world shattering. Think about it from her perspective.
- 37:43Speaker 1: This is a man she has shared her life with,
- 37:45Speaker 1: her bed with, for two decades. She thought she knew
- 37:48Speaker 1: everything about him.
- 37:49Speaker 2: And she knew nothing.
- 37:51Speaker 1: She is stunned. But you have to admire her incredible bravery.
- 37:56Speaker 1: She takes the letter and she confronts him directly. She
- 37:59Speaker 1: demands to know what is going on. And he admits it.
- 38:02Speaker 2: He just confesses.
- 38:04Speaker 1: He tells her the letter is true. and then he
- 38:06Speaker 1: drops the rest of the nightmare on her. It wasn't
- 38:09Speaker 1: just one previous partner he killed. There were two.
- 38:13Speaker 2: Faced with this horrifying reality, Angela does exactly what you
- 38:16Speaker 2: would hope anyone would do. She ends the relationship immediately.
- 38:20Speaker 2: She removes herself from the immediate romantic entanglement.
- 38:23Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
- 38:24Speaker 2: But remember how her family described her at the beginning
- 38:27Speaker 2: of our deep dive? Gentle, generous, the kind of person
- 38:30Speaker 2: who helps anyone in need.
- 38:32Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 38:33Speaker 2: Because of her deeply ingrained kindness... And her empathetic nature,
- 38:37Speaker 2: even after ending a 20-year relationship with a confessed killer,
- 38:41Speaker 2: she doesn't cut him off entirely. She agrees to still
- 38:44Speaker 2: help him if he genuinely needs it in the future.
- 38:47Speaker 2: Perhaps viewing him now as a frail, damaged old man
- 38:50Speaker 2: who still needs occasional support.
- 38:52Speaker 1: She moves on with her life. And the true tragedy is,
- 38:55Speaker 1: she was thriving. People described her during this period in
- 38:58Speaker 1: late 2016 as being the happiest she had been in
- 39:01Speaker 1: a long, long time.
- 39:03Speaker 2: Which is wonderful.
- 39:04Speaker 1: She had even started a new relationship and was looking
- 39:06Speaker 1: forward to the future. But Theodore Johnson cannot handle a
- 39:10Speaker 1: woman asserting her independence.
- 39:12Speaker 2: No, he cannot. What's fascinating here, in a deeply dark
- 39:15Speaker 2: analytical sense, is the recurring psychological trigger. Theodore's pattern of
- 39:21Speaker 2: lethal violence is inextricably, undeniably tied to a loss of
- 39:25Speaker 2: control over his partners.
- 39:27Speaker 1: Every single time.
- 39:28Speaker 2: When Yvonne wanted to go to church against his wishes
- 39:31Speaker 2: in 1981, asserting a tiny bit of autonomy, he killed her.
- 39:36Speaker 2: When Yvonne Bennett started seeing someone else in 1992 and
- 39:39Speaker 2: refused his chocolates, rejecting his control, he killed her. And now,
- 39:45Speaker 2: in 2016, Angela has left him. discovered his secrets, and
- 39:49Speaker 2: found happiness elsewhere. He begins exhibiting those exact same possessive,
- 39:53Speaker 2: controlling behaviors we saw in the 80s and 90s. He
- 39:57Speaker 2: is constantly calling her, constantly telling her he loves her,
- 40:00Speaker 2: completely refusing to take no for an answer.
- 40:03Speaker 1: And he realizes he can't win her back with romance
- 40:05Speaker 1: or intimidation this time because she knows the truth. So
- 40:07Speaker 1: what does he do? He weaponizes her best trait. He
- 40:11Speaker 1: sets a trap.
- 40:12Speaker 2: He does.
- 40:13Speaker 1: On December 14th, 2016, he contacts Angela... and asks for
- 40:17Speaker 1: her help. He claims he desperately needs her assistance to
- 40:21Speaker 1: fill out a Jamaican passport application at the embassy the
- 40:24Speaker 1: very next morning.
- 40:25Speaker 2: It is a coldly calculated manipulation of her empathy. He
- 40:29Speaker 2: knew her psychological profile perfectly. He knew she wouldn't come
- 40:33Speaker 2: over for a romantic plea, and she wouldn't come over
- 40:35Speaker 2: to argue.
- 40:36Speaker 1: Right.
- 40:37Speaker 2: But she would come over to assist him with a
- 40:39Speaker 2: complicated administrative task, because that was her fundamental nature. She
- 40:43Speaker 2: was a helper.
- 40:44Speaker 1: Isn't it just completely heartbreaking? Her ultimate vulnerability was her kindness.
- 40:49Speaker 1: She tried to do the right, compassionate thing by supporting
- 40:52Speaker 1: an elderly man she had spent 20 years with, even
- 40:55Speaker 1: after leaving him and learning about his horrific past. And
- 40:59Speaker 1: he used that exact compassion to lure her to her death.
- 41:03Speaker 2: It really is tragic. On the morning of December 15th,
- 41:07Speaker 2: Angela tells her daughter her plans for the day and
- 41:09Speaker 2: arrives at Theodore's property in Islington at around 9.20 a.m. Okay.
- 41:14Speaker 2: But there was no passport application. There was no embassy
- 41:17Speaker 2: appointment scheduled. The entire premise was a total fabrication designed
- 41:22Speaker 2: solely to get her alone behind the closed doors of
- 41:25Speaker 2: his flat.
- 41:26Speaker 1: As the morning drags on, Angela's son tries to text
- 41:29Speaker 1: and call her to check in, but he gets no response.
- 41:32Speaker 1: Because inside that flat, Theodore Johnson had launched a brutal,
- 41:36Speaker 1: merciless attack. He strangled her with a dressing gown belt.
- 41:40Speaker 1: horrifyingly mirroring the exact way he killed Yvonne Bennett 24
- 41:44Speaker 1: years earlier.
- 41:45Speaker 2: Repeating his crimes.
- 41:46Speaker 1: And he beat her with a hammer, striking her in
- 41:49Speaker 1: the head six times as she desperately tried to defend herself.
- 41:54Speaker 2: It was an onslaught of intimate, explosive, deeply personal violence.
- 42:01Speaker 2: The use of a belt and a hammer, these are
- 42:03Speaker 2: weapons of rage and physical domination.
- 42:06Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 42:07Speaker 2: And it is only after he ensures Angela is dead
- 42:10Speaker 2: leaving her body on the living room floor, that he
- 42:12Speaker 2: leaves the flat, travels across the city to the Chesson
- 42:15Speaker 2: Railway Station, and throws himself in front of the express
- 42:19Speaker 2: train at 3.18 p.m.
- 42:20Speaker 1: Bringing us right back to the horrific scene the police
- 42:23Speaker 1: walked into at the very beginning of this deep dive.
- 42:26Speaker 1: But the story doesn't end in that living room. The
- 42:29Speaker 1: fallout from this crime forced a massive public reckoning within
- 42:33Speaker 1: the British legal and medical systems.
- 42:35Speaker 2: It had to.
- 42:36Speaker 1: We have to look at the final trial and the
- 42:37Speaker 1: devastation left behind because it is staggering.
- 42:41Speaker 2: So Theodore spent weeks in a hospital intensive care unit
- 42:44Speaker 2: recovering from the massive trauma of the train impact. His
- 42:47Speaker 2: injuries were severe, the amputation of his arm and hand,
- 42:50Speaker 2: but he survived.
- 42:52Speaker 1: Right.
- 42:52Speaker 2: At the end of January 2017, he was formally charged
- 42:55Speaker 2: with murder, a charge he initially denied.
- 42:58Speaker 1: And if you can believe the sheer audacity of this man,
- 43:02Speaker 1: as the trial at the Old Bailey approached later that year,
- 43:05Speaker 1: He actually tried to run his old playbook. He instructed
- 43:08Speaker 1: his lawyers to try and plead guilty to manslaughter for
- 43:11Speaker 1: a third time.
- 43:12Speaker 2: A third time?
- 43:13Speaker 1: He thought it worked in the 80s, it worked in
- 43:15Speaker 1: the 90s. Why wouldn't it work now?
- 43:16Speaker 2: He genuinely believed the system would fold for him again.
- 43:19Speaker 2: His narcissism convinced him that his camouflage was infallible. But
- 43:25Speaker 2: this time, the context was entirely different.
- 43:27Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
- 43:28Speaker 2: The prosecution was armed with an irrefutable mountain of evidence.
- 43:32Speaker 2: They had the confession letter Angela found. They had evidence
- 43:35Speaker 2: of the staged embassy appointment, proving premeditation. They had the sheer,
- 43:41Speaker 2: undeniable brutality of the attack.
- 43:43Speaker 1: They had him cornered.
- 43:45Speaker 2: Yes. On the very first day of the trial, presented
- 43:48Speaker 2: with this wall of evidence, his camouflage finally failed. He
- 43:52Speaker 2: realized there was no loophole left to exploit. He changed
- 43:56Speaker 2: his plea and pleaded guilty to the murder of Angela Best.
- 44:00Speaker 1: The prosecutor, Mark Haywood... He summed him up perfectly in court.
- 44:04Speaker 1: I mean, this it's a quote that that just cuts
- 44:07Speaker 1: right through all the decades of psychiatric jargon. He said,
- 44:12Speaker 1: this is a man who is controlling and violent to
- 44:14Speaker 1: the women in his life and who, when crossed, will kill.
- 44:18Speaker 2: A perfect summary.
- 44:20Speaker 1: And, you know, the defense lawyer, his attempt to kind
- 44:22Speaker 1: of garner criticism. Sympathy or something during sentencing just rings
- 44:28Speaker 1: so hollow. His lawyer stood up and tried to say
- 44:31Speaker 1: Theodore hated himself, that he didn't wish to be alive.
- 44:34Speaker 1: And he even tried to blame the 1997 Mental Health Tribunal.
- 44:39Speaker 1: The defense actually argued that the release decision 20 years
- 44:41Speaker 1: ago was flawed because it relied on Theodore being honest.
- 44:46Speaker 2: It is a profound, almost grotesque irony. The defense effectively
- 44:50Speaker 2: argued that the system was at fault for trusting their client.
- 44:54Speaker 2: Because their client was, by his very nature, an inherent liar.
- 44:58Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
- 45:00Speaker 2: They tried to use the system's incompetence as a mitigating
- 45:03Speaker 2: factor for his brutality. But the judge presiding over this trial,
- 45:07Speaker 2: Judge Richard Mark, was not swayed by any attempts at
- 45:10Speaker 2: mitigation or psychiatric excuses. He looked at the facts. He
- 45:14Speaker 2: called the attack on Angela sustained, vicious, and utterly brutal.
- 45:19Speaker 1: Theodore was sentenced to life in prison with a minimum
- 45:22Speaker 1: term of 26 years before he could even be considered
- 45:25Speaker 1: for parole. The judge specifically pointed out during sentencing that
- 45:29Speaker 1: Theodore's 20 years of repeated, calculated lies to doctors and
- 45:34Speaker 1: social workers actively prevented the authorities from warning Angela about
- 45:38Speaker 1: his past. But even with that strong condemnation, 26 years
- 45:42Speaker 1: didn't sit right with the public or with the appellate courts.
- 45:45Speaker 2: No, it didn't. In the UK, there is a mechanism
- 45:48Speaker 2: for reviewing sentences that are deemed too lenient. When Theodore's
- 45:52Speaker 2: case went to the Court of Appeal, the senior justices
- 45:55Speaker 2: reviewed the entire scope of his three decades of violence.
- 45:59Speaker 1: And what did they decide?
- 46:00Speaker 2: They actually ruled that the 26-year minimum sentence was unduly lenient,
- 46:04Speaker 2: given that this was his third conviction for killing a
- 46:07Speaker 2: female partner. They increased his minimum term to 30 years. Wow.
- 46:11Speaker 1: Okay.
- 46:12Speaker 2: Given his advanced age and his severe physical disabilities from
- 46:15Speaker 2: the train incident, This means Theodore Johnson will be in
- 46:18Speaker 2: his 90s before he's even eligible to apply for parole.
- 46:22Speaker 2: For all intents and purposes, he will die in prison.
- 46:24Speaker 1: But locking him away doesn't fix the systems that enabled him.
- 46:28Speaker 1: You can put the monster in a cage. But what
- 46:30Speaker 1: about the people who kept leaving the door open? Right.
- 46:33Speaker 2: The accountability.
- 46:34Speaker 1: The Camden and Islington NHS Trust, which had been in
- 46:38Speaker 1: charge of his care in the community since 2004... promised
- 46:41Speaker 1: to issue a full independent report to Angela's family to
- 46:44Speaker 1: explain how they missed this for 20 years. But the
- 46:47Speaker 1: most damning official finding came from the coroner's inquest.
- 46:51Speaker 2: The coroner's inquest was unflinching in its assessment. They made
- 46:54Speaker 2: it incredibly explicit. They officially ruled that Angela Best could
- 46:58Speaker 2: have lived if the health and social workers had known
- 47:01Speaker 2: about the relationship.
- 47:03Speaker 1: She could have lived.
- 47:04Speaker 2: Yes. The established protocol was completely clear. Had they known
- 47:08Speaker 2: he was dating someone, they would have intervened. They would
- 47:11Speaker 2: have held a multi-agency risk assessment conference, and they would
- 47:15Speaker 2: have warned Angela about his past, giving her the information
- 47:17Speaker 2: she needed to protect herself, just as they should have
- 47:20Speaker 2: done for his previous partners.
- 47:22Speaker 1: But they didn't know.
- 47:23Speaker 2: The system had the exact tools required to save her,
- 47:26Speaker 2: but those tools were rendered useless because they were blinded
- 47:30Speaker 2: by a reliance on the abuser's self-reporting.
- 47:33Speaker 1: And the anger wasn't just coming from the courts or
- 47:35Speaker 1: the coroner. A former health care assistant who had actually
- 47:38Speaker 1: worked directly with Theodore gave an interview, and she flat
- 47:41Speaker 1: out said she had predicted he would kill again.
- 47:44Speaker 2: She knew.
- 47:45Speaker 1: She said, I don't think he should have been let
- 47:47Speaker 1: out at all. He played the system. She knew. The
- 47:50Speaker 1: people on the ground, the ones interacting with him daily,
- 47:53Speaker 1: knew he was just masking his temper and manipulating the doctors.
- 47:57Speaker 1: But the bureaucracy above them checked the boxes on their
- 48:00Speaker 1: clipboards and let him walk out the door.
- 48:02Speaker 2: This raises an important question, perhaps the most vital question
- 48:05Speaker 2: of this entire analysis. How do we measure the success
- 48:09Speaker 2: of rehabilitation? Right. If a legal or medical system equates
- 48:13Speaker 2: quiet compliance in a highly controlled artificial environment with fundamental
- 48:19Speaker 2: psychological change, it leaves the public incredibly vulnerable.
- 48:22Speaker 1: It's just a facade.
- 48:24Speaker 2: We have to scrutinize the massive gap between clinical theory,
- 48:28Speaker 2: what a textbook says about a patient's progress, and behavioral reality.
- 48:33Speaker 2: what a psychopathic individual is actually capable of when the
- 48:36Speaker 2: restrictions are lifted.
- 48:38Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us? Look at
- 48:41Speaker 1: the devastation left in his wake. Three women are dead
- 48:45Speaker 1: over three decades. Yvonne, Yvonne Bennett, and Angela Best.
- 48:50Speaker 2: Three lives stolen.
- 48:51Speaker 1: Three women who had hopes, dreams, careers, and families who
- 48:56Speaker 1: absolutely adored them. You read the quotes from The Families
- 48:59Speaker 1: Left Behind, and the grief is just suffocating. Angela's sister, Valerie,
- 49:04Speaker 1: gave a statement saying their everyday lives have been affected
- 49:07Speaker 1: in every way imaginable, that they are completely destroyed and
- 49:11Speaker 1: broken by this loss.
- 49:13Speaker 2: And you hear from Angela's sons, Rafael and Fabian, who
- 49:16Speaker 2: expressed a profound life-altering despair. Fabian stated simply and devastatingly
- 49:23Speaker 2: that he now hated life. The anchor of their family
- 49:26Speaker 2: was violently ripped away.
- 49:28Speaker 1: It's unbearable.
- 49:29Speaker 2: And the trauma transcends just the current victim's family. Yadon
- 49:33Speaker 2: Bennett's sister, Janet, the woman who literally tried to warn
- 49:37Speaker 2: the police decades ago in the 90s, said the findings
- 49:40Speaker 2: of the inquest astounded her.
- 49:42Speaker 1: Oh, I bet she was furious.
- 49:45Speaker 2: She explicitly stated that nothing was done to protect her
- 49:47Speaker 2: sister back then, and that if Theodore had spent the proper,
- 49:51Speaker 2: justified amount of time in jail for his first murder
- 49:54Speaker 2: in 1981, Angela Best would still be alive today. The
- 49:58Speaker 2: failure cascades through generations.
- 50:01Speaker 1: It's a generational trauma caused by one man, yes, but
- 50:04Speaker 1: enabled by a system that continually... bafflingly gave him the
- 50:08Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt over the safety of women. Think
- 50:11Speaker 1: about the image of him in court during that final trial.
- 50:14Speaker 2: The wheelchair.
- 50:15Speaker 1: Right. He had to be wheeled out in a wheelchair.
- 50:17Speaker 1: He was missing an arm and a hand. A frail,
- 50:19Speaker 1: older man. He finally faced actual permanent consequences, but only
- 50:25Speaker 1: after he had spent an entire lifetime completely destroying multiple
- 50:29Speaker 1: families and outsmarting every safeguard meant to stop him.
- 50:33Speaker 2: It is a stark visual reminder that physical frailty, does
- 50:37Speaker 2: not equate to psychological safety. The system looked at an
- 50:41Speaker 2: aging man in a flat and assumed the danger had
- 50:44Speaker 2: naturally passed with time, failing to realize that the mechanics
- 50:48Speaker 2: of coercive control, possessiveness, and a sense of lethal entitlement
- 50:53Speaker 2: over women do not necessarily diminish with age.
- 50:57Speaker 1: As we bring this deep dive to a close, The
- 51:00Speaker 1: key takeaway you need to hold onto is that Theodore
- 51:03Speaker 1: Johnson's story isn't just a dark profile of a serial killer.
- 51:06Speaker 1: We aren't just here to marvel at a true crime timeline.
- 51:09Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
- 51:10Speaker 1: This is a glaring, blaring indictment of systemic loopholes. It
- 51:15Speaker 1: is a story about the fatal naivety embedded in the
- 51:18Speaker 1: justice and mental health systems and the catastrophic, irreversible consequences
- 51:23Speaker 1: of prioritizing bureaucratic protocol and patient privacy against over the
- 51:27Speaker 1: undeniable physical safety of human beings.
- 51:30Speaker 2: And you might be thinking to yourself, why should you,
- 51:33Speaker 2: the listener, care about the intricacies of this decades-old bureaucracy?
- 51:38Speaker 2: Why does the phrasing of the 1957 Homicide Act or
- 51:41Speaker 2: the visitation schedule of a 1990 social worker matter to
- 51:44Speaker 2: you today?
- 51:45Speaker 1: Why does it matter?
- 51:47Speaker 2: Because the system's designed to protect society right now. The police,
- 51:52Speaker 2: the courts, the medical boards— They are still only as
- 51:55Speaker 2: robust as the critical thinking of the human beings enforcing
- 51:58Speaker 2: those rules. Exactly. Trusting a proven killer on an honor system,
- 52:03Speaker 2: assuming a therapeutic alliance with someone who has demonstrated lethal deception,
- 52:08Speaker 2: is a failure of logic that fundamentally compromises the safety
- 52:11Speaker 2: of the community at large. We rely on these systems
- 52:14Speaker 2: to be the barrier between us and the Theodore Johnsons
- 52:17Speaker 2: of the world.
- 52:19Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought to
- 52:20Speaker 1: mull over as you go about your day. Think about
- 52:23Speaker 1: the safeguards in your own community, the rules and regulations
- 52:27Speaker 1: you trust to keep you safe. When a legal or
- 52:30Speaker 1: medical system's ultimate safety net relies entirely on the honesty
- 52:34Speaker 1: of someone who has already proven they are highly capable
- 52:36Speaker 1: of murder and deception.
- 52:39Speaker 2: Are we actually practicing rehabilitation? Or are we simply setting
- 52:43Speaker 2: a timer for the next tragedy?
- 52:45Speaker 1: Exactly. Theodore Johnson proved that the most dangerous threats in
- 52:48Speaker 1: our society don't always look like monsters in the dark. Sometimes...
- 52:52Speaker 1: They hide in the polite smiles at scheduled check-ins. They
- 52:56Speaker 1: hide behind well-meaning privacy rules. And they hide in plain sight,
- 53:00Speaker 1: just waiting for the system to look the other way.