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- 0:00Speaker 1: I actually actually yeah right, because like the glory and
- 0:03Speaker 1: like if you're gonna time trouble style Doc Brown, that's
- 0:07Speaker 1: such a good point. Hello, and welcome to maybe be
- 0:18Speaker 1: with you with Nick and Joe. I'm Joe and I'm Nick.
- 0:23Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone. Today is the conclusion of our time
- 0:26Speaker 2: travel draft. About two years ago, Joe and I set
- 0:31Speaker 2: out on this journey. We each drafted multiple time travel
- 0:34Speaker 2: movies and multitude of categories.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Uh.
- 0:38Speaker 2: And today we are talking about the final film, Safety
- 0:42Speaker 2: Not Guaranteed, which was drafted in the pick the unpicked category.
- 0:46Speaker 2: This is Joe's.
- 0:47Speaker 1: This was a bit of a This was a bit
- 0:49Speaker 1: of a bonus category of like if you could after
- 0:51Speaker 1: we concluded our time travel draft, if you could jump
- 0:54Speaker 1: back in time and grab another movie, what would it be?
- 0:57Speaker 2: Uh?
- 0:57Speaker 1: And this was my Safety Not Guarantee. This was a
- 1:03Speaker 1: romantic comedy that was introduced to me by a friend
- 1:05Speaker 1: a long time ago who this Wren loves rom coms.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Not not always my speed, but like this one did
- 1:13Speaker 1: rub me the right way when I first watched it.
- 1:16Speaker 1: It's a is a Colin Trevor film stars. I'll be
- 1:20Speaker 1: Aubrey Plaza. My goodness, Aubrey Plaza, Mark Duplas, who I've
- 1:26Speaker 1: only known from the League. I've never really seen Mark
- 1:29Speaker 1: and anything else. It was a very different character from
- 1:32Speaker 1: what he plays in the League. And then Jake Johnson, who, man,
- 1:37Speaker 1: this is probably his scummiest movie.
- 1:41Speaker 2: Yeah, good old Jake Johnson. A little bit of Nick
- 1:43Speaker 2: Miller New Girl vibes in it, of course, a little bit,
- 1:47Speaker 2: you know. I feel like he has that vibe a
- 1:50Speaker 2: little bit in anything he does, which is, you know, awesome,
- 1:53Speaker 2: because I think we love him for that, but really
- 1:55Speaker 2: fun cast I think overall. Yeah, first of all, I think,
- 2:05Speaker 2: is it your turn to do a summary before we
- 2:08Speaker 2: really get going?
- 2:09Speaker 1: I was dreading this because, like, I'm not sure. I
- 2:12Speaker 1: think it might be. I think it's my turn to
- 2:14Speaker 1: do the fifteen second summary. So hell, you know what,
- 2:18Speaker 1: since we're unsure, let's just let's just do it. I
- 2:20Speaker 1: don't mind doing two in a row. Did I do
- 2:22Speaker 1: well last time? I don't remember. I'm gonna assume I
- 2:24Speaker 1: aced it. I don't think I did. I think it
- 2:25Speaker 1: was actually my worst one last time, which means we
- 2:29Speaker 1: can only go up.
- 2:32Speaker 2: Love it all right, well without further ado. I mean, Joe,
- 2:36Speaker 2: this movie's only an hour and a half long. So
- 2:38Speaker 2: if you can't do a fifteen second summary on a
- 2:40Speaker 2: movie that you picked your hopeless case. So I have
- 2:45Speaker 2: full confidence that you were going to do poorly on
- 2:49Speaker 2: this fifteen seconds. Okay, three two one go post.
- 2:55Speaker 1: Grab woman who is nostalgic for the past meets a
- 3:00Speaker 1: man who insists that he's building a time travel machine.
- 3:03Speaker 1: She goes undercover to try and do news about him
- 3:07Speaker 1: and falls in love with him, and eventually at the
- 3:09Speaker 1: end they.
- 3:09Speaker 2: Try, well there, you took your time.
- 3:18Speaker 1: There, nailed it, smooth sailing in the end.
- 3:23Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, I'm gonna give you a B.
- 3:24Speaker 2: I think it was decent. Mostly miss what's the fact
- 3:30Speaker 2: it's not actually a time travel movie despite it being marketed.
- 3:33Speaker 1: But it most certainly is a time travel movie. And
- 3:37Speaker 1: I will absolutely argue that, I will absolutely argue.
- 3:39Speaker 2: That we'll see about that. This is this is the
- 3:43Speaker 2: least time travel movie we've talked about except a disagree.
- 3:47Speaker 2: I would m hm, except for maybe and the funny
- 3:52Speaker 2: part is my my choice. Also in the same category, Tomorrowland,
- 3:56Speaker 2: Tomorrowland maybe probably not actually a time travel film. This
- 4:00Speaker 2: one definitely not a time travel film, but we'll get
- 4:02Speaker 2: to it.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Okay, I would love to hear your argument on that,
- 4:05Speaker 1: but okay, let's simple argument. Let's talk about the film. So, Nick,
- 4:12Speaker 1: this is my second time watching Safety Not Guaranteed. As
- 4:16Speaker 1: I had mentioned before, a friend introduced this to me.
- 4:18Speaker 1: This is your first time so I'd love to hear
- 4:21Speaker 1: your experience watching this movie. It sounds like it was
- 4:23Speaker 1: a bit not not necessarily a good time for you.
- 4:27Speaker 2: No. I I enjoyed the film. I think it's a
- 4:30Speaker 2: fun rom com. It's not a rom com, but I
- 4:33Speaker 2: probably would watch it again. I think I'm kind of
- 4:37Speaker 2: like you, Like I'm not a huge rom com movie fan.
- 4:40Speaker 2: There are a handful that are so good that I
- 4:42Speaker 2: will rewatch and they're and they're fun every now and then.
- 4:44Speaker 2: This is not one.
- 4:45Speaker 1: I know. I need to know what's the what's the
- 4:48Speaker 1: best rom com for you?
- 4:50Speaker 2: Crazy Stupid Love? Probably?
- 4:51Speaker 1: Yeah? Cool? All right, I'm right there with you. It's
- 4:54Speaker 1: crazy Stupid Love hilarious.
- 4:55Speaker 2: It actually probably should have a different name, because, like,
- 4:58Speaker 2: I think that that come specifically as four guys, you know, like,
- 5:03Speaker 2: it's a fun guy rom com and when you hear
- 5:05Speaker 2: the title, it makes you not want to watch it.
- 5:07Speaker 1: So well, yeah, because it has a very live, laugh
- 5:10Speaker 1: love vibe to it, right.
- 5:12Speaker 2: Right, But that's probably like the top for me, right
- 5:14Speaker 2: of a romcom. But and this one was good. It
- 5:16Speaker 2: was fun. I really did enjoy it. Again. You know,
- 5:20Speaker 2: I probably wouldn't watch it the second time, but you know,
- 5:24Speaker 2: I think I was fifty sixty minutes into the movie.
- 5:29Speaker 2: The movie's only an hour and a half, which this
- 5:31Speaker 2: is a plus for the film. They don't make hour
- 5:34Speaker 2: and a half rom coms like, or even movies in general.
- 5:38Speaker 1: It's rare. Yeah, it's gonna say it's rare to get
- 5:39Speaker 1: an hour and a half movie.
- 5:41Speaker 2: It's awesome because if you're looking for like an you
- 5:43Speaker 2: want to watch a movie and you don't want to
- 5:44Speaker 2: watch a TV show, and you have an hour and
- 5:46Speaker 2: a half, like this is a great option to put
- 5:49Speaker 2: on because it is enjoyable and it really it means
- 5:52Speaker 2: it's it's short, which is great. But like you know,
- 5:55Speaker 2: sixty minutes into the film, I'm like, I thought this
- 5:57Speaker 2: was a time travel movie. They've only talked about time travel.
- 6:00Speaker 2: I haven't even seen a time travel device. Like, I
- 6:03Speaker 2: don't think they're actually gonna time travel at all in
- 6:05Speaker 2: this film. I don't think we're gonna have it happen
- 6:06Speaker 2: at all. And you know what, I don't think I'm
- 6:09Speaker 2: wrong about that, Joe. There's a thing at the very
- 6:13Speaker 2: end where they just disappear. But I don't know, Like,
- 6:17Speaker 2: how do we know they didn't like die? Time travel?
- 6:22Speaker 2: They have to come.
- 6:23Speaker 1: Back, but we have to know that there was they
- 6:26Speaker 1: we do. All right, all right, this isn't the prestige. Okay,
- 6:28Speaker 1: you don't. You don't need to see the prestige at
- 6:31Speaker 1: the end. The bunny or the flower doesn't need to
- 6:34Speaker 1: come back. It's not it's it's you have science.
- 6:38Speaker 2: Come back or go somewhere if it's but we do know,
- 6:43Speaker 2: but we know travel it's a one way trip.
- 6:46Speaker 1: What do you want for me?
- 6:48Speaker 2: It's only a one way trip if you know that
- 6:50Speaker 2: they trip gets you somewhere.
- 6:53Speaker 1: But we do know that it worked. The movie goes
- 6:57Speaker 1: out of its way. The movie goes out of its
- 7:00Speaker 1: way to tell us that that the time travel works
- 7:03Speaker 1: because about all one line.
- 7:06Speaker 2: Are you talking about his? His?
- 7:07Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the plot. Yeah, yeah, let's
- 7:09Speaker 1: talk about the plot and then we'll get into this.
- 7:11Speaker 1: All right. So the plot of the movie revolves around
- 7:16Speaker 1: Aubrey Plaus's character, who is pretty jaded with life. She
- 7:21Speaker 1: lost her mom at a very young age, and she
- 7:24Speaker 1: holds herself responsible for this, which is unreasonable, but it's
- 7:29Speaker 1: easy to see how a child would would do this. Right.
- 7:32Speaker 1: She she asks her mom, who's driving home, to buy
- 7:35Speaker 1: her chocolate milk, and while the mom is on the road,
- 7:39Speaker 1: there's a car accident. She dies, and she feels guilty
- 7:42Speaker 1: that the last conversation they had she wasn't even happy
- 7:44Speaker 1: that the chocolate milk was on its way. So this
- 7:48Speaker 1: is an emotional scar that the character carries with her. Right.
- 7:52Speaker 1: She as as is with all rom coms, she works
- 7:56Speaker 1: in some kind of media. It's not it's not marketing
- 8:01Speaker 1: for once, it's it's magazines, which, like I shouldn't say
- 8:04Speaker 1: for once, if it's not marketing it's magazines, it almost
- 8:06Speaker 1: always is for some reason. This is like the go
- 8:09Speaker 1: to romcom job. So she's an intern. She's working with
- 8:14Speaker 1: Jake Johnson, who is probably the worst journalist I have
- 8:18Speaker 1: ever seen depicted in any movie or TV show. The
- 8:21Speaker 1: dude doesn't do a well I shouldn't see. I shouldn't
- 8:24Speaker 1: say he doesn't do any journalism. He does barely any
- 8:26Speaker 1: journalism and he's just trying to like sleeep his way
- 8:28Speaker 1: through the assignment. Absolutely wild, but uh in any case,
- 8:34Speaker 1: So they find this this guy who is looking for
- 8:40Speaker 1: a partner to time travel with. He puts an AD
- 8:43Speaker 1: in the classifieds I think, which like the dude is
- 8:48Speaker 1: concerned that the government is is chasing him and he's
- 8:52Speaker 1: committed actual crimes and trying to get the technology and
- 8:56Speaker 1: the chemicals that that he needs in order to build
- 8:59Speaker 1: what it is that he claims that he's building. So
- 9:02Speaker 1: I think it's wild that he just puts an AD
- 9:05Speaker 1: in the classify. It's just publicly like, hey, I'm building
- 9:09Speaker 1: a time machine. Seems like this guy's very easy to
- 9:13Speaker 1: track down, considering a sleezebag journalist and an intern found him. Right.
- 9:21Speaker 1: I will say that there are parts of this movie
- 9:24Speaker 1: that like you must suspend your disbelief for, and that's
- 9:29Speaker 1: one of them for me. Actually, everything that has to
- 9:32Speaker 1: do with the government makes me roll my eyes, like
- 9:33Speaker 1: I wish the government was not involved in this movie,
- 9:35Speaker 1: like whatsoever. They had the cringiest moment at the very end.
- 9:39Speaker 2: Yeah, and it brings up like part of me is
- 9:44Speaker 2: like I don't even know if they really with the government,
- 9:47Speaker 2: like because.
- 9:48Speaker 1: You don't, right, Yeah, that's a good point.
- 9:50Speaker 2: You're just being followed. Like there's really not proof that
- 9:51Speaker 2: they're actually with the government, except.
- 9:53Speaker 1: That like everyone we know that they're right for all
- 9:56Speaker 1: we know they're journalists. There are other journalists in cloaks,
- 9:59Speaker 1: you know, and.
- 9:59Speaker 2: Ca or like they just also saw his Actually, I.
- 10:06Speaker 1: Take that back. They do talk to them at one point.
- 10:10Speaker 2: They do talk, Yeah, but they assume that they're with
- 10:12Speaker 2: the government, like they don't. I don't think they announced
- 10:14Speaker 2: that they're with a particular outfit.
- 10:17Speaker 1: I think they they said something of like we're conducting
- 10:20Speaker 1: an investigation and something like that.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's very loose and weird and they're they're strange.
- 10:26Speaker 2: Like part of the issue with the not issue with
- 10:28Speaker 2: the movie, but part of the weird part about the
- 10:30Speaker 2: movie is like the characters are all kind of strange
- 10:33Speaker 2: and something feels kind of weird and off the whole time,
- 10:36Speaker 2: especially with the government characters. And then Kenneth, you know,
- 10:41Speaker 2: the guy who's invented the time travel or time travel device,
- 10:46Speaker 2: Like he's definitely got some screws loose, Like he's not
- 10:49Speaker 2: completely like sane, although potentially brilliant because the movie does
- 10:54Speaker 2: give you a lot of details on like, oh, it
- 10:57Speaker 2: looks like he did actually like invent time travel. There's
- 11:00Speaker 2: a lot of like sketches and schematics about how to
- 11:02Speaker 2: build a machine and then all these things. But the
- 11:04Speaker 2: government officials, I agree, you could have done without that.
- 11:08Speaker 2: And it's I feel like at the end, which we
- 11:13Speaker 2: we don't have to go there now, but at the end,
- 11:15Speaker 2: it feels like they kind of just disappeared. After the
- 11:19Speaker 2: boat disappears. It's like, where did the government guys go?
- 11:24Speaker 1: I don't know, Well, like they they are there at
- 11:27Speaker 1: the end, they're they're there. And again, this for me
- 11:30Speaker 1: is like the cringiest part of the film. I'm I get,
- 11:34Speaker 1: I guess just like skipping to the end here. No, no,
- 11:36Speaker 1: I don't want to skip to the end. Sorry, there's
- 11:38Speaker 1: there's some important stuff that we should cross off here. Yeah.
- 11:40Speaker 1: So you know, as as we mentioned, you know, our
- 11:43Speaker 1: our intern in our journalist, uh, they're they're trying to
- 11:46Speaker 1: do a story on this guy who is supposedly building
- 11:48Speaker 1: time travel and uh, basically Darius Aubrey Plaus's character. She decides,
- 11:56Speaker 1: or the team decides that she should go in undercover
- 11:59Speaker 1: and try to get this trust. So she's going to
- 12:01Speaker 1: offer herself as like the partner to go back in time,
- 12:05Speaker 1: and in doing so, you know, in the classic like ah,
- 12:10Speaker 1: I didn't tell you everything, sort of rom com deal.
- 12:15Speaker 1: She uh, you know, she she lies her way into
- 12:17Speaker 1: this guy's life, but she ends up having this like
- 12:20Speaker 1: very genuine connection with with him. Uh, and they they
- 12:24Speaker 1: end up falling in love. Of course, I will say,
- 12:28Speaker 1: you know, I'm the rom here. I'm unclear as to
- 12:35Speaker 1: what the age difference is supposed to be between these
- 12:37Speaker 1: two characters, and like maybe it doesn't matter, but like
- 12:41Speaker 1: I don't know, Mark Duplas seems like he's a lot
- 12:44Speaker 1: older than Audre Plaza. Maybe he isn't, but like he
- 12:48Speaker 1: definitely seems like he is.
- 12:51Speaker 2: Yeah, he does seem a little older. I didn't have
- 12:54Speaker 2: that thought. I don't think. I think it's a non issue.
- 12:56Speaker 2: But I think Mark Duplus just looks older. And he's
- 13:02Speaker 2: just an older looking guy in general. So it doesn't
- 13:04Speaker 2: know and head or whatever the hair do he had
- 13:07Speaker 2: to do any favors he clearly I think he's probably
- 13:10Speaker 2: meant to look a little older more so on this
- 13:13Speaker 2: stressed out the stressed outside because he's just been like
- 13:16Speaker 2: running from the government and trying to create a time
- 13:18Speaker 2: travel device and go back a second time. Right, So,
- 13:22Speaker 2: but I don't think it's like a huge, a huge
- 13:24Speaker 2: deal there.
- 13:25Speaker 1: Yeah, the two of them do actually commit a crime
- 13:29Speaker 1: together where they rob some some kind of heavily guarded
- 13:33Speaker 1: facility for technology that like I don't think we yeah,
- 13:36Speaker 1: heavily guarded actually might be a bit of stretch.
- 13:38Speaker 2: Shake you, Yeah, definitely a stretch. Like the people having
- 13:42Speaker 2: a party just like follow him out, Like no one
- 13:44Speaker 2: tries this.
- 13:44Speaker 1: Out, which is a point against whether or not he
- 13:49Speaker 1: is actually building time travel because they don't seem all
- 13:52Speaker 1: that concerned with what he has stolen.
- 13:55Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, to the movie's credit, Like in this case,
- 13:57Speaker 2: I didn't think that that place didn't strike me as
- 14:01Speaker 2: a place to where like they knew that they had
- 14:04Speaker 2: technology that could help with time travel. To me, it
- 14:06Speaker 2: was more like there was a certain couple of pieces
- 14:09Speaker 2: of equipment he needed that he knows will help with
- 14:12Speaker 2: time travel. But like that particular business or building wasn't like, oh,
- 14:16Speaker 2: we're building time travel devices here, this is crazy, we
- 14:19Speaker 2: need even more top non security. It was more just
- 14:21Speaker 2: like a secondary thing, you know, Like I don't think
- 14:24Speaker 2: the device, like the devices helped him invent time travel,
- 14:27Speaker 2: but like that business did not know that those devices
- 14:31Speaker 2: were that powerful or could be used for that in
- 14:34Speaker 2: my opinion, so I don't think for me it was like,
- 14:37Speaker 2: okay that I could get why it might not have
- 14:39Speaker 2: crazy security. It felt weird to me that they decided
- 14:44Speaker 2: to the thing that bothered me more was that, like
- 14:46Speaker 2: why he didn't realize that there was a zillion cars
- 14:48Speaker 2: in the parking lot at that time when there normally
- 14:50Speaker 2: isn't when there's a party going on, like an end
- 14:53Speaker 2: of year going on or something. So but you know,
- 14:56Speaker 2: to me, it was like the movie is just giving
- 14:58Speaker 2: you an extra lightly suspenseful, funny moment instead of him
- 15:02Speaker 2: just like running from a couple of security guards, which
- 15:06Speaker 2: there's really only one security guard that he locked away.
- 15:09Speaker 2: So yeah, that was my take at least on that part.
- 15:13Speaker 1: I so, as you know, I'm a, well, we both are.
- 15:17Speaker 1: We're back to the future people. We love that movie.
- 15:19Speaker 1: I love that series. And while I will make fun
- 15:22Speaker 1: of the time travel of that movie of that series
- 15:29Speaker 1: because I don't think it ages well in the grand
- 15:30Speaker 1: scheme of looking at time travel movies. Right, the movie
- 15:34Speaker 1: is great for so many reasons, and one of them is,
- 15:37Speaker 1: you know, Doc Brown needs like in order to like
- 15:41Speaker 1: get his time travel going, he needs access to like
- 15:44Speaker 1: chemicals and technology. I think that movie does such a
- 15:47Speaker 1: better job of quickly explaining how he has all this stuff.
- 15:51Speaker 1: And he's like, iby deals with terrorists like real, real quick, right,
- 15:56Speaker 1: and like you know, that's that becomes part of the
- 15:57Speaker 1: plot of the movie. And like honestly, that's like one
- 16:00Speaker 1: of like the more believable parts of the movie, whereas
- 16:04Speaker 1: like this with like the government facility is just like
- 16:06Speaker 1: what this is? This is weird and dumb.
- 16:09Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I will say I really want to
- 16:16Speaker 2: talk about like the rules that come up throughout the movie.
- 16:21Speaker 2: Do you have more plot stuff you want to discuss?
- 16:24Speaker 1: Just just one more And I will now accept the
- 16:27Speaker 1: bee that you gave me for the fifteen second summary
- 16:29Speaker 1: because this actually is critical to the plot and I
- 16:32Speaker 1: did not mention it. So we keep talking about how
- 16:36Speaker 1: this guy is building time travel and the woman is
- 16:39Speaker 1: going with the woman. Darius Abbyplaus's character is going undercover
- 16:43Speaker 1: to you know, get access to whatever it is that
- 16:46Speaker 1: this guy is up to. A critical like point of
- 16:50Speaker 1: this movie, though, is whether this dude is insane or not.
- 16:55Speaker 1: We we are led to believe that this character is
- 16:58Speaker 1: off his rocker and that eventually there is a there's
- 17:04Speaker 1: a part of the film that the film really goes
- 17:06Speaker 1: out of the way to like really paint this guy
- 17:08Speaker 1: as like not being forthcoming and actually probably being not
- 17:13Speaker 1: only insane, but maybe even dangerous. So we learned that
- 17:17Speaker 1: Kenneth Martyplau's character his mission. The reason why he wants
- 17:22Speaker 1: to go back in time is because there was a
- 17:26Speaker 1: woman that he loved and she died also in a
- 17:30Speaker 1: car accident, but a much more violent one. I would argue,
- 17:33Speaker 1: she was in her living room and a driver comes
- 17:36Speaker 1: barreling through the living room while he wasn't there, and
- 17:39Speaker 1: and she dies right Well, it is later revealed, Oh sorry.
- 17:45Speaker 2: I was gonna say with it, Yeah, that's his version
- 17:48Speaker 2: of the story.
- 17:51Speaker 1: Sure, sure, sure, I was just about to point out
- 17:53Speaker 1: later revealed that the woman that he's in love with
- 17:57Speaker 1: is still alive by Kristen Bell, which was I did
- 18:02Speaker 1: not remember that. It was like, hello, Kristin Bell.
- 18:04Speaker 2: Your nice surprise, always a good time.
- 18:08Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm honestly like I was surprised to see her
- 18:12Speaker 1: in this film, because like, at this point, Aubrey Plaza
- 18:15Speaker 1: had not really blown up the way that she has now.
- 18:19Speaker 1: So most of the people in this film, I would say, like,
- 18:22Speaker 1: we're still like kind of early in their career. Kristin
- 18:25Speaker 1: Bell most certainly was not. Kristen Bell was like already
- 18:28Speaker 1: pretty famous by this point, so kind of amazed that
- 18:30Speaker 1: this movie was able to get her. Yeah, but yeah,
- 18:35Speaker 1: Kristen Bell shows up and she reveals that she was
- 18:39Speaker 1: never in a relationship with this guy. She she knew
- 18:42Speaker 1: that he liked her, but she was with somebody else.
- 18:46Speaker 1: And the driver who comes barreling through the living room
- 18:50Speaker 1: was Kenneth. Uh So, yeah, this adds a lot of
- 18:55Speaker 1: doubt to Kenneth's character and the whole time travel process
- 19:00Speaker 1: in and of itself. Right, but again, we'll get into that.
- 19:04Speaker 1: The last thing I want to get into Nick before well, actually,
- 19:09Speaker 1: you know what, I'll hang on to that point until
- 19:12Speaker 1: we start talking about time travel. Nick, you want to
- 19:13Speaker 1: talk about rules?
- 19:14Speaker 2: Yeah, really, and and please correct me if I'm wrong.
- 19:19Speaker 2: The only rule that I actually wrote down is don't
- 19:25Speaker 2: use knowledge of the future to change things.
- 19:28Speaker 1: Was really, well, I didn't catch that.
- 19:30Speaker 2: That was really the only rule that is like expressed explicably,
- 19:37Speaker 2: like explicitly excuse me, So don't use knowledge of the
- 19:41Speaker 2: future to change things. They this is a rule kind
- 19:43Speaker 2: of gives Darius when they're like sitting in the diner,
- 19:46Speaker 2: like I don't know halfway through or three quests.
- 19:48Speaker 1: So this is like well before they have like their
- 19:50Speaker 1: emotional confessions to each other about why.
- 19:53Speaker 2: They want to or they both realize they've told each
- 19:56Speaker 2: other slightly, they both as lied to each other one
- 20:00Speaker 2: waird or another. This is before that. But this is like,
- 20:03Speaker 2: but that's really the only rule. There's a rule later
- 20:06Speaker 2: where like he tells her the cipher to send messages
- 20:10Speaker 2: which is four four three one four and then in
- 20:14Speaker 2: reverse to send it back. But that part's not really
- 20:19Speaker 2: I don't think that's really that's not really really a
- 20:21Speaker 2: time travel rule. That's just something to know. But really,
- 20:25Speaker 2: the only rule I wrote down was that don't use
- 20:28Speaker 2: knowledge of the future to change things. This brings up
- 20:30Speaker 2: a bunch of questions though, right.
- 20:33Speaker 1: It's a contradiction to what he wants to do.
- 20:35Speaker 2: Right, because like basically if that's the case, then he
- 20:38Speaker 2: is disobeying his own rules. If he wants to go
- 20:40Speaker 2: back and save his girlfriend from dying. The other issue
- 20:44Speaker 2: is that when at the end of the film, when
- 20:46Speaker 2: they start, when when the realization is that they both
- 20:49Speaker 2: lied to each other in one way, right, like he
- 20:51Speaker 2: lied about the girlfriend, the ex girlfriend being dead, and
- 20:56Speaker 2: Aubrey lot like was hiding the fact not Aubrey, excuse me,
- 20:59Speaker 2: Darius was hiding the fact that she's also working with
- 21:02Speaker 2: the journalists. But when Darius tells him that his ex
- 21:07Speaker 2: girlfriend's alive, he has this moment where he's like, no,
- 21:11Speaker 2: that means it worked. That means the time travel worked.
- 21:14Speaker 2: And then he's like, it's not like exact like time
- 21:17Speaker 2: is you know, weird or it has its own like
- 21:19Speaker 2: minds or whatever. And to his credit, at the beginning
- 21:23Speaker 2: of the film, when he's in the grocery, when he's
- 21:25Speaker 2: working at the grocery store and talking to his buddy,
- 21:29Speaker 2: he's like explaining how he's like been talking online to
- 21:31Speaker 2: all of these like quantum mechanics or quantum physicists about
- 21:34Speaker 2: time travel and all these things. And he's saying that,
- 21:37Speaker 2: you know, time isn't isn't linear. It's it's like a
- 21:41Speaker 2: v basically, like there's two routes and there's multiple ways,
- 21:45Speaker 2: you know, and so that moment, paired with the whole
- 21:49Speaker 2: realization later that he thinks that his girlfriend being alive
- 21:53Speaker 2: means that he was successful in the time travel already
- 21:57Speaker 2: even though he hasn't done it yet. Is kind of
- 22:01Speaker 2: the movie's way of like giving you the ambiguity to
- 22:05Speaker 2: decide for yourself if he actually if they actually pull
- 22:08Speaker 2: it off or not.
- 22:09Speaker 1: I will say in that moment, in the moment, like
- 22:12Speaker 1: retro retroactively, yes, I agree with you. After the movie
- 22:16Speaker 1: is done, when you revisit that moment, Yeah, that's that's
- 22:19Speaker 1: kind of the conclusion or not conclusion, But that's kind
- 22:21Speaker 1: of how you can look at that scene as far
- 22:23Speaker 1: as like, which way do you want to believe him?
- 22:27Speaker 1: When that scene is playing out the movie, I think
- 22:31Speaker 1: through the eyes of Aubrey Plaza through Darius wants you
- 22:35Speaker 1: to feel like this dude's insane, you.
- 22:38Speaker 2: Know, and before he before we find it, like the
- 22:42Speaker 2: moment before uh, Jake Johnson's character whose name I'm forgetting,
- 22:50Speaker 2: Jeff Jeff, before Jeff tells Darius that she's alive. I
- 22:57Speaker 2: thought that the movie was going to say that, oh,
- 23:00Speaker 2: Kenneth is the one that killed her, and then this
- 23:03Speaker 2: movie was going to get dark in that area where
- 23:06Speaker 2: it was just like, oh wait, she's now fallen in
- 23:08Speaker 2: love with a murderer. That's I honestly thought the movie
- 23:11Speaker 2: was going to go there. And then it was just
- 23:12Speaker 2: like what right, It's like, oh no, she's just she's alive.
- 23:17Speaker 2: It's like, okay, all right, never mind but very But
- 23:23Speaker 2: but in that moment, like you said, you you immediately
- 23:25Speaker 2: you're like, this guy is absolutely insane. He made up
- 23:28Speaker 2: a story about her being dead instead of just being
- 23:32Speaker 2: accepting the rejection, you know. And then yeah, but only
- 23:41Speaker 2: one rule and unless there was another.
- 23:44Speaker 1: That you thought of or that you know, honestly I wouldn't.
- 23:47Speaker 1: That was one more rule than I was paying attention to.
- 23:50Speaker 1: And honestly, it's amazing that the movie gives you that rule,
- 23:53Speaker 1: because I would say that's actually a point against the
- 23:56Speaker 1: writing of this film, because he seems very rule oriented, right,
- 24:01Speaker 1: Like he has his code, he being Kenneth, right, so
- 24:07Speaker 1: for him to have this rule about time travel, but
- 24:10Speaker 1: like it contradicts like his actual mission, right, I need
- 24:14Speaker 1: a little bit more explanation on that, Like is it
- 24:17Speaker 1: that he was told this rule or like this is
- 24:19Speaker 1: a rule that like has like been concluded by physicists,
- 24:23Speaker 1: but it's only theoretical. And despite the fact that it's theoretical,
- 24:26Speaker 1: like he's gonna like try his luck trying to save
- 24:30Speaker 1: this woman that he loves, right, but I don't know in.
- 24:33Speaker 2: The movie, I need more there in that scene, like
- 24:37Speaker 2: he basically says, you know, you can't use it to like,
- 24:38Speaker 2: you know, get rich or whatever. Like he uses it
- 24:41Speaker 2: like nonchalantly, like something basic like that, But it doesn't
- 24:44Speaker 2: matter how you use it, right, Like, he is clearly
- 24:48Speaker 2: disobeying his own set up rule by wanting to go
- 24:50Speaker 2: back in time to change the future quite literally, so well,
- 24:54Speaker 2: he's changing the past but in turn changing the future,
- 24:56Speaker 2: so like he is doing the opposite of what his
- 24:59Speaker 2: own o soul rule is right, which like in the
- 25:05Speaker 2: Realm of Time travel scores for the Time travel Draft
- 25:08Speaker 2: very poor because he's disobeying his own clear set one rule.
- 25:13Speaker 2: But we'll get one rule, right, like the one rule
- 25:16Speaker 2: to not rule them all, dude. The other thing and
- 25:21Speaker 2: it's not really a rule, but it's something that he says.
- 25:23Speaker 2: And this is that this has to do with like
- 25:25Speaker 2: the old broken down truck that is in the woods.
- 25:28Speaker 2: That inside the truck there is this tin box, and
- 25:32Speaker 2: this is like where you go to send messages back
- 25:35Speaker 2: to the future, right where it's like you're in the past.
- 25:38Speaker 2: You come here, you place a note in this tin
- 25:41Speaker 2: box if something goes wrong, and if something goes wrong
- 25:45Speaker 2: in the future, you'll open the tin box and you'll
- 25:47Speaker 2: see a note. That way you can go back and
- 25:50Speaker 2: change what went wrong, which again is almost disobeying his
- 25:53Speaker 2: own one set up rule about don't don't change things.
- 25:59Speaker 2: Don't you your knowledge of the future of the future
- 26:01Speaker 2: to change things, because you get in this weird like
- 26:06Speaker 2: time travel thing where it's like, well, if there was
- 26:08Speaker 2: a note in there about something going wrong in the past,
- 26:11Speaker 2: it's already happened, So at what, at what moment are
- 26:17Speaker 2: you changing the future? Again, it's very it gets my
- 26:21Speaker 2: head's hurting.
- 26:23Speaker 1: I would I would also point out like this this
- 26:25Speaker 1: plot element is like I think I get what they're
- 26:28Speaker 1: going for with this plot element. I found it a
- 26:30Speaker 1: little disappointing and I think there was a better use
- 26:33Speaker 1: for it. So like they introduced that, and there's a
- 26:35Speaker 1: moment later where I'll be Plaza is very like very
- 26:40Speaker 1: emotional over the fact that she's in love with this guy,
- 26:42Speaker 1: but like he's clearly insane, and she she runs the
- 26:47Speaker 1: truck almost like in this desperate effort to grab the box,
- 26:51Speaker 1: right and like hope, hope to see something in there, right,
- 26:54Speaker 1: And there's nothing in there, And like again we're we
- 26:58Speaker 1: are adding, we are painting this magery of like this
- 27:00Speaker 1: dude's insane, right, he's he's been lying about everything. So
- 27:04Speaker 1: like I get that's what they were going for. I
- 27:06Speaker 1: wish they had used this differently, Like I wish that
- 27:09Speaker 1: she did find something in there, right, But it's not clear,
- 27:12Speaker 1: Like it almost like makes it more ambiguous. Like let's say, hypothetically,
- 27:16Speaker 1: it's a there is a note in there, right, it's
- 27:19Speaker 1: a note, uh, and it says something like it worked
- 27:22Speaker 1: or something like that, right, right, But like it's a receipt,
- 27:25Speaker 1: Like it's a receipt from like two days ago, right,
- 27:28Speaker 1: Like it even has a date on it. It's like, well,
- 27:29Speaker 1: this is from two days ago. But like his argument
- 27:32Speaker 1: would be like yeah, but look at the writing, like
- 27:34Speaker 1: it's a certain pending that like only could have been
- 27:37Speaker 1: used from like this type here, like something to like
- 27:39Speaker 1: make this like questionable, you know what I mean? Right, So,
- 27:42Speaker 1: like I because like this plot element almost feels like
- 27:45Speaker 1: a throwaway to me.
- 27:46Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it definitely does. I agree with you.
- 27:49Speaker 2: I wish they would have done more with that, because
- 27:50Speaker 2: that that's where you can actually get into the whole Okay,
- 27:53Speaker 2: they did time travel, there's proof.
- 27:54Speaker 1: Right, whereas the movie didn't they.
- 27:56Speaker 2: Right, Whereas I think the movie wants you to believe
- 27:58Speaker 2: that because there isn't a note went wrong because the
- 28:01Speaker 2: only time he introduced that's the only time he introduces
- 28:04Speaker 2: that is like, use this as something goes wrong, and
- 28:06Speaker 2: since there's not a note in there, Darius sees that
- 28:10Speaker 2: there's not a note towards the end when she knows
- 28:12Speaker 2: the next place she's going is the time travel device,
- 28:15Speaker 2: and so she doesn't see a note in her head
- 28:18Speaker 2: nothing went wrong, which is crazy because like the time
- 28:22Speaker 2: travel could have totally gone wrong. They could just have
- 28:26Speaker 2: disintegrated space gone, they could be dead, And the fact
- 28:31Speaker 2: that the movie doesn't actually show us what happens to
- 28:34Speaker 2: them after the device is used leaves it so open
- 28:40Speaker 2: that you don't even actually know if they time traveled.
- 28:43Speaker 1: So I'm all right, all right, So we're at the
- 28:46Speaker 1: end here. So the ending of the movie is we
- 28:50Speaker 1: arrive at Kennit's garage, which is it's very Doc Brown coded,
- 28:55Speaker 1: extremely Doc Brown code. He's got time travel stuff all
- 28:58Speaker 1: over the place. The only thing he's miss saying is
- 29:00Speaker 1: like the miniature models that Doc Brown loves to build.
- 29:03Speaker 1: That's the only thing he's missing. Man, Yeah, for sure,
- 29:08Speaker 1: for sure, he's like the redneck Doc Brown. But uh
- 29:13Speaker 1: I actually actually yeah right, because like the glory and like,
- 29:16Speaker 1: if you're gonna time travel in styles.
- 29:19Speaker 2: Doc Brown, that's such a good point.
- 29:23Speaker 1: Because like he makes like what is it, like, what
- 29:25Speaker 1: what do you call that? The airboats? Like he makes
- 29:27Speaker 1: like an airboat time travel machine? Yeah, inane.
- 29:29Speaker 2: It looks insane.
- 29:30Speaker 1: It's insane. There's no style to this whatsoever. So like
- 29:36Speaker 1: we arrived in the garage.
- 29:38Speaker 2: And wait, wait wait, wait wait wait it even has
- 29:41Speaker 2: the safe unsaved keys.
- 29:43Speaker 1: Like it's so I didn't even realize like how much
- 29:50Speaker 1: they were going for like a dock Brown imagery until
- 29:52Speaker 1: this moment. Yeah, but yeah, just you know, we see
- 29:57Speaker 1: that he has all these chematics and he has all
- 29:59Speaker 1: this insane technology like inside the garage, which has been
- 30:03Speaker 1: locked throughout most of the film, And suddenly this adds
- 30:07Speaker 1: a little bit of credence to what kenn It's been
- 30:09Speaker 1: talking about. Ariy Plaza Goo is running into the forest
- 30:12Speaker 1: looking for the location of wherever the time travel the
- 30:16Speaker 1: time machine is. She finds it. Kenneth's standing there in
- 30:18Speaker 1: his rednecked airboat DeLorean, right ready to time travel, and
- 30:23Speaker 1: he's got some crazy spinning technology going on there that
- 30:26Speaker 1: looks otherworldly. He says, come with me, I'm gonna I'm
- 30:30Speaker 1: not going back for me anymore. I'm going back for you,
- 30:33Speaker 1: and she decides to jump on the boat and our
- 30:37Speaker 1: other characters watch. Some of them are heroically fist pumping
- 30:41Speaker 1: into the air, very rom calm style, and then the
- 30:45Speaker 1: time machine blasts off into light and we do not
- 30:49Speaker 1: see the characters anymore.
- 30:51Speaker 2: So you just said something. You just made me, just
- 30:54Speaker 2: said something that made me reconsidered even further. When Ken
- 30:57Speaker 2: tells her, I'm not going back for me anymore, I'm
- 30:59Speaker 2: going back for you. You right, So that means he
- 31:03Speaker 2: is crazy and he never did go back to save
- 31:08Speaker 2: his ex girlfriend.
- 31:09Speaker 1: In the first place. Face Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want
- 31:13Speaker 1: to get to that. I do want to get to that,
- 31:15Speaker 1: because like this is either a contradiction or it's bad writing.
- 31:18Speaker 1: We will get to that. Jesus, it could be both.
- 31:22Speaker 1: It could be both. I'm willing to accept that, so
- 31:26Speaker 1: all right. So, yeah, we were at the end. There
- 31:28Speaker 1: is as as Nick points out, there is no time
- 31:31Speaker 1: travel until questionably the end, and I want to I
- 31:35Speaker 1: want to throw my pitch out here for why I
- 31:37Speaker 1: do think that this is absolutely time travel. Okay, please
- 31:40Speaker 1: all right. So, similarly to a film that we have
- 31:43Speaker 1: also reviewed earlier, in this time travel draft, Donnie Darko,
- 31:47Speaker 1: we do not see any time travel actually happen until
- 31:50Speaker 1: the very end of the film, but we don't actually
- 31:52Speaker 1: get to see where it is that they go. There
- 31:55Speaker 1: is a bit of a leap of faith here toward
- 31:56Speaker 1: the end, which I think is extremely important for what
- 32:00Speaker 1: this film is trying to say. And I think you
- 32:04Speaker 1: already see where I'm going with this. So in this movie,
- 32:07Speaker 1: we get three characters who are crazy nostalgic for the past. Right.
- 32:12Speaker 1: We have Kenneth, we have Darius. We know why. We
- 32:14Speaker 1: know that both of those characters want to save loved
- 32:17Speaker 1: ones or they want to go back to a happier
- 32:19Speaker 1: time where they have those loved ones in their lives. Right.
- 32:22Speaker 1: The character we haven't spent a lot of time here
- 32:24Speaker 1: with is Jake. Jake or excuse me, Jeff Jake Johnson's character, right, So,
- 32:30Speaker 1: I think he's actually the standout actor in this movie,
- 32:34Speaker 1: even though his character is a huge scumbag. I think
- 32:38Speaker 1: he's doing a great job in adding what little charisma
- 32:42Speaker 1: you can give this character. This character is the high
- 32:45Speaker 1: school jock that longs for the days of old, for
- 32:50Speaker 1: the glory days. Right. He wants to the only reason
- 32:53Speaker 1: why he's doing this assignment is so he can be
- 32:55Speaker 1: in the same town as a girl that he used
- 32:58Speaker 1: to really like who was super high in high school.
- 33:00Speaker 1: And he wants to bang her and like, he finds
- 33:04Speaker 1: some kind of joy in that, right, but he's nostalgic
- 33:06Speaker 1: for it. He's a little disappointed when he finds her,
- 33:09Speaker 1: but he gives it a chance, and he falls over
- 33:11Speaker 1: head head over heels for her really fast, right, and
- 33:16Speaker 1: so much so he wants to like bring her back
- 33:18Speaker 1: home with him. However, this character has also been harmed
- 33:21Speaker 1: by the past, harmed by love. We're gonna come back
- 33:23Speaker 1: to that theme, harmed by love, right, and she can't
- 33:26Speaker 1: do it. She can't revisit that past, right. She's not
- 33:30Speaker 1: even willing to take the leap with Jake Johnson. Right,
- 33:33Speaker 1: And this this shatters Jake Johnson, right, and he moves
- 33:36Speaker 1: forward and he takes what he's learned from this and
- 33:38Speaker 1: he passes it on to the ute. Right. Okay, fast forward,
- 33:42Speaker 1: So we are back at the dock, where Kenneth is
- 33:46Speaker 1: saying to Darius like, I'm not going back for me anymore,
- 33:49Speaker 1: I'm going back for you. And Darius is hesitant because
- 33:53Speaker 1: everything up until this moment has painted Kenneth as an
- 33:57Speaker 1: insane person, and maybe he is, maybe he actually is insane,
- 34:04Speaker 1: but she still likes this person, like this human that
- 34:08Speaker 1: she has made this connection with, and maybe not all
- 34:11Speaker 1: of it is real, but she knows that there was
- 34:13Speaker 1: some kind of a real connection there. So she decides
- 34:17Speaker 1: to take a leap of faith, not just in the
- 34:19Speaker 1: idea of maybe this isn't time travel, maybe this won't
- 34:22Speaker 1: get me back to the past, but I am gonna
- 34:23Speaker 1: take a leap of faith in this person, this person
- 34:26Speaker 1: I have fallen in love with. So she jumps from
- 34:28Speaker 1: the dock, an actual leap of faith, onto the time
- 34:31Speaker 1: travel machine that may or may not work, and then
- 34:34Speaker 1: they disappear. So I think the time travel itself, while
- 34:37Speaker 1: we don't get to see them, actually like go back
- 34:40Speaker 1: and do it, and I do agree with you. It
- 34:41Speaker 1: does feel like a ballbuster to not actually see it.
- 34:44Speaker 1: I think like that's the metaphor that they are going for, right,
- 34:48Speaker 1: You don't know where you're going to land with this person.
- 34:51Speaker 1: You are taking a leap of faith and maybe it'll
- 34:53Speaker 1: work out, but your safety is not guaranteed.
- 34:58Speaker 2: Great, Okay, I'll give you that. That was a great explanation,
- 35:02Speaker 2: and I can see the reasons for coming up with that.
- 35:06Speaker 2: It makes sense. But the issue at the end of
- 35:11Speaker 2: the jay this is so much more implied time travel
- 35:14Speaker 2: than Darny Darko. Donny Darko and this are very different.
- 35:17Speaker 1: It really is.
- 35:18Speaker 2: Okay, this is this leap of faith most likely ended
- 35:23Speaker 2: up in death. Okay, this is crazy, Like there is
- 35:27Speaker 2: no This is not a time travel movie. This is
- 35:29Speaker 2: the idea of a time travel movie. This is not
- 35:32Speaker 2: a complete film. It doesn't It ends with a leap
- 35:35Speaker 2: of faith. Sure, but if this is a time travel movie,
- 35:38Speaker 2: they have to travel somewhere else in time. They don't
- 35:42Speaker 2: have to come back, but they have to show us
- 35:44Speaker 2: that they've traveled somewhere else in time. And all this
- 35:46Speaker 2: movie does is contradict itself the whole time and disobey
- 35:50Speaker 2: the time throughout the whole film. The whole film, it
- 35:54Speaker 2: disobeys its own one rule that it's set. This is
- 35:57Speaker 2: not time.
- 35:58Speaker 1: I cannot I cannot argue that. Yeah, it's I actually
- 36:01Speaker 1: did not remember that, And like, that's that's actually kind
- 36:03Speaker 1: of embarrassing. If, like I think you can, I think
- 36:07Speaker 1: you can have the contradiction, right, if it's some kind
- 36:10Speaker 1: of like emotional steak, But then the movie that it's
- 36:13Speaker 1: on the onus of the movie to explain the contradiction
- 36:16Speaker 1: or at least like imply the contradiction like a reason
- 36:19Speaker 1: for it, right, But he doesn't do that. So, like,
- 36:21Speaker 1: I agree, that's that's bad writing. I don't know what
- 36:24Speaker 1: to make of that.
- 36:25Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just sets. It has one rule, disobeys the
- 36:29Speaker 2: one rule to meet pretty much the whole time. Uh,
- 36:31Speaker 2: and then doesn't even give you immediately, doesn't even give
- 36:34Speaker 2: you time travel at the end. Like I'm pretty sure
- 36:37Speaker 2: that he was he is insane, doesn't mean he's not brilliant.
- 36:40Speaker 2: Plenty of brilliant people are crazy, right, So he definitely
- 36:43Speaker 2: invented some sort of device because they fucking disappeared. But
- 36:48Speaker 2: there is no resolve, there's nothing, There is there is
- 36:52Speaker 2: nothing after that. The movie just rolls credits, So it's
- 36:56Speaker 2: not it's not time travel there until you show us
- 36:59Speaker 2: that you've actually travel somewhere to another time period, even
- 37:02Speaker 2: if it was just an hour before. Then okay, but nothing.
- 37:05Speaker 2: The movie could have ended with them showing up in
- 37:09Speaker 2: that same location and it would have been time travel,
- 37:15Speaker 2: but it's not, and they didn't.
- 37:17Speaker 1: So if if if, if our boy, if our boy,
- 37:21Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan was here, I believe he would say that
- 37:23Speaker 1: the answer is love.
- 37:25Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know what, Christopher Nolan wouldn't write a film.
- 37:28Speaker 1: Like this, so movie he most certainly would not. We
- 37:33Speaker 1: would have a whole another hour of exposition involved with
- 37:36Speaker 1: a lot more Hans Zimmer And.
- 37:38Speaker 2: You know, the movie even tells us that they want
- 37:40Speaker 2: to travel to two thousand and one, so like they
- 37:43Speaker 2: could have, like if they wanted, I will give you
- 37:47Speaker 2: that they wanted to leave it open with the whole
- 37:49Speaker 2: leap of faith things. So the audience is supposed to
- 37:51Speaker 2: take a leap of faith that they did time travel
- 37:53Speaker 2: and any in fact. Right, Yeah, but the problem is
- 37:55Speaker 2: that the movie just contradicts its own rules the whole time.
- 37:58Speaker 2: So like even if you take that leap of faith.
- 38:00Speaker 2: At the end of the day, you're like, Okay, well
- 38:04Speaker 2: the rules, the rules that it's set up were broken immediately,
- 38:06Speaker 2: so like whatever it, I will give it that. Like
- 38:11Speaker 2: they gave us an equivalent time travel device of the
- 38:14Speaker 2: character building it right, like Redneck Doc Brown is a
- 38:17Speaker 2: fantastic a fantastic conclusion. And the device is exactly that.
- 38:23Speaker 2: It's an airboat like and it looks insane, just like
- 38:26Speaker 2: the guy who invented it. So that's hilarious.
- 38:28Speaker 1: Honestly, it does look insane. I think it looks freaking
- 38:31Speaker 1: awesome though, Like yeah, like the second you see that
- 38:33Speaker 1: spinning thing, you're like, whoa, Maybe this guy wasn't full
- 38:36Speaker 1: of it.
- 38:36Speaker 2: But the ridiculous part is like it's got the spinning thing,
- 38:39Speaker 2: but it still has a propeller at the end of it,
- 38:42Speaker 2: which the propeller.
- 38:43Speaker 1: Which like what is that? What does that do?
- 38:45Speaker 2: I thought they were going to actually need to use
- 38:47Speaker 2: speed kind of like it. You know, they could have
- 38:49Speaker 2: done it like the Dolorium where you have to get
- 38:50Speaker 2: to it, you have to speed and actually be they
- 38:53Speaker 2: didn't do that. It just disappears at the dock like what.
- 38:57Speaker 1: What which like to his like like if that is
- 39:01Speaker 1: actually how it works, right, you have to gain speed
- 39:03Speaker 1: in the boat. This is such a smarter way of
- 39:07Speaker 1: doing this than the DeLorean because remember the problem with
- 39:10Speaker 1: the DeLorean is you have no idea where you're going
- 39:13Speaker 1: to end up, and you might hit something. In fact,
- 39:16Speaker 1: it almost always does, whereas like if you're on the water,
- 39:20Speaker 1: like well like still on the water, right most like exactly,
- 39:24Speaker 1: that's a lot smarter. Yeah, but again that's not what
- 39:27Speaker 1: it does.
- 39:28Speaker 2: Right, And we don't get any we don't get any
- 39:32Speaker 2: explanation on the device or like what exactly is making
- 39:35Speaker 2: it go right, like with the with the Delorium and
- 39:39Speaker 2: back to the futures, the flux capacitor is like the
- 39:42Speaker 2: important thing, right, like here have an explanation necessarily, Like
- 39:46Speaker 2: we see one of the devices that he steals in
- 39:48Speaker 2: the movie and he puts that on there at the
- 39:50Speaker 2: very end. So we are we're to assume that this
- 39:52Speaker 2: is like the most important piece, but it's only the
- 39:53Speaker 2: most important piece because it's the last piece of the puzzle.
- 39:56Speaker 2: But we don't have a we don't have an explanation
- 39:57Speaker 2: for exactly how it all works. We have one rule
- 40:00Speaker 2: that can.
- 40:01Speaker 1: Right, It's it's it's sort of it's sort of like
- 40:03Speaker 1: this mcguffin because like there is like importance like laid
- 40:07Speaker 1: down on it when they want to when they steal
- 40:10Speaker 1: the box right right, and she says what what's in there?
- 40:13Speaker 1: And and he doesn't directly answer it. And then later
- 40:16Speaker 1: when the supposedly the government shows up and Jake Johnson
- 40:20Speaker 1: asks like, hey, so, like what did he steal? And
- 40:23Speaker 1: they don't directly answer it, right, So it is a
- 40:27Speaker 1: little strange that, like, yeah, they it does feel like
- 40:31Speaker 1: this is supposed to be our flux capacitor, but never
- 40:33Speaker 1: gets a name, Like it's just this big mystery thing
- 40:36Speaker 1: until you see it and you're like, a, all right,
- 40:38Speaker 1: I guess maybe it's time trouble. I don't know. I
- 40:40Speaker 1: don't know what else that thing does, right.
- 40:43Speaker 2: So anyway, that's I don't have much else to say
- 40:47Speaker 2: on that whole front.
- 40:49Speaker 1: No, I don't either, except to you know, to to
- 40:52Speaker 1: your credit about the contradictions retroactively, when you look back
- 40:56Speaker 1: at this movie and you find out Kristen Bell is alive,
- 40:59Speaker 1: I think that is. I will say, maybe maybe it
- 41:03Speaker 1: is a point in the direction of that this man
- 41:07Speaker 1: was not full of it, right, I will say like,
- 41:09Speaker 1: I don't think he ever directly lies to her ever,
- 41:14Speaker 1: which doesn't necessarily mean he didn't lie, but I think
- 41:17Speaker 1: it is a point toward his character. Right. That being said, though,
- 41:22Speaker 1: the line at the end where he says, I'm not
- 41:24Speaker 1: going back for me anymore, I'm going back for you,
- 41:25Speaker 1: I think that does like make it very confusing. Then
- 41:29Speaker 1: it's like, well, did he save her or is he crazy?
- 41:32Speaker 1: Like at this point, I feel like the movie needs
- 41:34Speaker 1: this stop being ambiguous. Yeah, right, because like it's about
- 41:38Speaker 1: to do something very ambiguous right where it just disappears. Yeah,
- 41:42Speaker 1: I think it needs to stop being ambiguous with its lines,
- 41:44Speaker 1: and like it won't. It doesn't, and it's like, ah,
- 41:47Speaker 1: I'm trying to make my own conclusions your movie, but
- 41:49Speaker 1: you're not letting me go one way or the other.
- 41:51Speaker 2: It didn't. The movie didn't obey its own rules, and
- 41:56Speaker 2: that makes it extremely confusing, and it makes it hard
- 41:58Speaker 2: for you to take that leap of face at the end,
- 42:00Speaker 2: which is why I'm on the side.
- 42:01Speaker 1: Yeah with the film, right, like.
- 42:03Speaker 2: They did not time travel at the end because we
- 42:05Speaker 2: don't have proof and the link they killed them, the
- 42:08Speaker 2: leap of faith doesn't hit because they contradicted it multiple times,
- 42:13Speaker 2: unfortunately for the film and of itself.
- 42:16Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just suicide.
- 42:19Speaker 2: Yeah they're dead.
- 42:20Speaker 1: Oh it's like Romeo and Juliet. Yeah, maybe redneck sci
- 42:25Speaker 1: fi Romeo Juliat. There we figured it out.
- 42:29Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
- 42:30Speaker 1: All right, So we have arrived at the end of
- 42:33Speaker 1: our podcast here, uh where we are going to talk
- 42:37Speaker 1: about the scores really quick here and the way that
- 42:39Speaker 1: we've been doing our time travel our time travel reviews
- 42:43Speaker 1: is we rate this in three different categories. We rate
- 42:46Speaker 1: this within how well did it do within the category,
- 42:49Speaker 1: which in this particular I think we can actually asks
- 42:52Speaker 1: this particular scoring because this was these are just bonus points.
- 42:54Speaker 1: This is Yeah, does the film obey its rules? And
- 43:00Speaker 1: then we score, of course, how well the movie did.
- 43:02Speaker 1: Let's start with let's start with obeying its rules, because
- 43:05Speaker 1: I think we both already have a conclusion on this one, Nick,
- 43:09Speaker 1: you lay it on me.
- 43:10Speaker 2: Yeah, this movie does not obey its one rule, which is,
- 43:14Speaker 2: you know, don't use the knowledge of the future to
- 43:16Speaker 2: change the past. This movie pretty much wants to do
- 43:18Speaker 2: that the whole time. And that's the whole reason for
- 43:20Speaker 2: even inventing time travel, which means it is completely contradicting
- 43:23Speaker 2: itself and disobeying its own rules, So it gets a
- 43:25Speaker 2: zero for the obeying its own rules category.
- 43:30Speaker 1: I believe the score is one through five.
- 43:32Speaker 2: Okay, fine, it gets a one.
- 43:37Speaker 1: It had rules and it didn't obey that. Yeah, I
- 43:42Speaker 1: will also give this a one. I actually wasn't even
- 43:45Speaker 1: aware that there were rules, Like I don't even remember
- 43:48Speaker 1: him talking about the one rule, which which really goes
- 43:51Speaker 1: to show you like how important that even was for
- 43:53Speaker 1: the film, which it clearly wasn't. So yeah, definitely a one. Yeah, Okay,
- 43:59Speaker 1: it's far the film goes like as far as, like
- 44:02Speaker 1: you know, watching it, I think I give it like
- 44:05Speaker 1: a three point five, Like it's it's pretty enjoyable. There
- 44:09Speaker 1: are there are some big plot holes in it. I
- 44:13Speaker 1: think what I was most worried about with revisiting a
- 44:16Speaker 1: rom com from like twenty eleven is how cringey rom
- 44:20Speaker 1: coms are built on cringiness, right, but some of that
- 44:23Speaker 1: cringe really marinates over time and gets extra cringey. And
- 44:29Speaker 1: for me, there was really only one part of the
- 44:31Speaker 1: movie that I really could not watch, and it was
- 44:33Speaker 1: unfortunately it was the end where they're about to blast
- 44:36Speaker 1: off on the boat, and you know, it's the classic
- 44:38Speaker 1: rom com move where like everyone on the sidelines is
- 44:41Speaker 1: like cheering for the couple, right, which is Jake Johnson's
- 44:44Speaker 1: always fist pumping into the air. But then the government
- 44:46Speaker 1: agents are there and like, for me, they totally ruin this,
- 44:48Speaker 1: Like they're just there. There's like all all like they
- 44:51Speaker 1: just look stupid as hell. I'm not sure why they're there,
- 44:55Speaker 1: you know what.
- 44:55Speaker 2: They maybe they accidentitely went to the future and those
- 45:00Speaker 2: governments are aliens from the future.
- 45:03Speaker 1: All right, new theory, that's them. They are the government
- 45:08Speaker 1: agents from the past or the future. And like they
- 45:10Speaker 1: went horribly wrong, was not guaranteed. Yeah, yeah, Kenneth ended
- 45:15Speaker 1: up as a black guy, Aubrey Claus as a white man.
- 45:18Speaker 1: Like it went bad. Like that's and that's why they're
- 45:20Speaker 1: trying to stop them. They're trying to stop them so
- 45:22Speaker 1: that that doesn't happen to them. That's gotta be it.
- 45:25Speaker 1: You know what, it was a time travel movie. They
- 45:27Speaker 1: were time travelers. I based that on evidence, No what.
- 45:32Speaker 2: I'd actually be. I applied to the thought that the
- 45:36Speaker 2: government officials were actually time travelers and they were trying
- 45:40Speaker 2: to stop uh Darius and Kenneth from time traveling because
- 45:48Speaker 2: when they do, they change like the world and something
- 45:53Speaker 2: goes wrong, and like those two government officials were actually
- 45:56Speaker 2: not government officials. They're just like time travelers, time travelers
- 45:59Speaker 2: trying to like save whatever place they're from. Because they're
- 46:04Speaker 2: so strange, they're almost like they're like cartoony. They're like
- 46:07Speaker 2: the they're like the robots in Tomorrowland that are like
- 46:12Speaker 2: chasing after they're like, you know, they're the robots basically
- 46:17Speaker 2: from that from the other dimension that are like chasing.
- 46:20Speaker 2: It's like a strange, like cartoony vibe anyway, whatever.
- 46:25Speaker 1: For some reason, they come off more cartoonish than the
- 46:28Speaker 1: actual time travel designer. I agree.
- 46:33Speaker 2: That's uh, that's a review. Do you have the scores
- 46:40Speaker 2: for ever for everything?
- 46:44Speaker 1: I do? Uh? And we can discuss that really quick,
- 46:47Speaker 1: so I actually don't even need to like tabulate this
- 46:51Speaker 1: any further, like given the sorry, actually, what was your
- 46:55Speaker 1: score on this movie?
- 46:57Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think I gave it. You're right, three
- 46:58Speaker 2: point two. Yeah, I don't think you did three point
- 47:00Speaker 2: three point two.
- 47:01Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that doesn't change much. So to go back
- 47:06Speaker 1: to our films really quick. So as a reminder, as
- 47:09Speaker 1: Nick said, this has been a project that we've been
- 47:11Speaker 1: doing for about two years now, which is absolutely crazy.
- 47:13Speaker 1: We started at around this time two years ago, was
- 47:17Speaker 1: it January? Two years ago is when we started, So like,
- 47:19Speaker 1: there you go, full circle, baby whoop whoop. And as
- 47:24Speaker 1: a reminder for the categories that we that we did,
- 47:28Speaker 1: we did Stuck in the Loop with Twelve Monkeys and
- 47:31Speaker 1: Harry Potter. We did time travel romance with About Time,
- 47:35Speaker 1: which I hate you for choosing that film that's moved
- 47:37Speaker 1: so good, Groundhop and Groundhog Day in time travel romance,
- 47:41Speaker 1: we did the classic time travel with Back to the
- 47:43Speaker 1: Future and Terminator two, Superhero time travel with Donnie Darko
- 47:48Speaker 1: and X Men, Days of Future Past comedy, and time
- 47:50Speaker 1: travel Midnight in Paris and Avengers Endgame. Yeah, secret secret
- 47:58Speaker 1: time travel, which was the time travel is surprise in
- 48:02Speaker 1: the movie which was Interstellar and Arrival. This was our
- 48:04Speaker 1: favorite category easily. And then of course picked the Unpicked
- 48:08Speaker 1: at the end here with uh safety Not Guaranteed and
- 48:12Speaker 1: then Tomorrow Land. Uh. The winner by a landside was
- 48:16Speaker 1: Nick in his time travel draft which we I think
- 48:21Speaker 1: your lowest. Your lowest was was pick Picked the Unpicked,
- 48:25Speaker 1: which was Tomorrow Land which we were both like, maybe
- 48:27Speaker 1: this isn't a time travel movie. This is like like
- 48:31Speaker 1: time is discussed at that movie. But yeah, it's it's not.
- 48:36Speaker 1: It really doesn't really happen as far as travel goes.
- 48:40Speaker 1: It is it is arguable whether or not it happens
- 48:43Speaker 1: in Safety Guarantees maybe, but uh, the are our most
- 48:49Speaker 1: are films that did the best on this draft were
- 48:52Speaker 1: were Interstellar, Terminator two, Let's see here, Arrival of course,
- 49:00Speaker 1: Yeah mid nine. Paris did a lot better than I
- 49:03Speaker 1: was expecting it to.
- 49:06Speaker 2: Yeah for a time from a movie, that movie does
- 49:08Speaker 2: a really good job.
- 49:10Speaker 1: Setting that's a better that's a better rom com than
- 49:14Speaker 1: Safety Not Guarantee.
- 49:15Speaker 2: Yeah, Paris is phenomenal. That's a phenomenon.
- 49:19Speaker 1: I love that movie. So I'm gonna watch me.
- 49:21Speaker 2: It really sets up its own rules really well on
- 49:23Speaker 2: pretty much obeys them and then also gives you, Yeah,
- 49:27Speaker 2: it's a good time. That's like, that's like a if
- 49:29Speaker 2: you want to peak time travel film that like, that's good.
- 49:33Speaker 2: That's a good example.
- 49:35Speaker 1: Anyway, cool Nick in a in a these films, uh,
- 49:40Speaker 1: some some of these films we were revisiting, some of
- 49:42Speaker 1: them were new to us. What was what was your
- 49:44Speaker 1: favorite film to explore during this time travel draft or
- 49:48Speaker 1: what was like surprising for you to explore.
- 49:52Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. I think honestly Twelve Monkeys
- 49:57Speaker 2: for multiple reasons.
- 49:58Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like Kelly, I'm so glad this is the answer.
- 50:01Speaker 2: I had never seen Twelve Monkeys until this draft, and
- 50:04Speaker 2: of all the time travel movis and went over, that
- 50:07Speaker 2: one still has the most question marks. And coincidentally, it's
- 50:10Speaker 2: our most viewed video from the time travel draft, like
- 50:14Speaker 2: and we'll link it in the show notes, the eight
- 50:17Speaker 2: minute video about like the ending explained of Twelve Monkeys,
- 50:19Speaker 2: which is very open ended depending on who you are,
- 50:23Speaker 2: and has a lot of controversy online still even to
- 50:26Speaker 2: this day, even with being like basically twenty years old.
- 50:29Speaker 2: So that was extremely fun to explore and really kind
- 50:34Speaker 2: of thinking it's really the only, probably the only movie
- 50:37Speaker 2: that leaves such a big question at the end, like
- 50:42Speaker 2: on what happens and what effects time has, and every
- 50:46Speaker 2: time you watch it you get something different, which is
- 50:47Speaker 2: also something that is like implied midway through the film.
- 50:50Speaker 2: So yeah, and it's so controversial that we're actually doing
- 50:54Speaker 2: a follow up to it, and that's actually our next
- 50:57Speaker 2: video is a follow up to our twelve Monkeys and
- 50:59Speaker 2: explained video.
- 51:00Speaker 1: Very excited about that.
- 51:01Speaker 2: You've deep dived on the script and some of the
- 51:04Speaker 2: source material, and so we'll get into that in our
- 51:06Speaker 2: next video. But what about what about you, Joe, what's
- 51:09Speaker 2: your most surprising or top one from the draft?
- 51:13Speaker 1: So maybe it's not that surprising. But I think the
- 51:17Speaker 1: revisiting this film, the one that had the bigges effect
- 51:19Speaker 1: on me was Interstellar. I knew that this movie was great,
- 51:22Speaker 1: like I remembered that, but I've only ever seen it
- 51:25Speaker 1: one time before because I never wanted to rewatch it
- 51:27Speaker 1: because of like how emotionally devastating it is. But in
- 51:31Speaker 1: rewatching it, I think, not only is it one of
- 51:33Speaker 1: like the better time travel films or time dilation films
- 51:38Speaker 1: whatever you know you want to say about that, well,
- 51:39Speaker 1: I guess there is time travel at the end. I
- 51:43Speaker 1: think it's honestly one of Nolan's best films, Like and
- 51:46Speaker 1: I don't think I had that opinion before, like going back,
- 51:50Speaker 1: like man did he do? Is do due diligence and
- 51:54Speaker 1: like I know people some people have a problem with
- 51:57Speaker 1: you know, the the vehicle at the end with like love.
- 52:00Speaker 1: But in rewatching that movie, that movie is air tight. Yeah,
- 52:04Speaker 1: especially like using the vehicle of love, like if you're
- 52:06Speaker 1: really paying attention to what they're saying at the end,
- 52:08Speaker 1: like it it works with whether you're disappointed about whether
- 52:11Speaker 1: or not that that works within like the realm of science,
- 52:14Speaker 1: it works in the narrative of the film incredibly well. Yeah,
- 52:19Speaker 1: so i'd say in revisiting that I did not remember
- 52:23Speaker 1: how well that that works. So I would say that
- 52:25Speaker 1: that was my biggest surprise back to the Future. I
- 52:29Speaker 1: could rewatch Back to the Future all day. And I'm
- 52:31Speaker 1: glad that it was on this draft. Yeah, I'm glad
- 52:34Speaker 1: that I picked it. There you go. It's probably one
- 52:36Speaker 1: of my favorite It was probably one of my favorite
- 52:37Speaker 1: movies I picked.
- 52:38Speaker 2: There you go. I love it. Yeah, hell of a draft.
- 52:41Speaker 2: Great conclusion.
- 52:43Speaker 1: Yeah, congratulations on winning on winning the time travel drafts, sir.
- 52:47Speaker 1: I actually thought I was going to dominate you with this.
- 52:49Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you to the victor. I appreciate it.
- 52:53Speaker 2: H It was fun, you know, And and we're going
- 52:55Speaker 2: to continue doing time travel movies because we both love
- 52:57Speaker 2: them so much, So that'll kind of be one of
- 52:59Speaker 2: the things we do when there's like, you know, just
- 53:01Speaker 2: kind of in between maybe major releases or other things
- 53:04Speaker 2: that we're like discussing and talking about. So with that
- 53:07Speaker 2: in mind, our next video is going to be a
- 53:09Speaker 2: follow up to the Twelve Monkeys ending explained video from
- 53:13Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago.
- 53:14Speaker 1: Uh.
- 53:15Speaker 2: You know, we've gone through a lot of source material
- 53:17Speaker 2: and watched some other Terry Gillen movies as well as
- 53:21Speaker 2: done watched the inspiration for this film from the writers,
- 53:28Speaker 2: which we'll get into that in the in the in
- 53:30Speaker 2: the video, But that's the next thing we're gonna do.
- 53:32Speaker 2: In the meantime, please like and subscribe here on YouTube,
- 53:35Speaker 2: where you can follow along with everything we're talking about.
- 53:38Speaker 2: You can find us on threads as well. And until
- 53:41Speaker 2: next time, friends, lay the review beat with you.
- 53:45Speaker 1: Peace.