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The GIANTS and JETS continue to struggle... · NY's Sports Loud Mouth (VIDEO)

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It's playoff season and we have on fan sideds content director,
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the Co host of the Yanks go yard podcast.
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You can follow him on X at Tommy's under score takes as
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he's shown right here on the camera.
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It is Thomas Caranante. Join us today.
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How we doing Tommy? Good man.
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What's up boys? It's a pleasure to be here.
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Thanks for having me. I thought, you know, Tommy
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Scoops was on to something. I was getting ready to tune into
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the Yanks and saying, oh, this is the night they're going to.
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They're going to put me away. But yeah, man, try.
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I'm watching. I was watching the Dodgers and
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I'm just sitting here being like, I wish that was the
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Yankees. That was like the Yankees of 25
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years ago. And now we're just watching it
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pass us by. It certainly seems like they're
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a juggernaut, right? It just seems like the way that
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they're playing that they like, oh, yeah, You know, we got three
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guys that could be closers, whatever.
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One of them didn't play all season.
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He thought he was gonna be a starter.
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It's all right. We'll just put him in in the 9th
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inning. He'll throw 101 and he'll be
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your closer. It's fine.
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We have those guys. Why not?
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We'll just defer money. It doesn't matter.
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We just want to win championships.
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I wish the Yankees were doing that.
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I bet. Don't you think George
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Steinbrenner, if he was alive today, would have been jumping
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on this deferred money trick? I don't know.
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Yeah, you'd have to think so. But I, you know, you look back
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on all the things George Steinbrenner did.
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Would he be making the right deferred deals?
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I don't know. I I'd hope so.
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But but yeah, I mean, like the Dodgers have that perfect mix of
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the aggression and spotting the personnel.
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And to me, you know, just watching the Yankees for I
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started covering baseball back in 2014.
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So it was like in that no man's land era for the Yankees,
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Jeter's last year. And then ever since they've
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started contending again in 2017 to now, it's like seems like a
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personnel issue with them and can't put your finger on it.
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You don't really know. But I know there's always fans
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out there wishing George Steinbrenner was still there.
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And I'm like, there could have been a lot of disaster deals
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based on the bad contracts we've seen given out by the rest of
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the league. So who knows what free agency
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would have been in on at that at that point in time.
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But yeah, man, it's it's tough to watch a team like that, you
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know, deliver like Task or Hernandez didn't game one.
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And then they just, they apply the pressure and they have, they
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have talent at every corner of the roster that you can't seem
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to avoid. Yeah, I want to ask about the
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pitching woes in particular with the with the starters that we've
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seen this series. Obviously you had better
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pitching look at the against the Red Sox, especially with game
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three. But the struggles that they had
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bullpen more game one and then Max Freed having probably his
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worst start of the year in Game 2.
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Like what did you see from this? Is it more on them or is it more
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on the Blue Jays offense just going coming out?
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It's a good question and I I don't really know because the
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Yankees have just been downright bad at the Rogers Centre this
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year. Don't know what it is.
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I think. I think when you're in a in when
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you're in a situation to have a bullpen game in game one, you're
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you're at a disadvantage because the Blue Jays had the rest time
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and they were able to go at you with Kevin Gossman.
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So feel like if the Yankees were able to steal game one, that
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would have been the biggest bonus possible.
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They would have been in the best position imaginable at that
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point. Game 2 was just that was where
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it was bad. Max Freed doesn't have his best
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stuff. You can't really.
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I can. At least I can't blame him
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because it's his first year in pinstripes.
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Again, you're asking a lot of what the Yankees are doing, man,
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is that they're they're asking the pitchers to go out there and
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be perfect with what the offense is doing, which is really where
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I think the issue lies. The less margin.
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They're not playing relaxed. There is a razor thin margin for
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error. Freed was a little bit of
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execution he was having trouble locating for a good portion.
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For me, it comes down to I think the Blue Jays were obviously
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well rested and pumped and excited to go into the look.
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Everybody hates playing the Yankees, so all the all our
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opponents have that extra juice in them.
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But when they when we didn't have a bonafide game one starter
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going in the first one, then it put all the pressure on Freed
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and I think it's it's just tough for anybody to handle that.
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Jabba knows as a pitcher. Yeah.
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I mean, it's, I didn't really know what they were going to do.
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Who were they going to use? I don't know if that was a a
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number saying a kind of however they decided to, to use in in
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that situation, but they haven't given up 23 runs ever.
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Like in there's been, you know, the the woes of Aaron Judge and,
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and, and all that, but he's, he has four hits.
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He's leading, leading the team this year in hits.
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What like, I feel like there's something missing.
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And we, and we touched on this earlier, like we don't need a
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rah rah meeting. Like if we need a meeting in
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October, then we obviously aren't doing what we need to do
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in the 1st place. Like do you think there's some
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kind of disconnect in like trying to rely on judge too much
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where other dudes are like, and we know guys are, are good in
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the playoffs where you're waiting for him to go before
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everybody else goes because sometimes then it's like, OK,
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he's going now they're not well, he ain't going now.
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Everybody else starts going. Like they never seem to to
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cohesively go together. And I don't I don't know what
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what's missing there. Yeah, it's again, it's it's the
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the calendar flips to October and you see a completely
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different team almost. And it's not just this iteration
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of the roster, right? This has been some version of it
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since I mean, really 2017 was an Aaron Boom.
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But that year the offense was the reason they didn't get past
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the Astra and obviously the cheating, but the offense was
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the biggest reason there because they were unable to produce any.
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They were unable to produce runs and they didn't have.
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And it's like a dominant pitching staff that year looking
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at everything since Aaron Judge, Aaron Boone dating back to 2018.
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If they have that disconnect like you're alluding to, like
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the potential of everybody, like looking around, waiting for
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someone like Judge, that would be organizational, an
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organizational issue because they have gone through so many
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different iterations of this roster.
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They've put so many different pieces around Judge.
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I know Giancarlo Stanton's been the main constant over that time
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period, but he has carried the team on two different occasions.
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One was last year, the other was 2020.
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They didn't make it out of 2020 because of the rest of the
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lineup not being able to come through and some late bullpen
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meltdowns. But for everybody to not be
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dialed in themselves and looking at Aaron Judge, I think that
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would be a a very weird kind of cosmic issue.
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And it and it very it very much could be because whatever the
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personalities the Yankees are acquiring over these last few
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years, you do have that lack of, you know, killer instinct
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stepping up. I know it's it's easier to say
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for people who had watched baseball years ago because now
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hitting's, you know, easily the hardest thing to do in in any
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sport at this point. And I think he is a content
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creator. Jabba, you played so you've been
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around these guys and stuff like that.
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But you know, changing your approach when somebody's
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throwing 100 miles an hour is like you can only do that so
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successfully when you're facing, you know, when you have so few
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opportunities. So we do look at it at a lens
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where I think we acknowledge how difficult that is, but also at
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the same time, like where is the differentiating player profiles
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in the offense and the Yankees. I think it's the redundancy with
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the power and the reliance on the home run ball because in
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theory, the second Judge starts producing it, all the rest of
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the offense should start going. And he was actually getting hits
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in the wild Card series and the offense didn't really respond as
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emphatically as we had thought. So I really don't know what it
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is. I to me, I have to chalk it up
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to a personnel issue from, you know, going all the way back to
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the front office and who they're targeting every offseason or, or
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in trade talks. But I feel like it's a mystery.
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And I don't know what you guys think, but we've watched a lot
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of Yankees baseball and it's it's hard to pinpoint it.
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You know, we in actually before we get into it, we are being
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joined by Thomas Caranante, fan sided content director, Co host
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of the Yanks Goyard podcast, following at Tommy under Tommy's
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under score takes on XI. Got a question for you related
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to what you're saying? Because a lot of fans, myself
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included, have give a lot of blame to Aaron Boone this
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season. Some of it's overblown, some of
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it's not on my end. I can't understand some of the
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season decisions he's made this post season, like leaving Rodan
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in and game two in the wild card series when he had clearly lost
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it, got that one pitch, double hit, double play, and then he
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brought him back and he couldn't.
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You know, he's threw him, throwing wild pitches and he
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gets two guys on and then we lose the lead.
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I mean, we came back, but that wasn't a great decision.
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And then he continues to bring Luke Weaver in in tight spots,
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and he hasn't gotten an out this entire postseason.
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You know, with the rule that you got to face 3 batters, it's just
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three guys getting on against Luke Weaver because he's trying
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to stop this tipping of the pitches.
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We talked about it earlier tonight.
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I don't know if you can fix that, you know, on the fly under
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postseason pressure. So my question to you is what do
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you think is on Boone and what common criticism should be
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directed elsewhere? Yeah, I think there it's time
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and consequence for some of these things, right.
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So like I look at this post season and I think the the one
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blame you can put on Boone for what's happened so far is that
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he he misjudged when taking out Freed slash, bringing in Weaver,
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which you just mentioned and leaving Rodanin for too long.
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And then I think the biggest, obviously, in hindsight now, the
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biggest issue was yesterday bringing in Will Warren as early
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as he did because at that point, you got to just get out of the
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inning. You can't have the damage mount.
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And Will Warren is not, he's just not primed for that
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opportunity. He's not a reliever.
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He hasn't pitched in a week. He's going up against the Blue
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Jays in this pressure pack situation trying to stop, you
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know, from getting the team stomped on.
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And it just wasn't it. You need someone to get you out
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of there. And then look, the offense
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scores seven runs and if you hold them to six in that inning,
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you might have a different ball game.
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Who knows? The other side of the coin is
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like, he doesn't have that many weapons, right?
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I think a lot of times all of us collectively, we get on him for
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making the wrong bullpen decision.
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And I think that was more valid in in years prior.
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This year, it's not. It's hard for him to make the
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right choice every single night because of the limited options
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he's had. And that like David Bednar is
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the only one who you're saying this guy's getting ME3 outs,
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Everybody else is don't know what's going to happen.
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And for you, we could sit here and say the blame for bringing
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in Weaver, both in game one of the sock series because of how
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bad he had been in September. And then him being the first guy
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you go to in that razor thin lead against the Blue Jays was
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was troublesome because that guy's not delivering from you at
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that point. You're going to have to pivot.
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I don't know what the answer is because I think if Devin
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Williams comes in and melts down, I you know, you don't know
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what social media is going to look like.
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Those people are going to be going insane and say, oh, this
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was the choice. So I think it's it's a it's a
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can't win situation with Boone right now in terms of the the
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bullpen management, in terms of the messaging and I think the
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trusting of the starters. That's where really my that
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that's where I would assess the blame.
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So you look at the offense, obviously it's been years and
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years and years of them lacking preparedness or just not rising
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to the occasion. Yes, that falls on the players.
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But at some point, I feel like the manager has to figure out a
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way to interject till like something under the guys who are
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not coming through, whether that be through line up changes or
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what have you we talked, you know, the the Anthony Volpe
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conversation I think is something that relates to this a
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little bit, but not fully. It's like showing that there is
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discipline to go around when you're not performing.
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And I'm not saying discipline somebody in the postseason, but
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you had warning signs of some of these other things happening in
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the regular season. If there was more of a stern, I
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think management type of approach, players might be more
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inclined to step up or they might be better conditioned to
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step up is probably the best way to put it.
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So I think throughout the regular season, Boone deserves
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the blame for maybe the summer swoon that lasted almost three
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months, that if they win one more game, the Blue Jays are at
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Yankee Stadium for these first two games and they're and the
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Yankees aren't in Toronto, where they've been having trouble all
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year. So I think, and there's also
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final point here, it's tough to kind of pinpoint what the
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decisions Boone's making right? Because you know, the game one
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line up of the Red Sox series was not Aaron Boone.
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I think that was probably Brian Cashman.
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And you don't know what calls are being made from the front
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office to the dugout when Max Freed gets Jaron Duran in the
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first out of the 7th. So it's really tough to
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pinpoint. But I guess the only thing that
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Boone would be able to control is the energy and the messaging
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and the preparedness in the approach.
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And that's where I think often times in bigger moments, this
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team is lacking. So I want to shift to the front
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office perspective of with Cashman and with us, some of the
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executives too, like a lot of people were questioning with the
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trade deadline with the Yankees, like Ahmed Rosario, Ryan McMahon
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or kind of like these bench players.
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I liked Duvall at the time. I would have been wrong on that
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too, because I I I always thought he had good stuff.
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And then obviously Ben Norris worked out.
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But you see, it seems like Seattle that are very aggressive
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at the deadline where they did a kind of bolstering their lineup.
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And obviously there are there extremes like my New York Mets,
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unfortunately that traded everything and didn't and all
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those times, all those guys alternatively bust.
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So what do you think? Is there a move like you would
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have made if you were the Yankees and maybe would have
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bolstered them to maybe get the division title or even get a
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better playoff identity? You mean at the trade deadline?
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Yeah. So that's tough.
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I I thought a lot of what was available at the trade deadline
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was, you know, just setting up rival executives to overpay for
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something that they weren't necessarily going to get the
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value that they needed from it. I think the biggest problem was,
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for example, coming into this season with essentially no
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starting third baseman and no bench.
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And then that forced them to make all the moves that they had
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to make at the trade deadline. As opposed to them using the
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trade deadline, if this makes sense, as kind of a luxury item
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to acquire one or two more players, whether pitching
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positional that are going to get you over the hump and make you a
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juggernaut a little. I think a good comparison is
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like what the Dodgers did in 2021 when they got Max Scherzer
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and Trey Turner. Like that opportunity was not
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there this year. I understand that.
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But that's how the Yankees should be treating the trade
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deadline. And ever since like 2021, when
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they traded for Anthony Rizzo, they've kind of used the trade
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deadline out of necessity to repair the roster in the middle
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of the year. So then at that point, it's a
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tale of two rosters. You go with whatever you have on
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Opening Day, and then you say, oh, well, you know, 3-4 of these
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guys will be gone. Four or five of these guys will
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be gone at the trade deadline. And then you're talking about
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working in a whole new mix of players.
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So there honestly wasn't anybody that I would have gone overboard
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for at the trade deadline. I like this team a lot.
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It just came down to execution and them being able to weather
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the storm for the long season. The and I thought also all these
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other moves were good. Like I like Ryan McMahon a lot.
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The third base defense he's been providing has been game saving.
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If if we had, I don't. I think if we had anybody else
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there, we're looking at a different situation for either
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the playoff seating or our fate in the wild card series.
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I think Rosario was a great bench option to acquire as a
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platoon guy. Bednar was a huge acquisition.
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I I think you're right too, like everyone was on board with Duval
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at that time. It just didn't work out.
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And who knows? He he, he could end up being OK.
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He's under club control. But yeah, I think the biggest,
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the, the biggest issue is the lack of personnel when they're
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heading into the trade deadline because most other years they're
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not making transformative decisions like they did this
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year. Most of the years they're going,
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they're getting one or two more guys and then they're kind of
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calling it quits and it's not enough for what they need.
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They are how to put this. It's I've heard everybody's kind
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of thoughts on it from, you know, Mark Feinzan to everybody,
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you know, on sweep happens. Let's just let's just foresee
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it. It's it's what happens in the
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offseason is I don't think there's I don't think they're
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unloading anybody. I don't think as far as front
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office that is. And then do they make a push for
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another bullpen guy? Do they try and get a free
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agent? As far as an infielder, like
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what? Where do you see if if it
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happens tomorrow? What?
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What would you? Like to see the offseason look
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like compared to what you think it'll look like.
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Man, I haven't even thought that far because I thought for a
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second on Thursday that we'd be doing something special because,
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you know, eliminating the Red Sox like that was huge.
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You kind of felt the weight off your shoulders when that
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happened because of how how traumatizing it's been since
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since 2004. But I think for what?
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First of all, Boone's not going anywhere.
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For anybody listening here, I know that that's probably #1 on
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a lot of people's list. It ain't happening.
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You might be lucky if it's after 2026.
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When he has there's an option on his contract after next season.
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So then at that point, depending on how next year transpires,
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they'll make the decision there for this offseason.
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They and this is where I'm also conflicted because of how the
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postseason has gone down. Like now I am a little bit
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confused. You bring back Trent Grisham and
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Cody Bellinger, we talked about for a couple weeks on the NXL
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Yard podcast about giving him the qualifying offer and then
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you have your outfield picture for another year.
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You give him an opportunity to earn a lot and then hit free
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agency again. And you don't have to get locked
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into a long term pact. And I think Bellinger, even
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though the post season performance wasn't there so far
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in an, you know, honestly, in an abbreviated five games, it's
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hard to judge people like that. I, I think you kind of do have
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to bring him back because of how intrinsic he was to the rest of
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the line up. He was important in terms of
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having the Yankees remain relevant.
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If his bat's not there, I'm not sure.
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Again, we're, we're not where we are without him.
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And I, I don't think free agency, again, the Yankees don't
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go out and dish out a lot of long term contracts for big name
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players. So even if there were like a
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generational talent available this offseason, I think now that
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the fact that they just paid Max Freed on a deal like that,
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they're going to be conservative in their approach.
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So they're going to figure out how to get either shorter term
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deals or acquire guys through trades now that they're farm
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systems been a little bit more highly regarded by the outlets
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after their last couple drafts in international free agency
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periods. But yeah, I mean, the biggest
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thing for me is I think the rotation's fine.
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I don't think you have to do anything with that.
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You got coal returning. Cam Schlittler is obviously
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going to be the guy hopefully for years to come.
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The bullpen is really the issue here.
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I think you got to get 2 relievers who are capable of
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being flexible in inning 7 through 9.
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And again, I don't know who that's going to be.
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I don't know who's going to be available in the offseason.
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We have to wait for kind of prices on a lot of these guys to
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normalize as we get closer to the winter meetings.
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And then I think you need, I don't know, a couple more
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contact bats. I feel like we say that we say
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this every offseason, but what's Anthony Volpe's future?
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I'm not sure what's the platoon going to be like with Ben Rice
22:39
and Austin Wells. I think that they're going to
22:44
make it work with all their young players.
22:46
I think there was overblown shatter.
22:48
I think of, you know, rumors that they might.
22:51
Bob Klapisch wrote about it. He said that there there there
22:53
may be a possibility they explore a trade, but I don't
22:56
know who's going to acquire him. And I don't think that's of the
22:59
Yankees mindset to get rid of a homegrown player like that.
23:03
But they do have to improve their bullpen for sure, because
23:08
that's been a strength of theirs that they've kind of let go this
23:11
year. And then they need more of like
23:17
the best way to put it is like Jock Peterson esque guys from
23:20
like 2021-2022, the guys who can come off the bench and give you
23:24
in a bat and a big spot. Often times Adam Wine rib and I,
23:30
my Co host on the XCR podcast, we joke and we just say the
23:34
bench is just a bunch of random guys until they decide
23:37
otherwise. And that's kind of the problem
23:39
until they realize, oh, we need battle tested veterans on this
23:43
bench to hit 95 mile an hour sinkers in the 8th inning when
23:46
we have a runner on 3rd and our nine hitters up.
23:49
So I. Wish we could all have a match
23:51
stairs on our bench. I mean, they're they're out
23:55
there every so often. So I think they just have to
23:58
look a little bit harder. But you've seen that be the
24:01
difference in how many post seasons And again, like.
24:07
Nope, we just just got muted by accident.
24:09
Looks like. There you go.
24:11
Sorry, I was getting getting heated watching the Dodgers game
24:15
and we see that they have guys who are primed for the moment.
24:19
I don't know where Tay Oscar's balls came from.
24:23
I really don't like he was, he led the league in strikeouts
24:26
like 2 1/2 years ago and now all of a sudden he's a postseason
24:29
God. Good for him.
24:30
I've had an amazing time watching him, but I don't know
24:32
like where that came from in terms of the Dodgers detecting
24:36
that. But a guy like TK Hernandez, who
24:40
is influential every October, it's almost automatic.
24:42
Every time he's coming to the plate, he's getting a hit or
24:45
he's or he's in the moment somehow and he's figuring out a
24:49
way to either deliver or to move a runner over or to test the
24:53
defense. Like, I don't know what it is.
24:55
And I don't know how you identify those guys as a front
24:57
office personnel. But I think it's fairly safe to
25:00
say the Yankees have identified very little of those guys in the
25:03
Aaron Judge era. And Aaron Judge hasn't had that
25:05
type of support. I don't know where it takes them
25:08
in terms of what I don't want to see is Bellinger and Grisham
25:13
leaving and then like trying to piece meal that together with
25:19
either lower leverage shinings or hoping for the best with
25:22
Dominguez and Spencer Jones. Like that's what I don't want.
25:25
All these younger guys and even the top hitters on the team need
25:30
a bit of a softer landing with support around them.
25:32
And it's like a weird imbalance that they have at the moment.
25:34
We. Are talking to fan sighted
25:36
content director Co host of the Yang Schoolyard podcast Thomas
25:41
Caranante looks like the dodgers just going out the game right
25:47
there. It's four to three final.
25:49
They almost blew it. They brought in rookie Sasaki to
25:52
face Trey Turner with two on and two out in the ninth and he gets
25:55
them and they now up two O and the Dodgers look like they're in
25:59
this. You know, everything that we
26:01
thought is. Automatic man.
26:03
Pretty. So let's let's talk about
26:05
something positive. And his name's Cam Schlittler.
26:08
Nothing made me happier then. Well, nothing in general makes
26:12
me happier than when we get the best of Boston and this guy
26:15
who's from there absolutely shoves on them yelling F Boston
26:19
on the mound as he's walking off in between innings.
26:22
And if he's not yelling, like under his breath, he's just calm
26:25
and composed. I was saying earlier he looked
26:27
kind of like Garrett Cole with his composure, you know, just
26:30
looking like because he's got similar hair, but it's just he
26:34
just looked really composed for a rookie in that situation.
26:38
And then after the game goes online trolls their fans.
26:43
I mean, it's like something that I like I drew up in like some
26:46
kind of fever dream of like the next great pitcher.
26:48
I want the Yankees to have like I look, he was good when he came
26:52
up. I no, I didn't see this coming.
26:54
I mean, this guy was throwing. They said, you know, 92 a few
26:58
years ago and now he's up at the high 90s over, you know, there's
27:02
something like 64 of his pitches were 98 or faster in this game.
27:06
Second most of all time, which is just absurd is that I mean, I
27:11
got to ask you, Tommy, how real is this guy?
27:14
Because it's. Incredible.
27:15
The ascension cannot be denied. And I think it's it's a it's a
27:20
massive player development win for the Yankees and they've
27:22
needed that for a while with all these younger guys who have come
27:25
up in the last few years and haven't really delivered.
27:29
When Schwitler came up earlier this year and immediately set
27:33
like, I think the Yankees record in the stat cast era for most
27:37
triple digit pitches, I was just like, where was any of this
27:42
scouting for the last 15 years? Like what how did because you
27:46
when all these other contenders reach the post season?
27:49
I feel like there's a good amount they have like 1 flame
27:51
throwing young guy in the bullpen or one middle of the
27:55
rotation starter who has nasty stuff, and the Yankees just have
27:58
not been able to get that out of their draft picks or
28:02
international signings. And to see Schlittler succeed to
28:07
the to the degree that he has with him almost being like a
28:13
fringe prospect not too long ago is amazing.
28:15
I think it's hard, like you don't want to over pipe him
28:20
after that outing just because he's 15 starts into his MLB
28:23
career. We've seen crazier things happen
28:25
in terms of players getting injured or them losing their
28:28
juice. But this is kind of the vibe
28:32
that I think every Yankee fans been looking for, right?
28:34
Like we've wanted that F you pitcher on the mound for the big
28:39
games that that the Yankees have failed against their rivals.
28:44
Like if you look at all the Yankees playoff defeats under
28:48
Aaron Boone and in the modern era, it's against like Astros,
28:51
Red Sox, Rays, Dodgers most recently.
28:54
And then the only teams that they're beating are the
28:56
Guardians, the Royals, the Twins.
28:59
So they're that's where I think the mental edge comes in.
29:03
And you need that with a pitcher who's fearless when facing an
29:07
opposing lineup, especially a lineup like Boston or Houston,
29:10
where they literally they walk into every game and they say,
29:13
we're going to own this game at whatever point.
29:15
And it's it's going to be the end of it for you Yankees.
29:18
Like we've seen that transpire far too often.
29:20
But I think Schlittler is legit. His pitch mix is incredible.
29:24
The velocity is incredible. The attitude is awesome.
29:27
I think he did a great way of introducing himself to this fan
29:30
base. I don't want it again.
29:32
I don't want to get too ahead of myself and start anointing him
29:36
the next ace. But like, if he's pitching
29:38
around freed and cold for the next few years, like that's what
29:41
you're looking at. If they can cultivate him the
29:43
right way and keep him on his trajectory like this is going to
29:46
be a massive win for the Yankees development system.
29:51
All right. My last question, just general
29:52
pick for the rest of the postseason, is it the Dodgers?
29:54
Is there another team that you think can make noise?
29:57
Who you got? Yeah, I mean, after Friday night
30:00
I said in my head, the Dodgers, that was just a a back breaking
30:04
loss for the Phillies and I think that was a tone setting
30:08
win for the Dodgers. My pick before that was the
30:11
Mariners and I just, I don't think I can get on board with
30:14
it. Maybe they win the AL, but I
30:16
don't know who's defeating the Dodgers.
30:19
Yeah, the Mariners are a fun team that they've been, they've
30:22
been really a feel good story this year.
30:25
But like you look at the Dodgers just right now, I think they
30:28
tricked everybody with thinking that their bullpen was bad
30:30
because now Glass, now Clayton Kershaw and Rokie Sasaki are in
30:35
the bullpen all of a sudden. And now everybody who's sitting
30:38
there saying, Oh, well, you know, Gessia and Trinon have
30:42
been struggling and you know, the the middle group of it,
30:44
they, they booted a couple of guys from the wild card roster
30:48
when they moved on to the DS roster.
30:49
And now they just levelled up in three ways that nobody really
30:52
saw coming. I just they're the Champs until
30:56
someone tells me otherwise. Yeah, it it's kind of
31:02
interesting when when you look at it, it's the parody in the
31:06
game is is kind of 1 sided towards, you know, they'd look
31:10
at like, oh, it's the deferred money this D and it kind of got
31:14
brought up the other day too. And today I saw is like, do you
31:19
feel like what the Dodgers are doing?
31:21
More people should follow that because it puts them in this
31:24
situation every year. Yeah.
31:26
I mean, it's obviously, I think only a select few teams can do
31:31
this. There's the teams with the top
31:33
five attendance marks every year and sometimes that even that
31:38
even changes. So it would be tough for like
31:42
the only teams that are able to do it are probably Yankees,
31:45
Mets, Dodgers. The Padres have crept up there.
31:48
But I know they they've had some financial issues over the last
31:51
few years and and Phillies and we just saw the Mets take a
31:56
version of the mega spending and they had one of the most
32:00
historical lapses of all time. So it comes down to, again, I
32:04
think if it's you have the right front office personnel spotting
32:09
the right players to overspend on or to defer money on, if you
32:13
want to put yourself in a precarious financial situation,
32:16
then great. But like, I don't know how far
32:19
other teams can go. Like the Mets almost had a $400
32:22
million payroll and they're they're, they somehow didn't
32:26
make the playoffs. The Reds, who had a third of
32:28
their payroll, made the playoffs.
32:31
So it comes down to I, I don't think, I think really the bigger
32:34
conversation here is that just because you spend everybody
32:37
who's like, oh, the Dodgers and Yankees have the top payrolls
32:40
every year, they're ruining the game.
32:41
Steve Cohen going out and buying whoever he wants is ruining the
32:44
game. And it's like, no, it's not.
32:46
I before I popped on the air, Jabba, you were talking about
32:49
2009. The Yankees spent a billion
32:51
dollars that offseason, and I think that was one of the few
32:55
times ever that having that type of approach worked.
32:58
But it was also a testament to the all of the players who came
33:02
in and had to assimilate with the roster and get to know
33:05
everybody and then also step up in the biggest moments in their
33:08
first impression. That's an absolutely incredible
33:11
thing to do. And the fact that the Dodgers
33:13
were kind of able to replicate that over the last couple years
33:16
in a sense, it speaks to they're going after the right guy.
33:18
So I think, you know, as a fan, I want my owner to spend.
33:22
But you got to have the right guys in that front office
33:24
choosing who to spend on because we, I think we've seen enough
33:27
times over the last few years how it could blow up in your
33:28
face. Tommy, we really, really
33:33
appreciate you coming. Thank you guys.
33:36
We know that you're the fan sided content director.
33:38
You're the Co host of the Yankees go yard podcast.
33:41
We can find you on X at Tommy's under score takes.
33:45
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34:22
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34:23
So that's where I'm at and appreciate you guys taking the
34:27
time to have me on tonight. It was awesome.
34:29
Tommy, you were fantastic. Let's cross our fingers and, you
34:32
know, do some voodoo to get the Yankees through these next
34:35
couple of games, perhaps. I don't know, I'm not super
34:37
hopeful, but I've been wrong about virtually everything.
34:39
So hopefully that's that street continues, at least for the
34:43
Yankees sake. Again, thanks a lot man, and
34:45
we'll try to get you on another time real soon.
34:47
Sounds good guys. Let's go, Yanks.
34:49
Let's go Yanks and guys. That was Thomas, Karen Nante.
34:54
Well, he was really good, man. Like I asked the question and
34:59
nobody seems to want to blame Boone, you know, Like I, I feel
35:04
like it's just in my heart, just as a Yankee fan growing up that
35:08
you throw the manager under the bus.
35:10
So what, you know, Billy Martin got fired 7 times I think.
35:14
Something like that. They all kept coming.
35:16
Back, they come back, He's part of the family.
35:19
Look, you get your fight with family and then you bring them
35:21
back. That that was how it was for a
35:24
long time with the Yankees. Yogi Berra, there's all sorts of
35:26
stuff like that with the Yankees.
35:27
Gene, Gene Monahan used to tell you, I mean, he was there for 50
35:31
years and literally he would tell stories and he'd be like,
35:34
yeah, boss would come down somebody's injury or whatever,
35:36
he would fire me. He goes, it just got to the
35:38
point where it didn't even matter.
35:39
I just showed up the next day and he'd come down and like
35:42
nothing ever happened. And he goes, that's pretty much
35:45
what it was. So everybody kind of just went
35:47
about their way unless, unless he really got mad, then he knew
35:49
it. But yeah, he fired everybody and
35:51
everybody's like, that's the boss being the boss.
35:52
We're going to come back until he literally tells us to go.
35:56
It's just a different, different times.
35:58
You know those, those are the classic Yankee days.
36:01
Hopefully they can turn it around.
36:03
Well, if not, we're definitely going to talk about it on next
36:05
show on Thursday. But before that, we got to go
36:09
from playoff teams to two teams that have no chance in hell
36:14
whatsoever of sniffing the playoffs this season.
36:17
Yes, it's the other. It's the New York football
36:19
teams. It's the New York Giants and The
36:21
Jets. Just some more depressing news.
36:24
New York football might be hitting rock bottom as both
36:28
teams lost in their own different pathetic fashions in
36:31
Week 5. First off, let's start with The
36:33
Jets. They lost to the Cowboys 37 to
36:36
22, virtually all of the offense coming in garbage time against
36:40
soft coverages in the fourth quarter.
36:42
The Jets defense also continued to be atrocious, allowing 416
36:46
total yards, including 180 on the ground, and five total
36:51
touchdowns. The team has not forced a single
36:55
turnover in the first five weeks of the season, which is the
36:59
first time speedy that this has happened since the height of the
37:03
Great Depression in 1933. The Jets are also the last
37:09
winless team remaining in the NFL this season thanks to the
37:12
Giants. More on that in a second, but
37:14
fantasy stats galore in this laffer For quarterback Justin
37:17
Fields, who finished with 283 yards and two touchdowns, rookie
37:21
Titan Mason Taylor had 9 catches and 67 yards.
37:24
Star wide receiver Garrett Wilson had six catches, 71 yards
37:28
and a touchdown. Having those strong fantasy days
37:31
against those prevent defenses. Teams are playing against The
37:34
Jets in the fourth quarter and then down by the Bayou the
37:37
Giants beat themselves turning the ball over five times with
37:42
costly drops along the way. Rookie quarterback Jackson Dart
37:45
in the second NFL start, finish 26th of 40 passing with 202
37:49
yards, 2 touchdowns, 2 picks and a fumble loss for a 73.1 passer
37:54
rating. Which I guess is OK.
37:57
A week after giving the Chargers the first loss of the season,
37:59
the Giants loss to the Saints 2614, giving them their first
38:03
win of the season. The Giants were actually up 14
38:07
to three in the second quarter before completely melting down,
38:09
giving up 23 unanswered points. There's an 80 plus yard
38:12
touchdown by Rashid Shaheed and then the Giants try to do a flea
38:16
flicker to Darius Sladen, who in very Darius Sladen fashion,
38:21
dropped the ball, left the game hurt, had a bad fumble along the
38:25
way, exited with three catches and 31 yards on 6 targets in his
38:29
attempt to fill in as the new #1 receiver after the Giants lost
38:34
Malik Neighbors for the season last week with a torn ACL.
38:39
Oh my God. Well, I said we'll start with
38:42
The Jets first. The Jets were a joke.
38:45
They showed up against Dallas with no chance of being
38:49
successful. This Dallas defense sucks and
38:52
The Jets offense did nothing. And on top of this, Aaron Glenn
38:58
was this vaunted defensive coordinator who now has the
39:02
worst defense in football. They're the worst.
39:06
It's almost 100 years. I said 1933 was the last time an
39:10
NFL team over there. Six teams back then, speedy.
39:13
1933 was the last time A-Team went the first five games of the
39:18
season without forcing A turnover.
39:20
It's unbelievably bad defense, 400 plus yards.
39:24
They're just terrible and you don't understand why.
39:28
You have guys on the team. You have a top five corner in
39:32
football in Sauce Gardner. You have Will McDonald, who's a
39:37
pretty darn good end. You have Quinn Williams, who's a
39:40
top 10 to top five defensive tackle in the league.
39:44
What's the problem? Why can't they even be
39:48
competent? Defensively, their special teams
39:51
aren't much better and offensively they make lots of
39:54
mistakes. Justin Fields is showing why
39:57
every team seat keeps passing on him.
40:00
Look, he's great against soft coverages where they're letting
40:03
you throw underneath and getting guys open.
40:06
And then they're playing some kind of like deep off man where
40:10
the quarterback and run and get some yards.
40:13
So his stats look great. If you took if you had him in
40:15
fantasy, great job by you this week.
40:18
But it's a fantasy if you think this guy is beating any kind of
40:21
competent team if The Jets fall behind.
40:23
They can't put up offense. It's awful.
40:27
And I don't know if it's all Justin Fields, his fault.
40:29
I don't think it is. I think it's the coaching.
40:33
I don't think they have a good system.
40:35
I don't think they are ready to deal with a quarterback that
40:38
might be limited. Now, if you gave Justin Fields
40:40
to a guy like Shanahan, I know Errol would hate me saying that,
40:44
but maybe that's why I said it. But a real like a McVeigh, a
40:48
quarterback, a guy who's going to get a quarterback straight,
40:51
obviously maybe not Brian Dabel after what we've seen more in
40:54
him in a second, but it's he's he doesn't have it here.
41:00
They're not good. The the thing on Fields was, you
41:03
know, Speedy, we talked about this a week or two ago, you
41:05
know, similar to Jalen Hurts, they said he was a one read
41:08
quarterback coming out of college.
41:10
Justin Fields might be kind of not necessarily A1 read
41:14
quarterback, but it's you're reading high, low, which could
41:17
be you're you're deciding between two receivers or you're,
41:20
you're reading a corner. If he's going to bail or he's
41:22
going to stay up and or it could be a safety or maybe you have
41:25
some RP OS where you're reading a running back, a linebacker or
41:28
something. He's not doing anything crazy
41:30
advanced. If he's supposed to look off one
41:32
side, play if they're in a certain coverage and go to the
41:34
other side, he ain't doing it, man.
41:36
They're not having competent offense.
41:39
It's really tough to watch. And if I'm, if I'm a Jets fan at
41:44
this point, and thankfully I'm not, not that my team is any
41:46
better, slightly better. Maybe I, I mean, Abdul Carter's
41:50
pretty damn good. It's fun to watch, but I don't
41:52
really know what I'm thinking if I'm a Jets fan because that
41:54
Cowboys defense is supposed to be terrible and they couldn't do
41:57
anything until the game was over.
42:00
I mean, what, what was it? It was like 40, like they were
42:03
down what, 30 points before they started scoring, something like
42:06
that. I know they only had six points
42:08
going into the fourth quarter. So all those points came in the
42:11
fourth quarter against prevent defense.
42:14
I don't know, man. I think it's a top three pick
42:17
for The Jets this year. Maybe that's what they need.
42:19
Maybe they do need to get that quarterback.
42:21
There are a few guys coming out. We know the South Carolina guy
42:24
sellers. We know LS US quarterback wasn't
42:28
I keep forgetting his name. Nussen.
42:29
Nussen Meyer. I was going to say Nussen
42:31
Bamley. He was Jewish.
42:32
Nussen Meyer. There's guys Carson Beck will
42:34
come out this year. I still like Carson Beck.
42:37
I know people are down on him. I still like Carson Beck.
42:40
It's another year of him. Playing is me on like year 7.
42:43
Hey, look, so was Jayden. Jayden Daniels played six years.
42:46
You got to remember that stuff. It's a little bit different
42:49
these days. It's not, you know, we're not
42:51
going to talk about him tonight again.
42:52
We'll talk about him probably more on Thursday.
42:54
But Mark Sanchez came out as a junior, I think it was, you
42:58
know, there are other quarterbacks.
43:00
Sam Darnold, I believe, came out before his senior year.
43:03
Not always the best way to go. You do need that seasoning and
43:06
learning how to do more advanced things as a quarterback.
43:09
I, I look at it like, you know, I, I coach high school football
43:13
and like the stuff we're asking quarterbacks to do is obviously
43:15
very remedial compared to what's going on.
43:18
But it's like that as a quarterback, you're leveling up
43:21
like if you ever played like like a Guitar Hero, you know how
43:24
they have like beginner mode up to expert mode and everything in
43:27
between? Well, if you get up to expert
43:29
mode, your hand is flying all over the place.
43:32
That's I, I would say the best way to compare what it's like
43:35
being a high school to a college to AD 1 to a, you know, big time
43:40
pro quarterback. It's just a lot more is
43:43
happening and you have to be a lot more versatile.
43:45
I, I don't think Justin Fields has it.
43:49
I don't, I think it's pretty clear he doesn't at this point.
43:51
They're going to need a big thing to change if that's going
43:54
to happen. And they really need to create
43:55
an infrastructure of an offense that can work with a quarterback
43:59
that they draft because it's pretty clear they're going to
44:01
draft the quarterback high this year.
44:03
Yeah, the philosophy is there to draft a quarterback regardless
44:06
of how well field is played. And I think still has been more
44:08
of a net positive for The Jets this year considering the
44:11
circumstances as the first year of a system.
44:13
It's the first year of a new coaching staff.
44:15
So that combined with his contract being movable, like
44:20
he's a bridge guy, he's a perfect bridge guy forever.
44:22
Where they draft because wherever they draft, like
44:24
they're going to get a quarterback that is going to be
44:28
either somewhat raw or somebody that's coming off a bad year.
44:32
Nuts. Meyer is a good talent.
44:33
He's had a bad last couple games.
44:36
Kate Klobnick, I was mentioning for Clemson's had a really bad
44:38
year where he probably shouldn't declare at this point.
44:41
And then you have the Uprising guys.
44:44
Mendoza, Indiana is one that's definitely a possibility is a
44:48
guy that's a high riser. He's faced really good
44:50
competition this year. And this is the Big 10 that had
44:53
a lot of good defenses. So again, whatever combination
44:56
of quarterback that you end up taking is it's going to be
44:59
somebody that The Jets should try to develop more and not
45:02
throw them into the fire like we've seen The Jets do with Zach
45:05
Wilson, like we've seen them do with Mark Sanchez in the past.
45:08
And guys, guys that were not as more raw than was perceived, I
45:13
know when it came to the talent level of Jets had with Sanchez
45:18
there already, maybe it was easy for them to say at the time, all
45:20
right, this is already a pretty loaded team.
45:22
But we were thinking this year that especially on defense, The
45:25
Jets talent was going to be there.
45:26
But you have linebackers that are kind of more built for
45:30
Robert Salas defense. You've got defensive tackles
45:33
that maybe were more built to be like these 43 type pass rushers
45:37
and just not as much as like Aaron Glenn's trying to play a
45:40
hybrid defense, more 43 than 3-4.
45:43
But it's a little different still for a lot of these player
45:46
types. And with the types of guys he
45:48
had in Detroit, it looked like you would think all right, you
45:50
could ease and transition it with The Jets.
45:52
Lions had trouble developing defensive tackles.
45:54
They had the linebackers now, but they had trouble with that
45:56
for a while trying to patch together what they have.
45:58
Matt Patricia there, that's what was I was encouraged most with
46:01
Glenn when he when he got that head coaching job.
46:03
They were it wasn't A1 style type of guy and that's why I'm
46:07
surprised these players have not been able to evolve into that
46:10
system. You mentioned sauce.
46:11
He's had a rough year. Will McDonald's played well, but
46:13
Quinn and Williams has been down and the offense they're again,
46:17
they're playing well considering the circumstances, but they can
46:19
only do so much when they're not as like talent limited besides
46:23
probably Garrett Wilson and Fields the way he's played this
46:25
year. Breece Hall's been up and down,
46:27
it just it's not ideal for a circumstance.
46:29
But like you said, the 0 turnovers for a defense you
46:32
would think that Talent said is definitely surprising.
46:34
But it's the big plays and the run defense more for me because
46:38
the turnovers are something that sometimes you have turnover
46:40
defenses that aren't that are bad yardage defenses or they
46:43
allow big plays and penalties. Defenses like Green Base had a
46:46
lot of defenses like that in the past, but they're top 2 seeds
46:50
when Aaron Rodgers was there because they had still getting
46:52
turnovers and they could still score a lot.
46:54
But sometimes you don't have that kind of thing.
46:55
But the fact that they're allowing so many big plays and
46:58
are as undisciplined as they are is very surprising.
47:02
Yeah. I mean, you guys obviously see
47:04
it directly more so than us being here.
47:07
But I was always wondered like you go from Robert Sell as a
47:10
defensive guy to Aaron Glenn is the defensive guy.
47:12
Now you have the worst defensive football.
47:14
Like am I missing something? Like Fish, you obviously know
47:18
better than any of us because you're a coach, but like, I'm
47:21
not an expert by any means, but you go from a defensive guy to a
47:25
defensive guy and you get worse. And Speedy touched on the
47:28
different dynamics of how they developed from the defensive
47:31
side of the ball. But that really like that.
47:35
For me it is is missing the mark because you go from 1, you saw
47:39
what he did and obviously it took a little bit behind
47:42
Campbell and the Lions and then bringing it and then now.
47:44
You get worse. I'll give you a name as part of
47:47
the reason why they got worse. And speedy, I was talking about
47:50
this. At the end of last year, CJ
47:52
Mosley retired. CJ Mosley was the middle
47:55
linebacker who was the captain of the defence.
47:57
Look, he wasn't the same player as he was in throughout his
47:59
career. But if you don't have guys
48:01
getting people set right in my and look, I'm not sitting there
48:04
grinding jets tape. I'm sorry, Jets fans, I, this
48:08
isn't the most all 22, you know, centric analysis here, but I'm
48:13
just going to go out on a limb and saying that the defence
48:15
isn't lined up right very often and that they don't have guys
48:18
communicating well to get lined up right.
48:21
And when that happens, edges get get, you know, burned.
48:26
You're going to get contained, lost, you're going to have
48:29
coverages blown, and you're just going to be out of position.
48:33
Not everybody. But if you don't have that elite
48:36
communicator inside, things are really hard.
48:39
Like, even at like the high school level, we just didn't
48:42
have that two years ago. We went to the state semifinals.
48:45
We had a middle linebacker went to Harvard.
48:47
The dude was like reading self help books while everyone else
48:49
was playing around the study hall.
48:51
That kid was a genius. Love that kid, hope he's doing
48:54
really well the year after. Good kid too, just didn't really
48:57
have the acumen for the game, you know, in the same way.
49:00
I mean, there's only so many kids that go to Harvard and do
49:02
that type of stuff. But he was a coach on the field.
49:05
And having that makes your defense so much better because
49:08
you could react so much faster. And you need that in the NFL.
49:13
The Giants, when they won with Eli, traded for Antonio Pierce.
49:17
Antonio Pierce wasn't a world leader at linebacker, but he was
49:20
a great communicator, became a coach, short lived, but you
49:23
know, became a coach. This is the type of guy that you
49:26
want on your field, on the defense.
49:30
Ed Reed is another example of a type of guy that would be the
49:33
captain of the secondary. Now, you also need guys like
49:35
that to have the secondary aligned right, because in the
49:38
NFL it's so complicated. You're not leaving it all up to
49:41
the middle linebacker. He's probably just taking care
49:43
of the front seven in the secondary.
49:45
You know, they might have the past strength opposite the run
49:47
strength a lot. So you're going to end up having
49:50
that, which is just, there's a lot of guys communicating and if
49:54
it just feels like they don't communicate well, that they play
49:57
slow and they shouldn't because they have some dudes on that
50:00
defense. They still do.
50:03
And it's just really hard to watch the brand of football
50:06
they're putting out there right now.
50:07
I don't really know how else to explain to Jabba.
50:09
I just don't think they're very good.
50:11
And I don't think, you know, maybe it's a Joe Douglas not
50:13
being their thing. I don't think Joe Douglas, if he
50:16
was the GM, would have allowed this team not to be sound with
50:19
communication, you know, with veterans at the right positions,
50:23
you know, on the defense. I, I, I think Joe Douglas was a
50:26
very good GM And I think that the ownership and Ariel doesn't
50:30
believe me on this one. He doesn't want to throw no
50:32
ownership under the bus. But I'm telling you, ownership
50:35
has their their fingerprints all over all these mistakes The Jets
50:38
are doing. I'm convinced.
50:41
So let's talk about the Giants. This is a different way to lose.
50:45
The Giants decided to lose by being better than the other
50:49
team. Except for in the turnover
50:51
battle. They put the ball on the ground.
50:53
Was it 3 times with two picks? Jackson Dart was running, just
50:57
dropped the ball. No one touched him.
50:59
That's frustrating. Cam.
51:00
Scataboo. Scataboo.
51:02
I keep saying Bow. It's Scataboo.
51:05
Scataboo dropped and had a fumble and then was looking at
51:08
his gloves like it was the gloves fault.
51:10
Like he's like a kid that played JV football or something.
51:13
I love like that's in any sport, like they drop one or like in
51:16
baseball, they look at the glove and then tighten like tighten
51:18
the string. Like that's like your first
51:20
ever. Like it's like you you're not
51:24
taught that, but it's like the first thing any like any kid or
51:28
whatever. And you still see it in the big
51:30
league level in in every like in every night from from, you know,
51:34
from pee Wee's to the NFL, like even in travel ball to the big
51:39
leagues, Like the first thing they do is like, look at their
51:41
glove Titan Mr. like, Oh yeah, I was the glove.
51:43
Not a user error. It was just so bad watching as
51:46
much as I did. I was I was doing a bunch of
51:49
stuff that day. I saw the game go the wrong way.
51:51
It all happened on the Rashid Shaheed home run touchdown.
51:55
Speedy, he gets an 8 with an 87 yard something ridiculous to
52:00
Shaheed. Again, just a broken coverage.
52:03
Tyler Newman does not look fast enough to cover guys at this
52:07
level, at least if they're not getting them any kind of, you
52:10
know, look, they're playing. So here's the thing.
52:13
The Giants are playing loose off man coverage.
52:17
They're not pressing guys, they're not bumping guys, so
52:20
they get clean releases off the line even if they're standing on
52:23
the line of scrimmage when there are crossing routes.
52:26
The Giants have two inside linebackers.
52:28
Neither one of them are getting hands on them to slow down these
52:32
crossers. So how are you supposed to cover
52:35
if you don't have like the fastest safeties in the world
52:39
that are just top, top notch if you're not slowing some of these
52:42
burners at receiver down? If he just gets someone, just
52:46
gets in front of Shaheed for a little bit, Nubin stays with him
52:50
enough that he can't make that play.
52:52
Or maybe it's not a touchdown, but that's what we see
52:55
happening. It's a problem, guys.
52:57
They don't play defense well and I think the coordinator has a
53:01
lot to do with it. But the offense making mistakes
53:04
just completely unacceptable. It's it's just you can't beat
53:08
yourself. That's not a good Saints team.
53:11
Nobody thinks that's a good Saints team. kool-aid Mckinstry
53:14
is not a great corner. He picked off Dart twice in this
53:16
game. It it's just tough to watch.
53:20
This was the game they were supposed to win.
53:22
And you're and, and in football, you have to win the games you're
53:24
supposed to win. They somehow beat a Chargers
53:27
team that was depleted. Nobody thought that was going to
53:29
happen looking at the, you know, the schedule coming into the
53:31
season. But a lot of people thought the
53:33
Saints game was the the first win of the year.
53:36
And then they play like this. What a joke.
53:39
It's so frustrating. And the guy that I want to throw
53:41
the most shade at is Darius Leighton.
53:46
He's the guy that's been there the longest.
53:49
He's the guy that ever since college is for for speed.
53:53
He's had a couple injuries, but nothing crazy.
53:57
He's always had the same problem.
53:59
He drops the ball, he drops key catches.
54:03
There was a flea flicker that they tried to hit after they
54:05
gave up that big touchdown. Just shaheed.
54:07
It's a little under thrown, but my God, you got to make that
54:11
play. You got to make that play and
54:15
it's such that like it's a momentum killer, right?
54:18
Like if you have a trick play and it works, that's the best.
54:21
You know, you have a 80 to 5 yard touchdown.
54:23
That's the best. But then if you have one and it
54:26
falls flat, it like is it's like a negative multiplier.
54:30
It, it can be real devastating. And they never recovered from
54:34
it. The team just didn't recover
54:37
from a couple of bad plays in a row and then the offense didn't
54:40
work at all in the second-half at all.
54:44
They were driving it. And then they just don't pay
54:46
attention to detail. And again, who do you blame for
54:49
attention to detail other than the head coach?
54:53
I hate to say it, I liked Abel. I always have.
54:57
I think he has interesting schemes.
54:59
I like how he gets people open. It's just there's so many times
55:04
where details are not being paid attention to.
55:07
You know, it'd be the same as like a Java like in baseball,
55:10
someone who just doesn't really know how to do base running, you
55:13
know, like they they make mistakes on the base path all
55:15
the time, like like labor was making, you know, a year or two
55:18
ago. You know, it gets you frustrated
55:20
and eventually you just don't want to deal with it anymore.
55:22
That's what I see with the Giants.
55:23
This team is going nowhere. They're A5 win team if they're
55:26
lucky and we're getting another high pick.
55:28
Yeah, looks that way. As sloppy as it gets for you,
55:31
you don't have the level of talent to be able to get away
55:34
with it, especially on offense with neighbors fumble or
55:37
neighbors injured. Obviously Tracy's hurt and you
55:40
have these fumbles that you would think, OK, I'm going to
55:43
pay more attention to detail to at least play ball control to
55:46
help out our defense that on paper should be more talented
55:49
enough to steal some games like they did that first week where
55:53
the one week last week when they won against the Chargers.
55:56
Like the defense, I mean, dart looked good in some instances,
55:59
but it was the defense in that game against an offense that's
56:01
very talented with the Chargers. I mean, they lost some pieces.
56:04
They obviously losing alt. It's the big blow to that, I
56:07
guess Giants pass rush that has three good edge rushers.
56:10
And you would think that the Giants at least are going to
56:14
have that kind of mentality to carry it over and not play
56:17
reckless like they have. And that was one of the things
56:19
you worry about with Dart when he was a prospect.
56:21
Because to me when I watched him in college, he was had a lot of
56:25
the good and the bad of Sam Darnold.
56:27
Like the good. He had the throw on the run of
56:29
the ability, the intermediate throw ability that you saw him
56:31
have at USC. And then you saw him having
56:34
flashes in his career but just never were able to put it
56:37
together because he was so bad with short accuracy, He was so
56:40
bad with intermediate, he was so bad with decision making at
56:44
certain points on non intermediate throws.
56:46
And I thought Dart had a lot of games like that in college, even
56:49
though he played a while at Ole Miss.
56:51
So I think when you look at the trajectory of what Dart is, the
56:58
smarts I thought were still there in that first half.
57:01
And then all of a sudden it looked like that.
57:03
That recklessness came about in some of these dud games that Ole
57:07
Miss tended to have towards the end of the year because they
57:09
were consistent playoff contenders in for most like 2
57:13
months of the season when he was at quarterback.
57:15
And then they all of a sudden you're like, he has all these
57:17
brain gaffes, like what are you doing?
57:19
And I think a lot of those came back into it.
57:21
And obviously Scatabo fumbling to combining with that doesn't
57:24
help. And Darius Lee and I never was
57:26
really high on anyway A so basically a poor man's he's like
57:31
Will Fuller basically. He's like good for like he'll
57:35
have his three random good games of of the year.
57:38
And he's not really overly talented besides that.
57:40
So I think just the combination of that, it doesn't bode well
57:44
for the Giants. And just as I mean, we weren't
57:46
expecting much anyway. We're just hoping for the
57:48
development of Dart. But losing to the Saints when
57:50
the Saints looked competitive maybe in one game this year,
57:54
Yeah, that's maybe rock bottom. Yeah, I mean, I think speed, I
57:59
think you're giving him credit for being competitive in one
58:02
game. But I mean, yeah, it's it's been
58:05
tough to watch the Saints. But I, I think with Jackson Dart
58:08
too, for just watching it is, you know, I think it's him just
58:13
coming together and trying to figure it out.
58:15
Obviously it's, you know, guys are trying to figure a bunch
58:18
out. But I like you said, I don't
58:20
think we expected much. But I I think if for the Giants,
58:24
the one thing I think you can obviously forget about this one
58:27
have that men in black clicker where he clicks the button and
58:30
you just everything you your memory is erased.
58:32
But is just to see some type of growth and you know, just
58:40
production from Jackson Dart as moves forward because I mean the
58:43
the talents there. You've seen it in in spurts.
58:46
Obviously in college. Obviously the NFL is a little
58:48
bit different Bird, but I think it's just for him.
58:53
I think you just need to see growth and in more ways and
58:56
just, you know, going through progressions and you know,
58:59
hopefully you know, he he gets some time to be able to to
59:02
adjust because it is a different game and you know, it's it's
59:05
going to be a top pick for him again.
59:07
And you know, hope doesn't get him frustrated and try and do
59:12
too much or, you know, think outside the box and try to
59:15
recreate what got him here. So I, I think you just you, you
59:18
try to keep your hat on straight and, and for him just to see
59:21
some growth and, and hope something, something decent that
59:24
you can see comes out from him. All right, well, look, it's
59:29
going to be a long season. Let's face it.
59:32
It's, it's going to be another long season for Giants and Jets
59:35
fans. You know, it's, it's not too
59:38
early to start thinking about the draft, at least at the
59:40
Giants. I don't think we're thinking
59:41
about quarterback. I, I, you can say that Dart made
59:44
mistakes in that second-half. They didn't lose because of
59:46
Dart. They lost because of the team
59:48
failure. They did it.
59:50
You know, if that's scatable fumble doesn't happen and go the
59:52
other way, it's still a very winnable game.
59:55
You know, it's they they think they win that game more than
59:58
they lose it, but you can't lose games you're supposed to win
1:00:01
when there aren't that many on your schedule.
1:00:03
I thought it was a real good show.
1:00:04
Thanks. Special thanks to Thomas
1:00:06
Caranante fansite is content director Co host of the Yanks Go
1:00:10
Yard podcast. Follow him at X at Tommy's under
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score takes and find his channel on YouTube.
1:00:18
He was fantastic. Really good stuff on the Yankees
1:00:21
earlier tonight. We had a lot of fun.
1:00:23
Thanks. Special thanks to Jake and
1:00:25
Armando Horda coming on talking about their beloved Penn State
1:00:28
Nittany. Lions and the struggles they're
1:00:31
dealing with over here and a real special thanks to our
1:00:35
intern Jared, who did all the work backstage as a producer for
1:00:38
the first time while I'm here in the in the host chair.
1:00:41
That's a great job by you, Jared.
1:00:42
Thank you for all the work that you put in tonight.
1:00:44
Was Jared was rocking a jersey too?
1:00:46
What jersey was he rocking? Yeah, Jared, come on into the
1:00:49
the screen. You deserve to be in here for a
1:00:51
little bit at the end of the show.
1:00:52
You got some kind of Basketball Jersey going where we got you.
1:00:56
I'll, I'll do it speedy. Here, here, I'll bounce out.
1:01:01
No. No, you're fine.
1:01:02
It's just me and Speedy are having a war of who's going to
1:01:05
add us, add Jarrett right now with our clicker fingers.
1:01:08
Jarrett, I think you might be frozen.
1:01:10
So we're not going to see it right now, unfortunately.
1:01:13
But Jarrett's done a great job for us.
1:01:16
Errol will be back. We're not having the show on
1:01:19
Wednesday because he's not going to be back.
1:01:20
So we're going to have it on Thursday.
1:01:22
So pay attention. The show will be on Thursday.
1:01:24
By then, we'll know if the Yankees are going to Game 5 or
1:01:27
we're doing a post mortem on the season.
1:01:29
Also Thursday, speedy, the Giants face the Eagles.
1:01:33
We're going to have to do the show live while that's going on.
1:01:37
I don't know if I can handle that.
1:01:38
That's going to be tough. One.
1:01:39
I think they're going to get absolutely murdered.
1:01:42
It's it's not good. It's not a good look for the
1:01:44
Giants. But maybe the Eagles are a
1:01:46
little, you know, struggling a little bit.
1:01:48
Maybe Brian Dabel and Shane Bowen will cook something up for
1:01:51
him. Speedy.
1:01:53
To only. Lose by 14.
1:01:57
Honestly, if they lose, I guess losing is losing at this point,
1:02:00
but I do hope it's a little bit competitive.
1:02:03
Well, it should be good on Thursday.
1:02:04
Who do you who do we have coming on Thursday?
1:02:06
Alright, well, thanks to the the new King of the Jungle for
1:02:09
getting us these two guests, 2 very special guests.
1:02:13
First one is Jane Butler. She's the CEO of the nonprofit
1:02:16
organization Encourage Kids Foundation, based out of based
1:02:20
out of New York, supporting hospitalized children.
1:02:23
So she'll be the first one. And the second one is a
1:02:25
celebrity chef, Glenn Rolnick, who is the director of culinary
1:02:28
operations for the Ala Carte Restaurant Group, where he's
1:02:32
worked there for the last 11 years in New York City.
1:02:34
So both of them will be joining us at 8:45.
1:02:37
That's great. You know, we've been trying to
1:02:38
talk about get with some of these people that do these kind
1:02:41
of functions, get our name out there, be be a part of some of
1:02:45
those better functions that are going on, especially charitable
1:02:48
things. That's something that job in the
1:02:49
mouth is going to be looking forward to doing in the next
1:02:52
calendar year. You guys are going to see us
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