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Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the show. I'm Jamie Rogers,
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Speaker 1: sitting in for Peter Credlin, who's away today. Here's what's
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Speaker 1: coming up on Credlin. A major warning for the government
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Speaker 1: tonight with news polls showing two-thirds of Australians want immigration cut.
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Speaker 1: So is Canberra listening? And as Labor bets on artificial
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Speaker 1: intelligence to power Australia's future... The global race is on
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Speaker 1: to make sure humans stay in control. So where do
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Speaker 1: we draw the line? Plus, the Intergenerational Report says Australia's
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Speaker 1: birth rate is on the slide. So could fixing the
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Speaker 1: nation's broken childcare system help turn those numbers around? And
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Speaker 1: another hefty promise from Labor that household energy costs could
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Speaker 1: fall by more than $ 4, 000. but only if families use
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Speaker 1: solar power and electrify their homes and cars. We are
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Speaker 1: watching the integrity of women's sport diminish before our eyes
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Speaker 1: and the silence from people who claim to champion women
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Speaker 1: is almost impossible to ignore. Women have spent generations fighting
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Speaker 1: for their own competitions, for recognition, for funding, for television coverage.
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Speaker 1: for the chance to become professional athletes. And they got there.
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Speaker 1: Millions watch. Stadiums are filling. Young girls are growing up
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Speaker 1: knowing there's a place for them at the highest level
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Speaker 1: of sport. Yet after all that progress, we're now too
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Speaker 1: frightened to have an honest conversation about what the women's
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Speaker 1: category even means. Today we learn that a transgender athlete
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Speaker 1: who previously competed in elite men's hockey has won a
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Speaker 1: Women's Best and Fairest Award in Victoria. The player scored
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Speaker 1: 27 goals in the regular season, another five in the finals,
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Speaker 1: and received 33 votes to take out the award. This
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Speaker 1: is a women's competition that includes girls as young as 14.
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Speaker 1: Some of the women who play in this competition are furious.
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Speaker 1: They've spoken anonymously to the Herald Sun out of fear
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Speaker 1: of backlash. One said she was so angry. Another said
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Speaker 1: competing against biological males can feel scary.
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Speaker 2: Enough.
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Speaker 1: Don't tell female athletes that women's sport matters and then
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Speaker 1: look the other way when they raise questions about fairness
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Speaker 1: and safety. Sport has recognised biological differences between men and
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Speaker 1: women for generations. That's why we created women's categories. If
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Speaker 1: those differences didn't matter, we wouldn't need women's sport in
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Speaker 1: the first place.
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Speaker 3: And the reality is that we talk about female only spaces,
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Speaker 3: female only sports, female only services, they don't exist anymore
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Speaker 3: after this decision.
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Speaker 1: They don't exist.
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Speaker 3: If a man can identify as a woman and enter
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Speaker 3: these places and spaces, what's the point? Everything may as
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Speaker 3: well just be mixed sex.
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Speaker 1: Respecting transgender Australians and protecting them from discrimination doesn't mean
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Speaker 1: pretending biological sex doesn't matter. And that balance shouldn't require
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Speaker 1: women surrendering their rights for somebody else to have theirs.
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Speaker 1: And biological women shouldn't have to apologise for asking whether
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Speaker 1: their sporting category remains fair. So where is everyone standing
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Speaker 1: up for women's sport? Where are all those women who
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Speaker 1: are outraged about the Sydney Sweeney ad last week? It's
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Speaker 1: about the messaging and the context.
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Speaker 4: You use a woman in an ad like this and
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Speaker 4: you sexualize her and you market it as just sports.
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Speaker 4: It reduces her place within sport to just being valued
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Speaker 4: for her appearance and her sexuality rather than the athleticism
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Speaker 4: in the sport. And why this matters is because women
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Speaker 4: have fought so hard to be respected and valued within sports.
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Speaker 4: And we want to be valued for what we can do,
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Speaker 4: not what we look like.
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Speaker 1: Well, turn that anger into saving women's sport. Don't tear
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Speaker 1: down a woman who's advertising a sports betting company that
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Speaker 1: she part owns. If women's sport is worth celebrating, then
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Speaker 1: surely it's worth debating about how its integrity is protected.
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Speaker 1: Which leads to another question that needs answering. Why are
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Speaker 1: female players being left to fight this themselves? Where are
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Speaker 1: the sporting administrators? Where are the Labor politicians who can
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Speaker 1: fix this? Both One Nation and the Coalition have said
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Speaker 1: they'll put the definition of male and female back into
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Speaker 1: the Sex Discrimination Act if they win the next election.
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Speaker 1: But this can be done now. Labor constantly says they're
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Speaker 1: champions of women. Well, actions speak louder than words. Women
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Speaker 1: and girls need you. Stand up for them. Or they'll
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Speaker 1: end up being the ones that walks away from sport.
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Speaker 1: And that will be a travesty. Enough. Are we strengthening
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Speaker 1: anti-establishment politics through our obsession with political clickbait? Every day
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Speaker 1: it seems there's another headline designed to provoke outrage about
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson and One Nation. Australia has some enormous challenges ahead.
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Speaker 1: Yesterday's intergenerational report was another reminder of that. We should
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Speaker 1: be talking about how we grow our economy, help young
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Speaker 1: Australians get ahead and set this country up for the
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Speaker 1: future and how we turn this ship around. And yet,
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Speaker 1: what are we talking about? What the Ku Klux Klan
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Speaker 1: thinks about Pauline Hanson. Yes, the Ku Klux Klan, an
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Speaker 1: American organisation with an appalling history of racism, intimidation and violence.
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Speaker 1: Last night, Australian viewers were treated to the KKK's view
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Speaker 1: that on Australian politics.
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Speaker 5: Is it heartening for you to see someone like anti-immigration
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Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson doing well in Australia?
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Speaker 6: Is it heartening?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's encouraging, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Now seriously, what value did that interview add to our
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Speaker 1: political debate? Did anyone at Channel 9 stop to consider
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Speaker 1: whether giving this oxygen helped the political movement the story
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Speaker 1: was scrutinising? One Nation's Barnaby Joyce was scathing about the interview.
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Speaker 7: I mean, it's just, it's just nutsful that you would
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Speaker 7: say a person who I've never met and never intend
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Speaker 7: to meet hasn't anything to do with my life from
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Speaker 7: a group I despise is somehow related to me because
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Speaker 7: they said they knew of us. I mean, just honest
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Speaker 7: to goodness. I mean, that's, it's really a question for
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Speaker 7: Channel 9. I mean, mate, is that, is that.
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Speaker 8: Where you're at?
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson has commented through social media, saying the Ku
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Speaker 1: Klux Klan is a white supremacist organisation with a long
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Speaker 1: history of racial hatred, terror and violence. Any suggestion that
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Speaker 1: One Nation or its supporters endorse the KKK or share
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Speaker 1: its ideology is absurd and offensive. And Ms Hanson is right.
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Speaker 1: In a statement, Nine's National News Director Hugh Nallion stood
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Speaker 1: by the documentary and saying the inclusion of Mr Robb's
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Speaker 1: comments does not constitute endorsement of those views nor of
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Speaker 1: the comparison he chose to make. But here's where this
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Speaker 1: all gets interesting. This is the same Nine Network that
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Speaker 1: parted ways with Karl Stefanovic earlier this year after the
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Speaker 1: controversy surrounding his interview with British activist Tommy Robinson on
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Speaker 1: his independent podcast. Nine said at the time, It was
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Speaker 1: no longer possible for Carl to continue hosting the Today
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Speaker 1: Show while doing that podcast. Yet now we're watching the
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Speaker 1: views of a Ku Klux Klan leader being broadcast on
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Speaker 1: Australian television news. So where's the line? Would this interview
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Speaker 1: have been treated differently if the KKK leader had been
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Speaker 1: praising someone other than Pauline Hanson? Now, this isn't a
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Speaker 1: defence of Pauline Hanson, but more a question about where
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Speaker 1: Australian political coverage is heading. Because increasingly, the political conversation
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Speaker 1: seems to be driven by the most outrageous comment, the
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Speaker 1: most inflammatory association and the headline most likely to make
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Speaker 1: people angry. Every time Pauline Hanson or One Nation becomes
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Speaker 1: the centre of another outrage, it reinforces the anti-establishment argument
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Speaker 1: which One Nation has built much of its support. That's
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Speaker 1: the political and media landscape that it's out to get them.
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Speaker 1: While at the same time, policy debate that Australia desperately
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Speaker 1: needs is being drowned out. The Coalition has released a
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Speaker 1: number of policies. If elected, they intend to address the
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Speaker 1: enormous issue of bracket creep, cut the tobacco excise by 80%
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Speaker 1: to tackle the explosion of crime, plan for a fuel
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Speaker 1: price shield. They've pledged to reverse Labor's changes to negative
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Speaker 1: gearing and capital gains tax and rewrite the school curriculum
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Speaker 1: to restore national pride and Western values. But so much
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Speaker 1: of the political conversation is consumed by the latest fight
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Speaker 1: involving One Nation. And that's a problem for the Coalition.
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Speaker 1: They can't get cut through on economic policy if no
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Speaker 1: one's talking about it. And you can't have a serious
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Speaker 1: contest of ideas if politics becomes an endless outrage machine.
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson should be challenged on what she says, but
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Speaker 1: so should Labor and the Coalition. Well, let's head to
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Speaker 1: Canberra now for tonight's asking what our politicians plan to
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Speaker 1: do for Australia. Well, let's head to Canberra now for
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Speaker 1: tonight's political headlines with political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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Speaker 6: Good evening. Pauline Hanson is attacking Channel 9, accusing the
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Speaker 6: network of trying to link One Nation to the Ku
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Speaker 6: Klux Klan. Nine News says the KKK's Grand Wizard raised
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Speaker 6: One Nation unprompted before filming, leading to the reporter to
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Speaker 6: ask for his views on camera.
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Speaker 9: Is it heartening for you to see someone like anti-immigration
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Speaker 9: Pauline Hanson doing well in Australia?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's encouraging, absolutely.
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Speaker 6: Senator Hanson says any suggestion One Nation or its supporters
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Speaker 6: endorse the KKK or share its ideology is absurd and offensive.
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Speaker 6: The Albanese government is resisting calls for another round of
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Speaker 6: petrol price relief. Unleaded is above $ 2. 30 a litre in
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Speaker 6: every capital city.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not something that we've been discussing or considering.
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Speaker 6: The coalition is promising to cut the fuel excise for
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Speaker 6: as long as global oil prices remain above US $ 100
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Speaker 6: a barrel. A group of foreign leaders are calling for
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Speaker 6: tougher rules around the world's most powerful AI. They're warning
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Speaker 6: that technology is racing ahead of safeguards.
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Speaker 1: Well, Australia played a central role in the statement.
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Speaker 6: What Donald Trump and Xi Jinping discuss on the sidelines
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Speaker 6: of the UN later this week could be crucial.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's jump into the news out of Canberra.
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Speaker 1: The latest news poll still being felt with Labor notching
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Speaker 1: up its worst results since 2012, while the Prime Minister
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Speaker 1: is in New York to receive an award from the UN.
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Speaker 1: Here to discuss this and plenty more, News24 political editor
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Speaker 1: Andrew Clunell. Andrew, welcome. The polling shows two thirds of Australians,
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Speaker 1: including 44% of Labor voters, support cutting immigration levels. And
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Speaker 1: this is around concern with the pressure on housing and infrastructure,
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Speaker 1: this issue certainly isn't going away, is it?
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Speaker 2: No, and I mean that's why the government announced that
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Speaker 2: they were going to cut net migration. last week. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that was the Home Affairs Minister, Tony Burke, and then
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Speaker 2: this week Jim Chalmers comes out and says the fertility
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Speaker 2: rate's going to 1.34, implying that we need immigration for
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Speaker 2: the workforce.
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Speaker 1: He almost said, that's why immigration's so important.
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Speaker 2: I know. So there has been talk these two are
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Speaker 2: at odds, these ministers, and I guess they represent different
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Speaker 2: interests in government. One's a border cop and one's Treasury.
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Speaker 2: But I think it just illustrates the problem, doesn't it?
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Speaker 2: Because Australians appear to have think we've had too much immigration.
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Speaker 2: In some instances, some of our culture has changed. A
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Speaker 2: lot of Australians don't like, they don't like, you know,
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Speaker 2: Bondi feeds into that. And on the other hand, they
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Speaker 2: think there's not enough housing. This is creating more traffic,
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Speaker 2: more housing, whatever. On the other hand, we've got this
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Speaker 2: massively ageing population. We need workers. So, but if one
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Speaker 2: nation comes in and says, look, we've got too much migration,
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Speaker 2: that's a very popular message. And what's happened, as has
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Speaker 2: happened so much in politics really since Bondi those past
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Speaker 2: few months, is the majors are following One Nation. And
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Speaker 2: I think that's a fascinating dynamic in federal politics at
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Speaker 2: the moment. You've got this party with the least seats
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Speaker 2: having such influence over policy direction of the two major parties.
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Speaker 1: You're right. It does look as though One Nation is
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Speaker 1: driving the agenda specifically around immigration. There's a few others
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Speaker 1: that they've come out quite hard for when it comes
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Speaker 1: to policy. Are you hearing much about when the Coalition
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Speaker 1: will release the more detail when it comes to their
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Speaker 1: immigration policy?
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Speaker 2: So my understanding is that'll be occurring before the next
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Speaker 2: parliamentary sitting week, which is mid-October.
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Speaker 1: OK.
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Speaker 2: So, I mean, I think we saw One Nation leading
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Speaker 2: into a sitting week announce theirs. I reckon the Libs
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Speaker 2: probably go for the same tactic and try and grab
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Speaker 2: the agenda for once.
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Speaker 10: Mm.
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Speaker 2: You know, it'll be about how much they differentiate with
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Speaker 2: the government because the government's already announced this policy claiming
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Speaker 2: they're going to cut back. So how much further are
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Speaker 2: the Libs going to cut it back and what other
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Speaker 2: measures are they going to put in place? Like they've
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Speaker 2: talked about a safe countries list to have certain regions
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Speaker 2: of the world where the potential terrorists could come, not
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Speaker 2: come here. I think they'll lean into that sort of thing.
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Speaker 2: But will they get any actual traction with it? I mean,
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Speaker 2: when you've got a news poll where you've got One
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Speaker 2: Nation 30 Labor 27, Coalition 19, Greens 13. The Coalition
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Speaker 2: are heading towards the Greens more than they're heading up
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Speaker 2: towards One Nation. So they desperately need three or four
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Speaker 2: points at least.
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Speaker 1: Do you think the Coalition's latest announcement when it comes
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Speaker 1: to the fuel cut, that could help drive some of
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Speaker 1: the traction in the polls?
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Speaker 2: Difficult to say. I mean, has it been noticed out there?
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Speaker 9: No.
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Speaker 2: Look, I had Barnaby Joyce on Politics Now this afternoon.
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Speaker 2: I thought it was quite extraordinary because I said, are
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Speaker 2: you talking to senior people about confidence and supply for
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Speaker 2: the coalition? He says, yes, and the other way. In
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Speaker 2: other words, he claims he's talking to senior coalition people
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Speaker 2: about the libs and gnats giving confidence and supply to
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Speaker 2: a One Nation government. I mean, can you believe this? So,
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Speaker 2: I mean, the only cautionary thing I would say around
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Speaker 2: this is One Nation will have state representation. They've got
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Speaker 2: inexperienced leaders in New South Wales and Victoria. Will they
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Speaker 2: do things which make people think these guys aren't ready?
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Speaker 2: When it comes towards an actual campaign and a poll,
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Speaker 2: will people think, well, they're not quite ready? If they
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Speaker 2: look like they're forming government, will people pull their votes back?
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Speaker 2: And also the British example, where they changed leader to
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Speaker 2: Andy Burnham and reform have gone backwards. So those are
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Speaker 2: the things which could play into One Nation staying at
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Speaker 2: its current level or its vote dropping. What we do
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Speaker 2: know is they will have significant representation in the next parliament.
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Speaker 2: I can't see anything other than that occurring, and particularly
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Speaker 2: in the Senate. There are odds on to have balance
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Speaker 2: of power in the Senate, which of course changes Australian politics.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fascinating to watch, and no doubt you'll keep
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Speaker 1: us updated quite frequently up until the next election. I
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Speaker 1: want to move on now to artificial intelligence, and obviously
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanese is over in New York, and Australia has
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Speaker 1: joined this international push for safeguards around AI. Governments are
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Speaker 1: calling for more human oversight and controls, predominantly around just
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Speaker 1: the safety risk. Do you think this is interesting? Because
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Speaker 1: it does follow the intergenerational report where the government said
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Speaker 1: it was ready to hang its hat on AI and
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Speaker 1: it felt like they were going to go sort of
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Speaker 1: all in on it. And then now they've come out
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Speaker 1: wanting to put in these really strong safeguards. What do
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Speaker 1: you make of this?
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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, they've been overtaken by the international debate.
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Speaker 2: I mean, when the leader of the AI company say,
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Speaker 2: you know, we've got real problems, we need guardrails, then
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Speaker 2: the government's got to act. Before that, it was all AI's, great,
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Speaker 2: we want the data centres here. We're not really in
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Speaker 2: charge of this debate, are we? I mean, President Trump
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Speaker 2: and President Xi and the companies. So it's nice for
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Speaker 2: us to have our say. It's actually nice for us
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Speaker 2: to get some of the businesses here because at least
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Speaker 2: we can regulate them, I guess. But You know, you
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Speaker 2: look over the UN, we're signing a statement with 20 countries.
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Speaker 2: It's utterly meaningless. What have we got to do with it?
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Speaker 2: You know, I mean, Trump and Xi meeting is more important.
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Speaker 2: And then can you trust Xi to act on any
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Speaker 2: guarantees he gives? Of all the issues that worry me, Jamie,
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Speaker 2: I think this is the biggest, to be honest, because
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Speaker 2: the technology is going so fast. It's like, where are
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Speaker 2: we going to end up? And, yeah, I kind of
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Speaker 2: fear for the world a bit.
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Speaker 1: Well, they are saying that they're worried about the technology
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Speaker 1: overtaking humans.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, great.
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Speaker 1: When you read that, you think, wow, wild times. Andrew,
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Speaker 1: thanks so much for your time tonight.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: All right, more now on yesterday's intergenerational report and forecasts
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Speaker 1: that Australia's death rate will outstrip its birth rate by
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Speaker 1: the early 2060s, with more Australians choosing not to have
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Speaker 1: children as a result of cost of living concerns and
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Speaker 1: pressure around childcare. It's a forecast that hasn't gone down
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Speaker 1: well with child advocacy groups.
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Speaker 5: Let's change the name of today's intergenerational report to the
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Speaker 5: Make Women Do More.
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Speaker 1: For Less report.
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Speaker 5: Work like you don't have children, raise children like you
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Speaker 5: don't have to work and look after your parents like
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Speaker 5: you don't have to work or raise children. This report
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Speaker 5: is nothing but another way for Albo and Jim to
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Speaker 5: push women into fixing holes in the economy without any
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Speaker 5: policies or support to make it easier. If they were serious,
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Speaker 5: they'd start with childcare choice.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is Childcare Choice spokeswoman, Jen Fleming. Jen, welcome.
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Speaker 1: Your point is a good one. The government wants us
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Speaker 1: to have more kids, but they don't really want to
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Speaker 1: do anything to fix the childcare system or address cost
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Speaker 1: of living. What needs to happen to shift the dial? Well, Jamie,
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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. And it is a really
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Speaker 1: important conversation.
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Speaker 5: If we look at yesterday's intergenerational report, what we're seeing
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Speaker 5: in 40 years' time should be a warning bells for
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Speaker 5: our government into trying to make things better for Australian families.
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Speaker 5: What they're predicting would not be a great scenario for
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Speaker 5: Australian families, particularly Australian women. What that report says is
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Speaker 5: that women will have to have more children, they'll have
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Speaker 5: to work more, and they will also need to do
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Speaker 5: a lot of unpaid care, particularly as families our parents' age.
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Speaker 5: What this government needs to do is use that report
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Speaker 5: as the trigger for making things better for Australian families now,
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Speaker 5: making it easier to have a family. And the best
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Speaker 5: way for them to do that, the easiest way for
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Speaker 5: them to do that, is to introduce a choice-based childcare policy.
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Speaker 1: And you have been very vocal around this choice-based childcare.
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Speaker 1: And I know Jim Chalmers has come out and said
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Speaker 1: better investment in early childhood education, like a more universal
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Speaker 1: access for families, is the way to address this declining
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Speaker 1: birth rate. And he rejected the idea that we need
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Speaker 1: a new baby bonus, which I do tend to agree with.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if... We probably don't even have the
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Speaker 1: budget to be able to go down the baby bonus path.
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Speaker 1: But the government doesn't seem like it's listening because parents
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Speaker 1: are crying out for choice... What is it that you
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Speaker 1: would like to see when it does come to the
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Speaker 1: childcare choice that you've been advocating for?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jamie, I don't know what planet Jim Chalmers is on,
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Speaker 5: but it is certainly not the planet that I'm raising
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Speaker 5: children on right now. And it is not the planet
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Speaker 5: that most Australian families are raising children on right now.
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Speaker 5: The idea that this universal childcare is somehow the shining
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Speaker 5: glory of all policy that's going to fix things for
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Speaker 5: families is comical. It's nothing but Labor trying to force
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Speaker 5: children into childcare sooner. We heard that from Katie Gallagher
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Speaker 5: on Mother's Day this year. The sooner that babies are
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Speaker 5: in childcare, the better. And that is completely at odds
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Speaker 5: with how Australian families are living and working right now.
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Speaker 5: Australian families are asking for flexibility. We're asking for choice
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Speaker 5: and we're asking for our country to have flexibility. a
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Speaker 5: mature conversation around policy that allows us to recognise that
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Speaker 5: women want to maintain their ambition when it comes to
21:02
Speaker 5: their career that we've worked so hard for. But we
21:04
Speaker 5: also want to be there for those early years of
21:07
Speaker 5: our child's life, their childhood, which goes so quickly. Everyone
21:10
Speaker 5: tells us those years are short. Right now, we're stretched between...
21:14
Speaker 5: having to work to keep a roof over our head
21:17
Speaker 5: and wanting to be at those important moments of our
21:19
Speaker 5: child's life. The government needs policy that allows women and
21:23
Speaker 5: acknowledges that for women, that that's what we want. We
21:27
Speaker 5: want more choice, we want more flexibility and we want
21:29
Speaker 5: to have a bigger say over who's looking after our children,
21:32
Speaker 5: not being forced into this universal childcare model that I
21:36
Speaker 5: don't think parents are really asking for.
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Speaker 1: And what's the feedback that you've heard when you are
21:41
Speaker 1: going and campaigning in Canberra to the Albanese government. I
21:45
Speaker 1: know you've also been speaking with the Coalition as well.
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Speaker 1: But what's the response to you when you are standing
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Speaker 1: there and putting forward these ideas? Well, I think we've
21:55
Speaker 1: had a very positive response.
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Speaker 5: I think even Labor secretly know that this policy is
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Speaker 5: the way to go. They are stuck between a rock
22:03
Speaker 5: and a hard place because for them, universal childcare not
22:06
Speaker 5: only sounds good on their brochures that they stuff in
22:09
Speaker 5: our mailbox at an election time, but it also achieves
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Speaker 5: foundational Labor policy around institutionalising children younger. and also unionising
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Speaker 5: a workforce. We can't shy away from the reality of that.
22:21
Speaker 5: They will tell us this policy is great for families,
22:24
Speaker 5: but deep down they know that families don't want that.
22:27
Speaker 5: Families want to have flexibility. We want to give families
22:30
Speaker 5: the freedom of choice. We have had a great reception
22:33
Speaker 5: from the Liberals. Obviously, they've put in a shadow minister
22:36
Speaker 5: for choice and childcare, Matt O'Sullivan, who's doing great work
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Speaker 5: in this space. At the moment, they don't have a policy,
22:41
Speaker 5: but I'm hopeful that they will have a policy leading
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Speaker 5: into the election that will give families flexibility a real
22:47
Speaker 5: opportunity to vote for change when it comes to childcare.
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Speaker 1: Well, Jen, keep up the great work, as I honestly
22:53
Speaker 1: think whoever nails the childcare policy going into the next
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Speaker 1: federal election will go a long way to getting close
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Speaker 1: to winning that. So keep up your advocacy work. We'll
23:01
Speaker 1: chat to you again soon. Well, coming up, a new
23:04
Speaker 1: threat to Australia's coal power stations with green groups lobbying
23:08
Speaker 1: for a carbon cost that could add $ 100 million a
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Speaker 1: year to running a single plant. What would that mean
23:15
Speaker 1: for power prices? Welcome back. It's great to have your company.
23:23
Speaker 1: Coming up, we will head to the UK where Earl
23:26
Speaker 1: Spencer says Harry and Meghan need protection to avoid the
23:29
Speaker 1: same media treatment as Princess Diana. But now to energy
23:34
Speaker 1: with reports Green Groups are lobbying Chris Bowen to slap
23:38
Speaker 1: coal power stations with a new carbon cost that could
23:41
Speaker 1: add $ 100 million a year to a plant's running costs.
23:45
Speaker 1: It comes as communities impacted by the closure of coal plants,
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Speaker 1: particularly in Victoria's Gippsland region, chart a new path forward.
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Speaker 1: Zoe Hilton is a spokeswoman for the Affordable Energy Australia
23:57
Speaker 1: campaign and she joins me now in studio. Zoe, great
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Speaker 1: to see you. Thank you for coming in. I do
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Speaker 1: want to start with the past week where you've been
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Speaker 1: in Gippsland interviewing a lot of coal workers who are
24:11
Speaker 1: concerned about job losses, but also the nation's security and
24:15
Speaker 1: making sure that we don't enter into blackouts. What can
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Speaker 1: you tell us about that trip?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, so the coal workers and the broader people that
24:22
Speaker 9: I spoke to in the community in Mowi and Morwell
24:24
Speaker 9: and Traralgon, they were really concerned about what's going to
24:27
Speaker 9: happen when Yallon closes in 2028 and when Luoyang Yang
24:30
Speaker 9: closes in 2035. In Morwell, you can really see the
24:34
Speaker 9: impacts of what happened when Morwell Power Station and Hazelwood.
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Speaker 1: Closed about a decade ago.
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Speaker 9: I was told by locals that Morwell's High Street used
24:42
Speaker 9: to be busier than Melbourne's High Street, and now it's
24:44
Speaker 9: a ghost town. You have businesses shutting shop, you have
24:47
Speaker 9: people smoking weed in their cars in the middle of
24:49
Speaker 9: the day in the car park, you have homelessness, you
24:52
Speaker 9: have all of these social ills. And the people who
24:55
Speaker 9: work at these plants and are in Tarragun, they're really
24:57
Speaker 9: concerned that their town is going to end up the
24:59
Speaker 9: same way because When you take out industries that are
25:01
Speaker 9: productive and providing jobs for these people, you end up
25:06
Speaker 9: with so much suffering. And that's a microcosm of what
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Speaker 9: will happen to the rest of Victoria and our country
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Speaker 9: if we don't take affordable, reliable energy seriously.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts around these green groups
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Speaker 1: who are lobbying Chris Bowen to slap coal-fired power stations
25:22
Speaker 1: with these new carbon costs. What do you make of
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Speaker 1: this decision? And ultimately, this cost is going to have
25:28
Speaker 1: to be passed on to... the consumer, right?
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Speaker 9: I mean, it just it doesn't make sense to slap
25:35
Speaker 9: an extra cost onto something that is currently stopping us
25:39
Speaker 9: from having blackouts. And that is the reality, because when
25:41
Speaker 9: we look at what the New South Wales government did recently,
25:44
Speaker 9: they struck a deal with Araring to keep it open
25:46
Speaker 9: because they knew they were told in no uncertain terms
25:49
Speaker 9: there would be blackouts if they did not extend Araring.
25:52
Speaker 9: And that is what we're going to see. We're going
25:53
Speaker 9: to see state governments scramble as closure dates approach for
25:58
Speaker 9: these coal plants, and they're going to have to end
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Speaker 9: up extending them. They're going to have to stop pretending
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Speaker 9: that they can close them early without affordable, reliable baseload
26:05
Speaker 9: to replace them. And so all of these extra costs,
26:08
Speaker 9: they won't actually do what the proponents are wanting them
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Speaker 9: to do, which is to encourage more renewables into the system,
26:13
Speaker 9: because the system doesn't need more intermittent renewable generation. We've
26:17
Speaker 9: already got too much in a lot of areas when
26:20
Speaker 9: the wind is blowing and when the sun is shining,
26:22
Speaker 9: we don't have enough those other times, and that is
26:25
Speaker 9: when coal plants and gas or nuclear or other baseload, hydro,
26:30
Speaker 9: that is when those sources can actually provide energy to
26:33
Speaker 9: the grid. And governments just don't seem to understand the
26:36
Speaker 9: urgency of replacing that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't cost anything to just lift
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Speaker 1: the nuclear ban and just let the market decide what's best.
26:45
Speaker 1: But when you are talking to some of these coal-fired
26:47
Speaker 1: power station workers, are they open to transferring their skills
26:52
Speaker 1: into nuclear? Because I remember reading it was something like 77%
26:55
Speaker 1: of coal workers could transfer their skills straight away into
26:58
Speaker 1: nuclear and then we can upskill the others. Are they
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Speaker 1: open to doing that in the future?
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, of course, if we built new coal
27:06
Speaker 9: stations and that would be the most transferable skills, but
27:09
Speaker 9: nuclear can also transfer a lot of skills as well.
27:11
Speaker 9: So that would help those communities. I think the concern
27:14
Speaker 9: now is because governments have really kicked the can down
27:16
Speaker 9: the road with lifting the ban and doing the necessary
27:19
Speaker 9: work to get nuclear ready. We now we're kind of
27:22
Speaker 9: 10 to 15 years behind all of the time. And
27:24
Speaker 9: so it's getting to that crunch time where these plants
27:28
Speaker 9: are about to close and we need to replace it quickly.
27:30
Speaker 9: So I think, yeah, we need to stay open to
27:32
Speaker 9: nuclear in the medium term, the long term, but we
27:34
Speaker 9: also really need to look at coal refurbishment and building
27:38
Speaker 9: new coal plants if that's something that our grid is
27:40
Speaker 9: going to need in the short term and people in
27:42
Speaker 9: those communities are going to need.
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Speaker 1: It blows my mind when you look around the rest
27:46
Speaker 1: of the world. France are planning to open another 10
27:48
Speaker 1: small modular reactors by 2035. We see America are going
27:52
Speaker 1: down the nuclear path and so many other countries. And
27:54
Speaker 1: I just fear Australia is going to be so far behind.
27:58
Speaker 1: I do want to also get your thoughts about Labor,
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Speaker 1: who have just recently been claiming that household energy costs
28:03
Speaker 1: could fall by as much as $ 4, 300 a year for
28:07
Speaker 1: families who use solar power and electrify their homes and cars.
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Speaker 1: And I read that and I thought, haven't we heard
28:13
Speaker 1: this story before, that they would drop our power prices
28:16
Speaker 1: by $ 275 and it's gone the complete opposite? Should we
28:20
Speaker 1: be believing this?
28:22
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look at your energy bills. Are they
28:24
Speaker 9: going down? Probably not, is the answer for most people.
28:28
Speaker 9: So probably can't really trust those promises. But I'd also say,
28:31
Speaker 9: I mean, yeah, for people who get rooftop solar and
28:34
Speaker 9: they get the subsidised home battery and they can afford
28:36
Speaker 9: an EV, maybe they will lower their costs, but it's
28:39
Speaker 9: only because rooftop solar, when you get that, you're actually
28:44
Speaker 9: reducing your costs at the expense of someone else because
28:46
Speaker 9: the network costs get shifted to people who don't.
28:49
Speaker 1: Have rooftop solar.
28:50
Speaker 9: So basically what it does is it shifts the money around,
28:52
Speaker 9: it shifts the cost burden to someone else, it doesn't
28:55
Speaker 9: make the grid cheaper as a whole. And so even
28:57
Speaker 9: if some people are better off, everyone else is not
28:59
Speaker 9: going to be.
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Speaker 1: Now let's have a look now at what are some
29:04
Speaker 1: of the other things that you would be saying to
29:05
Speaker 1: the government, right? Just lift the ban? And then we
29:09
Speaker 1: can go from there.
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Speaker 9: All options on the table. Prioritise affordability and reliability. Those
29:14
Speaker 9: should be number one. Don't have artificial government targets that
29:18
Speaker 9: are not rooted in reality. And also tell us how
29:22
Speaker 9: much the capacity investment scheme is going to cost. So
29:24
Speaker 9: that's a scheme that might cost billions, tens of billions,
29:28
Speaker 9: hundreds of billions of dollars of our tax money that
29:31
Speaker 9: is being handed over to wind, solar and battery developers.
29:34
Speaker 9: And the government won't even tell us what it will cost.
29:36
Speaker 9: And they're promising bill reductions and they can't even tell
29:39
Speaker 9: us us the cost. And you look at the UK,
29:41
Speaker 9: they've got a similar scheme. They tell their citizens how
29:44
Speaker 9: much it's going to cost.
29:46
Speaker 1: Why can't our government?
29:47
Speaker 9: Why are they saying it's not for publication in the budget? Like,
29:49
Speaker 9: that's the sort of thing where if they truly believe
29:53
Speaker 9: that renewables are the cheapest form of energy, then they
29:55
Speaker 9: can tell us what it's going to cost.
29:57
Speaker 1: You've got a petition. Tell us about it and where
30:00
Speaker 1: can we all go to sign up?
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Speaker 9: So our petition is to call on Australia's leaders to
30:05
Speaker 9: prioritise affordable and reliable energy. We've got 13,000 petition signatures,
30:09
Speaker 9: but we would love to get so many more. We
30:11
Speaker 9: really need to show governments across Australia that this is
30:15
Speaker 9: an important issue. We have so many people struggling right
30:18
Speaker 9: now from energy hardship. And so if you go on
30:20
Speaker 9: to affordableenergy.org.au, then you'll be able to see our petition
30:24
Speaker 9: and sign up and support our work. We would love
30:28
Speaker 9: your support.
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Speaker 1: Sounds great. We'll all jump on and support you. Thank
30:31
Speaker 1: you so much for coming in tonight.
30:32
Speaker 9: Thanks very much.
30:32
Speaker 6: Appreciate it.
30:34
Speaker 1: Alright, after the break, the campaign to fix Victoria with
30:37
Speaker 1: just under three months until the state election. That's next.
30:45
Speaker 1: Welcome back. More on the latest Royal Rift shortly. But
30:49
Speaker 1: now to the countdown to the Victorian election in November
30:53
Speaker 1: with the latest ad from campaign group Fix Victoria. twisting
30:57
Speaker 1: the screws on Labor. Here to discuss it, Head of
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Speaker 1: Advocacy and Membership at Fix Victoria, Gideon Rosner. Gideon, two
31:05
Speaker 1: and a half months to go. How's the campaign been
31:09
Speaker 1: going and are you getting cut through?
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Speaker 11: Look, we absolutely are. We have been inundated by people
31:14
Speaker 11: signing up at fixvictoria.com.au to support our work. Look, Jamie,
31:19
Speaker 11: from the beginning, we have sought to represent our members
31:22
Speaker 11: on the issues that they care about, and chief among
31:24
Speaker 11: them is debt. Victoria's $ 200 billion black hole of debt,
31:29
Speaker 11: the fact that we are paying $ 1 million every hour
31:32
Speaker 11: in interest, that's not to pay off the debt, that
31:34
Speaker 11: is just to service the debt. And we do have
31:36
Speaker 11: evidence now that campaigners in various political parties, when they're
31:39
Speaker 11: door knocking and so on, are getting question after question
31:42
Speaker 11: about the debt. So we have certainly succeeded in putting
31:45
Speaker 11: it on the agenda. Now, what we've been trying to
31:48
Speaker 11: do is to explain that debt is not just an
31:50
Speaker 11: abstract figure. It is the reason crime is going up,
31:53
Speaker 11: because we cannot afford police. It is the reason that
31:56
Speaker 11: we are seeing roads in such terrible shape, because we
31:59
Speaker 11: can't afford to repair them. And it's the reason a
32:02
Speaker 11: lot of Victorians are struggling financially. We know that Victoria
32:05
Speaker 11: has the highest tax burden of any state in the country.
32:08
Speaker 11: We know that we have the highest stamp duty, certainly
32:11
Speaker 11: the highest land tax. Vehicle registration is going up. Pet
32:14
Speaker 11: registration is going up. The fact of the matter is, Jamie,
32:18
Speaker 11: that the state of Victoria is not managing money properly. Therefore,
32:21
Speaker 11: it is reaching for.
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Speaker 2: More of ours.
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Speaker 1: Well, Gideon, I think the ad is very clever that
32:28
Speaker 1: you've done. Let's take a look so everyone else can
32:30
Speaker 1: see it too.
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Speaker 7: While we all.
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Speaker 12: Tighten our belts, Victoria's tsunami of debt, waste and overspending
32:38
Speaker 12: just continues. Mismanaged billions on unbuilt roads. Over half a
32:46
Speaker 12: billion on cancelled Commonwealth Games and corrupt payments to criminals.
32:51
Speaker 12: mean we're all doing it tough. We need a plan
32:54
Speaker 12: to fix debt. Join us to fix Victoria.
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Speaker 1: Gideon, I must say, it was the baby for me
33:01
Speaker 1: in that ad, throwing its teddy into the high water
33:05
Speaker 1: and then crying and then hearing its cries throughout it.
33:07
Speaker 1: But it is the reality, though, of what Victorians are facing.
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Speaker 11: Well, look, again, I make the point, I mean, that
33:14
Speaker 11: ad is the fourth in a series we've done. And
33:16
Speaker 11: the first one was the what a lot of your
33:18
Speaker 11: viewers will remember as the tsunami of debt. What we
33:21
Speaker 11: tried to do is, again, make an abstract concept, which
33:24
Speaker 11: is debt, something real and tangible.
33:27
Speaker 2: And impactful.
33:29
Speaker 11: We did that with the metaphor of water coming out
33:31
Speaker 11: of Parliament House and flooding the entire state. And there's
33:33
Speaker 11: debt that just keeps rising and rising and rising. And
33:36
Speaker 11: what you just saw, as I said, is the fourth
33:38
Speaker 11: ad in the series saying that among everything else, the
33:40
Speaker 11: reason you are struggling financially is in large part because
33:44
Speaker 11: the state of Victoria has not been doing the right
33:46
Speaker 11: thing with money, whether it be paying $ 1 billion plus
33:50
Speaker 11: not to build a road, whether it be paying $ 500
33:53
Speaker 11: million on Commonwealth Games we.
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Speaker 10: Never got to have.
33:57
Speaker 11: The fact of the matter is, as the ad says,
33:59
Speaker 11: while everyday Victorians are tightening our belts, the state of
34:02
Speaker 11: Victoria is treating public money like confetti and it has
34:05
Speaker 11: to stop.
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Speaker 1: My heart did break for Victorians when the Commonwealth Games
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Speaker 1: were recently on and there were some people holding up
34:11
Speaker 1: those signs saying, thank you, Melbourne. And I thought, oh,
34:14
Speaker 1: my gosh, way to just rub salt into the wounds.
34:18
Speaker 1: But Ben Carroll has said that he's going to wind
34:21
Speaker 1: back some of the policies that were implemented by Daniel
34:23
Speaker 1: Andrews and Jacinta Allen, things like land tax, which looks
34:26
Speaker 1: to be on the chopping block. But do you think
34:29
Speaker 1: it's now a little too late or is there danger
34:32
Speaker 1: that Labor could actually hang on here?
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Speaker 11: Look, Jamie, we're a genuinely nonpartisan organisation. We have said
34:39
Speaker 11: from the beginning we will work with any politician, any
34:41
Speaker 11: public figure, any political party with a serious plan to
34:44
Speaker 11: get Victoria out of the mess we're in. But what
34:47
Speaker 11: I will say is that that won't be achieved by
34:49
Speaker 11: politics on the run. That won't be achieved by policy
34:52
Speaker 11: on the run. That won't be achieved by little nips
34:54
Speaker 11: and tucks and crab walking away from things that may
34:56
Speaker 11: be electorally unpopular. Now, as a matter of fact, land
34:59
Speaker 11: tax is a huge issue in Victoria. I just came
35:02
Speaker 11: out of a private sector job to take this role
35:04
Speaker 11: up and not a day went by when I wouldn't
35:06
Speaker 11: hear somebody complaining about land tax. Now, that's not just
35:10
Speaker 11: a problem for the landlords. It's a problem for renters
35:12
Speaker 11: who get the cost passed on. It's a problem for
35:14
Speaker 11: aspiring homeowners because new housing stock is not being built. Again,
35:19
Speaker 11: we can't just have little nips and tucks here. We
35:22
Speaker 11: need a comprehensive plan from our leaders on how to
35:25
Speaker 11: fix our $ 200 billion debt that necessitates these cash grabs
35:29
Speaker 11: to begin with.
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Speaker 1: And Gideon, just quickly before I let you go, potholes
35:33
Speaker 1: seems to be an enormous talking point coming out of Victoria.
35:37
Speaker 1: Is that what you're also hearing on the ground too?
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Speaker 11: Number one issue. In all my 20 years of being
35:43
Speaker 11: in politics and public policy, I have never seen anger
35:46
Speaker 11: as bad as about the potholes. And we're not talking, again, Jamie,
35:50
Speaker 11: for interstate viewers, we're not talking about minor little divots. Sadly,
35:54
Speaker 11: we saw the death of Tiki Mason not so long ago.
35:56
Speaker 11: I read a story today about somebody who drove over
35:58
Speaker 11: a pothole a few years back, had a broken leg. Fibia,
36:01
Speaker 11: had a shattered spine, brain damage, a collapsed lung, all
36:04
Speaker 11: from one pothole. People are paying thousands of dollars to
36:06
Speaker 11: have their rims repaired. As I said to Peter Credlin
36:09
Speaker 11: a few weeks ago, this is a real, almost literally
36:11
Speaker 11: concrete symbol of a state that is falling apart. It's
36:15
Speaker 11: making people realise that we are being very, very badly
36:18
Speaker 11: managed and that people really do expect better.
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Speaker 1: Well, Gideon, there's only a few more months until Victorians
36:25
Speaker 1: head to the poll. I appreciate your time tonight. Let's
36:30
Speaker 1: head to London where the new book from Charles Spencer
36:33
Speaker 1: about his sister Diana, the Princess of Wales, has just
36:36
Speaker 1: gone on sale there this morning. News 24 contributor and
36:40
Speaker 1: News Corp Australia's European correspondent Sophie Ellsworth ran out in
36:45
Speaker 1: the last hour to get herself a copy. A lot
36:48
Speaker 1: of controversy here, Sophie. Welcome. Tell us about this book
36:53
Speaker 1: that you've run out and got your hands on.
36:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
36:57
Speaker 8: I've got a copy of Swan Song that just hit
37:00
Speaker 8: the shelves here this morning in the last few hours.
37:03
Speaker 8: This is Earl Spencer's book, which has got many bombshell
37:07
Speaker 8: claims that we've already heard in the lead up to
37:10
Speaker 8: its release today and many allegations against the king and
37:14
Speaker 8: the royal family. I've gone through the book this morning.
37:18
Speaker 8: The online copy was available this morning and there's many
37:21
Speaker 8: salacious details in there. including how he criticised Princess Diana
37:26
Speaker 8: about her weight, the fact that he had purchased Camilla
37:31
Speaker 8: a bracelet and Diana found this bracelet when they were married.
37:35
Speaker 8: She was very upset about this. There's a whole raft
37:38
Speaker 8: of allegations in here, including also that the late Queen
37:43
Speaker 8: Elizabeth considered pinning back King Charles's ears because they poked
37:49
Speaker 8: out a little. There's many, many salacious details in here.
37:54
Speaker 8: There's so much to go through in this 400-page book.
37:57
Speaker 8: A lot of it we've heard, including claims about the
38:02
Speaker 8: war that erupted between the Spencer household and the Windsor
38:05
Speaker 8: household over the handling of Diana's funeral arrangements. This is
38:10
Speaker 8: a book that has no doubt rocked the royal family.
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Speaker 1: And whose side is the public taking on this latest?
38:17
Speaker 1: Because I've read a few reports where people are questioning
38:20
Speaker 1: why Diana's brother felt the need to reveal so many
38:24
Speaker 1: of these stories.
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Speaker 8: Well, Earl Spencer has said specifically about this book that
38:32
Speaker 8: he has not put this book out to make money.
38:35
Speaker 8: But the claims are that he stands to make millions
38:38
Speaker 8: and millions of pounds from sale of this book, Swan Song. He,
38:43
Speaker 8: you know, he's a very wealthy man indeed. He's on
38:45
Speaker 8: his fourth marriage. He's had expensive divorces.
38:48
Speaker 2: But the public.
38:49
Speaker 8: Many of them seem on the side of King Charles
38:52
Speaker 8: and are quite appalled that Earl Spencer has decided 29
38:56
Speaker 8: years after the death of his sister to write this
39:00
Speaker 8: book with many allegations in there that is reportedly never
39:04
Speaker 8: been put to Buckingham Palace or the royal family ahead
39:08
Speaker 8: of its release. It's no doubt caused a lot of
39:11
Speaker 8: problems for the royal family. They're no doubt dealing with
39:14
Speaker 8: the fallout of Meghan and Harry moving back here to
39:16
Speaker 8: the UK. But now they're dealing with many allegations of
39:20
Speaker 8: private conversations that took place behind closed doors that Earl
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Speaker 8: Spencer has now laid bare in his new book.
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Speaker 1: And Piers Morgan. has also come out saying that he's
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Speaker 1: going to sue Earl Spencer over some of the claims.
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Speaker 1: Do you know what's been said that's ignited this lawsuit? Absolutely.
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Speaker 8: So in Swan Song, it does detail that there was
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Speaker 8: photographs of Princess Diana going to a gymnasium many years
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Speaker 8: ago where she was in a leotard and the photos
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Speaker 8: ended up on the front page of the Sunday Mirror. Now,
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Speaker 8: Charles Earl Spencer goes into detail in the book about
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Speaker 8: how Piers Morgan published these images of Diana in the
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Speaker 8: leotard on the front of the Sunday Mirror. But Quite remarkably,
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Speaker 8: Piers Morgan has come out overnight, said this is absolutely
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Speaker 8: not the case. He was not the editor of the
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Speaker 8: Sunday Mirror at the time. And he is now threatening
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Speaker 8: legal action against Earl Spencer. He wants the correction made.
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Speaker 8: And he also wants money donated to the King's Trust.
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Speaker 8: This is very, very nasty stuff. It's put shade on
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Speaker 8: the truth behind the book. and no doubt going to
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Speaker 8: cause many problems for Earl Spencer and the publishers.
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Speaker 1: Sophie, that was a really great update. I think lots
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Speaker 1: of people are going to be running out to buy
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Speaker 1: that book. Thank you. Enjoy your reading. Well, after the break,
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Speaker 1: EV sales are booming, but are we sleepwalking into an
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Speaker 1: economic and national security trap? Our Tuesday panel is next.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's jump straight into what else is
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Speaker 1: making news with our Tuesday night panel, Head of Advocacy
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Speaker 1: at Women's Forum Australia, Stephanie Bastian, and News24 contributor Ro Knox. Welcome, ladies.
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Speaker 1: Australia has been accused of sleepwalking into an economic and
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Speaker 1: national security trap, and this is due to a gap
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Speaker 1: in electric vehicle regulations. Ro, what are your concerns around this?
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Speaker 1: What more should we be doing?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Jamie, obviously there was a really interesting piece of
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Speaker 10: investigative journalism last night on this on Four Corners and
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Speaker 10: essentially it exposed that electric vehicles, particularly those being made
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Speaker 10: by both China and Russia, have some significant concerns for
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Speaker 10: Australia in terms of not only privacy because these vehicles
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Speaker 10: have a huge number of cameras and recording devices and
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Speaker 10: and also geo-trackers so they can track where the actual
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Speaker 10: cars are. But they also have a number of issues
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Speaker 10: where software can be controlled remotely. And the gaps in legislation,
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Speaker 10: we just don't have any provisions currently either in our
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Speaker 10: privacy rules or our cyber security legislation. And Jamie, the
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Speaker 10: other thing that was noted last night and this morning
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Speaker 10: in the media is just when we thought this federal
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Speaker 10: government couldn't protect us any less, it was exposed that
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Speaker 10: a number of ministers are using BYD cars, which are
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Speaker 10: the build your dream cars, electric vehicles manufactured in China.
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Speaker 1: It's a scary thought having someone external being able to
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Speaker 1: listen to our conversations. Steph, I mentioned at the top
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Speaker 1: of the show a transgender athlete has claimed a Women's
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Speaker 1: Hockey Best and Fairest Award after finishing ahead of biologically
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Speaker 1: female competitors. Despite growing concerns over safety and competitive fairness,
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Speaker 1: what concerns you the most about this award?
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Speaker 13: Look, I think this really just rubs salt in the wounds.
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Speaker 13: There are players that have obviously voiced their concerns about
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Speaker 13: the fact that there is a male that's being included
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Speaker 13: in female sport. There's been injuries in other sporting codes.
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Speaker 13: And the fact that this player with all his male
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Speaker 13: advantages has gone on to win a second award is
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Speaker 13: just absolutely outrageous. I mean, it's very clear that the
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Speaker 13: code is not listening to the player's And they really
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Speaker 13: do not have a voice. It's just wrong and it's
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Speaker 13: unfair and it really needs to be addressed and I
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Speaker 13: don't think it's going to be addressed until we have
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Speaker 13: a look at the Sex Discrimination Act because of the
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Speaker 13: code around sport is really not being protected and the
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Speaker 13: guidelines put forward by the Australian Human Rights Commission is
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Speaker 13: also pushing this idea that inclusion is more important than
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Speaker 13: fairness and safety.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and the sad reality of this is that biological
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Speaker 1: women and girls will end up being the ones that
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Speaker 1: walk away from playing sport and Ro, Angus Taylor was
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Speaker 1: on the hustings today promising a plan to shield Australians
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Speaker 1: from skyrocketing fuel costs. So he's announced plans for a
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Speaker 1: 27 cent per litre cut to tax on fuel. It's
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Speaker 1: about half the excise to be triggered when crude oil
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Speaker 1: exceeds US $ 100 per barrel. This is bread and butter
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Speaker 1: policy for Australians doing it tough. Do you think this
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Speaker 1: is enough to be able to improve the libs in
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Speaker 1: the polling?
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Speaker 10: I thought this was a really interesting piece of policy
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Speaker 10: because he also tied it to say it was going
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Speaker 10: to get funded through the work that the Coalition has
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Speaker 10: done to cut the tobacco excise. So, as we know,
44:49
Speaker 10: there's the Laffer Curve, which... Essentially, if you tax something
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Speaker 10: too much, your tax revenues end up going down because
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Speaker 10: consumers go elsewhere. And that's what's happened with the tobacco excise.
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Speaker 10: So by the coalition suggesting lowering that, it will mean
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Speaker 10: the tax revenues will go up. And then the Coalition
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Speaker 10: are essentially saying that this way of keeping volatility out
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Speaker 10: of the fuel market that we've seen, particularly after the
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Speaker 10: Iran-US-Israel conflict, will allow Australians to have more stability in
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Speaker 10: terms of being able to budget around fuel. And I
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Speaker 10: thought it was well done to tie it to other.
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Speaker 1: Pieces of work.
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Speaker 10: I think Australians are looking for some... as you said, Jamie,
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Speaker 10: some bread and butter fixes for cost of living. People
45:43
Speaker 10: are doing it so hard. But I think it's also
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Speaker 10: going to be around how do we explain that bigger
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Speaker 10: story to Australians around the macro pieces. So, obviously, the
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Speaker 10: indexing brackets are a big piece of that. There's a
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Speaker 10: huge amount of work that Tim Wilson's doing with small business.
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Speaker 10: And I think it's going to take a while for
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Speaker 10: the polls to.
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Speaker 1: to catch up to that.
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Speaker 10: But I think this was a very good piece of
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Speaker 10: policy today and a very good way of showing you
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Speaker 10: how it's actually going to be funded too, Jamie.
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Speaker 1: They just need to get the cut through so that
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Speaker 1: people can start hearing their messages. Steph, what about this
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Speaker 1: report on the Snowy Hydro? Obviously, this is filled with controversy.
46:25
Speaker 1: But now we're learning detailed cost review has been sitting
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Speaker 1: on a shelf running down the clock on a brewing
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Speaker 1: political storm over its late and bloated expansion. This is
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Speaker 1: Malcolm Turnbull's legacy and the biggest white elephant in the
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Speaker 1: nation's history.
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Speaker 13: Oh, it sure is. And I mean, Australians are struggling
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Speaker 13: with the cost of living and the cost of electricity
46:46
Speaker 13: is a big part of that. I mean, imagine how
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Speaker 13: many nuclear reactors we potentially could have built by now
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Speaker 13: had we not invested in the renewable schemes back in 2017.
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Speaker 13: I mean, there needs to be public accountability for the
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Speaker 13: politicians that are involved in buying into these schemes. I
47:05
Speaker 13: It's cost billions and billions of taxpayer dollars. They don't
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Speaker 13: seem to mind. And I think there's certain parts of
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Speaker 13: the media, particularly those who support climate change, who do
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Speaker 13: not even have no concern about how much it actually
47:17
Speaker 13: costs to try and bring in these renewables instead of
47:20
Speaker 13: looking for more substantial baseload, reliable, cheap electricity. And so,
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Speaker 13: you know, I think with the appointment of Susan Lee
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Speaker 13: to the project, that runs the risk of being a
47:32
Speaker 13: way to neutralise the Liberal Party on this. But if
47:34
Speaker 13: they want to bring back voter confidence, they're going to
47:36
Speaker 13: actually have to distance themselves from the decision to run
47:39
Speaker 13: this project and to push back on the whole renewable
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Speaker 13: scam in the first place. Otherwise, people are not going
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Speaker 13: to restore trust that they can actually deliver properly on
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Speaker 13: these issues and to look for more reliable sources of energy.
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Speaker 1: Now, here's one for everyone. An Australian homeowner who spent
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Speaker 1: money and effort to landscape the nature strip outside her
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Speaker 1: home has had to rip it up. And this is
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Speaker 1: over in WA. The resident spent $ 800 to transform the
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Speaker 1: grass into more environmentally friendly. It sparked debate. Very quickly, ladies,
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Speaker 1: Ro will start with you. Should you be touching your
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Speaker 1: nature strip?
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Speaker 10: So we live near a number of nature strips where
48:26
Speaker 10: some of our neighbours have done the most creative and
48:29
Speaker 10: fabulous things with them. They did consult with other neighbours
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Speaker 10: on the street and they also did get council approval
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Speaker 10: to do that.
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Speaker 1: Sorry, Mo, we have to now go. It is over
48:41
Speaker 1: to the Bolt Report with James McPherson.