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Patriots Unfiltered 12/8: Cardinals Preview and NFL Week 14 Picks · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Is Thursday here at Gillette Stadium, and we're getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for the Arizona Cardinals, a Monday night tilt on ESPN
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  Speaker 1: so everybody can see it. No, no digital platform, A
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  Speaker 1: prime subscription, yea fired locally? What what network is it here?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe we should check Patriots dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Ways to watch? I believe the local affiliate. I mean
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  Speaker 1: it's obviously ESPN right nationally, but I believe it's uh
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  Speaker 1: twenty five, so that's Fox, Yes, okay, Fox twenty five.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not positive on that. Okay, all right? How to
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  Speaker 1: watch information? Yeah? Uh it's Doos, it's Paul, it's Fred,
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  Speaker 1: it's Matt in the booth. Yeah. Will anyone else be
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  Speaker 1: stopping by? Even? Will be practice at twelve thirty five?
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  Speaker 1: So he'll head out there and uh see who's there
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  Speaker 1: for the first official day of practice this week. Stefan
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  Speaker 1: he didn't get anybody back maybe or anybody, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like there's sickness is going around everywhere. So
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  Speaker 1: I know a lot of guys in masks on Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: for that availability. So um yeah, well we'll see who's
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  Speaker 1: out there, and uh, you know, I could use a boost.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe I'd love to see Marcus Can out there. Not
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  Speaker 1: that I think he's like gonna save the offensive line
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  Speaker 1: or anything, but some depth would be nice. Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: invitably by later and then of course we've got picked later,
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  Speaker 1: so it's a big show. It's a big show. Um.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we talked a lot about you know, the
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  Speaker 1: current state of affairs the last two days, and I
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  Speaker 1: think it was good conversation. But you know, let's talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about these Cardinals. I was listening to
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  Speaker 1: some info this morning on one of Paul's shows, and
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  Speaker 1: they were talking about how the Cardinals defense is really
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  Speaker 1: good at not allowing chunk plays, you know, long throws,
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  Speaker 1: but they're like bottom of the league in underneath offense,
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  Speaker 1: letting up underneath offense, which a lot of zone I
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  Speaker 1: mean a lot of zone defense. That's that's the trade off,
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  Speaker 1: I guess. So at the end of the day, is
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  Speaker 1: it a good defense or isn't it? Yeah? Overall, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they terrible, thirty first in the league. They have some
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  Speaker 1: they have some talent, but it hasn't come together and
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  Speaker 1: they haven't. I really feel prepared for this Cardinals team,
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  Speaker 1: Like I just I watched all the hard knocks. I
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  Speaker 1: spent all morning kind of digging into them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: team you don't really know much about. I just I
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  Speaker 1: feel I feel like I've gotten a good dose of
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  Speaker 1: research on them, which you know, usually you just you
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  Speaker 1: kind of know a lot of the teams. But um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of injuries, you know. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's the thing that stands out to me, and
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  Speaker 1: we've talked about, you know, they haven't really had everybody
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  Speaker 1: at once on the offensive side of the ball, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, that's not an excuse. I don't think Kyler
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  Speaker 1: Murray has has played well. I mean, he's certainly his
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  Speaker 1: stats are all, you know, pretty pretty bad, and you know, generally,
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  Speaker 1: I think the sentiment is that he's regressing. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just like you look at their receiver groups, he's
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  Speaker 1: regressing or the league just figured him out. Yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever really that good. I know,
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  Speaker 1: I think maybe there was a period where he kind
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  Speaker 1: of hit his stride and the league hadn't maybe figured
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  Speaker 1: him out yet. But you know, just what stands out
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  Speaker 1: to me is just the receiver group, like it's it's
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  Speaker 1: just a really good group. I mean, I know they
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  Speaker 1: haven't really performed. I mean Hopkins at the top, and
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  Speaker 1: they just got Hollywood Brown back, which you know, those
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  Speaker 1: guys have only played one game together, and I think
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  Speaker 1: that was a big part of the plan. Um. They
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  Speaker 1: talked about you know, Kyler Murray played with with Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: Brown in college at Oklahoma, and so you know, has
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  Speaker 1: a real connection with him. He's got every game he's
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  Speaker 1: played in, he's got a bunch of catches, you know,
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  Speaker 1: five six catches minimum every game he plays. UM. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, you go down the depth chart and then
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  Speaker 1: it's like you get to you know, Robbie Anderson, who's
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  Speaker 1: like their fourth with AJ Green is like kicking around.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Greg Dortch, who I think
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  Speaker 1: they're gonna get back Dortch or or Rondel Moore. They
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  Speaker 1: Kingsberry was saying the other day he's hopeful to get
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  Speaker 1: one of those guys back. But um, it's an interesting group,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't think they've got some weapons. Do you
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  Speaker 1: talk about the weapons here? And it's like, man, if
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  Speaker 1: you stack these guys up, I mean, I'm sure there's
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  Speaker 1: plenty of fans out there would be like, give me
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  Speaker 1: a J Brown right now. Not that he's still the
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  Speaker 1: same AJ Brown, but he's like their fifth receiver right now. Um, So,
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  Speaker 1: just an interesting kind of group. They run James Conner jumpy.
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  Speaker 1: I want to go back to their defense though, because
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  Speaker 1: I'm more concerned about us scoring points here. How are
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  Speaker 1: they against the run? I mean they're not good. I
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  Speaker 1: mean overall there, Uh let me see what they pull up.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they're okay, yeah, I mean really bad against
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  Speaker 1: the past. You want to talk about DVA. They're twenty
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  Speaker 1: ninth against the run. So I mean they have they
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  Speaker 1: have some players though. I mean they have JJ Watt,
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  Speaker 1: who's having a decent season for for him, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a resurgence. I think he's at
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  Speaker 1: like six seven sacks, someone in that range. Um, Isaiah
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  Speaker 1: Simmons has been real up and down. That's a guy
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  Speaker 1: that we all really liked. Um, he was benched early
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  Speaker 1: in the year. They took some snaps away from him.
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  Speaker 1: He has been really inconsistent. Savan Collins another guy that
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  Speaker 1: that really fit the Patriots kind of scheme at linebacker.
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  Speaker 1: He's been having a good season. He's coming on um.
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  Speaker 1: And then Buddha Baker in the back end who returned
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  Speaker 1: after like one week on a high ankle sprain, kind
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  Speaker 1: of their emotional leader. But uh, they're missing their top corner.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't look like he's gonna, you know, be able
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  Speaker 1: to play shoot h Byron Murphy. Yeah, so he's probably out.
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  Speaker 1: So they have some talent um, but it hasn't come
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  Speaker 1: together for them. And I see a lot of what
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  Speaker 1: I see in the Patriots in that they have a
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  Speaker 1: lot of penalties, a lot of pre snap stuff. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they're just killing themselves a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 1: What kind of defense do they run? Is it? It's
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  Speaker 1: it's just a pretty standard Collins and Simmons are kind
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  Speaker 1: of the main two linebackers. You know, you've got two
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  Speaker 1: stand up guys in the edge, and then JJ Watt
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  Speaker 1: and the kid from from BC, Zach Allen, who's having
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  Speaker 1: a good year, he kind of manned they on a
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  Speaker 1: man the inside. So, um, they're aggressive, you're gonna yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they're and they're gonna blitz a lot. I mean, Bill
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  Speaker 1: said earlier this week they're gonna blitz fifty percent of
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  Speaker 1: the time. So um, it's uh, it's you're gonna have
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  Speaker 1: to handle pressure, and I think the ball is gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to come out quick, you know. I think to
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  Speaker 1: your point, the zone defense, they play checkdowns, getting it
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  Speaker 1: out that that's probably gonna be the key against these game.
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  Speaker 1: And they're, um the worst in the league in the
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  Speaker 1: red zone. Patriots obviously the worst in the league offensively
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  Speaker 1: in the red zone, so that I think that's a
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  Speaker 1: big part of the game. I think you'll be able
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  Speaker 1: to move the ball against this this team, and whether
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  Speaker 1: or not you're able to get sevens as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: three is. It's funny how you you look at it
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  Speaker 1: like I'm worried about the offense, like the matchup. I
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  Speaker 1: look at it the opposite. I'm like, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: all those weapons that you're talking about, can the defense
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  Speaker 1: hold them under twenty five? Yep? Yeah, Like that's that's
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  Speaker 1: what I look at because I think if you get
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  Speaker 1: past that magic number. I get very concerned. Yep, yep,
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  Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, I think the you know, the
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  Speaker 1: mobility of Kyler Murray Um. You know, Evan wrote a
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  Speaker 1: little bit and his preview as well with you know,
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  Speaker 1: haven't done a ton with him this year, but it's
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  Speaker 1: just you look at what the Patriots have done against
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  Speaker 1: those kind of quarterbacks, and it's got to be tempting
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  Speaker 1: for them at this point. With Cliff, I cannot get
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  Speaker 1: Cliff Kings, I cannot get that one out double kas
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  Speaker 1: with him four and eight. He might be like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: we just got to throw it at the wall. Whatever
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  Speaker 1: we can do, be aggressive and you know, maybe throw
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  Speaker 1: caution to the wind a little bit. That's that's a
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  Speaker 1: little bit concerning. But but the weapons, and you talk
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  Speaker 1: about you know, not that they're gonna go five wide
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  Speaker 1: on them, but but they have guys they could stress
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  Speaker 1: some matchup. I'm thinking it's gonna be a good offensive game,
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  Speaker 1: similar if not better than what we saw in Minnesota.
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  Speaker 1: I like the fact that it's indoors. Elements aren't going
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  Speaker 1: to be a factor. I like the fact that it's
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  Speaker 1: in Arizona. Patriots fans always turn out in Arizona. So
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be a good contingent of Patriots fans at
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  Speaker 1: this game. I don't like the Patriots chances in that
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  Speaker 1: kind of a game, if you're right, Yeah, so I'll
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  Speaker 1: say that, Okay, if it's an offensive game, yeah yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Well how can you know if it's a mid game
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  Speaker 1: like Minnesota, I don't like the Patriots chances. Well, I know,
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  Speaker 1: but you clean up a few things and you win
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  Speaker 1: that game. You gotta finish, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: They moved the ball, but they didn't finish, and I
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  Speaker 1: mean that's the recurring thing. The red zone. So I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: this is like, as you said, a terrible red zone defense.
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  Speaker 1: You know. I also think though, like I just think
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  Speaker 1: those are all relative, and I mean you look at
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  Speaker 1: the red zone percentages, and you know what really is
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  Speaker 1: the red zone? Those are only plays they're inside the twenty.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, I would consider getting inside the thirty
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  Speaker 1: is you know, somewhat of a red zone play. So
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, those percentages I think can be a
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  Speaker 1: little bit skewed, and suddenly they're not with the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just just off the top of my head,
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  Speaker 1: I'll bet you if you take amount of points scored
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  Speaker 1: once the Patriots get into the other team's territory. I'll
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  Speaker 1: bet you it's awful, right, think of all those opportunities
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  Speaker 1: they had early in the season where they took over
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  Speaker 1: at midfield and they came away with nothing like negative
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  Speaker 1: plays because I had five field goals from Nick Folk.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there was a stat points earned whatever that
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  Speaker 1: there was a stat rolling around this week Patriots were
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  Speaker 1: like twenty eighth in the league and converting first downs
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  Speaker 1: into either a first down or a touchdown. Yeah, So like,
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  Speaker 1: no matter where they are in the field, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: moved the ball. No, Patriots have been terrible on first
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  Speaker 1: down this year. I mean that's you know, one of
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  Speaker 1: the stats that continually pops up, and I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's I think it's a little bit distressing. It's
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  Speaker 1: something that I think is under the radar right now.
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  Speaker 1: Is just the fact that they don't have a run
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  Speaker 1: game anymore. And you know, coming into the season the
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  Speaker 1: last few years, you felt like you have to have
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  Speaker 1: a run game with this team, and it's it's just
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  Speaker 1: the lack of production there. I think is something that's
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  Speaker 1: a little bit under the radar right now and could really, really,
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  Speaker 1: really you know, cost them games here down the end.
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  Speaker 1: If they can't find a way to get going, you've
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  Speaker 1: only got Stevenson. Curious of Harris is out there, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, do they trust any of these young kids?
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't think Stevenson's gonna be able to carry
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  Speaker 1: the load for the last five games and just do
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  Speaker 1: everything at some point stronger the other. Harris has to
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  Speaker 1: do something. I mean, one carry last week for Harris.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and I mean you talk about you flip
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  Speaker 1: it over, you know, to the to the Cardinals, and
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  Speaker 1: I mean James Conner is the same thing. They had
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  Speaker 1: an issue, uh with one of their backs that they cut,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Benjamin. It was weird. You know, he was there,
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  Speaker 1: their second back and they just cut them seventeen carries
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  Speaker 1: and they just they just let him go out of nowhere.
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  Speaker 1: Young kid. A little bit of a controversy there. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so they've didn't make it into hard knocks, No, they
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  Speaker 1: completely left that out by the way. Um, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, Klim, very interesting guy. Can I
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  Speaker 1: ask you a quick question. You had the DVOA uh
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  Speaker 1: for run defense, but Arizona, what are the Patriots DVOAM
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  Speaker 1: run defense? Uh? I don't know if I have that.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, I just have all their terrible offenses
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  Speaker 1: that's in front of me. I hold that for well. No,
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  Speaker 1: just I mean the reason I asked, wait, sorry, oh no, wait,
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  Speaker 1: that's them. Sorry, no, I'm not sure to look. Because
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  Speaker 1: their numbers against the run are very similar. That's why
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  Speaker 1: it was like they were kind of middle of the pack.
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  Speaker 1: And then you said twenty nine. That was like the
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  Speaker 1: Patriots much worse against the run than I think, because
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: I don't think the Patriots are bad, Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: think they ad this year against the run. They haven't
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  Speaker 1: been great, you know, and they've been a little inconsistent,
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  Speaker 1: but I don't think they've been like a problem, not
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  Speaker 1: like years past. Yeah, it hasn't been a problem. I
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  Speaker 1: agree with you. I think the only thing that kind
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  Speaker 1: of stands out to me, and the only thing that
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  Speaker 1: I can recall from the top of my mind is
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  Speaker 1: there they're still They don't make any plays in the backfield,
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  Speaker 1: they don't make plays behind the line of scrimmage, tackles
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  Speaker 1: for lost these things. Just I mean, they think they're
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  Speaker 1: twenty a twenty nine and you know, run stuffs and
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  Speaker 1: you know, getting just snuff and plays out guys get stuff,
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  Speaker 1: but not much. But I'll look that up for you, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: I'll find out. I mean, it's um. You know, overall
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  Speaker 1: though I think they've been okay. I think they've been
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  Speaker 1: okay against the run, but you know, you just hear
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  Speaker 1: him so much over the last couple of months of
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  Speaker 1: stopped the run, get to the past and like and
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  Speaker 1: even when they've been doing that, it's not it's not good.
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  Speaker 1: How about the coaching matchup. I mean, obviously Bill wins
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  Speaker 1: pretty much, but you know, going below Bill on both teams, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what do you think? Yeah, well, I mean Kingsbury's kind
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  Speaker 1: of the OC himself. I mean, and I think I
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  Speaker 1: think he talked about earlier in the season maybe not
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  Speaker 1: calling plays anymore, and that's gone by the wayside. Us
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  Speaker 1: Joseph as on the defensive side very aggressive, So I
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  Speaker 1: think that's um, it's a it's a huge piece of it,
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  Speaker 1: dealing with pressure this week and you know, being able
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  Speaker 1: to get the ball out and I mean, I just
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, though, I worry that that game
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  Speaker 1: plan is going to feed into what they tried to
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  Speaker 1: do last week, where right this team can't stop the
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  Speaker 1: short they're gonna blitz us. Let's take all the underneath
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  Speaker 1: stuff and then this is some must win for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: Ye oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I think every games
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  Speaker 1: a must win until they're either mathematically in or out. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I just it's hard to these two are
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  Speaker 1: must wins. This road trip with the NFC teams or teams,
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  Speaker 1: you don't see a lot. I don't really. I don't
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  Speaker 1: feel like I get a beat on them, like like
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  Speaker 1: some of the other teams are used to facing. You say,
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  Speaker 1: I like this game, I don't know. I really don't.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be a back and forth. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what are they four and eight? Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean they haven't been a good team this year. Then
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: they've lost, yeah, three starting offensive lineman they've lost, So,
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  Speaker 1: I mean they've they've had some issues there, but like
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  Speaker 1: they've do seventy seven players, the most in football. They've
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  Speaker 1: been completely decimated with injuries, but the talent is there.
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  Speaker 1: Just go to the last I mean, they haven't had
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  Speaker 1: their offense really until the last game, and now they've
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  Speaker 1: had two weeks to get that's my fear to get
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  Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown fully healthy from the broken fourth teams on
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  Speaker 1: the Swing are playing well, at least their offensive played.
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  Speaker 1: But the Raiders are playing better. And now that you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're saying that the Cardinals offense, the Cardinals aren't playing better.
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  Speaker 1: But with this group together, hey look they've they've played well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Is this when I think this is this? Is that
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  Speaker 1: that line when Marie starts talking any Oh my god,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: I couldn't stop that. I couldn't You're confident, into your
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: into your shirt. I couldn't stop laughing. Um, but you know,
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: you just you hear the guys on Hard Knocks talk
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: and you can just you can hear it. And Kylin
• 14:41
  Speaker 1: Murray just feeling like we just haven't had a chance
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: to get our offense on the field this year. Um,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: and I mean clearly Hopkins is a huge piece of it.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Another clip that uh, you know, Sean Jefferson, the wide
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: receivers coach of the Cardinals, still wearing those pants Freddy
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: oh with the zoo baz No no, no, remember the
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: the spandex pants, the you know, the under the leggings. Yeah,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: the leggings he used to wear a practice and he
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: used to make Fred very uncomfortable. Really, wow, that's all
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: he would wear, right with no support tan. Yeah, with
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: no like shorts over them like people. So you know,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: he come running at you and a lot looking at
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: you there. I think you know. Hopkins missed the first
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: six games with suspension. Then he came back and immediately
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: it was like ten for like one thirty or whatever
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: it was. They've played four games together, Hopkins and Murray
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: because then since Hopkins has been back, Murray missed two
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: of those games. They've played four games together. I said
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: this yesterday. They averaged over twenty eight points a game
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: in those four games that they've played together. If they
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: get to twenty eight, I don't feel good. Yeah, why
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: should you? Because again and I listen, I did, I
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: did Andy's podcast this morning, you know with with Fitzy,
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Andy and Fitzy. At some point that's gonna end, right
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: at some point? No good though the old four ten
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: I think it is when the other opponent's score is
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: twenty five from at some point, the page is gonna
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: win a game, you know, thirty one twenty seven. It's
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: gonna happen team at some point, But until it does,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: I can't expect it to. So if you expect the
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: other team to be up in the mid to high twenties,
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: you're expecting a loss. Yeah, so that you just can't
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: feel good about it. No, I mean they played Hollywood
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Brown in the slot last week too, So it's just
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, they've got speed, and you know, it's just
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: they've they've they've got problems that you know. I just
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think that the full season of the Cardinals
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: tells the full story. Maybe on defense it does, because
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: they just haven't really found a way to, you know,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: make the big plays. I mean that the Chargers game
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: went right down to the end. They gave it a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: two point conversion right at the end. Well, well, you
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: had a question in your round table this week, like
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: what's the one thing that can improve to shore up
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: the problems that they've had recently and what was the consensus.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: I haven't put it together. Put it together. They've all
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: come in, but I haven't. Today's today's Thursday. Today's really
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: a Wednesday. Yeah, okay, it'll go tomorrow. Yeah, I know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard at this point. Hit the same question.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I thought the pass rush, Yeah, you know, that was
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: something that was really an asset early in the season,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and it starts it stopped being that. Yeah, and I
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: think you need to, you know, improve the pass rush
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: because with all these guys, you're not going to be
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: able to cover him forever. So you have to play
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: complimentary defense when they pass. And the one thing that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: I think that we haven't seen recently is is consistent pressure. Yeah,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I mean they just don't. They don't have the horses
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: right now. I mean they don't have a you know,
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I think I think there was too much kind of
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: on bar Moore and Daniel. Quality hasn't been great. I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: mean everybody. There's a lot of josh uj parade's going
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: around right now, which you know, I'm like, but it's
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: sporadic production. Guy coming in in the eighth, you're you're
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: down by five, and he hits a home run, Well
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: that's great, but we're still down by four. And if
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: he does, like if josh Ucha does what he did
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: the other night and makes a big play, you know,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: every game has a situational pass that's good. Like that's like,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not no, but I'm not just from him, No,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about him specifically. The Joshua thing. I'm
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: not looking for sixteen sacks from josh Uchaya, but if
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he can come in you know, twenty twenty five snaps
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a game and show up on a play or two,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: like that's what you're looking for. Yeah, I haven't seen
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: that enough from him. I saw it the other night.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: That was a big play. But I need to see
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: a little bit more before I'm like against you know,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: like everybody else like dominant right, Well, this is I mean,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: you know they're on a backup left tackle, so that's
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: his jam. So you know, the problem was compromised. The
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: problem with that play last week is it gets diminished
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: because they didn't turn into anything. Yeah. You know in
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the past, you get that turnover before the half and
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: set up and good and you would get points. Yeah,
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: you know, I know that's that That that that bugged me.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: I mean that's just you know, it's complimentary football, as
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: you say, the side's giving each other hope. You know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: it's like you make the big defense makes the big play.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: What do they come away each other hope? As Fred
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: ker mantras, that's what he used to teach or you know,
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: believe in. Yeah, but it's uh. I enjoy watching hard
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: knocks though, I mean a little behind the scenes kind
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of stuff. I just you get you you just get
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: a feel for the team like like no other kind
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: of thing, especially when it's in season and you know
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: exactly what they think their issues are. And um, you
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: know I I I love Cliff Kingsbury's I got I
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: got at that time he got it out. I love
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: his voice. Now it's a natural. The track is natural
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: grass I believe you've been there. Yeah, right, They they
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: comes in and out. Yeah, they have a big out,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the big trays, get some sun, go out soft. If
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: it depends on the way if it goes out is
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, it depends on the weather. If they water
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: it nice and it goes in moist, yeah, yeah, so
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: it goes in easier. Yeah, yeah, you know. And yeah,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: so anyway, so what if what if Cliff Kingsbury, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they're coming off their bye week, so it's kind of
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: even there. Both sides had plenty of time in between
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: their last games. Maybe he looked back and to you
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: a point, Mike, he said, well, you know, I watched
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: this team play Baltimore and Lamar Jackson was a problem.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: And I watched them play Chicago and Justin Fields was
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a problem. And he says, I know, we don't want
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: to run Kyler Murray a lot, but you know, we're
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: four and eight here. We got to find a way
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to get some wins, you know, Yeah, and back against
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: the tyler. You know, I know we don't want to
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: do it all the time, but in this game, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: Fred made the point. You're on national television a Monday
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: night football, Cliff Kingsbury might want to put his best
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: foot forward here and say, you know what we got,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: we gotta do some design runs with the quarterback because
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: that's going to give us a better chance against this team.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Chicago wasn't doing a lot of design runs with Justin
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: Fields until that night either. And now all of a sudden,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: he's been unleashed. And another thing to that point, Paul,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and tying it back to the injuries, is that he's
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: been back on this hamstring injury for a while. So
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I wonder if that's kind of fed into let's not
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: run this guy when he's dealing with a hamstring injury.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: That seems like and I'm sure that that that durability
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: issues was part of the reason why they haven't dialed
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: up a lot of runs because he's a small kid,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, and he runs with the ball in one
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: you ever see him. He does fumble a lot. That's
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: probably another reason I think he has six fumbles. I
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: can't believe they haven't said you got to tuck that
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: ball away. Well says he runs with his I know,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: it's like he can't run with his arms close. He
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: has to have him out there for the balance. Yeah. Yeah,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: he's an interesting dude. He's an interesting dude. But I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: think his biggest problem is off field. Like, I don't
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: think like that stuff when he was going through his
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: contract extension about watching film, you know, you know, doing
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: the things they need to do. I don't think that
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: his teammates have necessarily embraced him. I don't think he
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't come off as a great leader
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: from Afar. Again, I don't know. I don't know. Well,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: there's some Patrick Peterson comments to this year about you know,
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: he was taken aback by I guess he would so
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I would say there's two things, two ways that can go.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: He had. I mean, they have some dysfunction going on.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: He's been at odds with Kingsbury. I think he was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: sort of bickering with Hopkins last game. Uh, you know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: so like there's two ways that can go, you had
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: a bye week, Did it fester and it's just gonna
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: be bottoming out Monday night? Or did they have a
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: come to Jesus meeting and figure this out and say
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: all right, let's let's let's go. All get on the
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: same page and let's go. Because I just I can't
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: get past Hopkins, Brown, more aj Green. You know, Za
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Zackertz is out. But uh, you know, with James Connor
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: and Kyler Murray, that's a that's a team that should
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: be able to put thirty up on you. And you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: know at times they've been able to do that at times.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Now you know, it's it's twenty nine, it's twenty six,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's forty two. You know, Uh, you know they've
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: been able to score in some games. You know, to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to put forty two on New Orleans, that's a pretty
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: good defense. Now. I don't maybe the Saints we're missing
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that game. I forgive me. I
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: don't know the ins and outs of everybody's depth chart
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: for every game, but there were there are times when
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: offensively they've looked okay. Um, And like I said recently,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: it's twenty six, twenty one, twenty seven, twenty four and
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: one of the games that they had ten was with
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Colt McCoy. Yeah, against the Niners, best best defense in
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: the league, with their backup quarterback. Yeah, speaking of backup quarterbacks,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: I don't amount to digress, but Baker Mayfield chance he
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: might play tonight for the Rams, as I do, like,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: I find it absurd they even brought him in. Well,
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: I mean seas I understand why they brought him in. Why, Well,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: because I think you have obviously you're gonna be missing
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Stafford and they're clearly not sold on their current backup situation.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: But they're not competing for a playoff spot, I know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But you find out if there's anything there to bring
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: him back, so you have so you have a backup
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: to Stafford next year. Yes, he's gonna come want to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: come back as a backup. I don't really think when
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: you get released you have a lot of choices. No,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: I know, but like like a lot of people were
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: stunted that he got claimed, period. Yeah, a lot of
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: people were on record saying I don't believe that he'll
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: get claimed. So they were the only teams. So you
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: think that Mayfield might be resigned to the fact that
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to start in this league. I mean,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is he resigned to it or is that the fact? Well? No,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: is he resigned to I don't think he's resigned to it.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But I think he's got to find an opportunity he's got.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know in his mind, he probably
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: thinks like, I need this kind of offense or this
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: kind of coach, or I need something that was what
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: I'm getting at, you know. And so hey, Sean McVay,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: this is an offense that I think, you know. And
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: what if Sean McVay says, hey, listen, you know Stafford's
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: coming up. This is a really serious thing that Stafford's
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: dealing with. You know what if he comes to them
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: in March and says, hey, look huge, I'm done. Yep.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say something. I know. I was waiting.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I was waiting for a friend. Friend, like, I'm not
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: going to get in an argument with you, but like
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you have like a spinal contusion. Yeah, that's not like right,
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: that can happen when you're twenty four two. Okay, man,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: I mean he got a he got a Super Bowl too,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: like you know how, I mean, he's had a lot
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: of injuries over the course of his career how much.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: But I you know, I can see why Baker Mayfield
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: will want to go there just based on the oh
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I can see he had no choice. Yeah, I could
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: see what's the downside for Baker Mayfield. I understand why
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay would roll the dice because I don't think
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: that Matthew Staffords is a sure thing right now. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I like Matthew Stafford. Fred's gonna make fun
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of me. But I think if you get him in
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you can find out exactly what you have with with
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield in the last five weeks. Like this is
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: a guy I think could really thrive in my offense.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: This is a guy that he's not a fit. I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: guess if you're saying that Stafford's not a sure thing,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: then okay, yeah, but I mean, how can you say
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Stafford's a sure thing? I didn't know the injury was
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that like he was out for possibly out for twenty
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: twenty three. Oh no, no, he's not going to be
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: out for twenty twenty three. He may decide I'm not
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: playing anymore. Okay, Well, either way, like a sure thing,
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: like I'm just like I'm not saying that there's any
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: reports that say that Matthew Stafford might not play next year.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I'm saying the guys in his late thirties and has
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a spinal contusion. I think he might say, you know what,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I got lucky, I'm getting out. So he's not a
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: sure thing. So in mcvay's mine, he's not sure. He's
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: making me a report. I'm not reporting. Its mine. He's
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: not sure one way or the other. I might have
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, and I may not have a quarterback
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: next but he also might look at it this. Yeah,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: Stafford's back, but I can't rely on to play seventeen games.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: I need a viable backup. And if this guy is
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: a fit for my offense, I can sell him on. Hey,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: look Stafford is what is Stafford like? Thirty seven Brown there? Yeah,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: you know, you know he's not just not getting any younger.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: He's my guy. But you'll come in, you'll have an
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: opportunity to compete. Okay, we went to side until warmups.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Was just on the ESPN crawl there. But I mean,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: I think you can't imagine that you you you signed
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: a guy on Tuesday and you play them on a
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: third right, right, and put the quarterback. But that's fine
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: for like a running back or something. But it's crazy.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, there're three and nine. Maybe they're getting that point.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: We haven't seen the Patriots get too yet where it's like, hey,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: we're three and nine. Let's just I mean everything Paul
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: said is true, but I mean just across the roster now,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it's kind of the time. You're three and nine. We
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: got to figure out what we got for next year?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Who are the guys that we can count on against
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: the wall would say promise you know, Um, I hope
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: we don't see those days here, but I that might
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: be where they're at. Yeah, So I just thought that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: was interesting. Five five past five hundred is the ACE
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: ticket outline, web radio at Patriots dot com is the
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: email address. Let's get to some of our callers and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: emails because we do have a busy show. So we'll
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: start with Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean? If I
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: got a couple of things. Now, I don't have access
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: to football outsiders, so I don't know Dboa, but I
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: was looking up the stats for defensive like yards per carry,
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots are around tenth at four point one
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: and Arizona is about twenty third about with four point six,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: but with touchdowns, Patriots are tied for first at five
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and Arizona is around twenty with thirteen. So against the run,
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are better. But my question is
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: on the offense, Uh, Arizona is not good against tight ends.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So we know, like you said, they're going to come after,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are going to be aggressive against mac. So
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: do you think they do more screens and like try
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: and get Johno involved maybe and Hunter Henry again in
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: the end Zona, see if you can get some touchdowns,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: if you can get down there, it'd be great. Um,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm out of these Yeah, I don't know.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: I feel like we keep getting these like questions everywhere,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: like who do they get in if Deuce is right
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: and they're gonna blitz at least fifty percent of the
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: time or not blitz somehow some type of manufactured pressure
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: fifty percent of the time. I mean, you're gonna have
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: to have some type of blitzpeeder, you know, ready to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: go in his pocket. Yeah, So whether that's screen or
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: draws or whatever. Yeah, I just didn't need it. Yeah,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just don't know. How many screens you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: can do in a game. I mean, simmently, it just
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: comes down to you guys got to protect. They gotta
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: pick up stunts and Mac has to recognize what's going
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: on and get the ball out quick, which I mean
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I do think he has some potential for that. This,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: as we said, seems like it's lining up no weather
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: zone kind of defense. But yeah, the pressure could be
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: a real problem with the offensive line doesn't come to play,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: especially you know, uncertainty at right tackle. And you know,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: this guy that was talking this morning was talking about
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like how you know, like Mac gets the ball out
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: quicker than Murray or whatever. And he's said he was saying,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots offensive line was really good, which
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: which shows and you know the number of sacks that
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: they gave up. It's like, well, you just said that
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: he's getting rid of the ball. You know, probably offensive
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: line wasn't right, probably sooner than and he wants to Yeah,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: that's not that doesn't mean the offensive line is good. Yeah,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: you know, it's hard to take like a certain stat
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna extrapolate it to like, well they didn't do this,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: so that means this that's why. So you just look
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: at the stats and say, oh, no sacks last week?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Well all right, you know, and you also like you
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: just need to watch the game exactly like, yeah, there
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: was like immediate pressure on a vast majority or that.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Actually I think it was something like, yeah, it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: thirty nine in change pressure rate last week. The offensive
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: line wasn't good. Now, I get you know. Connor McDermott
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: just came came in off the Jets practice squad and
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: played like, yeah, you know it's tough. Yeah. Uh, Patty's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: an agawam. What's up? Patty? Hey? Everyone? Bay Um, I
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: got a few things I want to get into. All
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: make it quick because I know you got picked today, Paulie.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You brought up a bunch of good reasons why I
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: don't think they're they're gonna win this game, most notably
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: just the way they've struggled against the guys that can
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: run at quarterback position this year. Um, I don't know
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: what the hell happened between twenty twenty and these last
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: two years, but you know, we played these guys two
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: years ago and Lamar Jackson two years ago beat them,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: and it just seems like the last two years they
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: haven't been able to get a good beat on getting
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: pressure and just keeping these guys contained. So and I
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: just don't you know, if they score twenty eight points,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: it's lighted out. Forget it. Yeah, And I just have
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I kind of have a quick crazy question too, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that is number one. I'm glad that they select next
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: week's game out. But let's say Week eighteen against the Bills,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's a win in their end game and Buffalo's
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: tied everything up. They got home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think if you're Buffalo, do you let the
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Patriots just do you just take the foot off the pedal,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: or do you just trying to beat them and say, no, sorry,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you're not making the playoffs this year. I'd let them in. Well,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: I mean it's probably a decent chance that that would
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: be who they're gonna play, right, I mean, seven verses two,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: this is probably just for the seventh seed again anymore,
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: he's saying they got it locked up, number one, number one,
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: So you wouldn't play that. I But I mean, for me,
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it's you sit Josh Allen or not. That's the question,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: because otherwise I don't think that there's anything that the
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: bills are necessarily gonna do. That's gonna signal that they're
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: just gonna take the foot off the gas. I mean,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: if he's playing, they're probably playing. And I also think
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: teams that have the bye generally play. Some guys like
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: I think I think Josh Josh Allen's situation is is
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: definitely uh factors in like with the elbow and all that. Um,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: But if they don't play in week eighteen, then they
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: don't play the next week. A lot of teams don't
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: like to do that, to have like three weeks in
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: between games. Yeah. Um, you know, some teams have done it.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: The Patriots have done it a little bit in the past.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: When they've had a bye. They've played like the first half,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: you know, some of those uh let Letterman games, Fred,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: you know, like everybody gets the letter of the second half.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: The thing about Buffalo is they're talented enough that I mean,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: not everybody can sit right, That's right, That's my whole point.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That's the talent talented enough to beat you anyway. Yeah,
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: but I just wonder what Buffalo's mentality would be, like
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: do we want to keep them in or out? Because
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I think you can make an argument if you're Buffalo.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: The way they've played against the Patriots, I'll take them
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: as one of the other seven right over, like Vegas
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: over any who knows, or I mean there's really four teams.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: It's Vegas, Jets, Patriots. I mean the Jets have given
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: them fits. But there is something to be said about
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: we never want to let the Patriots have anything, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: we want to dominate them. We want to keep this
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: streak of wins going. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah they could,
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: but I would understand if they if they looked at
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: it from afar and said, would I rather played the
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: If I had to play in the playoffs at some point,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: would have either play the Jets or the Patriots. I'd
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: rather play the Patriots had much more success against them.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are more talented than the Jets. Well,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: Jets issues, yeah, I think because a good little discussion
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: during picks of this game of the Jets Bills this week,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you know, another kind of rematch, like I feel like
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: the Bills are gonna Oh, I don't think take him
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: to the woodshot? Yeah that on Sunday. I think they're
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: tired of people like me saying the Jets have given
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the bills problems, um Anthony and Hertfordshire, England or shy
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: right whatever. I'm sure I don't have ever care to
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: correct me. I just wanted to say how much I
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: enjoyed Tuesday's show. It was really interesting to hear everyone's
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: take on the current situation and the possible moves which
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: we made after the season. I have one question, do
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you does the crew think Bill will pass Don Shula's
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: record for most wins as a coach and as so
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: will he do it as the head coach of the Patriots.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. You don't think so. I do. Wow,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: So he needs about what twenty one so that could
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: be anywhere from two to three years? Yeah? Or four? Yeah?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Come on, I mean I thought three was a stretch. Yeah.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, how many middling seasons are the crafts willing
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to accept, you know, unless they find talent. I mean,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: they got to find talent, and that's anything. So you're
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: saying if he doesn't do it in two seasons, he's
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not going to do it as a Patriots coach. I
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: mean I think next next season might be the turning
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: point where either the team seems like it finds some
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: players who can play and at a plus level and
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: win games. Let's say he gets three more wins this season, right,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: so that that means he's he's eighteen more, right, nine
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: and nine? Nine and nine. I mean, that's feasible. That's
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: why I said, yeah, two to three more seasons. Two
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: was nine and nine. I mean I feel kind of
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: like I feel about the Patriots season like this year,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: like could it happen? Yeah, but I think you'd need
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to see some major major changes as far as the
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: team is over the next year, and it needs to
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: and it needs to happen very very soon, because I
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean think this is a five hundred
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: team the next couple of years based on how it's
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: been going. I hope not. Well, maybe we'll see what
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: they you know, it's hard to say what they're going
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to be the next couple of years without knowing what
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the roster's gonna look like. But I think it's a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: five hundred team the last two years. And that's I
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: mean like that, that's what their talent to me showed. Well.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know, they were able to go ten and seven
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: last year. It looks like they're probably going to go
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know, eight nine, nine and eight. Maybe if
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: you everything falls right, that's and that's why I feel
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: like this year, I mean, building off the last year,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: I might have said yes, but this year it feels
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: like things have regressed. Things are not heading in the
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: right direction. Do I think that a continuation of what
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: this offense is into twenty twenty three is going to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: get them to eight wins next year? I don't know.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You're gonna have some some significances to deal with. It's
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: hard to We don't know what the hell's going on
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: with Kendrick Bourne. Jacobe Myers is a free agent. You know,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: there's already you know some just Evan mentioned speculation of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you know, Hunter Henry having an out in his contract.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: So you know, hey, let's run back the offense, but
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: let's also get rid of Max's three favorite guys that
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: he's been throwing to, you know, like like you got
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: to make some effort to figure out what you're doing
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: and what they're going to do with the old line. Richard,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: New York City a big fan of the show. I
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: grew up about fifteen minutes away from the stadium when
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: it was Sullivan then Foxborough Stadium before it became Gillette
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots became a dynasty with Craft buying the
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: team at Parcel's coming in the prior year to coach.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on Craft making a big change
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: so this team does not revert back to the Victor
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Kaiam Dick McPherson type of era. Well, I mean, he
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: makes a big change. What makes you convinced that it
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be a yeah, you know, I mean change for
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: change sake isn't always good and guarantee that let's get
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: rid of Bill. I mean, you're you're You're throwing it
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: up into the win and I'm not gonna like listen,
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: I think the emailers exaggerating to make a fact. You
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: know who does that more than me? I mean I
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: do that too. But don't forget just how bad it
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: was with the Victor Kai am different fear. I don't
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: think we'll ever see those days as long as Robert
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Craft is in charge. Yeah, no, I don't either. But
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the thing that was interesting to
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: me the Cardinals whatever four and eight, is that what
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: they are is right, just the similarities. Listening to them
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: kind of talk in the locker room, of the conversations
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: that they have it sounds exactly like what we say.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And and they they're a talented team. I mean, I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: think if you stack the talent, you probably picked the
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: Cardinals in terms of you know, I mean, Hopkins alone
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: is probably better than anybody the Patriots have. Um. But
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: you you rattled off the receivers, you get down of
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: the fifth receiver, you'd probably take them over anybody the
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Patriots have. That's my whole point. Like, you know, the
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: guy that people coveted in the office, how many how
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: many questions do we get about Robbie and Erson. That's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's a guy people want. It's playing
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: like ten snaps the game. Um. But the things that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: you hear, it's just these are these are teams that
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: can't get out of their own way, and it's always
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: one thing or another. You know, if it's all right,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: it's great. Patriots haven't turned the ball over, Paul. I mean,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it was excellent how we laid it out yesterday. They
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: haven't turned the ball over in the three weeks. They've
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: the shorten things up, but they're not scoring. And you know,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's whackamle with these teams. And certainly injuries
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: are a big pactor and for both teams. I mean,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the Patriots are, you know, starting a guy that was
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: on the Jets two weeks ago at right tackle. But
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you know, you just you see teams that can't quite
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: get in line, and it's it's and I don't want
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: to say it's not related to talent, but just losing
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: teams or middling teams. They all kind of have the
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: same characteristics. And I think that even though the Patriots
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: are technically a five hundred team and the colt and
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals are losing team right now, I just there
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: are a lot of things. You're like, Man, this sounds
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: really familiar to me right now what they're saying to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: their team as to what we're talking about with the Patriots.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Eight five, five past five hundred. Let's go to William
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: and Philham. What's up, William? What's going on for it?
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: How you knowing? Good? Okay? Um, I don't have the
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Patriots making the playoffs they see this season. Not when
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: you gotta face receivers like Digs Chase Us Tarrico, and
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I know I had them at eight nine. I had
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: him at eight nine before the season, and I see
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a real good path to that number. You know you do. Yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I see maybe winning the next two, but losing the
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: last three. Yep, you know, I don't know about the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: next that's about right, right, yeah, okay, Um, here's my
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: question I want to ask you. Do you see could
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: you see some of Mac Jones asking Bill the season
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: is done, ask for three? I saw this yesterday? Oh
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: or Loki, I said it. If that's the case. If
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that's the case, then it's a lot worse than even
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: we think it is right now, exactly, yeah, right, yeah, right.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: I would have to be yeah, yep, right, absolutely, yeah,
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: absolutely would be impressed. Would that be imprecedent? All right? Thanks?
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I mean Mac is fine, like you had a good year,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: But I mean, after two years, the first round pick
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: quarterback saying I want out, this isn't working for me.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: It's just that would that would be a big blow
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: to the organization. But here's what I would it would
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Here's what I have to say about that. Okay, no,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: but in all seriousness, it probably would be largely unprecedented.
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: I don't I'm not like, yeah, nothing's coming to mind
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: for anybody doing that that quickly. But I also sort
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: of look at this a little bit differently, and like
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: the current landscape right now of athletics and what's going on,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: say in college, and I'll talk to you like in
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: all sports, in like basketball, these kids they go into
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: a program, they don't like what's going on, they go
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: to another program. They don't like what's going on it,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: they go to another program, they go to high school.
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: I know kids that transferred high schools three times, four years,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: three different high schools. Wow, you go to colleges, you
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: get to college and it's oh, I didn't got I'm
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: a true freshman. I walked in and you didn't just
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: hand me the keys to the ship. I'm out of here.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: I'm going in the transport portal because it's just too
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: easy now to change. And I think that's environment that
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: these young players advanced in. Yeah, you know Baker, Baker Mayfield,
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know, moved around from Texas Tech to Oklahoma, likes
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: number one overall. Pick Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow did the
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: same thing, you know, and a lot of these guys,
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: it's nothing like to you and me, Mike, you know,
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: it might be like a life changing like when you've
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: decided to go to Vermont Academy, that might have been
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: like a life changing decision for you that you maybe
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: really agonized over. Yea, for these kids, it might be
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: something they saw on TikTok over the weekend and they
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: just decide to do it. So while I would say
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: it's probably unprecedented for Mac Jones to say you're gonna
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: trade me, I don't think it's out of the Roman.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: We're in different times now. I would also just highlight,
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: you know, Mac going to Alabama, wanting to be at Alabama,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: sitting there, and I mean he could have done it then, right,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: but why wanting to be at Alabama? He basically kind
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of worked wormed his way into Alabama. Yeah, and then
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and then tying it into what he said to the
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: commissioner right after he was drafted, this is where I
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: wanted to be the Patriots. You know, we'll see, so
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: we'll see. Yeah, like Alabama is something that he dreamed of.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: But I don't think he has that of No, no,
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: and I don't want to make that same comparison, but
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: I still think that but two years ago, But think
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: of how bad it must it would have to be
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: in his mind to publicly come out say I want
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: to so would you be surprised if that happened. Yes, yes,
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. You wouldn't, I would, I would. I just surprised.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just listening to him talk every week. He just
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: does not sound like a happy camper. Well, I mean,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: I would imagine that he's gonna want to see change
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: in the offseason two. And like I said, I think
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: change is coming, Okay, So what if it doesn't. Would
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you be surprised if he demanded a trade? Um, what
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: if Bill O'Brien we talked about this at nausea. What
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't come back and they just say, well,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you know, we're just sticking with Patricia and they let
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: m Myers walk to I'd be surprised if he didn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: if that, if that happens, if they make changes, yeah,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: I'd probably be a little surprised. If they made changes
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: and he still asked for a trade. Well, if he Yeah,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: if they don't make changes and he asked for a trade,
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: it will confirm a lot of what people are speculating now. Yeah,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I think there's a lot of
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: information still to come in that will inform what we're
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: gonna say always season always. But I also think the
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers situation is a fascinating one as to what
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: the team's going to do. As a guy that Mac
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: has you know, been vocal about that he loves and
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're don't you think they should keep him?
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Of course, well look you gotta keep somebody. Yeah yeah,
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah. No. I And I said before,
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: I'm at a point now with Jacobe like I just
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: want him to get paid and be happy. And if
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: it's here, great, but if it's not, I'm gonna He's
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: one of the first guys ever the Patriots that I'll
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: be happy for it to leave. Um, but I will
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: be too. But I think that he this want to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: keep Mac happy. And if and if he really is
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: this unhappy and on the you know, and if he
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: was considering asking for a trade like small things like
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: retaining Jacoby Myers, um, you know, that goes a little
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: bit of a way. I mean, we don't know truly
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: how he feels about the setup of the coaches, but
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: you know that would be another area where are we
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: going to make a change to you know, make Mac happy?
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Is that is that going? Uh, let's go to Mike
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: and Puerto Rico. What's up, Mike, Hey, everybody hobby Holidays.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: And I'm glad that, like the same time allows you
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: to cool down because I was going to call after
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the game on this past week on Thursday because I
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was just livid. Um, I don't make that much money.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: And after a couple of I mean I make a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: comfortable living list, but it that way. But then after
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: the last couple of wins, everything looking like it was
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: on its way up. I made a financial commitment to
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: go to both the Raiders and the Cardinals game, um,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: which are pretty expensive of all things considered. Fund all
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: of the travel, all of the lodging and all that stuff.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: And then I just watched that fiasco on Thursday and
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I was just livid. And I just literally had a
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: hard time just looking at the person that I'm that
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: I'm going with my fiance and be and like justifying it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: He's like, this stresses you out, this, this puts you
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: in a bad mood, and now we're going to spend
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: all this money to go over there. I mean, yeah,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to be around you. If you're in
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: a bad mood, Vegas, It'll be okay. Sorry, but I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: hear you though. My time it's frustrating. I'm gonna be
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: totally thinking of you now how these two games go
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: as somebody who you know, had had to used to
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: have to, you know, put up funds to go and
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: do trips. Pat. It's frustrating because you do, you invest
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: your time, and I get it. Like we had we
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: had a guy that on the postgame show that was
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: like really emotional after the game Thursday night. You know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: remember that, I was like, you know, I put my
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: blood sweating, and I kind of, you know, I was
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: poking fun at him a little bit, but I get it.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: I get the emotion I was. I'm not that far
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: removed from being one of those whack of doodles in
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: the stands. I was with you. I was there, so Mike,
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: bottom line right, Oh, I'm going And you know, I'll
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: be honest, some of the motivation has come back into
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: it because of hearing the postgame show and then Tuesday
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: show was like a top five of all time and
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: then you guys just bringing me back down and you know, Okay,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: well it's a process, let's go into it. But most importantly,
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I really appreciate the fact that you guys are starting
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: to hold the proper. You're starting to hold everybody accountable
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: on this, meaning that you know, the Belichick and Patricia
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: and all of that, all that stuff, and other media
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: seems to be like, Okay, the shine is coming off
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: of the you know, off of the jewelry with Belichick,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: and it's like, okay, what what what are we doing
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: to correct this? Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: to see this team turnaround, you know, in in a
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: dramatic way this week. But you know, yeah, at least,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: well look at it this way. I don't know. I
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're like me, but I hate going
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to weddings. I think they're a waste of time. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: as you proved that mind, I know, I had a
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: good time, but you can you can hate going to weddings,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: but you can still have a good time at the wedding,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So like, make your own
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: good time. Forget about the you know, just go enjoy Arizona,
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: enjoy Las Vegas, make everything else great, and then if
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: they lose, they lose. Yeah, Mike, you live in you
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: in Florida, right, so I mean is sorry, well he's
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: in California. But you know, the thing that's great too.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: Is as Fred said on the show the other day,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: there's a huge Patriots contingent there. So like for me
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: when I used to go to games, like it was
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: as much about like meeting the congregation, like my friends,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: my Patriot fan brothers, you know, and all these people
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: from across the country that you might have nothing in
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: common with other than you're rooting for this football team.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: So I always took some value from from that too,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: being in that crowd. And it's gonna be a good
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you know. And by the way you mentioned, I think
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: there is an event uh in Arizona at a place
• 49:04
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• 49:07
  Speaker 1: a big fan gathering there if anyone's listening, Scott Hole too,
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: uh is with the Arizona Club or Barry Um if
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you want to call in and give us the deets
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: on that. I think it's Sunday Night and then it's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: going to be a tailgate on Monday UH in Arizona.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: So it's one of the biggest fan clubs. Oh, I'll
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: never forget when we played at University of arizonas yes Tempe,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: and that was it was a home literally a home game.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: It was unbelieabel. It was like a bowl. It was like, um,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: it went like three quarters of the way around, it
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: was like a bowl. There was a college it's a
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: college stadium obviously, it's it's Arizona States places before they
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: built a new the new joint, And it was all
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: the way around, all Patriots fans, like all the way
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: around the bed. It was unreal. Yeah, I had never
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: seen anything like that. On the road. We came close
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to San Diego that was that was pretty good at
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: T But that Arizona game was I've never seen anything
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I'm gonna need you guys this weekend. Yeah. Um,
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: but you know, getting back to you know, getting back
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: to you know, fans getting really upset when they lose.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I get that. I get that. What I don't get
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: is when fans say I'm embarrassed, they're embarrassing me, Like,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why you're embarrassed because the Patriots are
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: unless like you know, you're the biggest trash talker and
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: now you're eating crow every week. But like like, be upset,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: be sad, be disappointed, but why are you embarrassed? Like
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: you didn't play in it? You didn't your kids not
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: on the in the game, Like, why are you embarrassed?
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: I never understood that unless like you're every day walking
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: around like the Silver Bullet and you're all dressed up
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: patriot you're embarrassing if they win. Oh my god, everywhere
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I go drecked out my Patriots stuff. People are you know?
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: I get all the I don't get the embarrassed motion
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that that part of it. You know, what about the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I'm out? Do you think anybody can really? I hate
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: that if you can come out, Yeah, that's Paul. Like
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: that's Paul already like emotion like that's not real. Yeah,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: you're not really, that's like Paul, you know, slamming down
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: the D'Angelo sub because he didn't like the it didn't happen.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: It's it's all performative. It's performative. It didn't happen. It
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: happened quality turkey right there. It was. It was so funny.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, he says it doesn't happen. It happened. Oh no, no,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that didn't have I didn't slam any First of all,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do we were all sitting at the table.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that. He comes walking up because we're
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: waiting for the food to be served. You know, he
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: comes walking up, sits down and just puts the puts
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: the sandwich in the middle of the table. If he
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: wants to say that I walked through the press box
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: with attitude to let everybody know. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I would absolutely I'd cop to that. Yeah. Did I
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: put it down? And then when you sat down, what
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: did you do? I just put the I put my
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: sandwich down and sat down and ate it. I wouldn't
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: do that. So you were trying to make a statement.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, I didn't necessarily say I wasn't
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: making in the middle. I had one too many pieces
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: of chicken with a bone he put right in the
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: It was. It was, and everybody was pissed. I was
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: the only one that did anything about it. And we
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: were cracking up, like like we were all laughing because
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: we knew what he was doing. It's like, I've had it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I've literally I literally went to the line, turned and said,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I can't do this again. I'm going I'm going to
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: Deangelos and I went to get a sub and I
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: was back in ten minutes, and they would die. The
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: Fred's right they would die and laughing. That might be
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: beyond stake tips next week, right stake tips state tips
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: like Filet Mignon compared to that chicken with the bonunything
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: you got every single it's not that food. It's just
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: the same thing, right every No, I know, he just
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: switch it up Melvin's and Tennessee what's up Melvin Hey?
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: Um to get to the game real quick. I think
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the Pacers will win day around twenty three twenty. Of course,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: the problem with that, I don't think they can win
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: both of those games. So that's going to be I
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: guess tough going forward. Um. And the bigger picture, I
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: guess is in regards to the division, it's I guess
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: it's it's been more apparent that so far the Bills
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: and Dolphins basically own you. You haven't given them, you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: too much resistance for a while. You're you're very much
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: so staying into fourth place and the own person making
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: any narring of gaps to the Jets. So the Jets
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: are coming, and so far one and two in our division,
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: you're far away from opinion. These teams basically have to show,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like I almost like the Bills there c
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: level games and they can handle you. We'll see what
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins do, but at least the Jets did, I mean,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have competed with them a little recently. So I just
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: want to see what are we looking like when it
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: comes to being teams in the division, because we're struggling
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: that bad again the division teams, we got a long
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: road head, like the playoffs is. I mean, clearly got
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: to win the division to even get close. But if
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be kicked around in the division, it's it's
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: gonna be like this going for for a while. I
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: can't get in totally. Really, I mean, yeah, it's hard
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to argue with that, and I agree with Melvin. I
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: think right now it looks like if you end up
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: finishing third, it's going to be because you have those
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: two head to head wins, right and best you can
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: see you tying the Jets, right, and really you should
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: have finished third last year probably based on your divisional results.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, you've got you got Miami in the twenty
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: twenty opener when you sprung Cam Newton in the running
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: offense on him, and then you got Buffalo in the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: win last year. I mean, I mean it's something I
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: feel like I talked about probably at nauseum this offseason,
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: which just you know, everybody wants to talk about where
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: they're in there seat, just try to try to win
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: the try to get a position in the AFC East.
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: Last year they lost both to the Dolphins. They you know,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: won that one of the bills. But it's interesting to
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: see what they got against the Dolphins here too, in
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: the cold. They haven't really had any answers for him.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: They're an explosive offense. I'll be really and it might be,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it might be the next asterisk that went
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: alongside the wind game in Buffalo. Maybe it's one of
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: those days because I can't see two of you know,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: running around in terrible weather and and being the same. Yeah,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: I know it. I know it sounds weird, but I'm
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I'm happy for these games coming up because I really
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I just want to know. Yeah, I just want to
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: know if we get blitzed by Cincinnati and Buffalo and
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: good you're in the off season with no Well they
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: won the game, but you know, I just want to
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: I just want to know the facts, you know, like
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: like how far away are we? Yeah? I know what
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you mean, I know, I know exactly what you're saying,
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: And I think that. I mean, you always have to
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: wait to see how games unfold and play out. Yeah,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: but the Buffalo game last year, right, Like, I mean
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: I can look on the paper and say, well, you
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: went one and one against though it was so bad, like,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: but you know that there was there was something different
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: special game to me. I think you kind of know.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: I I mean, I I know what this team is like.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: And listen, can they surprise us all and there's last
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: five games and do something they haven't done in two years? Sure? Absolutely,
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: I don't ever say that nothing can happen like that league.
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: There's not that big a difference between the really good
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: teams and the really bad ones. Like it's not college like,
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: there's not this gulf of talents that you can overcome.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: But I just looked at it. The last two years,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: you've had a hard time consistently stacking up against good teams.
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: You might be able to beat a couple of them
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: this year, you know down the stretch that you didn't
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: beat last year. But yeah, I don't really think that
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: changes much unless we see a whole different way of playing,
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Like all of a sudden, it's like Wow, they're just
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: clicking now and the defense is shutting them down. And
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: it's not the weather, it's not anything. They're just better
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: than the others. Like that could happen. Another three and
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: out for Josh Allen, Yeah right, boy ate three and
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: outs for the Bills, Like I just I'm sorry if
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: I don't expect that to happen. Yeah, I agree with you, Paul,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: And I think like the thing though, this year is
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: just is different to me, just because of the offensive
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: inability to do anything. And you know when when Josh
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: was here last year, and you know, you still kind
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: of believed that they might be able to do what
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: you said and put it together, because I think there
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: were more I remember talking about in the playoff game
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: heading into the playoff game, Buffalo could still I mean
• 57:12
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• 57:16
  Speaker 1: How wrong was I I mean, similar position last year
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: to where they are now I had this year. I'm
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I'm I will be I'm skeptical, they're gonna be I'm
• 57:24
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  Speaker 1: They had Logan Mankins for the last past episode and
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  Speaker 1: Great one, yeah one, great job. But you guys couldn't
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  Speaker 1: that one for the YouTube. So the Patriots are back
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  Speaker 1: on the practice field here today on Thursday. Thursday is
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday, but it's kind of a Thursday. But it's
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  Speaker 1: a Wednesday. I don't know. This week is all to
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  Speaker 1: get about anyways. So coming back from practice after not
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  Speaker 1: being here on Tuesday. So players were returning to Patriots
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  Speaker 1: practice on Thursday include Nika, just Mike on when you
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  Speaker 1: and Jabriel Peppers. So that's the good news. I get
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  Speaker 1: two guys back on the offensive line. I think Peppers
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  Speaker 1: also could play an important role in this game as
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  Speaker 1: well against Kyler Murray. So I think that's good news
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Here's the bad news, however, Jalen Mills,
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  Speaker 1: Jacobe Myers, Damian Harris, Isaiah Wynn, and Trent Brown still
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  Speaker 1: of that game last week and didn't speak after the
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  Speaker 1: game either, we were told that he was not allowed
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  Speaker 1: whatever the case may be. Both tackles missing, Mills missing again.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, still some key players out for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that must be a hell of an illness
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  Speaker 1: for Trent Brown, that's what I wonder. I mean, we'll
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  Speaker 1: see the injury port this afternoon exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, it's the two top tackles. So when
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  Speaker 1: you're down to Justin McDermott and you get a team
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  Speaker 1: it never like you know, a game against back against
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  Speaker 1: the wall and you need everybody and some people got
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  Speaker 1: sick they can't play. Yeah, it's tough to available. That'd
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  Speaker 1: be a good opponent for this week. I think you know,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: you were rattling off, you know, some pass games before, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: and you know you said, I don't know what this
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  Speaker 1: team situation was in that game. Somebody should come out
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  Speaker 1: with like historical schedules of like what the condition of
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: the team was in that game, so you could look
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  Speaker 1: at outside. They do that. Some of the DVOA takes
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  Speaker 1: into a count like absences for injury and yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, like you know, Patriots beat the Bills, you know,
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  Speaker 1: two years ago, whatever the footnote is, you know, someone should, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like what were the you know, the the other conditions,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's injuries or whether that led to that result.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a real wine or was it. DVOA does
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  Speaker 1: that to an extent. That's sort of the idea that
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  Speaker 1: they have adjustments for whether you know, playing a backup quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: You know. That's why, for example, DVOA doesn't really like
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: the vikings is because early on in the season that
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: they're beating up on a bunch of backup quarterbacks. So
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  Speaker 1: they have the vikings like middle of the pack and
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  Speaker 1: DVOA despite the fact that they're ten and two so
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  Speaker 1: there's some adjustments before on that later. What do you know,
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  Speaker 1: off the top of your head, what the Patriots run
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  Speaker 1: defense DVO as Paul asked me earlier in the Show
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  Speaker 1: and Night. They've been good against the run outside of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: like a couple of games, so their run defense DVOA
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  Speaker 1: has been high. I don't know the exact number, but
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  Speaker 1: I can look it up quickly. Yeah. Well, the reason
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  Speaker 1: with Arizona, and I don't really look at the DVOA
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  Speaker 1: stuff because I'm not as sophisticate. I mean, not even
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  Speaker 1: making fun of you. I I just don't. It's it's
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  Speaker 1: you got your but it's more of a quick hitter
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  Speaker 1: So their seventh and DVOA against the run right now,
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  Speaker 1: third against the past see now, I just think it's
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  Speaker 1: it's really striking how similar their numbers are against the run,
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  Speaker 1: both in terms of yards allowed in average per per
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  Speaker 1: carry and one is twenty ninth and one is seventh
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  Speaker 1: in dvo A. I think that's a striking difference. The
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  Speaker 1: Patriots actually allow more rushing yards per game than the
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Cardinals do. Now, the Cardinals allow more per carry than
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Really their twentieth against with the Cardinals, they
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: just squiggle but point stance, oh twentieth, so it's not
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  Speaker 1: as big a game. Okay, yeah, they're nineteenth nineteen, all right,
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  Speaker 1: So this makes most personality getting closer, but it's much
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  Speaker 1: much as closer than I thought. This is what I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: do like about DVOA though, because not all rushing yards
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: are equal, right, so, and that's a big part of
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: why the Patriots I think have been good in rushed
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: UVO DVOA this year is because there's a big difference
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  Speaker 1: between giving up you know, first and ten three yards
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  Speaker 1: and three and one three yards. And they have situationally
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: been able to stop the run pretty well. And outside
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  Speaker 1: of the mobile quarterback games against fields and against Lamar,
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  Speaker 1: they've done Okay, I mean the Green Bay game is
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: another good example because they gave up one hundred and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: ninety nine yards on the ground. But that game plan
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: was about Aaron Rodgers, right, Like that game plan wasn't
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: to go in and load up and load the box
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  Speaker 1: and have base defense out there and stop the run.
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  Speaker 1: It was a game plan that was the same thing
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  Speaker 1: Thursday pass right, you know. But and you'll be surprised
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  Speaker 1: to hear this. I actually made the comment that I
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots have been pretty good, I mean, not great,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: but much better than the recent past against the run.
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  Speaker 1: They've had a couple of blips on the radar, and
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals like, like I said, I think it's one
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: ten point eight to one eleven point two. That's the
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: that's the just the gross numbers, Like, that's what they've
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: allowed rushing yards per game. And at the time, we
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: thought twenty ninth not nineteenth, that that that's a big different.
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  Speaker 1: Must be ninth. Yeah, that could be an easy mix. Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: so twenty ninth, and I was like, there's no way
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: the Patriots a way down and deval, you know, like
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: they've been pretty good against the run, especially if you
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: extrapolate the Bears in the Ravens game, and you just
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  Speaker 1: created off of the rest of the season and kind
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: of look at what to kind of take it a
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: step forward. Now, I would look at it as traditional
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: run games versus quarterback run games, and against teams that
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: just are under center and turn around and hand the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: ball off to the running back. They have been one
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league. That game against
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: Chubb really helped their numbers. Yeah you know, um see
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: some of the numbers like that that helped their gross numbers,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: like Chubby average like five game. Yeah, yeah, something like that.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: Um Evan first part of the show, we dove into
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals, you know, like what were the matchups here?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Where do you see the Patriots having an advantage in
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: this game? An advantage like yeah, Like I was listening
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: this morning and they were saying, the Cardinals defense is
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: really good about not giving up the big pass, but
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: they're terrible and in short, yeah, I think their secondary
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  Speaker 1: can be had if you can block. But that if
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: you can block for this team right now is a
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: big block. You know. They are a team that they
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: bring a lot of fire zones, right They bring a
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: lot of zone pressure from all different areas of their defense.
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  Speaker 1: And if you can get it blocked, then that leaves
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  Speaker 1: them with five or six guys in the back end
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  Speaker 1: trying to cover a whole lot of grass. So in
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: a lot of ways, I think that their structures end
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: up playing out a lot like Minnesota, and that could
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: be an area where you could beat them over the
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: top with the passing game, just like you did with
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. But the Vikings were not a pressure team.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: The Vikings were a four man rush team, so it's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: it's definitely different on how they get to cover two. Right.
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  Speaker 1: They play a lot of too deep, but it's different
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  Speaker 1: how they get to that. So that's I think a
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: big issue if you're the Patriots. I think the one
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: advantage that they will have in this game defensively is
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: that I do like their odds of turning this game
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: at times into a drop back pass game for Kyler
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Murray where he can't it's not first down where he's running,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: it's not urpo, and it's just straight traditional drop back passing.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: And if you can get him into those situations where
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: he has to beat you from the pocket, then I
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: think that they can have some wins defensively against Arizona.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: But you know that means stopping to run on early downs.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: That means stopping RPO, That means stopping DeAndre Hopkins. You
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: know that those are the first kind of three boxes
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: you have to check so that you can get them
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: into third and ten and take advantage of some of
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: those things. Problems with all those things. You know, stop
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: being so negative highlighting and I'd be curious, like you
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: keep making You made that comment about they're good at
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: stopping the big play, but not so good at, you know,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: allowing people to you know, paper cut you to death.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if you know, Vans having the time
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: of his life. Joseph like has watched any of the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Patriots offense this year and says, maybe we don't have
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: to focus so much on taking away the big places
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: because they don't get a lot of those, right, they
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: don't try a lot of those. Yeah, maybe we can,
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: maybe we can get a little bit more aggressive, you
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: know with the blitz pressure that that you guys have
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: been talking about are but I'm talking about with your coverage.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Marry your coverage, with your pressure. It's funny because we're
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: gonna pressure and if we don't get there, we're gonna
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: keep everything in front of us. They are a team,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: you know, I've watched a couple of their games last week,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: and they are a defense that kind of does what
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: they do, you know, And I don't know if they
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: are going to completely change it up, but what they
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: do is very multiple. They and that is what Belichick
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: was talking about the other day. They run a bunch
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of different personnel groupings, They run a bunch of different coverages,
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: and they have different guys like in Isaiah Simmons for example,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: who what you know, Bill is talking about what is he?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: Is he a linebacker? Is he? And is he listed
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: on the depth chart as both a starting linebacker in
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: a back up safety? Right? And that's what he is everywhere?
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: So you kind of have to heat because of his versatility.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: They can be so many different things at once. Now
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: it hasn't added up in terms of statistically. They are
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: not a good defense, so it's not like it's really
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: added up much. But I think that this speaks to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: their entire operation where the talent on the roster is
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: not indicative of a four and eight team, Like they
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: have a lot more talent that they're just not getting
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: enough out of. And I would say on defense, it's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: true as well, I mean Simmons, Buddha Baker. I'm sure
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: Mike loves Zavan Collins as much as all of us
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: in the draft. You know, they're they have good players
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: on both sides of the ball. Yeah, I mean just
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: looking at and it's their numbers are terrible, but it's
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: like anybody else. It's not like they give up like
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: thirty eight every game. You know, it's forty four, then twenty,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: then sixteen, then thirty four and thirty four and back
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: to back week So like if you if you get
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: them in the week that they all out thirty four,
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: great you win. But what if you only score twenty.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: The Chargers had a tough time in that game because
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: they didn't have Mike Williams, and without Mike Williams, they
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: had nobody that could win a one on one on
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: the outside and they're receiving corps and they just blitzed
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: from the middle of the field the entire game. And
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: so that was the problem. But you know, they did run.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: They do run some zero right, some cover zero as well,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: and they just had nobody that that that justin Herbert
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: could just toss one up to. I mean, I don't
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: know if DeVante Parker is really that guy really want
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: to do that with or he's not Mike Williams. I
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: don't think he's on Mike Williams's level. But the Patriots
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: do have DeVante Parker who could maybe go up and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: if it's you know, third and eight and they decide
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: to bring a zero and all he can do is
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: is heave it up to somebody against the single coverage,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: then I mean there's worse guys to have to want
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: to jump all down the field. And when I was
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: talking about like sort of marrying the pressure with your
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: coverage as opposed to playing soft coverage, no one that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: you bring it at all. I don't know if you
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: watch did you watch any of the Miami San Fatis game?
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 1: So when Brock Purdy goes in that game, obviously Miami
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: just said we're gonna go after this kid every play. Yeah,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: and they got there almost every play, but they didn't
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: marry the coverage with it, and he just kept, yeah,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: dinking him to death. You know, it was use Check,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: it was McCaffrey. And I mean, obviously McCaffrey is an
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: excellent player. I'm not saying that, but like at some
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: point they needed to move everybody up and say, if
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: he's gonna beat me on like a zero blitz or something,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: he's gonna need to make a good throw as opposed
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: to flipping it three yards to the side and letting
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey beat somebody in space. And they never really
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: did that. Even at the very end of the game
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: when they were desperate, they still churned out first downs
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: and Purdy played well. I give him credit, he was
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: a good him up they're trying to he's you did
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: it kills me with San Francisco because that's when you
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: look at the way that they're built offensively like that,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I wish that we were going for here,
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: right and and they identified it and they said, you know,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: it's probably gonna be Jimmy for us this year, might
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: be Jimmy for us long term if he stays healthy
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: at least for the next couple of years. So we
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: have to go out and make that Christian McCaffrey trade
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: because we have to just surround this guy with as
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: many playmakers as possible. So they have Trent Williams, who's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: probably the best tackle in the NFL. So they have
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a good offensive line. They have all these playmakers with
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: the ball in their hands, Kittle, Deebo, McCaffrey and the quarterback.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who the quarterback is, right, you just
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: you can You can put in Purty, you can put
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: in Jimmy g It's not gonna matter because anybody can
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: throw a five yard passed Christian McCaffrey. So it just
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: it kills me to watch teams like the forty nine
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: ers because they're so well coordinated, their plan is so sound,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and their scheme is so sound, and then they also realize, Okay,
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: our quarterback is not a difference maker or a big
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: time elite playmaker. He's somebody that we're gonna have to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: prop up. And they have no problem with going out
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: and doing that. Yeah. That was one of some of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: my favorite parts on Hard Knots was just the prep
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: for San Francisco and the coaches given the game plan
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: to the players and talking about just how tough Debot
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: and McCaffrey, I mean, the two of them. They just
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: went on and on about how good they were and
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: all the other guy, now, wow, what's his name? Uh yeah,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: it's a good player too. Yeah. Yeah, that was just
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: behind the keeler they got playmakers, and it's not just playmakers,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: just like in a maddened sense of like we're just
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: gonna buy buy all these guys. They all are great
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: with the ball in their hands, and they have this
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: scheme that is great at getting them in space, and
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: it just is a perfect marriage of you just kill
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: player and a scheme. You just look at them on
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: paper and you're like, this is a tough team, Like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: you can just tell by the by how all their
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: players their offensive line. All that said, I'm far more
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: impressed with the other side of the ball with them.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: They lose personnel every week and it just doesn't seem
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: too mad at that. They just dominate. All they highlighted
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: in the in the Hard Knocks was Fred Warner and
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Bosa the two and that was you know, Drake green
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: Law like that they're so active and physical and the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: like the BA seven And then forget about it when
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: when they get a lead and Bosa's coming off the
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: edge and yeah, I mean every time I see Fred
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: Warner play, it's like, why why can't we think you know,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: big and can run. And it also just shows that
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: all this talk about like all building like a strong
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: middle class, like they have both, Like why not have both? Right?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: Like they have elite players that are, you know, best
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: players at their position type players like Bosa and Trent Williams.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: And then they also have good roster depth. So it
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: just they have a great team. Yeah, let's go to
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: Todd North Carolina. Hey, Todd, Hey, guys, I'm glad that
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you've been talking about Miami game with San friend because
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good example of what happens if
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: you don't have your tackles than playing well. Well. He
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: didn't even have his tackles to h and you guys
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: have made some camps at least even has Between two
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: U and Mac, Mac hasn't had a tackle, play well
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: all all year pretty much, so how is he supposed
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: to succeed? And look too, he's got the great weapons,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: he's got everything, but no tackles. Do you think two
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: have played well on Sunday? I think he sucked. I
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: think he had wide open guys all over the field
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: and he just missed them. Was a NFL they got
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: into it about this. Those are just two teams though,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: that asks in a hole and he ain't coming out. Yeah,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: those are just two teams though that I think when
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: you watch that game, which I'm glad you brought up
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: that those are two teams that don't have Patrick Mahomes
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: playing quarterback, that don't have Josh Allen playing quarterback, but
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: they have made the situation for the quarterback would agree
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: as much as they possibly can. And it just you know,
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: I was going through the seven week stretch of Justin Jefferson's,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Deefon Diggs, DeAndre Hopkins. They play six of the top
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: seven receivers in receiving yards per game in the back
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: half of the schedule, and Jalen Waddles number nine or
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: number ten on the list too, and he's the second
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: guy in Miami. And my first reaction is, oh crap,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: Like the defense is, how are they going to stop
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: all these guys? And then my second reaction is if
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: half your schedule has a number one receiver, that means
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: that the league has a lot of number one receivers. Right,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: So your point I was making the week of the
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Jefferson game, right, Yeah, he's really good. Well, it's the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: points are really good. It's the point Bill made after
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: I forget which game they were talking about receivers, like, yeah,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna face a lot of this. Well,
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: he said about this guy that he's as good as
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: anybody he's ever coached against. Yeah, Hopkins, I mean, if
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: twenty five teams in the league have a guy, then
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: how is it so hard to find a guy? Right?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Like it shouldn't be, is the point Mike brought up
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: a good you know, you're kind of under your breath there.
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: But like Nikkil, Harry Brandon and youth they played together
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: at Arizona State. Yeah, yeah, that was one of my
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: combine trips. I remember talking. I think it was the
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: first one we went to in twenty twenty before I'll
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: hell broke loose. But asking him about that's right, nikkiel
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: and you know all that. Aldred's in North Carolina. Hey, Aldred,
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: Hey tell us how y'all doing today? Hey? Heaven the
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: question that did you telling about why everybody else they
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: don't have our GM? That's the problem. And I just
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping and Fred answer your question about how can
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: fans be uh embarrassed? No, we're not embarrassed if you
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: play good, if you play like a team and lose,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: that's great. But when you got nothing, you know, on offense,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: and you just see't struggle and struggled And yeah, I
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: was that one with the big mouth for twenty years.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: They talked more trash than anybody can lie. So now,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: like they said, there wasn't wait until build league. They said,
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: when Tom leaves, if you talk that same noise, Hey,
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: I hed every week, every day, every week. Okay, all right,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: that's how that go. Yeah, that's how that go. All right.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: But if it's Mac, it's mac duicide to leave. I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: think that's wrong. But it wasn't mine guy in the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: first place. But I'm getting to like to do and
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think he had a fair shake. But most
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: of this stuff he's on his shoulders, but most of
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: it now, So I think you destroyed him by bringing
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: somebody who don't know none about offs and then run
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: off it. Yeah, what do you think you get from
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: Mac if you traded him, I don't know. I mean
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: the price lowers once he goes public and demands. I
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: think his price is lowered based on what you've seen.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, the last Orlowski becomes a GM for somebody.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: Bennet's like three first. I think two is the only
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: guy who likes more than Mac. Like I mean, I
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: understand the like the larger point that Orlowski's making. I
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: just think he, like last week's game, wasn't the week
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: to make that that point like last week, Yes, the
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: two tackles being out for Miami absolutely impacted the game.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: I watched enough, man, I saw enough on red Zone
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: to see he was under pressure a lot, but he
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: had place to make and didn't. He'll be the first
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: one to tell you, like some of those uh to
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: your point of and you're always talking about the wonderful
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: schemes that are designed to get these guys in the clear.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: They worked. The guys were in the clear against an
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: elite defense, and he just couldn't consist. I mean the
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: bomb me through to Tyreek Hill, the guy he was wide.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: I mean he hit him and stride on that one,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: but he had a lot of other opportunities to do that.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: It just couldn't. Yeah, I think it. To Aldred's point,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and first of all, I hate that. I feel like
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: I've been so negative all week about this team and
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 1: it really is driving me nuts. To Aldred's point, I'm
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: sick and tired of going into these games with a
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: pea shooter, Like I'm sick of it. I'm sick and
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: tired of going into all these games. And this is
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: not new, like this has been going on since twenty nineteen.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: And I would even say that there were signs of
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: it in twenty and eighteen as well, until Edelman and
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Gronk and Brady kind of reached into the fountain of
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: the US just decided we're we're gonna score forty because
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: that's what I do, right, and they kind of pulled
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: it out in the playoff round. But in general, there
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: are signs of this in twenty eighteen, and then it
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: really hit in twenty nineteen, and it hasn't changed for
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: four years. That we go into every single game, and
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: every single game we get into the media work room,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Bill comes in, We say, Pill, how are you guys
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: going to stop DeAndre Hopkins next week? Bill? How are
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: you going to stop Jamar Chase next week? Bill? How
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: are you going to stop Tyree Hill? And at some
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: point in time, can we have one of those like it?
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Just and you go into these games against Buffalo against
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: Miami now and you are just so undermanned, and it's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: so obvious while looking at the two rosters going into
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: the game that even if fourign eight Arizona team has
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: an offense that scares you on paper more than the Patriots,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: and at some point in time, you know, Eldred's whole
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: thing is, oh, we gotta adapt with the times and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: we got to be more modern in our approach. As
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: a general manager, I agree one hundred and ten percent
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: because this has been going on for four years now
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: that they are going into these games where they're going
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: to have to score some points to win and they
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: don't have the horses to put more than thirty. And
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: it's not just a quarterback, it's everything around the quarterback too,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: and it's just enough is enough with it? All right?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: That's a good discussion, but we have some important business
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: to take care of. It's that time of the week.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: Sound good. I think I did good this. I have
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: no idea how I did. It was a good week
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: for everyone, absolutely good week, but it was best for
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: young Evan. Young Evan. I'm turning thirty this weekend. That
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: was that was a reference. That was a reference to
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: me being around before the internet. Um twelve two and one. Wow,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: that's hut him out, okay, Mike and Paul eleven three
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: and one's gonna say and even in the good weeks
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: for Fred's last ten four and one, so, as I said,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 1: good week for everyone with the spread, Young Evan once
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: again ten and five, followed by Mike and Paul at
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: nine and six and Fred five and ten. Oh oh freddy.
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  Speaker 1: So season standings real quick one twenty one seventy two
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  Speaker 1: and two for Me one twenty seventy three and two
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: for Mike one twelve eighty one and two for Fred
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: Evan eighty three forty seven and one, which is the
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: best winning percentage of the four of us at six
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 1: thirty seven. That's better than my six twenty seventeen. I
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 1: do it, I do the the e poa right there, Okay,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: with the spread, I am one sixteen seventy six and three,
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: which continues to just astound me ninety eight ninety four
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: and three for Mike eighty two one ten and three
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: for Fred sixty six sixty two and three for Evan.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: So my winning percentage of six z three is far
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: and away the best with the spread. That's a sharp
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: percent I only wish I had a chance that that's
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: a tout percentage. That's better than a percentage. Why what
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: what's tout? Let's tout as long as they make more
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: than more than fifty percent, they're happy. Yeah, oh, I
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 1: know that I'm over sixty. I know that's like insane.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: It's insane. It'll never it'll I just keep waiting for
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: like two twelve and one, and it just it hasn't happened.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: It's coming, it has to Happen's too bad you don't
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: have the all time record, just you know, to see
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: where you stack up, like I'm on an all time
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: pace or I'd be curious if Fred is it somehow
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: I have not books in my draws upstairs, Actually sorry downstairs.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: We start with tonight eight fifteen on Prime Video. The
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: five and seven Raiders are at the three and nine Rams,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: led by perhaps Baker Mayfield. We'll see. It's a health
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: issue too. I've been seeing it on Wlawford. He got
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: hurt in the Seattle n Secretary Like like Mexico. It's
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 1: a good crossover game for the Patriots. Oh yeah, we
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: get to scout the Raiders a little and even introduced
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: me to this kind of All twenty two issue on Amazon,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: which I was very very I was watching All twenty
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: two live. They have like a different channel, Fred, which
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: year media guy yea. So it's wide, but they have
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: little little um little h graphics that they attached reach
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: players name, so it's just like a frame that you
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: hit or do you have different different so you have
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: to change channels even within my my tweet the very
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: first week of Prime Video, I tweeted, oh live all
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: twenty two it's a Christmas miracle or football season miracle
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: or something like that, and actually made the broadcast. They
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: put it on that that's really cool. How come I'm
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: just hearing about this now? That's really good? Yeah? Yeah,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: next time you got to put my Patriots unfiltered in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: the hashtime. So I've been geeking out about this all year.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm geeking about it now because that's cool. Now
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: just throw it on. I mean, it's it's just a
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: different I have no interest in twenty two, but I
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: really interest in his tweet getting and they had the
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: next gen and it shows like, you know, how fast
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: guys are running and stuff like that. It's yeah, it's
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: okay different. Let's pick the game all right? Sorry it
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: is Vegas by seven? Seven? Um yeah, man, I think
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: Vegas gonna do it. Uncertainly at Rams quarterback, They're they're
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I think heading for the offseason, getting the golf clubs ready. Um.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: I like the Raiders to win their fourth in a row,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna lay the points too. I think they
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: take it to him. I'm with Mike. I like the Raiders.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: I like them to cover and I'm becoming a Josh
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: fan under here. It's turning around. Yeah, yeah, I think
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 1: Vegas wins this game. I will lay the points, and
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: that means no matter what happens in the desert, the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: following week's game will put the winner ahead of the loser.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: That's kind of frightening based on what the Raiders look
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: like three weeks ago. Comes Yeah, so they bring in
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: Mayfield to see maybe what he's got. But if the
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: rest of the team's laying down is that We'll say
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: this for the Rams. They played really hard last week. Yeah,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: did you watch the game at all? It's like against
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: the Seahawks. I think Bobby Wagner had had a little
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 1: uh be in his bonnet, as they say in Jalen Rams.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: He's always like that. But they played really hard. They
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: lost with thirty seconds left they had I mean that
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: was a very competitive game. Yeah, I'm gonna go with
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the Raiders both ways. I was tempted to take the points,
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I just don't think the Rams. If the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Rams had won the game, I'd be tempted to take
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: the points here too, but they put I think they
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: emptied the bucket last week and still lost. Sunday at
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: one big game seven and five, Jets are at the
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: nine and three Bills, Bills by nine and a half.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: Nine and a half. Yeah, we a little preview of
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: this one down in Cape Cod one of my favorite bars,
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: the Woodshed. I think that's where Buffalo has taken the Jets.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: Just like said, I'm gonna take Buffalo. I'm gonna like
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: the points. I was. I almost used that one in
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: the pregame show last week, but yeah, I say it
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 1: for now. I like the Bill too. But that's a
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: lot of points in a divisional game against a good defense.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: So I'll take the Jets to cover that because their
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: defense gave Buffalo some problems the first time I am
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: with young Evan. I believe the Jets. I believe in
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: the Jets defense. I think they had a little bit
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: of a blip in the first half of that game
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: last week against Minnesota. Didn't play great quarterback didn't help
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: them out early in that game. Once they started playing
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: a little bit better offensively, they shut it down in
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: the second half. I think that's more what the Jets
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: are than what they looked like early. I'll take Buffalo
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 1: to win, and I think they'll win easy, but I'll
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: take the points. I will also do the same thing.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Buffalo wins, but they do not cover. Sunday at one,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: the five and seven Browns are at the eight and
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: four Bengals. Bengals by six. That's a lot of respect
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: for the six. Wow, they hardly had any offense last week.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Were terrible. Yeah, they were really bad last week. Yeah,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: interesting game, figure seven hundred days in between games did
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: look great? Yeah, And I don't think one week one game,
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think is gonna make really a difference. Cincinnati
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: coming on at the right time. I will take Cincinnati
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: and lay the points. Yeah, I'm taking Cincinnati cover that.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: I can't believe it's only six. That's crazy. Yeah, i
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: will take Cincinnati, but I'll be crazy and I'll take
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: the points in the division game. Um, I think Watson
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: will look better in his his second game. Yeah, I'm
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: not taking the points Bengals both ways because you know,
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: I also think Cincinnati had an emotional win last weeks.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you get a little flat. Well that's true, but
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 1: I'll take the Bengals both ways. Sunday at one the one,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: ten and one Texans are at the nine and three Cowboys.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: So guess is the battle for Texas? Houston at Dallas.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Guess how many? Sixteen? Yeah, I mean, oh, you guys
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: have seventeen Dallas by seventeen. I forgot you guys already. Sorry,
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: yeah I did not. I didn't see it. Davis Mills,
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: you have back here, You have you a little sheet
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Mike's script. Yeah, I actually do. But sometimes the ESPN
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: app is a little bit different than what what Paul has. Well,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: there are area truth to be tall. I mean I
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: usually use the lines in the globe. They haven't always
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: been in the Globe on Thursdays, so I've had to
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: go online. So now I go just online and I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: try to find like a draft Kings or something like that.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: They're all very I mean they're within a half a
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: point every game. This is seventeen and you were sixteen
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, no, this is seventeen. Yeah, I
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: was Houston at Dallas by seventeen. I think I got
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 1: him right off of like a draft Kings today. Yeah,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: I'm I don't think it's enough. I'm gonna take the Cowboys.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: I will lay those points. Things are going downhill. It
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: seems like in Houston they're kind of given up. Yeah,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Dallas. I'm and the points too. I cover
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: as well. Dak's elite. That's it. I didn't know. He
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: was just a big Dak fan. Love Dak, Yeah, love him. Yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Davis Mills going back in the fold a little spark obviously.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Dallas to win the game, all right, I'll
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: go with you guys. So I don't like laying seventeen points,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: but I'll do it. Yeah. Into the cornerback. Remember Caleb
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: Farley that they draft him? He's uh is that that's
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: the Titans. Who's the cornerback from Houston that they just lost?
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Another Derris single. I'm gonna take the point. I'm gonna
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: take the points in my mind, and that's why I'm
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: like fifty games below five hundred. Don't be so hard
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: on yourself, you're only thirty eight. Also, love Ceede Lamb.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Another another guy um speaking of the Texans has Jack
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: Easter be landed anywhere or is he I don't know, No,
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I didn't see him on a
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: podcast the other day. What podcasts had him? Something? Not
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: like a big one night? It came up on my
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: Twitter feed for some reason, like a religious one, and
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: he was like smiling ear to ear, like acting like
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: the nicest guy in the world to be upbeating public.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: And then behind the scenes he's sticking a knife and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: little finger. Uh. Sunday at one, the ten and two
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Vikings are at the five and seven Lions. Want to
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: repeat that, the ten and two Viking Vikings are at
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: the five and seven Lions with the Lions or favored
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: by two. Wow, that's that is That's chastinating. And I
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: believe that they've covered quite a few weeks in a
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: row too. What do the sharps? No, they know that that.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell's got these guys playing hard, Jared Goff playing
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: the best ball of his life. I bleed for you guys.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take mensota. I was looking this up earlier.
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: Jared Goff is third in QBR right now. Third guys
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: having a heck of a season. I still like the Vikings, though,
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: in this game. I think if they win this game
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: and they win to the division, if I remember correctly,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: I believe the clincher. So I think that they get
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: this done. But that Lions offense, Ben Johnson, their offensive coordinator,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: I'm on Ross Saint Brown. That guy's a problem. Really
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: fun offense to watch right now. Yeah, because if Detroit
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: had lost last week, the Vikings would have clinched so
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: absolutely by beating the Lions. Um, I'm gonna fall. I'm
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: gonna fall for it, you know, Fred, I'll steal your lion.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: What do the Sharps? No, right, I'm gonna take the Lions. Yeah,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm going with the Sharps as well. I mean,
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: I you know, let's let's do it. I also am
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: pretty much on record saying I do not believe in
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: the Vikings. Yeah. One o'clock Sunday, eleven and one. Eagles
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: are at the seven four and one Giants. Eagles by
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: six and a half. Hmm hmm. I like it though,
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Eagles. I'll lay the points. I
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: still like the Eagles, still having fever dreams about that offense.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: So I'll take the Eagles, but I'll take it to
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: be close. So you want the Giants. I want the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Eagles to win the yeah, yeah, yeah, but the Giants cover. Yeah.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I again, I'm with young Evan. I'll take the Eagles
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: to win, but six and a half division game, home
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: home dog, I'll take the points. I'm gonna take, um,
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: the Eagles both when when is the officially turn this
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: week and last? I won't middle Age it waits. I'm
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Eagles both ways. Isn't it the Giants
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: that gave them their only loss of the seasons? Oh?
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: The Commanders. I knew it was an a team. Oh
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: so now I don't think so much about that. I
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: was thinking, so you would have taken So you were saying, Philly,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: would they smack them around because they lost? Okay? Yeah,
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Um that changes things a little bit for me. I'll
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: take the points. Okay, Yeah, A lot of a lot
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: of you know what, Eagles both ways. A lot of
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: scratches on my sheet this week. People that the results
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: will be in questions begin rightly. So there's a lot
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: of scratch out kind of stunt you're trying to pull, Parrello.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of scratches on that Sunday at one.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: The eight and four Ravens are at the five and
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: seven Steelers. Another interesting spread, although this one's a little
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: bit more understandable. Pittsburgh by two and a half lam Lamar,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley. I think is that is who we got. Um,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: and Pittsburgh has played a little bit better, at least
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: in terms of wins and losses. I don't really think
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 1: they've played all that much better. Um, I feel like
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: this is a toss up. Um, I'm gonna go to Baltimore.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I just think they're overall a little bit better team
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: even without Lamar. Yeah, I'm gonna go Baltimore. Also, the
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: Steelers barely beat the Colts and Jeff Saturday's last week, right,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: so I think that that team is that was two
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: weeks ago, and then they barely beat the Falcons, who
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: have made a quarterback change. Yes, I will be with
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: the boys here, um, and I'll take Baltimore. I think
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: Huntley's not bad. Um, I think they'll be hard pressed
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: to you know, be around thirty with points, you know,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: the way they might with Lamar. But I think they'll
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: they'll score enough to win. This is this could be
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: a really good game. This could be a really good,
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: just not want to have any interest in watching. Yeah,
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: because if it's a really good game, it's gonna be
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: like thirteen. You know, but you don't like football. I
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: don't like bad football. Not a lot of red zone times. Yeah,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna battle of backups. Caught me out. I'm gonna
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: go with the Ravens. Yeah, yeah, the Ravens Sunday at one.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: Uh the four and eight Jaguars are at the Where
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: have you gone, mister Robinson? Seven and five? So that
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: one Tennessee by four? Let see by four? Um? Yeah,
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: I think there's some issues with Trevor Lawrence too. Um yeah?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Do I have to get him out of my lineup
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: because Lamar's my quarterback? Might is he not playing? Might not?
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: Trevor is gonna play? I think. But he's got a foot. Yeah,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: I know he's got a foot. Everybody who ever played
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: in Ford Field has a foot. You know that, right?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: That Ford Field thing is ridiculous. I'll take the Titans.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: I'll lay the points. I like the Titans too, and uh,
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: i'll take them the cover. They got to bounce back
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: at some point, right. Um. I don't think the Titans
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: are all that good, but I'm gonna lay the points,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: especially if you guys are telling me there's a chance
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: that Lawrence might not be able to to go wire
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: to wire. I'll take the Titans, but I'll take the points.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: I've been kind of riding with Jaguars. I brother don't
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: hope you're wrong all year, but he's got him a yeah.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: Uh the nine. Now we're at the four or five game.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: The nine and three Chiefs are at the three and
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: nine Broncos. It's December, so the Broncos are at home.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Kansas City by nine. Noin yeah, that's uh, I'm gonna
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Kansas City. I'm gonna lay the points.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: I'll like Kansas City to cover. I think they bounced
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: back after last week. Yeah, this is one I don't
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: really have a problem laying the points with. I mean,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: you get to you get to thirteen, you cover this point.
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Um, I'll take the Chiefs man both ways.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 1: Four twenty five, the four and eight Panthers are at
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: the seven and five Seahawks, Seattle by four and a half.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: M mmmmmmmmm. Yeah, I'm gonna take Seattle at home. Um,
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: I'll lay the points. Coach of the Year Pete Carroll
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: in the conversation, do you think everybody's gonna hold up
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: Gino Smith now? Is like, you know, retread quarterbacks that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: haven't like well, but Gino Smith, you know, like Baker Mayfield.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: He'll definitely be an example of a guy who you know,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: it's like kind of the unicorn. Every dog has his
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: day against. Couldn't happen to one guy. I mean, he's done.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: He hasn't turned into give you a list of samnos
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: six years haven't necessarily worked out. Okay, But in his defense,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: because he right now, Gino is the funnest quarterback to
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: watch in the league, most fun quarterback to watch. It
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: was a beautiful deep test. First I heard the funnest
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: first two. The most fun quarterback in the league right
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: now to watch is Gino Smith hands dak Why is
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: he more fun to watch than Mahomes or Alan Because
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't be happening, like I with Mahomes, and I
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: know that I'm watching what I'm expected. The trip. It's
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: a fun trip. It's a fun trip. Yeah. He's making
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: more downfield tight window it was than any quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: the league. It's incredible. Okay, Yeah, and I I really
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: am enjoying it. And he's also been a backup for
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: many of these years because everybody gave up on him.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: He was for gotten, absolutely right. So I think in
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: some ways it's a little bit different than a Baker
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: or something like that who has started air points like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think that he's really just developed with the way
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  Speaker 1: that people thought maybe he would coming out in the draft.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: I like the Seahawks in this game obviously after that, yeah, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I will take the Seahawks to win, but I will
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: take the points. Um. I think Carolina has played pretty
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: good defensively, and Seattle I think is kind of starting
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: to show that a little bit. Did I mean, what's
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  Speaker 1: the running back is Kenneth Walker? I think is banged
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: up now he's doing a lot of this. Also, Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the points as well. Twenty five Top
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  Speaker 1: of the heap in the NFC South Buccaneers at six
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  Speaker 1: and six are at the forty nine Ers eight and four.
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  Speaker 1: San fran by three and a half. Interesting. Really, I
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  Speaker 1: was just gonna say, really interesting game of you know,
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  Speaker 1: four and nine is real good defense. You feel like
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  Speaker 1: Tampa is just trying tooth and nail to get it
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  Speaker 1: going and I just don't think it's gonna be enough
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: even with Brady this week, I'm going to take the Annoiners,
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: even with their with their backup guy. Yeah, I think
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: the forty nine Ers end up covering this game as well.
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: I just think that the Buccaneers are not actually that
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: good in the forty nine ers or a wagon. So
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: I think that's going to show out the offensive line
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers defensive line and continuing with
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: the incredible combination of ridiculous skill and luck, Tom Brady
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: gets to go to San Francisco and play Brock Pridy.
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  Speaker 1: I will take San Francisco to win the game. I
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  Speaker 1: will take the hook, and I will take the Bucks
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: to find a way to lose by a field goal.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: I think if Jimmy we're playing, I don't think Tampa
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  Speaker 1: would stand a chance in this game. Yeah, I mean
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: think about like Brady right like in the past. You
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: know the headline is, you know, Brady leeds come back
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns in the game. You think, oh, scores like
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: thirty two thirty and he scores seventeen points throwing two touchdowns.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: You know, it's like the Buccaneers don't have an offense.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: They don't. They just don't. I'm gonna have to go
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: with the forty nine ers here. I'm sorry. It's bizarre
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 1: too because they have weapons. Yeah, it's not you know,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: Mike Evans, Chris. They just can't get it going. Yeah,
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: it's weird. That's one that it pains me to say.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: As you know, I don't think he's playing very well. Yeah,
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: well he's not playing up to him. I know how
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: bad the offensive line has been. I've seen him with
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: bad offensive lines before. It didn't look I still say
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: that this is his last season? Yeah? Yeah? Is he
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: really that? Yeah? People think now that he's divorced. What
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 1: the hell is that girl? Now? I think I think
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: this is it? Anyway? Um, going around the internet, haven't
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: heard that one Sunday night on NBRY Sure. Uh, the
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: eight and four Dolphins are at the six and six
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Chargers Black home dogs Miami by three and a half.
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: And and did Miami were they were at the forty
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: nineers last week? Right? Did they did stay out on
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: the on the West Coast? Do? I wonder? Do not
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 1: have that? What Mike Mike companions got thinking? Um, it's
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: an interesting AFC game. I'm gonna take Miami to bounce back. Um,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm I'm not gonna take the hook. I'm gonna
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: lay the three and a half. Yeah, I can't trust
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: the Chargers, but this is gonna be football Twitter's favorite
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: game of the year, Like this is two of versus
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: Justin Herbert, which quarterback is actually good going head to
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: head social media QB. But I like the Dolphins to
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: cover this spread as well, just because I think they're
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: better teams. I'm taking Miami both ways too. M I
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: just feel like the Chargers just don't have enough, Like
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: I've watched a handful because they're always on it four obviously,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: so you catch it's they just don't have enough options. Yeah,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: their downfield receivers have really dropped off. Like Josh Palmer
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: is like an enormous part of that offense. He's you know,
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: he's good, like third of fourth guy. But Keenan Allen's
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: not the same guy. Mike Williams has hurt all the time.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: Keenan Allen caught a crosser in the game last week
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: that I think, like last year, would have been a touchdown,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: and he just can't run. Yeah, I mean miss like
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: eight weeks with a hamstring for God to see his reports.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: I'll take Miami, but I'll take those points. Paul Okay
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: duly noted the hoof. I'm gonna I'm gonna take it,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: all right. It's a sin uh Monday night. We didn't
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: have to skip over anything this week. The six and
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: six New England Patriots are at the four and eight
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Patriots by two two. A lot of respecting it.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: That's really screwing up my score after just um, I
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: think this game is kind of a coin flip coming down.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Patriots to win. I'll say, uh,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: let's say twenty three twenty just to make it fit
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: the but I think it's a low twenties kind of game.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe need some special team scores. I just I'm not sure.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: They got a lot of things that I think are
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: going to challenge the Patriots in ways that they had
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: troubles with the last few years. And I think their
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: their backs are against the wall. They're gonna just kind
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: of probably play loose and go for it. So I
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: don't know. I think this is gonna be a real
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: nail biter right down to the end. I am with
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: you on the nail biter. This game, to me, comes
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: down to who wants it like, who actually cares about
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: winning this game? Because the Cardinals are fourign eight, they're
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: not going anywhere, their coach might be on the outs,
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots their season is obviously very much in
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: the balance as well. So which team actually comes out
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: and plays hard and wants to win this game, I
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: think it's going to win it. I like the Patriots.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: I think twenty seventeen kind of similar to Mike low
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: scoring in the twenties type of game. Yeah, I really
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: think this game is a lot like the way Evan
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: just talked about. One team I think has a possibility
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 1: of not really being all that emotionally invested in the
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: outcome of the game. And I'm not sure which one
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: that will be, but I think that might happen. I
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: think if you just looked down on paper and you
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: matched up personnel, I think there's a lot of reasons
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: to pick the Cardinals. And that's why I'm going to
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 1: do it. Not because I think the Patriots are going
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: to lay an egg, but to me, it's more about
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: Arizona not laying an egg. I think that's the path
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots to win. Games nowadays is like weather
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: or the other team just not being equipped to do anything,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: and that could happen. Arizona has done it many times.
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: Evans talked about it a lot like their offense looks dysfunctional.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: I think it's been better when the principal pieces are
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 1: in place, and that will be the case this week.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: They'll have Hopkins, Brown and Murray look seemingly at reasonable health.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: Twenty four, twenty Arizona. I think I'm six and six
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 1: picking the Patriots. That would be that would be my guess. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: my guess is you are ten and seven last year, right,
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 1: and seven and nine the year before. I mean, I'm
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: just that's off memory, just going off the top of
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: my head. But in a show of a lack of confidence,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: I am picking the Patriots. But I'm taking the points
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 1: thirty to twenty nine. Thirty to twenty nine. Patriots score
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: thirty in this game, and do not cover. Holy smokes,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: Patriots score thirty in this game, then start, I say
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: to just someone more more thing to highlight with Paul.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: You brought it up. I think I mentioned it too.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 1: Just I think this is a really big game for
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: the Patriots that they lose this game. You wonder you're
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: staying out there. What's the buy in to Evan's point
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: going to look like after that? So I just I
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: think it's crazy. I don't want to see this. I
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to see this happen. If the Patriots lose
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 1: this game, I do not believe they will win another
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. WHOA really? Okay? Are you okay
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: with that? Am I okay with it? No? I have
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: to do a show for it every but but my
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: point is that we have a lot of people I
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 1: know would be that want the draft pick at this point,
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: like does it really matter going from like eighteen to twelve?
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: That's my point that that's my take on it. Du welthough,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: I mean you could make an argument that it could.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: I mean, didn't Miami go from twelve into the top
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: ten to get Jalen Waddle? Yeah? I mean I suppose
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: you could make an argument. Now we're talking, there is
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: no jal Waddle in this draft. I'll just talk myself
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