Latest / Discomfort Required / From Tactical Games Newb, To Heading To Nationals | Jamie Oliva On Taking Her Life Back
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- Trent: what's up, guys? Welcome to Discomfort Required. I have my friend Jamie Oliva on today. she's got a really cool story. Some might think it's cool. Some is gonna realize that, like, hey, it was just really fucking hard. And getting through hard stuff is, you know, that's the name of the game. so Jamie, how are you today? Jamie Oliva: I'm good. I am excited to be here. I feel very thankful. I'm a little nervous and I can't believe people want to hear me talk, but here we are. Trent: Yeah. Don't be nervous. It's just we're we're just hanging out, having a conversation. It's gonna be it's gonna be really, really awesome. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. It's a yeah. Yeah. Trent: so let's let's talk a little bit about you. So Jamie, what do you do for work? Jamie Oliva: I am a nurse. my background in nursing is primarily emergency medicine and level one and two trauma centers. And then then after that I went into like a normal person, ICU to see more people die, 'cause that's normal progression, right? and Trent: It right. Jamie Oliva: and then after that I I'm just a natural born leader, so I had always had career goals to be in leadership. So I changed my career to nursing supervisor and I did that for the last year. and then my other passion is also education, which I think goes hand in hand in leadership as well. So now I'm in the educator space and I've been doing that since June. So Trent: Hell yeah. I love that. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: like helping people is awesome. So I wanted to be a firefighter for about that much time because like I can't deal with blood and guts. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: It's like the it's like the thing. I'm just like, well, I just can't do that. And that really sucks because I want to be helpful, but I wouldn't be very helpful Jamie Oliva: There, that's okay. Yeah, I'm Trent: because I'd be really bad at that. but I'm glad there's people like you that wanted that want to deal with it for sure. Jamie Oliva: No worries. Some people got it and some people Yeah. You're right. I don't mind it at all. Trent: see and like the y you gotta be built different to do that shit. I swear. Cause like some people can Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: see it and like not be bothered by it. And then I Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: see it and I'm like, well, I'm either gonna pass out or throw up. There's those are the two options. Jamie Oliva: Right. Huh. Yeah. Yep. Trent: Nail nailed it. Jamie, what does discomfort require mean to you? Jamie Oliva: man, I I feel like this is like my life motto. so when I saw your podcast at first, I was like, I think it means to me personally that in order to grow you have to sit in discomfort. and I I think stagnancy is a form of death, honestly, and so I'm always like wanting to search out discomfort. in order to grow. And so I think tough times build tougher people and that's what diff's comfort required means to me, I guess. Trent: that's an excellent answer. I agree one hundred percent. we asked this, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: we asked this with everybody. And I love hearing everybody's take on it because it's essentially Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: the same, but it's it's always cool to to see what people think and like how their brain processes getting to the same Jamie Oliva: Right. Yeah. Trent: kind of kind of conclusion, right? 'cause like Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: I really think that you cannot grow. unless you get uncomfortable. If you if you kinda just live in your comfort zone, you're not really gonna get much out of life. Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: like being mediocre sounds awful, honestly. Like absolutely terrible. Jamie Oliva: I it's makes me wanna throw up, honestly. Yeah. Yeah. I it's a form Trent: Guts make me want to throw up, mediocrity makes you want to throw up. Jamie Oliva: of death to me, honestly. Me and my friends have this term that sit in the shit bucket. And it's okay to sit in the shit bucket temporarily, but it's in how you Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: get out of that shit bucket and how you deal with hardships and discomfort that truly makes or breaks you. So Trent: Fuck yeah. I am gonna adopt that a little bit. Sitting in shit buckets. Here we go. I love it. Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: let's dive into like a little bit about you before we get into the whole backstory and everything. what does fitness look like for you for the past couple years? Jamie Oliva: Yeah, so I found CrossFit end of two thousand twelve through one of my best friends who started a gym out for like near a military base out in like South Carolina. She was stationed there and she's like, you gotta try this, this is cool and I was on a fitness journey. I had tried P90X, if you remember those days. Yeah. Trent: Yeah. yeah. Jamie Oliva: And did that and I was like, Okay, this is cool, like this is hard, I like it, I like the push, but I wanna be stronger, like it's bands and stuff like that. And so Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: then I found like kickboxing and I was like, like this cool, but I need a I need something bigger and then she kept telling me about this and there was no CrossFit gyms. I mean early twenty thirteen, like CrossFits weren't a huge thing back then. And one popped one ended up popping up in my like I think it was one city over, a couple months later. And so I joined. Like I was the first member, signed the first check. I all I did was like do a couple of box jumps and like power cleans with a barbell and I was like, I'm in. And yeah, thirteen years later I have never stopped. I mean, I've def it's looked different. I've had kids and surgeries and hardships and things, but yeah, I've never taken like a time away from CrossFit. and like growing up, I think like f fitness and sports were just I I went to a private school and so I like was in soccer. It was it was very like the basic sports, right? Like so it was like soccer, volleyball, basketball. and then I found my crew in softball and stuff like that. And then As a teenager, I remember my dad was into softball and then weight lifting. And my dad's my hero. And so naturally I was just like, Well, I wanna do that. Like, I wanna be with my dad. I wanna be cool. so I remember like as a teenager going to the YMCA and everyone's like bodybuilding, you know, with the pulley system, and I'm just like, eer, you know, like it's my little baby weights like Trent: Hell yeah. I love that. That's so good. Jamie Oliva: odd. I don't know what to do with my hands, but I'm gonna try. So, kinda always been on that like trajectory of health and fitness, but didn't find my niche until like two thousand thirteen. So Trent: what is one thing that you loved about it? Like what and make you stick with it? Was it the community? Was it how hard it is? What was that? Jamie Oliva: so the community takes a bit, right? if anyone's done any type of, you know, fitness group classes. so at first it was how uncomfortable it was and how much I saw that I needed it and how much I could gain from it and how weak I was. And that was like the drive to do better. it was definitely uncomfortable. I have pictures that Do don't wanna see a video of me trying to do power clean? yeah, I'll I'll share. I don't care. but you know, Trent: we want to see them. Yes, we do. For sure. Yes. Jamie Oliva: just yeah, just it was uncomfortable and I seek out opportunity to like get better in every situation. So it was like I've never done anything like this. And I was twenty six, so I wasn't like, you know, in my teens or whatever, and I had j I actually just had my son I think na about a year prior. Actually it was a year prior. so I was kinda still like postpartum me, you know, a little bit and I was just like, I don't know what I'm doing, but I love this. Like I love the push and the drive. So I was hooked. Yeah. Trent: That's super dope. I love that. I started in tw 2014 and I was coming off Jamie Oliva: okay. Trent: of being a raging alcoholic and like barely getting into fitness after doing no fitness. And prior to that, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: I played hockey years and years before that. But when I started CrossFit, I weighed 135 pounds. I weigh Jamie Oliva: wow. Trent: a hundred and eighty pounds today. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, yep. Yep. Trent: Right. So that was another human. and like my back squat like a hundred and seventy pounds. And I'm like, that's embarrassing, you know. But I mean it's like I Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah, right. Trent: put two hundred pounds on it almost and things Jamie Oliva: Right. Trent: like that. But like origin stories like that are super cool. I think it's super Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: important what CrossFit provides. Like there's a lot of people that are against CrossFit and CrossFit Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Trent: a HQ kinda is, you know, iffy and shit like that. But like the purpose behind it and like what it builds, I think is super, super important. And I'm like grateful Jamie Oliva: Right. Trent: for the things that has given me because I wouldn't be where I'm at without him. Right. Like CrossFit brought me Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Right. Trent: to and helped me meet my wife. it has given me my best Jamie Oliva: so many. Yeah. Trent: friend, you know? And it's like it's it's super, super cool. And like part of CrossFit is part of the reason how we met, right? Because like I wouldn't Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: be doing this shit now if it wasn't for CrossFit, right? So like that's really fucking cool. And I think the the Jamie Oliva: Right. Right. Yeah. Trent: whole big circle of it is is really, really awesome. Jamie Oliva: it it changed my life, absolutely. And there's reasons behind that, Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: but a hundred percent. Yeah. Trent: Love it. That's so good. So so good. What has been a couple big defining moments in your adult life? Before we start getting into like Jamie Oliva: gosh. Trent: the the the deep, deep dark or the deep deep story, right? Like just what is a couple big defining moments that you've had so far? Jamie Oliva: I have so many. Trent: d let's go. I got all the time. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, I think some of the first ones my dad almost died when I was twenty. I think I was I had just moved out. I think I moved out. I was like early nineteen. Like I was r I had like two feet out the door when I was like eighteen. I was like, let me loose and Trent: Hm. Yeah. Jamie Oliva: So I was like, you know, brand new to adult life and I think yeah, I was like 19 and he had just a simple back surgery and had complications from that that could have been preventative. and so once I like started researching that, I had known somewhat of my trajectory, but hadn't really picked out nursing quite yet. And so once I went to the ER and got that phone call that we all don't ever want to have to rush there, I did mo so much more research and I was like, my gosh, like this is an easily preventable complication from surgery. Like how how did this even happen? And so I I think that was a big defining moment in my career. but also as a human being and knowing like Life is temporary and it can change like that. Like I had just talked to my dad like that day, you know, just checking in on him, feeling okay, you know. And then I get a call from an ER doctor and he's like, Come right now, you know. So, that was a big that was a Trent: That's brutal. Jamie Oliva: big defi yeah, that was just hard. and I think another one, my son went into anaphylaxis when he was eleven months old. Trent: Whew. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, and he that was really scary. That was from eggs. first time he had eaten them and stuff, and so that started a whole wormhole of the, you know, they talk about the top eight allergies and how common they are or whatnot, but he had like five, six of those of the eight, it turned out. And Trent: Holy shit. Jamie Oliva: so yeah, it was epi pen I had epi pens wherever I could like look. you know, I had in cupboards and in my purses and in the car, like everywhere. And that Trent: Mm. Jamie Oliva: was just another like life lesson. Like, holy shit, like life can change before your eyes, right? Like this is huge. And I was in nursing school at that time. And so I hadn't would have like gotten the hospital experience, right? And then starting in the ER in a level two trauma center that functioned as a level one was like Mind blowing. It was like I had just seen it's like the pit, right? And you just you come from you know your perfect little life, what you think is perfect and normal, and people have complications and it's scary, and people nearly die, and then you are thrown into this trauma center as a brand new nurse, and you're like, holy shit, like Everyone is critical and not everyone, but you know what I mean? Like it's gunshot wounds and car accidents and it's just like, my gosh, life is so fragile, actually. And I think those things really shaped who I am today and how I live my life. seize the day has always been, you know, make every day like it's your last, my like life motto. And it just it drove it home, especially working in the ER and seeing so much loss and death and just tragedy and how it impacts your family and stuff. And so it really just makes you appreciate people in your life more than you care to admit and sometimes and make you appreciate your life and what you have every day, honestly. Every day is a chance to live. to the fullest. So Trent: I think a lot of people just really like honestly take that for granted, right? I don't think anybody Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: should go just like go hang out in a trauma center just to see a little what it's like. but it's like, Jamie Oliva: Right, right. No. Trent: you know, it shit happens and shit can happen fast, And I think that, Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: you know, people kind of just cruise through life and they're they, you know, take for granted anything that they have, right? Like sit Jamie Oliva: Right. Yeah. Trent: on sit on their ph play their phone. I'm I'm guilty of it too. Don't get me wrong, right? I'm not saying that I'm perfect by any means. I try to like be as appreciative as I possibly can. You know, like I want to make sure my wife gets attention, I want to make sure that I'm doing things that make me happy and I'm also helping others as much as I possibly can, you know, in that right as well. and shit gets to it's it's tough, you know, like it's a it's a big Jamie Oliva: no. Trent: draw, you know. I mean, you know, like I was telling you right before we started, it's like I have depression and managing that while trying to be a CrossFit coach and like be there for people on a constant basis is like it's a it's a huge draw. You're on all the time, right? And it's Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah, you're on all the time, yeah. Trent: it's it's really hard to like turn off, you know. So it's like Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: when I sometimes when I get home, I'm like, I have nothing left in the tank, you know, and I just have to be honest Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: with with my wife. And I'm like, hey, you know, I'm I don't have it today, you know. And she's she's really understanding and fucking awesome. So it works out really well. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, yeah, that's awesome. Trent: I'm really excited to talk about the the tactical games. Like I'm really, really pumped to get that. But we're gonna have to start, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: you know, a little bit further back before we can get there. so Jamie Oliva: Yeah, yeah. Trent: I know this is gonna be tough and but we're gonna get into some big stuff. So let's talk about what has been going on for last two or three years of your life. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. so a little backstory and what actually most people don't know is this is my I've been divorced twice actually. So when I started CrossFit in 2013, I had kind of started the process fr from my first husband. and that was just a very big defining moment in my life on how CrossFit shaped me and gave me the courage and just strength, that inner strength. Right. Like I can do hard things and I can get through this. I had some difficult family situations at that time and I was very alone during that time. I felt abandoned by everyone I knew. and so CrossFit again like carried me through. and I just that community was everything in that time. So I just I kind of wanted to like give a little. Backstory on that before we dive into the last three years, two years. Trent: definitely. Definitely. Jamie Oliva: yeah, yeah. So I got remarried when I was 30 to an army veteran. and we were married for 10 years. I am not gonna sit here and sugarcoat things. It was a very toxic and difficult marriage the entire time. I lost myself completely. I gave up everything, all my dreams, everything. He was still active duty and so there was, you know, external factors at play. But I had big dreams of being a nurse practitioner and a CRNA. and I wanted to compete in the tactical games and I gave up CrossFit. You know, I I worked out in my gym in my garage for eight years straight almost. so that it was it was just very manipulative and difficult. but you don't you don't really truly see how difficult it is until you truly like step out of that bubble. And so December of twenty twenty four I was on a beach in Haiti on our first vacation together without children in seven years ish. Six and a half, seven years? Trent: That's a long time. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, yeah, long time. And it came about that he had been cheating on me and not only cheating, he was cheating on me the entire decade of our marriage. and there's some very dark aspects to that that I I'm not sure about entirely sharing. but the the yeah Trent: Yeah. It this is up to you. Share as much as you want. Jamie Oliva: The level of betrayal was out of this world, something I actually couldn't comprehend. He had a separate identity, separate financial accounts, a whole hidden name. and he was a predator to other women. So there were so many layers. Trent: That is so brutal. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, there there was just so many layers, right? Like you have the cheating and then you have this holy fuck. Who is this person? And get them the fuck away from me right now. Like, I'm gonna yeah. Trent: Yeah. That's fucking wild. Like Yeah. Jamie Oliva: yeah. So I that was, you know, almost, I mean, it'll be in December, it'll be two years, and I can't even comprehend that it's been that long. shortly after that, there I you know, I it was already done, right? I I had wanted to file for divorce previously, throughout the previous years. And loyalty runs through every cell and fiber in my being. I can't even describe how loyal I am as a person. that I just kept trying and we would do we would do all the things. I set up veteran retreats and so many like weekend getaways, right? And counseling and different medications that I knew about in my nursing career and just research and setting them up with appointments and such for mental health and at just everything. and just I just tried. I just I had been married before, like I said, and I was like, okay, this is it. Like I just I'm in it. We've got to figure it out, right? And That was obviously the last straw. I was completely done at that point. There was no thinking or any it was just, yes, this is it, right? Like I don't sign here. Like Yeah, yeah, yeah. Trent: Good, good call for sure. like I'm I'm still just like, what the fuck? Like he Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: the human condition is something that like baffles me constantly. Like on a daily basis. I'm just like, holy fuck, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Trent: like you're like walking around doing adult shit. This is fucking wild to me, right? And Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: like some people out there are just are just awful rotten. humans and I'm Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: sorry you had to go through that. and I know that now you are you are Jamie Oliva: It's it's okay. Yeah. Trent: you're thriving. I love Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: the fact that you came out of this on the other side instead of letting this bury you. what did right after Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: that look like and what what was like what was it what was your Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: mind state like and all that? Jamie Oliva: I I mean I was just I was broken. So the rest of the crew 'cause we were on a cruise 'cause fuck me, right? So I was stuck. Trent: God damn it. Jamie Oliva: so I was stuck. It was like day two of a seven-day cruise. So I'm like, Okay, well, you're sleeping in the pool deck. I don't give a shit. Trent: Fuck. Yeah. Jamie Oliva: and I I cr I mean I crumbled, to be honest. I laid in the fetal position, did not eat, did not get up for about two days straight. I bought Wi Fi and so my family was there for me. I c my the first phone call I made was to my dad and I just broke down completely and and he they couldn't believe it. they just were in absolute awe, you know. but they were there for me the whole time, texting me, calling me, listening to me just sob. you know, I didn't have words like at the end of it. I just I had no words. but by day three I went to the gym and I had to move my body because I knew I just knew that was gonna give me a bit of an endorphin surge and give me a little bit of strength just to keep moving on, right? I had kids at home, I have an ICU job at home. I d can't afford to take off work right and 'cause now I'm going through divorce. so I had to start building myself and that started on day three and it just kept climbing from there. we got home and Janu so one let's see, I found out December ninth, about three weeks later, we had been home, had Christmas, which was awesome. Trent: Yeah, I could only imagine like this is fucking fun. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. but we you know, the kids we just tried to hide it from them as much as we could at first. but he we found out he lost his job. And that was obviously a big hit. I had a whole farm. I had four horses, two donkeys, pigs, goats, chickens, thirteen acres and you know, and a house and all this stuff, right? Like Big bills. And Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: and so that was a that was a big hit and I had to postpone paying the retainer on my divorce lawyer for more time than I like. it ended up being about two months and I was just like Trent: Fuck. Jamie Oliva: Gimme a fucking credit card. I don't even care. That's Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: just being done. Like I I'm gonna Trent: Mm. Jamie Oliva: okay. It's gonna get figured out. So that all started and I was not so much gathering evidence at that time because I was just still in like such betrayal and like what how could you do this to me? That was my mindset. Like, how could you do this? How could you do this as a human being? Let alone me, you know, who's been here for you every step of the way when you have been suicidal and other deep, deep depressions, right? Like dark, dark stuff. Trent: For sure. Jamie Oliva: and you know, it March whatever came. I did all that. April. Of 2025, I was on my horse and she took off on me at full speed. And I had a brand new saddle. It was my divorce present saddle, and it was not properly Trent: Man. Jamie Oliva: fitted. And so we're going, you know, 30 miles an hour, whatever, top speed, you know. And I couldn't get her to stop. She this she was just freaking out. my saddle fell off, sending me in that same path. And I subsequently broke, fractured my back in three places. I could not walk. I got admitted to the hospital. I had a large hemorrhage bleed in my glute, so my buttocks, if you will. I lost sensation in my leg. And if you you know, as a nurse, I'm freaking the fuck out at this point. I'm like, holy. Trent: yeah, for sure. Jamie Oliva: my god, I can't even like how could life get any worse, right? Trent: Right, right. Jamie Oliva: feelings started to come back anyway, didn't have to have surgery. but I was out of work now for three and a half months. I was in such an amount of pain. I could not walk straight, let alone I mean, if you saw my back, I was on I don't like to take pills, right? as any CrossFitter is kind of that. Trent: For sure. Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: that way, right? so I like rock tape my back and right. Anti Trent: Yeah, like anti anti helping. Yeah. Jamie Oliva: every like don't help me, don't look at me. Trent: Yeah, I got this shit. Back off. Jamie Oliva: yeah, yeah. I don't need no you don't you don't need like narcot no, I don't want that. Trent: Hm. Jamie Oliva: but yeah, so I had done like, you know, P T and heating pads galore like I'd burn my back, you know. and just trying to heal and heal. I did end up going back to CrossFit in sorry, I joined a CrossFit gym in March. That was a big defining moment for me. I went from my garage of seven years working out by myself for seven years and joined a gym in March of that year. And so March To then April, then I broke my back and I'm like, great, awesome. I just joined this gym. And now I'm like, peace out for a bit, guys. so yeah, it was just it was like a just a a shitstorm of events. and I I'm not one to ask for help. I am not one to receive help. I don't like it, it makes me uncomfortable. I've gotten better at that. I know I need to get better at that. It is a work in progress. It's a personal aspiration of mine. but I was r I was done. Like I laid up in bed for a week straight. and so I I had to ask for help. And that was very difficult. And I had to rely on my ex, which was more painful than you can even imagine. asking for help from s Trent: Yeah, I ca I can't imagine, honestly. Jamie Oliva: it was it was like torture, right? I was Trent: Yeah. God, that fucking sucks. Jamie Oliva: but I had no choice and my family helped out but again like I needed I've like farm help I needed a farm person to help me out and that was my ex like he knew everything about the farm that I did or I taught him or told him how to do things and stuff and so yeah it it just it kind of forced me to rely on someone and that was very, very difficult. but yeah so that started the full trajectory of the next It took us, let's see, December to April of this year, it was finally finalized because Trent: Holy shit. Jamie Oliva: he drug me through to court after court and we had to go to trial. And I yeah there are so many more words to describe Trent Dick, that's it. Trent: What a dick. God, just what an asshole. Seriously. Like I'm fuck. Like, I I Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: am like I am so sorry that you had to go through this. Like, I I I my heart goes out to you. That's fucked up. It's just so, so wrong Jamie Oliva: Ale si Trent: on so many levels. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: I am so glad that you are in such good spirits now. And like you're like, Jamie Oliva: Yeah, Trent: it you look happy. Right. And light looks like you're thriving. I'm fucking I'm pumped for you. Jamie Oliva: I'm so I'm so happy. I I tell people Trent: Good. Jamie Oliva: when they're like, my gosh, like what? And they're and I'm like, Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: but wait, I would do that ten times over if I could get the life I have now. Trent: That is such a fucking Jamie Oliva: Hundred percent. Trent: awesome way, awesome way to look at it. So like I I've been divorced as well, right? And Jamie Oliva: Hundred percent. Yeah. Trent: my first wife, by the end, I was just bad, super bad, right? Like Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: I'm I was super resentful. She was resentful. Like it was just it was it was really bad. I she was a shitty human, I thought, and she apologized Jamie Oliva: Yeah. I'm sorry. Trent: for it five years later. No, it's fine, it's fine. But I tell everyone, like I would go through that exactly the way I did again. No matter how much it hurt and no matter what. Cause like Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: even even though I've disliked her so much when I when I asked for a divorce and got and we got divorced, it didn't really fucking matter because it still hurt. It was like, I failed, right? That's how I felt. Anyway, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Mm. Yeah. Trent: it was like I would go through it all again to learn what I learned and like who I am as a person after that. Because like I feel like I'm a pretty awesome husband now. Like my I I love my wife and it was like I'd do fucking anything for her, but I Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah. Trent: wouldn't be here if none of that other shit would have happened. Right. So like I'm super grateful. Jamie Oliva: Exactly. Yep. Trent: Like I love I love your mindset. That's that's fucking awesome. Jamie Oliva: Yep, I you know, I I that took me a bit, to be honest. I mean, I've been Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: in counseling for quite a while. I was actually in counseling Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: before this all happened, thank God. but yeah, I I'm honestly thankful it happened, truly, now at this point in my life. And it I mean that took me a while, but I am thankful it happened. So I would not trade Trent: That's great. I love that. So Jamie Oliva: what I have now. Trent: For anything. And I love I love that. That's so good. And I mean, I'm sorry that divorce took a long time to do that. Shit sucks. Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trent: so during during this time, when did you decide you're like, okay, I'm gonna get into the tactical games? Like you're still like you're rehabbing a broken back. You are Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: getting back into crosswit, going to a gym and stuff like that. Like, what was the thing that, like, I'm gonna do some, I'm gonna do some tactical shit? Jamie Oliva: Yeah, I so I've pretty much I mean being in the CrossFit space, you know, y it tactical games kind of branched off from CrossFit per se. And so I had been watching the tactical games, you know, on social media and such. just here and there. Not a whole not exclusively or anything, but I'd see things and I'd I'd even post. I mean, I could go back years before, you know, five years ago and I'd Find my post and I say, watch me. I will compete in the tactical games one day. And so this has always Trent: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Jamie Oliva: been a goal since it started. I think it's like eighth year somewhere around there. Trent: Something like that. Jamie Oliva: and I had na like I've never competitively shot. I've shot once to twice a year. and that was more so for fun. I grew up around guns with my dad, and he was just like, here's a cool gun, point and shoot, you know. It was never never Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: any formal training, like nothing. But I knew I loved guns. And so, Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: we had some. but just, you know, life is crazy and so they just sat in the safe and I never did anything with I I got my kin sealing carry kind of when America took a shit storm dive in the last couple of years, if you know what I mean. Trent: Yeah. for sure. Jamie Oliva: So yeah, I got my concealing carry and still I was like, ooh, and I you know, I remember like I was shaking, like I was nervous. Now I pick Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: up my gun and I'm like, pew pew. but no, I Trent: Yep, pew pew pew Jamie Oliva: yeah, so I had I had found it and I was just like, you know what? This I had so I had given myself up in my previous marriage and this. I so I'm 40 years old. I've never truly like Done things for myself, right? I just I gave that up for people to focus on them and their goals and everything. And my kids, you know, which is fine. I I spent so many years at home with my kids and I I didn't have hobbies. I worked out from home. I my friend my two best friends lived in opposite ends of the w you know, America basically, the United States. So Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: it's I like I didn't do anything. Like I it was my family. Like that's it. And so Trent: Mm. Jamie Oliva: going through this divorce, I was just like, I've given up so much of my life, so much of my adult life where I haven't chased my dreams, I haven't chosen myself, and I said, you know what, this is my year. This is my motherfucking year. It's my turn. Trent: Hell yeah. Jamie Oliva: so I I didn't know anyone in the tactical games. I didn't know any competitive shooters. I started researching and by researching I watched YouTube and Tactical Games website. Yes, honestly, people watch YouTube. yeah, a ser Yeah. Trent: That has everything you need. Yeah. YouTube for everything. Everything. Like my wife will like we'll come up with we'll come up with an idea. Or like I'll come up. I'm I'm usually the one that comes up with ideas. I'm like, I can build that. And she's like, are you sure? I'm like, fuck yeah. And I'm like, watch this. YouTube. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. It's honestly it's I mean, it's it's pretty great, honestly. so yeah, I found that and then through that I'd found like Ben Stoger and stuff like that. And so I was like, What's dry far? And I don't what do you mean? And you just point the gun and shoot. I thought that was bad, you know? And so it just started this just can of good worms, not bad worms, but Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: and so I just like my mind was just like And I was like, I'm so in. but I had no idea where to start. And I found you know, following people on tactical games, I found Janae Day Cassin and she was hosting a weekend day one perspective camp down in Texas. I live in Minnesota. and so I was like, screw it, I'm gonna go. I'm I need the training. I don't even know I don't know what to do with my hands. Like I don't know to R I had I had a shitty freaking F and five nine tactical nine millimeter pistol at the time. It's like a eight pound Trent: Perfect. Jamie Oliva: trigger that I took and like a SIG M4, Trent: Yes. Jamie Oliva: just a shit, you know, rifle. I'm like, hi. I don't know what to do. but Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: she was amazing. She taught me just everything from ground up, right? and so just I mean it was Saturday and Sunday. And so I was hooked immediately. and that kind of just, you know, took me off into the world of the tactical games and since I've made a lot of connections, learned so much competing in two gun every Wednesday night here in Minnesota. I've done two tactical games, regionals. I'm going to nationals. So it's been pretty amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Trent: So good. I love this. Like, I'm so excited for you. Like, I can't, I can't wait to watch Nationals is and see you fuck some shit up. you will, you will. I like it, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Well, I hope I do. I'm still very new, but Trent: just put it out in the universe. You're like, I'm gonna fuck shit up. That's all I'm gonna do. the Yeah, there it is. See? your Jamie Oliva: I'm yeah, I'm gonna fuck shit up. Yeah. Trent: post that you made, I think a couple days ago, like, you know, where you started when your first two guns compared to now. Holy shit. You're fucking killing it. That's super awesome. I love it. Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's why I take those videos. Everyone's like, you you do like you suck, right? Like you and I'm like, Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: yeah. You think I care about being embarrassed? No, not at all. Trent: Not even. Yep. Jamie Oliva: I'll embarrass myself all the time. I don't give a shit. Also, I think it's seriously. Like, have you heard me speak? No. No, I feel that. Trent: Yeah. Yeah. Me just talking embarrasses me half the time. Well, it would okay, let me rephrase. Yeah, let me rephrase. It would embarrass others because I don't give a fuck. So there's that. Exactly. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, though. I same I'm like, wow, if I said that. Trent: so w me and my me and my wife were we're also getting into tactical games, right? So like I've been coaching CrossFit for fucking ever. she's been doing CrossFit Jamie Oliva: Mm. Yeah. Trent: forever. And I Like we did a bunch of crossway competitions last year and I got super burned out. And now I'm like, this is new. It's hard. It's something that I fucking suck at. And like I love sucking at stuff because it like it just Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Right. Yeah. Trent: lights a fire under me. Like, I will get good at this. Like, I'm Jamie Oliva: Same Yes. Trent: in it. so just like you, bunch of bunch of research, watching tactical games, and Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Trent: we're starting to do the workouts and like since like we were just getting into shooting and I'm like, you what? I'm gonna Buy once, cry once. And I'm just buying fucking Gucci shit out of the gate so that way I don't have to fucking worry about it. Right. So like I don't want to buy a bunch of stuff and then be like, fuck, I gotta rebuy more shit and rebuy more shit and rebuy more shit. But so like we've Jamie Oliva: Yep. Yes, that's that's what I did. Yep. Yep. Yep. Trent: been we've been doing these workouts and stuff, and I'm like, they're kicking my ass. And I'm like, th the I I love this. And just practicing constantly and constantly and constantly. So what would I won't it's Jamie Oliva: That's awesome. So excited for you. Can't wait to compete with you. Trent: it's gonna be fucking dope. I can't wait. Jamie Oliva: Yes. Trent: We're gonna come back to the tactical games. I do wanna ask this question though. So what is the biggest piece of advice that you could give to someone who is going through a really tough situation, somewhat like yours, and what are some things that people should never stand for? Jamie Oliva: Yeah, if you're going through a tough time or anything, the the only reason why I share my story is in hopes that I help someone, truly. this is very difficult to talk about. I did not share my story for I that post that I made on Instagram, that was the first time. any like the general public or acquaintances had even known. I mean friends didn't know that level. Trent: wow. Jamie Oliva: I I I kept it very close to the belt and very close to home. and I think I just woke up one day and I was like, I need to I need to tell my story now. And I had so many people like, you should write a book and I'm like, stop. I'm not writing a book. But I should tell my story. Trent: Yeah, definitely. And that and that's one that's why I wanted to have you on, Because like stories like this do help people, And I as shitty as it is, you're Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Trent: going to help someone. And someone's gonna be like, wow, Jamie Oliva: Right. Trent: you know, I'm glad that I fucking listened to that podcast, as soon as I read your Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: post, I was like, I need to have you on. I'm grateful that like it just all worked out and it's super, super great. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: when it comes to like Someone who might be going who are like fighting the silent battle, They c they could be fucking Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: having a a an awful relationship and they just go and they like put on a happy face. Like I do it I don't put Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: on a happy face, but like I have to manage, Like what Jamie Oliva: Right. Trent: is some advice that you would give to somebody to get out of shit like this? Jamie Oliva: Honestly, take one step at a time, but it's taking those small steps that's going to build that courage. And that plays into my past and who I am at my core. Putting yourself in discomfort builds your courage. So taking tiny steps to toward that end goal, it's gonna be so much easier. When you take those baby steps towards that goal versus one day you're just, well, I fucking quit. I I'm gonna file for divorce, right? Like start taking the step. Start gathering your evidence or start filling your cup in some way, shape, or form. If that if that helps you gain courage in any way, shape, or form, do one thing that fills your cup every day. If it's a five-minute walk. Go for a five minute walk. If it's calling a friend, call your friend. If whatever that looks to you, start those steps. And those steps can include filling your cup, right? Because you have to have you have to take care of yourself first before you can start tackling some of those things, right? Because that's gonna take a lot out of you. and I think that plays into why I joined my CrossFit Gym after so many years. I needed to feel strong again. I needed to start filling my cup so I could tackle this grueling road ahead that I had a toward, right? I needed some sort of outlet to help me along the way and to keep me strong, keep me focused on a goal. and so if there's just if there's anything that you can think of or do, even if it's the smallest things, just just start doing it. Because it will get it will get easier. I promise. I promise. and then the caveat to that is don't focus on how hard it's gonna be. Focus on what it's gonna look like after. So I did not want to go through this, right? I did not choose this, I did not choose to be betrayed, I did not choose the divorce, right? Like it happened to me and I dealt with it. But I think going through that discomfort brought me to who I am today. And I love who I am today. I'm I'm still loving myself. That's a that's a work in progress. But focus on the end goal. Don't focus on on the path and how hard it's gonna be. Look at the reward. You're gonna find yourself. You're gonna be happy again. You're gonna be glowing. If you see my previous pictures, I posted one on Instagram. You can just see it in my face, like the unhappy. And everyone tells me, like, Jamie, you're glowing nowadays. And it's just like removing toxicity from your life is actually amazing for your image. Trent: R who knew? Yeah. Jamie Oliva: pretty crazy. Who knew? but yeah, just I mean focus on focus on the goal. Don't focus on how hard it's gonna be. yeah, I think that's my biggest Trent: Love it. Jamie Oliva: piece of advice. Yeah. Trent: I fucking love it. Okay, so let's get back to the tactical games and fun shit. So Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: first two gun, how'd it go? Were you terrified? Like what w what was that like? Like Jamie Oliva: a hundred percent. I was like, I I don't I don't even know what you shoot white with rifle, okay, and then brown is pistol? Is that right? Like I've I read the rule book and I was still like I have no idea. Like I'm full on ADHD squirrel, so I was like, wait, I have to I have to be fast and I have to go through these little weaves and walls and I have to shoot these targets and you Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: want it accurate and fast. Like Trent: Ha ha Jamie Oliva: I forgot so many targets. Like my Trent: You're like, oops, I was supposed to shoot that one. Jamie Oliva: they were all laughing at me. I mean I I actually compete with some of the top world shooters at my range. I'm Trent: Nice. Jamie Oliva: very lucky, but also like don't watch me, please. but yeah. Turn around Trent: Yeah, d tur turn around. Go away. Jamie Oliva: So I I would I would forget multiple targets and I'm like, well Forgot that one. shit, forgot that one. Trent: Yeah, oops. Jamie Oliva: but yeah, and that it took a while and it's uncomfortable. It is not comfortable sucking and being last, that's for sure. And I'm still, I mean, I'm still at the bottom, but I I've been climbing up as I progress. So it's been about three and a half months Trent: Fuck yeah. Jamie Oliva: and I'm I'm g I'm you know, I've climbed some spots, but again, it's it's a work in progress and you gotta Trent: I'm telling you, that video of the first one compared to the one that you just did, like if that's three Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Right. Trent: and a half months, you are fucking killing it. Like, way to go. That's awesome. Jamie Oliva: ugh. Thank you. I'm I'm my worst Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: critic, so I'm like, my gosh, Jamie, you're f terrible still. I'm like, Good lord, you took so much time on that pistol shot. Trent: Everybody's their worst critic. Like Yeah. So like what if you like watch it and you're like, you what? Hey, you made progress on this compared to last time, you know? That'd be that'd be way better. Jamie Oliva: I know. Yeah. Yeah. And I yeah. And I do I that's why I like to post those and like, okay, look at look at my progress in three and a half months. Can you imagine next year? So it's cool. Trent: Yeah. F you're gonna be running a clinic. Check that shit out. so Jamie Oliva: Ha ha ha. Trent: when w when was your first tactical games? Jamie Oliva: so it in Missouri in end of April. And in Minnesota, we don't have skirmishes. We had been set up for skirmishes. for those that don't know, it's like a practice tactical game. So it's like a one day practice, you know, run through. and so we had had it set up and just due to some unforeseen events. they didn't happen. And so I had my one weekend with Janae Dekosin in I think it was February that I went, beginning of February. And then I had a kind of a training day at the range with some barricades and like ski ergs and stuff. And I think that was like just a couple hours. And so that's it. That's all I had. And was I was so unprepared. So I signed up for Missouri Regional, knowing that this was going to be treated as my skirmish. So I did Trent: Hell yeah. Jamie Oliva: not do well. but I showed up. I knew like w one person and they weren't competing. They were people that I had met, you know, at the at our practice day. didn't know any other competitors. Like I showed up late. To some of the stages that I was supposed to judge. I'm like, wait, I have to j okay, I have to load my mags for every stage and then get prepared. And now you want me to judge Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: people? I'm like, what? Trent: Man. Jamie Oliva: So that was just like I was like, what am I doing? But I, you know, I connected with people there. They were like, okay, you know, guiding the squirrel. Like, okay, Jamie, you need to go here. Like, show up here. This is how you shoot this Trent: Love it. Jamie Oliva: one. Bojer Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: makes with eight, okay. I was like, What? So, Trent: Love it. Jamie Oliva: yeah, that was my that was my first regional. I actually tore my calf on Sunday morning on the second stage and so I had to self, you know, DQ myself from that. and that was really rough. My calf is still injured, but we're getting there, so Trent: that sucks. what have you noticed about the tactical games community compared to like a crossway community? Jamie Oliva: everyone is so welcoming. It is like everyone wants to teach you something. Everyone is willing to borrow you their shit. I borrowed mags from my gosh. I can't even think of his name. but and again, everyone is so helpful. Everyone's like, Do you need this? Like, here's an uncrustable, here's a mag, that's shit ammo, Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: you shouldn't have that. Trent: Why are you shooting that? Jamie Oliva: yeah. Yeah, yeah. that's a shitty gun. You should have this one. So that you know, everyone is just willing to help out and be friendly and yeah, it's just just been great. I've made so many connections already and so many friendships that I know will be lifelong already, and so I'm super thankful. Trent: That's so awesome. Like, I'm I'm really looking forward to this. So I've had a couple people on that do tactical game stuff. I just had her name's Jen Libby, and she's she's absolutely awesome. Then I had Jamie Oliva: yeah. Yeah, yeah. Trent: my friends Kelly and John Erweiler on, who are also fucking awesome. yeah, they just went to Jamie Oliva: Yep. Yep, they are. Trent: Europe and they competed in Rome. So the c the community's small and I love that. Like I Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: I've been do like, like I said, I've been coaching For so long, and I've been to so many gyms and coached at so many gyms, and I used to own a gym and all these things. And CrossFit Jamie Oliva: Awesome. Trent: always ends up reverting to some form of high school, and I can't fucking stand it. So I'm ready to be like, hey, let's just like Jamie Oliva: It sure does. Ooh. Trent: let's act like we're just like a little bit older adults. It'll be great. Jamie Oliva: gosh. The clicks I don't even get me started. Trent: it's gross. I fucking hate it so much. Jamie Oliva: Yeah, yeah. Trent: what advice would you give to somebody who wants to get into shooting sports? Jamie Oliva: start researching, start watching videos, start handling your guns. my gosh, I can't even speak to that enough because I I mean it took me months. I mean, I'm I I kind of started in March-ish, right? but handling your weapon without a mag, safe, the ammo's gone, right? Like Brandon Rhodas, he's a friend. I'll never f like he told me sit in your bed while you're relaxing at night and just play with your pistol. Like change out your mags, empty mags, play with Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: your safety. I know that sounds play with your gun. Play with your pistol. Trent: Play with your pistol in bed, guys. Just so you know. Jamie Oliva: Don't make it weird. Trent: Don't make it weird. Got it. Jamie Oliva: But no, like that gives you so much confidence in weapon manipulation. Manipu manipulation. See, this is when words are hard and I'm like, wow, I said that. Trent: There we go. Words are tough. Jamie Oliva: manipulation. and just being comfortable with the weapon itself and you know, just changing out things, trigger control, learn how to dry fire properly. So there's some great classes out there. Stoker is not a end all be all. There's some great ones out there as well. But yeah, just getting comfortable with your weapons that you're going to have. And then start following Instagram people that compete, post questions. Inkedon Tactical, he's another great one. he's awesome. He posts kind of like how-to stuff, what to bring, kind of like a general overview. and he's always happy to ask questions. I'm always happy to. or answer questions. but I I'm still a newbie, so there's that. But happy to help out with whatever everyone is so willing to help out. so even if you just start reaching out to people, you will find that most nine times out of ten, everyone's gonna ask you, or if they don't know, they're gonna get you someone that knows. And so that's just the biggest thing. And then Facebook has, you know, the tech games community pages and stuff that everyone is gonna ask questions and stuff. So Trent: Yeah. Jamie Oliva: yeah. Trent: Well I always f I always forget about getting on community shit on Facebook. Like I fucking forget about it all the time. I need to get my shit together. so Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. I I mean I did too for a while, so Trent: Yeah. so dry firing is huge. I I've been doing a ton of dry fire and we have I bought so many snap point dummy rounds so like we that Jamie Oliva: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Trent: that are like normal weight and everything so like we can, you know, mess our magazines and like so like we have something to dry fire with and it's still like, hey, we get a you know, a round that we have to eject or whatever the and it's it it's super super helpful. my wife, she Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: went to level one or two. No, it had to be a level two. handgun class for ladies last night. And she Jamie Oliva: cool. Trent: has to she's she's trying to work on like 'cause she pushes forward like anticipating for, you know, the recoil and stuff like that. So she's been working on that. And the Jamie Oliva: Yes, yeah, yep. Mm-hmm. Trent: instructor put in a couple live rounds and then a dummy round and a couple of live rounds. So it's like she was seeing what she was doing when the like when, you know, the dummy round didn't fire and she's like Jamie Oliva: Yep. Mm-hmm. Trent: Pushing forward and she's like, ha ha. See, now we know. And then, like, it's so like they're working through that, which is super cool. And I love I love that she's doing that. Jamie Oliva: Yep. That's awesome. Yeah, and I mean that's the other thing is take local classes. Like take hand everyone every range has got handgun one one, rifle one one. You Trent: Mm-hmm. Jamie Oliva: know, I took some of those when I started to, so those are super helpful for basics. Trent: So you so you were saying you do two guns every Wednesday? Jamie Oliva: Yeah, we just ended Sad Face crying internally, basically. but Trent: Ooh. Jamie Oliva: we're talking about doing something else. but I was gonna s I actually signed up for my first USPSA match this Saturday. so that's pistol only, for those that don't know. I tend to be quite a bit worse at pistol, I think. and so I signed up for this. This is uncomfortable. Trent: Nice. Jamie Oliva: I'm not gonna be good. I'm gonna suck. but I signed up knowing that I'm gonna improve myself, I'm gonna improve my pistol, whether it's gonna take a while or not. So Trent: I love that. So when is Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: your are you not doing another tactical games until nationals? Jamie Oliva: No, I am competing in a CrossFit competition next month, beach brawl in Florida, Trent: Sweet. Jamie Oliva: for a team event. so that's kinda my yeah. Trent: hell yeah. That's a that's a I heard that's a really good comp. Jamie Oliva: It's so fun. I did it last year. amazing time. So much fun. so that's kind of my focus right now. And then then I go to nationals in November in Texas. So trying to get in as much Trent: Hell yeah. Jamie Oliva: as I can. So yeah. Yep. Trent: I love it. I love it. That's super, super awesome. Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: all right, last thing I'm gonna ask. If you could move anywhere right now, right this second, where would you go? Jamie Oliva: That's good question. th without thinking it's either Tennessee or Texas. but it that's like considering my kids, I think if any like if I could move anywhere in the world, I'd probably move to Australia. Trent: Nice. Yeah, that'd be fun. You know, everything there tries to murder you though, right? So it's like all of the animals, all of the reptiles, all of the insects. It's like, you know. Jamie Oliva: Mm. Yeah. I know. It but it's yeah. Come at me, bro. Trent: I ain't scared. Bring it. Yeah. Jamie Oliva: Bring it. Russell, a grizzly bear, I don't care. Trent: look at you, go, that's dope. me and me and my wife, we are gonna be moving soon and we live in Seattle, which sucks for guns. It fucking sucks. Jamie Oliva: okay. Yeah. Yeah. Ugh. Trent: But we were Jamie Oliva: Gross. Trent: talking about moving to Tennessee and now we're going to we're gonna be heading to Boise this this weekend to go check it out and see if we like it and and check that out. Yeah. So that'll be super, super fun. Jamie Oliva: sweet. I would move to yep, I would move to Idaho too. Absolutely. That's awesome. Very cool. Trent: Yeah. very yeah, so we're gonna go check that out. and what I really like about it, there's a lot of cross the gyms there. And I'm an Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: L3, so it's like I pretty sure like I like, hey, I would want to coach and people be like, hey, maybe you can coach and I'm like, let's give it a shot, you know? but I I Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Hun hundred percent. Yeah. Yeah. Trent: have this this awesome idea and I know that like there's a few tactical games like affiliated gyms, but like I have an idea, like I want to go to a gym be like, hey, I'm gonna offer tactical classes or whatever and teach people how to do Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: all of the fitness with all with all their, you know, kid on shit like that. And then Jamie Oliva: Yep. Trent: long term goals like go get a range level two officer thing and then go like Jamie Oliva: okay. Trent: to the range and be like, all right guys, we're gonna fucking do some tactical shit. Buckle up. Let's go. And it'll be super fun. Yeah. Jamie Oliva: I love it. I love that. I mean there's there's a big community in Boise. I don't know I can connect you with some of the you you might know already, but they do well they had a did they have a regional out there? Yeah. And then they hold skirmishes in Boise, I believe, too. Trent: they do this so there's a regional Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: yeah, there's there's skirmishes in Boise and then there's a regional that's like just north or something like that. yeah, if you want to shoot me contacts, yeah. If you want to shoot me some contacts, that'd be dope. Jamie Oliva: Yep. Yeah, yeah, so you'd be set up. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Trent: so Jamie, how can people get a hold of you if they are in some shit and they need to talk to Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Trent: a nice person, or if they want to get into the tactical games and they they don't know where to start, how can they get a hold of you? Jamie Oliva: Yeah, on honestly, reach out to me for anything. I love helping people. I just spoke with someone last night just truly about hardship. So Barbells and Guacamole on Instagram Trent: Hell yeah. Jamie Oliva: and Barbells and Guacamole and then just Jamie Oliva, O L I V A, on Facebook. So happy to hear anyone out, listen if you need a listening ear, give advice. Shut up if I need to, I can do it all. Trent: I cannot thank you enough for coming on and telling your story. I know that shit was super hard and I know it's really, really tough to talk about, but again, Jamie Oliva: Yeah. Yeah. Trent: like it's gonna help some people and you're a fucking awesome human and I really, really appreciate you. Absolutely. Hey, thanks. I do Yeah, I I do what I can. And you know, hopefully Jamie Oliva: Absolutely. Thank ya. Thank you. So are you, Trent. Thanks for doing this podcast. This is amazing, actually. Trent: you get to check out some some episodes and at least you laugh. Like if you're laughing, we're doing some shit right, you know, so that's good. Awesome. Okay. Jamie Oliva: Yes, yes. Yep. I've I've listened to a couple so far, I'm catching up, so they're great. I love it. Yep. Trent: Hell yeah. On YouTube. It's way funner because there's video. You get to see all YouTube has everything. I'm telling you. Jamie Oliva: yes, see, YouTube has ever everything. Yep. Trent: Again, Jamie, thank you so much. you're the best. And we'll we'll talk soon for sure. that was Jamie Oliva: Yep, thank you. Okay, thank you so much.