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When Your Body Keeps the Score: A Trafficking Survivor Speaks Out | Episode 222 · Voices for Voices®

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Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome to this episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
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Justin Alan Hayes: I am your host, Founder and Executive Director of Voices for Justin Alan Hayes.
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Justin Alan Hayes: We really appreciate that.
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Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, we're going to pick up this episode, which is a follow-through, part two of an episode where we spoke to David Solomon about mental health trauma, how he is having physical symptoms of stress and anxiety and that those are real things that can happen, that stress can really manifest itself in a lot of different ways, which even boggles my mind.
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Justin Alan Hayes: I've had plenty over the years.
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Justin Alan Hayes: So David's going to pick up our conversation where he left off on the first part to really close up where he's at today.
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Justin Alan Hayes: Again, events that happened years ago can get brought up in an instant, whether somebody knows it or not.
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Justin Alan Hayes: In fact, in this case, if somebody brought up the same thing, a name case that somebody brought up the same thing, a name didn't know that and didn't know that, it was a very, very, very, very pain point for him and that's just really unacceptable.
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Justin Alan Hayes: But we'll let David pick it up from here.
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Justin Alan Hayes: You got it, David.
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David Solomon: Thank you.
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David Solomon: Yeah, so, like I was saying, you know, I forgave my trafficker when I was facing that prison sentence and I was just dying physically I couldn't keep food down.
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David Solomon: He accompanied me to Mr.
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David Solomon: Davis's event with the police, which we have shared, actually the police report number.
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David Solomon: I forgave him and I moved on, but the harassment did not end.
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David Solomon: Bryan did not move on and that was a problem.
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David Solomon: So it was very traumatic.
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David Solomon: Shaking his hand.
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David Solomon: Every time I hear his voice, I just Freeze, freeze.
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David Solomon: I think one thing that's been really confusing not a lot of people want to address.
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David Solomon: People want to address.
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David Solomon: It's called Stockholm Syndrome in my doctor's words.
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David Solomon: And and Brian manipulated me for so long and there are times, even now, where I will question if he's truly a bad guy, because I feel like I'm a no one.
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David Solomon: Part of that is I'm stepping on me as a person for bullying, making you feel small, enslaving you to write books.
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David Solomon: This goes on.
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David Solomon: It's really hard to handle that.
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David Solomon: So today, as I talk to you, I hold my jaw on one side.
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David Solomon: My jaw is paralyzed on my right side.
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David Solomon: My entire face is red on my right side because I chose to bury those emotions and that was wrong, but I wanted to do it my way and not God's way.
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David Solomon: You know, when Bryan Davis did a video on me, you know when I, when Bryan Davis did a video on me for the whole world to see, I got a phone call that said go take your life.
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David Solomon: And there was a moment where I almost did Because he mocked my mom, he mocked me.
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David Solomon: He mocked me as a survivor, as a person knowing all the trauma I had faced, knowing all the trauma I had faced.
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David Solomon: There was a man that I looked up to, admired, and I had no dad and so dad and so it wasn't my mom's fault, but you know, he would be that father figure.
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David Solomon: I think my mom blamed herself for that because she trusted him.
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David Solomon: So, so my mom carried that to her grave and and and I blamed her for a time after I was trafficked Because I was mocked.
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David Solomon: It was brutal.
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David Solomon: There was a private message, Bryan, of 2019.
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David Solomon: Because of all the harassment that he had done, I decided to respond.
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David Solomon: All I said was I heard your wife was getting worse and I'm praying for her.
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David Solomon: Bye, Susie Davis never did me wrong.
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David Solomon: In fact, I owe her a debt because if it wasn't for one of her words in person.
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David Solomon: When I met her, had the honor and privilege, I probably would have taken my life that day and Bryan can take credit for that moment, but he wasn't there.
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David Solomon: Probably would have taken my life that day and Bryan can take credit for that moment, but he wasn't there, he was somewhere else.
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David Solomon: She really was a good person Still is, I hope.
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David Solomon: I remember our conversation like it was yesterday.
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David Solomon: I remember Mr.
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David Solomon: Davis talking to us kids and asking ideas and wanting us kids to write his books.
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David Solomon: We were just those spank girls that were thrilled that a famous author was taking our ideas.
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David Solomon: How did we know that's labor trafficking folks?
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David Solomon: But hey, we were stupid, weren't we?
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David Solomon: We were pathetic in people's eyes.
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David Solomon: They called me that yesterday.
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David Solomon: We were pathetic, that is the word that was used.
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David Solomon: We were minors, you know, homeschooled or not, that were in rural areas.
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David Solomon: I mean, there's a girl I know who lives next to a barn on a farm and she wrote for him and you know like she was thrilled.
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David Solomon: I was thrilled, you know.
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David Solomon: We still talk to each other.
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David Solomon: It's amazing.
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David Solomon: People like on RealmMaker say, oh, David Solomon never was here.
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David Solomon: I don't know David Solomon.
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David Solomon: Yes, you do.
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David Solomon: I have messages from you, you just don't want to remember, you want to forget.
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David Solomon: People joke around like the trauma I've endured is nothing.
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David Solomon: It is around like the trauma I've endured is nothing, and it is it is.
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David Solomon: Oh, if only you knew.
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David Solomon: I've sat down to write.
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David Solomon: I felt guilty.
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David Solomon: That's the real reason.
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David Solomon: I reached out to Scott Minor and I know, scott, you're going to be listening to this.
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David Solomon: I don't care, I respect that you're listening to this.
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David Solomon: Maybe you'll learn one thing about me, because I know everything about you.
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David Solomon: You know I never meant to do you wrong.
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David Solomon: I came to you as an honest person because harassment had gotten to a dangerous point with Bryan Davis, and that is the truth.
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David Solomon: Bryan had reached out To my wife's parents.
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David Solomon: Brian had reached out To other people I know On my side, my stepfather Bryan had reached out to everybody Trying to find out where we were.
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David Solomon: And all I said to you Was I'm concerned Because not only is me as a victim of this man, but there are other kids that are getting messaged by this man on your platform who are minors.
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David Solomon: And if he is messaging them and he is saying that he did it about porn and cutting 15 years ago and he talked to me about masturbation and private messages.
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David Solomon: And I was 13 years old at the time when I learned what that word meant, not because my mom taught me, but because Bryan Davis private messaged me and my best friend and taught us what that word meant met and that is why I messaged Scott and said I prayed about this.
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David Solomon: There is an evil on Realm and there are good people.
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David Solomon: And I did tell parents Scott, but it's twisted.
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David Solomon: The parents from Realm came to me because they knew me from Holy Worlds and they knew that I was there to do business.
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David Solomon: They knew that I was there to clean house.
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David Solomon: Because the reason I joined Realm I didn't want to join Realm.
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David Solomon: God told me to join Realm.
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David Solomon: I didn't want to join Realm.
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David Solomon: God told me to join Realm and he said that there was going to be a division and you would have to find the evil in that division and unite his people.
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David Solomon: I didn't want to do it.
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David Solomon: I ran from it.
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David Solomon: The more I ran, the more God kept putting Realm and realm and realm and realm and realm in my face.
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David Solomon: Suddenly there was a writer that I had not contacted since being trafficked, that told me about realm and said look, I don't want to be a part of the drama.
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David Solomon: I know what happened to you.
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David Solomon: I'm going to stay out of it.
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David Solomon: I'm not going to put my name out there.
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David Solomon: They know who I am.
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David Solomon: But you know what you deserve to know answers.
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David Solomon: And God has told me that you need to join and it's not going to end well for you at Realm.
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David Solomon: But God is going to bring a journey for you and you are going to learn and this is God's will.
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David Solomon: So there's a pastor that said that, who is on Realm, by the way, but chose not to be at Realm, which means he attends conferences, he's a guest, he's a great person.
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David Solomon: So I joined.
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David Solomon: So I joined.
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David Solomon: The more I learned about the corruption, the more I partnered with law enforcement to go undercover.
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David Solomon: I had messaged, you know, a thousand people on Realm because I'm doing a project that Scott knows about.
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David Solomon: I wasn't telling people about Brian.
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David Solomon: I shut my mouth.
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David Solomon: I told a few people that I trusted because it was eating me alive, health-wise, because I messaged them every day and they became family.
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David Solomon: It is true that I told Sophia Hansen, who's a famous author, and the reason is she touched my heart with her story because that is about human trafficking, and it touched me and it gave me strength and it gave me hope in a dark place and she sent stickers to my son and that made him smile.
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David Solomon: So if I told the only person who was Christian about my hurting and to pray for me, I'm not going to apologize.
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David Solomon: I'm only sorry that Sophia joined your hate group and bullied me.
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David Solomon: I wish no harm on Scott Minor, but I did call his phone.
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David Solomon: But I did call his phone when I got a phone call that I made drop, that said that he was going to take my son and that he traffics children.
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David Solomon: That is the moment when I called Scott Minor and threatened him that if he harmed a hair on my son, then God have mercy on him.
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David Solomon: He will be a dead man and maybe not in those kind words.
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David Solomon: I know he made a police report on that and I'm fine with it.
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David Solomon: Bring it to court.
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David Solomon: Let's go to court right now.
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David Solomon: I'm not afraid anymore.
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David Solomon: I was yesterday.
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David Solomon: I was terrified yesterday to have this conversation on here, but I can't now I can't.
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David Solomon: It's eating my health alive and it's not worth it.
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David Solomon: As I talk to you, the paralyzation gets worse right here on my face.
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David Solomon: The paralysis Because I'm facing this and my body is shaking and trembling and I feel the fever and that, unfortunately, is a part of healing.
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David Solomon: You know, I want to pause for a minute.
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David Solomon: Justin Bieber was trafficked by P.
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David Solomon: Diddy.
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David Solomon: I want you guys to pause this type in Justin Bieber downfall on Google News and watch the video that he just uploaded today.
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David Solomon: And then you tell me that him and I are not in the same predicament.
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David Solomon: It's funny.
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David Solomon: He had face paralysis, isn't that funny?
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David Solomon: Everybody that knows Justin Bieber knows that he suffered a face paralysis incident, paralysis incident, and now he's on the downfall.
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David Solomon: He's ready to go down to drugs, he doesn't care about life and who can blame him?
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David Solomon: So so it's not my place, but I got the honor of meeting Justin in Medford, oregon and we do maintain a relationship, a friendship, as a survivor, and that is a very real thing.
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David Solomon: And that isn't me saying I know Justin Bieber and I'm going to flaunt it.
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David Solomon: That is me saying to you guys he ain't the only one I know, that is a millionaire, that is a survivor.
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David Solomon: There's a reason why people reached out to me or my mom, don't know what that reason is Amen.
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David Solomon: But I look at people that are being named right now, that are survivors.
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David Solomon: Lindsay Lohan is another one, Miley Cyrus.
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David Solomon: There are people that I've had the honor to meet.
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David Solomon: I want to give a shout out to my friend, Tobey Maguire, who played Spider-Man.
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David Solomon: He went to my church.
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David Solomon: He never got caught in this.
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David Solomon: There's a reason he left Hollywood.
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David Solomon: Do your homework, Scott.
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David Solomon: I don't apologize for the chaos I've caused exposing Realm Makers, because that's what my mom would do if she were here, because she saw her son suffer, and boy did I, boy did I suffer.
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David Solomon: There's another member on Realm Makers who is a famous author.
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David Solomon: When I was in the hospital on my birthday, I had just woken up from the coma and she had surprised me with the author she was going to video chat me.
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David Solomon: I had no friends.
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David Solomon: This was right after the trafficking six months after anyway, he never did so.
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David Solomon: I never had anyone visit me when I had to learn how to walk again and read again and write again, which was a process of rehab Other than a nurse or doctor there, there was no one that was.
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David Solomon: That was really hard.
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David Solomon: Every time I hear the word organ now, just like right now, my face lights up red Because it goes back to those horrible memories.
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David Solomon: I don't ever want to go back there.
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David Solomon: That's where my head goes, but that's not where my heart is, because the Christian part of me, for some stupid reason, still thinks that I can reach the bad people in Oregon.
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David Solomon: My mom, if she were here, would say to Scott Minor.
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David Solomon: Would say to Scott Minor you owe my son an apology, not for the threat, no, not for that, not for kicking me off.
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David Solomon: No, for how you treated a survivor who came forward with the most traumatic experience of his life and you'd owe his wife and his son and Scott in his defense, which he has not, has not even reached out.
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David Solomon: He's kept in the dark.
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David Solomon: He's done things in the shadows.
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David Solomon: He wouldn't have a one on one interview if I asked him.
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David Solomon: He wouldn't talk, Because that's how the dark works.
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David Solomon: They do things in the shadows.
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David Solomon: Scott claimed and mocked that you have to dig deep until you can't dig no more.
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David Solomon: Well, I've done that.
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David Solomon: I went undercover on your app and I dug.
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David Solomon: It's funny, I wasn't undercover at first.
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David Solomon: That was only after I talked to you the first time about the harassment, I was approached by Ellie and they gave me clearance to tear apart your app and find out who was a trafficker because of how you responded.
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David Solomon: So you weren't the only one running an investigation.
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David Solomon: You ran one on me, I ran one on you back it's still going, by the way.
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David Solomon: So he talked to another writer of mine that day too, and kicked them off as well, which was so stupid because they weren't even connected.
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David Solomon: It was just the fact that they were working with me and he just kicked them off.
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David Solomon: That was his worst mistake, Because they do have power to do something.
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David Solomon: They need to kick somebody off.
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David Solomon: So, yeah, there was a heck of a lot of people that left Realm once they learned that I was kicked off.
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David Solomon: I don't want a problem with Realm.
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David Solomon: If I ever was offered the right to join Realm again, I would, but under one circumstance.
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David Solomon: I'm not mocked, my family's not mocked.
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David Solomon: Things are cleaned up and we accept responsibility for our mistakes.
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David Solomon: And until that day comes, scott Minor, I will bring you down, I will bring the house down on you, but I will not destroy realm.
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David Solomon: I will make sure that you are removed from its leadership Because you have not shown leadership.
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David Solomon: You've shown stupidity, manipulation and you want to talk about credibility.
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David Solomon: I've held back on this way too long.
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David Solomon: I have realmies that I talk to every day and they know what happened.
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David Solomon: They're still on realm, but they know what happened.
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David Solomon: They are great friends of mine.
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David Solomon: I love them dearly.
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David Solomon: Some I call family.
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David Solomon: You take advantage of people like that and they don't know what to do.
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David Solomon: They're on Realm because of their careers.
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David Solomon: They don't respect you.
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David Solomon: You are not respected anymore and if you are, people don't know the truth of what you've done.
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David Solomon: That's the problem.
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David Solomon: We have to heal realm, no matter what that takes.
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David Solomon: I don't know what that will take.
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David Solomon: I'm in the process of doing that, finishing that journey that God put me on, like it or not.
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David Solomon: Trauma Trauma Doesn't just come overnight, and goodness knows I've had too much.
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David Solomon: Just look at what's happening to me now.
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David Solomon: So so being called Cody is hard, because every time you hear that, you see yourself in a cage and you're traumatized all over again.
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David Solomon: A lesson I'm learning the hard way, as you can tell.
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David Solomon: These are things I never wanted to talk about, but here we are.
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David Solomon: If I didn't talk about him to the public, this might kill me, because holding it in, burying it, that's what's killing Justin Bieber right now, because he can't talk.
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David Solomon: If he shows vulnerability the way I have, he'll be mocked.
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David Solomon: He'll be mocked, he won't be looked at the same and people will just want him dead.
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David Solomon: People have tried for me, so I'm not here to attack even my trafficker, Bryan Allen Davis, who I am not afraid to say his name anymore.
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David Solomon: The past is the past and I want to move forward.
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David Solomon: This is a part of that lies.
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David Solomon: Have a way of catching up to you and Bryan, if you're listening to this, and I'm sure you will where were you on January 12, 2012 at 3.30 pm Because you have mocked 2012,.
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David Solomon: 2012 at 3.30 pm, because you have mocked me?
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David Solomon: When you say, well, give me a date, give me a time, where were you on January 12, 2012, 3.30 pm?
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David Solomon: And then where were you from there till January the 28th at midnight?
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David Solomon: I'm just curious what your answer would be.
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David Solomon: It's sad that someone like you, who claims to be a voice for survivors because of your writing, I guess, mocks one like me, mocks one like me.
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David Solomon: For my own health, I'm ready to have this out.
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David Solomon: If Bryan wants to have a one-on-one for the world to hear, I'm ready to have this out Because my health cannot take this anymore.
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David Solomon: I buried it, my mom buried it, and look at what that got her.
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Justin Alan Hayes: I can't let my sin go through the same hate.
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Justin Alan Hayes: We're gonna have to, unfortunately, leave it there.
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Justin Alan Hayes: We're up against the time the clock.
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Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, yeah, thanks for joining us.
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Justin Alan Hayes: No, it's not easy and appreciate, you know, selecting us.
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Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, thanks for joining us.
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Justin Alan Hayes: No, it's not easy and appreciate selecting us to be able to just be a small part in your journey on the way back.
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Justin Alan Hayes: So thank you for taking two episodes to share this.
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David Solomon: We really appreciate it Absolutely.
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David Solomon: I'll always try.