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Issue 372: The State of Star Wars · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the ned Palty. Hi.
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  Speaker 2: This is Nick and Astasu, story editor on Star Wars,
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  Speaker 4: say hey, have you heard aggressive negotiations? And they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: want to hear this topic John, because we were batting
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  Speaker 4: around ideas.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we do that from time to time. Yeah we do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: People only knew how much we talk even though we
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  Speaker 4: live thousands of miles away. It's funny. But one of
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  Speaker 4: the things that we were kind of discussing in this
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  Speaker 4: it kind of is tangentially connected to the fact that
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  Speaker 4: The Acolyte just ended. Of course, we got the trailer
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  Speaker 4: as well for Skeleton Crew coming out. We know that
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  Speaker 4: they're filming the Mandalorian Grogu. We got Wind from Dragon
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  Speaker 4: Con from I can't remember her name who plays Sabine.
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  Speaker 4: I believe her name is Natasha something. That they're going
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  Speaker 4: to be shooting season two of Ahsoka after they finish
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  Speaker 4: Grogu and Mando film, which I think is in the summer,
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  Speaker 4: And of course we know and Or season two is
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  Speaker 4: coming out next year as well. So with all of
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  Speaker 4: this in mind, it kind of just led me to
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  Speaker 4: be thinking and us to be thinking just kind of
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  Speaker 4: the state of Disney Star Wars, and so I guess
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  Speaker 4: maybe the best way to start is kind of like
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  Speaker 4: judge where we are just now and what's come out.
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  Speaker 1: That's fair, that's fair.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing is is we were talking about this,
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  Speaker 3: I started thinking about it.
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  Speaker 1: If I may, I'm going.
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  Speaker 3: To go off on a little rabbit hole here before
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  Speaker 3: we really start the meat of the discussion here where
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  Speaker 3: we get into our personal takes on certain sorts of things,
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  Speaker 3: because I really want to pose this to you that
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  Speaker 3: people get very dramatic and they're like, oh, it's so
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  Speaker 3: terrible to be a Star Wars fan because of this reason.
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  Speaker 3: And then people think it's terrible because there are people
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  Speaker 3: that say it's terrible because of this blah, blah blah,
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  Speaker 3: and people go back and forth online because that's not reality.
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  Speaker 3: To quote so many different people, but most especially William
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  Speaker 3: Shatner in a legendary scient live sketch, it's just a
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  Speaker 3: TV show. Basically, I think that we are experiencing an
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  Speaker 3: odd sort of growing pain.
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  Speaker 1: Growing pain feels wrong, but it's the only phrase I
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  Speaker 1: can think of.
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  Speaker 3: We'rein, we're living through, or have lived through, the transition
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  Speaker 3: of Star Wars from being a singular aw toeur's expression
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  Speaker 3: of worldview into a franchise. And do you think it's
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  Speaker 3: possible that a lot of the online vitrio we see
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  Speaker 3: going back and forth is because people are having trouble
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  Speaker 3: resetting themselves to understand that it's inevitable that when you
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  Speaker 3: become a franchise franchise like this, it's inevitable that you're
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  Speaker 3: just going to have to accept that there are things
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  Speaker 3: you really like and things you don't like, and things
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  Speaker 3: that you like that other people don't and vice versa.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I think that's a really salient point. And like,
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  Speaker 4: because I was thinking about this as you're talking us, Like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, one of the differences between Star Wars now
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  Speaker 4: and then was that when the films were coming out,
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  Speaker 4: they were coming out every three years, and then there
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  Speaker 4: was a long wall of course between the original trilogy
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  Speaker 4: the prequel trilogy. The only thing that fans had to
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  Speaker 4: go on was the EU and video games. So when
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  Speaker 4: you think about now, I mean, it's it is a
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  Speaker 4: very different milieu that we're in. I mean, because we're
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  Speaker 4: in the business of milking franchises. I mean that that's
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  Speaker 4: just what these big corporations do. We've seen it with Marvel,
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  Speaker 4: We've seen it with DC, and you know, you've seen
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  Speaker 4: it with every single franch I mean, gosh, the Alien franchise,
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  Speaker 4: John for some reason, is still going. So I think
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  Speaker 4: your point is incredibly well made there, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's a great place to just kind of start that
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  Speaker 4: conversation because I do think we're you have to be
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  Speaker 4: in that mindset that with all of the content that's
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  Speaker 4: coming out in the Disney universe now, for something like
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars, I'm probably not going to like it all
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  Speaker 4: because it's not all under the same banner in the
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  Speaker 4: sense that it's not being made by George Lucas, who
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  Speaker 4: is firmly ensconced at the top, and everything that came
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  Speaker 4: out was through him, and now there are remnants of
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  Speaker 4: him and his teachings as per on how to make
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars that we've seen and we could I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: we'll get to that, but no, I think you're one
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  Speaker 4: hundred percent right to actually bring that up that yes,
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  Speaker 4: we are in a different place where Star Wars is
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  Speaker 4: not going to be something that I just like all
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  Speaker 4: the time.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that Additionally, there's an aspect to all
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  Speaker 3: of this where it's silly to think that everybody loved
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  Speaker 3: everything that was released in the EU before you and
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  Speaker 3: I have talked about it, Like when Disney announced that
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  Speaker 3: they were erasing the EU, I almost I almost took
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  Speaker 3: gleeful pleasure in taunting people about it because I had
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  Speaker 3: hit a point where I was done with the EU.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, this has gone too far.
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  Speaker 3: But do you think it's possible that the trouble now
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  Speaker 3: is that Disney finds itself in turning this franchise into
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  Speaker 3: a true franchise model. But by doing that, it takes
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  Speaker 3: away the personal connection that people have. Like I could
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  Speaker 3: choose to read or not read, or ignore or accept
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  Speaker 3: anything that came out in book format or game format,
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  Speaker 3: but I could, especially you mentioned video games. I could
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  Speaker 3: put myself into.
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  Speaker 1: The video game.
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  Speaker 3: I could believe that that was me up there, that
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  Speaker 3: I was playing along, And I could even ignore the
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  Speaker 3: Force un Leash too, which was one of the most
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  Speaker 3: god awful game sequels ever created. No disrespect intended to
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  Speaker 3: anybody that worked on it, but that that one didn't
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  Speaker 3: pan out too well. So do you do you think
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  Speaker 3: it's just that everybody's been.
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  Speaker 1: Used to.
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  Speaker 3: Having that outlet of relating to Star Wars on a
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  Speaker 3: very personal level. Now that's put in an arena where
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  Speaker 3: some of that personalization is taken away for their experience.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think you're right, and it really does
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  Speaker 4: come back. I think we're both just coming at it
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  Speaker 4: from from a slightly different angle. But the idea of
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  Speaker 4: like Star Wars itself was a very personal enterprise because
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  Speaker 4: you know, it is so wrapped up in who George
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  Speaker 4: Lucas was and is and the people who helped him
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  Speaker 4: create it, right, you know, I mean there's bits of Lawrence,
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  Speaker 4: Lawrence Kasden in there. You know, there's bits of his friends,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, you can see little moments of where
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  Speaker 4: Spielberg might have had influence or you know, like but
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  Speaker 4: it's it's all very much wrapped up in who George
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  Speaker 4: is and his influences as well, which you know Dave
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  Speaker 4: Filoni has talked extensively about, especially in a recent interview
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  Speaker 4: he did on a podcast where he said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if you're going to make Star Wars, you have to
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  Speaker 4: study George Lucas, and you have to study the things
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  Speaker 4: that that George Lucas loved. But you know, if you're
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  Speaker 4: going to make Star Wars, He's like, you not only
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  Speaker 4: have to have to watch Star Wars, but you need
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  Speaker 4: to watch American Graffiti and THHX one, one, three eight,
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  Speaker 4: and then of course you probably need to watch the
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  Speaker 4: films that he was most inspired by, like the Kurrasuit
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  Speaker 4: type of films and those type of things. And so, yes,
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  Speaker 4: I think you're your pinpointing of the idea that Star
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  Speaker 4: Wars was an incredibly personal thing makes sense because you know,
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  Speaker 4: just we're just going to focus specifically on what's been
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  Speaker 4: on screen. This does not negate the work done by
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  Speaker 4: people who have brought things into comics or in book form,
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  Speaker 4: which we have mentioned copious amounts of times in the show.
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  Speaker 4: You know, things like Timothy Za's new series that he
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  Speaker 4: did with the thron ascendency in those type of things, right,
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  Speaker 4: But so Force Awakens, Rogue One, the Last Jedi Solo
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars Story, The Rise of Skywalker, Ahsoka, Mandalorian Book
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  Speaker 4: A Boa Fett Obi Wan Kenobi, and or the Acolyte,
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  Speaker 4: Season seven of the Clone Wars, Tales of the Jedi Rebels,
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  Speaker 4: Tales of the Empire Vision Season one and two, Resistance
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  Speaker 4: Forces of Destiny. So all of these things have come
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  Speaker 4: out under the Star Wars banner. And what I mean,
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  Speaker 4: what was it ten years ago, twelve years ago or
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  Speaker 4: whatever that they bought.
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  Speaker 3: Twelve Yeah, twenty twelve, and we're recording this in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, so it's twelve.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: So all that content, though, has come out in the
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  Speaker 4: last twelve years when specifically, you know, you think of
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  Speaker 4: what you would have gotten under George Lucas, maybe where
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  Speaker 4: you're doing like three films every one film every three years,
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  Speaker 4: we might have gotten maybe six films at most, possibly
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  Speaker 4: if they had continued, maybe just you know, who knows.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean.
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  Speaker 4: In that I think your discussion of the idea of
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  Speaker 4: things being personal, I do think that there are things
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  Speaker 4: on this list where the reason I get the sense
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  Speaker 4: of them fitting with the Star Wars milieu as it
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  Speaker 4: was given to us by Lucas. One is because they
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  Speaker 4: understand those influences like Filoni mentioned, and two because they're personal.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you have to have both. You can't
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  Speaker 4: just have one. It can't just be personal for you,
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  Speaker 4: but you're kind of negating Lucas and it can't just
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  Speaker 4: be you're doing, you know what Lucas would do, but
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  Speaker 4: you're also negating something personal. I think that those are
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  Speaker 4: the two things that you really need.
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  Speaker 3: And the thing that this is my controversial thing. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not opening this can of worms again, but this is
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  Speaker 3: what makes me the outlier is because I think that
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  Speaker 3: there are aspects, for instance, of Rogue one that I
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  Speaker 3: feel are too imitative as opposed to expressive, and that
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  Speaker 3: that's why I've always had more trouble than apparently a
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  Speaker 3: lot of the fan base that love Rogue one. But
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go through that list of stuff and
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  Speaker 3: you're absolutely right with your read of what makes a
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  Speaker 3: project sing or not sing for the bulk of the audience.
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  Speaker 4: Not.
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  Speaker 3: There's always gonna be people that hate what comes out.
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  Speaker 3: People hated the prequels. I grew up with people hating
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  Speaker 3: quote unquote Return of the Jedi.
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  Speaker 1: I had people who hated the thraw on books.
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  Speaker 3: I had friends who hated the idea of them doing
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  Speaker 3: anything after a t like. There was so many things
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  Speaker 3: people have disliked over time or loved over time.
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  Speaker 1: But when you go through.
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  Speaker 3: That list, what drives me crazy is the historyonics that
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  Speaker 3: accompany each new project that come out now, that comes
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  Speaker 3: out now, Because when you go through this list, first
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  Speaker 3: and foremost, look at the number of projects we've gotten
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  Speaker 3: in twelve years. Yeah, so many that I we're going
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  Speaker 3: to get to the point where we forget them. But
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  Speaker 3: then when I go through this list of projects, the
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  Speaker 3: batting average is pretty darn good. Even the stuff I
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  Speaker 3: was lukewarm on, I still like the message. For instance,
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  Speaker 3: Kenobi wasn't crazy about the series overall. It was stretched
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  Speaker 3: a bit then all of these problems, but there was
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  Speaker 3: still a core to it that I could respond to,
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  Speaker 3: So I can see the positive in that. Are there
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  Speaker 3: things I really didn't enjoy? Yeah, I think I was
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  Speaker 3: a little too kind to book a Boba Fett when
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  Speaker 3: it first came out. I really have to give it
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  Speaker 3: a rewatch. I just haven't gotten around to we talked
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  Speaker 3: about the Acolyte and everything like that, And obviously I
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  Speaker 3: had my issues with the sequel trilogy, but Sola Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars Story is one of my favorite Star Wars projects
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  Speaker 3: ever released. Clone War season seven, Tales of the Jedi,
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  Speaker 3: Tales of the Empire, bad Batch for Pete's sake, Good Grief,
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  Speaker 3: bad Batch is some of the best Star Wars that
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  Speaker 3: I've seen in my entire life. And vision season one
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  Speaker 3: and season two there were some positive gems in there
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  Speaker 3: because they did something a little different. They stretched for it,
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  Speaker 3: they went for it, they went for something crazy. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: I'm on board, But do you think it's it's just
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  Speaker 3: a product of the way everybody's wired now that they
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  Speaker 3: don't understand. Like, I look at this list, and again
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  Speaker 3: there were books that I loved and books that I hated.
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  Speaker 3: There was a point where I tapped out, but I
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  Speaker 3: still read some of them, Like I never gave up
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  Speaker 3: on prequel era books. I kept reading those sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, what's your impression of the batting average here?
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  Speaker 3: Can you look at this and be like, you look
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  Speaker 3: at this list, You're like, it's actually a pretty successful
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  Speaker 3: franchise in terms of projects.
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  Speaker 1: That you liked.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like the batting average is probably a
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  Speaker 4: sixty forty, which is not terrible. And you know, you
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  Speaker 4: were talking about the history onics of things, and what
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  Speaker 4: really led me to kind of going down a rabbit
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  Speaker 4: hole in my own mind when you said that was just,
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  Speaker 4: you know, the history of rushing things. And I think
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  Speaker 4: that's one of the things that obviously I think has
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  Speaker 4: hurt Star Wars in that sense, is that they rushed
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  Speaker 4: the sequel trilogy. They were rushing things with Solo, a
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  Speaker 4: Star Wars story, they weren't bringing in I think they're
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  Speaker 4: doing the same thing that Marvel started to do, which
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  Speaker 4: is like we bring in the hip new director, regardless
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  Speaker 4: of whether that they kind of really understand the franchise
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  Speaker 4: or any thing.
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  Speaker 1: Cough taikaw cough.
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  Speaker 4: And and yet, like you mentioned, you've got things like
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  Speaker 4: what that has been done in the animation with I
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  Speaker 4: think of you know, they they they started a little
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  Speaker 4: rocky with Rebels, and Dave found a way to find
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  Speaker 4: his way into that really and and basically take it
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  Speaker 4: over and then do what he wanted to do, and
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  Speaker 4: it became incredible. They finally gave us season seven of
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  Speaker 4: the Clone Wars the bad Batch, tales of the Empire,
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  Speaker 4: Tales of the Jedi. I mean, those all together create
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  Speaker 4: some of the best Star Wars ever. But part of
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  Speaker 4: that and I think, you know, we've praised the animation
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  Speaker 4: over and over again, but one of the reasons I
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  Speaker 4: think that animation really works is that a majority of
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  Speaker 4: the people in the animation department where people who had
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  Speaker 4: been taught by Lucas, and a lot of them that
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  Speaker 4: are still there are acolytes of Lucas, to use that phrase, right,
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  Speaker 4: And because of that, there is the personal investment, there's
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  Speaker 4: the understanding of Star Wars and the Lucasian model, and
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  Speaker 4: you put both of those things together and that's what
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  Speaker 4: makes those stories work right. And so and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's one of those things where, like you mentioned the
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  Speaker 4: Book of Bofetz, I think it's a great example. Right,
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  Speaker 4: Rodriguez definitely cares about the character and loves the character.
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  Speaker 4: But there's a sense in this where it's almost like
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  Speaker 4: a fan who's been given the ability to play with
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  Speaker 4: the toys, but is making up a story that just
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  Speaker 4: makes him happy instead of one that kind of feels
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  Speaker 4: like it fits within the broader spectrum of the saga,
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  Speaker 4: which star Wars is incredibly important in this is that
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  Speaker 4: even maybe more so almost than Star Trek, everything is
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  Speaker 4: meant to ter work together in this universe, and you
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  Speaker 4: can do a lot of different things in it, but
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  Speaker 4: everything needs to really fit together to be telling an
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  Speaker 4: overarching story. And I think this is where it comes
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  Speaker 4: into that when we mentioned all of those things happening
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  Speaker 4: in an animation, I think the key to most of
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  Speaker 4: those and then something like the Mandalorian working or ah
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  Speaker 4: Soka comes down to Falony.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think read there Felony's definitely a thread.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you're more right in pointing that there's
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  Speaker 3: more than just Dave Filoni.
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  Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who are still there.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think that I think that the challenge
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  Speaker 3: is that.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's also possible.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, at this point when we're recording this, I'm
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  Speaker 3: highly confident that the Mandalorian and Grogu movie will come out.
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  Speaker 4: I mean they are filming it right now, so yes.
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  Speaker 1: And then now hang on, anything can happen. But I
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  Speaker 1: think they think.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna fire that director though, you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: I think he's got a real in you know.
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  Speaker 3: At this point, I'm not even ruling out meteorites, okay,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: imperial activity. They could be launching probe droids, what have you.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: But I think that there's a mix here that maybe
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: they're finding their balance, And this is why I'm always
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: hopeful about the projects. I think, let's set aside the
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: history onics of anybody who's starting a petition to save
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: the Acolyte or somebody who thinks that the Acolyte means
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: that Star Wars is dead forever. Let's take those historyonics out.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: They started off movies heavy, and that didn't really work
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: the way they wanted to, and to move it outside
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: of the more painful recent discussions Boca Boba Fett people
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: weren't nuts about, but we don't really talk about it
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: too much anymore. It's in the in the rear view mirror.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's possible that these streaming slash TV series
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: are easier for us to move forward from. So maybe
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: they maybe we're seeing some indication that they figured out
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: the trick is to be streaming series flood. Do the
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: content flood that way, and that way the movies can
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: remain special. And then if you've built this giant universe
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: of streaming series, you've built the guardrails necessary so that
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: when you do make a movie, you've given a very
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: clear map of the boundaries where you can go. It's
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: not Blue Sky anymore. It's we've built the structure. This
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: is the playground you're playing in. If you would like
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: to play a different game, you can also go next
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: door to Marvel, or you can go next door to
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: what other.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Franchises do they own? Now?
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want I don't want to be
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: cruel and suggest the Muppets because they've basically strangled that
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: franchise to death.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But this shots fired.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I know, Disney, come at me, but I'm still mad
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: about the Muppets. I mean, do you think they found
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: the secret sauce that you make the bulk of your
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: stuff streaming and then your movies are once in a
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: while and special.
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, I actually think that they have
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: found the secret sauce, And I think what you're saying
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: is correct. But I'm gonna I'm gonna add to that
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: secret sauce another ingredient, which is they're kind of beginning
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: to give fans what they always wanted. Right these series,
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: especially that are all connected or taking place in a
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: time that fans were always incredibly interested in. And what
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: they're doing is is because you know, the sequel trilogy
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: kind of went one way, they can't really do a
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: lot of things that they might have done, but they're
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: coming at it from a slightly different angle now, right,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: And so to me, that seems to be one one
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: of the things that that they seem to have possibly learned,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: which is stop trying to be cute and just give
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: people what they want, right and because fans will then
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: respond to that, and it's not exactly what we want,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: because I don't think anybody realized what they wanted was
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: baby Yoda until we got it right And and so
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: it's it's this thing where where we're warning fans, but
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: at the same time we're also challenging them, and I
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: think that's the that's the important lesson here. And so
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: to bring this, uh, we're gonna jump real quick to
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: another Star franchise, right, but you just recently watched Startup
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Card season three.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: Brilliant at Terry Metallis deserves medals awards a car it.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Serves to be in charge of Star Trek.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: But yes, and Alex Kurtzman should paint his house as well.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: But right, like The point I'm making here is that
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: that show gave Star Trek fans everything that they wanted
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and everything they knew didn't know they did want. It
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: challenged them, it took things in directions they weren't necessarily
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: expecting all of that. But it was incredibly beautiful to
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: watch fans of Star Trek from all over the globe
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: kind of come together around this show that they ended
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: up absolutely loving. And I think in some ways that's
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: kind of what we're getting in Star Wars. And one
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: of the reasons I had kind of brought this topic
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: to you is because what I see here is that
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: when you have Ahsoka, the Mandalorian, the Book of Boba
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: Fat all playing together, and we know Skeleton Crew also
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: takes place in the same time period, in the same
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: part of the universe that all of those shows, do,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: you know, all of that is working together, and what
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: it seems to be is that they have found their
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: place to truly kind of like push the you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Star Wars envelope forward right now. You know, obviously the
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: other side of that is you have a massive critical
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: hit and an excellent show in and or right, and
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: part of that is again I think the success of
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: that show, the fans of that show, like myself. You know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: that's one of those things where it's like you've got
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: somebody who understands how to craft a truly good story
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: because they have worked on both seasons together from start
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to finish. They know where they're going, they know where
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: they're ending, and everything is working together to craft an
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: entire hole and then it's incredibly well produced. It's one
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: of the best looking shows. It actually is one of
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: the best looking things Star Wars has done to date,
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: and it was a television show, so you know, that's
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: where that's kind of an outlier here. But again, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: think you see, you've got this connecting piece of all
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: of these three shows, and I think the larger aspect
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: of that is the way in which the animated series
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: have now been used to help kind of create the
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: mortar that keeps Star Wars together and is taking the
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: disparate elements, especially from like the sequel trilogy, and tying
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: them all the way back to the prequel trilogy so
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: things feel as cohesive as they possibly can. Well.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're going to set up a connected universe,
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: it has to feel connected, that's for sure. I think
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: that This is what's interesting, because it's an easy trap
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: to fall into to say, oh, you need somebody who
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: quote unquote understands Star Wars, which implies somebody who has
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: been a devoted fan or worked on the SEI on
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: different series or something like that. But we all know
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: by his own admission that Tony Gilroy wasn't really a
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Star Wars guy before he worked on Rogue one, and
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: he still isn't really like a steeped in the lure
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: kind of guy. And I think so long as you
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: have a creative element on the show that does understand
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: that sort of tying together with a larger lure, which
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: in that case seems to be the actor producer Diego
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: Luna on there, So long as you have that voice
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: that says, well, that's a Star Wars e thing, or
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: this is how you make your great idea about how
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: a society falls, or write this great monologue. That's how
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: you can change this word here or there, or couch
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: it in such a way that Star Wars fans will say, oh,
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: this is part of our playground. I think that that's
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: what you need, is you need somebody on each project,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and they can be an actor, producer, They can be
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: just a you know, they can be an executive producer.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: But so long as somebody is is there doing what
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: Lucas did when he was actively involved, which is to
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: be the one to look at it and say, okay,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: but here's how we tweak this, here's how we make
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: it so it fits, and so it's not a requisite
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: that somebody's a huge Star Wars fan. If anything, I
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: think that some of the lessons we should take from
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: some of the projects that have been deemed less successful
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: are that be wary of the person who fancies themselves
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: a big Star Wars fan coming into work on the project. No,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: that doesn't necessarily translate it to I love ice cream,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: you do not want me to make ice cream for you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I love steak, You do not want me to cook
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: your steak. Trust me.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I think that what you're saying here is again incredibly
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: important because one of the things that makes Gilroy great
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: is that the man understands how to write a tight story.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: He understands how to write a great story. He understands
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: what makes stories great, which is was, you know, interesting characters.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: It's the.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: It's the struggle that they're in. It's all of these
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: things right, he gets all of that.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: To use Star Trek as an example, Star Trek Nemesis
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: is kind of a huge dud because Stuart Bair takes
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: out all of the things that make Star Trek Star
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Trek and just creates a generic action film and that
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: doesn't work. Whereas if they had if he had just
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: allowed them to have somebody be there and be like, hey,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: you need to have this, you need to do that,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: you need like that's the thing that Gilroy's willing to do.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: He's willing to have the person say, hey, change that
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: line to this, or hey we need to have this
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: reference here, and and it's like, that's what makes it
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: work is because he is willing to do that, and
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: that's what makes the show great. You have a fantastic
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: plot and characters, and then you've got the Star Wars feel.
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: You put it all together and it creates something magical.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: And you have additionally.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Instances where and I can't ever resist the urge to
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: do this, But you could have something like Star Trek
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: Insurrection where everybody on there love Star Trek, has worked
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: on Star Trek, knows all about Star Trek, and the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: project still goes wrong. Did that mean that I forswore
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Star Trek. Did I did I kick puppies and say
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I'll never watch Star Trek again. No, I said, I
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: wish that movie could have been better. Here's hoping the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: next one is good, exactly. So I think I think
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: that's the thing that everybody should take forward. Is this
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: idea that it's speaking to both sides here, dear side
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: that hates everything cool, that's fine. You can hate it,
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: go nuts, and it's okay. If somebody else loves it,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: and hey, everybody that loves it, that's cool, too, wonderful.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: It's okay.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: If somebody else hates it, it's even okay if they
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: go out and they say they hate it, that's fine.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: Speak your mind and just accept that this is no
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: different than pre Internet era, when somebody would read Tales
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: of the Bounty Hunters and say, what is this garbage,
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: and then run across somebody who said, oh, I love
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: Tales of the Bounty Hunters. That's one of the best books. Okay,
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: you know what, agree to disagree. I said my piece,
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: you said your piece. Let's just be friends and walk away.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's all right. I don't know.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to get like all soapboxy with it.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: But it's just it's one of those things where, seriously,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you look at this list. If you don't like I
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: think their batting average is even a little bit better,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: like a seventy thirty. You think it's sixty forty. I
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: think it's seventy thirty. Okay, if that doesn't work for you,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: if you demand one thousand percent, if you will not
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: cheer for your team unless they win the World Cup,
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: or they win the Super Bowl, or they win the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: World Series, and you will not cheer for your team,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: and that is it. Guess what do what I did
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: with pro football walk away? Yeah, it's cool, bar, that's fine.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: I think it's a great point. And I think one
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: of the things that I guess partly in this discussion
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: and actually thinking about what we would talk about, you know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: for the last few days and even and even in
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: the last week, it's something that had been percolating my mind,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: was that with what's coming out, with what's been greenlit
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: and everything, it almost does seem to me as if
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: because the things that are actually in production or that
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: are actually going to be released, it does seem like
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: almost that it's taken a long time, but they might
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: have finally found some sort of ground to stand on
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: that might be less detrimental than Anakin having the low ground.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: You know, they might have at least found some middle
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: ground here.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: I'll even say this, I referenced Marvel earlier. I would
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: rather have them have a rocky start and then figure
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: it out and then be great for all time afterward,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: or at least be good instead of what Marvel did,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: which was come out of the gate guns blazing, really
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: be great, have a couple of misses here and there,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: but man, that Marvel. They sure know how to make things.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Marvel's untouchable. Everybody's going to spend a billion dollars worth
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: of tickets to see all of their movies. And then
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: Marvel's trajectory, I would argue, And this doesn't mean Marvel's bad,
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: this doesn't mean Star Wars is better as a result,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: as afraid.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: But you can't argue that the trajectories are diverging in
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: a very interesting way here. I would say that Star
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Wars is figuring out how to be a franchise. Marvel
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: started as a franchise, and as I'm more, I'm anticipating
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: Star Wars projects far more than I'm anticipating Marvel projects.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Or to be fair, and I know this might sting
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: because you're a big DC guy DC projects.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Oh no, I am right there with you, man I
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: on the DC front. Unfortunately, you don't know.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Let's agree that no matter how you feel about the
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Star Wars franchise, look at DC and their film franchise.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Let's not complain. Okay, maybe you got a little better
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: than you think you do.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: I think that this is an interesting thing because it
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: really does also bring me back to something Filoni said
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: in that recent interview where he said, you know, the
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: things that people love tend to stay in people's imaginations
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: and really matter, and the things that don't really work
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: tend to get thrown by the wayside. You know. I mean,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: nobody in their right mind considers something like the Star
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: Wars Holiday special cannon, right, And so the things that
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: just don't really kind of work for fans or whatever,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: the things that you know, who knows if they'll get
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: overridden or not, but they're also the things that fans
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: don't really care to see again. And so and I
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: think that's the other thing that we have to kind
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: of remember is when you turn anything into a franchise, right,
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: you have to be working for the middle. In some ways,
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: you're either working to the middle towards fans. That's kind
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: of what you're you're we're working for. But like you
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: said too, we're not going to please every single person.
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: That's just not possible. And so we also have to
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: be fans that are okay with and grown up with
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: enough to be like, hey, you know, I don't like
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: that thing. I think it's terrible, but I'm glad you
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: like it.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: That's great.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: I don't have to and that's cool too.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think that the majority of people are there.
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: I think that another important thing is we're all lost
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: in this hyper online morass of argument right now. Yes,
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: with everything ye and the majority of people they get
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: in their car and they go to work, and even
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: me and even you who loves Star Wars, we live
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: and breathe Star Wars in our brains.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Somebody brings it up.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: At work, people will roll their eyes because I can
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: go on a diatribe where at lunch and somebody brings up, oh, well,
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: you know Star Wars this, and I'm like, well, the
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: thing is, and everybody goes, oh boy, here we go, right,
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: But even I have better things to worry about. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: didn't like The Acolyte, thought it was a poorly made show.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: We're both on record with that.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Do you know how much time I spend thinking about
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: The Acolyte or pronouncing Star Wars Dead? Zero point zero percent.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I have moved on, You have moved on. I can't
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: even remember when the last season of Stranger Things actually aired,
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: but season five is coming up.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right it is.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Vekna will be financing their subprime mortgages and that
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: will be the horror of season five of Stranger Things.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, it's like, let's accept the
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: fact that the majority of people in the world, even
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: people who love or hate a piece of entertainment, they're
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: able to contextualize it and say it's a piece of entertainment.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Know, you know what, that's a great point.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: So there's so many movies I love that will never
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: get love or a sequel or anything like that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: And I still love them. And there are movies that
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I hate.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: That got many sequels, like Michael Bays Transformers movies. Yeah,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: I just have to live in that world. I'll tell
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: you what I think of them if you ask me.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: But outside of that, don't really think about it too much.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it is an interesting thing
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: to me, this whole discussion. And in the end, you
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: know this again, to bring it back to that Star
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: franchise that we've brought up a bunch, there are series
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: there that I can't stand, I don't like, and I
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: don't watch because I don't like them, and that's fine
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: with me. I watch certain series there that I do like,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: and I'm okay with that. So I hope, you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: one of the things that I do kind of hope
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: with Star Wars is that, again the batting average here,
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: like you mentioned, it's it's pretty stinking good, guys, And
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: you know, the things that I don't like are easy
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: for me to not worry about, and so I would
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: rather my batting average be this, you know, than most
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: franchises and and so, and even like you said, even
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: those series that I don't love, like a Kenobian Kenobi
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: or a book a Boa fat, there are things in
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: there that I found that I did enjoy, that did
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: like you know, that I did think were well done.
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: And I think that heck, Force Awakens, even even they're
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: arts of the Rise of Skywalker. You know, the Last
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Jedi is at least beautifully shot, you know, so, I mean.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I'll never take that away. The cinematography.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's phenomenal, is right, phenomenal in that film.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so cinematography is there.
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  Speaker 4: So that's the thing, right, is that there can be
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  Speaker 4: little things that we can even find in all of
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: those who like But you know, what's what's exciting about
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: this is we got some great things coming up in
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: Star Wars to look forward to. You know, like we've
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: mentioned Skeleton Crew, We've got the season two of and
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: Or coming out, the Grogu, the Mandalarian Grogu film, and
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: then a season two of Ah Soka. And we're sure
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: they're probably somewhere working on another animated something. But I
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: think what you said is really important. First to remember, guys,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: social media is not real life. Like what you like,
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: don't like, what you don't like, and just move on
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: with your life.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally okay, totally fine.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and get used to being able to have
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: discussions with fans where you can say, you know what,
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I don't really like that. And here's the reasons why
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: and and or you can be like and or you
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: can also say something like, you know, this is the
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: reason I.
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  Speaker 1: Do like that series. But be ready to have.
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  Speaker 4: Just an honest, open and loving conversation, because what the
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: world needs now is Star Wars love, sweet Star Wars love,
• 40:32
  Speaker 4: and not hate. So let's spread that instead.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: And just to keep referencing other franchises, if I can
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: spend my life being a fan of the Halloween franchise
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: and Michael Myers will always be my boogeyman, and I
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: can say that after watching Halloween Ends, trust me, you'll
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: make it through the next Star Wars project you don't
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  Speaker 3: like as well. But you know what this is two
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: episodes in a row where we've gone a little longer
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: than usual, Master Rushing, I love it.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: This is why this is the content people tune in for.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: But where can people tune in to your content out
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: there in the wilds of the internet.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Well, you can't find me all over the place on
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: social media under the name Matt Rushing zero two. Of course,
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: you can also find me here on the network with
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: a completed show called Owlpost talk about every single chapter
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: of the Harry Potter series one chapter at the time.
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  Speaker 4: You can also find me over on the TFM network
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  Speaker 4: with a bunch of shows. The main one there that
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: you'll find me on, of course, it's the SUSU two Club,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: talking about all of those franchises we love outside of
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: Star Trek. John's a frequent guest over there, and we
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: love getting a chance to talk about all sorts of
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: stuff for you. But John, you know, if people want
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: to catch up with you and seeing what you're putting
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: on your nerve steak these days, where can people find you?
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, you know what I put on my
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: nerve steak every single time is a nice big pad
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: of gungan butter and I'll let your brain figure out
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: what that means. But you can find me as Castle
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Junkie out there on the wilds of the Internet, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: you can find me right here on the network, co
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: hosting a show with Darren Moser and Tristan Medell called.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: House Lights, where we look at the work of directors.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: We look at some controversial directors too, like Oliver Stone.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe there was a conspiracy involved, I don't know. But
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: speaking of conspiracies, we have to find out who left
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: the iron on the ironing board in the laundry room
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  Speaker 3: of the Jedi Temple. So, Master Rushing, I think it's
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: time to close these negotiations, Master Mills, negotiations are closed.
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  Speaker 1: Join the Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.