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Down to the Studs · Boundary Corner Podcast

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  Music. The And welcome back to the
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  Boundary Corner Podcast along with our partners Brian Siegler,
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  Jonathan Talley and Shelton Moss.
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  I am Curtis Wilson in this episode is brought to you by
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  Doctor Jeremy Counts down at the Main Street Pharmacy in
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  Blacksburg. Your friendly neighborhood
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  pharmacy, 301 S Main St. Blacksburg, Fellas, been a while
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  since all four of us got together.
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  How's everybody? Doing tonight, I'm a little
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  under the weather. I've been fighting a little
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  little scratchy throat, little cold, but I'm, I'm rocking and
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  rolling, man. Let's you, Sheldon.
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  And do a good man. Busy, busy, busy with work.
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  But I really enjoyed the Hokies beat down of UVA last night.
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  A historic beat down no less. So that made the week a lot
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  better. And we'll talk about that a
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  little bit later, Tally. Now you were Brian's sick this
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  week. You were sick last week.
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  What'd you tell? Last week, man, a little bit
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  sick. Got to tell Brian he needs to
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  stay out of the whore houses. That's where you're getting
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  sickness from. Stay out of there.
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  I'm glad that y'all going to talk a little hoops because I
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  renounced basketball all together for about maybe a
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  couple of weeks. Couple weeks, You know, the
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  Lakers don't do nothing. So hey, it's it's it's All Star
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  week. They scoring 200 points in the
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  All Star game. I ain't watching that shit.
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  You know. The Hokies have been what they
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  have. So I'm excited to hear what
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  y'all got to say because I ain't watch shit.
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  You ain't watch it well. No, I ain't watching.
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  OK, well, you're going to find something about what happened
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  last night in in that in a little while here when we talk
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  about who's, but we're going to start off tonight.
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  Me and Brian had the opportunity yesterday and we sat down with
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  the offensive coordinator of the Virginia Tech Hokies, Tyler
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  Bowen. So we're going to start off with
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  the interview there and Brian has a good time.
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  He I think we could have went longer because Kyron mentioned
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  like he's a funny guy. There are a couple of times he
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  pushed that chair back like he was ready to go awards.
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  Yeah man, super bright dude, very sharp.
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  But like you can tell that he's he's ready to roll and has a has
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  a really good personality and can definitely, you know
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  somebody you want to have a beer with and hang out and just pick
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  their brain a little bit. So absolutely we'll we'll fire
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  it up here and we'll talk about a little bit once it's once it's
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  done here. Pick one of podcast listeners.
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  Today we have a very special guest with us.
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  We're introducing Coach Tyler Bowen, your offensive
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  coordinator. Coach Bowen, how are you today?
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  Doing good. How about you guys?
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  Doing good. Thank you for taking the time
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  out of your day to join us. I know, I know it's busy.
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  I know y'all are kind of just wrapping up the the big push
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  with the with the recruiting for 2025.
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  So I appreciate you taking the time and and joining us tonight.
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  That's all good. Appreciate.
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  Appreciate you guys pushing the brand, supporting Virginia Tech.
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  Love the show. I'm glad to be on it.
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  Appreciate you, Coach. And let's let's start there
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  because you know right now I know the big push right now.
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  Offseason phase one. You got winter workouts, hunger
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  drills every Tuesday and Thursday.
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  In what ways are you as quarterback coach and offensive
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  coordinator? How are you evaluating players
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  development during phase one of the offseason?
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  Well, you know, starting out, I love this time of the year,
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  right? We call it phase one for a
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  reason. You can't get to the 4th, 1:00
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  until you accomplish this one, right?
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  So we're we're all about it. We're boots on the ground.
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  I love being back on campus and off the road and on the grass
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  with these guys. So that that part's been fun.
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  But I, you know, I love this time of the year because I think
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  it's a time you strip everything down to the studs and start
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  over. You know it.
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  It you know nothing. You can have experiences from
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  year to year that you can build on and and draw on and things
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  like that, but you're you got to strip it back down to the studs
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  and build it back up and phase one's a great time to do that.
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  So when we're on the field right now from a quarterback
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  perspective, but the whole offense, you know, it's building
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  the entire offense back up and layering it from 100 level up.
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  You know, we talk about it like it's a class, right?
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  We you got to accomplish 100 level before you can move to 200
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  level. So that's been fun.
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  It's also been fun just like you're talking about to be able
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  to you know see some early enrollees get on campus and see
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  them on the grass, see transfers on the grass and then also see
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  the improvements that our rosters made from from last year
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  to now, right what they put in in the month of January.
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  You know, that's been fun. So we're we're looking at all,
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  but I love this time of the year because it's really a time to
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  really build up from the basics and and and start start from
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  there. What?
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  What is that? What is that emphasis that Coach
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  Bry has on competition? What?
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  What can you kind of see from that, from these winter workouts
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  and those hunger drills? Yeah, it's awesome, right.
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  That's a fundamental for our program.
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  You know it's pretty neat, right?
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  Every, every drill is competitive.
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  So it when we're running that agility circuit or whatever
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  we're doing, there's a match up, right.
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  So they all have an individual match up and then there's
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  individual group and and team competitions at the end.
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  So you know put them in a mindset to compete.
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  You know that's that's a big piece of it.
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  You can. It's not just when you hit the
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  grass. You got to have a mindset to win
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  at all times and I think we're able to build that in our hunger
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  drills in in phase one. I absolutely love hearing you
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  talk about like taking it down to the studs every year because
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  you're right. Like what happened last year is
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  last year. We we can't go back and we we
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  can build upon it, but we can't effectively had an eighth win,
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  had a ninth win, We got to start over again.
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  Let me ask you this. We talked to Coach Pride last
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  year and he mentioned how he's always looking to improve,
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  changing when needed. So let me ask you this, as you
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  head in the latter, latter stages of phase one getting into
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  spring ball there, is there anything from year one to year
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  3, even this year or last year to this year that you've changed
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  in preparing for those 15 practices and the spring game
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  itself? Yeah, for sure.
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  I mean I think, I think we're trying to evolve every year,
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  right. I think the the only bad plan is
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  one that can't change. You got to got to be willing to
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  adapt, be willing to evolve. I know you know as soon as the
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  season ends, I start getting the itch.
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  You know you take a couple of days, but you start getting the
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  itch of you know what are best practices.
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  So we we we look at everything to try to evolve our offense.
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  Best practices in college. Best practices in the NFL.
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  And and what I mean by that from a schematic standpoint, you know
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  who's who are the top five teams on 33 to 6.
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  You know we can make a big step there.
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  What what are they doing? Are there any, is there anything
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  common with those five teams? Is there something that we could
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  implement that that fits our identity?
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  Right. Same thing, red zone touch,
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  what, whatever area. So we've been going through that
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  process that'll continue to to go on.
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  We look at that every level of college.
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  Also the NFL, we're just looking for little nuances, best
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  practices, just looking to evolve the scheme every year.
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  I think this is a time of the year where obviously
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  professional development, calling people, you know,
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  getting ideas, I think things like that going to visit people
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  you know, we're starting with that.
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  But then also you know you mentioned that you're looking
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  every year how can we evolve and adapt maybe how we installed
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  last year compared to how we want to install this year,
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  right. What are what are strengths of
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  our personnel that we can kind of foresee what do we want to
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  build around. So we're constantly looking at
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  that and you know how how we can change, how we can make it, you
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  know a better, you know a better learning process for the
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  players, a better install schedule.
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  So we're doing all of those things right now before we roll
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  into spring ball and we actually started implementing some of
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  those in in phase one. Very.
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  Nice. That's awesome to hear.
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  And it's also to hear that it's always a continually evolution,
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  like, you know, there's always that room for improvement, room
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  for growth, right. We're going to pivot a little
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  bit here to talk about something else.
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  You know a lot of the the transfer portal capital was
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  spent on the defensive side of the ball this turn around, but
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  there was a huge ad on the offensive side with Montavious
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  Cunningham on the offensive line.
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  What impressed you the most about him and are you looking
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  for him to kind of slide in at that tackle spot or is he going
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  to move inside the guard, you think?
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  Well, I think, you know, going going back to what attracted us
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  to him, you know, just from a film standpoint and a measurable
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  standpoint, right? He's a guy that's got a ton of
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  experience. Started this past year at
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  tackles, got some guard experience as well, and then
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  he's got length, size and athleticism.
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  And that's what we're constantly trying to improve up front and
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  really at every position, right. We want to we want to have the
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  biggest, longest, most athletic team we can put on the field and
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  that applies in a lot of position, but especially at the
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  offensive line, you know that that that helps you just from
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  the get go. So I think that but then getting
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  them on campus, him and his family like the type of fit he
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  was going to be, the type of aptitude he had, the type of
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  motivation he had to come and to come to a place like Virginia
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  Tech and and compete to earn a job.
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  You know, as far as position right now I think our job and
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  I'm a kind of pivot to offensive line in general.
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  You know, we've got to be in a mindset of making sure we put
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  our best five on the field, right?
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  That that's got to be the starting point to create that
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  starting O line. And really as much as we look
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  about you know, you know we look at it as, OK, this guy's the
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  left tackle, this guy's the right tackle, left guard, right
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  guard, center, so on and so forth.
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  It's really being able to get a ranked number of one through 10,
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  one through 15. Where do these guys fit, you
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  know, as far as their playing ability, right?
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  That's what we're constantly trying to evaluate now phase
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  one, going into phase two, all those things.
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  So I think that the biggest thing with Montavy is there's
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  there's some position flexibility there.
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  You know he'll be able to come in and compete on the interior.
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  He's got some tackle flex to move out, but but I think he
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  provides a a piece in there. You can get in there and and and
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  battle to be in that top five. Yeah, you guys really apprecied
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  that since day one. It felt like yours like get your
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  best five on the field when it comes to the offensive line and
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  y'all have not shot away from that at all in the last three
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  years. So I love to hear that as a
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  continuing this is what we're going to do.
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  We're not trying to go all over the place.
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  Best five will play them. I'm going.
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  To play a piggyback on that, I think, you know, that goes in
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  the way coach, crook, coach those guys.
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  I mean I think we do a really nice job from starting with him
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  you know and cross training those guys.
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  You know we we get you got to you got to start a young player
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  in a position to get them comfortable with the scheme
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  right to like hey this is the play call.
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  I'm moving in this direction. This is my technique.
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  But the techniques really carry over across the board.
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  I'm either a covered player or uncovered player on most plays
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  right. So those techniques start to go
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  then you figure out OK who's got the athleticism when we get out
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  space things like that. So they're developing all those
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  skills. You got to start them, you know,
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  from A1 position spot and then I think Coach Crook does a really
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  nice job of moving those guys around.
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  Yeah, I like that. And you know when when we talk
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  about that like position flexibility is so important and
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  I'm, I love that crook. It has been preaching that has
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  done a good job with that cross training.
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  That's really important to hear. Let's talk a little bit of
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  scheme though. So, you know, you began last
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  season. Yeah, Grant Wells starting at
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  quarterback, but by Week 2 you had a different young man under
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  center. What was your philosophy during
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  that change and in what ways did Kyron skill set create new
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  opportunities for the? Offense.
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  Yeah, I think. I think the first thing right
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  is, is Kyron, you know, true, true triple threat guy, right?
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  He can do it with his legs and do it with his arm.
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  He's got a ton of aptitude to what we were able to put on him
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  from a scheme standpoint and the checks he can make at the line,
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  things like that. That was that was neat to watch
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  him grow into that role on the offense.
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  So I think all of those things lead to it.
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  But when you really think about the turning point is, is getting
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  the run game going right? Any successful offense, you want
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  to be able to run the Russian battle.
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  And I think with this skill set back there, you're able to build
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  on it, right? You're you're you're never
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  outnumbered in the box right now.
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  Now you get extra hat in the box.
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  It's it's not always the answer to have to throw against
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  Outnumbered. Right now you've got the
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  opportunity to truly read a player and put a guy in conflict
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  and him be a real threat with his legs.
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  So I think that opened up a lot of things and then continue as a
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  season, as a season went to be able to build on play action
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  concepts around that to create some explosive passes, move guys
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  around, get them in different spots where the defense can't
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  key on them. But I think it it all started
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  with with him opening that up with his running ability.
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  Absolutely. I want to ask about that because
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  you sit here and you talk about the run game, getting it going
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  to play action. One play that takes me back last
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  year was against Wake Forest, Y'all ran the RPO and that
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  safety just, he just said, oh, we're running the ball and the
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  next thing you know, you had Jay Lane on the little post.
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  When you guys are just looking, you know, breaking down the
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  tape, are y'all looking for tendencies like that, like this
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  guy, when he sees an RPO, he will come to the line quickly.
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  It's who he is as a player. Yeah, I think I think when you
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  talk about and that is you know I think a lot gets made about
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  RPO you know some. So we we got all types of
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  category categories for those. So I'll let you know a lot of
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  what we do, we do some TTO those are triple throw options are
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  really in the triple option realm, right.
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  We got RPO's which hey we want to run the ball first pass it if
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  we get outnumbered right. And then you've got a APRO world
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  where you want to we're throwing the ball you know unless they
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  cover it up. Now we've got run numbers back
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  in the box. So we categorize all those
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  things but but certainly like in an RP world, you know we're all,
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  we're constantly looking how do they want to support that
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  formation from a run standpoint right now And a lot goes into
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  that right defensive call predicates that back alignment,
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  different things formationally how they want to support the
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  run. So that's something we're
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  looking for every week, right. If there's two ways to look at
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  it, right, we could read a got a run or we could read a got a
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  throw that was the situation they were supporting hard to our
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  running back. We we kind of noticed that we
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  got that tag up in the game and Karen was able to go take
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  advantage of it, Did a really nice job reading the play. 100%,
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  I want to talk another keep the subject here with Karen for a
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  minute because we had him on just a couple weeks ago and he
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  talked about the enthusiasm you had getting him to Blacksburg
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  and the relationship you two guys have built from that
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  initial plane trip and lunch down in Waco back over and over
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  a year ago now. But let's talk about how that's
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  developed since you became the quarterback coach.
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  What makes that offensive coordinator and quarterback one
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  relationship so special, both personally and then on the
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  field? Yeah, I mean, I, you know, as as
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  simple as this sounds, it's it's just two guys being on the same
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  page, you know, and I feel that right.
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  Understanding each other's strengths and weaknesses,
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  understanding thought process, hey, you know there's there's
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  little things, right when a play call comes in and it gets signal
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  and he sees that he knows exactly what I'm thinking
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  because of how we've gone about our meeting process that we what
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  that plays in the game plan for. I think there's just more, it's
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  more cohesive from from those standpoints.
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  It's a little bit more natural and I think it's also you know
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  being in the room and and understanding him and what he
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  sees well, what fits his eye, you know these these are things
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  he's going to do really well. These are areas we need to
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  improve on and being able to build on those.
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  It's it's really as simple as that, right?
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  Just two guys getting on the same page and ultimately, you
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  know play caller and player that's going to make a decision
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  on every snap that we go out there on offense being on the
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  same page of of really the why behind what we're doing, not
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  necessarily the what and how. All right.
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  I love hearing that. I love hearing the relationship.
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  But I think what you say there is that in that room because you
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  said it, I give that call. He knows exactly what we talked
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  about in that room and he's going to go out there and do it.
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  Let's go to last year, man, because what a season that was.
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  It was a roller coaster. But in the end, what a great
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  stretch in the last two months. And when you look back on it in
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  retrospect of the 2023 season, what area are you looking to
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  most improve into 2024? Yeah.
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  Well number one you're you're saying all the right things that
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  was last year, right. And that's been the you know
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  that's the that's the biggest message right now right.
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  We you know ultimately when we look at it we we you know season
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  still didn't go as we wanted. We were you know we were we're
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  where we were at the end of the year.
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  You know there were some nice things but that was that was
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  just that it was last year we got a brand new team right now
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  there's some experience we can build off of but ultimately when
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  I look at us right now we're going back right.
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  The first thing you do in the offseason before you start going
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  to study other people, you study yourself right?
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  And we're going through a self scout process and we take
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  everything again. Like I always joke about it like
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  you're like you're tearing the house down to the studs and
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  building it back up. So looking at at really the
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  process at how players make decisions on each play, the
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  techniques that we were coaching, how can we coach this
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  better, how can we make it simpler to install.
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  So we're looking at all that and and what I see, there's just so
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  many areas that we just need to tighten up, right.
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  We're obviously going to evolve from a scheme standpoint.
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  There were some, you know, there's some good plays as the
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  season unfolded. But if we can just tighten
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  everything up, if we can understand a little bit more of
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  the why behind what we're doing, if we can get our hat 6 inches
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  over on an outside run, if we can hit those landmarks, there's
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  a lot more yards and a lot more points to go on the field.
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  And that's and again, I'll tie that right back into the thing
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  we started with. That's a beauty of Phase one,
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  right? It's about those things.
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  It's, it's about the first step. It's about not false stepping.
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  It's about the drive off the ball, the release against
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  outside leverage press, right. Where's my hat on this outside
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  run, right? It's about all those things.
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  And really when you look at it's a simple game.
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  If we can tighten up those 100 level things and then apply them
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  to a 400 level play that we're going to present to the defense,
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  we're going to be much better as an offense.
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  And that's really been the message, right?
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  How can we get better at the basics?
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  We can't get bored with being really good at the basics.
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  First step, hand placement, hat placement, release coverage
• 18:38
  recognition, progression, you know, timing, footwork in the
• 18:41
  pocket, like all those little things are going to lead us
• 18:45
  having more success and we're we're always going to look to
• 18:47
  evolve, right. That's not meaning we're going
• 18:49
  to roll out and it's going to be the the same look that it always
• 18:52
  is. You're going to look to evolve.
• 18:54
  But in the end, no matter what we do schematically, it's going
• 18:57
  to come down to those basic 100 level things getting executed at
• 19:00
  a high level. Yeah, you got to have those
• 19:02
  fundamentals. You got to be able to execute
• 19:04
  consistently. So if if you're not doing those
• 19:06
  things, it's going to be hard to kind of take that that next big
• 19:09
  step and put in some some new wrinkles.
• 19:11
  So I I can appreciate where you're coming from there.
• 19:14
  And I I. Love you talking offensive line
• 19:16
  lingo here because, I mean, this is an offensive line podcast.
• 19:20
  I played online Division Three back in the early 2000s.
• 19:23
  So I, I, I, I love all all of the terminology that they're
• 19:27
  thrown out there. But and I firmly believe this
• 19:30
  offensive lineman make the best offensive coordinators.
• 19:33
  I've always said it. We sure hope so.
• 19:36
  I've I've had I've had a bunch in in in my career and I I I
• 19:40
  definitely will hold firm to that belief.
• 19:43
  But you had a head coach when you were at Maryland, Ralph
• 19:45
  Regent, that you know, we're familiar with this Hokie fans,
• 19:48
  both from, you know, playing in the in the latter years of his
• 19:52
  career in the ACC, but also from all of the those times that he
• 19:55
  shared with Frank Beamer and other stops in his career.
• 20:00
  He was a dynamite play caller and and he played everything in
• 20:03
  college himself, starting at quarterback and then you know,
• 20:05
  finishing his. Career and going closer to the
• 20:07
  ball. Yeah, exactly.
• 20:09
  Yeah, he. Kept moving closer to the ball.
• 20:11
  I don't think he would mind me saying that.
• 20:13
  Yeah, yeah, so. But you know.
• 20:15
  I I I. Love that about him and I just
• 20:17
  wanted to see if you know, what were some of the things from an
• 20:20
  offensive coordinator and play caller perspective that you
• 20:22
  learn from Coach Frieden. Coach Frieden #1, he had a huge
• 20:27
  impact on me #1, getting in the coaching when I was when I was a
• 20:32
  player at Maryland, I was a a tackle, didn't have a very
• 20:36
  illustrious career by any stretch as a player.
• 20:38
  Ended up having a career ending injury in my third year and he's
• 20:43
  the one that kind of taught me in the coaching, you know, and
• 20:45
  and one of the one of the best things he ever did for me was
• 20:49
  early right. I'm starting on the ground floor
• 20:51
  #1. He told me, you know, you know,
• 20:54
  he was, he was very crass and to the point he said, hey, you
• 20:56
  know, you know Tyler, the only the only reason you had a chance
• 20:59
  to travel and even be in this position was because you were
• 21:02
  smart, he said. So I feel, I feel good about
• 21:05
  where you're developing as a as an offensive line coach.
• 21:08
  So what he did is he put me in a very uncomfortable situation.
• 21:11
  He had me sit in the quarterback room for two years and and just
• 21:16
  really expanded my knowledge of the game.
• 21:19
  But what I can always appreciate about him from that standpoint,
• 21:22
  I understand, you know how he coached.
• 21:26
  Is that it? It all starts from the inside
• 21:28
  out. If you want to be good, that
• 21:29
  offensive lines got to be a heartbeat of the team, that
• 21:32
  quarterback being In Sync with decision making and coach
• 21:35
  Frieden was one of those guys. He could sit in an offensive
• 21:38
  meeting room and coach everything from the split of the
• 21:41
  wide receiver to the first step of the left guard to the, you
• 21:44
  know, to the exchange between the center and the quarterback
• 21:46
  to him to the right. I mean, it was just impressive
• 21:49
  what he could do. So I think you know that made a
• 21:52
  that made a huge impression on me is right when you, when you
• 21:55
  get into this like really understanding each position in
• 21:58
  detail, understanding how that all relates to the big picture.
• 22:03
  So he made a huge impression on me from that standpoint.
• 22:06
  Then as a play caller the variety the variety of scheme he
• 22:09
  was able to implement you know in one offense you know when
• 22:12
  when we were in college everything from triple option
• 22:15
  concepts like true veer under center to spread elements to RP
• 22:20
  OS before they were a a buzzword term that everybody likes
• 22:23
  talking about to you know 2 back power out of 22 personnel.
• 22:26
  You know I mean he could he could really coach it all and
• 22:29
  and in great detail. So he, you know, he he did a
• 22:32
  great job of of just helping me expand my knowledge and really
• 22:35
  giving me the itch and and and the fire to to want to be a
• 22:38
  coach. Man, that's awesome.
• 22:41
  Here, I, I, I also find it so interesting that he asked you to
• 22:44
  go to the QV room. Now, first of all, you were
• 22:46
  clearly the tallest guy in that room by miles, right?
• 22:50
  I know this guy when, hey, when I said when I said that, he gave
• 22:53
  me a compliment of smart. That only meant that I knew what
• 22:55
  to do at tackle. And I found out.
• 22:57
  I I found out really quick. Yeah, I didn't know anything
• 23:01
  else. You know he had to.
• 23:02
  He he he broke me down to the studs and built me up again as
• 23:05
  a. Coach I love that.
• 23:07
  But it but it shows a lot that he had that trust in you to say
• 23:11
  I believe you can get in that room in our understanding our
• 23:13
  concepts because that that does say a lot about him having that
• 23:16
  belief in you to go in there, man.
• 23:19
  And let me pivot a little bit because talking about somebody
• 23:22
  who could put together a Dr. who could put together great play
• 23:25
  calls last year. Are there any games or drives
• 23:30
  that stick out to you where you we're going to borrow some from
• 23:35
  JC Price who was on with us a few weeks ago where you felt
• 23:37
  like every time you look down on your sheet called to play you
• 23:41
  rolled A7. Any games like that last year or
• 23:44
  drives? That there were, there were good
• 23:47
  moments. I'm not going to remember them
• 23:48
  all from last year. I'm trying to try to watch, you
• 23:51
  know, I thought, I thought our guys did a excellent job like
• 23:55
  thinking back to the Syracuse game, you know, it just seemed
• 23:57
  like the Russian attack that night the way with the way we
• 24:00
  were attacking, the way the guys were executing, the way the ball
• 24:02
  carriers were running, you know, that was just probably a feeling
• 24:07
  that sticks out. But I think there were, there
• 24:08
  were multiple instances of that. And I think the, you know, the
• 24:11
  big, the big thing is, is this all see, how can we make that
• 24:14
  consistent? You know, how can we become more
• 24:16
  consistent? And it goes back to all those
• 24:18
  little things. Awesome love.
• 24:21
  Hearing that, definitely the Syracuse game run.
• 24:24
  You know what? It's it's stood out on both
• 24:26
  sides of the ball. We we said it.
• 24:27
  We said it all year, man. So last big question here.
• 24:33
  We don't have him on today, but our analytics band, Sheldon
• 24:35
  Moss, he said that one of the biggest predicators of next
• 24:39
  year's outcome is the prior year's outcome.
• 24:42
  I know as you as a coach, we, we we're trying to forget last
• 24:45
  season, right? We're trying to forget all of
• 24:46
  that, right. But and and coaches hate
• 24:49
  thinking about, you know, how we finished in 2023, you know and
• 24:52
  all that. But you know, based on a lot of
• 24:55
  the media outlets, we're looking at a lot of returning production
• 24:58
  on the offensive side of the ball.
• 24:59
  As an offensive coordinator, does that type of continuity
• 25:03
  make your job easier, for lack of a better word?
• 25:07
  I I don't know if I'd say easier, I'd say exciting.
• 25:09
  You know, I think it's exciting anytime you've got you know this
• 25:12
  much returning production and and potential continuity between
• 25:16
  the the guy that's going to be throwing the football and
• 25:18
  handing it off and the guys that are going to be around them.
• 25:20
  I think that's something we're excited to build upon.
• 25:23
  You know it really has you know I I'll say it both ways, right.
• 25:26
  The continuity I think is is important what we're all excited
• 25:30
  about, but it's being able to take the next steps with those
• 25:33
  guys, right, making sure we're doing a good job developing the
• 25:36
  individual player to be able to come and do the the group and be
• 25:39
  a better player to make our offense better, right.
• 25:41
  So we're you know we're full steam ahead on that but but
• 25:44
  certainly the the continuities is is great and I think like the
• 25:49
  the big thing that always sticks in my mind, right, that all adds
• 25:52
  up to potential, right. And it's our job as a coaching
• 25:55
  staff and it's our job as we go into phase one and we go into
• 25:59
  phase two and we and we accomplish these things
• 26:01
  throughout the year. We got to turn that potential
• 26:03
  into production. So right now that that's how I
• 26:06
  look at it, right. There's yeah there's there's a
• 26:08
  there's a ton of potential you can look at it a lot of
• 26:10
  different ways but we got to strip it down to the studs.
• 26:12
  We got to build it back up. We got to build it back up
• 26:14
  better than before and make sure that we go out and produce on
• 26:17
  the field. And I'm, I keep hearing the
• 26:19
  studs thing and I keep thinking like all these guys coming.
• 26:22
  What's my go? To right now it is, man, it's
• 26:24
  great. It's a it's a it's a great thing
• 26:26
  that anyone that's ever built anything understands.
• 26:28
  But I love you keep saying that because for all those guys, the
• 26:32
  conduit of the guys coming back, you can look and say you know
• 26:34
  what you do well let's get that better.
• 26:37
  What don't you do well that's how can we make that better?
• 26:39
  Because if you make that better, the stuff you got going good for
• 26:43
  you already is going to be there.
• 26:45
  And I love you saying that because it it tells me that
• 26:49
  we're not looking to be seven wins again.
• 26:51
  We're looking for better. And I think that's the way the
• 26:53
  staff has looked at since day one.
• 26:55
  All right, easy question to to to round it out here today.
• 26:58
  We appreciate your time, Tyler. We know you're busy, man, but
• 27:03
  what is your food spot in Blacksburg?
• 27:06
  It's one we asked every coach or player that ever comes on with
• 27:09
  us. Food spot I, you know, I got.
• 27:12
  I got two. If I want wings, it's PKS.
• 27:15
  All right, look, I'm a wing guy. Are.
• 27:18
  You a cheetah wing guy? You know what?
• 27:20
  I do like the cheetah wings. I'm not going to lie that that
• 27:23
  what it I learned that. I learned that from cheetah.
• 27:27
  All right. But I do like the cheetah wings.
• 27:28
  I'm a regular medium or hot Buffalo guy though.
• 27:32
  All right. I like a little medium or hot
• 27:33
  Buffalo with some blue cheese. And then if you know if I want a
• 27:37
  an Italian meal I really, I'm, I'm a big fan of Avelino's good
• 27:41
  good spot in town man. They got a great steak a little
• 27:43
  pasta on the side. You know if you're if you're not
• 27:46
  yo-yo diet and carb cutting, which I'm doing right now, you
• 27:49
  know, that's a that's a good spot.
• 27:51
  But you can always go with the steak and veggies.
• 27:53
  There we go. And I I appreciate you bringing
• 27:55
  it up because that's a good one and that's one I I haven't heard
• 27:57
  a coach or player say yet. So you got a new one on the
• 28:00
  board for? It Coach Bowling, we know you're
• 28:03
  busy today as it every day. We appreciate you taking the
• 28:06
  time out of the day to spend with us here at the Boundary
• 28:08
  Corner Podcast. Good luck in this upcoming
• 28:11
  season and in the spring game. We hope to see you there and you
• 28:15
  take care, Sir. We appreciate it, appreciate
• 28:17
  y'all support and I look forward to being on again sometime.
• 28:20
  Awesome. Thank you, Coach.
• 28:21
  Thank you. OK.
• 28:22
  All right. Y'all have a good one.
• 28:24
  So we got to sit there and talk to him and obviously we threw
• 28:27
  some questions off of him, like that Ron Crook thing.
• 28:32
  I came out of nowhere. I was expecting to go to the
• 28:34
  next question. Next thing you know, he's
• 28:36
  talking about crooking what he does and it's like, you know
• 28:38
  what should let the man go. But let's throw it to both of
• 28:41
  y'all. We'll start with Shelton here,
• 28:43
  because John, your name got mentioned from this interview
• 28:46
  and the things he's talking about.
• 28:47
  You know what? What's your feelings on it?
• 28:52
  My feeling is I love it. I think it's first of all it's
• 28:55
  great to have an offensive coordinator that is so willing
• 28:58
  to be you know to do these interviews and and be open with
• 29:01
  with media outlets like us. And it hasn't always been the
• 29:04
  case. But you know, I just, I just
• 29:06
  love hearing him talk about you know, the the complexities in
• 29:09
  the RP OS. You know, just the wrinkles and
• 29:12
  the tags that they put in. Because you know I was talking
• 29:14
  with a coaching friend and he and he mentioned how you know
• 29:16
  with RP OS you've got layers to it.
• 29:18
  You've got different tags. You know just because something
• 29:20
  looks like a simple RPO doesn't mean that it actually is because
• 29:23
  it can go different ways. So just those those types of
• 29:25
  complexities and seeing how you know the the the quarterback
• 29:28
  Kyron drones kind of you know progressed with those throughout
• 29:31
  the course of the season making reeds you know making those
• 29:34
  those decisions for himself. I just I was super impressed
• 29:37
  with how they how they made those little adjustments
• 29:39
  throughout the course of the year and it was great to hear
• 29:41
  him talk about just you know to to kind of validate what we saw
• 29:44
  in terms of the in terms of the progression.
• 29:45
  So I thought it was it was really good.
• 29:47
  I I just, I just love his eye for football really.
• 29:50
  Kelly, what about you, man? What Caught your ears on this
• 29:53
  interview with Coach Bowen? First of all, Sheldon is fucking
• 29:57
  smart. When he talked, I'll be man.
• 30:01
  I'll be tuned in when he be. When he be talking, he'd be
• 30:05
  hitting me with them words. I said, Boy, that boy's smart.
• 30:07
  But couple things. We're going to get into #1.
• 30:12
  We might be Thanos, you know. We might be Thanos.
• 30:17
  Offensive coordinator, head coach, QB, one line coach, wide
• 30:25
  receiver coach. We got to get Marvin, man.
• 30:28
  That's it. We we need the defensive.
• 30:31
  We need the defensive coordinator on this show.
• 30:34
  You know I'm sitting here looking at it like, man, BCP
• 30:38
  them came a long way, man. You know Brian give yourself a
• 30:41
  pat on the back, man. Curtis, give yourself a pat on
• 30:46
  the back. Great interview, guys.
• 30:47
  I'm sorry I couldn't be there, but y'all did a good job.
• 30:51
  Second thing that stood out to me, I got to get Tebow and get
• 30:56
  him around some old black people.
• 30:58
  We ain't eating no blue cheese. He was doing good until he
• 31:03
  mentioned the blue cheese. You got to get ranch, man.
• 31:06
  We got to get you with some ranch, OK?
• 31:09
  Yeah, we got that out of the way.
• 31:10
  We got all that stuff out of the way.
• 31:11
  Out of the way. Even before hearing him talk,
• 31:16
  you know, interview, even before hearing him, you know going to
• 31:19
  what our offense does good and what he does and what he's
• 31:23
  doing. He, you know, talked about
• 31:24
  tearing it down to the studs. What I like about him is his
• 31:27
  ability to recruit because it doesn't matter what you run, it
• 31:30
  doesn't matter how great of a mind you are.
• 31:33
  If you're not getting players in, it don't matter.
• 31:37
  He's winning. Got players in here, He's a
• 31:40
  very, he's a very relatable guy. He's very open and honest, just
• 31:44
  like pry. We've talked to Chris, shout out
• 31:47
  to Chris, he's on here. We talked to Kevin just about
• 31:51
  how he is. You know, with the players, with
• 31:54
  the parents, you know, with the other coaches, that's awesome to
• 31:59
  to have an offensive coordinator that is, you know, a really
• 32:03
  sharp guy like Robbie said, but also a really open guy, kind of
• 32:07
  what Shelton said. You know, open with the media
• 32:08
  and things like that. But one thing, you know, the the
• 32:12
  main thing that stood out is when he talks about, you know,
• 32:15
  building from the outside, from the inside out, you know that
• 32:18
  line inside of that line, you know, the the quarterback, that
• 32:24
  great job, you know what I'm saying?
• 32:26
  His mindset, what he has moving forward, he's not even thinking
• 32:29
  about last year, you know what I'm saying?
• 32:32
  He's washed his hands with. He can't even give y'all.
• 32:34
  No examples at the moment because we're moving forward and
• 32:37
  that's how you got to be because when we had Karen on, he talked
• 32:40
  about it and we'll talk about a little bit more.
• 32:43
  It's a 12 team playoff next year.
• 32:45
  It's not far fetched to get into that playoff for anybody right
• 32:50
  now you know especially you know especially ACC team.
• 32:53
  So great interview man. It was good good to hear him
• 32:56
  talk about the things that that that they're doing moving
• 32:59
  forward. What you thinking about it,
• 33:01
  Curtis? Well, it's to me, it was just
• 33:03
  talking to him how Lucy was and and Sheldon, you made a point
• 33:06
  about, you know, having the, the, the abilities to interview
• 33:09
  the the coaches now and the players without, and there's no
• 33:12
  pushback anymore. But there were a few times on
• 33:14
  there we were getting ready to go to another question and he
• 33:17
  interjected like he interjected like he wanted to give more
• 33:20
  information out there. And you can tell he enjoys what
• 33:24
  he does because talking like the offensive listen, when he
• 33:27
  started that helmet 6 inches outside, I thought Brian was
• 33:30
  going to get all giddy. I thought we were going to be
• 33:32
  able to do an hour long talk about hand placement and kick
• 33:37
  steps. You know you you only you
• 33:38
  wanted. To man I you know we we could we
• 33:40
  could have a conversation for a good while if we're just going
• 33:43
  to talk all of the wine technique.
• 33:45
  But I mean the thing that impressed me and I mean you know
• 33:47
  when I was looking at that kind of retrospective question and
• 33:50
  crafting that about, you know, Coach Frieden, I was like, all
• 33:53
  right. So I I wanted to tie that in
• 33:56
  because I felt that was important with having that
• 33:57
  connection with another coach that had a really close
• 34:01
  connection with with Frank Beamer.
• 34:03
  Obviously between the Citadel, Murray State and just all those
• 34:08
  all those games they played against each other when they
• 34:09
  were in the ACC before Frieden was was out in Maryland.
• 34:13
  And you know having that with the James Franklin connection at
• 34:17
  Maryland and then all of that I just I I felt that was
• 34:20
  important. But kind of what we got out of
• 34:21
  that is, you know, we we've got Tyler Bowen in the quarterback
• 34:26
  room now and that started at Maryland.
• 34:30
  Yeah. And that that's kind of the
• 34:32
  crazy full circle stuff that we're, you know, we're dealing
• 34:35
  with here and that we were able to kind of talk about and hash
• 34:37
  out there. So that was really impressive
• 34:39
  for me. Yeah, and then the RPOTTOPRO.
• 34:44
  Yeah, get it right. It ain't just an RTO every damn
• 34:48
  time. Y'all.
• 34:50
  And you learn that here on the Boundary Corner podcast today,
• 34:52
  there's multiple variations of what they're doing.
• 34:55
  And but again, overall just talking with Tyler again seems
• 35:00
  very genuine. You know, obviously Avellino's I
• 35:05
  I looked up the menu. I mean it's a it's an Italian
• 35:08
  place where they they do steak, they do all sorts of food.
• 35:12
  We might hit it up the next time we are in Blacksburg Boys.
• 35:16
  But again, it was. Great.
• 35:18
  Huh. Spring game.
• 35:20
  Spring game we going to try. Brian's already there.
• 35:22
  He's definitely. I've already booked the hotel.
• 35:24
  Man, we we, we we in. He's in.
• 35:27
  I'm going to try. I'm going to try.
• 35:28
  I hope you try. I know you busy though, because
• 35:31
  they got you traveling from work all over the.
• 35:33
  Place All right. I'm going to try people trying
• 35:35
  to get up in there. People try to find a conference
• 35:37
  in Roanoke that week. Yeah, right here to do my
• 35:39
  training. Right that'd be.
• 35:42
  Hilarious. All right, so again, we again
• 35:45
  appreciate Coach Bowen. Also shout out Travis.
• 35:48
  Well, we had a couple minutes talk with him as we were
• 35:50
  getting. Travis has been, and I, and I've
• 35:53
  said it a couple times, Travis has been such a great help to
• 35:57
  us, getting the players, getting the coaches, working with us at
• 36:01
  all points in time. And it's funny because, you
• 36:03
  know, Brian, we go back 25 years, man.
• 36:06
  We were watching as we were, you know, young teens.
• 36:08
  We were watching Travis Wells talk about sports on Channel 7.
• 36:12
  Oh, yeah, we e-mail him, we talk to him on Zoom occasionally say
• 36:16
  what's up? World's crazy man.
• 36:18
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  So let's roll in and talk a little Hokies hoops and let's
• 37:51
  talk with these lady Hokies 'cause I'm starting to count the
• 37:54
  games here. Y'all that's 123456789.
• 37:59
  It's a 10/10 in a row since the loss of Duke.
• 38:04
  They go into Louisville Sunday afternoon and they beat the
• 38:08
  living hell out of Louisville. They beat them by 16.
• 38:11
  It could have been more. I mean, y'all is it?
• 38:15
  Does it feel like 2023 again? They're getting hot right down
• 38:19
  the stretch. Sheldon, I know you've been
• 38:21
  paying attention, man. What's what's going on with the
• 38:23
  ladies? And I mean, is it, are those
• 38:25
  additions? Is it starting to click?
• 38:29
  I think it is. And funny enough, you know it
• 38:31
  came under similar circumstances last year because you recall
• 38:34
  Tech got blown up by Duke last year and that's when they won I
• 38:37
  think 14 straight to close out the the season before losing the
• 38:40
  Final Four. And then this year they get
• 38:42
  blown up by Duke again and then now they're starting, I think
• 38:44
  they have one eight in a row or nine in a row.
• 38:46
  So kind of funny how that works out.
• 38:48
  But yeah, I think they've, you know, they've really started
• 38:51
  clicking throughout this course of this season.
• 38:52
  Kenny's always been talking about how, you know, it takes
• 38:55
  time for for the incoming transfer players to gel and sort
• 38:59
  of find their roles. And I think now they're starting
• 39:01
  to find their roles. And you know, part of that is
• 39:03
  rotations. Part of that is I think you know
• 39:05
  players knowing where they need to be defensively because Kenny
• 39:08
  Brooks runs, you know sort of a a version of the pack line
• 39:12
  defense where you know it's it's all predicated on help.
• 39:15
  And he said before this team is not the best at individual
• 39:18
  defense. one-on-one defense they would not do very well, but they
• 39:21
  do play very, very good team defense and that only comes
• 39:24
  through, you know, having game experience and knowing where you
• 39:27
  need to be at all times. So I think, I think as they as
• 39:30
  they get more minutes together, as they get more more experience
• 39:33
  and they play together as a team, you know, you're starting
• 39:35
  to see them really sort of come together.
• 39:37
  And I think, you know, Kenny's done just a fantastic job
• 39:40
  coaching these past few seasons. You know he is.
• 39:43
  Even if you just take out how good he is as a recruiter.
• 39:46
  He is, in my opinion, one of the best coaches in in women's
• 39:48
  college basketball for sure. Tally, we know Tally.
• 39:53
  Y'all Couple weeks ago basketball heard him.
• 39:56
  He ain't turned to, he ain't turned to pitch on.
• 39:58
  So Tally it is nine in a row. They're ranked #8 in the
• 40:01
  country. And again, does it feel like
• 40:03
  2023 when when when y'all go starting to kick off?
• 40:06
  You know, I pay attention to the ladies.
• 40:08
  That's real basketball. You know, I pay attention to
• 40:11
  them. I watch my girls, Georgia and
• 40:14
  and and and and Liz. You know, they they they doing
• 40:17
  what we what needs to be done on the court, you know what I'm
• 40:20
  saying? So I'm paying attention to them.
• 40:23
  Kenny, keep doing your thing, ladies.
• 40:25
  Keep showing out. I got a little bit of a bone to
• 40:28
  pick. I don't want to understand how
• 40:30
  we keep on getting put behind North Carolina State.
• 40:34
  When? We done beat that ass a couple
• 40:38
  times. I I know they only lost three
• 40:40
  games. They're a pretty good team.
• 40:41
  They are. But two of them, three losses
• 40:43
  then came to the Hokies. Man, if y'all want to come out
• 40:46
  with these predictions, you know what I'm saying?
• 40:48
  Put us in front of them, that's all I'm saying.
• 40:50
  I watched a little bit of the yeah, yeah, I watched a little
• 40:53
  bit of the of the Duke game towards the end and it's just,
• 40:59
  man, they don't flinch, you know what I'm saying?
• 41:01
  Like when it's time for a big shot, you know, Georgia,
• 41:05
  Georgia's hitting shots and Lee is just, she looks like Dirk out
• 41:09
  there, man. She's hitting that turn around
• 41:12
  off one leg, you know, and you can't block it.
• 41:15
  She looks like Dirk out there. So it's been fun to watch, man.
• 41:18
  And they just, they play their strengths, they play together
• 41:21
  and they have the skill set to, you know, go deep in the
• 41:24
  tournament. So I'll say that about the
• 41:27
  ladies. Kudos to them all.
• 41:28
  Right, Brian. What you got, man?
• 41:30
  Yeah, I'll say this. I think one thing I'm seeing
• 41:33
  maybe compared to last year is that when it's crunch time,
• 41:37
  there's like 0 panic. Like they they are, they are
• 41:40
  cool, they know they got it. They know that they they're in
• 41:43
  control. So when when it does get to
• 41:47
  those points where the game gets a little tighter, there's a run
• 41:49
  from the other side. They're able to kind of quickly
• 41:52
  counter that, stay confident, stay, stay within the game plan,
• 41:59
  you know, never really any sort of panic mode for them.
• 42:02
  So I think that's that's a big thing that I'm seeing from this
• 42:05
  team at this point. And you know, you start getting
• 42:07
  those transfer portal folks that are starting to gel within the
• 42:11
  system. You're seeing it a lot on both
• 42:14
  ends. So offense I think gets gets a
• 42:16
  lot of the the hype there, but I think defense is where it's
• 42:19
  showing up the most. I think defensively they've just
• 42:23
  been a lot tighter, especially in the last several weeks.
• 42:27
  Yeah, me and Brian. Me and Brian talked about that
• 42:29
  the other day, about these ladies, about, you know, Sumel
• 42:32
  and Eck and Wenzel starting to take roles within the team.
• 42:37
  And Shelton, you just said it, Kenny said it earlier.
• 42:39
  We've got a gel and you're starting to see that gelling
• 42:42
  factor. And now it's not all on Liz and
• 42:45
  it's not all on Georgia. You know, Wenzel had eight
• 42:48
  points on Sunday. That's that's huge because we
• 42:52
  know Wenzel is Georgia's backup. And if she can come in and get
• 42:54
  eight points every time and take that pressure off Georgia.
• 42:57
  I mean, me and Brown were just saying, what if they put both of
• 43:01
  them on the court at the same time and you let Georgia run
• 43:03
  around like you want to talk about just making a defense like
• 43:08
  stretch like this between Liz on the post and the way Georgia can
• 43:11
  shoot threes. I'm going to be interested to
• 43:13
  see what goes on down the stretch, but these ladies are
• 43:16
  playing fabulous. Yeah.
• 43:17
  And I think I think another thing to talk about is just the
• 43:21
  number of folks in the rotation. I mean last year was pretty much
• 43:24
  a a six person rotation pretty much for the whole year and like
• 43:28
  you're seeing more of a more of eight this year.
• 43:31
  I think that's going to play play good in in the when we get
• 43:35
  the tournament time because when you have eight you can't just
• 43:38
  get worn down, you can't get beat up and that was really the
• 43:41
  only thing that was beating us last year was just that fatigue
• 43:45
  factor. I think you get 8, you know an 8
• 43:48
  rotation. I think that's going to be a big
• 43:50
  boom when it comes to playoff time.
• 43:52
  Yeah, and they they also have depth at the right spots.
• 43:55
  So they've got, you know, Carly Winslow couldn't come in as a
• 43:58
  backup point guard and they've also got Claire's track at Ford
• 44:00
  who can back up Liz and we'll see.
• 44:02
  You know Claire and Liz play at the same time.
• 44:04
  So, you know, last year I think it was, it was mainly Gazer Greg
• 44:08
  who came off the bench as sort of like a defensive stopper.
• 44:10
  But now you know, you've got, you know, a backup for your for
• 44:14
  your forward and your point guard.
• 44:15
  I mean that's a that's a really big luxury.
• 44:16
  And you know, obviously with with Liz and Claire on at the
• 44:19
  same time, that's just got to be a nightmare for for teams to try
• 44:22
  to rebound and defend against. Absolutely.
• 44:26
  All right, so let's put the ladies, They're up here, They're
• 44:28
  on our pedestal right now. And let's talk about the men's
• 44:31
  team. Shelton foreshadowed this a
• 44:35
  little earlier, and I'm sure everybody's seen the score.
• 44:38
  Hokies win last night, 7541, of the number 21 ranked UVA
• 44:44
  Cavaliers. We'll repeat that again, 75 to
• 44:48
  41. Does anybody, Sheldon, tally
• 44:53
  what's the explanation for this team?
• 44:55
  Because you don't go shell somebody like that and have some
• 44:59
  of the games we've had. I mean they play, yeah, we
• 45:03
  talked about it earlier. They play good to great at home
• 45:05
  and then the away is not not look very good.
• 45:08
  So I I don't think we probably thought that we'd see the
• 45:12
  extreme of that that we saw last night.
• 45:17
  But you know, I'll take it. So what did you see?
• 45:22
  You clearly watched it and or I don't know if you watched it
• 45:24
  live or you called it on, you know, recording.
• 45:27
  What did you. I mean to me, you know a team
• 45:31
  who's our record? You know, I don't give a shit if
• 45:34
  it's your rival or not. You don't beat the shit out of
• 45:36
  somebody like that. Yeah, I mean it was a it was a
• 45:40
  crazy game and they were hanging on all cylinders.
• 45:41
  I thought you know offensively Tech made, they just they always
• 45:44
  made the extra pass and they you know they they hit shots when
• 45:47
  they had open books. And you know, I think I think
• 45:50
  defensively they played very well.
• 45:52
  They they shut down Beekman completely.
• 45:55
  They shut down Jake Groves who is UVA's best 3 point shooter.
• 45:57
  He's hitting like 50% this year which is I think is 6th best in
• 46:01
  the country. He did not have a single
• 46:03
  three-point attempt in this game.
• 46:04
  So they did. They did a fantastic job on them
• 46:06
  and those are really, you know, UVA's two biggest threats
• 46:09
  outside of Isaac Mcneely. But I think, you know, big
• 46:12
  picture UVA to me is a team that's been skating on really,
• 46:16
  really thin ice. They've won a bunch of close
• 46:17
  ball games. All of their losses are by very
• 46:20
  large margins, which is why the metrics the metrics don't like
• 46:23
  them a lot. So to me, I know they've got
• 46:25
  twenty wins and I I know they're a good team, but I just never
• 46:29
  really saw them as a as a real contending team as far as the
• 46:32
  post season goes. So you know, Tech was favored by
• 46:35
  three you know, I thought they would win.
• 46:36
  I did not expect them to win by this much, but I think it's a
• 46:39
  combination of, you know, a team that usually plays well at home
• 46:42
  playing against a team that really always plays poorly on
• 46:44
  the road in UVA. Talit, did you look up the
• 46:49
  stats, did you look up the highlights or they they still on
• 46:52
  there ain't? No need to.
• 46:53
  It ain't no need to. When you beat the shit out of
• 46:55
  somebody 75 to 41, that means you made some shots.
• 47:00
  They didn't make shit, Sheldon. Sheldon, how many threes did did
• 47:06
  UVA hit? One or two, Yeah, probably.
• 47:11
  OK. They probably hit one or two
• 47:13
  threes. That means somebody was running
• 47:15
  them off the line. We probably shot 50 threes.
• 47:19
  I don't know how many threes we shot. 2323 will.
• 47:23
  We hit about 10. We hit about 10888.
• 47:26
  Of 20. Three.
• 47:27
  So the problem is we live. We live and die by the three.
• 47:32
  But a lot of times when you live and by the live and die by the
• 47:35
  three, the defense is out of position getting back trying to
• 47:40
  stop the other team without watching any of this game.
• 47:45
  They just play better defense in this game and they ran UVA off
• 47:48
  the spots. And it comes down to probably,
• 47:51
  you know, playing at home, playing at home and you know
• 47:54
  being comfortable there and a rivalry game is that is exactly
• 47:59
  what it is. No matter what sport it is you
• 48:01
  you just you got to throw the records out of the window and
• 48:04
  you just got to go play ball. Then sometimes when the team
• 48:07
  start to get beat, it's like they give up and probably what
• 48:11
  UVA did is like fuck it the same night because they only hit two
• 48:14
  threes with, you know, as many shooters as they have or how
• 48:18
  good they kind of shoot the three.
• 48:21
  It's probably a rough night for them.
• 48:22
  So they scored 41 points. That high man probably had six
• 48:25
  points. The.
• 48:27
  Second, third high score was six points, so you ain't far off.
• 48:32
  And what's wildlife when you look at the the Hokies box
• 48:35
  score? I mean, nobody really went off.
• 48:38
  It was just a complete dominant effort across the board.
• 48:41
  I mean, probably Nickel had one of his better games overall, but
• 48:45
  I mean, outside of that, no one really went off relative to
• 48:49
  their normal average. It was just everybody was doing
• 48:52
  something. There wasn't really a weak spot
• 48:54
  in the lineup. Well, when you when you got a
• 48:56
  team like Virginia Tech, you you have to have a game like that to
• 49:00
  win. Like that's the way that they
• 49:02
  have to win because they don't have the guy or a guy.
• 49:06
  Now what we talked about earlier is like you have to have
• 49:09
  everybody clicking on our cylinders just to you know I
• 49:12
  would say to to to play at a high level and win a game.
• 49:15
  But again sometimes when the offense is going it, it
• 49:19
  translates to defense so and vice versa.
• 49:22
  So you you, you don't have to have somebody go for 30 points
• 49:26
  or 25 points. If everybody's getting 10 to 14
• 49:29
  or 11 here and you know 8 here and everybody's doing that.
• 49:33
  If you're getting that poured in from everybody then that's
• 49:37
  that's kind of your formula to win and that's it's not a huge
• 49:43
  difference. It is a huge difference when you
• 49:45
  look at it from the sports aspect of somebody being a 20
• 49:49
  win team to A-15 win team. But the skill level and the
• 49:53
  talent is not like super different.
• 49:55
  When you look at the NCAA basketball, men's basketball of
• 49:59
  A-15 win team to a A20 win team, it just came down to somebody
• 50:04
  won some close games and somebody lost some close games.
• 50:07
  So I'm not saying like the, you know, the Hokies are horrible.
• 50:10
  I'm never watching them again. But it's just like this year
• 50:14
  when it was time to go win a game, we just didn't do it.
• 50:18
  We just didn't do it over and over.
• 50:20
  We didn't do the ones we should have won.
• 50:23
  That's that's the frustrating part because I think we look.
• 50:27
  Iowa State's a top 120 ranked team now.
• 50:29
  We beat them. We just smoked to UVA.
• 50:31
  We've had Vermont's always a good smaller school.
• 50:34
  We beat them. It's those little ones.
• 50:37
  It's Miami. It's the Notre Dame's.
• 50:38
  It's those ones where it's like if if this team wins those three
• 50:44
  or four games, 19 and 19 and seven and we're sitting here,
• 50:49
  shell 19 and seven are the Hokies in.
• 50:52
  I mean, depending on how you distribute the wins, I would say
• 50:54
  it's a pretty, pretty solid chance.
• 50:56
  Right. So what was frustrated tally
• 50:59
  more is it's not that we can't beat the good teams, it's you
• 51:03
  see that Miami game and you have the lead and it's just like it's
• 51:06
  a double digit lead and y'all couldn't close the sound the
• 51:08
  last 8 minutes. Are you kidding me?
• 51:11
  All right, sorry here. All right.
• 51:12
  So that's the last time. I'm sorry, I'm.
• 51:15
  I'm getting off of it because it's not.
• 51:17
  Sheldon, I know you got to go, but go ahead and plug it when
• 51:20
  it's going to be coming out and stuff.
• 51:23
  Yeah, so I wish I knew exactly. Within the next two days for
• 51:26
  sure on the on the key play just do a just do a little breakdown
• 51:30
  of the game talk about what the Hookies well did well
• 51:32
  defensively and maybe give some projections for you know going
• 51:36
  forward just what they need to do to to make determine
• 51:38
  obviously it's going to be, it's going to be a tough task.
• 51:39
  I think they're probably going to have to win, you know, win
• 51:41
  out in the regular season essentially.
• 51:43
  But you know, the door's open. I think it's about, you know,
• 51:45
  20% chance last time I checked. So I mean the stranger things
• 51:48
  have happened, but we'll we'll see how it goes.
• 51:49
  I think that's up from the last time we talked.
• 51:51
  I can. Say, I guess that's that's
• 51:53
  progress. We're going to let Sheldon go
• 51:56
  and in the words. Of Louise Christmas.
• 51:57
  You're saying there's a chance, even if it's a small one, And
• 52:01
  there's a chance. All right.
• 52:02
  Here we. Go, Sheldon, get out there.
• 52:03
  Get some rest. Finish.
• 52:04
  That article up. Thanks for joining us with a lot
• 52:06
  of night, man. Yep, thanks guys.
• 52:08
  Appreciate the show. All righty, we got just a few.
• 52:11
  More things to hit here and since the last time we talked,
• 52:16
  we got a couple more crews. Boys, we got a couple more
• 52:19
  crews. So let's talk about them real
• 52:21
  quick here, both from Green Run high School down in the 757
• 52:26
  Virginia Beach and I want to start with Jayden answer Jayden
• 52:30
  Anderson, five 11160 LB. Wide receiver.
• 52:34
  A lot of good offers here. Had looks from Auburn, Florida,
• 52:37
  Georgia, South Carolina, Miami. If you know where Green Run is,
• 52:44
  that's where Brody played. So he was effectively the second
• 52:48
  wide receiver there and Brian Talley, y'all got to kind of
• 52:52
  look at him. Talley, I'm going to let you go
• 52:53
  first because there was something you noticed about some
• 52:56
  of his tape that. He's only a three star in 87,
• 53:02
  right? Now, but there was something you
• 53:03
  saw on the tape that probably kept him down, but I want you to
• 53:06
  mention that first. Yeah.
• 53:07
  So you know, he he's. Kind of a a gadget player right
• 53:10
  now from what I've seen. He's playing wide receiver.
• 53:13
  He had a, you know, some, I don't know exactly what his
• 53:16
  stats was, but had some good production now.
• 53:19
  But he also was playing quarterback, you know what I'm
• 53:22
  saying? So if you're evaluating him,
• 53:23
  it's kind of when you're playing multiple positions, sometimes
• 53:26
  it's harder to get that true evaluation of where you are
• 53:30
  compared to the other people playing that position.
• 53:32
  So he was doing some Wildcat quarterback, but he's electric
• 53:36
  with the ball in his hands. He's fast, you know he he's a,
• 53:40
  he's a not a very big guy, but he's he runs bigger than what he
• 53:45
  is like he's not scared to deliver a blow.
• 53:48
  So he he, he was watching a little bit of his film, got to
• 53:52
  be excited like you can't miss on kids like that.
• 53:55
  So again Chris put it in the Chris put it in the chat right
• 53:59
  now. He said he played quarterback in
• 54:00
  the playoffs. You know what I'm saying?
• 54:02
  It's like he, he he wants the ball in his hand.
• 54:04
  So when you have kids like that that are interested in coming to
• 54:10
  help build, you don't let them go.
• 54:13
  Because a kid like that was the kid who in the past we would
• 54:18
  overlook and he'd go to Wake Forest or North Carolina and
• 54:23
  we've seen him for four years or three years and he'd absolutely
• 54:26
  murder us every time we played. So do not let them leave.
• 54:32
  You know what I'm saying? If they're won't me in, you let
• 54:34
  them in. So I'm I'm I'm really glad to to
• 54:37
  start the class off with you know some some positive traction
• 54:41
  and again like you said Curtis looking at his offer list
• 54:45
  because I look at, I mean none of that stuff means anything to
• 54:48
  you. Get on there and produce.
• 54:49
  You know they still got a hold of the year, senior year to go
• 54:52
  in. But if you look at offers, man,
• 54:55
  like the kid has got offers, he's he's like, like you said,
• 54:59
  Auburn's there. He's got a couple of more people
• 55:01
  who are big time offers that was looking at him.
• 55:03
  So I'm glad we went on to snatch them up 100%, Brian, What'd you
• 55:07
  see from the table Would? You like?
• 55:09
  Yeah, I mean to piggyback off telly.
• 55:11
  There, I mean talking about his versatility, but also this is
• 55:14
  going to be probably a year where he's going to get a lot
• 55:16
  more opportunity at that wide receiver spot.
• 55:18
  That might bump his rankings up as he kind of progresses through
• 55:22
  that. But yeah, the thing I see is let
• 55:25
  me let me throw something out before you.
• 55:27
  Finish. Yeah, because we hit on it a
• 55:29
  little bit. But I'm looking at just his
• 55:31
  offers right now per 247. So if they wrong, y'all jump on
• 55:36
  their ass, not mine. They say Auburn offer, Boston
• 55:41
  College, Duke, Florida, Georgia, Liberty, Marshall, Miami, Old
• 55:49
  Dominion, South Carolina, West Virginia Temple.
• 55:52
  It's a good list. It's it's offer list.
• 55:55
  It's his good list. Now I'm going to say it 1.
• 55:59
  Time Y'all don't. Even have to say nothing.
• 56:01
  We can let Brian finish talking. What if he chose George?
• 56:05
  What if he chose Georgia? Go ahead, go ahead.
• 56:10
  That's all I'm going to say. Tally's fallen by the bump
• 56:12
  there. A little bump.
• 56:13
  That would happen A big bump, a little bump 939390. 3. 6.2 easy.
• 56:20
  Yeah, yeah. And and tally's right.
• 56:22
  Right about that and looking at him, I I like your skill set.
• 56:26
  He's got really good speed. I think he's a guy that could
• 56:31
  come in as kind. Of a tweener he could.
• 56:33
  He could be a slot guy. He could be kind of an outside
• 56:36
  #2. I think with with with his body
• 56:40
  and his frame, I think especially if he he's able to
• 56:42
  put on a little more weight, I think that's something that he'd
• 56:44
  be capable of doing. But that speed, I mean you can't
• 56:48
  coach speed. I mean you you can get a little
• 56:50
  better, but if you're fast, you're going to be fast and
• 56:54
  falling it here, you're going to be a four-star.
• 56:56
  Yeah, I mean, we we we talked about it off.
• 56:58
  Camera. We said, you know, it's it's
• 56:59
  he's going to be a four-star by. By the time it's all said and
• 57:02
  done that's been our, that's been our inclination as soon as
• 57:05
  he was on our radar, so you know Chris backing it up that's
• 57:09
  that's big time if anybody. Yeah, if.
• 57:12
  Anybody doesn't know who, Chris? Is his son is Brody Adams and he
• 57:16
  played at Green Run. So he's watched these kids for
• 57:20
  years probably. You know, I talk to Chris all
• 57:23
  the time and you know, he's giving me some knowledge on kind
• 57:26
  of you know, what these kids can do and and and what kind of
• 57:29
  young men they are and their skill set that we haven't even
• 57:32
  seen. So he knows what he's talking
• 57:35
  about as far as watching them go ahead, Curtis.
• 57:38
  All I was going to say is they got a couple.
• 57:39
  Things clocked here for him like and you talked about y'all saw
• 57:43
  him doing a lot of different things last year. 48 passes for
• 57:46
  over 1200 yards. Brian, do the math on that for
• 57:49
  me real quick. That is an ungodly yards per
• 57:54
  catch. 50 total T DS300 on the ground. 18 total T DS running
• 58:00
  and passing. What's that?
• 58:01
  What's that? Yards per catch that got to be
• 58:03
  over 20. Oh, you got you.
• 58:05
  Get me to do math. Well, I told you do.
• 58:09
  That I'm gonna let you handle it, 1200.
• 58:11
  Yards. You said 48 catches. 48 catches
• 58:14
  almost. 13125 A. Catch 25 A Catch.
• 58:19
  I. Don't care if that.
• 58:20
  If that's green run, that's 5A that's up there.
• 58:23
  He ain't playing the little boys you know in Bob Warner that
• 58:30
  means either. Every time he catches the ball,
• 58:32
  he is making moves. What Y'all have already said
• 58:35
  y'all saw on the tape. He's electric with the ball,
• 58:37
  he's electric. That says A.
• 58:39
  Lot I I think Chris is right. I think you know it is maybe he
• 58:43
  gets a bump eventually for us. Yeah, I mean, you know, we talk
• 58:47
  about. Guys being fast and we talk
• 58:48
  about guys being quick. He's a little bit of both,
• 58:50
  right? Yeah, he's got, he's got area
• 58:53
  quickness, but he also has top end speed.
• 58:55
  All righty, let's talk about the.
• 58:57
  Other gentleman that committed from Green Run to Virginia Tech
• 59:02
  mileage. Harold a 510 and a half 165 LB.
• 59:05
  Quarterback. An 86 rated guy top 25 in the
• 59:09
  state of Virginia. No composite yet or like look at
• 59:12
  the composite but 247 puts him in an 86.
• 59:15
  Brian, real quick, what you see on tape from knowledge, Yeah, I
• 59:20
  mean, I, I. Like this player, man.
• 59:21
  He's I think he's going to be kind of a big time player for us
• 59:24
  when he gets there, really good skills good in coverage.
• 59:31
  I'm not not afraid to to get in there and throw a lick.
• 59:34
  So I mean it's the type of guy that we are have been kind of
• 59:37
  bringing in. There's that kind of cheetah
• 59:39
  brand where you know got got that dog where you want to get
• 59:43
  out there play that man coverage as much as you can but also not
• 59:47
  not afraid to put a little lick on you when you need to Nice.
• 59:51
  What about you, Tyler? Just see you and talk with
• 59:52
  Chris. Yeah, first of all, first of
• 59:55
  all, badass. Name Shout out to his family?
• 59:58
  Yeah. Badass.
• 59:58
  Name. I didn't even know how to
• 59:59
  pronounce it. Chris had to tell me.
• 1:00:02
  Badass name and his name kind of for me suits what he does like
• 1:00:06
  he his knowledge of the game seems to be a little bit of
• 1:00:09
  ahead of his time. I I seen him, you know just
• 1:00:15
  sideline interceptions able to toe tap.
• 1:00:18
  You know stuff from the back of the end zone.
• 1:00:20
  You know, you know, knowing where he's at on the field.
• 1:00:24
  You know, knowing when when the quarterback starts to scramble,
• 1:00:27
  knowing to get to certain positions and certain spots.
• 1:00:29
  So it's kind of playing all over that, all over that secondary
• 1:00:33
  and his knowledge of the game is what kind of, what kind of got
• 1:00:37
  me. He's a smaller kid.
• 1:00:38
  Again, smaller kid, but I don't want to compare him to.
• 1:00:43
  Anybody yet but. If I kind of looked at what he
• 1:00:46
  does and what he's looking like, he kind of reminds me of, like
• 1:00:49
  Monsoor when we first seen him, you know what I'm saying?
• 1:00:52
  Like when we first seen him and we didn't know exactly what he
• 1:00:57
  was going to get the Tekken done, but get the Tekken do, He
• 1:01:00
  kind of reminds me of that on the tape, so makes a lot of
• 1:01:04
  sense. So again.
• 1:01:05
  Four in the class so far. Real quick on knowledge.
• 1:01:08
  three-year starter. So basically started every year
• 1:01:12
  he was in the house, which is unbelievable and it's great
• 1:01:16
  because you think about, you know, the quarterback last last
• 1:01:19
  year and then the the closest possible you could get to the
• 1:01:24
  university and then down to a ground that has done so well for
• 1:01:29
  Virginia Tech all these years, down the 75 and building that
• 1:01:32
  pipeline back up and love to see it.
• 1:01:34
  All right. Just a few more things we want
• 1:01:36
  to hit before we close it out here tonight.
• 1:01:39
  BC got a coach and y'all explain to me and I know he's not the
• 1:01:44
  best coach. How did BC get a Bill O'Brien
• 1:01:48
  type coach this late in the process?
• 1:01:51
  Anybody, anybody got a reason behind that cause?
• 1:01:54
  Probably cause Alabama fans talked about him so.
• 1:01:56
  Bad he couldn't get no more jobs.
• 1:01:57
  It don't matter. They hated.
• 1:02:00
  Him. He.
• 1:02:01
  They. I don't know why I.
• 1:02:03
  Didn't pay attention to him enough.
• 1:02:04
  But they fucking hated him. They everything that went wrong,
• 1:02:08
  they put it on him. They did.
• 1:02:10
  They did. Oh, so.
• 1:02:12
  Maybe. You know, maybe we just took
• 1:02:14
  Alabama's great word for it. You know, I don't know if y'all
• 1:02:18
  checked out Willie on TikTok. He had some great tick tocks.
• 1:02:22
  He may have said O'Brien didn't need a job and nobody picked him
• 1:02:25
  up. He went to BC Well, he went at
• 1:02:29
  Ohio State. He was there.
• 1:02:30
  OC OK, well, I'm wrong. What you think Brian?
• 1:02:34
  How if if this was? Us we'd end up with.
• 1:02:38
  I mean, so I mean it's it's it's kind.
• 1:02:40
  Of been a weird trajectory for him because, I mean he.
• 1:02:43
  Was. You know, OC quarterback coach
• 1:02:46
  to Alabama, you know, worked with the Patriots last year, got
• 1:02:51
  picked up by Ohio State and then said, all right well, B, CS open
• 1:02:55
  now. So what's going over here?
• 1:02:57
  Let's let's kick it on over. I mean you know the Boston
• 1:03:00
  College and you just the Boston connection in general can't be
• 1:03:03
  understated. I mean, I feel like that's, you
• 1:03:05
  know, that that's something that it seems like an area that he,
• 1:03:09
  he enjoys being in. That's probably some of the
• 1:03:13
  allure of of grabbing a guy like him at this potential cycle.
• 1:03:17
  And this might be, you know, kind of the last ditch effort of
• 1:03:19
  him getting a head coaching job. With.
• 1:03:23
  The resume he has right so that he turned programs around,
• 1:03:28
  though. He kept Penn State above He, he,
• 1:03:30
  he, he. He made sure that Penn State.
• 1:03:32
  Didn't completely die. Yeah.
• 1:03:35
  So you know, they may have went. To him with that, Well, we're in
• 1:03:38
  a position. We need a, we need a
• 1:03:40
  resurrection. I don't know.
• 1:03:42
  You don't know what's said on these behind closed doors.
• 1:03:45
  Yeah, I mean, he just like Slam. Chowder he had.
• 1:03:48
  He had two years. Of Penn State.
• 1:03:50
  You know, right after everything.
• 1:03:51
  Happened, happened there. So and then he went to the
• 1:03:55
  Texans. So, I mean he did a good job of
• 1:03:57
  keeping Penn State. You know, they didn't fall off.
• 1:04:01
  They weren't what they were before, but they also weren't as
• 1:04:05
  bad as they probably could have or should have been in that
• 1:04:08
  stretch. So he's the guy that's going to
• 1:04:11
  kind of maximize that roster, I feel like.
• 1:04:14
  But I don't know if he's going to necessarily you know raise
• 1:04:18
  the the ceiling. They ain't.
• 1:04:20
  They ain't. They ain't getting back where
• 1:04:21
  they were 20 years. Ago no were happening again
• 1:04:25
  I'll. Be I think he's the guy.
• 1:04:25
  That can get them in probably. Year two or three can make them
• 1:04:29
  a consistent bowl team every year.
• 1:04:33
  And you know, I think he's got some work to do this offseason
• 1:04:36
  with with some of the guys that they lost and things like that.
• 1:04:39
  So I don't think year one's going to be great, but year two
• 1:04:41
  or three might might look, you know, at least kind of what
• 1:04:44
  we've expected from them when they've had some decent seasons
• 1:04:47
  in the last decade where they're like a, you know, 6-7, maybe 8
• 1:04:50
  at the best win team 100%. All right, let's close it out
• 1:04:54
  with this. Boys, because as of today it
• 1:04:56
  became official official official even though it's been
• 1:04:59
  kind of official official official for a long time and
• 1:05:02
  that is college football playoffs.
• 1:05:04
  Definitely set for 2024 with the 12 teams.
• 1:05:07
  And here's all the fun parts they because they had a changes
• 1:05:10
  with the PAC 12 in purgatory right now because basically
• 1:05:13
  dead. Well, I love.
• 1:05:15
  I sent it to text to. Them today.
• 1:05:17
  And Shelton's like, what the hell do you mean?
• 1:05:20
  This is wrong? And I'm like, or remember PAC
• 1:05:22
  12? He's like, yeah, that's right,
• 1:05:23
  they're in purgatory. Football's dead.
• 1:05:25
  Basketball and the other sports are still alive until June and
• 1:05:27
  then they're all going back. So but 5.
• 1:05:31
  Automatic. Bids.
• 1:05:32
  So that's basically, I mean as it looks now, the four big ones
• 1:05:37
  plus 1P5, excuse me, one G5 school will get it.
• 1:05:42
  The top four conference champions get an automatic bid
• 1:05:44
  down into New Year's Eve, New Year's Day.
• 1:05:47
  Bold, which is great. Seven at larges.
• 1:05:50
  Get get everything ready and write the dates down because you
• 1:05:53
  got to be ready December 20, December. 21st, the four.
• 1:05:57
  Playing games five through twelves at the five through
• 1:06:00
  eights home field, Which I I think that's something for years
• 1:06:04
  as college football fans like you want to see like some of the
• 1:06:06
  best teams against each other on their home field not at a
• 1:06:11
  neutral site. I wish it was maybe further in
• 1:06:14
  the playoffs like it. But bowls are still big.
• 1:06:19
  We. Said it before New Year's Eve
• 1:06:21
  New. Year's Day matters again.
• 1:06:22
  Y'all Fiesta Bowl. New Year's Eve night.
• 1:06:26
  Then the the. Peach, the Rose and the sugar.
• 1:06:29
  I know Tally is just when we win this conference, Tally is going
• 1:06:33
  to be the first person to book a hotel in Atlanta.
• 1:06:37
  I'm going tickets because it's it's just up the road from him.
• 1:06:41
  I'm being there, man. We get to a.
• 1:06:42
  Major bowl game. I don't know how.
• 1:06:45
  I don't know where. I don't know why I'm going.
• 1:06:49
  That's right. I'm going to put a GoFundMe up.
• 1:06:53
  And I'm going to get wherever we got to go.
• 1:06:55
  And I don't like to fly. So I might have to borrow
• 1:06:58
  Brian's truck and and and take out, I don't know.
• 1:07:02
  But I'm going, we're going to get there.
• 1:07:04
  We're going to get there. So there's your new.
• 1:07:06
  Year's Eve, New Year's Day. Then just a few weeks later, the
• 1:07:09
  semi finals on a Thursday and Friday night, Also in bowls this
• 1:07:12
  year, the Cotton and the Orange. I love that they moved over
• 1:07:16
  Thursday, Friday because it's going to be all lives in January
• 1:07:18
  on Thursday night and January on Friday night with the football
• 1:07:22
  world sitting there. And then finally the finals on
• 1:07:24
  the 20th. I'm not sure where it is this
• 1:07:26
  year. Don't care, you know, But it's
• 1:07:30
  so it's out there now. And Callie, you, you said it
• 1:07:33
  earlier, 12's a game changer because you can stumble.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah, it makes. It makes the IT makes the games
• 1:07:43
  a little bit more, more. Real every week.
• 1:07:47
  Now you know what? I'm saying like every game's
• 1:07:49
  important now. They always have been kind of
• 1:07:52
  important, but every game's important.
• 1:07:53
  Like you know, you may you may stumble early in the season.
• 1:08:00
  You may be a you know. 2 lost team that.
• 1:08:02
  Could still get in, you know you just got to keep playing you got
• 1:08:06
  to keep got to keep chopping wood so and there's an emphasis
• 1:08:11
  across the board so. There's two things that are
• 1:08:13
  being emphasized with this that haven't been emphasized with the
• 1:08:16
  playoff as it has been since it's been put in place.
• 1:08:20
  That's one thing. Winning your conference matters
• 1:08:24
  big, yeah. Yep, that's the big thing.
• 1:08:27
  I know Florida State. Probably mad as hell right now.
• 1:08:32
  Yep. Undefeated, undefeated winning
• 1:08:35
  conference. Still don't get in?
• 1:08:37
  Yep. And the second thing that
• 1:08:38
  matters is. You know, you talked about the
• 1:08:42
  stumbling early. You can stumble.
• 1:08:45
  Early and still win it. Yeah, so right you you could.
• 1:08:49
  Be a three. Or 4 lost team, but if you.
• 1:08:51
  Run that table and you get to that conference championship.
• 1:08:53
  You keep winning. You're in, You lose.
• 1:08:56
  Your You lose your out of conference games.
• 1:08:58
  And win the conference games. It is what it is.
• 1:09:02
  You get in. And this is where I think we all
• 1:09:05
  three disagree with. Where we hear media people talk,
• 1:09:08
  it's going to lessen the games. I'm like, are you kidding?
• 1:09:10
  There's going to be two and there's going to be 1-2 and
• 1:09:13
  three lost teams going into November.
• 1:09:15
  Just it's going to be what we just said, just win.
• 1:09:17
  If we just keep winning games, we're going to make it.
• 1:09:21
  They talk about things being lessened and.
• 1:09:23
  Things like that, but it's pretty much exactly what we
• 1:09:26
  always know. Injuries matter.
• 1:09:28
  So if y'all say injuries matter, it depends who gets hot and
• 1:09:32
  who's the healthiest team, You know what I'm saying?
• 1:09:35
  At the beginning of the season, this team may have been the best
• 1:09:37
  team, but who is healthy late in the season?
• 1:09:40
  Who You know who got hot at the end of the season and who, what
• 1:09:45
  we're going? Yeah, and the same thing that
• 1:09:47
  they were bitching about leaving.
• 1:09:48
  Florida State out are the same reasons that teams are going to
• 1:09:51
  have a chance in the new system, right?
• 1:09:53
  So exactly. You don't have to be have an
• 1:09:56
  unblemished record and win your conference to have a shot here
• 1:10:00
  You go from maybe six or seven teams feeling good about their
• 1:10:04
  chances heading into November to 20 teams feeling good about
• 1:10:09
  their chances heading into November.
• 1:10:11
  That's going to create a lot more buzz, a lot more eyes
• 1:10:14
  because you have that is spread across a larger swath of fan
• 1:10:19
  bases, a larger swath of markets like all of that is going to
• 1:10:23
  play into this. A lot of stuff.
• 1:10:26
  A lot of stuff goes into it like.
• 1:10:28
  You said when you talk about the markets, you know what I'm
• 1:10:30
  saying? Now you got some kids that's
• 1:10:31
  thinking about or maybe I don't have to go to these four schools
• 1:10:35
  to get say you know get to the playoffs maybe I can stay home
• 1:10:39
  and my team has a legit chance for me to play on the biggest
• 1:10:44
  stage. You know, we don't know.
• 1:10:46
  I I I'm excited about it though and I think it's going I think
• 1:10:50
  that along with nil kind of levels the playing field even
• 1:10:54
  though it's the wild, Wild West a little bit it is they're
• 1:10:56
  probably going to do some stuff to change that a little.
• 1:10:58
  But man I think it kind of levels the playing field a
• 1:11:00
  little bit. Yeah.
• 1:11:02
  It it, it's no longer I like what?
• 1:11:03
  Brian said there it's no longer six or seven schools.
• 1:11:06
  It's like 20. It's like 20 and it and as every
• 1:11:09
  year those that 15 to 20 could change because every year
• 1:11:13
  somebody who just gets hot at the right time has the right
• 1:11:16
  quarterback or has you know the right offensive line and they
• 1:11:19
  can just pave the way. They have a shot now and for all
• 1:11:24
  these years it was you got to be the blue blood.
• 1:11:26
  You got to be the blue blood to consistently be there and and
• 1:11:29
  it's no longer going to be that way.
• 1:11:31
  And I like what you say Tally about it's going to be easier to
• 1:11:34
  recruit to this because you and Kyron said it and I love to hear
• 1:11:37
  Kyron say it. You make that stage all eyes on
• 1:11:41
  you. Everybody's on you.
• 1:11:43
  And and to me and people say well you got to perform like you
• 1:11:46
  keep making it. People going to start noticing,
• 1:11:49
  you know what, they're here every years.
• 1:11:52
  What can they do? For me, all right.
• 1:11:55
  So fellas, that is going to wrap up this episode of the Boundary
• 1:11:58
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