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Adobe Stealing Your Personal Files | Web3 Storage & Privacy with Sarah Buxton · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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All right, a ton happening today. Of course, we're going to be
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diving into a little bit of the privacy scenarios that are going on. We're
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going to talk a little bit about Adobe, but also a lot of Web
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three projects that are starting to bridge the gap between privacy and use case around
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DAPs. We'll break it all down for you to go. A special co
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to get going. I want to introduce our co host today and one who's
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been on the show before many times, but that is miss Sarah Bux So
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great to have you, Hi, Pool. I'm looking forward to this.
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Yeah, we're going to break down a lot of stuff. We're going to
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get into a little bit of I think when you look at just what's happening
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right now in the open markets, Adobe's first big move, which I think
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this is such a bad time scenario for Adobe, especially when you think about
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just Web three privacy in general, and Adobe of course has now installed somewhat
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spyware like terms of service update. This one's pretty bad because it's requiring you
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to do a lot of things to actually use the software, and many creators
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use Adobe on an ongoing basis. What is your take right now on this
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happening? The biggest problem I have with it is the way it's phrased.
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This we may may access your content. I want to see something that says
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we can't actually access your content even if we want to. I think we're
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a little bit done with big companies and their terms of service being open to
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their own interpretation. So I think it's like you say, I think it's
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a little bit of a miss to say the least this one. So I
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want to play a clip for you. This is an attorney that talks about
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these new Adobe terms. Listen, and what do you have to say if
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you are a professional, if you are under nda with your clients, if
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you are creative a lawyer, guilty is charged. It's time to cancel Adobe,
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delete all the apps and programs. Adobe cannot be trusted. Once you
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see a company change terms and conditions and they break your trust, that's not
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something that a lawyer can I'm just a lawyer. I'm not a doctor.
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But doctors have that even more with respect to really really personal information about people
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and about what might or might not be wrong with them. And indeed,
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if you look at the actual contract itself, for example, now notably from
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a legal perspective, for example, is not a looting provision. It's an
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illustrative provision, it provides an illustration, so you can't read this as the
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only reason that they could use your content in order to provide the services and
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software we may need to access, view, or listen to your content to
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detect, prevent, or otherwise address fraud, security, legal, or technical
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issues. That starts to get a little bit frightening. I was looking at
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this tweet right here. Can't even uninstall photoshop right now unless I agree to
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the term, So you couldn't even get out of it right now. So
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this is one of those scenarios. I think this may backfire on them.
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Do you think they'll backtrack this? I think it's really difficult to batschrap.
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It's like with when Sam Altman with the open AI scandal. I say scandal
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in the lease of sense because there's so many with those guys, bless them,
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but with the her voice and no, no, no, it's not
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scarlet and it's like it's so close and you called her, I don't.
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I think we're going to see a lot more of this, which is plausible
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deniability. And I think with this, you know, with these scenarios,
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it's going to get more and more tricky, particularly for creators. And you
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look at what Canva are doing as well with the AI tools are meant to
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be there to sort of empower creative people and to allow them to work more
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efficiently. It doesn't feel that way if you're actually able to rip their stuff
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off without paying them for it. Right. So yeah, I'll be interested
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see how they react to this. It's going to be quite difficult to climb
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down without saying we're wrong, and in my experience, companies like this don't
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like to say they're wrong. Well, and one of the things you look
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at just the impact of the creator community. This is a good example.
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This was on nine to five back. This is movie director Duncan Jones.
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He was pretty blunt, you know, said, hey, we're working on
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a bloody movie here. No, you don't suddenly have the right to any
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of the work we are doing on it because we pay the use photoshop.
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So I want to get into a little bit about storage because this is something
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that a lot of people don't realize. With Web three, there's a lot
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of storage solutions out there. This of course could open up with Adobe,
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especially because of the files that I have, you know, and if I
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want to shore those in another place other than to where they have access to
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it. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, let's go play a clip
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for this. This is a lawyer talking about infiltrating personal PC storages listening perhaps
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more broadly than it needs to be, and in particular the definition of content
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is. But we're really going to get hung up because when we look at
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four point one, content could have said stuff that gets uploaded to our servers,
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right, But instead, because this is broadly drafted for every piece of
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software that they make, content in this instance means any text, information,
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communication, or materials such as audio files, video files, electronic documents or
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images that you upload, import into embed for you, spy, or create
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using the services and software. Now we've got a concern because content is so
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broadly drafted that if they're allowed to look at anything in content land, we're
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a little bit worried that they can look at anything that they we have on
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our computers and they can get into our private information and our customer is private
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information, right, that's the big concern. Yeah, So this is hitting
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home right now with a lot of companies. I don't know if many creators
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truly understand the impact just yet. And we'll see you know how you know
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the backlash may attempt hopefully push Adobe into a correction here as al Adam's estate
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blasted them as well, they ended up using some of his photography and actually
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we're selling it as stock photography and to go in, Yeah, that's crazy,
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that's crazy. This all happening right here, Sarah. They're announcing their
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are Q two earnings. So so yeah, Q two earnings not a good
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time to be announcing this. This is going to be well you say that,
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I suppose, you know, updating these terms of service so they can
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be more AI focused is exactly what they're trying to do. They're trying to
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be relevant, but you have to do it in a way that you're not
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going to, you know, completely alienate your core company. You know,
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your youre customers. And I think you touched on it just then as well.
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I think it's not just you know, my IP and my work.
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If I'm a creative, I've signed NDA's, I've signed contracts, I'm working
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on other people's things. So now all of a sudden, you are putting
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me and my company or my livelihood in jeopardy. And I think that's what
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people are going to really wrestle to understand is where where is that that thread
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for who owns the data and under what basis? So I think bigger companies
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are going to have a problem with this as well, not just freelancers to
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a couple other things to look at here, as it's not just Adobe.
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You've got Dropox, Slack, Microsoft, all being kind of the SaaS providers
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all going into these you know, heightened issues with terms and conditions being changed,
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and much of it has been around the generative AI efforts. Do you
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think that's about to change? Are we aut of privacy? You know?
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Chasm so to speak? I wish I could say we were. You know,
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I was a one of the most prestigious tech conferences in the world last
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week and people were giving away their email addresses for some popcorn. So I
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think we've got a long way to go for to be really clear on privacy.
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We will get there, but we're not there yet. I don't I
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don't think the opportunity here I think for decentralization, especially when you look at
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all the web three potentials out there, one of course, is going to
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be the peer to peer side of things from a cloud storage standpoint, because
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that at some point that will become a major factor in how many of these
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SAS services are going to be working. Here was a paper that was written
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all the way back in twenty fourteen five Ittallic, and there's Butter right there
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talking about peer peer cloud storage and the networks that it was going to represent,
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and a lot of which was on you know, the project that I
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think he talks about a lot which is storage storage right there, showing a
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little bit of a resurrection here just in the last little bit coming up,
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maybe because of what's happening here with a lot of these SAS services realizing that
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you know, your local storage is now their storage for their AI models to
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train on. If you look at other tokens you've got, are we kind
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of in that mix and file coin, et cetera. What are your thoughts
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on these on these tokens that kind of represent Web three storage, do you
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think they have a future? Sure answer, yes, I think they were
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massively overhyped and overcooked, so I don't. I think there's probably a natural
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correction that's happening, but there's clearly a need for them. I wouldn't necessarily
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look at the token values right now as reflective of the future, because I
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do think there was an awful lot of hype around them the time, and
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I think what we're going to see, I hope, genuinely, I hope
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what we're going to see is a little bit of mass market use case come
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into play now and for those tokens to carry on performing for the holders and
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obviously for the projects because we need those projects are the one I'm doing included,
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right, So yeah, for sure, Flow is a good example one
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right here. If you own one Flow token, essentially you've got one hundred
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megabyte megabytes of online storage there within Flow. I want to play a clip
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that goes into this a little bit deeper. Let's jump to that. We
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believe that the defining characteristics of ordins inscriptions was not necessarily the technical implementation,
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but how the images are stored directly on the blockchain, and the metadata doesn't
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just point to an image URL in a centralized database or IPFS, it's on
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chain. You can choose your inscription type, so whether it be a domain
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text or image I love Cadence do, Flow can then confirm the inscription and
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then pay, approve and done. Now that the inscriptions created successfully, we've
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already seen people upload photos of their dogs digital artists creating art collections and people
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inscribing AI generated images. With the Crescendo upgrade cadence one point zero EVM on
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flow and more, it looks like twenty twenty four is going to be a
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huge year for Flow blockchain. Some of the things Dapper Labs now is today
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they're legal resolution that reaffirmed two of their most important positions. One was that
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the flow is not a security in the same way that trading cards aren't a
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security. So they've kind of won that to a certain extent. I really
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like this hive mapper, which is the token honey, I think, and
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that whole thing is about, yeah, we want your data. We're going
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to be honest that we want your data, just like render is right,
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but we are unlike render, which is going to reduce the cost for taking
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your data, We're going to encourage you to drive around and then we're going
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to give you rewards for doing that. So there is this sort of relationship
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forming where we're starting to understand that AI is not going anywhere, but how
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do we as customers and users and creators benefit from it rather than get maybe
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constrained by it. And I think there was a brilliant quote, and forgive
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me, I can't remember where it's from. This lady was saying, you
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know, I want AI so that I don't have to do medial chores.
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Basically, not me do medial chores, whether while the AI is going off
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and painting and writing. That's not what I wanted, and an actual fact,
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that's kind of what we've got right now. So it is interesting to
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see how this dynamic plays out. But I think rewards and privacy, which
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is why we were talking about obviously like lights of storage and stuff. I
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think it is important of knowing where our data is and if we even want
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to give that up and for what price. Well, staying on the privacy
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note, because this gets us into the next layer of some of the web
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three DAPs that are starting to develop. One, of course, is only
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one. This is a project that's been out there for a little while but
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has recently started to gain a little bit of traction. One of the things
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that they're they're doing that is a little bit different. They're paying creators now.
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You know, granted it's kind of the only fans model right now,
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but I anticipate we'll see this in all aspects of creators, whether it's chefs
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coming in and saying, hey, I'm going to create you you know xyz,
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other types of creators, maybe even musicians coming into this market. But
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the cool thing is is that it has a lot of the models of what
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the traditional side of where Web two is. Do you think something like this
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has a shot in Web three? Could it go viral? I hate to
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say it, but you know, adult entertainment, it tends to lead the
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way, doesn't it in many technological advances. So it's so weird in some
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ways, you know, it's meant to you know, devalue us, and
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then in other ways, obviously it definitely trailblazes, you know, particularly with
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technology platforms forward. So I agree with you. I think if you look
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at this purely from a content is content point of view, why wouldn't musicians
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use this, Why wouldn't content creators use this? And actually, is this
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maybe a better way than trying to launch some sort of half baked social media
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app on the back of one or two topic areas. I think this is
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actually a much more slick solution. So yeah, I'm quite interested to see
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where this one goes. For sure. I think I'm looking I'm looking at
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the trigger warning on everybody. I'm looking at the only one app right now.
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And the reason that I'm looking at this it's just your account pal,
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be honest. Well you can get there without logging in, so you can
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get verified there. But the point I wanted to get had was this right
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here, and I'm going to showcase this right here. So I know this
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is a friends with benefits, but the point is you see that token right
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there, that's a USDC. That's USDC in there, So you've got the
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ability to go in and buy that almost like an n FT and guess what,
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you can also resell it right there, so it truly has that n
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FT connectivity. I'm thinking this as music. I'm thinking of this as recipes
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other things that you know, respectable people might want to use. But the
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point is a lot happening with the technology. You know. So this guy
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spent forty K for a date night. Poor guy, forty dollars Sarah for
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a date night. Wow, that's a high bar, isn't it to be?
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To be fair, You're going to have to really put on a nice
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outfit and eat a good steak for that, honey. I mean wow,
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But I think you're right. I think it's like, look beyond that,
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look beyond the implications of this, you know, add our entertainment, you
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know, people doing things that are a little on the edge, that that's
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what pushes technology boundaries, that's what people like to you know, it's worth
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taking a risk for I suppose some of the you know that maybe the traits
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that make us human beings, you could argue. But what's interesting is what
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comes next, What comes next to make this something that you me other people
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might be interested in. And I think you hit the net on the head
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when you're talking about you know, I'm not a massive cook, but I
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can. I can get the whole idea of chefs doing this and musicians doing
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this. It feels like it's a really good opportunity for creators to have some
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control and some surety around their earnings as well. And I don't see that
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that is a bad thing. You've got to have a viral moment for any
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of these things to get big enough to draw in the rest. So one
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of the things that only one is doing this is Charlotte Parks. She is
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kind of the front face of where this is going. We're gonna play a
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clip for this one. Take a look. Excuse me? What do you
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do for a living? Do you want to toll on my house? And
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you can guess what I do? Oh? Yeah, so this is my
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house. You're welcome. Okay, So we have this multial little comeback Gayly,
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Well, what's that penguin thing? Yeah? What is that? Oh?
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It's my little podgy penguin. I'm an only one model, which means
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you can buy spicy pictures of me with cryptoe How do I do that?
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Just click the link above in my Instagram bios. But that's a viral moment?
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Is that a viral moment? Are we going to see something explode here
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with projects like this? I don't know that that's a viral moment. I
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think that we have to be really careful. And you've done these videos and
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I watch them when you're talking about celebrities coming in and crypto coins and what
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they're actually doing for the space and if they're adding value. So I think
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some of this will be maybe viewed with some cynicism, even with people within
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our space to understand what we're doing is like a bit of a cash grab.
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And you mentioned Patreon, and I think that that's the point, isn't
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it. It's it's got to be Patreon but better. And so if it's
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combining Patreon with a far caster, combined with a TikTok, and it's got
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a crypto element to it, that becomes exciting. I you know, content
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of a certain ilk can help drive some initial interest, but I think there's
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that kind of content everywhere, right, so there has to be something that's
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delivering value. And I think we're all more than like a couple of things,
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right Like we might like pets, or we might like cooking, or
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we might like sports. But it's that taking people from one type of content
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and pulling them into another mass content. And I do think sports is a
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really untapped area because that's something that people are super passionate about, whether it's
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the commentary, whether it's the athletes, whether it's the insights. So music
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sport. I will start to believe it when I see maybe another sort of
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the entertainment industry sectors joining this kind of platform. I think speaking of that
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on competition, this is another project that is doing just that, where they're
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kind of competing two projects against one to kind of get to the point of
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a date. I want to play a clip for you to show you.
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Take a look. We're back with Love on Leverage Challengers Edition. Basically one
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star, We'll go on two dates simultaneously using our Versus token. We'll launch
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a token for each date. Does the two compete for approval? Here's the
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catch. Effectively, you'll be able to control the mute button by pumping or
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dumping each date's token. At the end, the star will pick her winner,
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and all losing cocing liquidity gets pumped into the winning token. Weekly episodes
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happening all summer. The audience is on fire because we are talking about the
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dating landscape. If there's a stupid dating story out there, I absolutely have
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it. I've been swindled, I have had like a twenty four hour relationship
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all of the things, so that actually, yeah, that's actually the girl
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that's going to be doing the dating. So now you've got tokens Web three
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tied into communities now starting to kind of create this. I don't know,
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does this go the way of, you know, Bravo's Worst show or does
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this actually do something with this versus concept sadly probably think I think there is
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break the math market appeal. I look, there was something built we were
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talking about flow earlier. There was a really cool art platform built a couple
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of years ago. Now I don't think it's the only one. It's called
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Versus, and it was brilliant because it was the and it was the comparison.
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You could it was the whale versus the masses, so the whale would
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bed on a piece of bar that the masses could have a like, you
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know, be a thousand or something. And that did really well because of
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exactly that. The gamification being able to see if you can beat somebody else.
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And I think there is a I'm not I'm really not sure where this
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one is going to go. I mean, yeah, yeah, Sarah,
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it's always fun breaking this stuff down. Thanks for being good sport on this,
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because it's you know, when we're looking at, you know, the
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evolution of Web three, you have to go into all of the places of
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where Web three is going, whether it's gaming culture, which I think is
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the biggest that is going to affect Web three, most likely it's going to
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move it. I mean, you know from your days, you know,
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working obviously at Gala and seeing all of what music was doing and really where
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the future of that is going to be going, I think is huge for
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all of this. Anyway, we're definitely going to have you back on the
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show, get you back in to do some more stuff. I think it'll
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be fun. So we'll have you back to then. Can I ask you
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if I come back, I feel like I've been here long enough now that
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I should flip some stuff back to you. I think that could be fun.
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Sure, what you got? What do you got there? Anyway,
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we're going to get you back on definitely we'll break down more Web three topics.
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Thanks for coming in today. We appreciate it. Thanks for having me
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