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Did A TikToker Solve The Zodiac Killer Case · The conspiracy

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  Speaker 1: Crime, conspiracy, serial killers, and murder, all things that I
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  Speaker 1: love to consume, and I know you do too, you sick, beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Intellectual freak.
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  Speaker 1: But today, we're talking about something a little bit different,
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  Speaker 1: because it's kind of an update of sorts. We have
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  Speaker 1: somebody that has claimed that their own grandfather is... A
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  Speaker 1: serial killer, and not only any serial killer, but one
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  Speaker 1: of the most notorious serial killers of all time, and
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  Speaker 1: that is the Zodiac Killer.
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  Speaker 3: Search goes on in San Francisco for the man known
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  Speaker 3: as the Zodiac Killer.
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  Speaker 4: A young man's voice reported the double murders.
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  Speaker 2: There have been three slayings in the Vallejo area in
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  Speaker 2: the past year.
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  Speaker 5: The psychotic killer has already murdered five.
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  Speaker 6: One at a lover's.
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  Speaker 7: Lane near a lake just north of San Francisco.
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  Speaker 6: Three others in nearby Vallejo.
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  Speaker 2: The latest, a taxi driver in San Francisco.
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  Speaker 8: But it seems that a solution to the five Zodiac
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  Speaker 8: murders is just as far away as it was before.
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  Speaker 1: So let's unbuckle our seatbelts, go Mach 5 down the highway,
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  Speaker 1: slam on the brakes, and bust through this windshield into
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  Speaker 1: this serial killer together. So as most of you know,
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  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer terrorized California in the late 1960s, leaving
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  Speaker 1: behind a trail of cryptic letters and unsolved murders. But
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  Speaker 1: despite decades of investigation, the Zodiac's true identity remains a mystery.
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  Speaker 1: But as I told you in the beginning of this video, there.
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  Speaker 2: Is a twist.
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  Speaker 1: A man on TikTok, user at jfoye underscore 3.0, claims
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  Speaker 1: his grandfather... Richard Hoffman, is the real Zodiac Killer. He
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  Speaker 1: presents supposed evidence and family secrets that have absolutely blown
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  Speaker 1: up the internet. So this could be an insane breakthrough
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  Speaker 1: that everyone has been waiting for for decades now, or it.
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  Speaker 2: Could be another conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 1: So I think most people know who the Zodiac Killer is,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think a lot of people know the
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  Speaker 1: exact details of the crimes he committed and what he
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  Speaker 1: did to taunt police. So I think it's really important
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  Speaker 1: that we go over those details and the attacks that
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  Speaker 1: happened and then we get into what this TikToker claims.
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  Speaker 2: So let's start at the first attack. So the first.
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  Speaker 1: Attack of many the Zodiac would commit would be on
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  Speaker 1: December 20th, 1968 against Betty Lou Jensen and David Faraday.
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  Speaker 1: The couple was on their first date at a couple's
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  Speaker 1: woohoo spot. You know what I'm talking about. I just
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  Speaker 1: tried to wink and I just, did I just blink?
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  Speaker 1: Did I wink? Let me try that again. A couple's
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  Speaker 1: woohoo spot on Lake Herman Road, a well-known lover's lane.
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  Speaker 1: I'm nailing it, I'm nailing it. And this was just
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  Speaker 1: outside the city of Vallejo, California. Betty Lou Jensen was
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  Speaker 1: 16 and David Faraday was 17 years old. Betty was
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  Speaker 1: a Colorado native and a very active student at Hogan
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  Speaker 1: High School as a junior, not to mention an honor
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  Speaker 1: student as well. She was also a grand royal bride
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  Speaker 1: of Primavera Council, number 132, which was part of the
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  Speaker 1: Pythian Sunshine Girls, which apparently their purpose is to lay
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  Speaker 1: down a foundation of purity, service, and usefulness in all
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  Speaker 1: things that help to make the lives of those around
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  Speaker 1: us happier and the world a better place to live in.
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  Speaker 1: The motto even being, do all the good you can
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  Speaker 1: in all the ways you can to all the people
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  Speaker 1: you can.
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  Speaker 2: So she was wonderful.
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  Speaker 1: A literal angel. She was a literal, actual angel, which
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  Speaker 1: just makes us all the more worse. And David Faraday
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  Speaker 1: was a native to San Rafael, and he was a
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  Speaker 1: senior at Vallejo High School. He was also on the
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  Speaker 1: wrestling team and an active member of the school's government
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  Speaker 1: and also an Eagle Scout member. He was also a
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  Speaker 1: holder of the God and Country Award, a high honor
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  Speaker 1: in scouting, and he was also very active in his church.
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  Speaker 1: So again, Another literal angel, like these kids were so good. However,
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  Speaker 1: all that would change on December 28th, 1968, around 11 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Despite being the angels that they are, they are also
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  Speaker 1: teenagers and they did lie to their parents about going
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  Speaker 1: out to where they were. And this was something they
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  Speaker 1: would not usually do at all. So it was a
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  Speaker 1: very freak event for them and it would not bode
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  Speaker 1: in their favor. So they would go to this Lover's
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  Speaker 1: Lane location and suddenly an unknown assailant would come up
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  Speaker 1: to their car and start firing on them with a
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  Speaker 1: gun before they even knew what was going on. But
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  Speaker 1: the unknown shooter would miss the couple with his first
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  Speaker 1: few shots and they would both scramble towards the passenger
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  Speaker 1: door to escape.
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  Speaker 2: The other gunshots.
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  Speaker 1: Betty Lou Jensen was able to escape at that moment,
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  Speaker 1: while David Faraday was unfortunately shot in the head with a.
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  Speaker 1: 22 rifle. And although Betty Lou did escape at the time,
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  Speaker 1: she would run away and she would be shot at
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  Speaker 1: six more times by the shooter, and five of those
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  Speaker 1: would land in her back. And this is when the
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  Speaker 1: assailant would get back into his vehicle and drive off.
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  Speaker 1: And about 10 minutes later, at 11.10 p.m., a passing
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  Speaker 1: motorist would notice the two bodies on the ground and
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  Speaker 1: in the vehicle, and would immediately flag the police down
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  Speaker 1: to investigate the scene. And while on the scene, Betty
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  Speaker 1: Lou was pronounced dead, but David Faraday was still breathing. However,
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  Speaker 1: he would succumb to his wounds later on in the hospital.
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  Speaker 1: No motive was obviously found for this murder, other than
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  Speaker 1: the killer being some sort of madman.
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  Speaker 9: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: And an investigation would last for seven months afterwards and
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  Speaker 1: would have extensive coverage by the media. But the trail
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  Speaker 1: would inevitably run dry and the rest of the investigation
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  Speaker 1: kind of seemed futile until the killer would strike.
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  Speaker 6: Again.
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  Speaker 1: Seven months later, this time would be much, much different.
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  Speaker 1: Darlene Farren, who was 22, and Michael McGough, who was 19,
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  Speaker 1: would be the Zodiac Killer's next victims. Darlene was very
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  Speaker 1: popular in her community due to her job at a
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  Speaker 1: very popular local restaurant, and that's where she would inevitably
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  Speaker 1: meet Michael McGough. She would continue to see him despite
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  Speaker 1: already being married to Dean Farren, Ooh, not good. Until
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  Speaker 1: they had a date on July 4th, 1969. After 1130,
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  Speaker 1: Darlene would receive a call at her house from a
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  Speaker 1: presumed Michael McGow, where she promptly left and went to
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  Speaker 1: Miguel's house at around 1150 PM.
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  Speaker 2: And these facts kind.
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  Speaker 1: Of become blurred due to conflicting stories, but the story
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  Speaker 1: goes as such.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, I gotta put my glasses on. I can't see
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  Speaker 2: shit on this computer.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God, these are dirty.
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  Speaker 2: One second.
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  Speaker 9: Much better.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So Darlene and Michael would then drive to Blue Rock
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  Speaker 1: Springs Park, where they would probably park in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 1: This spot was popular again with couples in the area,
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  Speaker 1: a lover's lane of sorts, as was the other one.
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  Speaker 1: A car would then pull up where occupants were laughing
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  Speaker 1: and setting off fireworks to celebrate Independence Day before driving off. However,
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  Speaker 1: another car would pull up nearby the couple, where they
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  Speaker 1: would park and sit there motionless for a while.
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  Speaker 6: Creepy.
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  Speaker 1: And after a few minutes, the car would pull away,
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  Speaker 1: but it would only come back just.
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  Speaker 2: A few minutes later. I would have been gone. I
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  Speaker 2: would have been gone at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Just saying. Then the driver would open the car door
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  Speaker 1: and step out of the car, walking up to the
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  Speaker 1: couple's car, and would be shining a flashlight in their window. Naturally,
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  Speaker 1: Darlene would think it was a police officer, so she
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  Speaker 1: would roll down her car window to speak to the
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  Speaker 1: police officer. However, it wasn't, and the driver would pull
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  Speaker 1: out his gun and start open firing inside the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: One of the bullets would hit Darlene in the neck,
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  Speaker 1: causing her to slump over onto the steering wheel, and
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  Speaker 1: Michael would be shot in the arm. And Michael would
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  Speaker 1: try to escape the vehicle, but the door handle was
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  Speaker 1: either missing or it was removed. The driver would then
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  Speaker 1: walk away from the car while Michael was screaming in
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  Speaker 1: pain and struggling with the door. This would cause the
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  Speaker 1: assailant to walk back to the vehicle and head towards
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  Speaker 1: the couple again. Four more shots would be fired, two
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  Speaker 1: for each victim. The attacker would then hop back into
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  Speaker 1: his car and drive. Shortly after, three teenagers would happen
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  Speaker 1: upon the couple's car and the couple's bodies, and they
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  Speaker 1: would notify police. Police would arrive on the scene at
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  Speaker 1: 1220 a.m., where the couple was taken to the hospital immediately,
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  Speaker 1: and Darlene was unfortunately declared deceased. However, Michael McGough would survive,
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  Speaker 1: and he would give a description to police. Michael would
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  Speaker 1: describe the killer as a white man with a large face,
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  Speaker 1: heavy set, standing at around 5'8, and weighing 195 to
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  Speaker 1: 200 pounds. He had short, curly, light brown hair with
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  Speaker 1: a pot belly.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds like a f * * * ing stud.
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  Speaker 1: And he was wearing dark clothes and did not have glasses.
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  Speaker 1: But even with these details, it was not enough to
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  Speaker 1: find a suspect. But at around 1240 a.m., something very
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  Speaker 1: strange happened. The Vallejo Police Department would receive a phone
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  Speaker 1: call from a nearby public telephone that was only two
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  Speaker 1: blocks away from them, where a man on the line
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  Speaker 1: said this.
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  Speaker 8: I want to report. A double murder. If you go
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  Speaker 8: one mile east on Columbus Parkway to the public park,
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  Speaker 8: you will find kids in a brown car. They were
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  Speaker 8: shot with a 9mm Luger. I also killed those kids
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  Speaker 8: last year.
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  Speaker 6: Goodbye. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Nightmare fuel, if you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: So this guy's just playing, toying with the police, making
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  Speaker 1: sure that they know it's him. He's clearly just this
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  Speaker 1: like psychopathic, narcissistic, evil piece of shit. And he would
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  Speaker 1: not stop there. So they knew the same man who
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  Speaker 1: committed this murder was the exact same man who committed
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  Speaker 1: the two murders seven months. prior. He was making a
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  Speaker 1: name for himself now and police had many more questions.
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  Speaker 1: And this is where the first of the letters would
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  Speaker 1: come into play as well. So a month later on
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  Speaker 1: August 1st, 1969, the letters prepared by the killer were
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  Speaker 1: given to the Vallejo Times Herald, the San Francisco Chronicle,
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  Speaker 1: and the San Francisco Examiner. And scarily enough, all the
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  Speaker 1: letters received were completely identical, stating that he was the
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  Speaker 1: one who killed the people at Lake Herman Road and
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  Speaker 1: Blue Rock Springs. And he would explain that the people
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  Speaker 1: that he murdered would become his slaves in the afterlife.
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  Speaker 2: What the?
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  Speaker 1: And the letter only included one third of a 408
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  Speaker 1: symbol cryptogram, that which the Zodiac Killer claimed was the
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  Speaker 1: answer to his identity. And the other future letters had
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  Speaker 1: the other two thirds. And on top of the terrifying
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  Speaker 1: letters he had sent in, he said to the paper
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  Speaker 1: editors that if they did not put the cryptogram in
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  Speaker 1: the papers on the front page, he would cruise around
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  Speaker 1: all weekend, killing lone people in the night, then move
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  Speaker 1: on to kill again, until I end up with a
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  Speaker 1: dozen people over the weekend. That's gaslighting at its finest,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a terrifying story. which everyone obviously took
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  Speaker 1: insanely seriously and would post their respective portion that the
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  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer wished. Which brings us to attack number three.
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  Speaker 1: So the second confirmed Zodiac Killer attack, which we just
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  Speaker 1: talked about, came seven months after the first one that
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  Speaker 1: we talked about. But the length of time between number
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  Speaker 1: two and number three would be drastically shorter, which we've
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  Speaker 1: seen with serial killers is a very, very common theme.
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  Speaker 2: They get used to what they do.
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  Speaker 1: And they start to perfect it, and they start to
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  Speaker 1: do it more and more often, especially If you're like
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  Speaker 1: a psychopathic narcissist, you can think you can keep getting
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  Speaker 1: away with it. And less time between kills becomes more
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  Speaker 1: and more of a craving. So only two months after
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  Speaker 1: the murders of Darlene and Michael, the Zodiac Killer would
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  Speaker 1: strike again on September 22nd, 1969. Cecilia Shepherd and Brian
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  Speaker 1: Hartnell were friends, though the two had dated in the
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  Speaker 1: past couple of years. Cecilia had eventually moved to another
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  Speaker 1: school so they would break up, but had come back
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  Speaker 1: to visit friends. And during a dinner at the cafeteria,
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  Speaker 1: Brian had asked her if she was doing anything special afternoon.
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  Speaker 1: She asked why and he suggested that they go for
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  Speaker 1: a walk to San Francisco to be specific and just
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  Speaker 1: find something to do. And that evening after running around
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  Speaker 1: to purchase some items and to drop off some of
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  Speaker 1: the folks that they were currently with, it was already
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  Speaker 1: getting late at that point. And rather than rushing to
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  Speaker 1: make a trip out to San Francisco, Brian would remember
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  Speaker 1: a place that he frequented on Lake Berryessa. So they
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  Speaker 1: would try to find the spot at Lake Berryessa but
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  Speaker 1: they would have trouble finding it because it was so dark.
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  Speaker 1: So they would just land on a spot where there
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  Speaker 1: were no cars around and just say this is where
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  Speaker 1: they were gonna hang out. Brian would leave his car
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  Speaker 1: at 56 Carmen Ghia by the side of the road,
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  Speaker 1: and they would trek about a quarter mile to the
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  Speaker 1: edge of the lake. And it was this beautiful little
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  Speaker 1: peninsula that would turn into complete water in the wetter seasons.
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  Speaker 1: But since it was still summer, it was just a
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  Speaker 1: little island that anybody could really go to. So they
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  Speaker 1: would lay down and Cecilia would rest her head on
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  Speaker 1: his shoulder while they both spoke, reminiscing about old times
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  Speaker 1: and good times until they heard a rustling.
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  Speaker 6: Nearby.
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  Speaker 1: And Cecilia would look up and over Brian's shoulder and
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  Speaker 1: she would see a man and tell Brian that she
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  Speaker 1: sees a man. But Brian, facing the opposite way, thought
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  Speaker 1: she was talking about seeing a man at a neighboring
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  Speaker 1: picnic area because there were other areas that they could
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  Speaker 1: see that other people could picnic at, so he didn't
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  Speaker 1: really think anything of it. But the figure was much
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  Speaker 1: closer than Brian had believed and when Cecilia said, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: there's a man over there, the man would take a
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  Speaker 1: step behind a tree so Brian... saw him taking a
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  Speaker 1: step behind the tree and would just assume that he
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  Speaker 1: was taking a leak, which is fair. But that's when
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  Speaker 1: Cecilia would say, oh my God, he has a gun.
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  Speaker 1: And the danger would soon become realized for Brian. And Brian,
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  Speaker 1: who was entering the field of sociology in his studies,
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  Speaker 1: would talk to this man saying he's read about the
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  Speaker 1: criminal mind. And he would offer to help him actually
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  Speaker 1: with no strings attached, basically trying to get out of
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  Speaker 1: the situation. And Brian wouldn't have any money on him.
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  Speaker 1: He would only have 50 cents, in fact. But he
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  Speaker 1: said maybe he can help in another way. But the
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  Speaker 1: man would.
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  Speaker 2: Say to them, nah, time's running short.
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  Speaker 1: And the man would tell Brian that he had just
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  Speaker 1: broken out of prison in Montana and killed a guard
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  Speaker 1: on the way out. And I don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: was like some weird way of him to scare them,
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  Speaker 1: just to let them know that there was no chance
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  Speaker 1: of getting away or to gain some sort of psychological
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  Speaker 1: upper hand, or for the fact that he could cover
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  Speaker 1: himself if one of them didn't die. I'm not sure,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a very strange thing to say, especially
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  Speaker 1: if that wasn't the case. And the man's appearance had
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  Speaker 1: a clear indication that he had a hunger for violence.
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  Speaker 1: As he wore an executioner's hood that covered his head, shoulders,
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  Speaker 1: and the front of his chest. The hood bore the
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  Speaker 1: circle cross symbol we now associate as the symbol of
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  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer. So the Zodiac Killer would hold them
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  Speaker 1: at gunpoint and eventually tie them up with plastic clothesline.
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  Speaker 1: He would make Cecilia tie up Brian, and Brian, being
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  Speaker 1: extremely smart, would make the knots seem like they were
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  Speaker 1: tighter than they were when Cecilia actually tied them pretty loose.
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  Speaker 1: And the Zodiac Killer would tie up Cecilia himself with
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  Speaker 1: knots that were horrifically tight. And Brian would whisper to
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  Speaker 1: Cecilia that he thought he could get a hold of
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  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer's gun. But she would respond in complete
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  Speaker 1: and utter fear, which absolutely, like being in that situation,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people, I assume, would just want to
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  Speaker 1: be agreeable with the killer, so she was scared. that
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  Speaker 1: if he did that, they would both get killed, so
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  Speaker 1: he decided to go back on that plan. And then,
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  Speaker 1: without any warning at all, the Zodiac Killer would begin
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  Speaker 1: his brutal attack, stabbing Brian six times in the back,
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  Speaker 1: one of which would go through his lung, and Cecilia
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  Speaker 1: would get stabbed ten times, both in the front and
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  Speaker 1: in the back. Using a knife with a blade nearly
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  Speaker 1: a foot long. And as the Zodiac Killer would walk away,
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  Speaker 1: he would leave a very disturbing message on the car
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  Speaker 1: of Brian's white Volkswagen Karmann Ghia. And it would bear
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  Speaker 1: the dates of his previous attack with the same circle
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  Speaker 1: cross signature, which in my opinion is very obvious that
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  Speaker 1: he just wants to take credit for those attacks and
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  Speaker 1: make sure that the police know that this is done
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  Speaker 1: by the same killer.
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  Speaker 2: So he just, he just wants.
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  Speaker 1: Credit where credit's due basically in a really f *
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  Speaker 1: * * ing And like I said before, the couple
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  Speaker 1: were in a very remote area at a kind of
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  Speaker 1: a weird time, so they didn't see any other people
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  Speaker 1: there besides the Zodiac Killer. So the odds of somebody
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  Speaker 1: coming by to find them were very, very slim. But thankfully,
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  Speaker 1: a fisherman would hear them screaming and would alert the
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  Speaker 1: park rangers. And by the time help had arrived, the
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  Speaker 1: two had freed themselves, but both victims would be in
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  Speaker 1: critical condition, obviously being stabbed so many times. And the
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  Speaker 1: ambulance wouldn't arrive until an hour later after being found.
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  Speaker 1: So Cecilia Shepard and Brian Hartnell would be taken.
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  Speaker 2: To the hospital immediately.
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  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, Cecilia would succumb to her injuries and pass
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  Speaker 1: away in less than 48 hours after the attack. Although
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  Speaker 1: Brian would survive, which is how we know about all
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: of the details of the attack and what the Zodiac's
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: appearance was. And the fact that the knife looked horrible. homemade, almost,
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: according to the police report. And while in the hospital,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Brian would be interviewed, giving us the insight into the
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: mind of someone who believed themselves to be dying.
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: At the beginning, I did think I was going to die.
• 16:45
  Speaker 10: And so from that moment on, one has to have
• 16:47
  Speaker 10: certain goals that you have to set.
• 16:49
  Speaker 6: The first goal, of course, was to live.
• 16:53
  Speaker 10: I suppose the second goal was to get untied. The
• 16:58
  Speaker 10: next one was to get help. From getting help, getting
• 17:01
  Speaker 10: to the hospital. You have to have a successive.
• 17:04
  Speaker 6: Set of goals. And if you can keep this going,
• 17:07
  Speaker 6: and you can keep.
• 17:08
  Speaker 10: Your mind active, whether you die or not, you're at
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: least psychologically.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: Attuned, whether you're in shock or not.
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: If you can keep arguing with yourself, praying, doing anything
• 17:24
  Speaker 10: to keep your mind off of yourself, or at least
• 17:27
  Speaker 10: just not lapsing back and just saying, well, it's no use.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: And you could just tell in that interview that he's
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: just such a well-spoken, smart man. And it's so, so
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: sad what happened to him and his friend, Cecilia. And
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: my heart goes out to the families and victims, obviously.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And to the Zodiac Killer, but we'll get back to it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And at 7 40 p.m., just over an hour after
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: the attack, the Napa County Police Department would receive a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: chilling call. In a calm, emotionless voice, the caller reported,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I wanted.
• 17:58
  Speaker 8: To report a murder. No, a double murder. They are
• 18:01
  Speaker 8: two miles north of park headquarters. They were in a
• 18:04
  Speaker 8: white Volkswagen Karmann Ghia.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: And before hanging up, the caller would claim, I'm the
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: one And this call paired with the writing on the
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: doors of the car would confirm that this was a
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: genuine Zodiac Killer attack. And the police would trace that
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: phone call to a phone booth in Napa downtown, where
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: they would find fingerprints that they hoped would lead to
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer, but unfortunately it did not.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And Cecilia's death.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Would be extremely widely mourned. And her funeral would draw
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a crowd of those grieving the losses of other victims
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: of the Zodiac Killer. Her funeral procession was over 50
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: cars long. And because Brian survived, and even though the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer was hooded at the time, Brian was able
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to give a description based upon what he could see.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: He would describe the killer as a white male between
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: 5'8 and 6'0 with dark brown hair and a heavy set.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: And other clues were found, but they offered no clear
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: path to his identity. But the police would find a
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: size 10 and a half wing walker shoe print and
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: tire tracks at the scene, suggesting a methodical cold-blooded predator
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: who enjoyed taunting his pursuers. And though these three attacks
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: show a calculating mind and the use of a costume
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: obviously indicates some amount of forethought being put into these attacks,
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Brian Hartnell, who was in his hospital bed, didn't believe
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that this man was fully aware of what he was doing.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And this attack would add another layer to the Zodiac's
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: terrifying persona. No longer content with just simple murder, he
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: now introduced bizarre elements to his crimes, leaving both the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: investigators and the public in a state of shock and confusion.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: And one thing that's interesting is the close proximity in
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: time between the second attack and the third attack. The
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: murders of both the couples before the third attack have
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: been in relative close proximity to each other near Vallejo
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: and Benicia, but this time it was different. This third
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: attack would transpire quite a ways north in Napa Valley
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: on Lake Berryessa. And could this large distance have contributed
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to the Zodiac Killer not waiting as long before attacking again,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: potentially thinking himself safe to attack sooner in an area
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: people may be less vigilant?
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: Maybe.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Was his hunger for killing getting stronger as he kept
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: getting away with it? Possibly. It would seem that this
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: would become a pattern as exactly two weeks later, the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer would attack again in the heart of San Francisco,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: which brings us to attack Paul Stein was a part-time
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: insurance agent and a student at San Francisco State College,
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: who was working on the night of October 11th, 1969.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: And he was working a late night shift as a
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: taxi driver, which he did to pay his way through college.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: And this night, his final fare would be hailed at
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: the theater in between the intersection where Geary Street meets Mason,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: and where Geary meets Powell. And the destination for this
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: fair was Presidio Heights, an affluent neighborhood known for its
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: tranquil streets and upscale homes, though the tranquility of this
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: night would be short-lived. The corner of Washington and Maple
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Street were intended for this person's drop-off. But the journey
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: would end a block away at Washington and Cherry Streets.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: The trip would end at roughly 9.55pm, when Paul was
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: shot in the head at point-blank range. The firearm that
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: was used was a 9mm semi-automatic, which was not the
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: same gun used at the attack in Blue Rock Springs Park.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: And this gunshot would be extremely loud, so a gunshot
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in this affluent community would probably not go unnoticed. So
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: across the street, three young individuals would witness this attack
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: from about 60 feet away and watch the following actions
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: of the Zodiac Killer. They would watch the Zodiac Killer
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: go through Stein's belongings in the front seat and then
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: would wipe down the cab with what appeared to be
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: a cloth, like wiping away fingerprints, maybe, possibly, probably, probably,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: most likely, I think. So the police would obviously be
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: quickly called and the Zodiac Killer would not be masked
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: at this point either. They were able to see very
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: clearly the man who eluded capture for so long. They
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: would describe a white man between the ages of 25
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and 30 with a stocky build and reddish brown hair
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: that was worn in a crew cut. He would wear
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: heavy rimmed glasses, not unlike.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: The ones I'm wearing right now. No, I am not
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the Zodiac Killer.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: I wasn't.
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Born yet, and dark clothing, also not unlike what I'm
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: wearing right now. I promise I'm not the Zodiac Killer.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: And this is the description of the Zodiac Killer that
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: would be eventually sketched.
• 22:20
  Speaker 9: Why do I.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Kind of look like it? It's not me.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: It's not me, I swear. And the witnesses would last
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: see the Zodiac Killer heading north on Cherry Street, but
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: unfortunately dispatch miscommunicated the description given by the witnesses and
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: told responding officers that the suspect was a black male.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: How the do you that up? Rather than a white male, obviously.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Perhaps confusing it with the dark clothing. And responding officers
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Donald Folk and Eric Zelms passed a man who very
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: well could have been the Zodiac Killer on Jackson Street.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: But due to the inaccuracy of the information that was
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: provided to them, they obviously never stopped him. They would
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: only realize their mistake later when the correct description was
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: given to them. that they probably missed him by that much.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And there was no trace as to where he could
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: have gone after that. And the man that the officers
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: saw appeared to be older than what the original witnesses
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: described him as, being 25 to 30. They thought he
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: was perhaps 35 to 45, so an updated sketch was drawn.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: And these subtle differences were shown side by side with
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: the original drawing, not differing.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: To too much.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And these are the closest images we have to the
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer in the last 50 plus years. And when
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: the crime scene was secured by police officers, they would
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: find bloody fingerprints on the seat, perhaps missed by the
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer when wiping it down in haste. And Stein
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: would unfortunately be found deceased, slumped over the passenger side
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: of the vehicle with an arm dangling out the passenger door.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: And initially it wasn't known that this was an actual
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer attack. And instead it was believed that this
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: was probably just a taxi robbery gone wrong. Cause Stein's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: wallet and keys were missing when the body was found.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And also what was missing would be a large section
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: of Stein's shirt. Perhaps the part of his shirt was
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: taken as a rag to wipe down the fingerprints. But alas,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it was missing. But not for long, it would be found.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Two days later, on October 13th, 1969, the San Francisco
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: Chronicle would receive a letter from the Zodiac Killer claiming
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: responsibility for the murder of Stein, with the missing portion
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: of his shirt included. The letter taunted the police saying
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that they could have caught the Zodiac Killer had they
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: searched the park, which is such a- slap in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: face like you did. The letter said that they were
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: more focused on who could make more noise rather than
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: catching a killer. So basically just mocking them. He also
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: threatened to kill a full school bus saying he would
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: shoot the front tire and quote unquote, pick off the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: kiddies as they come bouncing out.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Sick bastard.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But despite the description, the fingerprints, and the letters, there
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: has still never been a confirmed identity of the Zodiac Killer.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: And as forensic technology has continued to advance, there has
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: been continued efforts to identify him, obviously. Though most of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the modern attempts to solve this mystery are spearheaded by
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: internet sleuths and people fixated on the case. Ever since
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: the San Francisco Police Department decided to close the case
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: back in 2004. Which brings us to the topic of today,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: which is, my grandfather is the mother Zodiac Killer. Not me,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: it's just the name of the video that the TikTok
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: guy came out with. So now that we have all
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer information, let's get into the TikTok videos
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and claims. So obviously over the years, quite a few
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: people have been theorized to be the Zodiac Killer, whether
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: you choose to believe these speculations or not. But I
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: find only a couple of them are really compelling. And
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I think it's important to analyze these compelling suspects and
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: links between them and the Zodiac Killer. So we'll be
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: looking at these suspects specifically before analyzing the recent development
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in which the Zodiac has seemingly been identified again, this
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: time by his own grandson.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So stay tuned.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: First of the suspects is Arthur Lee Allen. Now, Arthur
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Lee Allen is one of the most prominent suspects in
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer case to date. His potential connection to
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac began with the murder of Sherry Jo Bates
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: in Riverside, California, on October.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: 30th, 1966.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: Allen was reportedly in Riverside that weekend, and police would
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: later discover a, wait for it, royal typewriter, similar to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: the ones used for the anonymous confession letters, in Allen's home.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Triple whammy.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Triple whammy.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: And the letters regarding Bates contained symbols and signs that
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: some experts say are linked to the Zodiac. Although definitive
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: connections were never actually made. So it is all speculation
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and conspiracy, essentially. Alan had a very troubling history, though,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that intersected eerily with the Zodiac's timeline. He was fired
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: as a teacher for essaying multiple students and then moved
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: back to his parents' home, just minutes from the site
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of the first Zodiac killings on Lake Herman Road.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: In December of 1968.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: And this is interesting as well, Alan's brother gifted him
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: a Zodiac watch in 1967, which bore the same circle
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: cross symbol that the Zodiac Killer used in his letters.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: And in the late 1960s, Alan allegedly told his friend,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Don Cheney, about his desire to kill couples, taunt police
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: with letters, and conveniently enough, use the name Zodiac. which
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Cheney eventually reported to police. And these discussions involved using
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: a flashlight to shoot at night, wearing disguises, and even
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: writing a novel about these fantasies. Alan would be questioned
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: by police multiple times, obviously, and became a primary suspect
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: in the Zodiac case. And in 1971, he would be
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: formally interviewed by the Vallejo Police Department and subjected to
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: several search warrants over the years. And Alan would also
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: appear in interviews where reporters would literally ask him point
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: blank if he was a Zodiac killer, which he would
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: always deny.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: Are you the Zodiac killer? No, definitely not. No, I
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: couldn't murder anyone.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: And the physical evidence found during the searches of Alan's
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: property would include a typewriter similar to the one that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac used to write those letters, bomb diagrams, the
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and letters threatening school children, which if we go back,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: we saw that letter about the kids in the school
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: bus and how he would take all of them out
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: as they came bouncing out of the school bus. I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: don't even want to remember it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: To be honest.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Allen would also have a shoe size of 10 and
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a half, which we saw in evidence earlier as well.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: There would also be matching prints found at the Lake
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Berenice crime scene and would own a knife similar to
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: the one used in that attack as well. And there
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: are also further connections made between Arthur and the Zodiac
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: Killer that led people to believe he was responsible as well.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: If you were to rearrange the symbols at the bottom
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of the letter the Zodiac wrote about the film The Exorcist,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: it spells Lee, Arthur's middle name, also mine, which I
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: don't like. Spelled differently though, so it's fine. I think
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that's kind of a stretch, but I digress. And in
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: the letters written about Cherry Bates, there was a strange
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: looking character at the bottom of the page, appearing like
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a Z, or Z for you Americans. But some say
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: it's a 32, because there's kind of like a three
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: on top and it goes into a two. And the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: supposed link to Arthur Allen with the 32 is that
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: he was 32 at the time that Cherry was killed
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: and lived at 32 Fresno Street. in Vallejo, California. And
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Cipher, wait for it, would also have 32 characters.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: But despite these circumstantial links, there was no concrete evidence
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to tie Allen directly to the Zodiac crimes. Handwriting and
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: DNA test would fail to conclusively match him to the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Zodiac letters. And after he died in 1992, Allen's house
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: would be searched again. And authorities would find intriguing items,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: but they would find no confession or definitive proof of guilt.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Which like, I don't know, you look at the handwriting
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and stuff and it's like, he could have changed it.
• 30:02
  Speaker 11: Why wouldn't he change it up a little bit? I
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: can change my writing up pretty soon. pretty easily, man.
• 30:07
  Speaker 11: Like what kind of police work is that? I know
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: it is, but still, it's just, I don't know. There's
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: a lot of connections there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: I know it's kind of like off with him, like
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: doing those things to children and then randomly like killing adults.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: And maybe his friend just wanted to be famous for
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: knowing the Zodiac killer and saying that he confessed to
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: them and stuff.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of weird coincidences, like circumstantial evidence. I'm
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: not sure, but we'll get into the rest. So ultimately,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: while many, elements of Allen's life and actions aligned with
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac's crimes, the evidence remained inconclusive. And looking at
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the police reports when Arthur Lee Allen was arrested for
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: his crimes against children, it's clear he was a monster.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: He would lure.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Children into the bedroom of his trailer before performing SA
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: acts on them, reportedly saying things like, I know you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: don't like it, but I'm just a nasty man.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I hope.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: To God, you're rotting in hell, you filthy, disgusting, nasty
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: piece of shit. So obviously Arthur was a monster, but
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: was he the monster? We don't know, but that brings
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: us to our next suspect, Richard Gajkowski. Gajkowski would serve
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: in the army as a medic, learning skills that might
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: have been utilized in the Zodiac's crimes, such as using
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: torn clothes for bandages, homemade weapons, etc. This detail is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: one that links Gajkowski to the Zodiac tearing a piece
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: of Paul Stein's shirt during that one attack, though in
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: that instance, the shirt wasn't necessarily used as a bandage.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Instead, it was used to claim.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: That murder later on. So Gajkowski would be arrested and
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: would spend 38 hours in jail back in October of
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: 1965 for refusing to sign a traffic citation. And he
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: would do this while working at the Morning News Gazette,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: which was a local newspaper. interesting, to write a story
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: about the conditions of county jail from an inmate's perspective.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And the circumstantial evidence is that during the time of
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: this arrest, he lived five miles from the site of
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: the first attack. So by 1969, Richard would be working
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: for a different newspaper, The Good Times, not so good times,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: which was basically an anti-establishment, anti-police, and often a pro-violence
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: publication that had published diagrams to build bombs. Good times.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: And in January of 1969, he would publish a fictional
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: story about a revolutionary group called the Berkeley Revolutionary Committee
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: for Business, which engages and humiliates the combined police forces
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: of the Bay Area of July 4th, 1969, the same
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: day that the Zodiac's second attack would transpire. And the
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: story also talks about police frantically searching suburban areas for
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: bombs and booby traps. Good times is also found in
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac's letters, though not used as a proper noun
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: indicating a name and more so referring to The Good Times.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: And further circumstantial evidence shows that the address for the
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Good Times switchboard was only a couple doors away from
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Paul Stein's address. Also, an article from the Good Times
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: about donating books to the switchboard's address next to Stein's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: home is a shortened version of Richard Gajkowski's name to
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: four letters.
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: Gajk.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And this is linked by some to a cipher by
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac. Which, when solved, is a letter about how
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac will not reveal his name. With a similar
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: sounding four letters, Gike. And perhaps a more compelling piece
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: of evidence would be that Nancy Slover, a police dispatcher
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: who actually spoke with the Zodiac Killer when he called
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: to reclaim the responsibility on July 4th, has identified the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: Zodiac's voice as Richard's.
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  Speaker 9: Hi everybody, it's Nancy again. I'm back. I listened to
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: the voice of Richard. I felt shocked and deja vu.
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: In my opinion, he was the same person who I
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: listened to in July of 1969 or when.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: And we, of course, don't actually have a recording of
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the call that Nancy had with the Zodiac Killer, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: there is a recording of Gajkowski talking about code breaking
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: in relation to the Zodiac's messages.
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: The whole thing about a code, you've got to remember also,
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: once a code, until a code is broken, you have
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: never any way of knowing whether it's a real code
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: or whether it's just a fake code.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: So what's that mean?
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: Oh, it just means that sometimes, you know, like the
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: military and all of that, sometimes you would send garbled
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: messages that meant absolutely nothing so that you get the
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: enemy to spend all their time trying to break the code.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And you can compare that to when someone claiming being
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac called into a live TV broadcast talking about
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: having headaches ever since he killed a kid and continued
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: to kill children.
• 34:59
  Speaker 12: Just tell us what's going on inside you right now, Sam.
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: Please. I have headaches.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: How long have you had those headaches, Sam? In a
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: long time?
• 35:11
  Speaker 13: Since I killed a kid.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: If it all boils down to the question of you're
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: giving yourself.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Up, if you could be assured that you wouldn't.
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: Get capital punishment for myself.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: I don't want to give myself up.
• 35:22
  Speaker 13: I want to kill those kids.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: So what's happening?
• 35:27
  Speaker 13: I want to kill those kids.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So what's happening?
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: I want to kill those kids.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: And the voices don't really sound the same, meaning potentially
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: one of the following is true. Richard isn't the Zodiac.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: The person that called the TV broadcast isn't the Zodiac.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Or neither of them are the Zodiac. Just a lot
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: of unanswered questions and frustration.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And creepy f * * * ing dudes.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And whether or not you find enough evidence to pin
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Gajkowski to the Zodiac killings, investigators would never find enough
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: to suspect him, so... So those are basically just two
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: more interesting examples of people who are suspected to be
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer, though the claims would never be verified
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and have not been verified. But there are, of course,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: other people who have had their name associated with the Zodiac,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: with some even being alleged in the past few years.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Gary Francis Post, for example. Gary Francis Post was identified
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: as a potential candidate for the Zodiac back in 2021,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: when casebreakers, a group of former cops, forensic analysts, and
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: private investigators specializing in cold cases came together. They claimed
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: that the DNA obtained from a hiking mat belonged to Post.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: bore strong similarities to the DNA recovered at the Zodiac
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: crime scenes, as well as sharing a resemblance to the
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: sketch drawings of the Zodiac. They also alleged that he
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: had secretly been a suspect since 2016. And Thomas J. Colbert,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: the founder of Case Breakers, which I love, they're like
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: the Avengers of cops, would be in an interview with
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Fox News. My FBI guys say it's irrefutable. It's a match.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: though the FBI contact was never named. And the FBI
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: has never confirmed Post as an actual suspect, despite the
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: claims that he secretly was. In fact, the FBI has
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: even countered this claim by saying it's actually still open
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: and there's no new information. So, so much for the Avengers.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: There were also claims that Gary Francis Post trained a
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: posse of killers to whom he claimed was the Zodiac.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And this accusation that Gary is the Zodiac is even
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: believed by Gary's former neighbor, who had been babysat by
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Gary and his wife. And this claim that Gary could
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: potentially be the Zodiac Killer essentially boils down to the
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: fact that he had a scar on his head and
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: that the Zodiac Killer potentially had a scar on his
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: head as well. And they also shared the same shoe size.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: I looked up to Gary's post as an uncle. I
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: used to cut his hair.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I spent nights at his house.
• 37:55
  Speaker 14: For others like Gwen, who grew up with Gary and
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: his wife Mary babysitting her, after a revelation from a
• 38:02
  Speaker 14: 2018 conversation, there's no question in her mind Post is
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: the man some suspect him to be.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Post would also live near the area of murders and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: owned firearms as well. But in America, near San Francisco,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I think if those are the criterias for guilt, there
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: might be over a thousand Zodiacs out there, probably tens
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: of thousands of Zodiac.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Killers out there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: And on YouTube, there are videos attempting to debunk the
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: idea that Post was the Zodiac at all. And one
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: of them is a guy named David Gold saying that
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Gary couldn't have been the Zodiac because he knew guys
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: who were the Zodiac.
• 38:38
  Speaker 12: You guys know that I'm telling you Frank Morris and
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: the Anglin brothers were the Zodiac killers because I knew them.
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Strangely, it does seem that a lot of people claim
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: to have known the Zodiac Killer, and one such person
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: took to TikTok to share that they were even related
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: to the Zodiac Killer.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: Potentially. Let's get into it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: But first, we'll start at my story. Caleb and I
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: were just scrolling through our FYP on TikTok in the
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: morning as we do most, most mornings or nights. And
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: this man comes across the TikTok and his name is
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Jay Foy. And me having not thought about the Zodiac
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: since the movie had come out years and years.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Previous, great movie, you should check it out.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: This man started to explain how he believes his own
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: grandfather was the Zodiac Killer. And that just tickled my fancy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: It made the hairs on my neck stand up and
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: my pores open up and my butthole. Needless to say,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I was interested immediately.
• 39:36
  Speaker 7: My grandpa is the mother Zodiac Killer.
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: I want to start off by saying this is not
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: just based on physical appearance. I typed in my grandpa's
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: name on Google the other day, and to my surprise,
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: internet sleuths have been throwing my grandpa's name around for years,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: connecting him as the Zodiac motherf * * * ing killer.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: As you can see here in all these pictures on
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: the screen somewhere, that, it looks exactly like my grandpa.
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: My grandpa was a Vallejo police officer, yes, the same
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: area where the Zodiac killers... Killings took place. Darlene Farron
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: and her boyfriend, Micah Mack, forgot the guy's name, were
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: driving around Vallejo one night, the night that my grandfather
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: happened to be on duty, driving an unmarked police car
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: and wearing plain clothes.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: First of all, I just want to say that his
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: TikToks and his cadence in his TikToks sounded like he
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: was laying down the dopest rap song I ever heard
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: in my life. He like hit beats. He hit beats.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I was just listening like this.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what the?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: I was into it.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But basically he states that internet sleuths were throwing around
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: his grandpa's name, stating that he could be a potential
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: serial killer. Since like 2016, people have been talking about
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: his grandpa's name, which is Richard Hoffman. And there are
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: quite literally forums about Richard Hoffman being the Zodiac Killer,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: which is very interesting. I know you watched some of
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: the TikTok that I just put up, but he is
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: kind of all over the place. So we jump cut
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: a lot and tried to get to the point, but
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: I think he was just fueled with pure passion and
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: amazement from his findings.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: So I don't blame him.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So this might be a little bit confusing, but bear
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: with me. All right, bear with me. Stay with me.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: Stay with me.
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: Brie.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: So he would show some pictures of his grandfather next
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: to the Zodiac Killer, and he would bring up how
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Richard Hoffman, his grandfather, was a police officer at the
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: Vallejo Police Department as well, the same area where the
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: murders were happening. And in the Darlene Farrin and Michael
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: McGough story from Blue Rock Springs Park, he talks about
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: when they were driving around, a car was supposedly following
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: them the whole time, almost patrolling.
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: Them, something that police officers do.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: Ooh. I don't know.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: And this was the same night that his grandfather was
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: supposedly on duty as well, doing his own patrol in
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: an unmarked car and wearing civilian clothes. And after being
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: followed around, they pulled over into the Blue Rock Springs
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: parking lot where the killer's car would pull alongside them.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And the killer would supposedly get out and Darlene would
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: supposedly say, oh my God, that's Richard. He's going to
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: kill us both. And this was all because she was
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: dating a police officer behind her husband's back, calling Darlene
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: a thotty in the TikTok.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: Mike, who ended up surviving the shooting, said that they
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: were being followed around by this car all night in
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: Vallejo before they pulled into Blue Rock Springs. They said
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: when they parked, the car pulled in. A man hopped
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: out of the car and Darlene, the girl who.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: Passed away, said, oh my God, that's Richard. He's going
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: to kill us both.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: Apparently, she was dating a police officer in Vallejo behind
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: her husband's back.
• 42:31
  Speaker 7: She was apparently a thot.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: So this guy in her passenger seat is one of
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: her many boyfriends. And it was well known by her
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: friend group that she was dating a Vallejo cop, although
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: she never told them the name.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And he brings up that this Vallejo cop was known
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: in his friend's circle. And during a party he would
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: show up uninvited and she was absolutely terrified of him.
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: She had a painting party at her house a few
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: weeks before her murder, and it was said that my grandfather,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Richard Hoffman, showed up uninvited, and she told her circle
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: of friends that she is scared to death of him,
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: and he was not invited there.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: But Richard claimed to have never seen this woman before,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: yet she worked at a local restaurant, and he's confused
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: on how his grandpa could have known that if he
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: had never seen the woman before, which is fair.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: My grandpa denies these claims.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: He says he never laid eyes on her, but then
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: later goes on to say, I know that she worked
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: at a restaurant locally here in Vallejo.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: How the f * * * have you never laid
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: eyes on her, grandpa? You tell me about that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: As Mike said, right before they got shot, she said,
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: that's Richard.
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: He's going to kill us both. My grandpa's name is
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: f * * * ing Richard Hoffman.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: And he moves to his next claim of his grandfather's writing,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: pointing out how his grandfather misspells until as until with
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: two Ls instead of one. That's how you spell until,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: in case you didn't know. And the Zodiac also misspelled
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: until with two Ls on two different occasions.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: In a letter that the Zodiac wrote, and my grandpa's
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: police reports, and also this poem that I'm going to
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: talk about later, my grandpa spells the word until wrong.
• 43:53
  Speaker 7: He spells it wrong. He puts two L's at the end.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: Where in multiple letters of the Zodiac wrote, he also
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: spells until with two L's at the mother f *.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: * * ing end.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: And jumping around again, he brings up Sherry Bates' case,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: a murder that happened before Darlene Farron's murder.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: This guy's clearly not a YouTuber.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: He doesn't talk in chronological order, but it's all right.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: I'm here.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: I'm here, baby girl.
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: I'm here.
• 44:14
  Speaker 8: Sorry.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about the Sherry Bates murder that took
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: place a couple years before the Darlene Farron murder.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: He states that she was in a library doing homework,
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: freshly moved from Nebraska.
• 44:24
  Speaker 7: She was in a library doing her homework.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: And why does he bring up Nebraska? Well, his grandfather
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: was from Nebraska, and his mother was born there as well.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, Sherry is found dead.
• 44:35
  Speaker 7: She had just moved from Nebraska. Nebraska, why do I
• 44:37
  Speaker 7: mention that? Because my grandpa lived in Nebraska. My mother,
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: biological mother, was born in Nebraska.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: And underneath the desk at Riverside City College Library, a
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: poem was found. And forensic analysis states that the poem
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: due to the spelling style, is confirmed to be from
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I just got chills.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my God. And to add another weirder layer to everything,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the initials alongside the poem include RH. The initials of
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: his grandfather are RH, as well, obviously, Richard Hoffman.
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: This murder took place, she was at the library studying,
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: one night she leaves and gets shot up, where they
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: found a poem handwritten underneath a.
• 45:16
  Speaker 7: Motherf * * * ing desk.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: And forensic analysis and handwriting analysis say that is the
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: exact writings of the Zodiac, and they say that this
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: is possibly the first killing that the Zodiac ever did. Well,
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: this letter was initialed RH at the very bottom.
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: RH, Richard Hoffman.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: And the poem, for those of you who want to know, is.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: Sick of living, unwilling to die.
• 45:36
  Speaker 9: Cut.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Clean, if red, clean, blood spurting, dripping, spilling, all over
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: her new dress. Oh well, it was red anyway. Life
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: draining into uncertain death. She won't die this time. Someone
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: it find her. Just wait till next time.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: That is a terrible poem. I wouldn't even snap for
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: you in slam poetry, you fuck.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: Sick bitch.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: So doing some digging according to the case, the poem
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: was found by a custodian six months after the murder
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: on October 30th, 1966. A month after the murder, two
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: identical type letters were received at the RPD headquarters and
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: editorial offices at Riverside Press Enterprise. And these letters describe
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: in detail the details of the murder, stating that they
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: disabled Sherry's car, offered her assistance, and then lured her
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: into an alley to murder her. And then the letter
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: also describes that they only had one thing on their mind,
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: making her pay for the brush offs that she had
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: given me during the years What a petty asshole. This
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: is linked because the authors of these letters almost bragged
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: to the editorial offices about the murder, which the Zodiac
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: did frequently in his letters. However, it could just be
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: a jealous love interest who's dead set on revenge, because
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: most serial killers do brag about their killings. But anyway,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: the link between them stated that they were insanely similar
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: to the Zodiac. And on March 13th, 1971, the Zodiac
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Killer would claim to the Los Angeles Times that he
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: was indeed responsible for the murder of Bates, stating.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I do have to give credit for stumbling across my
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: Riverside activity, but they are only finding the easy ones.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: There are a hell of a lot more down there.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: And he's absolutely blown away that no one is linking
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: his grandfather to the murders since those initials are literally
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: the same. And he would share a photo of his
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: sister and his grandfather as well. And he would continue
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: to give some more background on his grandfather.
• 47:42
  Speaker 7: Let's talk about his character.
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: My grandpa's character, he was known in my family to
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: be controlling, manipulating, and also unfaithful to my grandmother.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Just a right piece of shite. A right piece of shite.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: With so much evidence also pointing back to him, yet
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: people don't believe it. However, he states he can't really
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: do much about it because his grandfather has passed away.
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: Aww.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Sounded like such a great guy.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And people were, you know, rightfully unconvinced because, I mean,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it's a guy on TikTok saying that he claims that
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: his grandfather is a Zodiac killer. Everybody wants attention on TikTok.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Those TikTokers, am I right? Crazy, crazy. But he would
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: give us even more evidence and even show a clip
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: from a documentary with his grandfather speaking. And for some reason,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: it's really funny. weird but him talking about her bra
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: fluttering almost like a like a poem was so weird
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: and creepy.
• 48:35
  Speaker 12: During the ride to the hospital and of course her
• 48:40
  Speaker 12: shirt or sweater whatever she was wearing was off and
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: each time that ambulance attendant blew air into her chest
• 48:50
  Speaker 12: there was a little piece of material from her bra
• 48:55
  Speaker 12: that I could see fluttered with every breath he blew
• 49:00
  Speaker 12: into that girl.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Ugh!
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: What the f * * *?
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And he would also show a clip from the same
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: documentary where the name Richard is brought up from the
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: man who was with Darlene, Michael McGow.
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: A friend of hers not to worry about it. He
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: was just jealous. That's all she said about it. He
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: was just jealous. She never mentioned his name, but she said.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Somehow Richard Darlene, Michael McGough.
• 49:11
  Speaker 13: So he states that Richard was brought up and that
• 49:13
  Speaker 13: he had a mean temper. And if he found out
• 49:16
  Speaker 13: that they were together, he'd kill them.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: He did. He tried.
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: He did.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: He killed one of them.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: So.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: This is looking interesting. It looks interesting.
• 49:48
  Speaker 5: It's in.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Hmm. But he does clarify from some of the hate
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: comments that he isn't bragging about the murders or the situation.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: He does seem pretty genuine in watching it. He was
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: just informing everyone. Because it is really interesting. He's literally
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: pretty much the most infamous serial killer of all time. So, like,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: it is extremely interesting information, especially if it's somebody in
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: your family.
• 50:10
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: I would say the same.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Not like wanting to claim that, because I would be
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: kind of embarrassed to have the same blood as that.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: I think anybody would, really. That's why people change their
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: names that are related to serial killers, you know? So
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it seems kind of weird that people are hating on
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: him for that, because there seems to be actual, tangible, uh,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: albeit circumstantial evidence, but I digress. And he says also
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that he didn't even have a relationship with his grandfather.
• 50:34
  Speaker 7: So first, I'm not excited. I'm not happy. I'm not thrilled.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: I'm not proud. A lot of people in the comments
• 50:39
  Speaker 7: are thinking that I'm proud. I am shocked.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: My jaw's on the floor and I'm simply sharing information
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: with you guys on the internet.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: Because he was and he hated his mother.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Me and my grandpa did not have a relationship after
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: the age of nine. I spent damn near every Christmas
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: there at his house up until I was nine when
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: my father got custody of me. He would have my mother,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: he would have my grandmother and his children, my uncles
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 51:02
  Speaker 7: And I learned that later growing up in life. He
• 51:04
  Speaker 7: hated my mother. He did not like my mother.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: And going back to the statement about him talking about
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: the bra fluttering and J-Foy talking about how His grandfather
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: liked to talk in poems and so did the Zodiac Killer.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: He feels that they both align in the same writing style,
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: which is fair. Not a lot of people talk in
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: poetic terms, I don't think, unless you're living in like
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: the 1800s or some shit, I don't know. And he
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: adds to this too, the spelling errors that his grandfather
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: makes is also the spelling errors that the Zodiac Killer makes.
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: And according to research, the first two Zodiac letters contained
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: multiple funny spelled words. So you can see the Zodiac
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Killer's funny spelled words and Richard Hoffman's, funny spelled words
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: And this detail is constantly brought up by J.
• 51:44
  Speaker 8: Foy.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: He stated that his grandfather hated spelling and crossword puzzles,
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: but loved math, and he was also a woodworker. And
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: he states that his grandfather worked in the juvenile division,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: wearing plain clothes and unmarked cars on the night of
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: Darlene Ferren's shooting. So could this link to the description given,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: since the assailant from Michael's story was in plain clothes
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: in a normal car?
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: Maybe.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: But his division, the juvenile one that he was talking about,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: was basically meant to stop kids from fighting or hanging
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: out too late. Basically like soliciting. And there was no
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: activity about a half hour beforehand when he was patrolling.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: So it's very, very suspicious that he didn't see anyone there.
• 52:21
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: It's weird. So he found these kids at a park
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: that were soliciting, basically. He was in that division, so
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: it was like, part of his job. I don't know.
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: It's kind of weird. It's all weird, dude. I don't know, dude.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: And now we are in part four of his stories,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: bringing up one of the Zodiac's poems.
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: So I found this poem written by the Zodiac, and
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: in this poem, it uses the phrase.
• 52:44
  Speaker 7: Titwillow, Titwillow, Titwillow.
• 52:46
  Speaker 15: Well, Titwillow happens to be a song written by Mikado.
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: It states Titwillow, Titwillow, Titwillow three times. This is the
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: title of the song written by Mikado.
• 52:56
  Speaker 15: And in that song lyrics, there happens to be a
• 52:59
  Speaker 15: mention of Dickie Bird right here. Also in this poem
• 53:04
  Speaker 15: by Mikado, The Tip Willow, that's the title of it.
• 53:07
  Speaker 15: It states when describing a man who's passing away that
• 53:10
  Speaker 15: he gargled out blood.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: So where does this tie in exactly?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Well, Joe Foy states that his grandfather gave a description
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: of the scene saying he was gurgling in pain.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: Interesting.
• 53:23
  Speaker 12: There was a young guy down there laying on his back.
• 53:28
  Speaker 12: Obviously had been shot. He was reaching up towards me
• 53:31
  Speaker 12: or the flashlight I was holding, kind of gurgling, obviously
• 53:36
  Speaker 12: in pain.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: And maybe he's combining the Zodiac's love for poems with
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: to the Richard using a description of a victim gurgling
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: as a reference?
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: And he does state that that may be a reach,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: and I think it is kind of a reach, but
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: he does give more evidence. The Dickie Bird portion stating
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: that a code word left at a bottom of a
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer's signature. It happens to spell the word, which
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: is another name for someone named Dickie. Richard, you got it.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because in the section before it states
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: that it could be spelled Lee, the other suspect that
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: we were talking about before, Arthur.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: So it really just.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Could be nothing. Like when I was looking at this,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: you could rearrange it in literally any way. So I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: feel like this is a bit of a stretch. But
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: if we actually read the full letter of the Zodiac here,
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: we learn he was referencing the Mikado poem. In act
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: two of the Mikado poem, it reads, now I feel
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: just as sure as I'm sure that my name isn't Willow,
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know what it means, dude.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: I don't f * * * ing know. And these
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: reference the.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Portion signed, Yours Truly, with the blank name, then referencing
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: this poem. Pretty much, it's just a very long-winded explanation
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: for the fact that he wanted to reference the Mikado poem,
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: which states his name isn't Willow, and that Joe Foy
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: sees the code could be signed as Dick with Dickie Bird,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: referenced in the Mikado poem. But it literally could mean nothing. Again,
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bit of a stretch, but And
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: the rest of the TikToks do have a story kind
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: of coming to an end because bigger projects are on
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: the way to spread his story in a more produced
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: type of way, which I think will be extremely interesting.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll have an update video, but I think
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: it's time to kind of combine the facts and try
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: to make it make sense. So let's do it. So
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Richard Hoffman was a man who worked in the Vallejo
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Police Department and he was on the scene of the
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: shooting of Darlene Ferris and Michael McGough. And he not
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: only was on the scene in an unmarked police car,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: but was in civilian clothing as well. This was also
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: his division and he was in the area. But according
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: to his reports, he saw nothing suspicious in the area. Also,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: I would just like to note as well that she
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: saw a flashlight going into the vehicle and thought it
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: was a police officer. So I kind of want to
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: safely assume that maybe, I know it wasn't said, but like,
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: It's just a weird thing for just a civilian to do.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: It's a very police-y thing to do. So it just
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: makes me kind of wonder, you know? It makes you
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: kind of wonder. I don't know.
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: I don't know.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I digress. Let's continue.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: And to add to it, the descriptions of the Zodiac
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Killer from the sketches looks oddly similar to Richard Hoffman.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Oh, it really does.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: He's just old here.
• 56:31
  Speaker 8: Odd.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, look at him when he's young. I just want
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: to believe. I just want to believe.
• 56:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: And Richard Hoffman, in an interview, states that he never
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: actually knew the girl. Yet, according to Michael McGough, he
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: states hearing Darlene mention Richard, the same Richard that could
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: have supposedly showed up uninvited to that party where she
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: was super scared of him. and feared for her life.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: He also knew a man that she was with was
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: possibly a Vallejo cop, and Richard was a Vallejo cop.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: And a payphone only two blocks away from the Vallejo
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: department was the payphone that was used by the Zodiac
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Killer when he called in, and Richard was a cop
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: at this exact same location. Richard Hoffman also had bad spelling,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: as did the Zodiac Killer. Richard was also a crazed man, supposedly,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: according to Joe Foy, stating he was a and the
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: family didn't like him at all.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: These could be.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: Aligned with how serial killers act towards their family members,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: distant and and other similar tendencies, but then on the
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: other side of the coin, they could seem completely normal
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: on the outside and be completely horrific.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: To strangers basically. So again, it's a stretch.
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: And the evidence of the strange writing under the desk
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: labeled with the initials RH, the same initials that Richard
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: Hoffman has, obviously, Richard Hoffman, RH, who was supposedly in
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: this location at the exact same time. So all of
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: these facts lead him to be a potential suspect for
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac. And the fact that he could have worked
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: as a police officer would have given him easier access
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: to guns and to be undetected. So the descriptions match,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: some evidence leaves questions, and it seems to me that
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: some of the stories brought up by Joe Foy the
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: TikToker should not go completely unignored. Was his grandfather the
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Zodiac Killer? It seems without more direct evidence and searching
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: through his now-dead grandfather's belongings, the suspicions may just be that.
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: But apparently with him working on this future project, maybe
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: investigators can bring these clues together. I'm really interested to
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: see that. And the final answer to the long awaited
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: question of who the Zodiac Killer was can be answered
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: and hopefully put to rest. But until then, that is it.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: That is the video, that is the deep dive on
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: the Zodiac Killer and potential Zodiac suspects and also all
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: the new theories collected by Joe Foy. I'm very interested
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: to see if something comes out about this. I will
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: absolutely keep you updated, so stay here. Stay here.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Just stay here.
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: This is nice.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: This is great.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I know you're here for a long time. Did you
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: make it to the end? If you did like the video,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: and also tell me below, spell until with two L's if.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: You made it to the end of the video.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: But yeah, he's a piece of shit, the Zodiac Killer,
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: and all these guys that we're talking about, basically. I
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: hope they're all rotting in hell.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: And until then, I'll see you beautiful face in the
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: next video.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: All right, bye.