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OUTRAGE! Woman fined just $25 for leaving tot to bake dead in sweltering SUV · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: willing Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Donna Ruly Burney has
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Speaker 1: her hands full as she walks five of her grandkids
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Speaker 1: to the pool. She said she can't imagine forgetting a
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Speaker 1: child in a vehicle under any circumstance. You remember you
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Speaker 1: brought him out the house, so you remember to take
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Speaker 1: on with you. I don't see no excuse for it.
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Speaker 1: We met the family just steps from the parking lot
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Speaker 1: on West fourth Street and william Sport, where police say
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Speaker 1: four year old Samriam Motika lost her life after being
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Speaker 1: left in a hot car when claims she forgot to
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Speaker 1: drop the girl a daycare before heading to work. On Friday,
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Speaker 1: a caregiver, a thirty year old woman, leaves her boyfriend's
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Speaker 1: four year old little girl in a sweltering suv over
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Speaker 1: six hours on a ninety seven degree day outside. We
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Speaker 1: are learning the thirty year old girlfriend has just been
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Speaker 1: fined twenty five dollars no jail time twenty five ours
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Speaker 1: and enjoining me right now as a special guest. It
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Speaker 1: is the girlfriend's father. Vic Bourges, father of Brittany renee Bourgess,
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Speaker 1: is with us. Mister Bourges, thank you so much for
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Speaker 1: being with us. I know this was all a huge
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Speaker 1: shock to you. Tell me what happened the day it
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Speaker 1: was so hot outside and the top was left in
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Speaker 1: the car. Yeah, that's about exactly what happened. You have
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Speaker 1: to look at the science behind this, because stated in
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Speaker 1: that framework, most people are going to say that there's
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Speaker 1: no excuse. I mean, Nancy yourself, could you imagine leaving
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Speaker 1: a child in a hot, slaughtering car a baby? Could
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Speaker 1: you imagine doing at yourself? No, I could not imagine it.
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Speaker 1: That's right, and neither could she. It's something that people
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Speaker 1: don't understand, people don't plan for, and it happens in
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Speaker 1: our country on an average of thirty eight times every year.
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Speaker 1: There's I mean, since the late nineties when they started
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Speaker 1: to make it a law to put car seats in
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Speaker 1: the back seat because children were being injured and there
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Speaker 1: were fatalities from airbags. In late nineties, they started to
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Speaker 1: require that the car seats go in the back seat,
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Speaker 1: and this phenomena of this forgotten baby syndrome started to occur,
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Speaker 1: the deaths and the fatality. Well, I was trying to
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Speaker 1: direct you to the day that Samaria died in the suv.
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Speaker 1: What happened that day? Whitney drove to work and lost
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Speaker 1: awareness that Samaria was in the vehicle. Okay, what does
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Speaker 1: that mean? Lost awareness the child was in the vehicle.
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Speaker 1: It sounds like she passed out. It's I mean, you
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Speaker 1: really to put it. To understand it, you have to
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Speaker 1: read and do a little research like we had to
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Speaker 1: to understand it, because, just like yourself and other people
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Speaker 1: in the panel, nobody understands it. You even said you
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Speaker 1: couldn't imagine doing it, but yet it happened. No, no, no no,
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Speaker 1: no no. I have researched it, and I have studied
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Speaker 1: it very carefully in many criminal cases, many many criminal cases.
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Speaker 1: And I understand that people say it is a phenomena
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Speaker 1: that is some type of physiological response. But what I'm
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Speaker 1: asking you is, in your life, what happened the day
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Speaker 1: Samaria died in a sweltering suv. In my life, that day,
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Speaker 1: I was at a charity event, ironically, for a child
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Speaker 1: with a heart condition that we helped sponsor. That's what
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Speaker 1: I was doing that day until later that afternoon when
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Speaker 1: I got in the office around two thirty three o'clock,
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Speaker 1: when Smario was discovered in the vehicle. Okay, you're at
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Speaker 1: your office, and what happens. As soon as Brittany left
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Speaker 1: and went out to the vehicle, she opened the door
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Speaker 1: of her vehicle and saw somebody. She didn't know who
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Speaker 1: it was. She didn't realize that it was Sumario, and
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Speaker 1: she came running back in screaming, and then a group
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Speaker 1: of us ran out. She was pretty much inaudible what
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Speaker 1: she was screaming. We didn't know what was going on.
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Speaker 1: It was frantic, and we all ran out and didn't.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just you just don't even know. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's just a very high stress and tragic event.
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Speaker 1: You don't know what's well, okay, let me ask you something,
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Speaker 1: mister Boorgess. I'm trying. I'm grappling with what you're saying,
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Speaker 1: and I'm trying to understand it. She put the child
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Speaker 1: in the car. How could she not know that that
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Speaker 1: was the child? Well, then you didn't read and do
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Speaker 1: the research that you said, Ynswer, because if you read
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Speaker 1: anything of doctor Diamond, he explains it. It's the basil
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Speaker 1: gangular part of the brain where a brain goes on
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Speaker 1: the autopilot. It's very similar to planning too. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to minimize this, but it's very similar
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Speaker 1: to planning to go to the the grocery store. So I'm
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Speaker 1: at work and it's four to thirty, and I think,
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Speaker 1: on the stop at the grocery store and pick up
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Speaker 1: some milk and eggs, and then I'm gonna go home.
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Speaker 1: And then I get home and realize I didn't pick
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Speaker 1: up milk and eggs, and I go, darn it. I
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Speaker 1: got to go back out and go to the store.
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Speaker 1: It's similar to when a doctor a surgeon is doing
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Speaker 1: surgery and leaves a sponge or an instrument inside of
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Speaker 1: a patient and seals them up. It's similar to one
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Speaker 1: an airline pilot forgets to put his landing gear down
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Speaker 1: and you know, hundreds of people are injured or tilt.
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Speaker 1: It's that part of the human brain that doesn't function
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Speaker 1: the way we wanted to. It goes onto an autopilot
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Speaker 1: where it affects the basil gangula and the hippocampus and
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Speaker 1: things like that. I didn't know any of this stuff
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Speaker 1: until I did the research. And that's what that's what's
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Speaker 1: happening now. Finally, as the awareness of this is starting
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Speaker 1: to come out, even automobile manufacturers are finally, after all
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Speaker 1: these years, trying to and starting to put sensors and
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Speaker 1: monitors in these vehicles because this doesn't just happen. Mister borgeous,
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Speaker 1: Mister borgeous, Okay, you are stating that, and instead of
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Speaker 1: pointing the finger at me and everyone else for not
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Speaker 1: rating your research, consider the fact that we have read
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Speaker 1: your research and questions I don't have. Yeah, well, you
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Speaker 1: keep saying I haven't read the research. Let me tell you,
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Speaker 1: I'm questioning the research because saying that I forgot to
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Speaker 1: get the milk and the eggs at the grocery store,
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Speaker 1: that's a far different claim than you claiming that she
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Speaker 1: had a brain malfunction. Forgetfulness is far different from a
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Speaker 1: physical malfunction in the human brain. Forgetting something and a
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Speaker 1: physical malfunction in the human brain are two very, very
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Speaker 1: different things. And it's my understanding that Brittany Renee reached
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Speaker 1: back and got something out of the car, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to reconcile how she didn't notice the child.
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Speaker 1: That's inaccurate. She didn't reach back, I can get anything
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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle that's not true, so that's fictitious.
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Speaker 1: So then you're saying that the reports are wrong. I
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Speaker 1: didn't say, like for getting to pick up eggs at
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Speaker 1: the grocery store. But it's kind of the same bring.
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Speaker 1: It is the same brain function and mauthfunction, and it's
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Speaker 1: the same reason that the doctor, like you didn't use
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Speaker 1: the doctor scenario when a surgeon, a professional that does
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Speaker 1: the surgeries leaves instruments and okay, I'll address that. You're
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Speaker 1: absolutely right, I'm using all the examples you gave, so
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Speaker 1: I will address that one. And as far as a doctor,
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Speaker 1: a physician leaving a spudge and a patient, that is
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Speaker 1: medical maupractice, which can be involuntary manslaughter, negligence that results
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Speaker 1: in a death. So yes, I will be happy to
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Speaker 1: address that example, sir. When a dodger does that and
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Speaker 1: that action results in a death, that is a a
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Speaker 1: civil lawsuit, be a potential criminal prosecution. That's right, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what this is. This is exactly to
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Speaker 1: your point. You're making a point here. Exactly that's what happens. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: thank you. And when you kill somebody as a result
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Speaker 1: of negligence. Typically you go to jail. Now what goes
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Speaker 1: to try on anty? You know that your litigator, I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to continue to do this interview because you
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Speaker 1: are trying to say sensationalize this and create more of
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Speaker 1: a tragedy. This is a terrible too. No, I'm using
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Speaker 1: your examples that you gave me. You gave me these examples.
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to understand how it happened. And instead of
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Speaker 1: telling me how it happened, you're talking about a doctor
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Speaker 1: in surgery for getting milk and eggs. I'm asking you
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Speaker 1: about what happened that day so I can understand it.
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Speaker 1: I told you exactly what happened. I don't know how
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Speaker 1: you want me to embellish it. But she drove to
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Speaker 1: work thinking, thinking that she did everything she was supposed
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Speaker 1: to do that morning. Everything was checked off her list
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Speaker 1: in her mind, and she came to work. And it's
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Speaker 1: called is called the forgotten baby syndrome. People lose awareness
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Speaker 1: of these things. It's a terrible tragedy. And there's like
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Speaker 1: I said, there's thirty eight of thees that happened on
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Speaker 1: averaging year, and you know she had. It's just a
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Speaker 1: terrible thing. I mean that's all you can say. There
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Speaker 1: is what else can I fill it? Where can I
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Speaker 1: fill in any blanks here? This is exactly what happened denying.
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Speaker 1: Now you could tell me about her assertation that she
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Speaker 1: was chronically sleep deprived. Yeah, she was planning to get it.
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Speaker 1: They were getting married, I mean, yeah, they were getting married.
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Speaker 1: They moved into a new home. She was she had
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Speaker 1: other children, She had a two year old little boy,
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Speaker 1: Sumaria's brother, and she was chronically sleep at ride. He
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Speaker 1: had an alternating schedule that was just bizarre to how
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Speaker 1: much it changed because Bill drove bus and his schedule changed,
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Speaker 1: and they had certain days that they took the kids,
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Speaker 1: certain days they didn't. The actually the schedule for when
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Speaker 1: Smaria was with him changed every couple of days, Like
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Speaker 1: they hadn't two days this week and two days the
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Speaker 1: next week, and it just rotated, so that, you know,
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Speaker 1: that's definitely a factor, and that's what they find in
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Speaker 1: a lot of these Sometimes they'll take the kids, sometimes
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Speaker 1: take the kids. Sometimes she'd take one, sometimes she'd take two.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes she'd had to deal with all three of them.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was a tremendous amount. The
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Speaker 1: very next day, was her bridal shower, which she th
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Speaker 1: reading that Facebook thing that she had, but they called
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Speaker 1: off all of that stuff, you know, they called off
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Speaker 1: the wedding, and so she had a lot on her mind. Absolutely, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: but I was hoping that this wouldn't really go this direction,
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Speaker 1: you know, trying to said that it was going to
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Speaker 1: go more trying to raise awareness to have these tragedies
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Speaker 1: happen and why they keep happening. Well, let's take that
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Speaker 1: opportunity right now and you explain give your message that
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Speaker 1: you want people to hear, mister Borgis. Well, come down
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Speaker 1: to is that people that are caregivers and parents that
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Speaker 1: have children in their vehicles and they're taking them to
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Speaker 1: daycare of wherever they're taking them to um they need
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Speaker 1: to thankfully finally the automobile manufacturers or put these sensors in,
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Speaker 1: but they have to put something in the back of
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Speaker 1: the vehicle like a cell phone or something that reminds them.
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Speaker 1: So people there are starting that it's starting to come
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Speaker 1: out more where there are solutions for this to stop happening.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's some preventive measures in place, but
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Speaker 1: this time it really wasn't And again people people don't
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Speaker 1: think that this can happen. They can't imagine it. We
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Speaker 1: can't let ourselves imagine that we can do this. I
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Speaker 1: hear what you're saying, and I hear that you were
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Speaker 1: saying it was because of a brain malfunction. However, what
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Speaker 1: I don't understand is the fact that the law is
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Speaker 1: that when you make a mistake, even innocently, due to negligence.
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Speaker 1: Negligence means you don't intend it. You don't mean for
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Speaker 1: that to happen. That was not what you set out
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Speaker 1: to do. But because of negligent behavior, a death occurs,
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Speaker 1: and in this case, a taught a horrible, horrid death
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Speaker 1: that is provided for in the law, and that is
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Speaker 1: called involuntary manslaughter. No one is suggesting that Brittany Renee
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Speaker 1: Burgess intended to do this that day. The reality is
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Speaker 1: it was a negligent act she forgot. That equals involuntary manslaughter.
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Speaker 1: The child is dead, and the penalty for that is
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Speaker 1: jail time. So I think you, sir, instead of being
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Speaker 1: angry at me, I need to realize that, well, you
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Speaker 1: sound angry that people are concerned over a twenty five
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Speaker 1: dollars fine when a taught is dead because of negligent.
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Speaker 1: You can't see that. I'm not angry at you. This
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Speaker 1: is very emotionally charged situation. I'm not angry at you
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Speaker 1: at all. You're doing your job and you guys are
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Speaker 1: asking me questions, and I you know, it does get
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Speaker 1: a little spirited. Okay. I was not one of the
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Speaker 1: jurors on this trial. There were twelve people, twelve peers
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Speaker 1: that didn't know anything about the trial, didn't read anything
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Speaker 1: on Facebook, didn't know any of us, and they found
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Speaker 1: her not guilty of all three of the main charges.
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Speaker 1: And what I understand, this was quite an education, this
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Speaker 1: whole process. But is and I think you have a
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Speaker 1: legal background, and some of the people in the panel
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Speaker 1: do that. For those charges, there has to be an
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Speaker 1: awareness of conscious decision. So, in other words, for involuntary manslaughter,
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Speaker 1: Brittany had to walk away from that vehicle knowing that
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Speaker 1: she left the child in the vehicle. For any of
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Speaker 1: those charges, even for neglect, you have to know that
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Speaker 1: you walked away and said, oh, I'm gonna leave the
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Speaker 1: child in here, I'm gonna run in here for a minute,
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Speaker 1: and then you forget the child's in there afterwards. That
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Speaker 1: didn't happen, and twelve jurors looked at all of the
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Speaker 1: information on a three day trial and all the facts,
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Speaker 1: and watched the videos, they heard the nine one one pull,
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Speaker 1: and they all, you know, they found her not guilty
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Speaker 1: of those charges. The charge for the this is like
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Speaker 1: that summary charge that you're referring to. That shouldn't have
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Speaker 1: been part of this. That should have been something nailed.
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Speaker 1: I guess I don't know, but for some reason, the
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Speaker 1: judge said, there's this one last thing the rugs left
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Speaker 1: and he said, there's one last thing that needs cleared up,
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Speaker 1: and this is a summary charge is leaving a child
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Speaker 1: unattended in the vehicle. And he said, just basically, please
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Speaker 1: don't even fight it. So the attorney I didn't like
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Speaker 1: the whole idea of that. I mean, I didn't really
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Speaker 1: know what's going on. But then they said, you know
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Speaker 1: that the twelve dollars or the twenty five dollars was
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Speaker 1: the charge, and that, my god, you know when that
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Speaker 1: came out in the paper, of course, that's gonna infuriate people.
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Speaker 1: Be sure if I was, you know, I mean, if
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Speaker 1: I lost a child like this, well, mister board, Jess,
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Speaker 1: I want to tell you one thing, and that is
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Speaker 1: I missed my father every single day of my life.
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Speaker 1: He was my soul mate. We did everything together. And
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Speaker 1: if I was in the position that Brittany Renee is
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Speaker 1: in right now, my father would be defending me tooth.
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Speaker 1: And now I understand where you're coming from completely. I
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Speaker 1: disagree with you, but I understand what you're saying, and
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Speaker 1: I understand the defense that you are discussing. And please
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Speaker 1: pass on to your daughter for me that she is
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Speaker 1: a very lucky lady to have a father like you. Well,
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Speaker 1: for one thing, he didn't go to jail, and you're
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Speaker 1: defending her, and I would say that that is very lucky. Hi,
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Speaker 1: of a little girl who died in a hot car
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Speaker 1: two years ago, will only have to pay a twenty
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Speaker 1: five dollars fine. A jury found at Brittany Borges from
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Speaker 1: South Williamsport not guilty of all but one charge. Prosecutors
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Speaker 1: had accused her of, among other things, involuntary manslaughter, but
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Speaker 1: jurors only found her guilty of leaving a child unattended
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Speaker 1: in a car. Her punishment is that twenty five dollars fine.
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Speaker 1: Williamsport police say Borges forgot to drop the four year
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Speaker 1: old off at daycare on a ninety seven degree summer
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Speaker 1: day and left the girl in the car for hours.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing from wnep's coverage a tiny tot dead
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Speaker 1: Smara Matya after being left in a sweltering suv for
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Speaker 1: at least six hours. Her dad's girlfriend, Brittany Renee Burgess,
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Speaker 1: walks scot free with just a twenty five dollar fine.
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Speaker 1: What a child goes through during a hot car death
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Speaker 1: is horrific. I remember investigating and covering such cases where
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Speaker 1: the child strapped in a car seat actually clause at
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Speaker 1: its own face, blood coming down its face, bucking back
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Speaker 1: and forth, trying to get out of the car seat,
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Speaker 1: the stifling heat. There's no air to breathe until the
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Speaker 1: child dies. That's what happened. That's the reality of what happened.
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Speaker 1: We just heard from Brittany Renee Burgess's father, Vic Burgess,
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Speaker 1: who glosses over the taughts gruesome death, blaming his daughter's
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Speaker 1: actions on a quote brain malfunction, comparing it too forgetting
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Speaker 1: to get milk and eggs at the grocery store, or
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Speaker 1: medical malpractice where a doctor leaves a sponge inside of
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Speaker 1: a patient. Okay, I'm not by I'm not going along
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Speaker 1: with that at all. Let me understand exactly what happened.
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan joining me journalists investigative reporter with Crime Online
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Speaker 1: Dot com Lee. Many many insiders state that Brittany Renee
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Speaker 1: Burgess reached it and got something out. Okay, the father says,
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Speaker 1: that's inaccurate. Tell me what you know, Lee, as to
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Speaker 1: what happened that day, the day Samaria sweltered to death.
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Speaker 1: I'm here, Nancy. Early in the morning, Brittany took her
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Speaker 1: toddler son to daycare. First Samaria and her little boy.
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Speaker 1: They went to different daycares for whatever reason. The mother
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Speaker 1: told me it was because she wanted Samaria in the
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Speaker 1: same daycare because it's closer to her own home. But
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Speaker 1: so Brittany brought her boy to his daycare, dropped him
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Speaker 1: off just fine, forgot Samaria and drove straight past her
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Speaker 1: daycare to her employment, which was about five miles away
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Speaker 1: from her home. She backed into a parking lot, so
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Speaker 1: she did have to look behind her to back into
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Speaker 1: this parking lot. Samaria was in the back seat in
24:39
Speaker 1: a booster seat. Kay Lee Egan, let me understand, you
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Speaker 1: were saying that Brittany Renee Borges backed in her car
24:46
Speaker 1: that day, so she had to look back. You're also
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Speaker 1: telling me that the baby Samaria was in the back seat.
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Speaker 1: This is an SUV. Was she in the seat directly
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Speaker 1: behind the driver. Or was she in the way back,
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Speaker 1: the third back, the third seat, the far back by
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Speaker 1: the hatchback? Which seat was she? And Lee, if you know, no,
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Speaker 1: she was directly behind her. I'm just thinking about this, Okay.
25:08
Speaker 1: So she's driving, she's backing up. She either looks back
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Speaker 1: in her rear view mirror or actually turns around and
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Speaker 1: looking back. My kids, my children always sit in the
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Speaker 1: same spot. John David sits directly behind me. And when
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Speaker 1: I turned back and look, Caddy cornered, I see Lucy. Okay,
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Speaker 1: sorry about that. I just wanted to understand what you
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Speaker 1: were saying. Okay, go ahead, Lee, And according to court documents,
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Speaker 1: she didn't look in her window. She actually turned back
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Speaker 1: to back into the parking lot. So she looked it
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Speaker 1: backwards to go into the park And you reviewed the
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Speaker 1: court documents yourself, Lee, is that correct? Yeah? So Lee,
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Speaker 1: she backs in, looks back. Then what happens to your
25:48
Speaker 1: understanding and then to my understanding, she gets out of
25:50
Speaker 1: the car, She shuts the car, and there was also
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Speaker 1: a security camera directly looking right where she parked. She
25:57
Speaker 1: shuts the door and she walks away. Six and a
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Speaker 1: half hours later, she walks back to the car. She
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Speaker 1: looks inside and she sees Samaria laying in the front seat,
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Speaker 1: slumped over with her head resting on the passenger seat.
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Speaker 1: She starts screaming. He runs inside to get help, and
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Speaker 1: then the person that came out but trying to help
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Speaker 1: her is But I believe they were trying to get
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Speaker 1: her out while the girlfriend was on the phone calling
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Speaker 1: nine to one. Okay, let me backtrack just a moment,
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. In addition to Lee Egan with
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com, Ashley Wilcot juvenile judge, founder of
26:31
Speaker 1: Childcrimewatch dot com on Facebook, and Ashley Wilcot dot com,
26:35
Speaker 1: Vincent Hill, private investigator, former author of Playbook to a Murder,
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Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, human behavior expert, let me go first to you,
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot. You know, I feel bad for the dad.
26:47
Speaker 1: I understand why he's so combative and angry defending his daughter,
26:50
Speaker 1: but this doesn't smell right to me. I don't like
26:53
Speaker 1: it one darn bit. This case is disturbing to me
26:55
Speaker 1: on so many levels. It is true that nationwide they're
26:59
Speaker 1: been probably thirty plus child deaths from being left in
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Speaker 1: a car. That doesn't excuse it. That doesn't allow it
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Speaker 1: a scientific diagnosis, that means it doesn't need to happen
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Speaker 1: at a minimum. At a minimum, it is child endangerment
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Speaker 1: at a minimum. But it really is negligence even if
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Speaker 1: someone literally forgot their child, which is very hard for
27:22
Speaker 1: me to understand how anyone can do that. I do
27:25
Speaker 1: juvenile law. I'm on the bench. I don't understand how
27:28
Speaker 1: you forget your child. But assuming it's true someone legitimately
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Speaker 1: forgets their child and times of high stress, etc. It
27:36
Speaker 1: is still negligence and child endangerment. It took all I
27:42
Speaker 1: could do to bite my tongue while speaking with her father,
27:47
Speaker 1: because it's not her father's fault. He's defending her. I
27:50
Speaker 1: disagree with him three and I hate to attack him.
27:55
Speaker 1: But claiming this is a brain malfunction, this woman, Brittany Reneebor,
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Speaker 1: just had no history at all before or since of
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Speaker 1: a brain malfunction. And the examples he gave are simple forgetfulness.
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Speaker 1: There's no phenomena, And saying there's thirty eight such deaths
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Speaker 1: a year in the US three hundred and twenty five
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Speaker 1: point seven million people three hundred million people live in
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Speaker 1: the US, they're thirty eight such deaths. That's thirty eight
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Speaker 1: negligent homicides. Okay, I'm just having a really hard time
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Speaker 1: trying to connect with this woman. Brittany renee Borges Susan
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Speaker 1: Constantine with me. Human behavior expert, Susan, you heard the dad.
28:47
Speaker 1: You know the facts as Lee Egan has laid them
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Speaker 1: out for you. Weigh in, Yeah, you know, three different times, Nancy,
28:54
Speaker 1: you asked him what happened that day, and the first time,
28:59
Speaker 1: when you try to end, he says, well, in my mind,
29:03
Speaker 1: so he couldn't answer in her mind or what she
29:06
Speaker 1: told me or what happened. That he paused and hesitated
29:10
Speaker 1: several times and never really did answer the questions because
29:13
Speaker 1: he doesn't really know. And then he says, you know,
29:16
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to minimize this. Well, that's exactly what
29:18
Speaker 1: he was doing. He was minimizing it. So he was
29:21
Speaker 1: banking on the forensic science. That's what felt safe for him,
29:25
Speaker 1: because if the forensic science expert said that this is
29:28
Speaker 1: what happened, then that's looked good enough for me, and
29:30
Speaker 1: that releas his guilt also. But we also know that
29:34
Speaker 1: people that were found not guilty doesn't mean that they're
29:36
Speaker 1: innocent and just because twelve jurors found her not guilty,
29:41
Speaker 1: tells me there wasn't a very good, strong team of
29:45
Speaker 1: experts that to be able to provide opposing arguments. Well,
29:48
Speaker 1: here's another issue that I'm trying to figure out. Even
29:52
Speaker 1: if she had a quote brain malfunction, I a forgot
29:55
Speaker 1: when she got out of the car six hours us past.
30:01
Speaker 1: During that time, nobody remembers. She never remembers the baby.
30:08
Speaker 1: I mean, for example, this morning, I've been worried all
30:12
Speaker 1: morning Ashley Willcot, you know, because the twins have safety patrol.
30:18
Speaker 1: It's twenty seven degrees outside. I've thought about their fingers
30:22
Speaker 1: and their head, and Lucy's beer legs and her darned
30:26
Speaker 1: scort ever since I took them to school. No matter
30:30
Speaker 1: how many times I said, you need to wear tights, No,
30:35
Speaker 1: she had to go bare legged because she'd rather freeze
30:38
Speaker 1: than have people think she looks weird. And tights or
30:40
Speaker 1: a hat for that matter. I even carried them and
30:44
Speaker 1: handed them to her as she was getting out. In
30:46
Speaker 1: no way, no, not gonna happen. And I have thought
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Speaker 1: about that. It was all I could do to wrestle
30:52
Speaker 1: two coats onto her. Now John David has covered up,
30:55
Speaker 1: you know, like he's wearing a barca. He doesn't mind.
30:58
Speaker 1: He'd wear a blanket over his head. He couldn't care less.
31:00
Speaker 1: But I thought about them a hundred times since that happened, Ashley,
31:04
Speaker 1: how do you go six hours and not think, Oh,
31:07
Speaker 1: dear Lord in Heaven, I left the baby in the car.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't there that one split second. No, I don't know.
31:13
Speaker 1: I honestly, I don't get it. I don't understand it.
31:16
Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me. How can you, I
31:19
Speaker 1: think at some point you say, oh my gosh, Oh
31:22
Speaker 1: my gosh, what's happened to my child. I didn't go
31:24
Speaker 1: to the ten minutes later, five minutes later, three minutes later,
31:28
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I forgot to drop my child. So
31:30
Speaker 1: I think it's I don't get it. The twenty eight
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Speaker 1: year old Brittany reneed Bourgess parked tor suv at the
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Speaker 1: rear of a downtown business where there was no shade
31:42
Speaker 1: at all, leaving the four year old talk buckled into
31:45
Speaker 1: a booster seat in the back. Six and a half
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Speaker 1: hours later, she finds Samaria unconscious on the floor of
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Speaker 1: the suv. That child had tried to live and get
32:01
Speaker 1: out of that car. She had climbed out of her
32:03
Speaker 1: booster seat to the front seat. Inside the car's interior,
32:09
Speaker 1: the temperature was upwards of one hundred and twenty degrees.
32:13
Speaker 1: When they measured Samaria's internal temperature, it was a hundred
32:18
Speaker 1: and ten degrees inside her body. And that was after
32:25
Speaker 1: she got to the hospital. What was it while she
32:28
Speaker 1: was still in the car? Vincent Hill a private investigator
32:32
Speaker 1: author a playbook to a murderer. Vincent Hill, you're a
32:35
Speaker 1: former cop in a metropolitan area. How can this not
32:39
Speaker 1: result in jail time? Nancy? I think we're all the
32:42
Speaker 1: futtled by that. I mean, because the law is quite
32:45
Speaker 1: clear and intentional killing resulting from recklessness or negligence, and
32:50
Speaker 1: the fact that she left her four year old in
32:52
Speaker 1: the car meets that criteria. And the fact that that
32:55
Speaker 1: four year old was at least smart enough to get
32:58
Speaker 1: out of that car seat to try to get to
33:00
Speaker 1: the front to get some shade, that tells you what
33:03
Speaker 1: she suffered for for six hours, Nancy. So how this
33:07
Speaker 1: jury came back with this verdict? Take a listen for
33:10
Speaker 1: just one moment to doctor Ernie Ward. He's a veterinarian
33:14
Speaker 1: and he is describing his experience. He sat in a
33:17
Speaker 1: hot car for thirty minutes. Listen to what he endured,
33:21
Speaker 1: and this is as it relates to dogs, to animals,
33:25
Speaker 1: not tiny children. Twenty five minutes. It's now, oh gosh,
33:30
Speaker 1: what is it? One hundred and thirteen degrees. It's it's awful.
33:39
Speaker 1: The only thought that's going through my head right now
33:41
Speaker 1: is I just I went out of the car. You know.
33:43
Speaker 1: It's just everything in my body is saying, get out,
33:47
Speaker 1: get out, get out. I can just feel rivulets of
33:50
Speaker 1: sweat just cleaning down my body. I don't know if
33:52
Speaker 1: you can tell, but I mean, I'm just I'm fully
33:55
Speaker 1: drenched now. I have sweat just completely cascading down my
34:00
Speaker 1: face and nose, my lips. You're helpless. You have no
34:04
Speaker 1: control over what's happening. You don't understand what's happening. You
34:08
Speaker 1: just know that your body is getting so overheated that
34:13
Speaker 1: you can be in real danger. I mean, this kills
34:16
Speaker 1: straight Back to Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge found her a
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Speaker 1: child crime watch on Facebook and Ashley Willcott dot com. Ashley,
34:23
Speaker 1: there's one little detail that I'd like you and Vincent,
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Speaker 1: Susan and lead away in on apparently we're just told
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Speaker 1: police she had forgotten the children in the past. She
34:34
Speaker 1: had forgotten them in the past, this isn't the first time,
34:37
Speaker 1: and she told cops she was upset that day over
34:40
Speaker 1: an upcoming bridal shower. Really, here's why I need to
34:44
Speaker 1: weigh in the father of the children. I can't imagine
34:47
Speaker 1: his heart break at losing this child. But she was
34:50
Speaker 1: a caretaker. You've got to use extracaution in seeking out
34:55
Speaker 1: caregivers and caretakers to watch your children. Good Lord, she's
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Speaker 1: forgotten them before, or she's upset and she forgets children
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Speaker 1: in the car, knowing that she disclosed it's happened before.
35:05
Speaker 1: She should never, never, never have children in her care
35:08
Speaker 1: in her car period. What about Susan Constantine. I was
35:11
Speaker 1: bowled over when I found out she apparently had told
35:14
Speaker 1: cops she had forgotten them before. Yeah, you know that
35:16
Speaker 1: that past behavior predicts future behavior. So to me, that's
35:20
Speaker 1: telling me that she's got an issue with it, that
35:22
Speaker 1: this is just a ticking time boond that's going to happen,
35:25
Speaker 1: And now here's the results of it. We have a deadbeat,
35:27
Speaker 1: you know. I think that if the jury had known
35:30
Speaker 1: about the previous incidents, Vincent Hill, author of playbook To
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Speaker 1: a Murderer, and the details of those incidents, there may
35:37
Speaker 1: have been a different outcome. Yeah, absolutely, Nancy. You know
35:40
Speaker 1: it's one thing to say you had to bring cramp
35:43
Speaker 1: because you can't find your keys, but when you say, oh,
35:45
Speaker 1: I've forgotten my kids in the car before, had that
35:48
Speaker 1: jury heard that, you're absolutely right. I think she would
35:50
Speaker 1: have been convicted of involuntary manslaughter. What do we know
35:54
Speaker 1: about what the jury knew to? Lee Egan regarding the
36:00
Speaker 1: previous instance that she herself detailed A lot of things
36:03
Speaker 1: we're not allowed in the trial, such as there are
36:07
Speaker 1: a lot of accusations about child abuse. The mother had
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Speaker 1: called Department of Family and Children's Services before several times.
36:16
Speaker 1: That was thrown out. I don't believe that the incident
36:19
Speaker 1: about her leaving the children in the car before was
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Speaker 1: allowed in so they were just going based off this
36:24
Speaker 1: incident alone. Okay, Well, let me understand something I did
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Speaker 1: not realize. Are you saying d facts had been called, Yes,
36:31
Speaker 1: Department of Family and Children's Services. What can you tell
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Speaker 1: me about that, Lee, Well, Sarah Fox, that's Samaria's mother.
36:37
Speaker 1: She took up several pictures of Samaria and she did
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Speaker 1: show them to me. And I can't say for shorts abuse,
36:44
Speaker 1: but she had a bruise across her face, she had
36:46
Speaker 1: some bruising on her legs. And then another photo she
36:49
Speaker 1: was covered almost head to feet in what looked like
36:52
Speaker 1: flea bites or bug bites. Now, she took this, all
36:56
Speaker 1: this information to d facts, but there wasn't enough yet
36:59
Speaker 1: to do anything, so it was unfounded. Now, Sarah says
37:03
Speaker 1: she was still in the process of trying to pursue
37:05
Speaker 1: all of this when the baby died. So at that point,
37:09
Speaker 1: since there was nothing sounded, they wouldn't allow it in
37:11
Speaker 1: the courtroom. You know, I heard the father lashing out
37:15
Speaker 1: at the Justice for Samaria web page, the Facebook page,
37:20
Speaker 1: and I've looked at it several times, and it refers
37:24
Speaker 1: to in some of the posts. Quote, there have been
37:26
Speaker 1: many incidents that many do not know about that have
37:28
Speaker 1: led up to this tragic event. I wonder, you know
37:32
Speaker 1: this is your specialty, Ashley Willcott, If that's what they're
37:36
Speaker 1: talking about, the previous calls to de facts that were
37:38
Speaker 1: not allowed in That's what I wonder too, because listen, now,
37:42
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have all kinds of questions. I have
37:45
Speaker 1: all kinds of issues with this particular set of facts.
37:48
Speaker 1: I wonder too, if that's what they're discussing those previous
37:52
Speaker 1: calls to defacts. Is it related to the facts she
37:54
Speaker 1: left the child in the car directly know? Is it
37:56
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence that she has a history of potentially abusing
38:01
Speaker 1: these children, neglecting these children, and specifically leaving a child
38:05
Speaker 1: in a car which isn't neglect Absolutely? Boy, does this
38:08
Speaker 1: case get me? I mean, isn't a life worth more
38:11
Speaker 1: than twenty five dollars? Susan Constantine? Absolutely? I mean that
38:16
Speaker 1: I would rather have been zero than twenty five dollars.
38:18
Speaker 1: The twenty five dollars It's just it's humiliating. I mean
38:23
Speaker 1: that a life was lost and the judge applied to
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Speaker 1: twenty five twenty five dollars fee buying. It's just it's preposterous.
38:31
Speaker 1: No wonder people are protesting the outcome of this trial.
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Speaker 1: Will there ever be justice for Samaria? Nancy Grace Crime
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