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NEIGHBOR FINDS CAITLIN, 36, 'PULVERIZED' IN TAX-LAWYER STAIRWELL, FOOT MISSING · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: A neighbor finds a gorgeous young wife, Caitlin, just thirty six, pulverized.
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Speaker 2: That's the medical examiner's words.
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Speaker 1: Not mine.
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Speaker 2: Pulverized in the stairwell of a tax lawyer. Her foot
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Speaker 2: gone missing. Now, how do you lose your foot in
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Speaker 2: a fall down the stairs? I'm curious. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: and this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us.
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Speaker 3: From the outside, Caitlyn Tracy and Adam Beckering appeared to
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Speaker 3: be a typical couple from Chicago, navigating the ups and
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Speaker 3: downs of dating before eventually tying the knot. But beneath
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Speaker 3: the surface, a dark and troubling reality was unfolding.
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Speaker 2: It is excruciating hearing her nine to one one call.
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Speaker 1: What is the truth?
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Speaker 2: How did Caitlin sustain so many injuries going.
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Speaker 1: Down that stairwell?
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Speaker 2: And how did she lose a foot in the process.
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Speaker 1: I want you to hear this. Just talk, please, please,
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Speaker 1: we just talk before you we are Can.
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Speaker 4: We just talk right here?
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Speaker 1: Just talk right here.
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Speaker 5: Hold on, people, seriously, hold on.
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Speaker 1: Wait that is from a prior incident.
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Speaker 2: They just love how police and yeah, I'm talking about
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Speaker 2: you John Bueler, former Detective Modesto, PD refer to an
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Speaker 2: outright attack as an incident that was a prior incident.
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Speaker 2: And you saw that body cam footage from our friends
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Speaker 2: ABC seven Chicago.
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Speaker 1: You know, Bueller.
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Speaker 2: Interesting did you hear him as they've got him down
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Speaker 2: on the ground saying get out of my house?
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Speaker 1: You know what?
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised the cops didn't give him a little spanking
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Speaker 2: for that.
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Speaker 1: And then he goes on and he.
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Speaker 2: Says, baby, baby, help me to Caitlin like she's gonna
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Speaker 2: call the whole thing off, and this, can't we just talk?
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Speaker 2: Can't we talk about this? The time for talking was past, Bueller.
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Speaker 1: And I'm leading to if he would carry on like.
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Speaker 2: That with the police, what would he do behind closed
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Speaker 2: doors with Caitlin.
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Speaker 6: Well, there's many things that he probably did but between
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Speaker 6: or behind closed doors that will never know about because
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Speaker 6: the incidents that they do have recorded and that they
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Speaker 6: have documented in police reports are probably the tip of
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Speaker 6: the iceberg. There are many calls that probably were never made.
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Speaker 6: There were excuses that she made for things that happened,
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Speaker 6: and maybe bruises that people saw and she didn't want
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Speaker 6: to reveal anything, but He's a typical narcissistic, violent guy
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Speaker 6: that cops to deal with all the time. He's probably
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Speaker 6: a smooth talker at a point. He might have been
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Speaker 6: under the influence at this time. But this is where
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Speaker 6: the body cameras are really great because it does keep
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Speaker 6: the cops in line because guys like this are frustrating.
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Speaker 6: You certainly want to give some extra tune up, but
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Speaker 6: you can't legally and ethically. So it worked out good
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Speaker 6: that they took him in custody, but unfortunately she was
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Speaker 6: willing to go.
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Speaker 1: Back to him.
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Speaker 2: She went back to him, and I'm sad to say
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Speaker 2: that there were greatly, greatly reduced charges, which seems to
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Speaker 2: be the way doctor Cheryl Eric joining usnowned clinical forensic
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Speaker 2: psychologists specializing in traumat recovery. You just heard former detective
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Speaker 2: soopd say that he the tax lawyer in a very
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Speaker 2: prominent law firm in Chicago. How they couldn't see behind
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Speaker 2: his facade, I don't know. But you heard Bueller state
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Speaker 2: he was a smooth talker, and Bueller is right. Did
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Speaker 2: you hear him trying to make hail Mary say there
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Speaker 2: at the end.
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Speaker 1: Hey baby baby, can we just talk about this? Did
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Speaker 1: you hear that.
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Speaker 7: I did hear that, And it is not uncommon for
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Speaker 7: abusers to have a false self that they show to
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Speaker 7: everybody else. And then as you're saying, behind closed doors,
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Speaker 7: everything all bets are off. This is about a cycle
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Speaker 7: that is designed to have coercive control over her, and
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Speaker 7: so he will do things to get his way into
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Speaker 7: control her. And this is really an example of of
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Speaker 7: how domestic violence can happen even to beautiful, successful.
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Speaker 1: Smart women.
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Speaker 7: And you know, some people may wonder why does somebody stay,
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Speaker 7: But I think it's really important to understand she did
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Speaker 7: do the right thing. She reported, She called the police,
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Speaker 7: She told people what was happening. And the most dangerous
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Speaker 7: time in domestic violence is when the victim tries to
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Speaker 7: leave the abuser, because that is the moment when he
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Speaker 7: feels he's losing control of her. And so you know,
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Speaker 7: this is this is something that it often takes multiple
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Speaker 7: times to get out of a situation, but the most
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Speaker 7: lethal time is when she tries to leave. And there's
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Speaker 7: also a really big red flag in this case that
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Speaker 7: I wish more people were aware of when it comes
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Speaker 7: to domestic violence, and that is past incidents of non
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Speaker 7: lethal strangulation. When an abuser has grabbed a woman by
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Speaker 7: the neck during a past attack, he is seven hundred
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Speaker 7: and fifty times more likely to kill her in the
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Speaker 7: next year.
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Speaker 1: Repay that police. That's a new statistic to me.
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Speaker 7: If an abuser has ever grabbed his victim by the
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Speaker 7: neck and used strangulation, which is empower and control tactic
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Speaker 7: to control her breathing, he is seven hundred and fifty
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Speaker 7: times more likely to commit homicide against that woman within
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Speaker 7: the year. And actually, if he has access to firearms firearms,
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Speaker 7: that's justistic goes to above one thousand percent.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is doctor Cheryl Eric Guys, I want you
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Speaker 2: to imagine. Look, I'm going to show you some more bodycam,
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Speaker 2: but I want you to imagine if he will do
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Speaker 2: this in front of police and talk to them this way,
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Speaker 2: what will he do with Caitlin behind closed doors for twenty.
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Speaker 8: Five Wait a wauite wait wait wait wait wait wait
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Speaker 8: wait before wait course, seriously, you can't search me?
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Speaker 1: Do you get our search me?
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Speaker 9: That's illegal.
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Speaker 1: That's a.
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Speaker 5: That's an illegal search. You know what is that's an
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Speaker 5: legal search?
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Speaker 10: Get off me?
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Speaker 1: Get off me?
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Speaker 8: You know that's illegal.
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Speaker 11: Let go my hands for what.
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Speaker 8: Please let me talk to you over your pocket.
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Speaker 2: Oh the yelling, screaming, the snotting, and in that vein.
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Speaker 2: Let me go straight out to veteran trial lawyer joining us,
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Speaker 2: Philip Debay, l a County Public Defender's office with an
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Speaker 2: extensive history of trying cases.
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Speaker 1: Debay, thank you for being with us. Now.
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Speaker 2: Hobby that we're seeing is a lawyer and he is
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Speaker 2: a very well respected lawyer and a big law firm.
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Speaker 1: I believe he was a partner in the law firm.
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Speaker 2: They can see through his facade and apparently he needs
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Speaker 2: to go back to researching tax documents because that's not
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Speaker 2: the law. You can absolutely search someone pursue it to
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Speaker 2: a lawful arrest.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, of course you can.
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Speaker 13: And he was under arrest or a domestic violence and
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Speaker 13: you don't even need a warrant for it. If there
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Speaker 13: is a call for help in a domestic violence situation,
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Speaker 13: they can just take you in and search you an
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Speaker 13: incident to that arrest. That includes your pockets, your hands.
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Speaker 13: They can patch you down. If you have any containers
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Speaker 13: like a briefcase or a tope bag, yes, they can
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Speaker 13: sort of rifle through that as well, just to make
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Speaker 13: sure you're not packing any weapons or have any sharp objects.
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Speaker 1: Hey, dB, check out those biceps.
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Speaker 2: I wonder what a right hook would feel like one
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Speaker 2: from one of those guns. Check out those biceps on
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Speaker 2: this guy. He's no stranger to the gym. Oh my goodness,
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Speaker 2: he's still slinging his body around in the back seat. Hey, debate,
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Speaker 2: you ever been in the back seat of a cruiser.
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Speaker 2: They're disgusting because people like this POC technical legal term.
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Speaker 1: They vomit back there. They defecate on purpose.
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Speaker 2: They urinate, they spit, They do it all in the
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Speaker 2: back seat of these guys cruiser. I mean, at APD
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Speaker 2: you just pull up behind the station and there were
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Speaker 2: hoses back there. Just open the cruiser door and start
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Speaker 2: hosing out. I mean, can you imagine hosing out in
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Speaker 2: the back seat of what your Porsche or Mercedes, I
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Speaker 2: don't know, hose out the cruiser like it was a
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Speaker 2: garage because the people like Kim Can I see that again,
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Speaker 2: him twisting himself around, throwing himself, spitting, snotting, screaming, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: good times.
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Speaker 1: What about that debate?
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Speaker 13: Well, the main reason why they hose it down is
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Speaker 13: to make sure that suspects from subsequent arrests are not
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Speaker 13: tied to any DNA or any other trace evidence from
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Speaker 13: a prior suspect. So you want to make sure that
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Speaker 13: the car is completely antiseptic and you're not bought up.
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Speaker 2: Namely one time, one one case where DNA was taken
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Speaker 2: out of the back seat of a police cruiser and
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Speaker 2: used in court.
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Speaker 13: Not DNA, but dope. Dope was found between the seats,
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Speaker 13: and he just said DNA.
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Speaker 1: Did he not just say DNA? He said DNA?
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Speaker 10: All right?
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Speaker 12: Any evidence used against a client.
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Speaker 13: They found METS stuff between the cushions in the back
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Speaker 13: of a squad car. They tried to introduce it against
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Speaker 13: a client of mine, but I was able to get
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Speaker 13: all the call logs from the previous arrest in that
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Speaker 13: car and show that.
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Speaker 1: Right, Hey, what is Mike? Go is Mike?
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Speaker 2: This is not a debate infomercial, Okay about how you
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Speaker 2: saved You're math client. So never has anyone you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm going a bueler on that. Did you see the
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Speaker 2: way this guy is carrying on belligerate aggressive, kicking out
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Speaker 2: at the police, struggling with them, threatening them, and then
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Speaker 2: he gets in the backseat of the cruiser and almost
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Speaker 2: cannot be contained. Now, can you school debate of why
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Speaker 2: you have to hose out in the back of your
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Speaker 2: cruiser after.
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Speaker 1: Putting this tax lawyer back there.
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Speaker 6: Well, we did that because guys would vomit in there.
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Speaker 6: Maybe they were defecating or they urinated back there, and
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Speaker 6: you don't want to introduce somebody that maybe doesn't need
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Speaker 6: to belong in that situation that you know, maybe a
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Speaker 6: drunk driver that's a regular member of the society. You
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Speaker 6: don't want to expose them to that stuff. So we'd
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Speaker 6: post things out like that. Now, he does have a
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Speaker 6: little bit of a point on cross contamination and if it.
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Speaker 2: Was nice, criminal defendants should not have to sit in
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Speaker 2: a pile of this guy's poop. Hey, speaking of poop,
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Speaker 2: that reminds me, isn't it true? And I hate this
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Speaker 2: to be your very first question straight out to Harriet Alexander,
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Speaker 2: the senior features writer Dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 1: Which is awesome, Harriet.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that on one occasion, this guy, this
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Speaker 2: tax lawyer, had to go I guess and give blood.
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Speaker 1: Samples or check in as part of being out on bond.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: There he is in his suit and tie at some
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Speaker 2: clinic and he there's no nice way to say it
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Speaker 2: he crapped the floor on purpose. This is true. It
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Speaker 2: has This is absolutely true.
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Speaker 9: It happened. It happened.
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Speaker 14: So this was when he was he was facing charges
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Speaker 14: for domestic violence and he was a he was required
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Speaker 14: to appear multiple times for bond hearings, and he had
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Speaker 14: quite a long track.
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Speaker 9: Record of misbehaving. We could say in.
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Speaker 14: Those in those incidences, one of those, as you say,
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Speaker 14: one of those, as you.
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Speaker 2: Say, was misbehaving my objection, my rear end, misbehaving the
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Speaker 2: woman she's found at the foot of him, his the
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Speaker 2: law partner in the tax division stairwell without a foot.
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Speaker 2: All of these incidents are not misbehaving. You're pushing me
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Speaker 2: right over the edge, Harriot.
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Speaker 15: And interestingly, you were, you know, you were talking about
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Speaker 15: his his arrogance and in that arrest right in that
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Speaker 15: that video and the fact that he has away with
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Speaker 15: words that he's he's trying to convince the officers saying
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Speaker 15: you can't do.
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Speaker 9: This to me.
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Speaker 14: Well, it's interesting because actually he has four with that too. Previously,
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Speaker 14: she tried to get a restraining order against him.
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Speaker 16: She went through all of the documentation, but he pushed
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Speaker 16: back on it.
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Speaker 9: He threatened her with defamation and so she dropped it.
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Speaker 9: So actually there was never a restraining order taken out
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Speaker 9: against him.
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Speaker 1: Did you say he had form?
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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, absolutely absolutely in terms of four the Brits
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Speaker 14: car at form.
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Speaker 2: Did the Brits carl having a rap sheet? That's what
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Speaker 2: we say here? Do they call that form?
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Speaker 14: Well, I wouldn't know what the technical term is for
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Speaker 14: weaseling your way out of a charge, for pressuring someone
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Speaker 14: to drop the charges, but certainly he's he's got previous
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Speaker 14: on this.
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Speaker 2: Guys, I want to look back one more time at
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Speaker 2: the video we just showed you where he tries to
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Speaker 2: throw around legal.
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Speaker 1: Theories this is an illeg arrest, and then when.
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Speaker 2: That doesn't work, he tries to get his wife back.
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Speaker 1: Please let me talk to you. Let me talk to you.
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Speaker 1: Maybe maybe listen what you're talking about it plea.
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Speaker 8: Wait wait wait wait wait wait, seriously, I listen to me.
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Speaker 1: You can't search me? Do you get our search me?
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Speaker 5: That's illegal, that's all search. That's an illegal search. You
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Speaker 5: know what this is, that's an legal search. Get off me,
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Speaker 5: tell me, get off me.
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Speaker 8: You know that's illegal.
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Speaker 11: Let go my hands for what.
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Speaker 16: You?
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Speaker 5: Please let me talk to you over.
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Speaker 2: Your podcast I guess legal arrests and illegal arrests are
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Speaker 2: not covered in the tax code. Guys, there's more. There's more,
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Speaker 2: and I haven't even gotten to the state of Taitlin's body.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to bring in a medical examiner, doctor
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Speaker 2: coin for that.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, we just.
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Speaker 11: No, Adam, you're under arrest, Okay, like I told you,
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Speaker 11: you have a felony warrant already from a previous incident here. Okay,
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Speaker 11: there's not there is and I know about it. I
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Speaker 11: don't know why I just hold her?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 1: Why does she not like him?
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Speaker 16: Out?
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Speaker 1: You're under arrest in the vae.
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Speaker 2: Right, But I'm not sure if the control room misplayed something.
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Speaker 2: But back to Harriet Alexander, senior features writer, dailymail dot Com.
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Speaker 2: Did I just hear him say, can I just hold her?
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Speaker 2: I want to give her a r egg?
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Speaker 1: What right?
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Speaker 9: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean again?
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Speaker 14: I think it just shows that the brazen arrogance of
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Speaker 14: this man, that he thinks that she would.
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Speaker 9: Want to be held by him after.
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Speaker 14: The police are called for the domestic violence. It shows
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Speaker 14: that he thinks that he is above the law, that
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Speaker 14: he's very confident, and that he feels that he can
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Speaker 14: work his way around this.
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Speaker 9: I mean, as he has done in the past.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, doctor Cheryl Eric with us.
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Speaker 2: I want to hold her. I just want to give
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Speaker 2: her a hug. I'm starting to think No, no, I almost.
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Speaker 1: Said he's bipolar.
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Speaker 2: He's not by polar This is just another one of
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Speaker 2: his tactics, because abusers have so many tactics to keep
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Speaker 2: getting away with it. I'm sure his a law for
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Speaker 2: law firm, huge firm. Dwayne Morris is so proud tonight.
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Speaker 2: So I don't think he's bipolar, because how could he
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Speaker 2: pull off being a veteran tax attorney and fighting his
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Speaker 2: way out major is that fighting his way up to being.
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Speaker 1: A partner in a huge law firm.
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Speaker 7: He likes to be in control. He cannot handle it
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Speaker 7: when he doesn't have the upper hand. And what you're
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Speaker 7: seeing with a fighting with the police officers and with
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Speaker 7: everything else and him trying to give them orders, is
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Speaker 7: him needing to try to maintain this sense of having
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Speaker 7: the upper hand. As far as wanting to hold her,
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Speaker 7: She's not human to him. He's not thinking about her feelings.
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Speaker 7: She's an object for him to control and possess. This
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Speaker 7: is my wife, I want to hug from her. I
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Speaker 7: want to act like everything is fine, you will do
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Speaker 7: what I say. That's where he's coming from. All of
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Speaker 7: this is about power and control.
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Speaker 2: It's all about vs D. Doctor Gerrett. Can I tell
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Speaker 2: you where Dwayne Mars has offices? Wait for Atlanta, Austin, Baltimore,
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Speaker 2: Boca Ratone, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Fort Worth, Hanoi, she Men City, Houston, Vegas, London,
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles, Miami, memr New York, Jersey, Philly, Pittsburgh, San Diego,
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Speaker 2: San Francisco, Shanghai, Silicon Valley, South Jersey, Sydney, Singapore.
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Speaker 1: DC, and Wilmington. And he's a partner.
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Speaker 2: So what I'm saying the reason I told you that,
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Speaker 2: doctor Cheryl is because he had a facade like no other.
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Speaker 2: That from redfin is their half a million dollar penthouse,
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Speaker 2: a luxury apartment. They also had a beautiful home on
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Speaker 2: Lake Michigan, and there they built this seemingly perfect life together.
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Speaker 1: So I don't.
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Speaker 2: Understand why rich people can't be happy their rent is paid.
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Speaker 1: Look at the sports cars, the luxury cars.
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Speaker 2: Here is the one home. I guess that's the one
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Speaker 2: on Lake Michigan. Beautiful and they're dragging it kind of
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Speaker 2: mars the picture of him being dragged out by the
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Speaker 2: cops on the right. But I don't get why rich
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Speaker 2: people with all their sports cars and their luxury high
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Speaker 2: rise looking out, you know, on the lake, and why
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Speaker 2: can't they be happy? And how did he fool so
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Speaker 2: many people? Hey, doctor Cheryl. When I volunteered for nine
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Speaker 2: years at the Better Women's Center on the hotline, there
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Speaker 2: was a mayor's wife that called in routinely after abuse.
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Speaker 2: She never went public, she never reported it. But it
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Speaker 2: reminds me of this because he had to fool all
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Speaker 2: those law partners in all of those offices all around
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Speaker 2: the world.
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Speaker 1: How do you do it?
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Speaker 7: It's such a waste, isn't it, Because it could be
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Speaker 7: such a beautiful life success and you know, power and
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Speaker 7: luxury and all of these things. But mental health and
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Speaker 7: wealth are not necessarily correlated. And unfortunately we can see
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Speaker 7: this kind of violence and abuse and splitting an inability
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Speaker 7: to be able to enjoy and have a productive life
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Speaker 7: even when you have all these other strengths. We see
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Speaker 7: this in all communities, including the very wealthy, and including
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Speaker 7: people who seem to have it all.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, wese, just go on hold lesage. No, Adam, you're
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Speaker 11: under arrest. Okay, like I told you, you have a
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Speaker 11: felony warrant already from a previous incident here. Okay, there's
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Speaker 11: not there is I know about it. I don't know
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Speaker 11: why I just hold her to before? Why does she
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Speaker 11: not like them?
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Speaker 17: Out?
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Speaker 11: You're arrest in the vaca of ours no Haylen.
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Speaker 3: Tracy believed she had found her soulmate, but their marriage
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Speaker 3: soon turned into a nightmare. As domestic violence shattered their relationship.
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Speaker 3: Kaitlyn filed for a protection order.
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Speaker 2: Caitlin found quote pulverized at the bottom stairwell of a
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Speaker 2: prominent tax attorney in a world wide law firm. How
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Speaker 2: he fooled them for all those years? I don't know,
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Speaker 2: I mean, Debay, I know that you like I was,
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Speaker 2: as a prosecutor more of a freelance gunslinger. You know,
22:19
Speaker 2: you take on a case, you give it all you've got,
22:22
Speaker 2: and then you move on to the next case. Unlike
22:25
Speaker 2: working at a law firm, which I would find excruciating,
22:29
Speaker 2: the billable hours, the sucking up. Uh could you explain
22:34
Speaker 2: to viewers or listeners that don't know how hard it
22:38
Speaker 2: is to make partner at one of these giant firms.
22:41
Speaker 2: I mean they're working literally one hundred hour weeks sometimes
22:45
Speaker 2: to get all the way up to partner. When they
22:47
Speaker 2: get there, it's a lot of handshaking, smiling and socializing.
22:52
Speaker 2: But that said, you know, rain making, but getting there
22:55
Speaker 2: is really hard to bey.
22:58
Speaker 13: And as competitive as the problem because all the associate
23:01
Speaker 13: attorneys all aspire to partnership, and the partner track is very,
23:06
Speaker 13: very difficult to achieve. First of all, you are required,
23:09
Speaker 13: usually not always, to build a minimum of nineteen hundred
23:14
Speaker 13: or two thousand working hours per year, and when you
23:17
Speaker 13: do the match sometimes it could come out to between
23:21
Speaker 13: forty five and fifty hours a week just to keep
23:24
Speaker 13: your job. And if you want to make a little more,
23:26
Speaker 13: you have to build above and beyond that. And certainly
23:29
Speaker 13: if you want to get on the partner track, you're
23:32
Speaker 13: going to have to build maybe one and a half
23:34
Speaker 13: times that amount. And by the time you get all
23:37
Speaker 13: that in and the client has been built all that money,
23:40
Speaker 13: you're so physically exhausted you don't even want partnership anymore.
23:43
Speaker 12: You just want a vacation. It's a very tough gig, and.
23:46
Speaker 2: Frankly, well, I think you're speaking for yourself. I would
23:50
Speaker 2: never have liked that, because I like going out on
23:53
Speaker 2: the street. I liked investigating. I did not want to
23:55
Speaker 2: be in office for all those hours for the rest
23:59
Speaker 2: of my life life. But some people love it, and
24:04
Speaker 2: thank Heaven, they do because they find their niche. I
24:08
Speaker 2: just don't understand how he can fake out so many people.
24:11
Speaker 2: It's hard to reconcile the guy in the law firm
24:15
Speaker 2: photos with the designer suit and silk tie compared to
24:20
Speaker 2: all the mugshots. And he may wonder where did all
24:23
Speaker 2: those mugshots come from.
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Speaker 1: Well, listen, they.
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Speaker 17: Were down our small little grocery store down the street,
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Speaker 17: and she said, I have no idea what I said,
24:33
Speaker 17: but I must have said something that upset him.
24:36
Speaker 1: They got home and.
24:37
Speaker 17: He was mad, and he was angry, and she said,
24:41
Speaker 17: I let him know that I'm walking the doors and
24:43
Speaker 17: I'm not letting you in until you can take a
24:45
Speaker 17: deep breath.
24:46
Speaker 2: Straight out to former homicide detective who shot to the
24:52
Speaker 2: consciousness of the public during the Scott Peterson case, Jean Buehler,
25:00
Speaker 2: By the way, that sound you just hears from our
25:02
Speaker 2: friends at Fox thirty to Chicago, was it you that
25:05
Speaker 2: told me that right after Peterson found out that Lacy's
25:11
Speaker 2: DNA matched the body when it washed up on San
25:15
Speaker 2: Francisco Bay Beach. That that DNA in the DNA of
25:21
Speaker 2: a little baby was absolutely Lacey and Connor. And within
25:27
Speaker 2: a few moments he said he wanted an in and out?
25:30
Speaker 1: Was it in and out?
25:30
Speaker 2: And he wanted a double double with cheese, fries and
25:34
Speaker 2: some special drink.
25:35
Speaker 1: Did you tell me that?
25:36
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a while back, and told it a
25:38
Speaker 6: few times. Ten minutes later maybe, I don't know, maybe
25:41
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes later. Then the control that he had a
25:44
Speaker 6: lot of similarities between this attorney from Chicago, very controlled.
25:47
Speaker 6: Used to get in his own way, Scott hit it
25:49
Speaker 6: a lot better than this guy did.
25:51
Speaker 1: But yeah, he brushed off.
25:54
Speaker 6: The confirmation that his wife and his child were dead,
25:56
Speaker 6: and then he was ready to eat a burger and
25:58
Speaker 6: a fry and nilla shake. So it kind of shows
26:02
Speaker 6: with this guy from Chicago. It kind of falls in
26:04
Speaker 6: line with what Shakespeare wrote Macbeth for this kind of attorney.
26:07
Speaker 6: The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers.
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Speaker 1: This is what he was writing about.
26:12
Speaker 2: You know another fast of that. And of course, Buehler,
26:15
Speaker 2: I know that you're not a psychiatrist or a psychologist.
26:18
Speaker 1: Neither am I.
26:19
Speaker 2: But Peterson just got told a few moments before.
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Speaker 1: Ten minutes or less, we.
26:27
Speaker 2: Got to break it to Peterson that the body that
26:30
Speaker 2: was to shore, the two bodies are definitively your wife
26:34
Speaker 2: Lacey and your son Connor.
26:38
Speaker 1: Within ten minutes, he had his order up here. He
26:41
Speaker 1: wanted a double double cheese, a fry, and of a
26:43
Speaker 1: Neil mil shake. He just blurted it out like nothing
26:47
Speaker 1: had just happened.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was one of those things where we were
26:50
Speaker 6: obviously convinced well before that day that he had killed
26:54
Speaker 6: Lacy and Connor, and so we weren't really expecting much.
26:57
Speaker 6: We wanted to analyze his reaction, but really confirmed for
27:01
Speaker 6: us what he was all about, because when you can
27:04
Speaker 6: contrast his reaction to that with the interviews that he
27:07
Speaker 6: had done and he was faking the tears that he
27:09
Speaker 6: was waiting for the child to come home. He kept
27:11
Speaker 6: the nursery in good shape, but of course he had
27:13
Speaker 6: the porn channel going at the house, and he sold
27:15
Speaker 6: Lacey's car, and he was talking about selling the house,
27:18
Speaker 6: and it fit in line with what he was really
27:20
Speaker 6: all about. And I think that's what's the same thing
27:22
Speaker 6: you have with this guy. This guy, this attorney from Chicago.
27:25
Speaker 6: I don't even want to mention his name. He just
27:27
Speaker 6: wasn't as controlled as Scott was probably equally as charming
27:30
Speaker 6: in the right circumstance. But he can see in the
27:33
Speaker 6: videos that you're showing and all the stuff that he
27:35
Speaker 6: was doing when he loses control, when he doesn't have
27:38
Speaker 6: control over the situation, he pretty much freaks out in
27:40
Speaker 6: this and that's where the problem came in for our
27:45
Speaker 6: victim on this. It just was terrible for her to
27:47
Speaker 6: put up with this. But nice people mixing up with evil.
27:52
Speaker 6: Nice people make excuses for evil, and sometimes it ends poorly,
27:55
Speaker 6: like I did hear.
27:57
Speaker 2: You Know what I noticed, doctor Sheryl Eric, doctor Eric,
28:01
Speaker 2: clinical forensic psychologist specializing in trauma recovery, is when the neighbor,
28:06
Speaker 2: her name is Joyce Lance, that's the Michigan neighbor, stated
28:11
Speaker 2: that she heard the victim state I must have said
28:17
Speaker 2: something that upset him. And I found that to be universe,
28:22
Speaker 2: almost universal, that the female victim always thinks she did
28:27
Speaker 2: something to cause the beating, which is entirely bad backwards.
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Speaker 7: Exactly exactly, and she says this because the abusers over
28:41
Speaker 7: and over again, say you made me do this, You
28:45
Speaker 7: made me mad. If you hadn't done this, if you
28:47
Speaker 7: had only done that, And a lot of the time,
28:50
Speaker 7: these nice people who mix with evil, as your previous
28:53
Speaker 7: guest was saying, stay a long time because they overestimate
28:58
Speaker 7: how much they can be helpful and make everything nice.
29:01
Speaker 7: They believe that somehow, if they can be different or
29:04
Speaker 7: not upset the batterer or do everything exactly right, that
29:10
Speaker 7: they can make things be peaceful, and they can make
29:12
Speaker 7: the guy be the sweet, charming guy that they initially met,
29:16
Speaker 7: who they thought he really was, And so they take
29:19
Speaker 7: on responsibility. When they're not responsible for any of the
29:22
Speaker 7: violence that the batterer does, that's on them.
29:25
Speaker 2: We are hearing the neighbor describe how the couple was
29:31
Speaker 2: at a little grocery store down the street and the victim, Caitlin,
29:36
Speaker 2: was saying, I don't know what I did to upset him,
29:39
Speaker 2: and she said that I let him know I'm locking
29:41
Speaker 2: the doors and not letting him in until he can
29:44
Speaker 2: take a deep breath.
29:46
Speaker 1: She locked the doors that day, but it didn't work.
29:50
Speaker 17: Apparently, then he went around to the sunroom in the
29:53
Speaker 17: back of the house, and came in. She tried to
29:56
Speaker 17: run and get away from him, and she describes hiding
30:01
Speaker 17: underneath the dining room table. She described him pulling her
30:05
Speaker 17: out by her hair. She described at some point during
30:08
Speaker 17: all of this, grabbing her phone and calling nine to
30:11
Speaker 17: one one.
30:12
Speaker 18: She said, I don't know if there's anything here because
30:16
Speaker 18: he's a strain one.
30:17
Speaker 15: That's what he does.
30:18
Speaker 2: From our friends Fox thirty to Chicago, Debay, a beautiful
30:22
Speaker 2: woman who vaulted to the top of her field, has
30:27
Speaker 2: to hide under the dining room table after she thinks
30:30
Speaker 2: she locked.
30:30
Speaker 1: All the doors. She gets through the sunroom.
30:33
Speaker 2: And this is not even the incident where she's thrown
30:36
Speaker 2: for she's found at the bottom of a stairwheel, missing
30:40
Speaker 2: a foot and pulverized.
30:42
Speaker 1: This is a prior incident. How is there any way?
30:46
Speaker 2: And I believe that there is if this case ever
30:49
Speaker 2: goes to trial, that these prior incidents can come into
30:54
Speaker 2: evans because this neighbor is recounting what Caitlin told her.
30:59
Speaker 1: Kate Ln is dead now, Yeah.
31:02
Speaker 13: The judge can let it in to prove something other
31:05
Speaker 13: than his bad character. So for example, the intent to
31:08
Speaker 13: do evil, the intent to harm, to show that he
31:12
Speaker 13: has an excuse for everything. You just offer it for
31:14
Speaker 13: some non character purpose, and it's all going to come in.
31:18
Speaker 13: Not to mention that most states, including California, and I'm
31:21
Speaker 13: sure that Illinois is in accord, they have a special
31:25
Speaker 13: statute in their rules of evidence that specifically allow for
31:28
Speaker 13: prior incidents of domestic violence to come in, not so
31:32
Speaker 13: much to show propensity, but to show a pattern of
31:35
Speaker 13: behavior in the abuser. So the law allows for them
31:39
Speaker 13: the real task.
31:39
Speaker 2: Of course, dubay Is does a similar transaction. It doesn't
31:43
Speaker 2: necessarily have to be a fingerprint crime, but does it
31:47
Speaker 2: tend to prove the case in chief, whether showing course
31:50
Speaker 2: of conduct, motive, frame of mind, scheme plan, And in this.
31:56
Speaker 1: Case it did.
31:57
Speaker 2: And it breaks my heart to think she was running
31:59
Speaker 2: around locking all the doors and he's snuck.
32:02
Speaker 1: In through the sunroom.
32:05
Speaker 2: And you know, doctor Cheryl, you mentioned some stats on
32:09
Speaker 2: when strangulation was used as a method to method to
32:12
Speaker 2: some do the female victim that it's seven hundred and
32:16
Speaker 2: fifty times more likely that a homicide will occur.
32:20
Speaker 1: Well, you just.
32:20
Speaker 2: Heard another neighbor, Bunny Coiner, state that she Caitlin, the victim,
32:27
Speaker 2: said he's a strangler that's what he does. And the
32:33
Speaker 2: neighbor gestured to her neck.
32:35
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's tragic, and the correlation is so high. I mean,
32:40
Speaker 7: in the continuum of domestic violence risk, when somebody stops
32:46
Speaker 7: you from breathing and stops the blood float to your brain,
32:49
Speaker 7: you can lose consciousness within ten seconds and you can
32:52
Speaker 7: die within a few minutes. And the unconsciousness to deathline
32:56
Speaker 7: is so small, that is that it is the most
33:00
Speaker 7: dangerous thing before death and a homicide in terms of
33:04
Speaker 7: this risk. And the stats really are mind blowing, they
33:07
Speaker 7: really are. And I just hope that people who know
33:10
Speaker 7: of anyone who is in this situation, if there has
33:13
Speaker 7: been even non lethal strangulation, which doesn't even necessarily show
33:17
Speaker 7: a mark. Sometimes you'll see marks on the perpetrator because
33:21
Speaker 7: someone's fighting, like hell, they get their hands off their
33:23
Speaker 7: own neck. But if that has happened, the risk of
33:27
Speaker 7: homicide following that is so high that it's very important
33:31
Speaker 7: that people know how very dangerous this is.
33:34
Speaker 1: She said, I don't know.
33:35
Speaker 18: If there's anything here, because he's a strong way, that's
33:40
Speaker 18: what he.
33:40
Speaker 1: Does, Fox serty to say Chicaga under duress.
33:44
Speaker 3: Caitlin dropped the protection order after being threatened months later,
33:47
Speaker 3: as she made a desperate nine one one call accusing
33:50
Speaker 3: her husband of assault and theft. Police arrived to find
33:54
Speaker 3: a visible injuries on Caitlyn, leading to Beckering's arrest, but
33:57
Speaker 3: then Gitlin mysteriously vanish.
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Speaker 1: Many of the couple's neighbors knew.
34:05
Speaker 2: Has this been in articles? There was trouble in Paradise. Boy,
34:08
Speaker 2: that's putting it mildly. It's been called incidents, has been
34:12
Speaker 2: called misunderstandings. It's called a domestic which brings up warm,
34:17
Speaker 2: fuzzy I you know images, you know Christmas card with
34:23
Speaker 2: the family all around the fireplace. Domestic It is anything,
34:27
Speaker 2: but it is bloody and brutal, and this is where
34:32
Speaker 2: it's landed us.
34:33
Speaker 19: A resident at Grant luxury condos stop short when they
34:36
Speaker 19: see a severed human foot at the bottom of the
34:39
Speaker 19: second floor stairwell that looks too real to be a
34:42
Speaker 19: Halloween decoration. Their doorman calls nine to one one in
34:45
Speaker 19: a panic after discovering the rest of a woman's body
34:48
Speaker 19: three floors up. Investigators swarmed the high rise and determine
34:52
Speaker 19: the victim fell at least twenty stories.
34:55
Speaker 2: Harry and Alexander, we'd been told twenty four stories. How
35:00
Speaker 2: do you fall down twenty four stories?
35:05
Speaker 1: And what about her foot?
35:08
Speaker 9: Gone, yeah, that's right.
35:11
Speaker 14: So prosecutors are saying that she was actually pushed or thrown.
35:16
Speaker 9: Twenty four stories from his apartment.
35:20
Speaker 14: The body, as you said, was described as being pulverized,
35:24
Speaker 14: so it took some time for the autopsy to be done,
35:28
Speaker 14: and given the height of the fall, that would be
35:31
Speaker 14: how the foot would be severed.
35:33
Speaker 9: But you're right it it's pretty grim.
35:36
Speaker 2: Indeed, Well, I'm still confused about how your foot is
35:39
Speaker 2: severed during a fall downstairs. So I guess we're going
35:43
Speaker 2: to have to go to our medical examiner. But first
35:45
Speaker 2: I want doctor Coyne to hear this.
35:47
Speaker 10: Caitlin's body pulverized while falling twenty four floors, multiple skull fractures,
35:53
Speaker 10: a deep gaping laceration on the back of her head
35:55
Speaker 10: exposing cranial content, cuts and bruises to her face and neck,
36:00
Speaker 10: badly broken nose, internal organ sliced, and a severed foot.
36:05
Speaker 10: Caitlin also suffered an eleven inch laceration on her torso
36:08
Speaker 10: and the corner made note of a twelve x ten
36:11
Speaker 10: inch area of intense black and brown abrasions on her back, I.
36:14
Speaker 2: Don't understand the layout of how she could fall twenty
36:18
Speaker 2: four flies. That said straight out to a renowned medical examiner,
36:24
Speaker 2: Doctor Thomas Coin is joining US Chief Medical Examiner District
36:28
Speaker 2: of the Medical Examiner's Office in Florida. Forensic pathologist, toxicologist,
36:34
Speaker 2: and neuro pathologist Dodger Coin, thank you for being with us.
36:38
Speaker 2: Can you make headge of tails out of what we're learning?
36:40
Speaker 2: The medical examiner there said, yeah, sure.
36:44
Speaker 20: We often think when we think of a person who
36:47
Speaker 20: falls from a building or a high height, we think
36:51
Speaker 20: we'll be seeing a movie right where a body lands,
36:53
Speaker 20: maybe crashing on the roof of a car or on
36:55
Speaker 20: a sidewalk. The body is intact, with the blood slowly
36:58
Speaker 20: trickling out of the head air. But in reality, when
37:01
Speaker 20: a body strikes a ground from a high rise fall
37:04
Speaker 20: let's say twenty plus stories, the impact is so forceful
37:09
Speaker 20: due to the sudden infantaneous deceleration that it tears the
37:13
Speaker 20: body apart. So you will have tearing of the skin,
37:17
Speaker 20: fracturing of the bone. As a bone fracture, they can
37:20
Speaker 20: further tear through skin, and so more often than not,
37:23
Speaker 20: the body will not be intact. You'll have appendages, or
37:28
Speaker 20: even internal organs that have been thrown from the body
37:30
Speaker 20: and are found yards away. I've had whole brains that
37:34
Speaker 20: have completely come out of the head and have been
37:36
Speaker 20: found more than ten yards away from the body after impact.
37:40
Speaker 20: So it's very common, more common to actually have a
37:43
Speaker 20: body not be intact after an impact of that height.
37:47
Speaker 1: Gotch a coin. I want to understand something.
37:50
Speaker 2: We have been told she was found at the bottom
37:53
Speaker 2: of a stairwell. We've also been told she fell twenty
37:59
Speaker 2: four stories. When you think of someone at the bottom
38:04
Speaker 2: of a stairwell, you think they've come down the stairs.
38:09
Speaker 2: So she would have had to go down one set
38:13
Speaker 2: of stairs, then a landing, then another set of stairs,
38:16
Speaker 2: then a landing. Under the building code, you cannot have
38:20
Speaker 2: twenty four stories of steps going straight down. There has
38:25
Speaker 2: to be a landing every twenty thirty steps.
38:29
Speaker 1: There has to be under the wall fell down, So yeah, okay,
38:34
Speaker 1: what's your serious?
38:35
Speaker 20: When you walk down the stairwells of a large building,
38:38
Speaker 20: you can peer over the railing and you see that
38:40
Speaker 20: there's that drop all the way down in between the
38:43
Speaker 20: stairs as the stairs are winding around going downward. My
38:47
Speaker 20: assumption is that she was pushed over the railing and
38:50
Speaker 20: then fell down in between those stairs all the way
38:53
Speaker 20: down those twenty four flights, because that's the only way
38:56
Speaker 20: it can describe injuries that are catastrophic such that they
38:59
Speaker 20: could be just that's pulverized as she fell down each
39:04
Speaker 20: individual stairwell. She wouldn't have such severe injuries. She would
39:07
Speaker 20: have injuries, of course, but not that severe.
39:16
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
39:22
Speaker 2: Harriet Alexander, senior features writer delimail dot Com. Does that
39:27
Speaker 2: make sense coins analysis?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, absolutely, in that you know, if she's.
39:33
Speaker 14: Falling staircase by staircase by staircase, her fall is being slowed,
39:39
Speaker 14: so it's not going to be catastrophic, and then you'd
39:42
Speaker 14: have someone presumably pushing her rolling her down the stairs.
39:46
Speaker 16: Whereas, if you think about it, if she is pushed
39:50
Speaker 16: tipped over the gap essentially the hole that is in
39:54
Speaker 16: this in the middle of the stairwell, then she could
39:58
Speaker 16: plummet straight down.
39:59
Speaker 9: So it's the same as if you topple over.
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Speaker 14: A balcony and you land on the ground beneath on
40:05
Speaker 14: the building.
40:06
Speaker 9: You are going pretty much straight down. But back to your.
40:09
Speaker 14: Point as to how the foot could have been severed,
40:11
Speaker 14: You know the body doesn't necessarily drop exactly like a stone.
40:16
Speaker 9: It could be zig.
40:17
Speaker 14: Zagging around somewhat in this free fall, and that could
40:21
Speaker 14: certainly contribute to the injuries, because if you're falling at speed,
40:25
Speaker 14: you could be bashing into the metal, into the stairway,
40:28
Speaker 14: into the concrete, into the railings of the stairs, and
40:31
Speaker 14: that could have caused some.
40:32
Speaker 9: Of the injuries as well as she.
40:33
Speaker 2: Fell two from a homicide Detective John Buehler.
40:40
Speaker 1: In big high rises like that, you.
40:42
Speaker 2: Have a trash shoot, and you don't go down to
40:45
Speaker 2: the bottom floor to leave your trash on the curb.
40:48
Speaker 2: You put it down a shoot and goes all the
40:50
Speaker 2: way down. You can hear it going all the way down.
40:53
Speaker 2: It's as if, allegedly he pushed her over the edge,
40:59
Speaker 2: like you would just throw trash on the trash sheet
41:02
Speaker 2: and that's it.
41:03
Speaker 1: She's gone. Yeah, that's kind of the way I read it.
41:06
Speaker 6: You know, the forensic pathologists, I think nailed it pretty
41:09
Speaker 6: good architecturally that you got the stairs going around what
41:12
Speaker 6: essentially would be almost like an elevator shaft, and so
41:15
Speaker 6: it seems like he might have pushed her over the
41:17
Speaker 6: railing and she went down in between the stairs all
41:19
Speaker 6: the way down, possibly bouncing off a couple of them
41:21
Speaker 6: on the way down, counting for the injuries. But when
41:24
Speaker 6: you describe the injuries, Nancy, I'm wondering how many of
41:26
Speaker 6: those that this piece of crap gave her before he
41:30
Speaker 6: tossed her over the railing. It seems to me that
41:33
Speaker 6: might be something of interest. The forensic pathologists may be
41:36
Speaker 6: able to determine that, possibly, but it just goes along
41:39
Speaker 6: with the whole thing. The circumstantial evidence on this case
41:43
Speaker 6: points directly at this guy and no place else. No
41:46
Speaker 6: indication of attempted suicide or anything like that from Caitlin
41:50
Speaker 6: before this came about. It just shows that she was
41:54
Speaker 6: willing to forgive some of the things that he was doing.
41:56
Speaker 6: And it all fits with doctor Cheryl's take on the
41:59
Speaker 6: power control old domestic violence wheel. Everything fits into place
42:03
Speaker 6: on that when it comes to Caitlin and this attorney.
42:06
Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner with US investigative reporter with Crime Stories, Sydney
42:11
Speaker 2: was her foot sound that.
42:14
Speaker 4: Was actually what was found. First, a resident stumbled across
42:19
Speaker 4: a foot on the second floor, reported it to a doorman,
42:23
Speaker 4: who then searched the starewell and stumbled on Caitlin's body
42:28
Speaker 4: three floors up, so the foot continued to fall after
42:32
Speaker 4: Caitlyn's body stopped.
42:33
Speaker 10: In September twenty twenty three, Caitlin breaks up with becker
42:36
Speaker 10: Ink after a confrontation at the Ritz Carlton Chicago, when
42:39
Speaker 10: Beckerink enters Kaitlin's hotel room while she sleeps and assaults her.
42:43
Speaker 10: But Beckerin continues to call and harassed Kaitlin until she
42:46
Speaker 10: files in order of protection eight weeks after the breakup,
42:49
Speaker 10: stating Beckering calls her twenty times a day, calls her
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Speaker 10: a liar, cheater, whoor piece of excrement. She also documents
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Speaker 10: repeated assaults, including an attack in August where Beckering quote
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Speaker 10: lam my head against a cabinet, slap me, punched me,
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Speaker 10: put my head in a headlock, and dragged me away
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Speaker 10: from the door, and attempted to sexually abuse me. Caitlin
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Speaker 10: filed for an emergency protection order against becker Ring just
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Speaker 10: two months before the first attack.
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories investigative reporter Sydney s owner with us and
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Speaker 2: in that attack, not the alleged murder, but in that attack,
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Speaker 2: isn't it true the defendant tax attorney Beckering got a
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Speaker 2: sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 1: He didn't even plead guilty.
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Speaker 2: He pled no lo contender, I don't contest it to
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Speaker 2: reduce charges of domestic violence.
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Speaker 1: And interfering with a nine to one one call. A
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Speaker 1: lot of other charges were dropped.
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Speaker 2: He got ninety three days for that, on which you
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Speaker 2: probably do maybe twenty.
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Speaker 4: Right, he pled no contest, dropping almost all of the
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Speaker 4: charges against him. So what he pled to was the
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Speaker 4: January thirteenth attack before their marriage. So where we saw
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Speaker 4: the body, can he's begging, pleading, don't arrest me, the
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Speaker 4: cost telling you already have a felony warn out. Why
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Speaker 4: are you surprised at what's happening right now? That is
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Speaker 4: the case that he pled guilty to. He did not
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Speaker 4: or pled no contest to. He did not even cop
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Speaker 4: to what happened on August sixteenth that we witnessed in
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Speaker 4: that body.
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Speaker 2: Can okay, Philip do that you're the veteran defense attorney.
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Speaker 2: What's your argument if you take this to trial? What
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Speaker 2: do you do?
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Speaker 1: What climate was just a big accident?
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Speaker 13: Is causation And this is what I would present to
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Speaker 13: the jury. First of all, you have a coroner who's
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Speaker 13: saying that.
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Speaker 12: The manner of death is.
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Speaker 13: Undetermined, cause of death obviously is traumatic injury to the body.
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Speaker 13: What I would present is that, in all their emotionality,
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Speaker 13: exasperation and hysteria, she made a run for it, and
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Speaker 13: she took to the stairs, and while running down those stairs,
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Speaker 13: she lost her footing. She fell over the railing into
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Speaker 13: the well hole to her death. That is a causation argument.
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Speaker 13: You cannot ascribe her death to being chased by a defendant.
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Speaker 13: The death has to be at the hands of another
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Speaker 13: and not due to her losing her footing. That would
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Speaker 13: be the argument that is called causey.
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Speaker 2: Did you say losing her footing or losing her foot debay?
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Speaker 1: Do you say anybody's really gonna.
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Speaker 2: Believe she would committed suicide by jumping over a rail
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Speaker 2: or fail down twenty four flights of steps?
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Speaker 1: Are you serious?
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Speaker 12: That's serious?
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Speaker 13: Because murder is not his mo He doesn't have murder
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Speaker 13: on his rap sheet. And I'll give you he is
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Speaker 13: not husband of the year, he's not boyfriend of the year.
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Speaker 12: But he did not cause the death.
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Speaker 13: And I think they're going to have a hard time
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Speaker 13: proving that this was in fact a homicide, particularly.
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Speaker 12: When the coroner has already found it undetermined.
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Speaker 2: Well, what about the fact Harry Alexander that he then
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Speaker 2: reports that she's been missing for a substantial period of
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Speaker 2: time and police find video of them together, like seventy
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Speaker 2: two hours before he reports her missing, saying, what, she's
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Speaker 2: been gone for months or weeks, So why lie about
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Speaker 2: it if there's nothing the furious going on?
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Speaker 16: Right?
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Speaker 14: I mean, that's true, Nancy, And I think it goes
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Speaker 14: to the point that you can have somebody who is
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Speaker 14: objectively smart. I mean, you don't get to be a
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Speaker 14: partner in a top law firm without being intelligent.
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Speaker 21: And yet on the other hand, you know, we do
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Speaker 21: things that are really very stupid, like the fact that
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Speaker 21: he claimed that he hadn't seen her for a while,
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Speaker 21: that she had been missing for months, and yet there's
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Speaker 21: surveillance footage of them together.
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Speaker 9: In that actual apartment three days before.
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Speaker 14: So you know, that rapidly unravels, and it really doesn't
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Speaker 14: help his case because a jury is going to look
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Speaker 14: at that and think you can't be trusted.
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Speaker 2: And even to the her and he flies with her
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Speaker 2: family over what's left her remains.
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Speaker 22: We can't imagine why he would want to keep Caitlin
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Speaker 22: away from her family. Even now, we will continue to
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Speaker 22: fight until Caitlin is laid to rest, surrounded by family
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Speaker 22: who loved and supported her.
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Speaker 19: Without proof of involvement in Caitlyn's death, Beckerink is released
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Speaker 19: and wants custody of her remains, but her parents file
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Speaker 19: a motion to prevent their daughter from again coming under
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Speaker 19: her accused abuser's control. Doctor Monica and Andrew Tracy cite
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Speaker 19: the accusations in Caitlin's order of protection.
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Speaker 1: And the domestic violence case against.
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Speaker 19: Beckerink as reasons her remain should be released to them,
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Speaker 19: not her husband of just six months. After a heated
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Speaker 19: legal battle, a judge agrees with the Tracys, allowing them
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Speaker 19: to lay Caitlin to rest.
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Speaker 2: From ABC seven Chicago as we go to air tonight,
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Speaker 2: the husband in this case, Adam Beckernk, is presumed innocent.
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Speaker 1: In the death of his young wife, Caitlin.
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Speaker 2: If you know or think you know anything about this case,
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Speaker 2: even if you think it's inconsequential, please dial three one
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Speaker 2: two seven four six six thousand, repeat three one two
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Speaker 2: seven four six six thousand.
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Speaker 1: And if you or someone you know is.
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Speaker 2: A victim of domestic violence, please dial toll free eight
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Speaker 2: hundred seven ninety nine, Safe Safe eight hundred seven nine
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Speaker 2: nine seven two three three Nancy Gray signing off Goodbye Friend,