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Cyclamen Gardening... Tips with Matt Mattus · Garden America Saturday

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Garden America, the country's most listened to gardening show,
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  Speaker 2: Well, well, look at us, look at you.
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  Speaker 3: We are back again, Garden America, back on the air
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  Speaker 3: looks good so far, Tiger Palafox, I'm Brian Maine, John
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  Speaker 3: tuned into the show as well. And John is here
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  Speaker 3: with Well. John, your mere presence brings joy and happiness
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  Speaker 3: to everybody, not just because it's Christmas, but a year round,
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  Speaker 3: and for that we thank you. See this is exactly
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  Speaker 3: what I wanted. He's flustered.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not.
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  Speaker 4: I'm only flustered because I can't bring up the show.
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  Speaker 4: I know there's a way to bring up the ship.
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  Speaker 2: I've got.
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  Speaker 3: I've got a red pull over Tiger's got kind of
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  Speaker 3: a teal green shirt going, and you have what's that gray?
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  Speaker 4: Would you say that you get the Uh, this is
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  Speaker 4: all I can get. I'll just hand hand my phone
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  Speaker 4: to tell Okay, Tiger's going to fix it. Hey, we
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  Speaker 4: are back. Thank you to those that are tuned in
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  Speaker 4: right away. Happy holidays, Happy holidays. We're a happy fest
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  Speaker 4: of us. First of all, John was going to bring
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  Speaker 4: the poll in today, but is it in your car?
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  Speaker 4: Did you forget it? I brought in a check instead.
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  Speaker 2: You did, didn't you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? The Poles are nice people though, right right, he's
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  Speaker 4: waiting out in the hallway for us.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, Tiger got your phone back on.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: So how is everybody? I know you can't. I'm asking that.
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  Speaker 3: I am throwing it out there to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I brought you.
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  Speaker 4: Brought you both Christmas presents, by the way.
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  Speaker 2: You did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I know I was a little surprised, but well,
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  Speaker 3: how early you brought them?
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  Speaker 4: Because here's the bad news is we're not here in
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  Speaker 4: the next two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we might as well break it to you right
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  Speaker 3: now instead of waiting for the end of the show.
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  Speaker 3: We were gonna be off next week, but it looks
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  Speaker 3: like two weeks and then we come back for the
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  Speaker 3: new year, tan rested and ready and very.
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  Speaker 4: Refreshed, mainly because Tiger has commitments.
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  Speaker 2: That's true, It's Tiger.
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  Speaker 4: That's what happens when you work with someone who has
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  Speaker 4: a family.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, when if you're and Tiger's smart enough, and those
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  Speaker 3: men out there who have been married for a long
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  Speaker 3: time or past forty, when your wife requests something, you
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  Speaker 3: do it. You don't question, you don't say no, you
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  Speaker 3: don't just say sure, of.
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  Speaker 2: Course, you know what.
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  Speaker 5: But it's great that I have the support from you guys.
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  Speaker 5: Because it was funny because I threw it out there
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  Speaker 5: to John first because we were texting about I think
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  Speaker 5: a phone call that we were having this week and
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  Speaker 5: he's like, hey, are we I can't remember the days
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  Speaker 5: that were off, and I'm like, well, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: had this one planned, but this one also, And he's like, oh, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you might. It's better that you go do that. You
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  Speaker 5: better go spend some time with your wife's family.
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  Speaker 4: He Janine wants to visit her mom, Yeah, so you
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  Speaker 4: should probably go with her.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly you know boom, And then Brian's comment was, well,
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  Speaker 5: tell her it'll be a nice trip.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know we should be on the driveway and wave.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, back to the presence I brought because one was
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  Speaker 4: I had given you guys some row seats to see
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  Speaker 4: what you could do, and I think you you could
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  Speaker 4: not do anything very degrees to success, but the eventual
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  Speaker 4: outcome was not much. So I grew some seats from
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  Speaker 4: that same batch, and I brought you and Tiger each
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  Speaker 4: a rose from that group of seedlings.
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  Speaker 5: So now have you seen it bloom yet?
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  Speaker 4: I know that they're both singles, okay, but it was
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  Speaker 4: really I haven't seen how they grow, and that one
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  Speaker 4: actually might be yours, Tiger, I'm not sure, because I
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  Speaker 4: think one might have a tendency to be a climber. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: But they are seedlings of Manhattan blue, Okay, so they'll
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  Speaker 4: they'll probably be shrub roses or climbers. But they're unique.
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  Speaker 4: There's only one of each of those in the world.
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  Speaker 4: So if they turn out to be nice roses, you
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  Speaker 4: guys can I'll help you register them and you can
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  Speaker 4: name them.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever you want. They have to have the same name,
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  Speaker 3: the same name. Aren't you given it the same rose? No,
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  Speaker 3: they're different, No, they are different.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well they're both seedlings rose, but they're completely different.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that works.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know the name of my road, you
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  Speaker 3: know what's going to be completely different.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good name, completely different, that is, that's not
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  Speaker 2: a bad name.
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  Speaker 5: What if you named mine's going to be the individual.
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  Speaker 4: What if you named a rose after the title of
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  Speaker 4: a book, what would the book be the name of
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  Speaker 4: the rose?
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  Speaker 2: The book is the name of the rose.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, did you ever read that book? No?
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  Speaker 2: I thought you. I thought you were going someplace else with.
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  Speaker 4: That's the the name of U.
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  Speaker 2: It was a movie.
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  Speaker 4: It was a good movie. It was Sean Connery and
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  Speaker 4: and who is the Christian Slater?
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  Speaker 5: Do you remember the movie with Christians Later and Sean
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  Speaker 5: Connery And it's called the Name of the Road.
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  Speaker 3: So one's Australian and one is Welsh. Right as far
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  Speaker 3: as their cultural background.
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  Speaker 4: I believe you, Okay, But anyway, it was it was
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  Speaker 4: kind of a mystery, I think, a mystery about people
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  Speaker 4: being murders taking place in a monastery somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: It was.
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  Speaker 4: It was kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess a lot of rainfalling in San Jose.
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  Speaker 3: Tanya saying right now, how much rain in Capitals. Really
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  Speaker 3: planning on twenty seven for holiday party today, but just
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  Speaker 3: canceled concerned about family driving from far away. Wow, is
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  Speaker 3: that headed our way? Usually storms come come come south
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  Speaker 3: an any wood, John, I have.
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  Speaker 5: Not seen that.
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  Speaker 4: We had rain. We had rain yesterday, right right, you
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  Speaker 4: guys said some too. It wasn't that much. I don't
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  Speaker 4: think no, But it's spit. It's so far it's a
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  Speaker 4: little too dry to my liking.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It's very dry. It is very weird.
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  Speaker 5: We normally have a bit more rain than what we've
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  Speaker 5: had so far. And also it's been I feel warmer
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  Speaker 5: than it normally is like usually, I feel there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot more chill.
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  Speaker 2: It's cold in the morning though it is on the
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  Speaker 2: get go.
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  Speaker 4: Oh really cold. Yeah, at least up by my home.
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  Speaker 2: How low did you get?
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  Speaker 4: How loo can you go?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's limbo. I'm talking limbo.
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  Speaker 4: I think the coldest we've had so far as thirty nine.
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  Speaker 5: It's a good tymp. It's funny. I'm popular to drive
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  Speaker 5: out to Crest, you know, east of Alcohola out there
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  Speaker 5: the other day and you know, I leave San Diego,
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  Speaker 5: pass SESU, get through Le Maysa area, get into alcoholm Valley,
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  Speaker 5: and I start seeing frost on all the roofs out there.
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  Speaker 5: I mean it's crazy because I didn't see frost anywhere
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  Speaker 5: in San Diego, but I saw it on all the
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  Speaker 5: roofs out there in Alcohol. And it just shows you
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  Speaker 5: the temperature change. And that's a fifteen minute drive, you know.
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  Speaker 5: But to have frost on a roof here and then
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  Speaker 5: no frost on a roof there.
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  Speaker 2: John likes to call those micro climates.
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  Speaker 4: Like that word. I lived my whole life in micro.
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  Speaker 5: Climates on his own property too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, we have a new guest joining us this morning.
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  Speaker 5: Matt Mattis is the senior director at the Horticuled Senior
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  Speaker 5: director of Horticulture for the American Horticultural Society. Say that
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  Speaker 5: ten times fast. Yeah, we're going to try that exactly.
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  Speaker 7: Matt.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome to the program.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, now, Matt, just for our listeners, where are
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  Speaker 5: you joining us from right now?
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  Speaker 6: I am joining you from Worcester, Massachusetts, So just thirty
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  Speaker 6: miles west of Boston. Okay, eighteen degrees.
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  Speaker 3: Now for those eighteen degrees. Now, I know, Matt, that
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  Speaker 3: the way you pronounce it and the way it's spelled
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  Speaker 3: sounds different, So go ahead and spell that for our listeners.
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  Speaker 6: Wo R e E F E R like worcestershare. Although
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  Speaker 6: here you know, knowing that we have an accent in
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  Speaker 6: Worcester is well known for its Worcester accent.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really at the Worster accident, the Worcester accent.
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  Speaker 6: I like it.
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  Speaker 5: It's eighteen degrees right now, is it snowy?
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  Speaker 6: Rainy?
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  Speaker 5: Sunny?
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  Speaker 6: It is sunny right now. We're expecting snow Sunday night.
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  Speaker 6: We have about three inches on the ground.
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  Speaker 5: Oh wow, okay, so you guys have been getting some
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  Speaker 5: weather for sure. So so Matt, tell us a little
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  Speaker 5: bit about your history before we get into our topic
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  Speaker 5: this morning.
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  Speaker 6: Sure. Oh my history is I think kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 6: I certainly have been a gardener and intense. Horticulture is
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  Speaker 6: my whole life since you know, I was five years old.
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  Speaker 6: I live on the same property my grandparents owned at
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  Speaker 6: the turn of you know, in like nineteen oh six,
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  Speaker 6: the same house. So we've always garden here in my family.
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  Speaker 6: My grandparents did so. I worked, however, not in the
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  Speaker 6: horticulture trade. I worked at Hasbro Toy Company, basically like
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  Speaker 6: an elf, as a toy designer for thirty years.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Did you design any toys that we might be familiar with?
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yes, my little pony, I worked on transformers. I
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  Speaker 6: certainly worked a lot on Furby.
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  Speaker 5: Well, what was that movie back in the day? Was
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  Speaker 5: it big or there was one where somebody worked in
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  Speaker 5: like a toy factory? Oh big, Yeah, it was big
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  Speaker 5: right where he made toys. So is that kind of
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  Speaker 5: like what you did.
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  Speaker 6: As grow in New York City? So I started just
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  Speaker 6: about the year that came out.
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  Speaker 4: Oh that's so fun, interestingv with I'm trying to Robin
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  Speaker 4: Williams called toys.
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  Speaker 5: And that's when where it was like a competing toy manufacturer. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I love that one too. Yeah, that's that's crazy. So
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  Speaker 5: so that that's your history, is designing, designing and creating toys.
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  Speaker 6: Huh yeah that was I mean, it's not even my passion,
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  Speaker 6: but I felt I really probably wouldn't make money working
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  Speaker 6: in the nursery trade or allowed me allowed me to
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  Speaker 6: have a nice class screenhouse, but also like the things
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  Speaker 6: I want to grow, but have a fun job.
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  Speaker 5: And now you said you live on like a family
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  Speaker 5: property like this, This property has been in your family
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  Speaker 5: for many generations.
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  Speaker 4: Same house since nineteen oh six.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, do you mouning? California has always seemed to
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  Speaker 6: like that snocked New England. We're probably the newest house
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  Speaker 6: on the street, no way to you know, the sixteen hundred.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: So nineteen oh six was the same year the San
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  Speaker 2: Francisco earthquake.
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  Speaker 5: Just as perspective, Yeah, it's it's four years before the
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  Speaker 5: nursery was founded here in San Diego.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: R Yeah, nineteen ten.
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  Speaker 4: Now Matt lives in the new house down the street.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Now, Now, Matt, I have to ask you, because it's
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  Speaker 5: been in multiple generations this property, and you're that, you know,
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  Speaker 5: in being from a kind of a gardening family, are
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  Speaker 5: there things that you that are that have been done
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  Speaker 5: on the property and you're like, ooh, I wish Grandpa
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  Speaker 5: wouldn't have would wouldn't have planted that tree there, or like,
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  Speaker 5: you know what, what were they thinking when they were
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  Speaker 5: doing this?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely I had My dad has seven brothers, so
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  Speaker 6: they all lived here and one of them was the
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  Speaker 6: landscapeiner in the twenty So the bones of the garden
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  Speaker 6: are good. It's pretty formal. There's a goldfish pond that's great,
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  Speaker 6: this long stone path. It sounds fancy, but it's really
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: the typical residential neighborhood two acres. But yeah, there are
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: trees that have planted that we that are, you know,
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: one hundred feet tall. There's a lot of shape. But
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: the funniest part I guess is that like in junior
• 15:58
  Speaker 6: high I planted trees that were three feets from the
• 16:01
  Speaker 6: house that are now maybe have a twenty four inch
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: runk that I probably shouldn't have planted.
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Hey, that's a rookie mistake. We've all made
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: it one time or another. Too close to the house.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Look at those roots and look at the sidewalk coming up.
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, So it's more me making mistakes. I think.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: Oh, okay, so you're the one creating the problems.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: I remember that thinking in high school. Well, this five
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: gallon kinko is so cute. Yeah, I've been a planet
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: of my parents.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: I'll never get that big yeah yeah, right right.
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: So so, Matt, you know, a big reason why we
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: had you join us on the program is because you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: this time of year, I mean maybe not necessarily where
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: you are, but some other parts of the country, you know,
• 16:47
  Speaker 5: they're they're dealing with their winter flowering plants. You know,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: here in southern California we have that season. You know,
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: a lot of portions of the West, in portions of
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: the South. One plant specifically that we're starting to see
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: in the market a lot is cyclement, and you know
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: those grow in a wide variety of areas, and they're
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: actually a lot hardier. I mean, people think of cycloman
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: and they look very soft, succulent. They think that they're
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: very sensitive, but they're pretty hardy. Planning. You have some
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: knowledge on cyclman, so we wanted to bring you on
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: and kind of share with our listeners some things that
• 17:22
  Speaker 5: they can be planting right now. So out where you live,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: what time year do you guys grow cycling?
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: Well, we have well cycleman here are barely hardy, but
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: it's the So cyclement are interesting and I do I
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: collect them. They're twenty four species, you know, give to
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: take twenty twenty four, mostly all from let's say the
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: Mediterranean the Middle East, and they're about half of those
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: are tender, meaning they don't want to freeze at all,
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: so above thirty degree, above thirty two degrees and then
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: the other half there are they basically like to be
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: let's say in the twenties, so maybe go down a
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: little low. So there are some that are hardy where
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: I live that I could grow outside and anywhere across
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: the country. If it's own five zone six, you probably there.
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: You know, there are probably four or five that you
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: can grow, depending on how wet your winter is. But
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: where you are, you're really in sort of cycling inland
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: or it maybe maybe San Francisco is up to Seattle.
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: But the more tender ones you certainly can grow outdoors there,
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: certainly in San Diego where you know it doesn't drop
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: below thirty two, does it not?
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: In San Diego Maybe in some of the parts of
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: the mountains when but like not not in Sandy Purpose.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: Right, But all those of all those other species, right,
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: they're all pretty much collector plants. So if you're a
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: plant geek and you know you know about these, if
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: you're in like the Rock Garden Society or you're an
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: alpine plant and you have they're not something you're going
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: to find that you know, your regular garden center or
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: a florest or even the supermarket. The ones that you
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: find out the holidays are all one species. So that's
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: all cyclement purse to come from the stink of persia
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: right from it's a tender species. It's the one that
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: doesn't want to freeze, maybe can handle a touch or
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: frous you know, it's the ground does increase. But that's
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: what you're seeing planted outside your hotels in La or
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: you know, even in Vegas if it's a cool winter
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: and they naturally bloom this time of year. The short
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: these short of short day length days.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, hey, hey, Matt, we are going to have to
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: take a break right now. When we get back, we're
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: going to continue chatting with Matt Madison. We're going to
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: be talking about some of the winter flowering plants.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: In those on Facebook Life. Of course, questions are comments
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: for Matt right there in the comments section. As we continue.
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: The boys are back in town. Brian Main, John Bagnascar,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: Tiger Palafox, thank you for joining us, and also those
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: on BIS Talk Radio back.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: After these messages. Speaking of BizTalk radios.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: Wait, welcome back to the Garden America Radio show with Brian,
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: John and Tiger.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: We'll believe it or not, and I think you should
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: believe it. We have returned. John.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: It was touch and go during that break Biz Talk Radio,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: Facebook Live. But we are back. Mattis is our guest,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: and Tiger let's we're just getting started. Before we go
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: on further. We have a point of clarification. You wanted
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: to order cycloman off the internet, as I recall, and
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: it came in a little package, and I told you
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: that you spelled it wrong. It's not cycle of mates.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: It's cycloment that you want to Oh, that's what they
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: took out of Fresco back in the day because they
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: said it caused cancer in laboratory rats.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: So it is different.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: This is knowledge on random things is phenomenal.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Matt.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: I saw I'm trying to think. We were in the
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Slovenian Alps and I saw a cycloman growing wild are
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: and they were the smaller varieties, so I'm not sure
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: the species.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: I bet you you know what it was.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: And they were extremely fragrant, and I'm wondering are some
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: of the species more fragrant than the person coums.
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: It's so good you brought that up. There are a
• 21:17
  Speaker 6: few species that are very fragrant, especially in that area,
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: are pure essence as there maybe a sudo ibericum, these
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: super long names. But it's so interesting you brought that
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: up because the person coom that you're finding now. Readers
• 21:33
  Speaker 6: in Germany and Holland have been recently playing with the
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: genetics and introducing some of that fragrance in some of
• 21:40
  Speaker 6: the wild species. So I usually go to florist now
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: and I'll smell my cyclemen. See even out of a
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: pack of the ministier ones, you know, you see on
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: a bench, two or three are going to smell like
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: nutmeg or Lillia valley. Yeah, and I think in the
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: future you'll start seeing more and more fragrant ones. They're
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: building that in with the newest cultures coming out, Yeah,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: so that they can be somewhat frankrant. I wouldn't say
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: they're super super interesting fragrances.
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: Now, Matt, also, can you give us a little bit
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: of clarification on you know, what is a cycling because
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: as I mentioned before, it's it's a little bit confusing
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: in the sense of a lot of people see them
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and they think that they maybe they're an annual because
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: they only come out, you know, during this time of year.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: But then they're kind of very fleshy, almost succulent like.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: And then like we talked about, like they can grow
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: in alpine rock gardens and you know in the Mediterranean.
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: So is it is it an annual? Is it a
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: perennial bulb? What is a cycloman?
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: A cyclelane is, but technically it's a perennial and it's yeah,
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: and I agree, it's really confusing, especially just sort of
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: like an average homeowner a cycloment up the store and
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: you buy it thinking of them as a bulb plant.
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: It's not technically a bulb. It's a tuber, right, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: the tuber always sits halfway on the surface like an
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: m rol is, halfway in, halfway out. Generally speaking, in
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: the wild, sometimes they pull themselves down deeper into the ground,
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: but it has that sort of water storage argan. It's
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: that sort of severe shaped object that goes that goes
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: dormant for half the year, so it's designed to be
• 23:16
  Speaker 6: their growing in areas where there's usually all half the
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: year is wet and half the years dry. So like
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: all bulbs, they have a dormant period, so they're challenging
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: to grow. As home you might always tell people to
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: try and keep your your sort of fluorocyclemen as a
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: toss the egg gift plant, you certainly could try and
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: keep it over, but even in my greenhouse, it's hard
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: to keep these hybrid the hybrid person to come over.
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: The pure species is easier, but it's not unnormal. Don't
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: think you did something wrong. After three months the leaves
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: are yellow. Yeah, that's that's natural. Also, you know, especially
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: where you are, they don't like heat. Yeah, so you
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: know if they're if it's too hot or too sunny,
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: they can wilt. And once they will to try out,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: they suffer. There's really sensitive to that. So they like cool, cool,
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: damp conditions, not too wet, not too dry. It's that
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: sort of goldielock.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: And and as you kind of mentioned, like a lot
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: of people will see these in a grocery store floris,
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: and they buy them, and they they bring him home
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: and they think they're almost house plants. And and that's
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: that's like the kiss of death, right because like you say,
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: they like it chili, and nobody keeps their house at
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: sixty five degrees, you know, and and you know they
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: like it to be damp, and nobody keeps their house humid, right,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: So it's like you know, they keep they bring him inside,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: they put them in the living room coffee table.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: And then they wonder what happened a week later. The
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: thing's croaking.
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: Exactly here in the north or anywhere across the country.
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: In the north, if it's cold winter. They do great
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: in a cold window sill, so a sunny, cold window
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: sill in the winter. But yeah, they're not along the
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: plant put the florist ones, I mean the species ones.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: They definitely will not live in a house. They want
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: to be like in my cold greenhouse where it's thirty
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: eight degrees all winter.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: They love that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, these these floorest ones here, I think they're
• 25:07
  Speaker 6: probably easier to keep indoors in let's say New England
• 25:11
  Speaker 6: or like Iowa North if you have a cold window
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: or cold bedroom that's not heated, that would be ideal
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: for them. But if you have a hot, dry apartment,
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: it's more challenging. You know, think of it as a
• 25:23
  Speaker 6: three weeker.
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: What what time of year do because as you mentioned,
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: they do go dormant, which their dormant time is you
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: know into what does the spring and summer? When do
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: they emerge again? What is their season cycle?
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're pretty magical actually, So I have a glass
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: greenhouse I keep. It's a cold greenhouse and it's thirty
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: eight to forty degrees is what the thermostat is said at.
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: So the cyclemans stay in the year round. They stay
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: in year round in potts. I really do nothing to them,
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: and so all the species, even you know, the wild
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: species of the ones that you would buy a florists,
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: get the same treatment. Their bone dry all summer, which
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: is amazing, the totally bone drigs under glass. And then
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: when as soon as here in the Northeast we get
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: cool nights in August and September, and that's when the
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: rains would start here. That's when the rains would start
• 26:15
  Speaker 6: in the Middle East too, and that's when the rains
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: would hit in the Mediterranean, so they like that Mediterranean cycle,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: you know, maybe in parts of California that way. So
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: they're totally dormant. It's just this bulb sitting on top
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: of a pot or halfway in the soil until the
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: flower buds start emerging in late August September, depending on
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: you know, the nights are getting longer, the temperature at
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: night is getting colder, so those are all the signals
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: right for the plants start growing, and then they start.
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: Most of them bloom in October. Most species there are
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: only a couple and person come as one of them
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: that blooms in the winter, and then most of them
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: are grown. For the foliage if you're a collector because
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: the foliage is so beautiful. Is about may you know,
• 26:57
  Speaker 6: when it starts to get warm here in the north,
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: but where they are in the wild, it's always good
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: to look right where a plant grows in the wild
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: and see what conditions it gets. So like Syria, Turkey,
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: Tunisia where these all grow in the mountains, it becomes
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: a hot, dry summer again, and that's when they just
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: yellow up and dry and they do nothing all summer.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: And you and you brought up a good point that
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: you know, we talk a lot about the cycling in
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: flour because it's striking. You know, the colors are vibrant.
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: It's kind of unique. Nowadays they're coming out with all
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: kinds of different style blooms, you know, with different color combinations.
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: But at the same time that foliage on the plant itself,
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: you know, large or small, very some variegation to it.
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: There's a mix of greens, purples, white, silvers, yeah, all
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: of it that you know, the plant itself, you know,
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: kind of like what people would do with like a
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: hasta or something like that, right where they buy it
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: for the foliage as well.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: It's not just the bloem, right collectors love the foliage,
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: summer arrow shape, the wild species, the selections of the
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: wild ones, and especially in England or in Germany and France,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: there are a lot of collectors. There's a cycloment society.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: You can google and you'll see these photos of people
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: mostly post pictures of the foliage.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Tiger.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: John and Newport Beach commented on our Facebook page that
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: his neighbor in Newport Beach plants hundreds of red and
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: white cycleomen at Christmas.
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: Just replants them every year, yep, and then takes them
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: out and then really.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if he takes them out, but it
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: just says that it makes a great dramatic Christmas display.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: It's striking, you know. And Matt, I mean, what about that,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: Because we do see these massive displays of cyclemen this
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: time of year. Could people here in California leave them there?
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: And then would they do that again year after year?
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: I don't think they would survive through. I mean, what's
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: pretty unpredictable there. I'm not clear. I mean what they
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: would want is a dry let's say, a dry shade,
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: semi shady summer rest.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Uh huh.
• 29:13
  Speaker 6: So I would imagine there are places in California where
• 29:15
  Speaker 6: you could grow them, certainly northern California.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, New Park Beach would be right there on the coast,
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: so you have the.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, yeah, I.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Think coastal area. I think it would depend on how
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: much they don't want any rain or moisture in the summer.
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: So if you had a freak rain for a couple
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: of weeks.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: That might throw off sometimes, so we don't have any
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: grain in the fall or winter.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: So so Matt, we're going to take a break in
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: a minute. But when we get back from break, I
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: have this question because you mentioned that, and so basically
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: I think cyclemen would need to go into a bed
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: that they could go completely dry through the summer months,
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: so not even in bed for irrigation. But we'll get
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: to that question or that answer after we get back
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: from the break.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: All right, do stay with us, obviously we'd love you
• 29:59
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• 30:01
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• 30:04
  Speaker 3: got a couple of things going on, Tiger, I should
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: say John. John is monitoring the questions there. Carla's got
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: a question. We'll get back to all that and more
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: after we take a break. As Tiger mentioned back with
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Matt and again we thank you for joining us. This
• 30:16
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• 30:19
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• 31:16
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• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Tiger.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: So before the break, I was asking Matt about how
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: to grow cyclemen in a garden situation and maybe have
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: them come back year after year. And you know, part
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: of the criteria, Matt, is that area has to stay dry.
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: So you know, in a bed that you were constantly irrigating,
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: or a bed that you had other plants and where
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: you're watering them through the summer months, you couldn't have
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: the cycloment in there because they were they'd be staying wet,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: right so are their companion plants for cyclment in are
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: there plants that could grow during the summer months or
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: do you just have to leave this area barn.
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, their companion plants for the cyclement if they're the
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: species cyclomen like. The most common one is the ivy
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: leaf one, which would be head a folium. That's very common.
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: It used to be sold at all the spring flower
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: shows across the country, but they were wild collected tubers,
• 32:35
  Speaker 6: but now you can purchase them at micro Nur's reason
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: and whatnot. So many parts of the country can grow those,
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: especially like Seattle and them to Vancouver and the East coast,
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: probably down to North Carolina where they propagate and they spread,
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: and you'll see pictures in England of them, you know,
• 32:52
  Speaker 6: underneath a tree, just spread by because they're spread by sea.
• 32:55
  Speaker 6: But they so they could handle maybe like a summer
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: thunderstorm those areas. But then it dries out again because
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: you grow them basically like you would grow any ephemeral
• 33:07
  Speaker 6: wildflower that's in a deciduous forest where it's basically dry.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: In the summer, there's a little moisture, but not like
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: a soaking rain of stain soaking wet I think. I
• 33:17
  Speaker 6: know there's some collectors see it in San Francisco that
• 33:20
  Speaker 6: cover their beds maybe in the summer if they felt
• 33:23
  Speaker 6: they were getting too wet.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, perst to.
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  Speaker 6: Come is a little different though, the floorest ones we
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  Speaker 6: most commonly see, I think that's a little more challenging.
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  Speaker 6: And the hybrid ones they're really bread to be, you know,
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  Speaker 6: a one time deal.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, so you plant it, you enjoy it, and then yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if you leave it.
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  Speaker 6: In there in the midst online and we probably horned
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: people if you just google, like what cyclement and you're
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: going to see you know, some blogs will say, look,
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  Speaker 6: you can take leaf cutting. I have no idea what
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  Speaker 6: has started, but you cannot take a leaf cutting. So
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  Speaker 6: it's like I think they're confusing them as the African violet.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you can't divide the bulbs either. No, they're
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: not really above they're tubers. They're all seed rays, all
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  Speaker 6: the ones that you find in the trade, like at
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: any Florista garden center. They're all seed rays. Maybe a
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  Speaker 6: few of micropropagated, but no one's going to do that
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  Speaker 6: at home. Well, it's a long crop. It's like nine
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  Speaker 6: months to get one to bloom, so that's why they're
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  Speaker 6: often pricey.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I remember I was up at a plant production place
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  Speaker 5: here in Fallbrook plug Connection, and I remember seeing a
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  Speaker 5: cycloman tray and it's so cute, these little, these little,
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  Speaker 5: these little mini because they you know, like you said, Matt,
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  Speaker 5: they produce them from seed and this company produces I
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: don't know if you. Plug Connection is a company that
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: produces plants from seed and then they ship them out
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  Speaker 5: once they've been germinated to grow.
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  Speaker 6: Finish plug growers. Yeah, that's how they do it, and
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  Speaker 6: I mean that's how they save time. So you know,
• 34:54
  Speaker 6: like there's a plug grow and a line of grower
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  Speaker 6: and all basically are different sized pots of my time.
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  Speaker 6: A it's to you know, your local garden center. It's
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  Speaker 6: probably passed through three or four growers to get to
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  Speaker 6: that point. And sometimes those are done in other countries.
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  Speaker 6: It's a big business in South America or Africa, and
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  Speaker 6: they're sending them here as plugs. Yeah, but there are
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  Speaker 6: some exciting things to cycling, and there's some amazing forms
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  Speaker 6: coming out. You know, there's super super miniature ones and
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  Speaker 6: there's probably six or seven sizes you can get now
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  Speaker 6: and there, and these are also the florest once again
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  Speaker 6: and flower forms coming this year. This week I bought
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  Speaker 6: some may have upright flops they look like petunias.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And there's there's heat talent ones now for your area.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 5: But it's funny because you know, when you go into
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  Speaker 5: like these plug companies, like half the time you can't
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  Speaker 5: ever tell what the plant is because it's just like
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  Speaker 5: this little miniature plant.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: What is that?
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: But a cycloan looks like a cyclo, but it's just
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: a little baby one, you know. So it's kind of
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  Speaker 5: kind of fun to see them, and like you said,
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  Speaker 5: like the leaves are amazing on them as well.
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  Speaker 4: Heker, what was the one you brought in here? Maybe
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  Speaker 4: it was a couple of years ago where the it
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  Speaker 4: was a downward facing flower like most cyclemen, but the
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  Speaker 4: back of the petals, Oh, he had a particular pattern
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  Speaker 4: to it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember that.
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  Speaker 5: I can't remember the name, but Matt, it was like
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: it was like it was pedaled and it almost like
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  Speaker 5: a like what we would call like a single blossom
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  Speaker 5: flower versus like the cycleman is like a tulip. But
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: it was just so there's just a lot, so many
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  Speaker 5: unique ones out there nowadays that when you go into
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: a nursery now it's more than just the red and
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: the white, right totally.
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  Speaker 6: The one you're talking about, it just came out a
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  Speaker 6: few years ago from the Netherlands and it al was
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  Speaker 6: just like another five petals on the back in a
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  Speaker 6: different color, right, Yeah, contrasting. Yeah, those are fantastic.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's so much fun, so much fun stuff, you know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: you know, Matt, you know the you know, aside from
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: cyclemen this time of year, you know, you you know,
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  Speaker 5: there there are other plants that do bloom in the wintertime.
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  Speaker 5: What are some of the things that that also bloom
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  Speaker 5: this time of year that you know people can get
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  Speaker 5: excited about.
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  Speaker 6: Well, primroses are a good one, and primrose is a
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  Speaker 6: huge family. In fact, cyclomen are botanically primroses. They're they're
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  Speaker 6: in primulation, which seems crazy sometimes to think about, but
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  Speaker 6: they are. But they grow under similar condition. So certainly
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: in the West Coast you'll see a number of species
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  Speaker 6: or like interspecific, like different species crossed together. Permroses that
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  Speaker 6: make great winter plants to plant out that love cold weather,
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  Speaker 6: certainly hate the hot weather, and again a short bloom period,
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  Speaker 6: but good for masking out or and containers or window
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  Speaker 6: boxes during you know, when you're getting your coolest temperatures,
• 37:45
  Speaker 6: there's some campanula that you'll see in small pots sold
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  Speaker 6: now to put in with them.
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  Speaker 5: And then you know, some other kind of tips and
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  Speaker 5: trips to the tips and tricks, tips and tricks. Since
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: cyclemen and primrose are kind of very short season, do
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  Speaker 5: you recommend any kind of fertilization or is it just
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  Speaker 5: kind of grow it out and then that's it.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, no need to fertilize. They're both weak spears anyways.
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  Speaker 6: A cycleman keeping the greenhouse I repot every five years,
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: you know, so they're pretty much getting most of what
• 38:22
  Speaker 6: they need from let's say, rainwater. They're not they don't
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: need high fertilizer, and certainly primos is don't.
• 38:29
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• 38:33
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