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The Rita Panahi Show | 11 September · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn Leaves Oscrodio.
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Speaker 2: This is the Wader Panety Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show.
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Speaker 4: Coming up tonight the assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk.
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Speaker 4: The Great Douglas Murray, who was a friend of Charlie,
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Speaker 4: joins me on the program to remember the man who
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Speaker 4: many expected to be president one day. I'll also get
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Speaker 4: Daniel Wilde's reaction, and we'll also touch on Susan Lee's
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Speaker 4: decision to dumb assembly disas a prize from the Shadow
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Speaker 4: front Bench. I'll dive deeper into the dangerous growth of
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Speaker 4: political violence in the United States with Army Horowitz, and
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Speaker 4: later in the hour, Gabrielle Powell will join.
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Speaker 3: You with the media's reaction to Charlie Kirk's murder and
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Speaker 3: Left He's losing it has the media disgracing itself again.
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Speaker 2: This sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at
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Speaker 2: certain groups. And I always go back to hateful thoughts
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Speaker 2: lead to hateful world words, which then lead to hateful actions.
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Speaker 4: Let's start with the murder of conservative commentator and turning
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Speaker 4: point to USA founder Charlie Kirk. He was assassinated while
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Speaker 4: speaking to students at the University of Utah. He was
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Speaker 4: just thirty one years old and is survived by his wife, Erica,
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Speaker 4: and two children aged just three years and sixteen months.
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Speaker 4: One of the brightest and bravest voices of his generation,
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Speaker 4: he was known for his fierce advocacy of free speech
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Speaker 4: and conservative values. Charlie was instrumental in driving a conservative
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Speaker 4: renaissance among young people, particularly young men. He campaigned tirelessly
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Speaker 4: for the reelection of Donald Trump, and many saw him
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Speaker 4: as among the most influential voices in America today. He
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Speaker 4: was passionate about robust debate. He argued that we must
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Speaker 4: respectfully engage in discourse with our political opponents, and he
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Speaker 4: did just that. He held debates on college care campuses
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Speaker 4: where he would answer questions from progressive students and academics,
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Speaker 4: and he would often cop the most unhinged abuse without
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Speaker 4: resorting to abuse himself. Joining me now for more on
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Speaker 4: this is Deputy executive director at the Institute of Public
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Speaker 4: Affairs Daniel Wild. Dan Charlie Kirk is an enormous loss.
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Speaker 4: He has impact, He's influenced amongst young people. Really, I
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Speaker 4: find it difficult to think of someone else among conservative
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Speaker 4: ranks who matches him.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree. I mean he was, as you say,
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Speaker 5: really a voice of a generation. He was a living
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Speaker 5: and breathing embodiment of freedom of speech, someone who I
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Speaker 5: guess gave a modern spin on timeless conservative values and
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Speaker 5: was someone who really showed the value of open discourse,
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Speaker 5: particularly on university campuses. He also, in the space of
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Speaker 5: a decade, built up one of the largest political movements,
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Speaker 5: not only in America but in the Western world, and
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Speaker 5: was remarkable entrepreneur, somebody who I think grew with time
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Speaker 5: and became not only someone who could debate, but was
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Speaker 5: a serious intellect, you know, someone who understood history, understood
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Speaker 5: what it was that he was talking about. He wasn't
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Speaker 5: just someone who could give a ninety second SoundBite, but
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Speaker 5: someone who really understood American values and the importance of
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Speaker 5: Western civilization. And his loss is going to be very sadly, sadly.
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Speaker 4: Missed, and I think that's what's been underplayed a little
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Speaker 4: bit even today, is his fierce intellect. He wasn't just,
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Speaker 4: like you said, great for the SoundBite. He could get
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Speaker 4: into in depth debates and he knew his staff. He
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Speaker 4: came armed with information and he always did it with
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Speaker 4: such goodwill. He never created his intellect, and as the
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Speaker 4: left like to say, punched down, he always treated people
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Speaker 4: with respect, even people who didn't show him any respect.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's right, and I think this is a reflective
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Speaker 5: moment for the Western world. We've seen the rhetoric are
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Speaker 5: really been cranked up by the political left, and you know,
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Speaker 5: violence is often the end point of when you dehumanize
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Speaker 5: your political opponents, which is what the left have been doing.
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Speaker 5: Obviously they've done it to Donald Trump relentlessly, and there
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Speaker 5: were at least two attempts on his life that we
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Speaker 5: know of, and I'm sure there are many others that
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Speaker 5: have been foiled by the Secret Service. And I think
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Speaker 5: it's important that leadership on from left wing political parties
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Speaker 5: is aimed at actually seeing us as fellow humans and
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Speaker 5: fellow Australians or fellow Americans, rather than creating a permission
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Speaker 5: structure within which some deranged individuals take this to a
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Speaker 5: logical endpoint and choose violence.
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Speaker 4: Now, we've had a lot of commentary already today about
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Speaker 4: some of the media coverage of this assassination, some disgraceful
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Speaker 4: stuff from the US, but Australia as well. A lot
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Speaker 4: of the influences just posting ridiculous, hateful stuff, even in
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Speaker 4: the aftermath of this tragic murder and Australian so called
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Speaker 4: satire publication. Satire is supposed to be funny.
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Speaker 3: This is the chaser.
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Speaker 4: They decided it was a good idea to mock Kirk's
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Speaker 4: assassination and published an article with a title are you okay?
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Speaker 3: Day not going well? At turning point? What are your
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Speaker 3: thoughts on this? I'm all for dark humor, but it's
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Speaker 3: going to be funny. This isn't funny.
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Speaker 5: It's just callous and nasty it is, And I think
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Speaker 5: this is utterly shameful. I mean, at a minimum, have
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Speaker 5: some respect for Charlie's wife and his children. And again,
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Speaker 5: the point that I'm making here is that we need
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Speaker 5: to see our fellow humans as human beings who have lives,
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Speaker 5: and I think this sort of dehumanizing rhetoric will only
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Speaker 5: further increase the division that's in our society. I mean,
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Speaker 5: that's just completely and totally shameful. When I imagine that
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Speaker 5: they're going to have to apologize or there's going to
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Speaker 5: be some pretty severe.
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Speaker 4: Consequences, no one sees it these days, so I don't
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Speaker 4: think they've got too much to worry about now. Well,
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Speaker 4: here is shortly from President Donald Trump, who has paid
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Speaker 4: tribute to Charlie Kirk. But the British Prime Minister Kirs
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Speaker 4: Starma also posted a tribute. He posted this on x
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Speaker 4: HES and my thoughts this evening are with the loved
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Speaker 4: ones of Charlie Kirk. It is heartbreaking that a young
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Speaker 4: family has been robbed of a father and a husband.
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Speaker 4: We must all be free to debate openly and freely
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Speaker 4: without fear. There can be no justification for political violence.
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Speaker 4: That's all well and good to say, Daniel, But Charlie
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Speaker 4: Kirk would possibly be arrested, probably would be arrested in
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Speaker 4: the UK for speaking freely without fear and stating uncomfortable
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Speaker 4: truths that you can't say in England anymore.
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Speaker 5: Well, you're right, and I know that there are concerns
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Speaker 5: in the UK about political violence. I know for a
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Speaker 5: fact that Nigel Farage is concerned about the way that
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Speaker 5: UK society is going. And you're right to point out
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Speaker 5: that I think the UK has gone further than any
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Speaker 5: other Western nation in criminalizing free speech when people put
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Speaker 5: things on Facebook or other social media than they have
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Speaker 5: the police knocking at their door.
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Speaker 3: So how can Kiirstar.
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Speaker 5: I mean, those words are fine words, which I share,
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Speaker 5: but how can he say that.
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Speaker 3: They're empty though they're empty. He's the Prime Minister who's
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Speaker 3: overseen some of them.
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Speaker 5: He needs to put those words into practice.
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Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely, especially after what we saw with Graham lyn
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Speaker 4: And being arrested for something he posted whilst he was
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Speaker 4: in Arizona. Not that it should be a problem wherever
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Speaker 4: he posts it now to local matters, Susan Lee's decision
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Speaker 4: to drop just into a Nampa Jipper Price from the
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Speaker 4: front bench, I said yesterday, it's more a deeming two point. Oh,
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Speaker 4: the parallels are strong and numerous, Daniel. The Liberal Party,
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Speaker 4: whether it's at state level at federal level, they're slow learners.
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Speaker 4: I mean, how do they keep making these same mistakes?
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Speaker 5: Well, I think you know some have said just Enterprice
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Speaker 5: made a mistake, and I agree she did make a mistake.
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Speaker 5: She made the mistake of thinking that she's allowed to
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Speaker 5: debate mass migration and the potential political consequences of mass migration.
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Speaker 5: I've not seen the words that she has said that
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Speaker 5: she's supposed to apologize for.
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Speaker 4: I've read the full transcript, I've listened to the interview.
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Speaker 4: There is nothing they're worthy of apology. There's nothing there
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Speaker 4: that's racist. I don't know why she put out that clarification.
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Speaker 4: I thought that was unnecessary. She was obviously under pressure
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Speaker 4: to do so. But what exactly is the great crime here?
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Speaker 5: Well, that's the question for the leadership of the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 5: What exactly is that she said that you want her
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Speaker 5: to apologize for the media sparted as if she was
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Speaker 5: attacking Indians, which obviously she was not doing that. And look,
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Speaker 5: the point I make here is that nobody has stood
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Speaker 5: up more for the equality of all Australians than just Enterprise.
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Speaker 5: It is Anthony Abernezi in the Labor Party that are
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Speaker 5: engaging in ugly ethnic politics. They did that with the
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Speaker 5: Voice to Parliament. This whole debate started, don't forget with
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Speaker 5: a Labor polster Cos Samaras who said that a majority
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Speaker 5: of Indians are voting Labor. Now, as your colleague Rowandine
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Speaker 5: pointed out, who asked him to do that polling? Did
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Speaker 5: Labor ask him to do that polling? And if so,
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Speaker 5: why did they commission that polling? So Labor are the
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Speaker 5: masters of ethnic segmentation and division. It was just Enterprise
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Speaker 5: who stood up for equality. We know that actually non
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Speaker 5: migrants were more likely to know to the voice than
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Speaker 5: non migrants because many have left societies that were based
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Speaker 5: on racial conflict and sectarian divisions. So those are the
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Speaker 5: points that should have been made by the Liberal Party leadership.
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Speaker 4: And you know what, this time, I actually don't think
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Speaker 4: this outrage has been manufactured by the media and the
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Speaker 4: more a deeming case. I think that was a big
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Speaker 4: part of the story. This seems to be led by
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Speaker 4: the bedweatherers and the Liberal Party. They're the ones who
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Speaker 4: are prolonging this story. And of course labor and the
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Speaker 4: Greens want to make all sorts of wild accusations, but
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Speaker 4: it's the Liberals have really given oxygen to this story.
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Speaker 4: And while we're still talking about it, Dan Wild, thank
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Speaker 4: you so much for your time joining me now. Is
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Speaker 4: the author of groundbreaking works, international best sellers. His latest
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Speaker 4: on democracies and death cults Douglas Murray. So let's start
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Speaker 4: with the murder of Charlie Kirk, one of the brightest
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Speaker 4: and bravest voices of his generation. A genuinely decent man,
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Speaker 4: a father of two, shot dead at the age of
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Speaker 4: thirty one at the type of event that had really
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Speaker 4: become synonymous with his name. He understood the importance of
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Speaker 4: robust debate, of maintaining dialogue with your ideological opponents.
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Speaker 6: When people stop talking, really bad stuff, So when marriages
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Speaker 6: start parking. The worst happens when civilizations start talking civil
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Speaker 6: warrings is when you stop having a human connection with
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Speaker 6: someone you disagree with, it becomes a lot easier to
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Speaker 6: want to commit violence against that group. What we as
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Speaker 6: a culture have to get back to is being able
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Speaker 6: to have a reasonable disagreement where violence is not an option.
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Speaker 4: Douglas, this is a heartbreaking, unimaginable loss.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're speaking just a few hours after the murder
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Speaker 1: of child Kirk, and it was like everyone my thoughts
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Speaker 1: with Charlie, but also his wife, his young wife, and
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Speaker 1: his two young children that he leaves behind. It's an extraordinary,
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Speaker 1: appalling act of violence. And I wish I could say
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Speaker 1: that it's completely un completely surprising, but it isn't, because,
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Speaker 1: of course, we've had assassination attempts on President Trump, who
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk has been a very vocal supporter and ally
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Speaker 1: of for many years now, and there have been many
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Speaker 1: threats over the years against Charlie himself. What we just
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Speaker 1: heard him saying in that video is something that Charlie
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Speaker 1: said often, and it's completely true. He spent a lot
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Speaker 1: of his energies since he first came onto the scene
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Speaker 1: at the young age of about eighteen or so and
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Speaker 1: found it turning point. Since then, he had always made
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Speaker 1: an effort to dress this point that yes, you need
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Speaker 1: to be able to talk, you need to have differences
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Speaker 1: of opinion out in the public square, and that it
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Speaker 1: is the best way to avoid a dissent into political violence.
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Speaker 1: And although he made that point so often, so many
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Speaker 1: of his critics, most of whom I suspect, really never
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Speaker 1: listened to anything that Charlie said, demonized him, misrepresented him,
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Speaker 1: and did that classic thing that unfortunately so much of
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Speaker 1: the left does, which is to regard their political opponents
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Speaker 1: not just as wrong, but as evil. And this is
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Speaker 1: something that many of us have pointed out over the years.
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Speaker 1: Most conservatives tend to think that the left is wrong,
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Speaker 1: but not that it is certainly not in its entirety evil,
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Speaker 1: but that favor is not returned the other way around.
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Speaker 1: And so we have people routinely claiming that mainstream conservative
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Speaker 1: voices like Charlie Kirks are somehow extreme and that they
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Speaker 1: somehow themselves are causing harm. Think of all the people
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Speaker 1: in recent years Charlie has talked about who you and
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Speaker 1: I read to have talked about who have said that
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Speaker 1: words are violence, and that countering ideas or questioning ideas
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Speaker 1: is literally killing people and much more. Well, here we
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Speaker 1: see once again the reality of it. Words are not violence.
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Speaker 1: Shooting somebody in the throat is violence. And I really
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Speaker 1: hope that a moment like this, as well as thinking
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Speaker 1: of Charlie and his family, people think if they're on
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Speaker 1: the side that has been ding their opponents to such
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Speaker 1: an extent and dehumanizing them, I hope they think themselves
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Speaker 1: about the fruits of their own words.
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Speaker 3: And Charlie was rare.
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Speaker 4: He had the ability to persuade so many from across
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Speaker 4: the political divide.
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Speaker 3: That's rare these days.
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Speaker 4: It made him enormously influential, particularly amongst young men and Douglas.
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Speaker 4: It was such a wholesome message at its heart, it
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Speaker 4: was about prioritizing family and religion and truth.
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Speaker 3: And you spoke about the hate he received.
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Speaker 4: It was so unhinged, so ugly, A lot of it
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Speaker 4: from media and it continued even after he was shot.
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Speaker 4: Let me play you a little of the discussion on
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Speaker 4: MSNBC earlier today.
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Speaker 2: He's been one of the most divasive, especially devisive younger
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Speaker 2: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
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Speaker 2: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed.
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Speaker 1: At certain groups.
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Speaker 2: And I always got back to hateful thoughts lead to
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Speaker 2: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions.
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Speaker 4: I'm not going to say what I want to say.
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Speaker 4: What's your response, Douglas to what you just heard? That
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Speaker 4: was Matthew Dad on MSNBC earlier.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean the obvious thing is to make a
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Speaker 1: rhetorical point about what Dowd said there, which is, what
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Speaker 1: if somebody had hateful thoughts about him, What if his
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Speaker 1: hateful words that he said just there led to somebody
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Speaker 1: shooting him or loved one of his or a friend
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Speaker 1: of his in the throat, would he exercise the same
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Speaker 1: attempt at logical consistency then? I would think not probably,
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Speaker 1: but yes, that is an absolutely classic example of smearing
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Speaker 1: the only just dead. And what Matthew Dowd said there
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Speaker 1: is completely shameful. And if an MSNBC had any shame,
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Speaker 1: they would have said that immediately to him and taken
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Speaker 1: him off the air. What Charlie Kirk argued for throughout
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Speaker 1: his public life, which was effectory throughout his adult life,
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Speaker 1: were very straightforward things that were not controversial until very
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Speaker 1: very recently. For instance, what this ignoramus Dowd thinks is
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Speaker 1: controversial if he bothered ever to listen to anything that
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk said, and I doubt he did before deciding
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Speaker 1: to smear him before his corpses cold. What Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 1: said were things like there are two sexes, there are
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Speaker 1: men and there are women. He said, is a tremendous
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Speaker 1: country and he was enormously proud of it and an
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Speaker 1: extraordinary patriot. That wasn't Neither of these things were controversial
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Speaker 1: until very very recently. Charlie Kirk argued for biblical values,
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Speaker 1: for Judeo Christian values, that wasn't controversial until extremely recently.
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Speaker 1: None of what Charlie Kirk argued for was in any
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Speaker 1: way hateful, and I wish, as I say that people
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Speaker 1: like Dowd, MSNBC and many others realize that the hate
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Speaker 1: has been so disproportionately coming from them. It's them who
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Speaker 1: say that, saying that America is a good country is
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Speaker 1: somehow hateful. It's them that says that saying that there
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Speaker 1: are two biological sexes is somehow hateful. No, it isn't.
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Speaker 1: None of that was ever hateful. It was a statement
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Speaker 1: of fact or of opinion, and that used to be
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Speaker 1: allowed in America, and that used to be respected in America.
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Speaker 1: And it's a terrible, terrible demonstration of where America and
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Speaker 1: the wests has come to that the statement of obvious
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Speaker 1: truths and the statement of opinions that millions and millions
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Speaker 1: of people hold fast too, should be smeared in this way.
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Speaker 3: Doubt said plenty more.
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Speaker 4: And there's been other media outlets who have disgraced themselves today.
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Speaker 4: Just to clarify, he made those comments after Charlie was shot,
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Speaker 4: but before his death was announced. But shameful at any
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Speaker 4: time to be saying that, to be blaming the victim
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Speaker 4: for speaking the truth, Douglas, The next generation of young
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Speaker 4: men in particular, are becoming increasingly conservative, increasingly right wing,
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Speaker 4: rejected so much of the leftist ideology that's been shoved
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Speaker 4: down their throats by their culture, by schools and universities,
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Speaker 4: and like yourself, Charlie Kirk has played a significant role
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Speaker 4: in that in opening the eyes of so many young Americans,
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Speaker 4: young people across the West, and making them unafraid to speak,
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Speaker 4: making them say their opinions boldly, and putting forward an
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Speaker 4: alternative view to the prevailing dogma. And Douglas he always
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Speaker 4: did it so politely, even in the face of terrible abuse.
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Speaker 4: I used to play videos on this program all the time,
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Speaker 4: the interactions where he would cop this ugly, unhinged abuse,
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Speaker 4: and he would always remain calm and politely dismantle the
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Speaker 4: radical left's arguments in the face of terrible abuse. And
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Speaker 4: they still shot him, no matter how much he spoke
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Speaker 4: about the importance of dialogue, about not demonizing your opponents,
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Speaker 4: about engaging and making sure that we're at a point
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Speaker 4: where we can still talk to each other, and they
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Speaker 4: still shot him.
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Speaker 1: We'll find out who they is, I suppose in the
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Speaker 1: coming hours and days. I think that whoever the shooter
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Speaker 1: turns out to be, I do hope that people who
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Speaker 1: listened to Charlie, who were inspired by him. He was
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Speaker 1: an extraordinary communicator. I mean, his success has earned success
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Speaker 1: over the years of his adult life came about because
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Speaker 1: he had an enormous skill at speaking two people and
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Speaker 1: four people, and he was enormously persuasive. He was enormously
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Speaker 1: skilled and talented, and, as I say it needs to
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Speaker 1: be said again, an incredible patriot. I hope that after
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Speaker 1: this there will be many people, I suspect, particularly young
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Speaker 1: people who learned a lot from Charlie, admired Charlie, and
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Speaker 1: much more, who will be tempted at a moment like
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Speaker 1: this to sink to the kind of level that they
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Speaker 1: perceive in their opponents. I think these moments can be
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Speaker 1: real crossroads, and I hope that all of those young
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Speaker 1: men and women across America and elsewhere who were inspired
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Speaker 1: and educated and informed by Charlie realize that their task
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Speaker 1: now is to pick up where he left off and
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Speaker 1: to emulate what he did, and to emulate the courtesy,
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Speaker 1: the patriotism, the decency that he showed in his public life,
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Speaker 1: and that they don't sink into the kind of behavior
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Speaker 1: which they see among their opponents. I hope that is
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Speaker 1: the case, because you say, Eta, Charlie always demonstrated such
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Speaker 1: considerable courtesy and decency even to his political opponents who
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Speaker 1: were screaming abuse at him, and much more so, it
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Speaker 1: could be as I says, is only hours after this
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Speaker 1: terrible news has come through. It could be one of
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Speaker 1: those moments where some people sink down and meet their
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Speaker 1: opponents on their opponents' terms. But it would be a
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Speaker 1: much better thing for America and for all of us.
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Speaker 1: I think if we rise above that and remember that
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Speaker 1: what Charlie said and was saying right up until the
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Speaker 1: moment he was shod remains as true now as it
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Speaker 1: was all these years, which is that, yes, we need
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Speaker 1: to be able to explot ideas, we need to be
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Speaker 1: able to talk, we need to be able to talk
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Speaker 1: across divides, and that if we lose that then people
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Speaker 1: resort to violence. And how terrible it is that something
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Speaker 1: that he perceived so clearly and said so often should
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Speaker 1: be something which has now been proven by the evil
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Speaker 1: person who's taken his life away.
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Speaker 4: And he was always so brave he would He talked
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Speaker 4: about speaking truth, and in the past week he has
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Speaker 4: spoken a lot of truth, a lot of uncomfortable truths
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Speaker 4: about crime in the US, particularly after the murder of
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Speaker 4: the Ukrainian young Ukrainian woman down in North Carolina and
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Speaker 4: the media's reluctance initially to touch that story at all,
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Speaker 4: the overrepresentation of a segment of the population in the
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Speaker 4: violent crime stats. So many really crucial issues, Douglas, that
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Speaker 4: should be spoken about. But yes, the media is perhaps
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Speaker 4: afraid to. So many commentators don't want to be cast
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Speaker 4: as racist or bigots, or be called hateful like Charlie
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Speaker 4: was for stating facts, for stating facts that may be uncomfortable.
24:19
Speaker 4: But how are you going to ever tackle these issues
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Speaker 4: if you don't actually even acknowledge them.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely? And what happens if you don't acknowledge issues which
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Speaker 1: are staring everyone in the face is you push them
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Speaker 1: down under and they bubble away and evil things come up.
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Speaker 7: You seed.
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Speaker 1: An evil harvest when you do that. I suppose there's
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Speaker 1: one other thing I would say about that, which is
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Speaker 1: that after an act of violence like this, as well
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Speaker 1: as great anger and great rage, which many people will have,
24:53
Speaker 1: there will be some people who will feel in some
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Speaker 1: way afraid or cowed by this. They may not admit
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Speaker 1: to it, they may not wish to explore it, but
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Speaker 1: it's understandable. There was no reason why somebody saying what
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk said should ever have been the subject of violence,
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Speaker 1: the object of violence. But I hope that people realize
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Speaker 1: again that although at such a moment they can, they
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Speaker 1: might feel it's a good time to pipe down or
25:25
Speaker 1: not make themselves a target, that actually the much better
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Speaker 1: thing to do is to everyone, for everyone to be
25:32
Speaker 1: a bit more courageous, for everyone to be a bit
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Speaker 1: stronger in standing up for what they believe to be true,
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Speaker 1: for stating facts that they see before their eyes, by
25:45
Speaker 1: getting out there, by making their voices heard. You know,
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Speaker 1: I think often of after a previous assassination a good
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Speaker 1: decade ago, and the offices of Charlie Ebdoor. I remember
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Speaker 1: but what my friend Ianne Hersey Ali said, and perhaps
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Speaker 1: it's as applicable now as it was then, which is
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Speaker 1: that if there are people who seem to be in
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Speaker 1: this position that Charlie found himself in, of being this
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Speaker 1: object of hate, as the cartoonists in the Editors of
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Speaker 1: Charlie Ebdo were a decade ago, I hope that people
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Speaker 1: remember now what I an said then, which is the
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Speaker 1: best thing is to spread the risk around. If people
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Speaker 1: are going to believe that it's respectable or reasonable to
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Speaker 1: target conservative voices with violence, let's all speak up a
26:42
Speaker 1: bit more. Let's all take a step forward. People don't
26:46
Speaker 1: need to be heroes or martyrs or anything, but they
26:49
Speaker 1: could be a bit more heroic and speak up a
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Speaker 1: bit more and be proud a bit more for the
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Speaker 1: things you should feel pride in, like your nature. And
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Speaker 1: if people do that, that would be in the midst
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Speaker 1: of this It's awful time. It would be a tribute
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Speaker 1: and one which I think Charlie would himself be very
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Speaker 1: proud of.
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Speaker 4: Beautifully said, and I think you're so right. Let's step
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Speaker 4: up and spread the risk. Douglas Murray, thank you so
27:23
Speaker 4: much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 3: It's a pleasure still to come.
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Speaker 4: Lefties Losing It pass a deep dive into the dangerous
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Speaker 4: growth of political violence in the United States.
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Speaker 3: Army Horowitz from teen X.
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Speaker 4: You're watching the Reader pannih Show and it's time for
27:46
Speaker 4: Lefties Losing It, And tonight's edition of Lefties will feature
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Speaker 4: some of the ugliness, some of the utter depravity that
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Speaker 4: has followed the murder of Charlie kirk Ay, a thoroughly
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Speaker 4: decent principal man brutally murdered today and the soulless schools
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Speaker 4: of the left were quick to celebrate.
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Speaker 8: And there are a lot of people that are like,
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Speaker 8: no matter what side of politics you're on, you should
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Speaker 8: never celebrate something bad happening to someone. I, on the
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Speaker 8: other hand, do cheer when bad things happen to bad people.
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Speaker 9: Charlie Kirk just got shot. Oh well, breaking news, folks,
28:25
Speaker 9: seem somebody just took a shot at one of the
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Speaker 9: Phanta fastest favorite five mile wide mouthpieces, Charles Chuckle Kirk.
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Speaker 4: And sadly, the vile left has not been shy about
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Speaker 4: showcasing their ugliness, their utter callous depravity.
28:46
Speaker 3: This is what leftism does to your mind and soul.
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Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk got shot and killed.
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Speaker 8: How do you feel?
28:51
Speaker 10: Happy?
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Speaker 9: Goodbye?
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Speaker 10: Wow?
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Speaker 1: Did you see that?
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Speaker 6: Charlie Kirk just got shot and killed?
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Speaker 1: That's okay, Wow, that's good.
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Speaker 10: Its good.
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Speaker 1: The people are getting shoge yourself in political view.
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Speaker 2: Partly Kirk gets shot and killed. Today, we're just getting
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Speaker 2: people's opinions.
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Speaker 11: How do you feel about that?
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Speaker 9: Girl?
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Speaker 3: Someone had to do it, and that's how I feel
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Speaker 3: at this point in time.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, I appreciate your honesty.
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Speaker 2: I truly do so.
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Speaker 1: You said someone had to do it. Yes, try not
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Speaker 1: to get all pulled up into that.
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Speaker 7: But he was a misogynist.
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Speaker 8: He was a disgusting person with disgusting beliefs.
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Speaker 4: Enough of that trash, Let's look at how the media
29:29
Speaker 4: professionals covered this tragic event, this act of domestic terrorism.
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Speaker 3: Here is MSNBC in which are shooting like this happens?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and again emphasize what you just emphasize. We don't
29:42
Speaker 2: know any of the full details of this that. We
29:44
Speaker 2: don't know if this was a supporter or shooting their
29:46
Speaker 2: gun off in celebration or so, we have no idea.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty sure we knew immediately it wasn't that.
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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk's supporters don't go around shooting their guns in
29:57
Speaker 4: celebration like they're attending some wedding in your life.
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Speaker 3: And of course.
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Speaker 4: MSNBC had to engage in victim blaming by cooling Charlie device.
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Speaker 10: Charlie Kirk is a divisive figure, polarizing, lightning, raw, whatever
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Speaker 10: term you want to use.
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Speaker 11: Why, Well, he's one of maga's most prominent voices onliney
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Speaker 11: hosts in your Daily podcast.
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Speaker 3: But that was just stupid.
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Speaker 4: What I'm about to play you is straight out depraved,
30:27
Speaker 4: disgusting commentary. This is Matthew Dad again on MSNBC. Not
30:32
Speaker 4: long after Charlie was shot.
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Speaker 2: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger
30:38
Speaker 2: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this
30:43
Speaker 2: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.
30:46
Speaker 2: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to
30:51
Speaker 2: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I
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Speaker 2: think that's the environment we're in that people just you
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Speaker 2: can't stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have
31:01
Speaker 2: and then saying these awful words and not expect awful
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Speaker 2: actions to take place.
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Speaker 1: And that's the fortunate environment we're in.
31:09
Speaker 4: That was so vile, so hateful and frankly deranged and
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Speaker 4: dangerous that even MSNBC had to take some action and
31:18
Speaker 4: they've sacked Matthew Dad, but it's MSNBC.
31:21
Speaker 3: It may be back before the end of the month, and.
31:24
Speaker 4: The asenine commentary wasn't restricted to commentators on MSNBC. Governors
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Speaker 4: joined in. Here is the rotand governor of crime riddled
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Speaker 4: in Illinois.
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Speaker 3: Blaming President Trump.
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Speaker 4: The man Charlie Kirk worked tirelessly to re elect Governor
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Speaker 4: Pritzker blames Donald Trump for fomenting political violence.
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Speaker 11: Political violence, unfortunately, has been ratcheting up in this country.
31:50
Speaker 11: We saw the shootings, the killings in Minnesota. We've seen
31:54
Speaker 11: other political violence occur in other states, and I would
31:59
Speaker 11: just say it's got to stop. And I think there
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Speaker 11: are people who are fomenting it in this country. I
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Speaker 11: think the president's rhetoric often foments it.
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Speaker 4: Did that Nincom poop really mention the Minnesota shooter, the
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Speaker 4: trans identified lunatic who shot children in a Catholic school
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Speaker 4: and wanted to kill Donald Trump? Yeah, it's Trump who
32:19
Speaker 4: was almost killed by an assassin's bullet. Who is to
32:22
Speaker 4: blame for leftist violence? Not these not these lefties losing it.
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Speaker 6: He insulted, your wife, he's on the escalator and callt
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Speaker 6: Mexican's rapist emmers.
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Speaker 2: He said, well, what do you think of to do?
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Speaker 12: So?
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Speaker 4: I think you should punsh him in the face and
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Speaker 4: then gotten out of the race.
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Speaker 3: You would have been a hero. I'd like to punch
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Speaker 3: him in the face.
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Speaker 1: I said, if we're in high school, I take you
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Speaker 1: behind the gym and beat the hell.
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Speaker 13: Out of him.
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Speaker 10: Punt some people in the face. When was the last
32:43
Speaker 10: time an actor assassinated a president?
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Speaker 13: They're still going to have to go out and put
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Speaker 13: a bullet in Donald Trump, and that's a fact.
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Speaker 12: Look as his character is stabbed to death.
32:55
Speaker 3: Where is John Wilke's booth when you need.
33:02
Speaker 11: I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the
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Speaker 11: White House.
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Speaker 12: I will go and take Trump out to night. And
33:10
Speaker 12: if you see anybody from that cabinet in a.
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Speaker 14: Restaurant, in a department, staff, at.
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Speaker 3: A gasoline station.
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Speaker 6: You get out and you create a cloud, and you
33:22
Speaker 6: goes back on them and you tell.
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Speaker 1: Them then welcome anyway anywhere.
33:29
Speaker 4: President Donald Trump has called the murder of Charlie Kirk
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Speaker 4: a dark moment for America.
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Speaker 12: To my great fellow Americans, I am filled with grief
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Speaker 12: and anger at the heinous assassination of Charlie Kirk on
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Speaker 12: a college campus in Utah. Charlie inspired millions in tonight.
33:48
Speaker 12: All who knew him and loved him are united in
33:52
Speaker 12: shock and horror. This is a dark moment for America.
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Speaker 12: Charlie Kirk traveled the nation, joyfully engaging with everyone interested
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Speaker 12: in good faith debate. His mission was to bring young
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Speaker 12: people into the political process, which he did better than
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Speaker 12: anybody ever, to share his love of country, and to
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Speaker 12: spread the simple words of common sense on campuses nationwide.
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Speaker 12: He championed his ideas with courage, logic, humor, and grace.
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Speaker 4: And the President noted the spate of deadly political violence
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Speaker 4: from the left. He called such acts, including the assassination
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Speaker 4: of Charlie Kirk, as acts of domestic terrorism.
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Speaker 12: It's a long past time for all Americans and the
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Speaker 12: media to confront the fact that violence and murder are
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Speaker 12: the tragic consequence of demonizing those with whom you disagree,
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Speaker 12: day after day, year after year, in the most hateful
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Speaker 12: and despicable way possible. For years, those on the radical
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Speaker 12: left have come compared wonderful Americans like Charlie too Nazis.
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Speaker 12: From the attack on my life in Butler, Pennsylvania last year,
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Speaker 12: which killed their husband and father, to the attacks on
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Speaker 12: ice agents, to the vicious murder of a healthcare executive
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Speaker 12: in the streets of New York, to the shooting of
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Speaker 12: House Majority leader Steve Scalise and three others. Radical of
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Speaker 12: political violence has hurt too many innocent people and taken
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Speaker 12: too many lives. Charlie was the best of America, and
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Speaker 12: the monster who attacked him was attacking our whole country.
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Speaker 12: An assassin tried to silence him with a bullet, but
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Speaker 12: he failed, because together we will ensure that his voice,
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Speaker 12: his message, and his legacy will live on for countless
35:45
Speaker 12: generations to come.
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Speaker 4: Let's bring in documentary filmmaker and commentator Army Horowitz.
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Speaker 3: Army, this is a dark day for America.
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Speaker 4: I don't think those celebrating Charlie Kirk's assassination and I've
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Speaker 4: seen sadly a lot of that on social media, and
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Speaker 4: I think most people understand what they have unleashed. The anger,
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Speaker 4: the sadness over this assassination is profound.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I think you're right. And before I spit fire
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Speaker 14: and believe me that, I will, let me take a
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Speaker 14: step back and talk about Charlie for a moment into
36:25
Speaker 14: some personal anecdotes. I considered him a friend, even though
36:30
Speaker 14: we were a generation apart. He was somebody that if
36:32
Speaker 14: I had a question or some advice, I had to
36:35
Speaker 14: call them and reach out to him. He's so generous
36:37
Speaker 14: with his time. The first time I met him, God,
36:40
Speaker 14: it was well over ten years ago, made thirteen, fourteen
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Speaker 14: years ago. He was a teenager, he was just starting
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Speaker 14: turning point. I think we met at at prager U
36:48
Speaker 14: conference in California and somebody introduced the two of us,
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Speaker 14: so This is a guy you should know. His name
36:53
Speaker 14: is Charlie Kirk. He's a comer and Charlie had been
36:57
Speaker 14: fundraising for Turning Point USA, right was to see the
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Speaker 14: beginning of this organization. And in our conversation he was
37:05
Speaker 14: talking about the people he's raising money for him while
37:07
Speaker 14: he was there, and for anyone who knows who raises
37:09
Speaker 14: money was investors who keep those things close to your
37:11
Speaker 14: vest Right, that's the lifeblood, the money that keeps and
37:14
Speaker 14: creates the organization you're creating. And he mentioned one of
37:17
Speaker 14: these billionaires that he raised some money from, and I
37:20
Speaker 14: just mentioned, just casually, it's a great guy, great money
37:22
Speaker 14: for I've been trying to reach him for years, not
37:24
Speaker 14: even asking for a favor. And he immediately said, here's
37:28
Speaker 14: the guy's cell phone number, give him a call. I'm
37:30
Speaker 14: sure you're happy to help. Okay, that was the kind
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Speaker 14: of guy Charlie Kirk was, Okay, a friend to all,
37:38
Speaker 14: a hater of no one. He criticized people, but he
37:41
Speaker 14: did not have hatred in his heart, which makes this
37:43
Speaker 14: even more even more difficult. Look, I have all types
37:48
Speaker 14: of friends, right. I have friends on the far right,
37:50
Speaker 14: I have friends in the far left. I have friends
37:52
Speaker 14: everywhere in between. And I got to tell you, Rita,
37:56
Speaker 14: it is I am scared to call some of my
37:59
Speaker 14: friends on the center left, never mind the far left,
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Speaker 14: to talk about this. I'm afraid what they're gonna say.
38:06
Speaker 14: Going over the social media, going over Instagram and and
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Speaker 14: Facebook and Twitter, and listening to what people are saying,
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Speaker 14: even on the mainstream media. I heard you talk about
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Speaker 14: MSNBC over and over again. I think it's important to
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Speaker 14: note the callousness in which they're covering. This saddens me
38:23
Speaker 14: and scares me. And and if a friend of mine
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Speaker 14: said to me, oh, I'm so happy Charlie Kirk is dead,
38:28
Speaker 14: I don't know if I could talk that person again.
38:30
Speaker 14: I gotta be honest with you, Rita. It's just one divide,
38:34
Speaker 14: and it's blaming the It's so funny. It's the left
38:37
Speaker 14: blaming the victim right. He deserved it what he said.
38:40
Speaker 14: By the way, he wasn't an alt right figure. He
38:43
Speaker 14: was a mainstream Republican right. He believed in family values.
38:49
Speaker 14: He believed that if you're a woman, you're a woman.
38:51
Speaker 14: If you're a man, if you're a man. He didn't
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Speaker 14: have hate in his heart. He was about openness, to
38:56
Speaker 14: get a free speech road show right where he went
38:59
Speaker 14: to engage people on the left, not them, demonize the more,
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Speaker 14: attack them to find out what they thought, you know.
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Speaker 14: And this, I gotta say this. You know, we talked
39:07
Speaker 14: about the violence of the left over and over again.
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Speaker 14: I hate it, but we keep talking about it because
39:11
Speaker 14: it's a recurring theme in our political landscape. And this
39:16
Speaker 14: is another example of that truth that the political violence
39:19
Speaker 14: we've seen mostly, not exclusively, but mostly comes from the left,
39:23
Speaker 14: and we see on the right what that actually is
39:25
Speaker 14: the exception that proves the rule right. And I want
39:28
Speaker 14: to go back for a second to Lewis Mangioni, because
39:31
Speaker 14: I gotta say, every time I think about Charlie's death,
39:33
Speaker 14: I think about Louis Magngioni, that to me was really
39:36
Speaker 14: in the pun is intended the turning point to this,
39:39
Speaker 14: because it was when he was murdered that this man
39:41
Speaker 14: who was a healthcare executive, he wasn't even a political figure, right,
39:45
Speaker 14: he didn't have, as far as I know, any political thoughts,
39:48
Speaker 14: certainly not publicly.
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Speaker 10: Right.
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Speaker 14: He was using businessman who was murdered because he happened
39:52
Speaker 14: to be in the industry. The left in light Okay,
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Speaker 14: and the and the mainstream left. Vita, we're talking about
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Speaker 14: how wonderful it was and joked about the killing of
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Speaker 14: this business executive that to me was a significant change
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Speaker 14: in our political culture. Our campuses are Look, as you know,
40:13
Speaker 14: I'm no stranger to violence for the political left. I've
40:16
Speaker 14: been attacked physically on a university campus not that long ago,
40:21
Speaker 14: because why because I raised the American flag. Look, you
40:24
Speaker 14: said it. This is something they've unleashed, something dark and terrible,
40:28
Speaker 14: and I'm afraid of what's to come.
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Speaker 3: I'm with you one hundred percent.
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Speaker 4: If I hear anybody in my orbit express any sort
40:38
Speaker 4: of joy or try to justify this murder their couch,
40:45
Speaker 4: you can't have people like.
40:46
Speaker 3: That in your life.
40:46
Speaker 4: That's just pure evil. Why would you want to have
40:49
Speaker 4: that in your circle? And like you said, Charlie was
40:53
Speaker 4: hardly a radical. He just expressed very much mainstream views,
40:58
Speaker 4: things like there's only two genders, that people should get
41:02
Speaker 4: married and raise kids, so that's where you find your
41:06
Speaker 4: greatest happiness. He wasn't some five brand with radical ideas,
41:11
Speaker 4: not that they would justify violence. But we are seeing
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Speaker 4: violence on university campuses and research from the Foundation for
41:19
Speaker 4: Individual Rights and expression shows that one in three students
41:24
Speaker 4: say that political violence is acceptable. We've got three in
41:29
Speaker 4: four who are saying that shouting down someone is acceptable
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Speaker 4: on campus, but one in three army who think violence
41:38
Speaker 4: is acceptable to silence someone who you don't agree with.
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Speaker 3: That is just chilling, it is, and that.
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Speaker 14: Certainly tracks with my experience. It's also a feature of
41:51
Speaker 14: the left. Look, the truth is the left has no
41:56
Speaker 14: affinity for free speech. Right, they haven't for a long time.
42:00
Speaker 14: They used to be champions of free speech. I remember
42:02
Speaker 14: the days and readA I'm sure you do also where
42:05
Speaker 14: the ACLU, right a leftist organization, champion free speech to
42:10
Speaker 14: the point where you know, I don't know if many
42:12
Speaker 14: of you guys remember, but when I was a kid,
42:15
Speaker 14: the Nazis were marching in a town called Skokie outside Chicago,
42:19
Speaker 14: and it was the ACLU, the left that defended their
42:22
Speaker 14: right to do that. Well, the the what has happened
42:25
Speaker 14: the ACLU is indicative of the left in general and
42:28
Speaker 14: how they've changed their views on free speech. No other
42:31
Speaker 14: than New York Times right, did this really fascinating article
42:34
Speaker 14: a number of years ago about the transformation the ACLU,
42:38
Speaker 14: and it says everything about the left and free speech
42:40
Speaker 14: and that they had The New York Times admitted that
42:43
Speaker 14: they have completely changed their perspective. They have become an
42:47
Speaker 14: anti free speech organization. They had become an organization that
42:51
Speaker 14: censors people's speech, which tracks exactly with what we see
42:55
Speaker 14: on the left, particularly on our campuses, where this has
42:59
Speaker 14: been a you know this, this this picture dish of
43:02
Speaker 14: radicalism that we've seen right and violence that we've seen.
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Speaker 3: Horoweitz, thank you so much for your time.
43:08
Speaker 4: Tonight, still to come the rise and rise of Charlie
43:12
Speaker 4: Kirk and how the biggest names in the industry reacted
43:15
Speaker 4: to his tragic murder. Gabriella Power joins me next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 4: Joining me now is host of Power Hour at Sky News,
43:30
Speaker 4: Gabriella Power. Gab the founder of Turning Point USA. Charlie
43:36
Speaker 4: Kirk came to great prominence in part due to these
43:39
Speaker 4: debates in hold at college campuses.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look at a couple of these clips.
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Speaker 4: Here was Charlie asking women the simple question what is
43:48
Speaker 4: a woman and marveling at their inability to answer their question.
43:53
Speaker 9: This is quite amusing, But there's a.
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Speaker 3: Woman that's a stupid question.
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Speaker 1: What is a woman?
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Speaker 6: It's not a trick.
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Speaker 3: Questions what is a woman?
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Speaker 6: You can't answer the question with the questions, yeah, to
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Speaker 6: find the woman without saying woman.
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Speaker 4: Their reluctance, their failure to answer that question, and they
44:21
Speaker 4: all know that questions coming because I think he asked
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Speaker 4: every debate when this issue would come up.
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Speaker 3: He was so good at it.
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Speaker 4: Gab he was sharp, but also funny and always good nature.
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Speaker 15: He was absolutely brilliant. And it just breaks my heart
44:36
Speaker 15: looking at that clip you played just there, because he's
44:38
Speaker 15: so full of life, he's so engaging. You know, there's
44:41
Speaker 15: a reason that his clips would go viral right around
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Speaker 15: the world. He was brilliant, he was fearless, and he
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Speaker 15: was a visionary. And as you say, he kind of
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Speaker 15: became pretty prominent because he would hold these college debates
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Speaker 15: and he would draw in just enormous crowds and he
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Speaker 15: would ask, you know, college educated students, what is a woman?
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Speaker 15: Really simple questions, but when they couldn't answer, and you know,
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Speaker 15: I think it's really amazing. Charlie Kirky didn't go to university.
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Speaker 15: He's a self made man. Yet he could take on
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Speaker 15: students from elite universities. He'd go to Oxford who'd go
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Speaker 15: right around the country and he would challenge. He would
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Speaker 15: challenge them over some pretty well basic and also controversial
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Speaker 15: topics such as what is a woman? And you would
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Speaker 15: see in real time students for the very first time
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Speaker 15: thinking critically about this issue issue of gender. Yes, a
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Speaker 15: woman is a biological female. I mean, Charlie was absolutely brilliant.
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Speaker 15: He cut through and he wasn't afraid to take on
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Speaker 15: the woke agender. And I think we should all be
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Speaker 15: so grateful for his hard work and dedication and really
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Speaker 15: all his efforts that he worked tirelessly going around the country.
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Speaker 15: Talking to gen Zs. We saw that in the election
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Speaker 15: result he was instrumental in Donald Trump's win.
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Speaker 4: He was only thirty one years of age. He had
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Speaker 4: so much more to do, and he was already so good.
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Speaker 4: Scary to think just what heights he would have reached
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Speaker 4: in ten years, twenty thirty years. He just had so
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Speaker 4: much more to give. It's such a tragedy. And this
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Speaker 4: next clip really shows you the character of the man.
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Speaker 4: Here he is speaking to someone in the US Air
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Speaker 4: Force and giving them some comfort.
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Speaker 7: Every day that you got to fight for us. You say,
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Speaker 7: I'm not fighting for politicians I'm fighting for the three
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Speaker 7: year old right now in Reno, Nevada so they can
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Speaker 7: have a better future. I'm fighting for the homeschool parent.
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Speaker 7: I'm fighting for the pastor. I'm fighting so that we
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Speaker 7: can keep on having liberty life and the pursuit of
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Speaker 7: happy Like liberty, pursuit of happiness, that's what you're fighting for,
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Speaker 7: not the dene of thieves in Washington, DC. God bless
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Speaker 7: you man, Thank you so much.
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Speaker 3: And Charlie was all about family. Watched this beautiful moment
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Speaker 3: with his firstborn, Yab.
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Speaker 4: It's just heartbreaking seeing that this is such a huge
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Speaker 4: loss for his generation, but the loss for his family,
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Speaker 4: his children, that's what really breaks your heart.
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Speaker 3: Those kids are so young.
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Speaker 15: Oh, it is so heartbreaking. And you know, Charlie was
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Speaker 15: so brilliant because he could talk about political issues, but
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Speaker 15: he was so clear on his values, his love of God,
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Speaker 15: his love of family, and his love of America. And
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Speaker 15: he really, I think, invited so many people into his life.
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Speaker 15: He was such a proud husband, such a proud father.
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Speaker 15: And I was looking at his wife, Erica's Instagram page
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Speaker 15: recently and she uploaded her photograph of her and Charlie.
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Speaker 15: She was also really open about their love story, and
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Speaker 15: I have to read you part of what she wrote.
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Speaker 15: She said, five years ago today, we sat inside bills
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Speaker 15: Berger's in New York City, deep in conversation and banter
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Speaker 15: over theology, philosophy, and politics. The end, he paused, looked
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Speaker 15: at me and said, I'm going to date you. And
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Speaker 15: it just seemed so Charlie. I mean, that was such
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Speaker 15: a Charlie Kirk thing to say, because we all feel
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Speaker 15: like we knew him. I mean, he had this brilliant personality,
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Speaker 15: and I think he also shared such an amazing message
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Speaker 15: with young people to go after the American dream, you know,
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Speaker 15: to Chase getting married, having being a homeowner and having children.
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Speaker 3: He was positive. He was a positive force.
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Speaker 4: He was always even when he was talking about dark
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Speaker 4: issues and a crisis in the country, he always came
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Speaker 4: with it with such a positive light and solutions and hope.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 4: He was admired by some of the very best in
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Speaker 4: the business for his intellect and his courage and his
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Speaker 4: moral clarity, which you mentioned. Here's how a few of
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Speaker 4: the best in the media reacted.
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Speaker 3: To his death.
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Speaker 13: They're reporting that Charlie has died, that he's dead.
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Speaker 1: The age of thirty one.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, count I mean there's legit nothing to say. I
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Speaker 10: mean it's rare that you know there's nothing to say,
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Speaker 10: but there's truly nothing to say. I mean, unthinkable, absolutely unthinkable.
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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk would have been president. Charlie Kirk would have
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Speaker 13: been president. His friends knew it, as many many admirers
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Speaker 13: knew it, and his enemies, to whom he was always
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Speaker 13: so gracious, they knew it too, Yab.
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Speaker 3: I believe that completely. I think he would have been president.
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Speaker 4: I think could have been JD's running partner in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty eight, but he was thirty one. He could have
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Speaker 4: run in twenty years, thirty forty years. There it is
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Speaker 4: such a last gap power. Thank you so much for
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Speaker 4: your time tonight, and that's all the time we have.
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Speaker 4: I'll see you tomorrow night at nine for Left, He's
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Speaker 4: losing it. Newsnight is up next
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