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"Fox Trucks Canada." · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 1: And filling in for Tommy today, we're lucky to have
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  Speaker 1: with us in studio, Hysteria's Aaron Ryans.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. I'm delighted to
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  Speaker 3: be here, and it feels so weird to be back here.
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  Speaker 1: I know.
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  Speaker 3: It's like time has passed, but also has not passed.
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  Speaker 1: Erin, I think the last time you and I were
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: in the studio together was when you and Dan and
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  Speaker 1: I covered the Kavanaugh hearings.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, and I was on the verge of tears.
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  Speaker 1: 50 years ago?
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  Speaker 3: My voice shaking with rage. Yeah, I remember that.
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  Speaker 1: Things have been going great since then.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, things have been great.
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  Speaker 1: On today's show, Democrats need a better plan to fight
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  Speaker 1: inflation anxiety, Republicans get bolder about defying Donald Trump, and
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Fox News has a Valentine's crush on Canadian truckers. But first,
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  Speaker 1: check out this week's Offline where I talk to YouTuber
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  Speaker 1: Hank Green about how he inspires curiosity online, why he
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  Speaker 1: believes the internet can still be a force for good,
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  Speaker 1: and what happens to candle wax when it burns. New
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  Speaker 1: episodes of Offline drop every Sunday right here on the
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  Speaker 1: Pod Save America feed. Also check out the latest episode
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  Speaker 1: of Take Line, To hear Jason and Renee recap the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, new episodes of Take Line drop every Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. All right, let's get to
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  Speaker 1: the news. On the heels of last week's Labor Department
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  Speaker 1: report that inflation grew at its fastest rate in four decades,
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  Speaker 1: a new CBS poll says that nearly 60% of Americans
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  Speaker 1: rate the condition of the economy as bad, despite low
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  Speaker 1: unemployment and rising wages, mainly because the vast majority of
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  Speaker 1: voters say that their rating is based on the price
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  Speaker 1: of food, gas, and other services. President Biden was asked
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  Speaker 1: about inflation during a pre-Super Bowl interview with NBC's Lester Holt.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was back in July you said inflation
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  Speaker 4: was going to be temporary. I think a lot of
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  Speaker 4: Americans are wondering what your definition of temporary is.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you're being a wise guy with me a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I understand that's your job. But look, at the time,
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  Speaker 5: what happened was the let's look at the reason for
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  Speaker 5: the inflation. The reason for the inflation is the Supply
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  Speaker 5: chains were cut off, meaning that the products, for example, automobiles,
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  Speaker 5: the lack of computer chips to be able to build
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  Speaker 5: those automobiles so they could function, they need those computer chips.
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  Speaker 5: They were not available. So what happens? The number of
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  Speaker 5: cars were reduced, the new cars reduced. It made up
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  Speaker 5: at one point one-third the cost of inflation because the
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  Speaker 5: price of automobiles were up. So what I did when
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  Speaker 5: I went out and made sure we started to make
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  Speaker 5: those domestically, we've got Intel to come in and provide
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  Speaker 5: $ 20 billion to build a facility. A number of organizations
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  Speaker 5: are doing the same kinds of things.
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  Speaker 4: When can Americans expect some relief from this soaring inflation?
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  Speaker 5: According to Nobel laureates, 14 of them that contacted me
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  Speaker 5: and a number of corporate leaders, it ought to be
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  Speaker 5: able to start to taper off as we go through
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  Speaker 5: this year.
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  Speaker 1: Aaron, what did you think of Biden's answer there? And
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  Speaker 1: how should the president Democrats be talking about this issue?
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  Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't a good answer. It wasn't a good
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  Speaker 3: answer at all. It's sort of, I don't know. I don't,
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  Speaker 3: when he's deploying the like noir slang, like, Hey, wise
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  Speaker 3: guy over here.
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  Speaker 2: Like wise acre.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, give me raspberries.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say, what's the big idea when he starts like
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  Speaker 3: dropping that stuff, you know that it's not going to
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  Speaker 3: be really in touch with what people are going through now.
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  Speaker 1: Um, but the Nobel laureates part was.
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  Speaker 3: I think the, the, I think that he was answering
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  Speaker 3: it as though he were speaking to an insider rather
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  Speaker 3: than speaking to the American people who are the ones
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  Speaker 3: who are in a lurch here. Here's the thing, though.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to downplay inflation because it does affect
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  Speaker 3: people's lives and it sucks and it's hard and it's
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  Speaker 3: one of the economic indicators that you actually feel every
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  Speaker 3: day if you're a regular person. Like most regular people
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  Speaker 3: don't really experience inflation. a stock market drop unless they,
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  Speaker 3: like me, Google sad stockbrokers on those days to get
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  Speaker 3: pictures of them looking really, really sad on the floor
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  Speaker 3: of the exchange.
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  Speaker 1: That's fun for you.
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  Speaker 3: It's just some fun for me. It's like also Aaron
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  Speaker 3: Rodgers after the Packers lost pictures. That's sort of a vibe.
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  Speaker 2: Famous anti-vaxxer.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: So he deserved it in a way. The thing is
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  Speaker 3: inflation is a story, but it's not the entire story.
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  Speaker 3: It's only a piece of the story. And What Biden
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  Speaker 3: missed the opportunity to do was point out the fact
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  Speaker 3: that economic relief was a huge part of his Build
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  Speaker 3: Back Better agenda and that agenda was blocked by Republicans
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  Speaker 3: and two wacky Democrats. And it's like immediate to people
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  Speaker 3: who experienced like the temporary provisions of the Build Back
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  Speaker 3: Better agenda, like the child tax credit, for example. The
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  Speaker 3: child tax credit every month was putting money in people's pockets.
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  Speaker 3: And research into what they were doing with that money
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  Speaker 3: showed that they were spending it on their kids. They
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  Speaker 3: were using it exactly the way they were supposed to
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  Speaker 3: use it. It was lifting children out of poverty. It
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  Speaker 3: was doing what it was supposed to do. So I
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  Speaker 3: think the inflation thing is not part of anybody's agenda
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  Speaker 3: because it's something that cyclically happens from time to time
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  Speaker 3: and you can make reactive choices to mitigate it. But
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  Speaker 3: the real story here is that inflation is hitting people
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  Speaker 3: harder because Biden wasn't able to get Build Back Better
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  Speaker 3: passed because Congress is completely dysfunctional.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, love it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's asked a question. Inflation is the question.
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  Speaker 2: The framing of it doesn't matter. How Lester Hull framed
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  Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. He starts, at the time, what happened was,
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  Speaker 2: let's look at the reason. According to Nobel laureates, according
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  Speaker 2: to corporate leaders, it's a man on a train looking
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  Speaker 2: out at America, passing by, and there's no agency in it.
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  Speaker 2: He tries to get at things he's kind of doing
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  Speaker 2: to sort of address it in the middle, but it's
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  Speaker 2: all a bit muddled. And there's a kind of, I
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  Speaker 2: feel like, clean message. I mean, give me, let's set
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  Speaker 2: a timer for 60 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'd like to set a timer for 60 seconds.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm going to do, and I want to be clear.
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  Speaker 1: I've got my phone here.
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  Speaker 2: Take out a timer for 60 seconds. And I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to do a 60 second inflation message.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just set it for a minute because it
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  Speaker 1: was set for 15 minutes for my COVID test. Negative.
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  Speaker 6: Negative.
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  Speaker 3: Same.
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  Speaker 2: And this is going to be, and I believe, I
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  Speaker 2: believe that this brings together the Alpha and Omega of
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  Speaker 2: Pod Save America, David Axelrod's advice and Dan Pfeiffer's advice.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow. Here we go. Okay, here we go.
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  Speaker 6: It started.
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  Speaker 2: This inflation is unacceptable. We've got giant corporations with record
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  Speaker 2: profits taking advantage of this once-in-a-century pandemic. They've never been
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  Speaker 2: doing better, but they see a chance to squeeze people
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  Speaker 2: because they've gobbled up all their competitors. They're padding the
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  Speaker 2: prices and hoping we just take it. So we're taking
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  Speaker 2: them on. We're going to manufacture more products in America
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  Speaker 2: so we have more jobs in America and less dependence
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  Speaker 2: on delicate international supply chains. When one boat gets stuck
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  Speaker 2: in a canal in Egypt and all hell breaks loose,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to fight these mega-merchers that make a few
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  Speaker 2: executives rich but raise prices for the rest of us.
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  Speaker 2: And we face a lot of opposition from my Republican friends,
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  Speaker 2: getting to Aaron's point, but we passed a big relief
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  Speaker 2: bill to put more money in your pockets right now.
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  Speaker 2: Republicans in the Senate are stopping us from doing more
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  Speaker 2: to tackle higher prices, to help with childcare, to extend
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  Speaker 2: the child tax credit. But I'm still fighting. We're beating
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic. We're creating jobs faster than anyone predicted. Now
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  Speaker 2: we have to make sure folks don't feel like they're
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  Speaker 2: taking a pay cut because the price of gas or
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  Speaker 2: meat is up because you work too hard to see
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  Speaker 2: all your money go not as far at the gas
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  Speaker 2: station or the grocery store. And that's what I wake
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  Speaker 2: up thinking about. And that's what I go to sleep
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  Speaker 2: thinking about. And it's no malarkey.
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  Speaker 1: Eight seconds to go. Eight seconds to spare.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like something like that is in the ballpark.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: How about something active? Well, I think the important thing
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  Speaker 1: there was it is active and it goes to Aaron's
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  Speaker 1: point as well, which is especially, look, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to just pick only on Joe Biden here. This
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  Speaker 1: happens to presidents. This happens to senators and members of
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  Speaker 1: Congress in both parties when you've been in government for
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  Speaker 1: a while. And particularly when you're in the foxhole and
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  Speaker 1: you've been criticized for stuff, what you want to do
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  Speaker 1: is Be on the defensive and explain your way out
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  Speaker 1: of something. Always a bad idea. Terrible. Your job is
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  Speaker 1: not to narrate what's going on in the country necessarily.
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  Speaker 1: Your job is to say that you're going to fix
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  Speaker 1: what's going on in the country or at least say
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to fight as hard as you can
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  Speaker 1: to fix it. And not only Joe Biden, but every
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  Speaker 1: single Democrat in the country needs to start thinking about
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  Speaker 1: every time you get a question, how to draw the
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  Speaker 1: contrast with Republicans. Here's what we're going to do. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what they're doing. Or here's what we're going to do.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what they're blocking.
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  Speaker 6: Right?
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  Speaker 1: Like, that's the whole, and feel people's pain while you're
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  Speaker 1: doing it, too. And don't tell them that, like, don't worry,
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  Speaker 1: the Nobel laureates told me that it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: fine later.
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  Speaker 3: You can talk to them on your text chain with
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  Speaker 3: the Nobel laureates.
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  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, I'm in touch with the Nobel laureates.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry too bad. The Nobel laureates think it's
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  Speaker 2: only going to be a couple more months. But the
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  Speaker 2: other thing about, it's so frustrating because, like, there are actual,
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  Speaker 2: I think, reasonable times to be even, to be more
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  Speaker 2: like you're talking to insiders, right? There are interviews that
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden will give. There are moments at a press
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  Speaker 2: conference where it might make sense to give a kind
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  Speaker 2: of more insidery answer just to give his actual perspective,
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  Speaker 2: something a little bit less on message. The Super Bowl
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  Speaker 2: pre-interview is not the place for computer chips and here's
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  Speaker 2: what happened last year. It's like, you get it, you
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  Speaker 2: understand why it's important, you feel that you relate to
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: the people going through the pain and here's what we're
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  Speaker 2: doing to fix it. Like just a super simple kind
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  Speaker 2: of And he knows how to do that.
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  Speaker 1: It just was a kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that Democrats do better when more people
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  Speaker 3: are paying attention. And right now, like if you take
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  Speaker 3: a look at the numbers of like CNN, nobody's really
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  Speaker 3: paying attention because politics is kind of back to being
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: a little bit boring compared to, you know, what it
• 9:42
  Speaker 3: was when Trump was in the White House and everyone
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  Speaker 3: was afraid every single day that something terrible was going
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  Speaker 3: to happen. This was an opportunity for Biden to get
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  Speaker 3: people to pay attention to him and to pay attention
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  Speaker 3: to what he's doing. I think a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: are just kind of sleepwalking through this administration because they're
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: busy taking care of their own lives and it's not
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  Speaker 3: fireworks all the time. And he missed an opportunity to,
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: I hate, I sound, I hate this, but he, he
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  Speaker 3: missed an opportunity to go a little bit viral. If
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  Speaker 3: he would have done what you did, he, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: maybe not talk so fast. He could have taken more
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  Speaker 3: than a minute because he wouldn't have had like a timer.
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  Speaker 1: I felt the timer.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you had like a micromachines guy cadence kind of.
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  Speaker 1: It's my nature.
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  Speaker 3: But, you know, if he would have taken that opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to just be like, I'm going to be grandstanding Joe
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  Speaker 3: and really reach through the camera to the audience, I
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  Speaker 3: think it really could have been a moment for him.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's also uniquely equipped to do this, right?
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  Speaker 1: Like there's two different versions of Biden you get. There's
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  Speaker 1: Senate Joe and then there's Scranton Joe. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that Scranton Joe, you know, sometimes he can tell stories
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  Speaker 1: about it and whatever it goes on. But in this moment,
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  Speaker 1: that's actually what he needs is to talk, is to like,
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  Speaker 1: really identify with the struggles of working people in this country.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the New York Times did a focus group.
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  Speaker 1: Margie O'Meara, who's a Democratic pollster, conducted it. And it
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  Speaker 1: was 12 Democrats and independents. And they were asked about
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  Speaker 1: the state of the economy. And, you know, the words
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  Speaker 1: they use, they asked for like one word to talk
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  Speaker 1: about the economy. Scared, sad, ripped off, annoyed. Everyone complained
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  Speaker 1: about prices. When they were asked about the federal government,
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  Speaker 1: they said that politicians in both parties are all talking,
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  Speaker 1: no action on this issue. Now, obviously, you hear this
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  Speaker 1: a lot from voters, but I think sometimes we forget
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  Speaker 1: that all the stuff we're talking about, the insidery conversation
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  Speaker 1: sort of misses that most people in this country, most
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  Speaker 1: voters in this country, most most Democratic voters in this
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  Speaker 1: country are just thinking about, like, how to get by.
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  Speaker 1: And if prices are high and and, you know, their
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  Speaker 1: wages might have risen, but they but most of that
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  Speaker 1: increase is eaten away at it by inflation. That's tough.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what they're thinking about all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I do that. People should read that piece
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  Speaker 2: in the Times because I also, I think that there's
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  Speaker 2: this sort of, I think some people who spend all
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  Speaker 2: their time on Twitter or who are just more steeped
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: in politics generally, I think sometimes they underestimate and overestimate
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  Speaker 2: people at the same time because it's not saying that, oh,
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Biden needs to dumb it down, say something simpler.
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  Speaker 2: Like there are really kind of sophisticated conversations about what's happening,
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  Speaker 2: what's not, how vaccine mandates could help versus how they
• 12:15
  Speaker 2: could hurt. Like there's a, really great conversation in there.
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  Speaker 2: But like, there's also, there's a feeling that politicians are
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  Speaker 2: disconnected from their daily lives. And there was one woman, Jenny,
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  Speaker 2: in the focus group that said something that like really
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  Speaker 2: stuck with me. She said, everything feels so unpredictable. It's
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: like ever since March of 2020, I don't feel certain
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  Speaker 2: of anything anymore. It's economics, politics, relationships. I'm single, I date,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: and it seems like even dating is different now. How
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: we treat each other is different. What we prioritize these
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: days is different. And Biden is president of the United
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  Speaker 2: States right now because he was able to be the
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  Speaker 2: right person at the right time to both speak to
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: the limitations and dangers of Trump while also being a
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  Speaker 2: candidate who understood intimately the nature of grief and loss
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  Speaker 2: and real pain. And I do think that that first
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  Speaker 2: principle of why Joe Biden is president has not gone away.
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  Speaker 2: The country is still in crisis. The Whatever the the
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  Speaker 2: larger economic indicators, whatever the contribution of inflation might be like,
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  Speaker 2: this is a country that is saying things feel bad,
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  Speaker 2: both because of substantive, practical, measurable economic reasons, and also
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  Speaker 2: because we have been through a trauma and we are
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  Speaker 2: still inside of it.
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  Speaker 3: And the trauma drove us online more, which made an
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  Speaker 3: entire group of people extremely online. Fox News viewers are
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  Speaker 3: the most extremely like it is incomprehensible to me. To
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: what the fuck is this story? It's a meme that
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  Speaker 3: became a story that got responded to. And it's just
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  Speaker 3: so far away from reality because it's so digital. And
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  Speaker 3: I feel like the trauma that we went through also
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  Speaker 3: was a trauma that was particularly cruel because it made
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  Speaker 3: us all worse, to Jenny's point.
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  Speaker 1: Partly by being online all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Being online all the time. And treating each other like
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  Speaker 3: how we treat each other online.
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  Speaker 1: Shines a light on our worst impulses.
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  Speaker 3: Totally.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Love it. You mentioned this in your answer. And Dan
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  Speaker 1: Pfeiffer had some advice on this in his latest message box,
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  Speaker 1: which is the Democrats should point out that, quote, while
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  Speaker 1: American families are struggling to make ends meet, corporations are
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: reaping record profits. But Politico points out that one reason
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: Biden might not be embracing this message is because a
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  Speaker 1: number of liberal economists don't believe that corporate greed is
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  Speaker 1: causing inflation. and say they would call Democrats out if
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: they say that. Erin, what did you think about that?
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  Speaker 3: Talk about an insidery conversation. Like, holy shit. I Googled
• 14:39
  Speaker 3: highest paid CEOs as I was prepping for the show,
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: and I came up with a website on the AFL-CIO's website. Like,
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: this is a way that unions recruit by being like,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: look at how fucking much money these people are making.
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  Speaker 3: Hundreds of millions of dollars to run companies I've never
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: heard of. RH. What is RH? I don't know, but
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  Speaker 3: Gary Friedman is getting paid $ 178 million to run it.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds like he's pretty good at it. He's not $ 178 million.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody's $ 178 million good at anything. I feel like, to
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  Speaker 3: borrow a Mitt Romney quote, corporations are people, my friend,
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  Speaker 3: at least at the top of the corporation. That's a
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  Speaker 3: person who is making a fuckload of money and who
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: is answering to shareholders and instead of their employees. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're cutting the quality of life for people that work
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  Speaker 3: for them in order to pad their own pockets and
• 15:26
  Speaker 3: in order to enrich shareholders. And that's a message that,
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, look, I think I'm pretty regular, but as
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: a regular person gets me pretty fucking mad.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: As it would most people. Like, look, you don't have
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: to go out there and say, 90% of inflation is
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: caused by corporate greed and consolidation, if that's not true.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: No one's saying to say that, okay? But like, This
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: happened a month ago. There was like a couple of
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: days where people on Twitter spent a couple of days
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: yelling at the New York Times for writing about some
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: guy who complained that he was spending too much on
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: a Chipotle burrito. And it's like, you know, maybe like
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: the guy was a small business owner and so he
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: was wealthy enough that he shouldn't have been complaining about
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: the beer. Who the fuck cares? But it's like. why
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they just yell at Chipotle for raising prices, even
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: though its CEO got 137% pay raise after a year
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: of record profits? Like, I get that Chipotle can't do
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: much about higher beef prices internationally, but like, they don't
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: have to give raises to their executives when they're charging
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: working class customers more for food. And the only politician
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I saw point that out was Bernie Sanders. That's it. Like,
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: everyone should be talking about that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, MSNBC compiled, basically, I think, What's happened in stepping
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: back is that inflation has been sorted as a political problem.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: And anything in this country sorted by the mainstream press
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: as a political problem is something where either Republicans win
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: or Democrats lose. Those are the kind of two options.
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: And so it is the problem for Democrats to sort out.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: MSNBC gathered these sort of quotes from financial executives at companies,
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: and they said things like this. we've been very comfortable
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: with our ability to pass on the increases that we've
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: seen at this point. That's from Kroger. Very comfortable. And
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: we would expect that to continue to be the case.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: What we're very good at is pricing. That's Colgate-Palmolive's CEO.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: We have found ways over time to recover that in
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: our margin line. And that is certainly the focus right
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: now as a business. Kellogg, very, very strong performance, mostly
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: driven by price. So all of these companies are being
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: very explicit. Whatever's going on in the market, they are
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: passing on higher prices, whatever. They are keeping their profits
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: incredibly high by passing 100% of the costs onto consumers.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Whether or not you can point to corporate consolidation is
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: absolutely true. That one trend we have seen over many
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: years is that when corporations gobble up their competitors, they
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: are able to work people on price and maybe take
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: advantage of an opportunity like this where there isn't as
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: much competition. They know they can blame the supply chain.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: They know there's no one else that's going to force
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: them to keep their prices low. So whatever the kind
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: of Some people are so smart they get stupid. And
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: it's like, come on.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: One other option for Democrats on the economy is to
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: do more to help workers organize. Employees at the Amazon
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: warehouse in Bessemer, Alabama, will soon hold a second vote
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: as to whether to form that company's first union. Workers
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: at a few Starbucks locations have recently voted to unionize.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: There's even a push to organize Capitol Hill staffers. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: the White House released a plan last week that detailed
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: several steps to facilitate union growth within the federal government
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: and in the private sector. What do you guys think?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Are the, are Democrats giving the labor movement enough attention?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: What else should they be doing? Are there any downsides
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to going all in on this issue? What do you think?
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: Um, well, first of all, I think if Starbucks unionizes,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: they should change their name to our books just to reflect.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Thanks Aaron for being here.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: So mad at me. Um, you know, I was at,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: I was part of the union drive at a, at
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Gawker media.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Um, And I remember when it first started, it was
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: like Hamilton, Nolan, and a couple other people who worked
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: there really worked their asses off to get everybody excited
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: about the union. But even at a place like a
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: New York media place, it was tough to get everybody
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: on board because the corporate line is always like, they
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: always tell you, oh, it's better if you don't. Like
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: we don't, you already have everything you need. Aren't we
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: generous enough? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And ultimately after a
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: long drawn out process, we successfully unionized. And since then
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: there have been a ton of digital newsrooms that have
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: unionized in New York to the betterment of the employees
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: at those newsrooms. It's been, it's so much better to
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: be secure enough that if something happened to your job,
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: like there is a procedure in place that must be followed.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: There is a set of steps that must be taken
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: in order for you to be let go. And if
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: you are let go, there's a certain amount of compensation
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: you get. It used to be that you could just
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: kind of like get let go and that's it. You
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: get like one week pay per year that you've worked
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: there and it's digital media. So everyone's only worked there
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: for like six years or whatever. But, you know, it's
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: it's now like, it's so much better to work at
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: a shop that's unionized. I can just say that as
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: someone who was in a place that wasn't unionized and
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: then was, I think that the thing that is standing
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: between an average workplace and a union is corporate rhetoric,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: that it's not a good idea. It's also a ton
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: of work. I'm not trying to downplay the value of
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: joining a union, but it is a lot of meetings.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: It is a lot of meetings, a lot of really long,
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: boring meetings, a lot of meetings where you have to
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: sit down with your boss and your boss tells you
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: a bunch of stuff that you don't know if it's
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: true or not. And it leaves a really bad taste
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: in some people's mouths. I know Alyssa had to set
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: on the corporate side, Alyssa Mastromonaco, during the vice union negotiations,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and she said the whole thing made her feel real
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: icky inside. So, you know, it's an uncomfortable process, but
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: on the other side of it, it's really great compared
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: to what.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: It was before. I think the politics have shifted as well. Like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you know, only 10% of American workers currently belong to
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: a union, but a whopping 68% of Americans approve of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: labor unions, which is the highest measure that Gallup has
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: tested since 1965. And 48% of workers say they'd join
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: a union if given the opportunity. So even that delta
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: between only 10% are part of a union, 48% said
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: they would join a union is, you know, and I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: think the Democrats should be out in front of this
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: issue more. And to the Biden administration's great credit, it
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: has been. I mean, even the Biden administration issuing a
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: statement about the Bessemer organizing process was unusual for a
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: president to do.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think you draw a direct connection
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: with the decline of unions. and the decline of power
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: workers have in their workplaces. And I think those fed
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: on each other. I think Republicans have for 40 years
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: led a concerted effort to attack unions, right to work,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: other kinds of attacks on the ability of workers to organize.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: And as we look at ways in which corporate power
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: is accumulated, companies have consolidated, it has taken power away
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: from consumers, and it has taken power away from workers,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and unions are a way that people can get that
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: power back.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we've also seen in recent years a
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: lot of examples of people losing a coveted union or
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: having a coveted union weakened, like in public sector workers
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: in Wisconsin, for example. When Scott Walker became governor, that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: one of the first things he did. And after working
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: with the protection of a union for a really long
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: time and then having that weakened, like that was a
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: loss to teachers. That was a loss to people who
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: were working in public sector in Wisconsin. And I think
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: that there are just really recent examples of people being like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: wait a minute, I want that back. So private sector
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: workers workers wanting to unionize maybe is a sort of
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: like funhouse mere reflection of what Republicans were trying to
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: do in states where they just kind of took the
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: reins of the democracy lab.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, let's talk about what's going on in the Republican Party,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: where the battle is on between old crow Mitch McConnell
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: and old lunatic Donald Trump. New reporting in The New
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: York Times and The Washington Post suggests that, actually, Trump
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: may be losing his grip on the party, or at
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: least some Republican leaders think he is. Jonathan Martin says
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: that McConnell has been telling potential Senate candidates that, quote, Mr.
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Trump is losing political altitude and need not be feared
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in a primary. As the Senate leader's lieutenants share polling data,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: they argue proves it. And Michael Shearer and Josh Dossey
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at The Post say that, quote, The former president's power
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: within the party and his continued focus on personal grievances
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: is increasingly questioned behind closed doors at Republican gatherings, according
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: to interviews with more than a dozen prominent Republicans in
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Washington and across the country, including some Trump advisers. What
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: do you guys think? Who wants to make the case
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: that this is wishful thinking on the part of old
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Crow and his pals?
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Trump's power is waning, they said, skulking behind closed doors,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: hoping no one catches them.
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure. All right.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Wait.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: You don't believe it.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's true. Maybe it's not. These stories are not
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: proof to me that Trump's power is waning. These stories
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: are proof to me that there is a small, very limited,
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: very weak group of people who hope they can take
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: advantage of the possibility that his power may be waning,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: but they don't know for sure.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, cat's power is waning, say mice scurrying beneath floorboards.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Like unidentified mice who would not come out from the floor.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I also take issue with characterizing Mitch McConnell as an
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: old crow because crows are really, really intelligent and cool.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I think McConnell's intelligent. And cool.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: He's not... You're right. Okay, you're right.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Curs apparently recognize people's faces.
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: They hold grudges.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Which is... Well, that's very Mitch McConnell.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they recognize... But they bring you presents if they
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: like you. They bring you like.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, that's nice. Anyway, I don't think Mitch... I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: don't want a present from Mitch McConnell. But I do
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: think that some of this... This is kind of media insidery,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: but I think some of the Republican sources talking off
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: record with reporters is a way to source grease. Like, look,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not crazy. Like, here you have a story. I'm
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: not crazy. You can, like, don't report mean things on
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: me because I'm behind closed doors saying these things about
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: the crazy ones in the party. And so I take
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: all of this with a grain of salt because, A,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: I think that Donald, there was evidence that Donald Trump
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: was never quite the kingmaker that headlines made him out
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to be in the first place. Otherwise, why did, you know,
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: two Georgia Senate seats go blue after he was really
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: harping on that? That's just one example of him going
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: all in for somebody and it just not panning out.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: What was the child molester in Alabama?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: That was another one.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: Roy Moore. So I don't think he was ever really
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: like a political kingmaker. He was good at making himself,
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: but he was really inconsistent at spreading that around to
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: other people. He could make media stars, but he couldn't
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: really make political campaign winners.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: That is true. Look, I am someone who, even though
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: we're out of the prediction business, I have felt since
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: 2020 quite confident that it is Trump's nomination if he
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: wants it for 2024. Reading these two pieces, maybe over
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, is the first time I've
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: started thinking, okay, I'll look at the other side of
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: this story that maybe he's losing his grip on the party.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: And maybe there is some evidence of this. I mean,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I think that as Republicans... feel more confident that they
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: may win the House and the Senate because of everything
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: we've talked about, they may start thinking that they don't
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: necessarily need Donald Trump, right? That like you need, what
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: do these people care about? They care about, they don't like,
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: some of them don't love Donald Trump. They just care
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: about winning. And if winning requires pretending to love Donald Trump,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: they're all for that, right? So whatever gets them to win.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: And I think that like, you know, if they start
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: feeling more confident that they don't need him, they might
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: start thinking, well, we know that Trump still turns off
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: a lot of independent voters, right? There was a poll
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: in Michigan just a week ago that showed that his
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: popularity was like 31%. It was his lowest ever in
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: a swing state of Michigan. So if you're a Republican
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: or Republican strategist, you're running for office, you're thinking, okay,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: how do I get the base? If I can get
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: the base and I can beat a Democrat in a
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: competitive race because of the economy, because of the pandemic,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: whatever it may be, and I don't have to turn
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: off some voters by embracing Donald Trump, I'll take that.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And the question is, can you do that all the
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: way through 2024 and maybe excise Trump from the party? Now,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, Erin, that's very different when he's
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: running on his own versus when he's endorsing someone. But
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: That's the other case that it's maybe possible. I don't
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: know if I buy it, but it's the other.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Schrodinger's fascist. Like I both am with Trump and am
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: not with Trump, but, you know, at the same time.
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: You know, is the difference.
• 27:34
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: The distinction is what we're talking about endorsements inside of
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: these Senate races. But but in terms of a Republican
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: primary in 2024, Trump is already in many ways won
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the propaganda apparatus. The Republican base that is is all
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: kind of created the dynamics in which You know, whatever
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: dough goes into the pasta maker, Trump ravioli is what
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: comes out. That is what this machine now throws out.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, Josh Hawley, Ted Cruz, you name it. Any
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Republican that might consider running for president at some point
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: is figuring out just how to be their version of Trump,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: a smarter version, a more sophisticated version, a more accomplished version,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: whatever it might be, a more staid version. But they're
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: all going to be some version of Trump. And it's
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: going to look like a bunch of Trumps out there.
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's going to look like seven small Trumps,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: sometimes going to look like one big Trump, like zebras.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I do think it's interesting, at least in
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the New York Times story, they show that basically McConnell's
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: plan isn't working as well as he'd like it to
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: be because he didn't get Larry Hogan, who's a more
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: moderate Republican governor of Maryland, to run for Senate in Maryland.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: And we don't know yet, but it's looking like Doug Ducey,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the governor of Arizona, who Donald Trump does not like
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: because he refused to say that the election was stolen
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: from him, it's going to be hard to get Doug
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Ducey to run for Senate. Now, as a Democrat, I'm
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: thinking like, There's some real wacko Republicans in Arizona. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: if Doug Ducey is running against Mark Kelly, I am
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: more nervous than if some of these other wackadoodles are
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: running against Mark Kelly.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think McConnell's strategy is is right here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: I just don't know if it's gonna be successful.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, you know, Trump is on the sidelines,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: like kind of whipping shit at people. Right. And the
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: thing about whipping shit at people is it's hard to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: get somebody to do something but it can stop you
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: from doing something, right? Like, I think Trump has kind
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: of anti-power in these races. He can scare people away
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: from running more than I think McConnell can convince somebody
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: to do something very hard, which is deciding to enter
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: a statewide political race. And that's the power I think
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: he has right now, which is like, you have to decide.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: He just raises the stakes. Like, am I going to
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: get into this and decide to spend the next six
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: months of my life dealing with like just an endless
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: river of bullshit?
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: And potentially threats to me and my family.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think about like the Cindy McCain of it all.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Like she is still pretty beloved in in Arizona politics.
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: And so, you know, you have two shit whippers here.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: You have she would probably I mean, yeah, she whipped shit, too.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: But they both are whipping shit at different candidates, you know.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: And so I don't know enough about Arizona politics to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: go much further than that. Only to say that I
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: think Doug Ducey is the most recognized name in Republican
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Arizona politics because he's the governor. But I don't think
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: I can't think of another Arizona Republican off the top
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: of my head who could match him in name recognition. Yeah.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, you have people like Kelly Ward, right?
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Absolutely bad shit.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Absolutely bad shit. And I do think, look, there's this
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: sort of like independent centrist streak in Arizona. Like I
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: remember for the wilderness, I did a focus group there
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: in Phoenix and people, everyone in the group was, they're
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: all sort of swing voters. And they're like, oh, we
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: wish we could have more politicians like John McCain and
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: Kyrsten Sinema. I know. But they're like, you know, it's too,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump is too extreme for us. We hate Donald Trump.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: And Some of the Democrats are too far to the left.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: But this is who we like. So there is like
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that sort of feeling there a little bit. But but yeah,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know if McConnell's going to get all his candidates.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, maybe McConnell wasn't a genius after all. All
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: he does is stop things like a rock that lands
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a highway isn't a genius for
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: stopping traffic. Like an obstructionist doesn't take genius to pull off.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: It just takes being an asshole.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Senate majority leaders always look dumber than Senate minority leaders
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: because the Senate sucks. But it's funny, too. It's like, again,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: to the, like, is his grip waning? Like, the amount
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of concerted effort. Like, Elaine Chao's calling you on the phone.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: You got George W.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Bush. She was calling Larry Hogan's wife to try to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: pressure her to pressure him.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: George W. Bush is laying on that famous charm of his.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: And meanwhile, Trump just tweets, this guy thinks the election
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: was a fraud, so I like him.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: That's his strategy. It's like the amount of effort that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: goes into fighting back against such a fucking buffoonish Trump operation.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Just a reminder of how much more power there is
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: in the in the base that he has versus the
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: dwindling support that people like Mitch McConnell.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I also wanted to add you were talking about social
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: media and that reminded me that Trump's suspension from Facebook
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: is going to like come to be revisited, I think,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: this summer.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, is it?
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, it might be. You know, that might be
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: a reason that people are a little bit, like, hesitant
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: to take him on because who knows how he's going
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: to take advantage of his newfound access to the Facebook
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: reigns if he's allowed. So that's another question mark.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: No, I thought that was interesting in the stories, too,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: is that they said Trump has felt, like, frustrated by
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: the fact that he's not getting the coverage that he
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: once did. And maybe that's partly why his grip is loosening,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to continue to use that metaphor. But that's only... whether
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he gets Twitter back, whether he gets Facebook back, if
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: the guy is running for president in the Republican primary,
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: he's going to get more coverage again. That's just going
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to be because he's running for president of the United States.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And if he clears out the field, or even if
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: it's just him and Ron DeSantis or whoever... He's going
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: to get a lot of coverage.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: He also gets coverage because he's exciting. I mean exciting
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: like how being in a car that's on fire going
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: off a cliff is exciting. You're very agitated when you're
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: dealing with him. But also in terms of a corporate
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: media desperate for ratings gets good ratings when they cover
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And so if he does run, it'll be
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: in corporate media's best interest to cover him. Not America's
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: best interest, but it would be in corporate media's best interest.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: And that sucks because I don't think I can take
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: another year of wall-to-wall Trump that I can't do it.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Well, so I do think that it sort of remains
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: to be seen. If he runs, it's going to be different.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: And then these stories will be looked at a different light,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Before we go. We want to celebrate Valentine's Day by
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: talking about the cross-border love affair between Fox News hosts
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: and Canadian anti-vax truckers, who've now spent three weeks protesting
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the life-saving inoculations by blocking major roadways and bridges across
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the country, wreaking havoc on the lives of other Canadians,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: their economy, and the global supply chain. On Monday, Prime
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Minister Justin Trudeau invoked emergency powers to quell the protests,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: and at one of the sites in Alberta, police arrested
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: 11 people with guns, body armor, and a large quantity
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: of ammunition. There have also been sightings of swastikas and
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Confederate flags, but none of this has stopped American right-wing
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: media from praising what the chair of Ottawa's police board
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: is calling, quote, a nationwide insurrection. According to Media Matters,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Fox News has devoted nearly 15 hours of coverage to
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: the story over the last few weeks. Here's a clip.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: The Canadian trucker convoy is the single most successful human
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: rights protest in a generation.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: The Canadian truckers are heroes.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: They are patriots, and they are marching for your freedom
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: and for my freedom. Out-of-touch provincial governments, drunk on their
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: own power, thought that they could keep Canadians subdued with
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: these COVID rules forever.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: But they were wrong.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You know what's going to happen? All hell will break loose.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: That will be the government starting a fight.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: People may die.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: What we want is what God gave us, freedom.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: That's what this is all about. And God bless those
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: truckers for standing firm. What do you think is going
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: on here? Why is Fox so excited about these protests, Lovett?
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: First of all, it is amazing how they can just,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: with no information, just be like, these out-of-touch provincial bureaucrats.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: You don't know a fucking anything about Canada.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Name two provinces.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Name the bureaucrats.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: It reminds me a lot of what happened when they
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: decided that Fox News just decided to sort Queen Elizabeth
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: and Prince Philip as Republicans and Meghan Markle and Harry
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: as Democrats because Meghan Markle is black.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Like, that's it. They're Democrats.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Those are Republicans. We're on the queen side.
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: Well, the other ones are old.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: And they're old and they're white.
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: They're old and white.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: They're old white. They're us. Meghan Markle's them. Let's go. Yeah,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: it's just.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Harry's a redhead.
• 36:00
  Speaker 6: That counts.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Just out of control. Out of control.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: No, it's just.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Look, they're just... And, you know, same thing we were
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: talking about earlier. It's a little boring down here. So
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's fan the flames of hatred and
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: outsource and let's export some of our worst qualities to Canada.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Let's get Americans all riled up. Let's get Americans donating
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: to this caravan up there in Canada. And let's just
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: make some entertaining, hate-filled nonsense. For our aging American audience. Yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: I say this with love because I do love Canadians.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I think they're great. Canada's a beautiful country. But you
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: know how– if you heard the phrase, it's America's hat.
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: And we've got head lice.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Like it's America's hat and our hair is full of lice.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: And it is– look.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Anyway. It is– I don't think they appreciate it whatsoever.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Canadians overall tend to be a little bit more compassionate,
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: I think, than a lot of Americans. Also, the thing
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: that really gets to me about this is just the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: strange bedfellows of these pencil-necked Dartmouth College Republicans trying to
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: get in bed with these, like, truckers. Like, we've got Tucker,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: or should I call him Trucker Carlson? Trucker.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: Way to go.
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: That was worth the segment right there. Trucker Carlson trying
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: to profit off of the protest by selling T-shirts, I believe,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: or hats on his website for $ 35. Let's say I
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: heart truckers. For $ 35, I will teach you how to
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: iron on decals onto a T-shirt. And then you can
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: teach a man to fish. He'll eat for life.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Aaron's milking a cow during this segment. She's just on
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: the farm in Wisconsin.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: No, the backup, it's like, it's annoying to everybody who
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: lives in Michigan. It's just, it's terrible. But, you know,
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: Tucker Carlson is, I cannot imagine him, and I just
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: imagine that his hands feel like Play-Doh that just came
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: out of the can. Unused Play-Doh.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Soft hands.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: Soft, soft-handed people being like, yes, we are with you, truckers.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: We understand. And another thing about this whole bizarre, extremely complicated,
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: strange media storm on the right about this is the
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: truckers are doing something that is obviously, obviously about the
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: vaccine mandates. It's obviously about this one thing. And then
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: you have people on Fox News being like, it's about freedom.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: They're like following behind them and like rewriting what they did.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: They're like redoing their homework for them and turning it in.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: They're intellectualizing it for sure. They have to make it
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: more sophisticated because basically it's a There's been a massive
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: propaganda effort to make these people afraid of a vaccine
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: that is safer than fucking Tylenol. And then they bought it.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: And now they're turning that into a movement against having
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: against for a tiny, tiny subset of people that are
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: refusing to get the vaccine, even though 90 percent of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Canadian truckers are apparently vaccinated.
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: More than the general population.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So, you know, and so it basically, you know, it's
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: the propaganda gets them all riled up and now the
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: propaganda keeps it going. And it's sort of very simple,
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: but it's simple and quite, you know, it's not a
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: righteous cause.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: You know, it's a very Fox thing to do, which
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: is it fits neatly into their larger narrative about this
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: working class revolution against the elites, right? Only 32% of
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: Canadians have expressed any kind of support for these protests.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: It is not, the idea that it's this movement of
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: working class protesters against these remote affluent elites is sort
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: of belied by the fact that, I don't know, the
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: people of Ottawa and Alberta and everywhere where these protests are,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: working people's lives are being disrupted. There's factory shutdowns that
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: are happening because of these protests. Canadian autoworkers are suffering
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: from this. So working class Canadians are suffering as a
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: result of these protests. Again, like you said, not for
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: some like high ideal, but just because they refuse to
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: take a lifesaving vaccine.
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Well, in that way, the way that this is organized
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: is kind of evil genius because what they're doing is having,
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: they're sending their dogs to go shit in someone else's yard.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: You know, if those truckers were blocking major American cities,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: It wouldn't be everybody in America who is watching Fox
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: News is in favor of the truckers inconveniencing them over there.
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: But if it were happening in their cities, it wouldn't
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: be as popular.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I think they want it. All they want is another
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: problem for Joe Biden. That is what this is. This
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: is an effort to drum up enough nonsense and noise
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to get this to start happening in the U.S. And
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: the next thing you know, Joe Biden has to deal
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: with America's trucker problem and the open revolt that they
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: are continuing to spread. And what's what's it's it's look,
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: it's it's all so simple. that it feels frustrating to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: even have to talk about it. But we are liberal people.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: We believe in civic protest, nonviolent resistance. But the level
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: of the disruption is meant to match the righteousness of
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: the cause. And Fox News has spent years demonizing any
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: kind of protest, Black Lives Matter protests, That is a
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: far more righteous and noble cause, which we all know
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: that has caused far less disruption. But they treat it
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: like it's anarchy.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: They back laws that allow you to hit protesters with
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: your car.
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: But because these are conservative, because these are anti-vax, because
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: these are white protesters for the most part, they are
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: treated like protagonists. as opposed to antagonists.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you should.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: In Minnesota, there have been some Black Lives Matter protests
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: that block off the Mall of America or disrupt the
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: light rail between the airport and the Mall. It's usually
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: the Mall of America. It's usually around a big shopping holiday.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: And Fox News doesn't think that's noble at all.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they also disperse after a while. Look, if
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: a couple hundred people want to, if a couple hundred
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: anti-vax truckers want to protest outside, just stand outside the
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: Canadian parliament, and protest, fine, great. Move your fucking trucks.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: We're trying to have a society here.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's the thing.
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: I think we all, like the undercurrent, whenever I talk
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: about it with anybody is just like annoyance. It's just
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: so tedious. And it's not really, it's not convincing anybody
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: to be on their side. It's just convincing people that
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: they will take extreme measures when they don't get their way,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: which is not a great way to win hearts and minds.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: But I do think that what Fox is really hoping for,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: and some Republican politicians as well, is that these protests
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: come to the United States. I think Rand Paul was
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: quoted as saying, like, oh, yeah, I hope it disrupts
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Nobody wants it in their city. Rand Paul wants it
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: to be in L.A.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. In liberal blue cities, that's.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: What they want.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Right, exactly.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: It's like, dude, have you ever been to L.A.? We already,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: you can't make the traffic any worse.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I think the truckers have been protesting for years. Yeah,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: they've been a couple years. They're protesting. They're all on
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: the 10, you know?
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Los Angeles, huh? Hollywood, what's your dream? Take Fountain.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Okay, now we're being very specific.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: No, see, but you don't know that that's a famous
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Bette Davis quote.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Any advice for people getting into show business? Take Fountain.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: That's insider.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I do think they think that this
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: is going to be like the next Tea Party thing.
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: You know, which, you know, is something it's something to watch. Certainly.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: I'm just thinking about the people who, you know, this
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: is where we're hypotheticals on top of hypotheticals here. But,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: you know, just thinking about the people that Donald Trump
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: turned off enough to lose the presidency in 2020. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to imagine this, the white suburban moms being
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: cool with having trucks making it so they can't get
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: to the preschool to drop their kids off, you know, or.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Or blockading supplies so that if they, you know, are
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: going shopping for the family, they don't have like what
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: they're looking for. You know, I just.
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: No, yeah, totally.
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: I think the reasonable people, it'll rile up a certain
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: demographic of people. It'll get them real fired up. It'll
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: get them to fork over $ 35 for a shirt that says,
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: I heart truckers. Hipster gold in five years, that one.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would just say one, I think, lesson
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: from just what we've been seeing from across the border
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: that we should take to heart is... and Brian Boiler,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I think, wrote a great piece in Big Tent about this.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of Democrats, sometimes we like to
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: wish away the scale of right-wing menace in this country,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: or we're afraid to really tackle it, or afraid that
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: if we're honest about it, or confronted with the full
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: force of what the law actually says, we'll face even
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: greater blowback, that somehow we should be, we have to
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: cower or not take these, or not apply the law
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: fairly to right-wing vigilantes. And I hope there's a lesson
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: in the fact that like this doesn't end on its own.
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: You have to actually make clear what you what you
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: stand for and not be cowed by right wing menace.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, they tried to kidnap the governor of Michigan.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: They stormed the Capitol. This is not they're playing around here.
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: And I do think like to your point, Aaron, we've
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: talked before about how they're sort of people are exhausted
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: by pandemic restrictions, stuff like that. That exhaustion does not
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: extend to now. I'm happy to have my city back.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Blocked down, yeah. Blockaded by a bunch of, like there's
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: a difference between people who are like, I hope my
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: kid gets back to school soon. And yes, I'd love
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a bunch of trucks in my city blocking all the roads.
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the thing is the trucks are promoting circumstances
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: under which it'll take even longer for the kid to
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: get back to school. Of course. Like just on Friday,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the CDC and Pfizer announced that it's not going to be,
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: the shot isn't going to be available to kids.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so mad.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Not going to be available to kids until at least April,
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: which is horrible for parents.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Take your time.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: No rush. And just on that, and I get it. Like,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of very smart people on Twitter who
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: I trust, you know, medical professionals saying it just means
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: that they're being careful and they want the science to
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: be and they want it to be safe. I get
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: all that. The communication around it has been a disaster.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been pretty bad.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: The expectations raising and then dashing has just been awful.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: Right, nobody wants a shot rolled out if we haven't
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: proved that it's safe and effective, especially for little kids, obviously.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: But these parents are so desperate for it to be
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: the case that it's safe, available, and ready for their kid.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: And then meanwhile, we have these people protesting the fact
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: that they have to take the shot.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: Erin and I are going to go take some trucks
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: and park them outside the FDA.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And then I'm going to Then I'm going to go
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: yell at Barbara Ferrer's house. I'm not sure which way
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go either. Were you one of those people?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I may be pro-mask or anti-mask. Honestly, it changes by
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: the day. But either way, I'm fucking furious. And Barb's,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I'm coming to your house.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Were you one of those people?
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: No mask and mask.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: I used to live right over there. And I thought
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  Speaker 3: I recognized one of those shouting voices. It was you.
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  Speaker 2: It was you every day. It could have been me.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's all the time we have for today.
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  Speaker 2: That's all the time we have today.
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  Speaker 1: Erin Ryan, thank you for joining Pod Save America. This
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  Speaker 1: has been fun.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure. What a joy.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Pod Save America is a Crooked
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  Speaker 1: Media production. The executive producer is Michael Martinez. Our senior
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  Speaker 1: producer is Andy Gardner Bernstein. Our producer is Haley Muse,
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  Speaker 1: and Olivia Martinez is our associate producer. It's mixed and
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  Speaker 1: edited by Andrew Chadwick. Kyle Seglin is our sound engineer.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks to Tanya Sominator, Sandy Gerard, Hallie Kiefer, Madison Hallman,
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  Speaker 1: and Justine Howe for production support. And to our digital team,
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  Speaker 1: Elijah Cohn, Phoebe Bradford, Milo Kim, and Amelia Montooth. Our
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  Speaker 1: episodes are uploaded as videos at youtube.com slash crookedmedia.