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Selects: Birthmarks: Probably Not the Mark of the Devil · Stuff You Should Know

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  Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Chuck here, we're moving forward in time in
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty for this select the year of COVID with
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  Speaker 1: our February twentieth episode birth Marks Colin probably not the Mark.
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  Speaker 2: Of the Devil.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, don't remember much about this one, but when I
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  Speaker 1: was looking through our twenty twenty list it maybe I
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  Speaker 1: want to go listen to it. And so that's what
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to do, and I think you should too.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff you should know a production of iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and
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  Speaker 2: there's Charles w Chuck, Brian over there, and there's Jerry.
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  Speaker 2: Jerry's back. Everybody that's right. And all the listeners said,
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  Speaker 2: what happened to Josh TV? What are we doing? Did
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  Speaker 2: we decide? Yeah, we're going to do birth one? Okay? Great?
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  Speaker 2: Check the title?
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  Speaker 1: Chuck, Oh may I have two things in front of me.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: I'm great?
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  Speaker 2: How are you? I'm good? You got any birthmarks? I
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  Speaker 2: do what you got? I've got something under my right armpit.
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  Speaker 2: You're like, it looks like Richard Nixon. Close, it looks
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  Speaker 2: like Spiro Agnes. Do you remember when Mad Magazine used
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  Speaker 2: to make fun of Spiau Agnew and you're like, I
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  Speaker 2: have no idea who that.
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  Speaker 1: Was the name.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe no, it's because like they hated his politics. Yeah. Well,
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  Speaker 2: but then there was a Simpsons where Millhouse is like,
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  Speaker 2: they're making fun of Spiro Agnew again. He must work
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  Speaker 2: there or something, and I remember specifically thinking that he
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  Speaker 2: referenced Mad magazine. Oh that's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you've got a under your armpit birthmark?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, how about you.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I do. Actually, what I have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of now because I'm an old man speeding toward
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  Speaker 1: death are skin tags. Oh yeah, like those they're not
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  Speaker 1: around the neck and armpit. That's where they like tend
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  Speaker 1: to gather.
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  Speaker 2: That's just your skin, you know, really going at it.
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  Speaker 1: I used to have them clipped, and I did. I
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  Speaker 1: did that for a while, but it's been a while,
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  Speaker 1: but now I went in recently. It was so annoying.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of these our medical system is just broken.
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  Speaker 1: It was one of those reminders because I went in
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  Speaker 1: to get it taken care of like I usually do.
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  Speaker 1: When I got in there and the guy was like, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: we don't do this now unless you make another kind
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  Speaker 1: of appointment. I was like, well, can I just make
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  Speaker 1: this that since I'm here sitting in your office, right,
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  Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, no, those take much longer. These
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  Speaker 1: are just ten minute appointments and that'll take like an hour.
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  Speaker 1: And some of them have their own vascular systems so
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  Speaker 1: they need to be cauterized. And I was like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm just leaving and he was like yes, He's like,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to make that other appointment. And then
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  Speaker 1: they refunded the money for that appointment, which, yeah, that
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  Speaker 1: was nice a cope, but then he said, make the
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  Speaker 1: longer appointment if you want to come back.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 1: So which are yeah, you know, I mean they're not
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  Speaker 1: like medically danger or anything, but their brother unsightly. It's
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  Speaker 1: fine when they get long and big.
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  Speaker 2: Well long, sure, I mean how long are we talking like?
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  Speaker 1: I mean some of the ones are like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: quarter inch.
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  Speaker 2: So okay, I was just about to say how big
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  Speaker 2: that one? Let me see if we can figure it
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  Speaker 2: out in the metric. It's a few centimeters, I think,
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  Speaker 2: is what you just.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get them clipped again. So you're
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  Speaker 1: going to make that longer appointment, right, I think it
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  Speaker 1: will be painful.
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  Speaker 2: Is it painful? I've never had one clipped.
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  Speaker 1: The regular clipping. The small ones aren't a big deal
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  Speaker 1: because they just hit it with a little quick shot
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  Speaker 1: and then clip it and this no big deal.
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  Speaker 2: But what kind of a shot like.
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  Speaker 1: A you know, needle, like a little numbing numbing thing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I got youa like with a needle, like light, a
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  Speaker 1: cane whatever, I don't know. They don't spray it with
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  Speaker 1: the freezy stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No, you're thinking of this stuff for athlete's foot. This
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  Speaker 2: is like a shot light a cane.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, the ones that are big that require cauterizing,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that doesn't feel great, even if they've numbed
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  Speaker 1: it up.
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  Speaker 2: You just get the acetylene torch out.
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  Speaker 1: And imagine, don't have to shave my armpits because if
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  Speaker 1: you're torching something near armpit.
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  Speaker 2: Hair, plus you just want to look good. Maybe I've
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  Speaker 2: never shaved my pits. Might start that I used to
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  Speaker 2: Why not? I'll bet that's itchy though. Yeah maybe anytime
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  Speaker 2: you shaved something it starts to grow out. It's itchy,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So I used to get
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  Speaker 2: warts actually when I was a kid. Oh yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: I remember going into the dermatologists and they go into
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  Speaker 2: the freezer, put on these huge rubber gloves and pull
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  Speaker 2: out like this thermos of I want to say, nitro glysterm.
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  Speaker 2: That's not it. No, you know what I'm talking about. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: the cold stuff. Yeah, and it would freeze, Yeah, my
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  Speaker 2: wart basically right off right there. Yeah, you just kind
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  Speaker 2: of sting for a second. And that was it.
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  Speaker 1: I never really had warts.
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  Speaker 2: Believe me, buddy, you lucked out because if you're a
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  Speaker 2: little kid in sure grade school and you have like
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't like I wasn't coated with them, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: i'd get one like here between my forefinger and my thumb,
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  Speaker 2: or I had one on my elbow or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Zero in on that. Yeah, and you're you're the little
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  Speaker 2: weird kid who is already the fat kid now with
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  Speaker 2: warts new and improved.
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  Speaker 1: I had freckles a lot more than I do now,
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  Speaker 1: because freckles tend to fade as you get older, and
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  Speaker 1: freckles are I guess the kind of well, they're not
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  Speaker 1: a kind of birthmark because you're not born with freckles,
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  Speaker 1: but I did look into it. Freckles are just an
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  Speaker 1: abundance of melanin, like collected together.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's basically what a mole is, which is a
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  Speaker 2: type of birthmark if you're born with it.
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 2: So I love freckles, though, are super cute. Freckles are great.
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  Speaker 2: Moles are great. Birth Marks, especially interesting ones are great.
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  Speaker 1: Warts are great. That's why the term warts and all
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  Speaker 1: came about it. That's how you should love. It's true,
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  Speaker 1: Chuck Man, quit making fun of people. Kids.
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. So mean, birthmarks have been around
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  Speaker 2: since the dawn of humanity, I'm guessing, and people have
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  Speaker 2: probably been ostracized because their birthmarks since the dawn of humanity.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, for a very long time people were
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  Speaker 2: ostracized for their birthmarks because of some really stupid ideas,
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  Speaker 2: like that it meant you were a witch, right, or
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  Speaker 2: it meant you were touched by Satan, all sorts of
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  Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then over time it got a
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  Speaker 2: little more innocuous. But even still today there are parts
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  Speaker 2: of the world where you can find people who are
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  Speaker 2: ostracized because they're birth marks. And then even in the
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  Speaker 2: developed world, the Western world, which is rational and based
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  Speaker 2: more on science, you can still find yourself, you know,
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  Speaker 2: at the receiving end of being ostracized. Maybe not because
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  Speaker 2: you're a witch, but just because you have a birth
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  Speaker 2: marker you look different. And so I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: Parents react to it if their baby has like a
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  Speaker 1: strawberry mark on their head, yes like that, seeing them
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  Speaker 1: feel the need to say like, oh, you know this
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  Speaker 1: is you know, will go away or something like that.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading this birthmark support group from Great Britain
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  Speaker 2: and they were saying this One mom had cards printed
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  Speaker 2: up explaining what her child's birthmark was because sometimes she
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  Speaker 2: just couldn't. She just didn't have it together enough to
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  Speaker 2: have a conversation with a stranger who'd walked up and
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  Speaker 2: been like, what's up with your kid's face? And rather
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  Speaker 2: than belt them, she would just give them a card
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  Speaker 2: and then just probably go home and weep or something
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  Speaker 2: like that, knowing not for herself but the life that
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  Speaker 2: her kid was gonna have to face, not because her
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  Speaker 2: kid has a birthmark, but because the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: world are schmucks. Yes, that's the that's the long and
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  Speaker 2: short of it. That's right, all right, children. I bet
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  Speaker 2: I managed to find a soapbox even in the Birthmarks episode.
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  Speaker 1: I bet a kid probably a collection of kids could
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  Speaker 1: still make you cry. If they started on, I'd.
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  Speaker 2: Just start kicking, throw at elbows. I just hold my
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  Speaker 2: arms out and start twirling around really fast, and whatever
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  Speaker 2: got hit got hit.
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  Speaker 1: People would be like, is Josh fighting a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: children and be like, yeah, they made fun of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'd be like, I shoved one in a grosser
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  Speaker 2: restore ones.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I'll never forget that, lady.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk birthmarks, Chuck. It turns out there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot to know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're usually not a big deal. They aren't painful,
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  Speaker 1: they're usually harmless. A lot of times that go away.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to detail the ones that do and that
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  Speaker 1: don't go away, and the ones that are of more concern.
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  Speaker 1: But generally speaking, science doesn't really know why they come
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  Speaker 1: about to begin with, but they are something that doctors
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  Speaker 1: will sometimes want to keep an eye on. And that's
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  Speaker 1: the intro.
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  Speaker 2: That's Intro number seven.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a couple of big categories, vascular and pigmented,
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  Speaker 1: and let's talk about some of these. Vascular are usually
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  Speaker 1: reddish because they have to do with blood vessels.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think reddish is a very common When you
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  Speaker 2: think birth marks, you think reddish typically I think brownish.
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  Speaker 2: Apparently they can come in a whole rainbow of colors blue, brown, black, pink, white,
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  Speaker 2: although I take issue with that purplish or tan, and
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  Speaker 2: I take issue with white because I think white is
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  Speaker 2: like a reverse birthmark, although technically it would still count
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  Speaker 2: as a birthmark.
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  Speaker 1: So the whole rest of your body is a birthmark,
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  Speaker 1: and that right, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. Birthmarks tend to be an aggregation of either
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  Speaker 2: pigment or blood, as we'll see, and white is like
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  Speaker 2: an area where pigment is absent, So I guess it
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  Speaker 2: still counts as a birthmark, but it's not really a birthmark.
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  Speaker 2: If you go into a dermatologist's office, they'll be like,
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  Speaker 2: he got this all wrong.
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  Speaker 1: And like we said, the skin tags and freckles and
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  Speaker 1: things like that, they come later in life, although freckles
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  Speaker 1: can start out very early. But it's still not a
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  Speaker 1: birth mark because you're not born with that mark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and even as we'll see, some types of moles
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  Speaker 2: don't technically qualify as birthmarks, even though they typically fall
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  Speaker 2: under the banner of birth marks. You have to be
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  Speaker 2: born with something for it to count as a birthmark,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. So that's not even fully true. As we'll see,
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  Speaker 2: this is just full of lies. Everybody who studies birth
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  Speaker 2: marks needs to get their stuff together.
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  Speaker 1: So the macular they're called flat sometimes macular stains.
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  Speaker 2: And we're in the vascular category right.
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  Speaker 1: This is the non pigmented. These are usually caused by
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  Speaker 1: blood and large blood vessels. These have some cute names
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  Speaker 1: that go along with them. The angel kisses great. I
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  Speaker 1: think some of these can be because of where they're found,
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  Speaker 1: although I've heard people cross referencing, like I think an
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  Speaker 1: angel kiss is usually on the forehead, oh really, but
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  Speaker 1: not always. A stork bite is usually on the back
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  Speaker 1: of the neck.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: But I've also when you google stork bite there are
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  Speaker 1: some like right on the tip of the nose, and
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  Speaker 1: people call them that.
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  Speaker 2: I took it to me more like that those those
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  Speaker 2: names were derived from the age that they're like kids
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  Speaker 2: who are born with this and then it tends to
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  Speaker 2: go away at an early age. That's what it's associated with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like the stork brings the baby, and the angels, well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody angels love babies. What about the salmon patch, I
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  Speaker 2: don't understand it at all.
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  Speaker 1: They are usually above the neck, they usually or a
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  Speaker 1: lot of times they'll disappear and fade away by the
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  Speaker 1: time they're two three years old, but not always sometimes
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  Speaker 1: the last.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but for the most part, if you have a
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  Speaker 2: macular flat vascular birthmark on your kid, they're probably going
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  Speaker 2: to outgrow. It is just really no other way to
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  Speaker 2: But they outgrow that birthmark eventually, that's right. Most often,
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  Speaker 2: port wine stains are a whole different ballgame. Yes, they
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  Speaker 2: look like kind of what they sound like. They're usually
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  Speaker 2: kind of a purplish red where it looks like, well
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  Speaker 2: port or wine has been spilled.
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  Speaker 1: I would know nothing about what a wine's looks like.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, right, because you never ever spill all your wine.
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  Speaker 2: It all makes it into your mouth. That's right. I've
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  Speaker 2: seen it, so port Weinstein. I say that it's like
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  Speaker 2: a whole different kettle of fish. It's in the same
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  Speaker 2: category as macular because they're vascular. It's like an aggregation
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  Speaker 2: of overdeveloped blood vessels kind of close to the skin.
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  Speaker 2: But they seem to come from like a whole different place.
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  Speaker 2: There's a whole different reason. And in fact we should
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  Speaker 2: say this, chuck, because this is really important. If you
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  Speaker 2: go up to a dermatologist or anybody who would know
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  Speaker 2: what they're talking about. And you say, hey, where did
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  Speaker 2: birth marks come from? What causes birth marks? They would say,
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  Speaker 2: we actually don't know. The closest that they've come is
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  Speaker 2: with port winstains. From what I can tell, they figured
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  Speaker 2: out that there's a gene where this molecular switch that's
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  Speaker 2: supposed to go on and off is locked in the
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  Speaker 2: on position. That they think that this is what causes
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  Speaker 2: port wine stains. And the reason that they found it
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  Speaker 2: is because about six percent of kids who are born
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  Speaker 2: with the port wine stain birthmark develops something called sturge
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  Speaker 2: Weber syndrome, which is a neurological condition. Oh interesting, and
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  Speaker 2: it's if you have a port wine stain birth mark.
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  Speaker 2: It does not mean you have sturge Weber, but if
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  Speaker 2: you have sturge Weber, you have a port wine birthmark. Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Six percent of port wine birthmarks cases have sturge Weber.
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  Speaker 2: It's actually a symptom.
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  Speaker 1: But one hundred percent of people with that condition have
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  Speaker 1: right the port wind stain.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so in investigating the syndrome and the link
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  Speaker 2: between it and the port wine stain birthmark, they found
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  Speaker 2: this gene that they think is the culprit.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, they never go away. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: times they'll get darker as you become older. And these
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  Speaker 1: are not a big deal health wise either, unless it's
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  Speaker 1: something near your eyes that can affect your vision, and
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  Speaker 1: then they might want to take.
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  Speaker 2: A look at it. I also saw that in some
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  Speaker 2: cases they can start to get lumpy and actually become
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  Speaker 2: disfiguring as you age two. I did see those, and
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  Speaker 2: they can also just once they lump, they can scar too,
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of people seek treatment for port Weinstein
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  Speaker 2: birth marks. As we'll see.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, strawberry marks is what I referenced at the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: You might see these on little bebies. They are hamanngiomas.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeahah, and these most of the times I saw even
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  Speaker 1: less than thirty percent. But it says your thirty percent
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  Speaker 1: are visible at birth most of the times though, they'll
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  Speaker 1: develop between four and six weeks, and I think by
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  Speaker 1: the time you hit six months, if you're going to
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  Speaker 1: have one, it will be visible by that point. You
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  Speaker 1: won't develop one of these at like the one year mark.
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  Speaker 2: No, but again there's that one. There's the loophole where
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  Speaker 2: it's like you it still counts as a birthmark, even
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  Speaker 2: though you weren't technically born with it. Me up the wall, right,
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  Speaker 2: And these are a little more reddish, and you've probably
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  Speaker 2: seen these, like I said, on babies before, because they're
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're pretty common. They will they have they're
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  Speaker 2: raised off the skin. That's kind of one of the
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  Speaker 2: differentiators is they're not flat. Right, So like hamagiom Homagie,
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  Speaker 2: I've said it like five times in my head, Hamagioma's
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  Speaker 2: fifty times probably yes, and I can't say it out loud.
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  Speaker 2: Hamagioma's macular import wine scenes. Like we said, these are
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  Speaker 2: all over developed blood vessels, clusters of blood vessels. They're
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  Speaker 2: from blood vessels, which is like sixth time we said that,
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  Speaker 2: Which is why they have that that reddish pigment is
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  Speaker 2: because the blood is close enough to the skin and
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  Speaker 2: it's clustered together. It's kind of almost pooled right there, right,
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  Speaker 2: that's right. But it's not like a bruise or anything
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  Speaker 2: like that. It's the blood hasn't escaped the vessel. There's
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  Speaker 2: just a lot of vessels or big vessels all clumped
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  Speaker 2: in together near the skin. What's interesting about Himagioma's I
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  Speaker 2: did it chuck Hmagioma's nice work. Thanks hemangiomas oh Man,
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  Speaker 2: did I miss it twice? I think there's an inn
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  Speaker 2: in there that is being forgotten. What's interesting about what
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  Speaker 2: you just mentioned is that in some cases they can
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  Speaker 2: extend down into the body, and the further they extend down,
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  Speaker 2: they won't be reddish, they'll be bluish.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they can even be on the organs. It's
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  Speaker 1: pretty rare, but it happens.
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  Speaker 2: It is, and they can be threatening on the organs.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want to have a cluster of blood vessels
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  Speaker 2: on your organs. But back to the blue part. So
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  Speaker 2: the reason that they look blue is because, as everybody knows,
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  Speaker 2: blood on its way back to the lungs to be
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  Speaker 2: oxygenated is blue. That's right, that's not true. I'm sorry
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: to set you up like that. I thought it was true.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Up, that's are not. And as soon as you get
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: cut and it hits that sweet sweet oxygen, right, that
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: just transforms into red. That's what you thought, right, Not
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: what I thought as an adult, but that's what I
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: thought as a small child.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought until this morning. No, come on,
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: you knew that.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: No? Really? Yes, you thought blood was blue?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, I thought deoxygenated blood was blue. Wow. Well okay,
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: well do you understand why it appears blue?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean no, but I just knew that that
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: was like a playground falsehood.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Well, I was too busy thinking about how we're fighting off.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: I was covered with to learn this.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: You're like, I'm going to draw some sweet blue blood
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: out of that jerney, right, So with my fists.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: The reason it's blue is because the deeper it is,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: the less blue light is able to penetrate, so the
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: less that can be absorbed, and so the light that's
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: reflected tends to be blue more than say like red,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: which penetrates deeper and is absorbed.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: That has to do with blue foods too, which is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: a bit for the next episode.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you, just put a pin in that. Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: These strawberry marks though, back to those, they will disappear
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: usually by the time a kid is like into double digits.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: If they're large, sometimes you might see a scar. These
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: are around the head and neck as well, and are
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: most commonly found on Caucasian girls. Right, But they're not.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: They don't have a real impact on development either. But
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: if they are really big and puffy, again, they could
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: around the eyes or ears. They could interfere with hearing,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: envision and stuff like that.
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and if they're on the on your internal organs,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: it's a problem. Yes. Yeah, So I think we should
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: take a break because astoundingly we're twenty minutes in and
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: we have not taken a break. Wow. So we'll be
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: back to birth marks right after this.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, to recap, Remember, vascular blood birth marks are reddish
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: because of blood vessels. Precisely, if anyone misses that question
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: on the quiz tomorrow, your toast is not our fault.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: So the other kind of birth marks are pigmented birth.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Marks, nothing to do with blood vessels.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I don't know. There could be a blood vessel or
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: two involved, but no, not really. No, this is because
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: like freckles, like I was talking about, it is just
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: a collection of melanin that's brought out by sun exposure. Yeah,
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: and you have melanocytes, melanin cells, melatonin cells or melanin
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: one of the two all over your body. It gives
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: you like the color to your skin. Some people have more,
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: some people have less, but everybody has them. But like
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: you were saying, when they kind of congregate together, that's
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: when they form these pigmented spots that we know as birthmarks.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: Right, we are in our house. My daughter's at the
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: age now where she has started to notice skin color.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is something that you know every parent
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: has to deal with at some point. Sure, and that's
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: how it was recommended to us to talk about it
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: with scientifically, being like, hey, everyone's the same, She's got
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: different skin tones because of science. Some people have more
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: melanine than other people.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Is that why you had me over to dinner and
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: started asking me about that? Yeah, you just wound me
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: up and knew it. Go huh, that's right.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: So, but I mean that is tricky stuff for parents
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: because what you're really talking about is the first talks of.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Race, right you know. Yeah, and you just you have
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: to do it in such a way that diffuses it
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: almost towards just like you. No, everyone's the same, right,
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Some people are lighter skinned, some people are darker skinned. Yeah.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Both of her best friends, though, are multiracial, which helps.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm sure because we can say, you know,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: your friend Blank. I'm not going to say names, Jerry Blank.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: She has two friends that are both named Blank.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: We need to say, you know, her skin is a
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: little darker than yours, because you know, when you see
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: her parents and try to explain on that and kids
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: are like, oh okay, yeah, how does this matter? What
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: does this have to do with big bird? Can I
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: please get big bird yellow? That's a great question.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: But these have some cute names too, and they are
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: almost well that's not true. I was going to say
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: they aren't. They're named because of what they look like,
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: but really just the one is.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's really just two types of pigment in birthmarks,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: or broad categories of it.
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, the very Parisian cafe latte cafela, Oh, Cafe.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: La Sorry I misread that.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: It's all right, a latte is different.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: This has nothing to do with vascular aggregations of blood vessels.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: No, And do you get confused on coffee orders or
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: do you know all that stuff?
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty pretty good with it.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know what any of them are, Like any
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: time someone.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It's all just a differing amounts of milk, steamed milk.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but like when I hear like a machiato or
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: an Americano American even know what these things.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Are a shot of espresso or multiple shots of espresso
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: with ultra hot water. Right, that's an Americana.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's what our friend Chad Crowley drinks.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's it's just a really really really hot black coffee.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's all interesting.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Machiato, you got me. I don't know, like cappuccino, there's
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a lot. There's like more foam than milk.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Milk foam, Yeah, yeah, I know those two.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: It's all just milk or foam or coffee. What's a
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: cafe la cafela is simply coffee with milk. That's it, really,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that's what that's literally, what it means in French.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Is that like the what's it called in in Spanish?
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: Cafe conley?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's the same thing.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: Then coffee with milk.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I am a dummy. I haven't been drinking.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not that. It's just it's not that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: As you can see, I'm still drinking my Cafe lat
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: from this morning.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Those are great, aren't they?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: And it's still hot thanks to And I'll go ahead
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and plug it the zoji rushi. And I've plugged this
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: on our page before. Like, if you like your coffee
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: hot all day, get one of these little thermoss. This
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: thing keeps the thing hot for ten hours.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so much.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So I have the same one you mean, has a
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: little pinkuin. It's cute when I pour coffee in. I
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: have to like pour the coffee into a mug to
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: let it cool off, right, to put it in there,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: because you won't be able to drink it. No, like
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: maybe the next day you could. It keeps it that hot,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: for sure.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: We need to get them as a sponsor.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Man. They also make out of this world rice cookers too.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I've got Well, now, I'm not sure if
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: that's the one I have or another one I think Tiger.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Those are the two best ones in my opinion.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'll have to look, But all I
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: know is the one I have is very forgiving. Yeah,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you can be off with your measurements and it still
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: makes perfect rice.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: You can use like buttermilk and somehow it still comes
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: out just cret.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Oh man, buttermilk buttermilk ice.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: That could be all right. Well, here's a little tip
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: for you. You make sushi rice, okay, Usually you just
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: do a one to one rice to water ratio. Yeah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: then go in and just put like half like a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: tea spoon half teaspoon, even depending on how tiny you
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: want to be of rice vinegar.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, well sure, I usually add that after No, No,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: you want to make it together? Yeah, so you want
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: to cook it with it?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Yes? Okay.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I used to make my own sushi rolls, and then
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I just got to the point where I was like,
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: it's not worth it. It's just a lot easier to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: get sushi.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Where did you get your your seafoodashimi? Sorry?
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I would get that at the decab Farmer's market. I
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: would get the tuna there and the crab sticks, which
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that's easy. You can get that at Kroger's and the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: seaweed there. But then there's also a Japanese market by
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: where I would get the eel nice to bake in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the oven. Nice, but that's kind of as you know,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: you could do spicy tuna tuna right, eel and crabstick.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, California Roles, I really want some sushi right now.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I I mean we both eat a lot of sushi. Yeah,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: it's good.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: Okay. So cafe ol a birth marks.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: So that is the cafe ola. They are the color
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: of a cafel a kind of a light brown.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Which means coffee with milk.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yep, there And this is to me was when I
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: think birthmark, I think of these because it's just a
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: little brown spot anywhere on the body.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's I think. One of the things we
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: didn't say is with some of the birthmarks there is
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: kind of specific places that they'll appear, yeah, or they're
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: tied to specific places usually, But with cafeol A birthmarks
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: in particular, they're just they got no rules forehead, butt, cheek, wherever, wherever,
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: and they apparently don't. There's nothing, there's no problem with them.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: But very much like the the port wine staying birthmark,
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the caf Ala spots are tied to a neurological actually
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: a nerve condition where if you have six or more
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of these kinds of cafe Ala birthmarks, especially if they're
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: larger than like a dime in an older kid, you
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: want to go to see a doctor. Yeah, because that
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: could mean that you have something called neurofibromatosis. I said
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: that a million times in my head too. You got
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: to start saying things out loud, also known as NF one. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: it's easier, but n F one is not even necessarily
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: it could it could be asymptomatic. Like if you if
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh my gosh, I've got six or more
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: caf al a birthmarks on me, maybe I have neuro fibromatosis.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: That's It's not like a death sentence or anything like that.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: It's just go see a doctor, right.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: The Mongolian spot us are these look like bruises to me?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: They can if you don't know what you're looking at.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: It can be alarming because you see these pictures of
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: babies that look like they're heavily bruised, kind of at
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: the lower back upper buttocks area. Yeah, but it is
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: not bruising. They're bluish gray though, And like I said,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: usually on the lower back. I think African Americans, African
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Asian and Hispanic kids usually with darker skin have more
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of them, or more commonly have them. And these are
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: the ones that fade out by the time they're like
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know, six or seven.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Usually, Yeah, And they're usually a bluish green because they're
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: clusters of pigment cells together deep under the skin. And
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: so you've got that same thing going on like you
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: have with the hemangiomas. Nice, I got it, you got it.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: There's a good old fashioned mole. This is a pigmented
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: ear mark. Multiple of them are Nevy, Brown, Nevi, and
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: e v I because a nevis is a single mole.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: Are any of these like band names?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but very fortuitous mentioning of that
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: because of listener mail later. It is Latin for spot
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and there are three categoryles. Yes, okay, no, nev I
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: think mole is Latin for spot. Oh is it?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah?
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I was just about to make fun of
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: you too.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I'm glad you have mole sounds real Latin sport boy.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: So there are three categories of moles, congenital, acquired, and atypical.
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: The congenital About one percent of babies are born with these,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: and these are kind of all over the map as
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: far as color and size. Some of them are hairy,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: some of them are not hairy.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I saw that basically every congenital mole has a little hair,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: a hair of some sort. It can be very very fine,
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: It can be thick, it can be coarse, it can
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: be very dark. Yeah, usually they're very dark because they're
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: growing out of pigment cells that are like just pigment away.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: That's right, and I learned that on the Dollar Shave
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Club blog. Oh and they say also to just kind
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: of pluck because shaving, if you're a man like say
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you have one on your face or whatever, it can
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: nick very very frequently. Yeah.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Well, I've got some of the skin tags that obviously
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: don't shave, so it's not a problem now.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: But well, maybe that's why you have skin tags. If
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: you shave, you just shave them off all the time,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: trim them down.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's why.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: No. Now, the skin.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Tags come from like clothing rubbing against the skin. That's
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: why they're around the neckline a lot of times, or
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: sometimes around the waistline, so you know. But again, those
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: aren't birthmarks. Okay, those are old man marks I got
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: you acquired moles. They come around later in life as well.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: And this is not the same as the skin tags. Still,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: it is still a mole. And a lot of doctors
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: think that this is from sun damage.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: Yes, but not necessarily cancerous, which leads us into the
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: third type of mole, atypical moles. These aren't necessarily cancerous either,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: but they're the kind you definitely want to keep an
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: eye on. There'll be multiple colors or have some sort
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: of color gradient in them. Their shape will be just
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: kind of amorphous, irregular. Yeah, they'll be just kind of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: you'll be like that don't look quite right. That's that
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: kind of mole. And those are the kind that you
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: definitely want to have a doctor check out because a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: lot of people don't know this, but an atypical mole
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: is associated with melanoma, and melanoma is no joke. I
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: think a lot of people are like, melonima's nothing. You
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: just go, you know, get it removed at the doctor. No,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: melanoma can spread like lightning through your body and it
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: can be a real problem. It's a very serious thing
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: to keep up with.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a pretty sad situation with a family
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: member with melanoma. Yeah that I think the treatment is
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: going really well, but it is. It has definitely opened
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: my eyes to the fact that it's no joke.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea, you me open my eyes.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: She had somebody that she lost to melanomas. She saw
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: the same thing like melanoma. Then no, that's not at
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: all how it is, which is really weird because somebody's
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: dropping the ball because most people just think it's nothing.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: On messaging. Yeah, yeah, I agree with myself.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Apparently it's interesting that different kinds of cancer have better
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: or worse PR.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, great product, terrible marketing, right, Yeah, it's kind of
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: what we're dealing with here. But I know that.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Prostate cancer has often lagged behind breast cancer, Like breast
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: cancer does a bang up job of marketing and press
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: and PR and awareness. So these, like you said, the
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: doctors will want to monitor these over time. What I
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure out was what is the quote unquote beauty mark?
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Is that an acquired mole?
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I think a beauty mark is any kind of mole
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: that's just like, I'm living with this and I'm loving
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: every minute of it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: It's so interesting how that has become a thing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out where it went back to. Obviously,
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: Marilyn Monroe like really kind of popularized that, right, I
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: think it predated her, Like Liz Taylor is at least contemporary,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: if not pre dating. Yeah, he's very famous for one.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And then like even still today, Cindy Crawford, Scargo, who else, Oh,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: Natalie Portman apparently has them like on her her face. Interesting.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I went over this list of CELEBRITI I was like,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: celebrity birthmarks. The only one that comes up though, is moles.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Could not I couldn't find any like well known celebrities
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: with birthmarks like birthmarks, birthmarks like facial birthmarks. You just
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: I couldn't think of one either. I couldn't find any.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Well, that's probably because of the prejudice against.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Them, I would guess, so, yeah, which is sad. Yeah,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it reminded me though, Chuck. Didn't one of the Fat
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: Albert gang have a birthmark on his face? I don't know.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Was he the guy that had the pulled his toboggan
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: cap over his face? No, I think that was mushmouth,
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: because you never see his face at all. Well, then
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: how would you know if he had a birthmark?
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: I just thought that might have been a like a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: backstory or something.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: I think this just went off the rails enough for
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: a message break, don't you sure?
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll be back right after this and we'll talk
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: about treatment and what I think is a pretty interesting thing,
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: superstitions throughout history about birthmark's greed. All right, So, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: we said about most of these birthmarks, usually medical treatment
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: is not necessary, but some are monitored over time. And
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: what doctors will do, obviously is examine them, take some pictures,
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and then just sort of follow that over time, that
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: same routine to see if they're changing, and to see
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: if they're getting bigger or changing shape or anything unusual.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: It's a wait and see, yes, exactly if you have hamangiomas,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: they will frequently use. Like a port wine stain is
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: something that a lot of people go seek treatment for
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: because it's often on the face, the neck, and it
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: actually responds pretty well to a laser treatment, something called
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a pulsed dye laser.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: Is this like the same tattoo treatment or no? Probably
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: because that's pretty painful, right. Oh, yes, Like I can't
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: amat because it says children a lot of times can
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: be treated with this laser treatment.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: But man, I know it's sad. It feels a lot
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: like having like a hot bacon grease splashing on your skin.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: That's what if getting a laser or tattoo remove with
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: a laser.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: But without the knowledge that like in a couple of minutes,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be eating some sweet bacon.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: More like if the only silver lining to it is
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: that a pig didn't die for you to be in
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: that situation, you know what I mean, right, or.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I won't have whatever tattoo I obviously don't want on
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: my body anymore. That's the reward.
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: There, right. So if that is the case, then if
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: it is the same feeling as that, then yeah, I
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: feel bad for the little kids who get that. But
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that's the best time to start this treatment is when
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the child is young, because again, what you're what you're
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: doing is you're using a pulse dye laser, which uses
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: a certain frequency or spectrum wavelength of light that is
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: targeted so that that birthmark will absorb that light. The
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: surrounding skin is a different pigment, so it won't absorb
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that light like the birthmark. Well, and that energy, that
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: light energy is translated into heat energy in the birthmark
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and there go the cells or the blood vessels that
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: make up the cells. And after enough treatments you've hopefully
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: broken up the hamangioma or the port wine stain and
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: like the birthmark will go away. Did you hear that?
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Did you hear that? That was me? I think the No,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: it was me, No, that was mine. Well, then we
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: just had a simultaneous stomach growl because my stomach just
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: growled at the same time, Wow, are we like yeah,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: after twelve years of podcasting together.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: So if you are getting something removed, it's usually a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: vascular birthmark. Generally they don't try and get rid of
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: pigmented birth marks, although it's possible, I think, but usually
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: doctors don't treat that.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: No. But if you if you have a child with
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: say a cafe Ola birthmark on their on their face,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: the doctor's not going to be like, no, we're not
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: doing that. They'll they'll probably try to work it out,
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: but the results are not nearly as reliable as with
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: vascular birth marks, which have to do with blood vessels
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: beneath the skin clustered together, overdeveloped, that kind of thing.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Or what your doctor might say is you know what,
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: this thing's on your forehead, grow your bangs out until
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: you get old enough to where you accept this as
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: an individual trait that you're proud of.
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: There's something called the British Association of Skin Camouflage that
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: is dedicated to helping people actually training makeup artists on
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: how to cover birthmarks because for some people they'll just
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: never get used to it. They don't want to have
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: to get used to it. They just rather cover it up,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: and that's their right, that's their prerogative. Yes, they're birth mark.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: They can do whatever they want with it. And so
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the average makeup artists doesn't know how to do that.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: It actually takes special skills apparently, and so there's groups
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: who train people so interesting to do that. Yeah, we
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: should do I don't know, I don't.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Know if it's a short stuff for full length, but
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: we should do something on vital igo.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I had a friend in La who who had vidal igo.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: And again, like just same with some of this stuff.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: It's such a forward facing thing if it's on your face,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: and it's a big deal to people. It's an important
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: it's important issue because like the bullying like we were
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: talking about, were just kids and adults remaining self conscious
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: about that kind of thing, right, It's it's sad.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: It is sad. Agreed. I think we could all do
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: a lot better at accepting people with facial differences. What
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: it's called.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something on facial differences.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: I don't remember what it was, but I know I've
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: mentioned this group before, Changingfaces dot Org.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: They're just there. Their whole thing is like, hey, actually
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: it's funny they are. They promote skinned camouflage if you
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: want it, but they're also they're big pushes. Like, hey,
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: rest of society, there's nothing different about these people except
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: for their face. Like they're not cognitively challenged. They're they're
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: not disabled in any way or differently able to their
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: face is different for any number of reasons, and it's
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: really kind of on the rest of you to get
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: over it. Yeah, you know, which I think is the
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: healthiest approach if you ask me.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: So the superstitions we were talking about, I know we
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: mentioned a couple early on, like that you were touched
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: by the devil, like that was real stuff. In some
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: cultures in China, there were some quirky ones like if
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you have a right foot birthmark means you're adventurous. It's
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: on the left foot, it means you're really smart. If
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it's on your tom Tom's that means you're greedy. And
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: this is just sort of you know, culture and.
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: Folklore sure the world around so because we can't explain
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: what birthmarks are where they come from all over the world,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: people's societies. So it's something the mom did while she
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: was pregnant, of course, and so we came up with
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: all sorts of dipstick ideas for exactly what the mom
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: did wrong to explain birthmarks.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: One of my favorites is that the mom was startled
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: and touched her face.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Oh so the baby, and at.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: The exact same moment, the baby's blood vessels at that
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: point in the baby's face formed a birthmark. It's very scientific.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Or how about this, If you have a strawberry mark
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: as a baby, it's because mom ate too many red things.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or can't lay off the strawberries.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Or port wine staining. They couldn't lay off the wine, yeah,
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: Or coffee cafel a coffee that's so on the nose, Like,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: come on, people.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: It is. There's this thing called the doctrine of signs,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: where like if a food looked like a body part,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: it was associated with helping to heal that body part.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Like beats are good for the for the blood or
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Or avocados are good for the testicles.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I was hoping you would bring that up.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Let me see what else. In Japan, if a pregnant
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: woman looked at a fire or into a flame of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: some kind, they thought that might cause a burn mark.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: On the baby skin. Yep.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: And I think some of these carry forward a little
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: bit even today.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Well, the x ray one is obviously fairly modern.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: Oh sure.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Like the explanation is that the mom got an X
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: ray while she was pregnant and it basically left a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: mark on the baby. Yeah, that's not true. That is
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: not true. The one that really is always stuck out
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: to me, and it reminded me of this case I
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: want to tell you about. Is this idea that a
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: birthmark is actually a mark left over from a past life.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: This is pretty neat, Like if you have a birthmark
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: that looks like a bullet hole in your back, that
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: means you were shot in the back right in.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: A past life, and not just like that's what that means.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Like there are there are I really hesitate to use
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: this where they're documented cases of this happening. And supposedly
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: there was this kid in Syria who was born with
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: like a kind of like a slash like birthmark I think,
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: on the back of his head, and apparently from a
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: very early age, when the kid was able to start
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to talk, started recounting being murdered with an axe. Oh interesting,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and then started talking about the village where he used
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: to live and who is what his name was? And
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: then the guy that killed him, and it was enough
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: allegedly that the village elders where this kid lived were like,
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: we need to go check this out. So they traveled
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: to that other village and they said, does so and
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: so live here? And they're like, yeah, he lives over there.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: And it's like, well, did somebody else name this live here?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Once they're like, yes, he died, he vanished mysteriously, and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: they went and talked to it. They went and talked
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to the accuser. He broke down and confessed and showed
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: him where they buried the body that this kid supposedly
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: was in the past life. Wow, who was murdered by
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: an axe? There's just no way that that happened. But
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: I love reading about stuff like that. The part of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: me that's like, yeah, that subscribed to that time life
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: books of like paranormal phenomena, Yeah, still loves stories like that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you lost me when you said village elders.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, because.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You know they're the same ones that are like, well
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: you're a witch too because of that?
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: See if she floats?
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Right? So what else you got any others let me
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: see here.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: While we talked about the Devil's mark, supposedly am Boleyn
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was accused of witch.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Craftory supposedly, I saw also that she most decidedly was not.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, I think that's the legend all.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Right, possession by the devil. Yeah, it could be another one.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: And one thing that we did know was that definitely
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: did happen historically, is from the seventeenth to the nineteenth centuries,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: if you were Russian nobility, you proved it by displaying
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: your birthmark.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, what's what was the family
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: of the Romanovs.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty interesting, which actually holds water because they think
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: that some birthmarks may be congenital. It's entirely possible that
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: a family line, especially one that kind of kept them themselves,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I know what you mean,
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: could conceivably pass down something like a birthmark. Yeah, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: so unless you do you have anything else, No, I
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: don't chuck take it away.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think we just should close by really like stressing
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to any kids listening and parents of children.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: That vascular birthmarks have to do with blood vessels under
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: the skin.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: No, just explain to your kids if there's another kid
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: in their class, as you know, a pretty obvious birthmark
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: that they're just the same. Yeah, and don't don't tease
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: kids for that stuff. If you're a kid that's young
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: and listening, we all look different, we all have different
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: skin tones. Yeah, just don't be a jerk.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: No, I think that's really great advice.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: No, I think the golden rule. Think about how you
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: might feel if somebody was making fun of something about
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: your body.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: That's a good one too. Yeah. If you want to
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: know more about parenting, well you could just listen to
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: all of our other episodes. And since I said that,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: it's time for listener mail.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: This is from Ryan and Lucy, the aforementioned band name ref.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: They have been to our shows at the Bell House
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a couple of times, a few times and let me
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: see where are they from here? Road trips between New
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: York and Providence, And then they've seen us at the
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Bell House and they said, we realize how much we
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: get a kick out of the various band names, and
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: we started to inventory them a few years ago. Since
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: our wedding ends next week, we realize that now it's
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: a perfect time to just go ahead and send you
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the list. I'm not sure why that has anything to
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: do any but Ryan and Lucy congratulations for what it's worth.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: Ryan's favorite is worm burden. Oh yeah, from the hookworm
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and Lucy's mouth parts. That's from a lot of episodes.
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: But we'll just buzz through these really quickly, just for
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: nostyalgia's sake, and aspiring bands jump in and take these.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And give us some money for him.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: There's some real gold in here.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Are we doing all those?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's right.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I'll go through them quickly. A fistful of neurons, warm burden,
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: tub of pulp. I know you want to comment on everyone,
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: don't you just throw in what you think is really
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: good threat simulation theory. Poor Fred Noonan, I remember that one,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: yea sweet give me the teat. I don't remember that one.
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: It was from Uncanny Valley, but I don't remember saying
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: that was a band.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: Or even how it would relate to it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: This is for movie crush. Sick vandalism that's a good one,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: flesh on the chunks, hot plastic injection, pyrocastic flow, that's
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: a good one. Flaming death bolts, pintos that is a
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: legendary one, conceptual walls, framing him cohort.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Offspring cohort, omnikohort, third generation cohort offspring, spousal cohort.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: I don't remember any of those.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: All those were from that heart study.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Okay, oh that's right. Cortical homunculus. That's pretty good, medieval synthesis,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: magic bullet. Eh. I want to retract this next one
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: because apparently I said Herbal Douches was a good man named.
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I take that back. Okay, that's terrible.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Slaughtered narwaal peck lube, sex link, processive manhole incidents.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. Graphic spew, gross nuclear bulge, love it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Local group. That's kind of dumb. Oh no, I can
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: see that. It's kind of like Scrantonicity. Oh sure, yeah.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: The Electric Death Commission. I love that one.
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor Foss, bomb drop.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: What was that one?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Michael Dylon, Huh, I don't remember exactly what that referenced,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: death Master file, mouth fart, the of course, the classic
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: frozen poop knife. Yeah, sloth moths, radioactive cats, that one's dumb.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Static crush. I like that one.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Damage Night not bad. The descriptivists, Eh, that's a little haughty.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: I think sure, but I could be kind of like
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Mumferge and Suns kind of music, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, it.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Sounds too much like Decembrists.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I think that is exactly right.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: Bathtub Jin Wasted on Excitement. That's an album title, he says,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: But that's pretty good as a band, Mother Culture, Jungle
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: x Ray very recent, wet record the album from Jungle
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: x Ray, two, Whale Bolt from Corduroy, and then Going Postal,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: which he says is a lot of bands are called that.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you look that up, even didnto it?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I think so those are good.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: We always, always, anytime we talk about great band names
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: from episodes, have to give a shout out, especially when
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Frozen Poop Knife comes up to Diarrhea Planet.
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: Well, he had that on the list. I think he
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: didn't quite understand that that is a real.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Band, old band that pre dates Frozen Poop Knife. I know.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: I'd like to think that they've been tweeted at over
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: the years.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh they've tweeted to us.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, they have, right, they said, they.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Said, hey, sorry, we're gonna stick with our thanks for
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: thinking of it. Yeah. In other words, shut up. Maybe
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it depends on how you
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: look at the world. Yeah, okay, so I think that's
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: it everybody. I don't remember what's going on anymore. But
• 49:24
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