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Mike Gundy Fired, Dabo Swinney's Hot Seat & Eli Drinkwitz Should Never Leave Mizzou | Charlie Marlow Show · Kenny Wallace Media

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  All right, we are live. What's up, everybody?
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  Charlie Marlow here talking college football.
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  We're going to start talking all about coaches because all kinds
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  of coaching news things going on the last week or so.
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  We're going to start with what's happened most recently.
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  Mike Gundy. I'm a man, I'm 40.
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  Remember that? One of the great quotes of all
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  time. And I'm guessing when that
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  happened, he was exactly 40. I should know that, but I just
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  looked at his Wikipedia page and he's 58 years old.
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  You probably heard the news. Mike Gundy let go from Oklahoma
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  State University with the mullet.
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  I was looking up his record and all that and look, it was just
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  2023. Okie State, 10 and four finished
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  the year ranked 16th in the country 20/21/12 and two
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  finished 7th in the country. Now if you go way far back,
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  2011, he had a year 12 and one finished third in the nation.
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  Would that have been the Michael Crabtree?
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  No, Michael Crabtree was Texas Tech Scratch that, we're live.
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  I can't edit that out. I don't remember who was on that
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  team back then. For Oklahoma State, 2011, but
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  third in the country and 12:00 and 1:00 and 1:00 the Big 12.
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  So they won the Big 12 just the one year.
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  That was 2011 under Mike Gundy, a career record. 170 and Ninety
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  170 and 90 and 102 and 72 in the Big 12.
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  This year let go with a one and two record.
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  He went 3:00 and 9:00 last year and if you remember there was
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  talk there were O and nine, O and nine in conference last
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  year. There was talk of Mike Gundy
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  that he was going to lose his job over the winter and they had
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  to work out the contract and the money and all that and NIL.
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  So there you go, Mike Gundy, one of the great personalities with
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  again, I'm a man, I'm 40 and the mullet and a guy who spoke his
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  mind, 58 years old. We'll see if he still coaches
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  somewhere. Oklahoma State was his alma
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  mater. It's the only place he knew.
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  We'll see what happens. And I I read AI guess it was a
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  tweet that basically he could have he could have stayed for
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  the rest of the year and he kind of just said, hey, I'll take my
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  money and I'll bounce. So a lot of coaching talk on
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  this show today, starting with Gundy, then we're going to move
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  on here to Dabo Sweeney, OK? And these things all kind of mix
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  in together because Dabo Sweeney's had a couple of press
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  conferences the last last couple of couple of weeks where he kind
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  of said, look, if if Clemson doesn't like what we're doing
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  here and they want to move on for me, hey, I'll go somewhere
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  else. I'll coach somewhere else.
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  He ain't he ain't done right. And I'm pulling up Dabo Sweeney
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  right now. He is a 55 years old, 55 years
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  old, two national championships. I have to say for a while there,
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  Dabo Sweeney, I don't know if he still is, but he was kind of the
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  number one Public Enemy for me as an Ohio State fan because he
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  had Ohio State's number for a nice chunky years there.
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  You can go back, gosh, I remember they beat they beat
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  Ohio State in a bowl game. I think, I think it was the
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  Cotton Bowl. Don't quote me on that.
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  I can look that up right here. This was years ago, years ago
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  before they won their national championships.
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  Dabo and Clemson wins their national championships in 2016
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  and 2018. Remember they had Deshaun Watson
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  and then they had Trevor Lawrence as the quarterback in
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  2018 when he wins the national championship.
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  Shawn Watson in 2016. OK, I can't remember which bowl
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  game they beat Ohio State in before that, but that's neither
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  here nor there. You don't really care.
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  Maybe it was the Orange Bowl, I don't remember.
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  I don't have the greatest memory.
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  I remember seeing Ohio State though, play Clemson with
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  Deshaun Watson. This was the College Football
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  Playoff semi final. So what year was this anyway?
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  Ohio State got beat 31 zip by Clemson 31 zip in that game.
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  College Football Playoff semi final and then spin it ahead and
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  Clemson beats Ohio State in the College Football Playoff again.
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  That was with Trevor Lawrence. If you remember that game, there
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  was all kinds of kind of craziness.
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  There was like a targeting call that was very controversial
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  where Ohio State, one of their best defensive players was was
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  called for targeting. There was that fumble, If you
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  remember that, it looked like a fumble.
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  They said it wasn't a completed catch.
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  Anyway, I'm just kind of in my brain thinking of this game and
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  I'm kind of getting off topic. That's what I do.
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  Let's see. Oh, hey, Derek Docket, D Bear.
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  D Bear's weighing in and he says let's see better coach
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  microphone moment. Gundy's I'm a man, I'm 40 or Jim
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  Morris playoffs or Dennis Green. The Bears are who he thought
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  they were. D Bear, appreciate you watching.
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  That's a great question. I mean, they're all they're all
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  right up there. They're all top tier for this
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  conversation. I'm going Gundy just because we
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  started with Gundy. Dennis Green also, didn't he?
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  Didn't he pound the podium? I believe playoffs, it's hard to
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  beat playoffs. But D Baer, appreciate you
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  watching, buddy. So anyway, and by the way, get
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  your get your comments in as well, anybody.
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  But I'm just trying to say Dabo Sweeney was Ohio State's nemesis
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  for for a good number of years there.
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  And I do respect, I really respect what he built as a
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  program. Now, Clemson did win a national
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  championship. I believe it was 1981, but it
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  had been a long time since Clemson was knocking on the door
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  each and every year to play for and win national championships.
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  So that's where, look, I know Clemson fans probably got used
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  to being in the Final Four, winning a national championship
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  every couple years, but what was Clemson before Davos Sweeney?
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  That's my point. It's not like Ohio State where,
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  and I know I keep making the Ohio State comparisons, but you
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  can go back really 35 years, 40 years, whatever it is with the
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  Buckeyes. And I don't want to say it
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  didn't matter who was the head coach.
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  I mean, John Cooper had a great win loss record, but he could
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  never beat Michigan, but he handed the baton to Jim Tressel.
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  Jim Tressel essentially did what John Cooper did, but he beat
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  Michigan each and every year. Basically every year anyone a
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  national championship, Jim Tressel hands the ball off to
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  Urban Meyer. There was the weird Luke Fickle
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  year with the tattoos, but we'll skip that.
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  But I'm saying Urban Meyer takes it even to another level.
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  He never loses to Michigan. 7 and O wins the national
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  championship, gets the team essentially the College Football
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  Playoff. Most years.
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  We know what happens with Urban. Urban hands it off to Ryan Day.
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  Things are looking good early. Then Ryan Day can't win a big
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  game. He can't beat Michigan.
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  Then all of a sudden the last, what, 55 big games?
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  Now he can't lose. What I'm saying is Ohio State
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  has a program, so that's going back.
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  That's going back 30, really 30 years, whatever it is.
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  Consistently winning 1011, sometimes 12 games every single
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  year. They've won national
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  championships now. Three different coaches, kind of
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  three different eras, right? In the early aughts, in the
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  teens, we're going to call it, it was 2014, But now then in
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  2024, so about every 10 years or so, Ohio State's winning a
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  national championship. My point is, and I always go
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  longer than I want to, but Ohio State is more of a program where
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  Dabo, I get it. Like if you're not loving Dabo
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  the last couple years, I understand.
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  But where were you before Dabo? And where will you be after Dabo
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  if he leaves, right? Are you going to get a better
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  coach than Dabo? By the way, for a while, I
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  thought that Dabo would replace Nick Saban.
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  And right now, Dabo's kind of on a little bit of a of a downturn.
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  And who knows what's going to happen in Alabama.
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  He wouldn't be their first choice now.
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  And now again, I'm kind of all over the place, but I'm Alabama.
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  If if you're not liking what's going on with Caitlin de Boer
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  and that monstrous buyout, I'm not saying it's going to happen
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  this year, but down the road, I mean, isn't Lane Kiffin, isn't
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  Lane Kiffin the the first call you have to make?
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  Maybe Lane like staying there at Ole Miss.
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  I don't know. Could have had the Auburn job.
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  But Auburn and Alabama, Alabama are not the same.
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  So who knows. My point being, Clemson fans, I
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  understand if you're not super happy, but look, even even in
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  Dabo's down years, I know they're one and three.
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  This year they're owned 2. So really rough start.
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  But they made the College Football Playoff last year,
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  expanded playoff. We know that.
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  I mean, they won 10 games last year.
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  Up until this year, they've been ranked.
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  They've been, they've been ranked every season
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  12345678910111214 straight years ranked in the top 25.
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  And you had a stretch there from 2015 to 2020 where they're
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  ranked in the top five every year.
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  Look at that. Finished second, won the natty,
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  finished fourth, won the natty, finished second, finished third.
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  That's 2015 until 2020 and the COVID year there and the COVID
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  year, that's where they actually lost to Ohio State in the bowl
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  game. That was Justin Fields that Ohio
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  State goes on to get smoked by Alabama during that COVID year.
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  OK, so we're just talking coaches.
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  And again, all I'm saying is Mike Gundy, he gone.
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  We'll see if he coaches somewhere else.
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  Still pretty young, 58. He's got the beautiful flowing
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  mullet. Dabo's only 55.
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  Clemson fans, be worried. Be be concerned about what you
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  wish for, right? You don't like Dabo and he's
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  basically, even in his down years, top 20, top 15 or
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  whatever it is. It could be worse.
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  I know he's not. Look, it's hard to replicate
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  that street guy just said 2015 to 2026 years in a row, the dude
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  finishes in the frickin top four in the top four of college
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  football. It's hard to sustain that.
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  Not many programs can sustain that lately.
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  I'm in Ohio State's probably one of the only programs that could
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  say something like that, finishing around the top five
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  every single year for for a long period of time.
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  We've even seen, you know, Alabama took a bit of a dip last
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  year in Caitlin de Boer's first year.
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  So because we're talking about coaching here locally, if you
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  don't know, I'm here in Saint Louis.
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  And it got me thinking about Eli Drink wits, right?
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  Mike Gundy gets fired, but he was there for fricking how many
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  years? I mean, how long was Mike Gundy
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  at Oklahoma State? From 2005 to 2025?
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  So what is that 21 years? Whatever it is?
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  Dabo Sweeney, he's been the head coach at Clemson since 2008.
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  So we're talking about 18 years. It just got me thinking.
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  The grass is not always greener. Eli Drinkwitz is doing some
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  really nice things at Mizzou. He makes $9 million per year,
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  according to Wikipedia. He's 42 years old.
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  That's it. He's young.
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  He's younger than me. I'm a man I'm 43.
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  He's a man. He's 42.
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  And then I say this with love. So Mizzou, 42 and 2423 and 20 in
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  the SEC, the toughest conference in college football.
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  He went 12 and one his one season at Appalachian State.
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  He finishes 22nd in the country or 20th in the country last
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  year, 8th in the country the year before.
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  They beat Ohio State in that bowl game.
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  I've talked about that ad nauseam.
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  He has Mizzou 4 and O this year, 1 and O in conference, they're
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  ranked in the top 25. It just got me thinking because
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  with what Eli Drinkwitz is doing and his last, let's just go last
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  three seasons. 25 and 5 didn't start out great.
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  No, five and five. I think that was a surprise in
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  the COVID year, kind of a little better than everybody expected.
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  2020. Then he goes six and seven, six
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  and seven. He really had to prove himself
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  in 2023, but he did. And now he can probably be there
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  as long as he wants. And that's why if I'm Eli
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  Drinkwitz, when you start to have bigger schools come
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  calling, which is probably already happening or it will
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  happen, whether it's Florida, whoever, I'm not saying he's
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  going to be a candidate for Alabama.
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  But my point is, look, I'm here in Saint Louis.
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  I have tons of friends, family that are Mizzou fans.
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  Mizzou is a really good program. It's a really solid program.
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  He has the Tigers rolling. But Mizzou is also not a blue
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  blood you. You just wonder when the big
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  schools really start calling for Eli Drinkwitz, will he leave?
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  Will he stay? My advice would be to stay,
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  honestly. Look, even if you're not winning
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  10 games, if you win 8 or 9:00-ish games, if, if you have
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  a Gary Pinkel like career, you can go down as the best coach in
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  the history of Mizzou. If if Eli Drinkowitz keeps this
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  up, you don't have the same pressure as a blue blood.
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  Maybe you want that pressure. Pressure makes diamonds.
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  I get that. But I'm just, I'm just saying,
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  we know there's so many examples of coaches leaving a spot where
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  they're really good. I think back to Rich Rodriguez.
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  Rich Rodriguez, his first time when he was at West Virginia and
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  it just everything clicked there and then he goes to Michigan and
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  it didn't work out and his career really not the same
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  since. And all I'm saying is sometimes
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  even if you're not out of blue blood, if you can make
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  $910,000,000 a year, if you can in your bad seasons, win 7 or 8.
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  I know his bad seasons early were six wins, but hopefully Eli
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  Drinkwitz is bad seasons moving forward.
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  More like 7 wins. If you can win 891011 games, if
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  you can win double digit games every five years or so, whatever
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  it is. And he's already better than
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  that by the way. But if you can do that every
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  five years or so at Mizzou, you can coach for as long as you
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  want. I mean, he could, he could, he
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  could literally coach there for 25 years.
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  I'm, I'm not going to predict the future, but the dude's 42
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  years old and if he keeps this up, he could go down as the best
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  Mizzou football coach in history.
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  He could coach there as long as he wants to.
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  Whereas, OK, let's say you take the Florida job whenever it is
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  couple years from now, you have a nice season, all of a sudden
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  you have a couple of bad seasons.
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  They want you fired immediately. Then where do you go from there?
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  Could you build back somewhere else?
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  Sure. My point is sometimes it's nice
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  to be in a good spot where everything's working out.
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  And by the way, you know, if, if I'm thinking about Eli
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  Drinkowitz potentially leaving Mizzou, and it's not like he's
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  going to, but I would think you could make the argument a couple
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  years ago. If Eli Drinkowitz is saying, you
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  know what in the SEC, how hard will it be to win, to actually
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  win the SEC from Mizzou? Very difficult.
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  How difficult would it be for Mizzou to make it to a four team
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  College Football Playoff? Very, very difficult.
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  And we know going back that that Mizzou made it to the SEC
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  Championship game 2013, 2014. I get that.
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  I covered those teams. I was at the first, I was at the
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  first SEC Championship game, 2013, close game around
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  halftime, whatever it was, Auburn steamrolled them.
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  They just run, ran the ball down their throat.
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  Trey Mason, Mizzou just couldn't stop the same play for the whole
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  game. But my point is more so it would
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  be really hard for Mizzou. Everything would have to be
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  perfect. And then this is this is by the
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  way, this was during the SEC East, SEC West when the East was
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  down for a while there, Georgia was not what it is now.
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  Tennessee was a little bit down. I know it's not the same
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  scenario now, but again, I'm I'm long winded in saying couple
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  years ago, you go, man, if I'm at Mizzou, can I really win a
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  national title? Can I really make it to the
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  College Football Playoff? Can I really win the SEC now?
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  I still think some of those questions are fair.
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  Now, will Mizzou ever win the SECII?
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  Don't know. It's probably not likely.
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  You never know. But could Mizzou be the second,
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  third, fourth best team in the SEC?
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  Absolutely. In the past, that doesn't get
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  you to the College Football Playoff with four teams.
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  Or if you go before that BCS era, whatever it is.
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  Well, now, I mean, look, go back two years.
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  It was just timing. Mizzou would be in the 12 team
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  College Football Playoff if it started a year earlier in 2023.
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  Last year, Mizzou had a very good chance to make the College
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  Football Playoff and they got blown out by Texas A&M.
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  It just didn't work out. But if you can go 10 and two, if
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  Mizzou can do that this year, there's a very good chance they
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  can make the College Football Playoffs.
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  So I think that's also changed the conversation for coaches.
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  If you said, man, I have to be at a blue blood to get to that
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  final four, you know, it's not going to happen.
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  You know, every once in a while I'm and I'm thinking about the
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  Big 10. You know, Michigan State got to
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  the College Football Playoff that one year.
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  Think about the Big 12. There's been years TCU, did
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  Baylor, did Baylor ever get to the College Football Playoff?
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  I I think they did. I'll have to check that.
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  But my point is non blue blood teams every once in a while
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  would find their way into the College Football Playoff Final
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  Four. But it was usually Alabama, Ohio
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  State, Clemson for those years, Oklahoma.
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  I mean, you had Georgia at the end there.
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  Georgia makes its run. But now with 12 teams, if
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  Mizzou, Mizzou could finish third or fourth, they could be a
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  10 and two SEC team. And as long as they don't get
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  blown out like last year at Texas A&M and you have a couple
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  good wins, Mizzou could absolutely make the College
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  Football Playoff. And this also I was I was
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  following somebody on Twitter that made this argument that
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  Mizzou shouldn't be in the SEC. And again, like I think that's a
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  fair debate to have. And it was it was more of a
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  debate years ago for all the reasons I mentioned, which is
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  out of the SEC, are you ever going to win the conference?
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  Are you ever going to make the four team College Football
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  Playoff? I think it's fair to say
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  Mizzou's chances of squeaking into a College Football Playoff
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  or winning their conference, Some of those, some of those Big
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  10 years, certainly some of those Big 12 years at the end,
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  right? Could Mizzou the last couple
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  years made it to a a a final four out of the Big 12?
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  Could they have won the Big 12? Yeah, I think it's fair to say
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  some of those years they had a good chance or could have
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  actually won that conference. But now again, the 12 team
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  playoff changes everything. It gives everybody so many more
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  opportunities. You can lose a game.
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  Hell, there's going to be 9 and three teams that eventually make
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  the College Football Playoff. So Eli Drinkwitz is doing a hell
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  of a job at Mizzou and I think he should stay.
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  I think he's good for business. Just stay there.
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  Make your 9 million. They'll keep giving you raises,
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  Eventually be making whatever 1213 million.
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  They're happy with ten wins, you know, get to a College Football
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  Playoff. What's fair?
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  What do you think is fair guys, for Mizzou?
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  I mean, is, is the college football 12 team playoff fair
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  every 10 years for Mizzou? Should it be every eight?
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  Should it be every seven? Should we say no?
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  I mean, if they get in, they get in.
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  But I think 12 teams opens up a whole new can of worms if you
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  just go back. Let's just do it real quick
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  because hey, I'm here. Let's check out Missouri
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  football, OK, year by year and see how many, how many years
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  they would have made the College Football Playoff with a 12 team,
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  with a 12 team format. OK, I'm trying to find year by
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  year. I'm on Wikipedia.
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  All right, let's just let's just do this.
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  We'll go. We'll go backwards with coaches.
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  OK. Eli Drinkwitz.
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  Boom. Eli Drinkwitz would have made
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  the College Football Playoff in a 12 team format in 2023.
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  OK, he would have made it for sure.
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  Who knows? Maybe he makes it.
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  Maybe he makes it this year. But 2023 Mizzou would have made
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  a 12 team College Football Playoff.
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  Let's go to Barry Odom. I don't think they ever would
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  have made the 12 team playoff. Barry Odom mostly what?
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  Eight wins? Yeah, Barry Odom's best season
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  was 8 and 5/20/18 never finished ranked.
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  So let's go back to Pinky Gary Pinkel.
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  So with what I'm talking about, Mizzou would have made the
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  College Football Playoff 12 team in 2023.
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  OK, 2014 Mizzou would have made it right. 11 and 3 was their
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  final record. They finished 11th and 14th in
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  the standings in the polls 2013 of course, Mizzou finished fifth
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  in the country. They'd have made the 12 team
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  College Football Playoff if there was one.
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  I'm saying. And then go back to 2000 and
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  seven. 2007 Mizzou 12 and 2. They finished in the polls 5th
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  and 4th. So for sure, Mizzou would have
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  made a 12 team College Football Playoff 1234 times in the last
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  1819 seasons and even 2008 and 2010 under Gary Pinkel.
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  They're 10:00 and 4:00 and 10:00 and 3:00.
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  They're knocking on the door. You know, they finished 18th in
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  the country, 19th in country, whatever it is, they're knocking
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  on the door to make a 12 team College Football Playoff.
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  So with that math, if Eli Drinkwitz wants to be as good as
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  Gary Pinkel, which I think he can be, so Gary Pinkel would
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  have made A12 team College Football Playoff three times and
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  Eli would have made it once. So I think Eli's got to do it a
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  couple more Times Now, now that we actually have a playoff.
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  Remember, I'm talking hypothetically here.
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  So there you go. You know what?
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  I was going to talk about a bunch of other stuff.
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  I watched that Charlie Sheen documentary I recommend.
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  It's crazy. It's like 3 hours, 2 episodes,
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  hour and a half. We don't need to get into that
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  though, because you know what? I've already gone 24 minutes.
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  It's all good, and we're trying to talk college football, so
• 24:10
  we'll just kind of end with college football.
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  And you got to say, though, I got my Guardian shirt on #guards
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  ball, believe land. How about the Cleveland
• 24:19
  Guardians making up like 15 1/2 games in a matter of a couple
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  months? My good buddy Dan Puente, the
• 24:27
  assistant hitting coach. So I'm rooting for the Guardians
• 24:30
  even though they're playing the Detroit Tigers, the team that
• 24:32
  all my family grew up rooting for.
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  So there you go. All right, thanks for watching
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  live D Bear. Appreciate the comment.
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  Thanks for watching on Charlie Marlow YouTube.
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  We will put this on podcast, Kenny Wallace media, lots of
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  college football talking coaches and here's why I didn't actually
• 24:49
  watch any college football this past week.
• 24:51
  Not going to lie. I was at freaking Monster Jam
• 24:54
  with my kid on Saturday. I was at the lake.
• 24:57
  I was watching the NASCAR race on Sunday.
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  I'm honest with you guys, but I'll be watching this week.
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  It's one of the greatest slates of college football we've seen.
• 25:06
  Ohio State and Washington, but what Oregon?
• 25:09
  Penn State? Before I leave you, let me find
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  it because the games are just crazy.
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  The games are insane this week. Let me read the schedule for you
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  in case you forgot because I forget all the time.
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  Here we go. Let's just talk ranked week 5.
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  Coming up, we got USC and Illinois.
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  That's ranked 21, ranked USC, 23rd ranked Illinois.
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  We got Ohio State at Washington, both undefeated, Washington
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  unranked, Ohio State number one in the country.
• 25:42
  That spread is only 8 1/2 for the Buckeyes.
• 25:45
  How about #4 LSU at #13 Ole Miss talking about Lane Kiffin again?
• 25:53
  And then what am I missing? Already mentioned Oregon at Penn
• 25:57
  State, Penn State, 3 1/2 point favorite.
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  I'll tell you too that Ole Miss is a 1 1/2 point favorite at
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  home versus LSU, Alabama, Georgia, Alabama at Georgia, the
• 26:10
  Dogs a 3 1/2 point favorite. So man, you talk about marquee
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  matchups, Alabama, Georgia, Oregon, Penn State and LSU.
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  Ole Miss 3 monster games. We'll even throw USC and
• 26:24
  Illinois top 25 match up. But three monster match ups this
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  week for a week 5 of college football.
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  Let's see, we got Rob 077 commenting so I can't leave you
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  yet. Rob 077.
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  A lot of SEC fans were not happy that Mizzou came in there two of
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  the first three seasons and made it to Atlanta.
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  And some have never been forever.
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  Yeah, that's true. Remember also, wasn't it that
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  first year they wouldn't have made it obviously to the
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  championship game, Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  I believe the first year Sheldon Richardson, who was a beast,
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  didn't get to play the final game.
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  There was an issue. I can't remember what it was.
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  I was at this game. I think they lost to Syracuse.
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  I think they lost to Syracuse and they would have been both
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  eligible. Tell you what, because I have
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  Gary Pinkel's numbers up, I'll look that up because I don't
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  have the greatest memory. So this would have been, yeah,
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  OK, This would have been 2012. So Mizzou finished five and
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  seven. Let me see if my memory is
• 27:31
  correct. Let's go through their schedule.
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  OK. I guess I was kind of wrong.
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  I think I was. I think I was right.
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  They got smoked by Texas A&M final game of the season by 30,
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  but they lost a four point game at home to Syracuse 3127.
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  If they win that game, they would have been six and six and
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  bowl eligible. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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  I believe there was an issue. Sheldon Midderson didn't play
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  that game. And I think you can make the
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  argument if he plays, they probably win whatever it is.
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  I can't remember, but I think that's what happened.
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  That was 2012. But yeah, 2013, 2014 got to
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  cover those teams with Gary Pinkel and they were, they were
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  bad ass teams. Dude, those teams on the lines
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  were freaking monsters. Those were SEC teams at the line
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  of scrimmage, that offensive line.
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  I mean, almost all those dudes played in the NFL at some point.
• 28:32
  So many of those defensive lineman draft picks.
• 28:36
  I mean, we're talking about Shane Ray, Marcus Golden,
• 28:40
  Michael Sam, Coney, Ely, just I mean, pass rushers getting after
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  the quarterback dominant offensive lines.
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  Those Mizzou teams were really, really good.
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  Also in the era where the SEC was by far the best conference,
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  they were winning the national championship every year.
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  And you run into an Auburn team, you run into what, an Alabama
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  team the next year where those, those teams were almost
• 29:04
  impossible to beat, especially Nick Saban in Alabama when he
• 29:09
  was really going. Let me double check that on on
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  the following year because I was at the game when they lost to
• 29:16
  Auburn. So let's see 2014, 2014, yeah #1
• 29:24
  Alabama, it was a boat race. They lost 4213 in the SEC
• 29:29
  championship game, but they came back to win their bowl game
• 29:32
  versus Minnesota, 3317. So there you have it.
• 29:38
  All right, thank you, D Bear. Thank you, Rob for commenting
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  and I'm going to shut her down. And again, thank you for
• 29:45
  listening. Also on Kenny Wallace Media for
• 29:47
  the podcast version. All right, we're going to do one
• 29:49
  of these each and every week, usually talking college
• 29:51
  football. We'll bounce around with some
• 29:53
  other sports stuff moving forward.
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  All right, thanks for watching end stream, end stream.