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Hottest Summer Ever? Expert Says, "Nope" · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: For the 5,678th occasion, we gather here. Good morning show
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  Speaker 1: with Preston Scott. Good morning, friends. I'm Preston. He's Jared.
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  Speaker 1: And this is Greg Wrightstone. Greg is a geologist. He
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  Speaker 1: is also senior fellow with the CO2 Coalition. He is
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  Speaker 1: also author of a couple of books. Inconvenient Facts is
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  Speaker 1: where I first met Greg. The release of that book
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  Speaker 1: got my attention. And a follow-up was a very convenient warming. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. How are you, sir?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, really, really good. And I've got to tell you,
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  Speaker 2: there's some late-breaking news concerning my first book, Inconvenient Facts,
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  Speaker 2: and you'll be the first to learn of it.
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  Speaker 1: Tell us.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's actually pretty cool. Anthropic, you've heard of them,
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  Speaker 2: the big AI company. They've settled recently a $ 1 billion
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  Speaker 2: copyright infringement lawsuit. It was a class action suit that
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  Speaker 2: I was part of, an inconvenient fact. What they did
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  Speaker 2: was take my book as a... basically a textbook or
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  Speaker 2: source book for their information on climate change and used
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  Speaker 2: that to train their AI. And the judge ruled, again,
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  Speaker 2: it's a $ 1. 5 billion settlement. And the judge actually said, well,
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  Speaker 2: it would be a fair use if they had bought
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  Speaker 2: it from Amazon or somewhere, but they went off the
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  Speaker 2: market and bought, I guess, through these discount places so
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  Speaker 2: the authors didn't get any any payment. They bought millions
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  Speaker 2: of books. He said, no, they're copyright infringement. I can
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  Speaker 2: share with you, it's $ 1. 5 billion. I get $ 3, 000 out
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  Speaker 2: of this anthropic settlement. I'm getting a little bit of something.
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  Speaker 2: It's $ 3, 000 I didn't have last week. That was a
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  Speaker 2: big deal. You always hear about these class actions. I'm
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  Speaker 2: falling apart at one. I can make a few shekels.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: That's a perfect lead-in, because you're a geologist by profession
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  Speaker 1: that then merged into this other world. I want to
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  Speaker 1: reset for listeners that might be hearing your voice for
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  Speaker 1: the first time, Greg. Why did you decide to write
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  Speaker 1: Inconvenient Facts?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I knew that some of what we were being
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  Speaker 2: told about climate change was just incorrect. primarily as a
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  Speaker 2: geologist i knew that the ocean acidification was not happening
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  Speaker 2: it had never happened in the history of the planet
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't going to happen now even at ten times
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  Speaker 2: the current uh... CO2 levels, the ocean never acidified. And
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  Speaker 2: so I suspected other things were wrong. And so I said,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm going to do is take a deep dive myself,
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  Speaker 2: look at the base data. I'm not going to trust anybody.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to look at the data myself and come
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  Speaker 2: up to make my decisions and find out what the
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  Speaker 2: truth is. And that led, what I found angered me,
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  Speaker 2: I found that virtually everything being told by the or
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  Speaker 2: outright lies, and it angered me, and that's what led
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  Speaker 2: me to write this book. It's really... It was the
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  Speaker 2: result of my exploration for the truth about climate change.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason why the experts were saying and writing
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  Speaker 1: and doing what they were doing is because they were,
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  Speaker 1: in essence, being funded to do so, right?
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  Speaker 2: That's part of it. You know, there are a lot
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  Speaker 2: of reasons why they're doing it, and I... I can't
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  Speaker 2: see inside men's and women's souls to see what their
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  Speaker 2: motivation is. It's my job as a scientist to... I
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  Speaker 2: can't say why, but I can say, okay, this is
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  Speaker 2: what they're telling you, X, and here's the truth, which
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  Speaker 2: is Y. And that's my job and the role of
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  Speaker 2: the CO2 Coalition is to provide this fact and science-based
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  Speaker 2: truth about what's actually happening. And so it's... You'll be
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  Speaker 2: surprised to know... if I were giving a climate change
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  Speaker 2: realism award or climate change skepticism award for the 21st century,
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  Speaker 2: I would give it to Anthony Fauci. And you're going
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  Speaker 2: to go, what? That's because of Anthony Fauci, people's eyes
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  Speaker 2: were opened. They realized after this whole COVID and Fauci
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  Speaker 2: scandal that, Sometimes the experts are wrong. Sometimes the experts
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  Speaker 2: are lying to us. Sometimes the experts, maybe often, have
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  Speaker 2: money to be made in the process. And what they're
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  Speaker 2: saying is supporting their own financial well-being. And so because
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  Speaker 2: of COVID, people's eyes now are opened about that experts
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  Speaker 2: are not always right and are often wrong. And so
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  Speaker 2: there's been a real sea change, I think, from 2018
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  Speaker 2: to now through COVID about People just don't trust the
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  Speaker 2: experts anymore. Most people don't. They shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Wrightstone with me once again. The first book is
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  Speaker 1: Inconvenient Facts. You can get it. You're booksellers. Buy it
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  Speaker 1: in a way that he's properly compensated, I might add.
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  Speaker 1: And the second book, the follow-up, A Very Convenient Warming. Greg,
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  Speaker 1: let's lay out for folks the purpose of that second book.
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  Speaker 1: Your contention... you say that the data shows the Earth
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  Speaker 1: is in fact warming, but it's not warming at the
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  Speaker 1: catastrophic levels that have been predicted or we've been told of,
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  Speaker 1: and that it is a natural process of the Earth
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  Speaker 1: being the Earth. Is that a fair summary?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it. In the first book, really was an
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  Speaker 2: exploration of there is no climate crisis and that's a
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  Speaker 2: fact that we went through that we stepped through it
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  Speaker 2: the second book really is a celebration of what's actually
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  Speaker 2: happening and that is that The title tells it all,
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  Speaker 2: a very convenient warming, how modest warming and more CO2
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  Speaker 2: are benefiting humanity. And that's what we're telling is this
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  Speaker 2: tremendous story. If it was Christmas, I'd say I'd bring
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  Speaker 2: you great tidings of great joy or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's this celebration of humanity and our ecosystem. Almost every
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  Speaker 2: metric we look at, Our ecosystems are thriving and prospering,
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  Speaker 2: and the human condition is improving because of the combination
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  Speaker 2: of modest warming and more CO2. And so, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: a wonderful, I call it the greatest untold story of
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  Speaker 2: the 21st century, that of a thriving planet and an
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  Speaker 2: improvement of the human condition by almost every metric we
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  Speaker 2: look at. Earth's ecosystems are thriving and prospering. And again,
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  Speaker 2: we're benefiting greatly. It's completely at odds with what you're
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  Speaker 2: hearing in the mainstream media and from the so-called climate
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  Speaker 2: change experts. And so the greatest of this, the easiest
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  Speaker 2: way to look at this would be to look at
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  Speaker 2: agricultural productivity. And agricultural productivity is just breaking records year
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  Speaker 2: after year after year from the hottest countries to the
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  Speaker 2: coldest countries, from Scotland and Norway to India. India's agricultural
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  Speaker 2: productivity is one of the hottest countries, but yet their
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  Speaker 2: productivity and crop production are breaking records year after year.
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  Speaker 2: Famines have almost become a thing. They have actually become
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  Speaker 2: a thing of the past. Famine deaths have decreased 98%
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  Speaker 2: since 1900. And a lot of it has to do
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  Speaker 2: with increased photosynthesis because of more CO2. Warming is good.
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  Speaker 2: We are in a warming trend. In the contiguous United States,
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  Speaker 2: the growing season has lengthened by nearly two weeks. And
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  Speaker 2: that's a great thing. That's really, really good. That's great
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  Speaker 2: for productivity and agriculture. And then also there's the added
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  Speaker 2: benefit we're just realizing is it's not as big of
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  Speaker 2: a driver as CO2 increases. That's really easy to understand.
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  Speaker 2: Plants need nitrogen. If you're fertilizing your yard or your
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  Speaker 2: plants and your posies, it's a nitrogen-based fertilizer that you're
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  Speaker 2: going to use. And so what we do is burning
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  Speaker 2: fossil fuels adds a little bit of what's called reactive
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  Speaker 2: nitrogen to the atmosphere. And it's thought that maybe 15%
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  Speaker 2: or 18% of the increase of agricultural productivity is because
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  Speaker 2: of that. maybe 60% is due to increased CO2 in
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  Speaker 2: the atmosphere. So the atmosphere right now is about 400,
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  Speaker 2: a little over 400 parts per million. Every time you exhale,
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  Speaker 2: you're exhaling 40,000 parts per million. So you're breathing in
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  Speaker 2: oxygen and exhaling CO2 for the most part. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: it's just a wonderful, wonderful story that needs to be told.
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  Speaker 2: It's not just a story. It's documented evidence.
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  Speaker 1: Any regular listener of this program knows I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: fan of apologetics. Obviously, it deals with my Christian faith,
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  Speaker 1: but it also deals with any number of other topics.
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  Speaker 1: And climate change has been a big one for me,
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  Speaker 1: is the ability to understand and know enough information so
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  Speaker 1: that you can have rational discussions with those willing to
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  Speaker 1: have them on the topic of what I've always called
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  Speaker 1: Gorbl warming. It was made up by Al Gore. And
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  Speaker 1: there was a chart that was pushed out by the
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  Speaker 1: National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration. Greg Wrightstone, my guest. Greg, it
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  Speaker 1: told us that July was the hottest month ever in
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  Speaker 1: the history of this country, this planet. Tell us how
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  Speaker 1: bad it was.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what, there's been an update to this.
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  Speaker 2: Just on Monday, it was reported by the same NOAA,
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  Speaker 2: National Initiative for Urban Administration, that this summer was the
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  Speaker 2: hottest summer ever on record, okay? It wasn't July, it
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  Speaker 2: was all summer. And, of course, what I do, if
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  Speaker 2: you're Greg Wrightstone, you go and look at the data,
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  Speaker 2: which is what I did, And we looked at the data.
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  Speaker 2: I'll have to send this to you. So I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to look at the USA summer data. Now, bear in mind,
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  Speaker 2: summer does not end officially until September 22nd. So we
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  Speaker 2: think that probably what they did was instead of looking
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  Speaker 2: at– they were probably looking at what they call the
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  Speaker 2: climatological summer, which is June, July, and August, which is
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  Speaker 2: what we did. We looked at that. And we found
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  Speaker 2: that three years– were hotter, 1901, 1934, 1936 summers were
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  Speaker 2: hotter than what this summer was. And that was using
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  Speaker 2: NOAA's own data from the United States Historical Climatology Network
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  Speaker 2: to look at this. And so it was the Dust
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  Speaker 2: Bowl era in the United States was by far hotter
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  Speaker 2: than what we're experiencing today. And so we dispelled that.
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  Speaker 2: We also dispelled what you're referring to, the hottest July ever.
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  Speaker 2: Same thing. There were three or four other years where
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  Speaker 2: July was hotter than what it was this year. And again,
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  Speaker 2: heat's not bad historically. If we look back through time
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  Speaker 2: back to the greatest rise of the first civilizations, it
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  Speaker 2: was the really hot periods, the warm periods, the Minoan,
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  Speaker 2: the Roman, the medieval warm periods. They were hugely beneficial
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  Speaker 2: to humanity. Food was abundant. Life was good. And it
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  Speaker 2: was the intervening cold periods that were horrific. Those cold
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  Speaker 2: periods were associated with crop failure, famine, pestilence, and mass depopulation.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't get much worse than that. So... Historically, cold
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  Speaker 2: is bad, heat is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, yes. Cold kills people. Warmth generally helps people.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. The largest, depending on what study you look at,
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  Speaker 2: there are four large ones that have been put together
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  Speaker 2: last year. five or six or seven years looking at mortality,
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  Speaker 2: temperature-related mortality. Depending which one you look at, they range
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  Speaker 2: from nine to 20 times as many people die cold-related
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  Speaker 2: as heat-related deaths. The biggest one, 74 million, they looked
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  Speaker 2: at 74 million heat-related deaths, Dr. Antonio Gasparini and a
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  Speaker 2: large team. And they concluded 20 times as many people
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  Speaker 2: die from cold as from heat. So what does that
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  Speaker 2: tell you? Global warming saves lives. And I just this morning,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't have it. I just had it up, and
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  Speaker 2: I can't find it right now. But they looked at
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  Speaker 2: the Medicare population, that there might be as many as
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  Speaker 2: half a million lives saved in early death in the
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  Speaker 2: United States over the next 50 years from continued warming.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's also important to note in this
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  Speaker 1: release that you guys put out with the CO2 Coalition, Greg,
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  Speaker 1: you also note that those years that were, in fact, hotter,
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  Speaker 1: there was significantly less carbon dioxide in the air than
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  Speaker 1: there are right now. And so there's not the correlation
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  Speaker 1: that they claim that there is.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Absolutely. We'll see that through time. Now, bear in mind,
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  Speaker 2: we're not disputing that carbon dioxide, CO2, is a greenhouse
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  Speaker 2: gas and causes some warming. It is, and it does.
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's not very much. Not very much. And it's overwhelmed
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  Speaker 2: by the natural forces that have been driving temperatures up
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  Speaker 2: and down since the dawn of time. And so it's
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  Speaker 2: just not the thermostat on your wall where you just
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  Speaker 2: dial it up. It's not controlling. CO2 is not controlling.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Temperature's not worth it. It just isn't.