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Speaker 1: Peter Kreendlin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program.
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Speaker 3: I'm Jamie Rodgers in the chair for Peter Kretlin coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight. The families of the victims from the Bondaye
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Speaker 3: terror attack have issued a joint statement calling on the
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister to launch a Commonwealth Royal commission. US President
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has met with Ukrainian President Volodimir Zelenski in Florida.
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Speaker 2: So are we any closer to a peace deal?
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Speaker 3: And the spotlight is back on the government's mismanagement of
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Speaker 3: the budget as we head into the new year. But
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Speaker 3: first let's talk about priorities. When you strip away the spin,
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Speaker 3: the statements and the press conferences, what governments do and
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Speaker 3: when they do it tells you exactly what they value.
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Speaker 3: And this week Australians have been given a very clear
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Speaker 3: picture of where this government's priorities sit and where they don't.
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Speaker 3: Let's start with Bondai. The families of the victims from
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Speaker 3: the Bondaie terror attack have issued a joint statement calling
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Speaker 3: on the Prime Minister for a Royal commission into the
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Speaker 3: Bondaie terror attack, not a review, not a department inquiry,
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Speaker 3: not another internal process that disappears into bureaucracy, a royal commission.
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Speaker 3: The letter states we demand answers and solutions. We need
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Speaker 3: to know why clear warning signs were ignored, how anti
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Speaker 3: Semitic hatred and Islamic extremism were allowed to dangerously grow unchecked,
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Speaker 3: and what changes must be made to protect all Australians
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Speaker 3: going forward. Announcements made so far by the federal government
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Speaker 3: in response to the Bondai massacre are not nearly enough.
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, how can.
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Speaker 3: You not support a royal commission into the deadliest terrorist
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Speaker 3: attack on Australian soil. Royal commissions have been established for
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Speaker 3: banks and for aid care. You owe US answers, you
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Speaker 3: owe us accountability, and you owe Australians the truth. The
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Speaker 3: daughter of one of the victims, Reuven Morrison, spoke on
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Speaker 3: Sky News earlier today, discussing that the massacre could not
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Speaker 3: be treated as an isolated incident.
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Speaker 4: This did not occur in a vacuum. We've been suffering
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Speaker 4: for the last two and a half years with the
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Speaker 4: rise of anti Semitism. We've been fearful in our homes,
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Speaker 4: in our schools, in our sports fields, going out in public.
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Speaker 4: This is something that needs accountability and responsibility. We need
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Speaker 4: to know how it occurred and we need to ensure
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Speaker 4: that this cannot occur again.
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Speaker 3: Missus Gutnik also issued a broader warning about the spread
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Speaker 3: of extremist ideology, urging Australians to challenge hatred before it escalates.
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Speaker 4: We need to educate the next generation to tell the
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Speaker 4: difference between good, between evil, between wrong and between what's.
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Speaker 3: Justine to the Prime Minister, this is the moment. Leadership
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Speaker 3: is not measured by how well you manage headlines. It's
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Speaker 3: measured by what you choose to confront. A Royal commission
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Speaker 3: is not asked for lightly. It's what you call for
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Speaker 3: when trust has broken down and answers aren't forthcoming, when
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Speaker 3: governments appear more interested in managing fallout than confronting failure.
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Speaker 3: And Anthony Albanezi now has a choice. He can listen
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Speaker 3: and act or he can deflect.
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Speaker 5: My job as the Australian Prime Minister is to act
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Speaker 5: in the national interest. It is in the national interest
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Speaker 5: for us to do the Richardson Review on National Security
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Speaker 5: on any gaps which are there in the conduct of
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Speaker 5: our agencies.
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Speaker 3: But let's be clear, refusing a Royal Commission doesn't make
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Speaker 3: the questions go away. It only deepens suspicion that there
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Speaker 3: is something the government doesn't want exposed. While those families
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Speaker 3: are asking for accountability at the federal level, it's a
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Speaker 3: different story at the state level. New South Wales Premier
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Speaker 3: Chris Mins is weighing up whether to request Army troops
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Speaker 3: to be deployed to protect Jewish sites like schools and synagogues,
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Speaker 3: but at a minimum, ensuring armed guards at events like
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Speaker 3: Hunneker by the Sea.
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Speaker 6: And the real test for us will be one year
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Speaker 6: from now, five years from now, fifteen years from now,
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Speaker 6: when the Jewish community feels safe in their community and
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Speaker 6: I look, I know that this means fundamental changes. But
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Speaker 6: that's why we are looking at arming the CSG for
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Speaker 6: events like Harneker in the Park. That's why we are speaking.
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Speaker 6: We want to speak with the Commonwealth about deploying the army,
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Speaker 6: particularly as Operation Shelter moves into a new phase.
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Speaker 3: So think about that armed guards required to protect Jewish
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Speaker 3: children at school and protecting families at worship. This is
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Speaker 3: not the language of a safe, cohesive society. This is
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Speaker 3: the language of a government and acknowledging that law and
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Speaker 3: order has deteriorated so badly that conventional policing may no
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Speaker 3: longer be enough. And while Mins deserves credit for at
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Speaker 3: least recognizing the seriousness of the threat, Australian should be
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Speaker 3: asking a far more uncomfortable question, how on.
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Speaker 2: Earth did we get here?
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Speaker 3: How did we reach a point where Jewish Australians require
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Speaker 3: military protection simply to live their lives?
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Speaker 2: Because this didn't happen overnight. It happened through denial, through.
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Speaker 3: Leaders refusing to call out anti Semitism clearly, consistently and
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Speaker 3: early because it was politically uncomfortable. But if you really
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Speaker 3: want to understand where this government's priorities lie, consider this.
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Speaker 3: The Australian reported that the day after the Bondaie terror attack,
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Speaker 3: while Australians were demanding answers, the federal Labor government quietly
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Speaker 3: rushed through increased gender targets for barristers who represent the Commonwealth.
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Speaker 3: Attorney General Michelle Roland instructed that forty percent of their
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Speaker 3: briefs went to female barristers. This is an increase from
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Speaker 3: twenty five percent for senior barristers and thirty percent for
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Speaker 3: junior ones in the twenty seventeen version.
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Speaker 2: Of the rules.
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Speaker 3: Ms Rowland also reportedly told solicitors they must consider a
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Speaker 3: broad range of candidates, those of diverse gender, identity, sexual orientation,
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Speaker 3: race or religion, disability, and counsel who identify as First Nations.
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Speaker 3: The previous rules made no mention of any of those criteria,
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Speaker 3: So diversity, equity and inclusion reforms for solicitors representing the government.
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Speaker 2: So let's let that sink in.
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Speaker 3: The day after a terrorist attack on the Jewish community
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Speaker 3: on Australian soil, the government's legislative urgency was not security
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Speaker 3: but ideological reform.
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Speaker 2: That tells you everything.
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Speaker 3: After an attack of this magnitude, the government should have
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Speaker 3: been focused squarely on national security, accountability and preventing the
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Speaker 3: next failure. Clearly, this is a government whose priorities are
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Speaker 3: painfully wrong. Well, let's bring in the panel now and
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Speaker 3: form a liberal MP. Nicole Flint and Sky News contributor
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Speaker 3: Louise Roberts, Well, Nicole, I'll start with you. And Anthony
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Speaker 3: Alberanizi has responded to calls from the families of the
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Speaker 3: Bondai Terr attack, saying a Royal commission is not in
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Speaker 3: the national interest. He then listed what the Richardson review
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Speaker 3: would instead do. Let's take a quick listen to the PM.
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Speaker 5: What additional measures should be taken by relevant com wealth
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Speaker 5: agencies to prevent similar attacks occurring in the future, including
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Speaker 5: whether they have adequate legislative powers, systems, processes and procedures,
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Speaker 5: including in regards to information sharing, whether warrant and data
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Speaker 5: access regimes and powers are adequate, and whether any legislative
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Speaker 5: amendments are required.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Nicole, the Prime Minister believes that this departmental
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Speaker 3: review would be more effective. But all I could hear
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Speaker 3: in that list was pointing the finger towards Asio and
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Speaker 3: getting ready for him just to shift the blame away
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Speaker 3: from himself.
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Speaker 1: The failure of the Prime Minister to call a royal
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Speaker 1: commission exposes him as the weak coward that he is.
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Speaker 1: This inquiry should not just be about Asio and the AFP.
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Speaker 1: It needs to be about the unpracing theented rise of
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Speaker 1: anti Semitism, of radical Islam and Islamic terrorism. This inquiry
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Speaker 1: and the reason why we need a royal commission should
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Speaker 1: also be about Labour's complete lack of leadership on anti
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Speaker 1: semitism since the October seven attacks, and this comes really
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Speaker 1: to an absolutely fundamental plank of our Western democracy, which
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Speaker 1: is the Westminster Parliamentary system, which says that individual ministers
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Speaker 1: should be personally responsible for their behavior and their decisions,
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Speaker 1: and that they should be personally responsible for the actions
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Speaker 1: and decisions or lack of action of their departments. As such,
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Speaker 1: I believe that Penny Wong should be sacked, Tony Burke
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Speaker 1: should be sacked, and the Prime Minister should be sacked,
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Speaker 1: or they should all do the right thing and stand down.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're spot on there, and Louise, I just feel
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Speaker 3: as though by the PM constantly rejecting the idea of
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Speaker 3: a royal commission, it just shows, it just makes him
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Speaker 3: look as though he's hiding something.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's the number one thought we've all got, isn't it,
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Speaker 7: Jamie's what does he have to hide? And for a
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Speaker 7: federal government which was elected on promises of transparency and accountability,
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Speaker 7: this is the one thing every person in Australia wants
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Speaker 7: from the Prime Minister. They want a royal commission so
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Speaker 7: we know what actually happened in Bondai and we can
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Speaker 7: learn the lessons from that and we can prevent a
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Speaker 7: similar attack happening in the future. Now government's order reviews
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Speaker 7: when they want speed and they want everything tidy off
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Speaker 7: the nice bow. They only order royal commissions when they're
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Speaker 7: looking for truth and accountability.
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Speaker 8: So it all sort of.
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Speaker 7: Points back to his reluctance to have this and to
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Speaker 7: keep pushing the review as some kind of you know,
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Speaker 7: band aid solution for the families of the Bondai victims
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Speaker 7: and also Australian Jews you know nationally, who are looking
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Speaker 7: to be living in a country where they feel safe
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Speaker 7: and as you say, don't have armed guards at their
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Speaker 7: children's schools and can gather in public and not worry
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Speaker 7: about some sort of Heenus crime happening to them. It
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Speaker 7: just everyone I speak to about this Royal Commission just
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Speaker 7: cannot get their head round why the Prime Minister won't
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Speaker 7: back it in.
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Speaker 2: It's just bewildering, it really is.
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Speaker 3: There seems to be calls coming from every single angle
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Speaker 3: for this Royal Commission. We'll be having to wait and
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Speaker 3: see what Albernezi decides to do. Let's sort ever seas
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Speaker 3: now and Nicole. A new poll has been published in
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Speaker 3: the UK Sunday Mirror, and let's show that sixty four
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Speaker 3: percent of BRIT's support an under sixteen social media ban. Now,
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Speaker 3: the British Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer has previously said
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Speaker 3: that he was against imposing a blanket style ban.
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Speaker 2: What do you make of this.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm really surprised that the Prime Minister of the
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Speaker 1: UK isn't paying close attention to what we've done here
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Speaker 1: in Australia. I'm really pleased that we actually implemented the
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Speaker 1: under sixteen social media ban because we now have more
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Speaker 1: than enough evidence showing that the harm on children's brains.
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Speaker 1: You know, it can lead to the rewiring of your
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Speaker 1: entire thought processes, let alone the self harm and the
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Speaker 1: bullying that has happened so tragically in so many instances.
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Speaker 1: So I think the Prime Minister of the UK needs
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Speaker 1: to listen to the public and look at what we've
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Speaker 1: done here and actually take steps to protect young people.
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Speaker 1: It's the first job of government to protect your vulnerable citizens,
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Speaker 1: and young people are one of those key categories that
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Speaker 1: we owe a higher duty of care to, particularly in
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Speaker 1: the online environment.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Louise, it's interesting with the social media ban
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Speaker 3: as well that some of the platforms that aren't included
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Speaker 3: are things like which has direct access to predators for youngsters.
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Speaker 3: What do you think about this and how do we
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Speaker 3: deter children from just going and taking up another platform
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Speaker 3: and signing up to a different social media space.
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Speaker 7: Well that comes down to parenting, doesn't it, and supervising
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Speaker 7: them with their devices. But I agree all platforms should
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Speaker 7: be part of this ban. I know there was lots
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Speaker 7: of platforms advocating to be excluded, YouTube, etc. But really,
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Speaker 7: if we're going to be effective in this care of
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Speaker 7: our under sixteen year olds and to read them of
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Speaker 7: the poison of social media and the catastrophic effect it
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Speaker 7: has had on so many young minds, I.
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Speaker 2: Mean, to go to the UK.
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Speaker 7: I don't know why Kistarma hasn't just know said yes,
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Speaker 7: we're going to do it. Because in Australia we didn't
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Speaker 7: wait until the program was perfect.
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Speaker 2: We went ahead and did it.
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Speaker 7: And that's why the rest of the world are now
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Speaker 7: looking at their own countries and the effects of social
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Speaker 7: media on their own young people and thinking what are
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Speaker 7: we waiting for? I mean, we're waiting for another death,
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Speaker 7: We're waiting for another tragic bullying situation. It's very clear
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Speaker 7: from the evidence this is the only way forward for young.
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Speaker 1: People how to protect them.
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Speaker 2: So Keyston.
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Speaker 7: I believe is just has to really bite the bullet
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Speaker 7: and say I'm going to do it. I'm going to
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Speaker 7: ban social media for sixteen and under.
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Speaker 3: Well, Nicole, Harry and Meghan have made headlines again. This
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Speaker 3: time they've lost their eleventh publicist in five years after
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Speaker 3: their communication chief stepped down, and reports say this is
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Speaker 3: all following drama over pictures that were posted of the
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Speaker 3: royals at a Kardashian birthday party that they needed to
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Speaker 3: be removed.
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Speaker 2: I mean, they sound like a nightmare to work with.
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Speaker 3: Do you think they ever have a moment of self
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Speaker 3: reflection of where they think, what are we doing wrong?
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Speaker 2: Why are we losing so many staff?
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Speaker 1: Well, all I can say is let's hope they don't
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Speaker 1: replace their communications staff and we hear a lot less
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Speaker 1: of them in twenty twenty six and in future years.
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Speaker 2: And Louise, what do you think?
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Speaker 3: I know we've spoken about this couple on a few
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Speaker 3: different shows, but it seems like there's something happening in
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Speaker 3: their camp that they have now lost an eleventh staff
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Speaker 3: member or publicist in just five years.
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Speaker 7: That's right, And Meredith Mains is no sort of you know,
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Speaker 7: Junior Burger in the PR department. She's a very strategic,
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Speaker 7: very experienced PR operative. In fact, she is credited with
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Speaker 7: basically organizing what they call the Clarence House meet up
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Speaker 7: between Charles's PRS and Harry and Meghan's PRS back in June,
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Speaker 7: which was meant to thaw the relationship between the two
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Speaker 7: warring factions in the winds of Family, but that's obviously
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Speaker 7: had limited success because Harry and Meghan are the experts.
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Speaker 2: They get these very.
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Speaker 7: High paid PR people in and they don't listen to
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Speaker 7: the advice and they have no strategy for their own businesses.
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Speaker 7: So really it's no surprise I think that Meredith has
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Speaker 7: suddenly thought, you know what, the situation with the Kardashians
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Speaker 7: was really the straw the boat that camel's back, because
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Speaker 7: you cannot execute a strategy if the people you're executing
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Speaker 7: it for say, you know what, we're not going to
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Speaker 7: do that, we're going to do our own plan, and
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Speaker 7: then when it all implodes, they then fire people, or
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Speaker 7: people are encouraged to leave, or they leave her their
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Speaker 7: own volition, which is what's happened in Meredith's case, So
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Speaker 7: a big loss to them.
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Speaker 3: I think of her, Nicole, I'd love to get your
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Speaker 3: thoughts quickly on this one. I mentioned it up the
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Speaker 3: top about Labor rushing through their new gender quotas for
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Speaker 3: legal counsel that's representing the Commonwealth, up from twenty five
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Speaker 3: percent in twenty seventeen. I just thought the timing that
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Speaker 3: just blew my mind, to be honest, and I just thought,
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Speaker 3: shouldn't the government be focusing on the terrorist attack versus
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Speaker 3: these ideological policies.
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Speaker 1: Of course, the government should be focusing on the terrorist attack.
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Speaker 1: I truly cannot believe how tone death the alban easy
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Speaker 1: labor government is to make such significant changes and to
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Speaker 1: try and sort of, you know, sneak them through while
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Speaker 1: the rest of us are rightly firmly focused on what
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Speaker 1: is the most tragic and horrifying terrorist event on Australian soil. Ever,
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Speaker 1: it just beggars belief that Michelle Roland has chosen this
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Speaker 1: time to introduce these changes which had nothing to do
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Speaker 1: with merit whatsoever, of course, because labor and everything to
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Speaker 1: do with them ticking all of their progressive lefty boxes.
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Speaker 1: I just think this is an absolute disgrace.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Louise, what has happened to just finding the
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Speaker 3: right person for the job.
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Speaker 7: Yes, merit based employment. Fancy that I know that's actually
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Speaker 7: the average Australian. We think that's probably the way to go.
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Speaker 7: The best person gets a job, not because there's not
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Speaker 7: enough women or not enough men, I may add it
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Speaker 7: it cunts both ways. I'm not a fan of gender quota,
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Speaker 7: as I've argued about this in many columns over the years.
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Speaker 7: It's got to be a merit based employment situation for me.
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Speaker 7: But you know, to your point as well, Nicole, sneaking
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Speaker 7: it through when everyone quite rightly has their eye on
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Speaker 7: a much more serious and impactful situation in Bondi is
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Speaker 7: just ludicrous. Okay, the review was going on for a year,
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Speaker 7: but the timing is just adjust appalling. They can't expect
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Speaker 7: any sort of you know, support for this sort of
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Speaker 7: thing when they sweep it in when we're all considering
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Speaker 7: it far more important issue.
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Speaker 3: Well, thanks very much Nicole and Louise for your time
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Speaker 3: this evening.
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Speaker 2: We'll chat to you again soon.
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Speaker 9: Well.
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Speaker 3: Today the Herald Sun has reported Labour's ambassador for First
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Speaker 3: Nations People has racked up a taxpayer funded travel bill
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Speaker 3: which is approaching three hundred and fifty thousand dollars justin
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Speaker 3: Muhammad spent close to one hundred thousand dollars on overseas
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Speaker 3: travel between February and October this year. It comes after
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Speaker 3: mister Muhammad told The Indigenous Business Review in June that
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Speaker 3: he grew up with a desire to prove White Australia
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Speaker 3: wrong after seeing the differences between Aboriginal and Torres Strait
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Speaker 3: Islander people and the rest of the community in Bunderberg.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Institute of Public Affairs Research fellow Saxon,
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Speaker 3: Davidson and Saxon. This role has a four hundred thousand
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Speaker 3: dollars salary, ten staff and a four year budget of
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Speaker 3: more than thirteen million dollars. I mean, where's the proof
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Speaker 3: of actual real outcomes that has improved the lives of
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Speaker 3: Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's no proof that there's been any improved outcomes
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Speaker 10: for Indigenous people in Australia based on this envoy. And
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Speaker 10: that doesn't really surprise me, considering that outcomes aren't really
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Speaker 10: a serious, serious thing that the Albanisi government thinks about.
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Speaker 10: Almost all the decisions that have been made under this
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Speaker 10: government have everything to do with ideology, whether it be
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Speaker 10: the economy or energy, the budget and Indigenous affairs are
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Speaker 10: no different. I mean you only have to look at
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Speaker 10: the activist and device or Voice to Parliament referendum to
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Speaker 10: see this. And also this just seems like to be
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Speaker 10: following the same way with the view that have to
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Speaker 10: prove White Australia wrong. When the envoy's role should really
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Speaker 10: be about improving the lives of Indigenous Australians on the
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Speaker 10: ground here in Australia.
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Speaker 3: And Peter Dutton wanted to abolish this role. How can
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Speaker 3: Labor and Penny Wong just f three hundred and fifty
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Speaker 3: thousand dollars in travel expenses, especially during a cost of
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Speaker 3: living crisis when families and this country is doing it
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Speaker 3: so tough.
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Speaker 10: Well, there's really no justification for especially considering that waste,
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Speaker 10: that government waste and government waste spending particularly is crowding
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Speaker 10: out economic growth and is one of the key driving
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Speaker 10: factors of inflation here in Australia. But this is even
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Speaker 10: getting beyond the factors. Why is the taxpayer paying for
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Speaker 10: a First Nations envoid to be traveling internationally at all?
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Speaker 10: Considering that Indigenous Australians are indigenous to Australia. I understand
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Speaker 10: that it could be expensive to travel from particularly remote
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Speaker 10: communities in Western Australia, to the Northern Territory, to Queensland
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Speaker 10: and even to South Australia. But even so, it should
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Speaker 10: be nowhere near the hundreds of thousands of dollars in
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Speaker 10: travel expenses for a First Nations Envoy Well Chris.
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Speaker 3: Mins has said today that life in Sydney will be
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Speaker 3: extremely different than what it was in December.
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Speaker 2: Here is the Premier.
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Speaker 6: The security protocols and resources are going to have to
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Speaker 6: change in Sydney, and they've changed in Rome, and they've
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Speaker 6: changed in Paris, and they're going to have to change here.
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Speaker 6: I mean, anyone who's suggesting that we can just have
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Speaker 6: the same regime, the same process that we had in
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Speaker 6: place on December the thirteenth is wrong.
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Speaker 11: Those days are over.
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Speaker 2: Saxon, what do you make of the Premier's comments?
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Speaker 10: I think the Premier is completely right. Australia has changed
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Speaker 10: forever since December thirteen, and we really have to look
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Speaker 10: to ourselves and actually say that how do we get
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Speaker 10: to this point? I mean, this didn't happen in a vacuum.
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Speaker 10: This has been this terrorist attack, the worst terrorist attack
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Speaker 10: on Australian shaws, had been brewing for two years since
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Speaker 10: October seventh in Israel, and especially since the march on
20:54
Speaker 10: the Sydney Opera House just two days afterwards, the government
20:57
Speaker 10: has been the federal government particularly has been completely ignorant
21:01
Speaker 10: to the rising anti Semitism crisis in Australia and I
21:05
Speaker 10: commend Chris Mins for actually taking action to combat the
21:10
Speaker 10: rising anti Semitism in Australia and particularly in Sydney. However,
21:14
Speaker 10: we do have to look at how we got to
21:16
Speaker 10: this point, and we definitely need a federal Royal commission
21:19
Speaker 10: to actually figure out what occurred, how we got to
21:22
Speaker 10: this point, what national security failures there were, and the
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Speaker 10: rise and anti Semitism, and I commend Chris Mins on
21:28
Speaker 10: having a state Royal Commission in New South Wales to
21:30
Speaker 10: actually look into these things as well.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 3: Saxon, you've now joined calls to have that royal commission.
21:37
Speaker 3: What did you make of Anthony Albernezi's comments today where
21:40
Speaker 3: he said it's not within the national interest to have one.
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Speaker 10: I think it's a disgrace, to be honest, it's absolutely
21:48
Speaker 10: in the national interest to have a royal commission into
21:52
Speaker 10: the worst terrorist attack on Australian shaws. We need answers
21:56
Speaker 10: and we need action based on those answers. You can't
22:00
Speaker 10: actually create fundamental change, and fundamental change that is required
22:04
Speaker 10: unless you know what you were trying to fix, or
22:06
Speaker 10: even if you want to fix it. Now, I think
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Speaker 10: the Albanza government need to change track and just conduct
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Speaker 10: this royal commission because if they don't, because people will
22:17
Speaker 10: start to ask if you're not having a royal commission
22:19
Speaker 10: into this, maybe it's because you don't want to know
22:22
Speaker 10: what the answers are.
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Speaker 11: And actually you don't know.
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Speaker 10: You don't want to know what is going to be found,
22:27
Speaker 10: and I'd hate for that to be true. So the
22:29
Speaker 10: Albanza government must have this royal commission and they must
22:32
Speaker 10: investigate the events that led to this terrorist attack.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Saxon. Well, thank you so much for
22:39
Speaker 3: your time this evening. After the break, a former police
22:43
Speaker 3: chief backs families demands for a royal commission into the
22:47
Speaker 3: Bondai massacre, class gender quotas for the Commonwealth Legal Council.
22:56
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
22:57
Speaker 3: Joining me now in the studio is a former Speed
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Speaker 3: of the House and Bronwin. Bishop and Ronwin, thank you
23:03
Speaker 3: so much for coming in and speaking with me tonight.
23:06
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about an article that
23:08
Speaker 3: was in Today's Australian and it was Mick Kelty who
23:12
Speaker 3: led the AFP for eight years and as has he's
23:15
Speaker 3: come out and has backed families demand.
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Speaker 2: For royal commission.
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Speaker 3: But one thing that really stood out for me in
23:20
Speaker 3: that article was mister Kelty said that if law enforcement
23:23
Speaker 3: misunderstands the nature of the crime it is trying to prevent,
23:27
Speaker 3: it will fail to prevent the next one. What do
23:32
Speaker 3: you think he is looking into with that? And do
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Speaker 3: you think this is part of the reason why we
23:38
Speaker 3: really need a Royal Commission to really get an understanding
23:40
Speaker 3: and as much information as possible.
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Speaker 9: Yes, now he made the case of the need for
23:45
Speaker 9: the Royal Commission, and the fundamental point is the difference
23:49
Speaker 9: between what the Prime Minister, who's a sniveling coward, as
23:54
Speaker 9: as I'm concerned terrified of what might come out, is
23:58
Speaker 9: that with a Royal Commission you can coerce witnesses and
24:02
Speaker 9: get evidence and demand documents. You have much greater powers.
24:07
Speaker 9: But the inquiry that has been proposed by the Prime Minister.
24:11
Speaker 9: You invite some along politely and say would you mnd
24:14
Speaker 9: give me give us a little chat here it's just
24:18
Speaker 9: not no, and you come fross people to turn up,
24:21
Speaker 9: so it really is Albaneze is showing how fearful he
24:27
Speaker 9: is and he's terrified of losing those in the western seats.
24:31
Speaker 9: He never The real question to be answered is why
24:36
Speaker 9: since the attack on Israel by Hamas in October twenty three,
24:41
Speaker 9: Why since then has anti Semitism grown in this country?
24:46
Speaker 9: That is the fundamental question. It has grown, it has fested,
24:51
Speaker 9: and it's now the attempt to normalize it is what
24:54
Speaker 9: has occurred. Now we have people here who have been
24:58
Speaker 9: splendid first class Australian citizens for years terrified to go out.
25:03
Speaker 9: That is not my country, that is not what we
25:06
Speaker 9: deserve in this country. And I've said before that I
25:10
Speaker 9: said for more than twenty years in that parliament with
25:13
Speaker 9: Alban Easy and I said, nobody said then that he
25:17
Speaker 9: was a leader. Well he is no leader. He's got
25:21
Speaker 9: no courage to be a leader. He has to find
25:24
Speaker 9: have the Royal Commission to find out all the things
25:26
Speaker 9: that have gone wrong so that he can be addressed
25:29
Speaker 9: and dealt with. And Milkit Mike Kelty's article today was
25:36
Speaker 9: spot on. He really did spell it out.
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Speaker 3: It was definitely worth everyone at home to read it,
25:44
Speaker 3: because he definitely delved into the importance of why a
25:47
Speaker 3: Royal commission is required. But on the other side, chris
25:50
Speaker 3: Men's the new South Wales premiers really encourage people to
25:54
Speaker 3: get out and enjoy New Year's Eve, especially with the celebrations.
25:58
Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to what the premier had to say.
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Speaker 11: We can't let these people win.
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Speaker 6: We have to show defiance by going out and spending
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Speaker 6: time with family and friends over the New Year period.
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Speaker 3: Now what did you make of chris Min's performance so
26:17
Speaker 3: far in the aftermath of the terrorist attack? But also
26:20
Speaker 3: how important is it that we continue to live our
26:23
Speaker 3: lives and not let terror, As the premier said win.
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Speaker 9: He shows up the difference. He has admitted that they
26:33
Speaker 9: failed earlier. I mean there was no action taken on
26:37
Speaker 9: the Sydney Opera House for court when the police should
26:42
Speaker 9: have acted and didn't, and there was no action, were
26:45
Speaker 9: the wrong arguments were put to the court which allowed
26:48
Speaker 9: that harbor Bridge to be commandeered and taken over and
26:51
Speaker 9: disgraceful much But he's admitted he was lacking. But he's
26:57
Speaker 9: now taking leadership and saying if we will go ahead
27:01
Speaker 9: with the Royal Commission, admitting that he hopes he'll get
27:05
Speaker 9: cooperation from federal agencies but without the jurisdictional ability to
27:10
Speaker 9: do so. So he's been quite firm using long arms
27:15
Speaker 9: when it's necessary, and it is necessary in this time.
27:19
Speaker 9: I remember when I had to order that we used
27:21
Speaker 9: long arms in the Parliament when we were under threat.
27:25
Speaker 9: So I think that the difference that MINS is showing
27:31
Speaker 9: up alban easy to be is it's chalk and cheese.
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Speaker 3: Do you think it gets to a point though, where
27:37
Speaker 3: Albanesi sees what the Premier of New South Wales is
27:40
Speaker 3: doing with things like the action and calling for a
27:44
Speaker 3: state based Royal Commission would drive Albert to potentially act
27:47
Speaker 3: and enforce the Federal Royal Commission because he's seeing what's
27:51
Speaker 3: happening in New South Wales.
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Speaker 9: I like to think that was going to be the
27:53
Speaker 9: case in the beginning, because they've no doubt been doing
27:56
Speaker 9: a lot of polling. Because we suddenly saw Penny Warng here. No,
28:01
Speaker 9: it was an apology from her, it was a regret.
28:05
Speaker 9: That was an apology. She didn't personally apologize for anything,
28:09
Speaker 9: but you saw her, and you've seen a few others
28:11
Speaker 9: coming out, so it's biting. It's hurting.
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Speaker 2: I thought originally.
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Speaker 9: That he might cave, but I think he's fear of
28:19
Speaker 9: what might come out is much greater, and he thinks
28:23
Speaker 9: he can just last it out, because if you have
28:25
Speaker 9: a Royal Commission federally, you'll have people giving evidence the
28:29
Speaker 9: months upon months and the elections twenty eight months away.
28:33
Speaker 9: You could have a decision in there, you'd have to
28:35
Speaker 9: act on it, and there would be things coming out there.
28:38
Speaker 9: He would not want to come out. That is quite clear.
28:41
Speaker 9: That's why he's digging his heels in. And when I
28:43
Speaker 9: heard this dreadful sort of statement that somebody might say
28:49
Speaker 9: something that disagrees with somebody else, couldn't have that mean seriously.
28:54
Speaker 3: And you probably find as well that the Royal Commission
28:56
Speaker 3: the timing would be coming out closer to when the
28:58
Speaker 3: election's on, so that would be the headlines throughout that
29:01
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight campaign. One thing that the Premier did
29:03
Speaker 3: also say today you were mentioning about the long Arms
29:06
Speaker 3: is he did say that the level of security around Sydney,
29:10
Speaker 3: in particular on New Ye's Eve is really going to
29:11
Speaker 3: shock Sydney siders because they aren't used to seeing this.
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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what he had to say.
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Speaker 6: We need to have huge security available on the scene
29:21
Speaker 6: during New Years e celebrations, and yes, in many cases
29:24
Speaker 6: it'll be confronting for members of the community to see
29:27
Speaker 6: police with big firearms and machine guns, which aren't normally
29:31
Speaker 6: the case on Sydney streets. But I don't make any
29:34
Speaker 6: apology for that. We want people to be safe in
29:36
Speaker 6: our community, but we want them to live their lives.
29:40
Speaker 3: I actually think Sydney siders will probably be happy to
29:43
Speaker 3: see the beefed up security. What do you think, what
29:47
Speaker 3: are your thoughts if you see that level of security
29:49
Speaker 3: walking around the streets. I know I saw it at
29:51
Speaker 3: the cricket when I was at the Boxing Day test
29:53
Speaker 3: as recently, and I must say when I first thought,
29:55
Speaker 3: I thought, oh wow, it is when you first see it.
29:58
Speaker 3: But I think if everyone knows that's going to be
30:00
Speaker 3: there and expect me.
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Speaker 9: Well, I think the problem that Premier Min's has is
30:06
Speaker 9: this question of police being warned and indeed was the
30:11
Speaker 9: government warned three weeks beforehand. That is going to be
30:15
Speaker 9: a very difficult question, but it must be aired and
30:18
Speaker 9: at least he has the courage to address it.
30:21
Speaker 3: Brom and another topic that I'd like to get your
30:23
Speaker 3: thoughts on, which was in The Australian Today and I've
30:25
Speaker 3: mentioned it in my editorial and I also asked Nicole
30:28
Speaker 3: Flint about it.
30:29
Speaker 2: But it was Attorney General Michelle Rowland who's.
30:31
Speaker 3: Just quietly pushed through those changes to legal counsel that
30:36
Speaker 3: represents the Commonwealth, and I just wanted to get your
30:39
Speaker 3: thoughts on the timing. But it was more so just
30:42
Speaker 3: about the priorities are so wrong with this government. It
30:45
Speaker 3: seems as though it's all out of whack. They have
30:47
Speaker 3: their priorities completely wrong totally.
30:50
Speaker 9: I mean, it was any announcement they can get out
30:53
Speaker 9: there that might detract attention away from the focus for
30:57
Speaker 9: the need for a Royal Commission that has been given,
31:00
Speaker 9: but the principle of it is wrong. I mean, there
31:04
Speaker 9: are some very difficult cases that have to go to
31:08
Speaker 9: high courts, to the High Court and Federal Court, and
31:12
Speaker 9: you want your best counsel to be peering for you.
31:17
Speaker 9: And what this does is lower the pool of talent
31:25
Speaker 9: that they're entitled to pick from. And it's not only
31:30
Speaker 9: forty percent of brief issues, it's forty percent of the
31:33
Speaker 9: value of the brief fee. Now top councils, senior counsel
31:38
Speaker 9: are going to be charging out of a lot. How
31:40
Speaker 9: you can have forty percent of that fee. So it's
31:43
Speaker 9: a ridiculous thing. And then we go into gender. Never
31:46
Speaker 9: before if we had gender or race, or sexuality or
31:50
Speaker 9: anything concerned. For me, old fashioned, I always like best
31:56
Speaker 9: man for the job or best woman for the job.
32:00
Speaker 9: I can give you an example of how important it
32:02
Speaker 9: is to have the best people appearing from you. When
32:07
Speaker 9: I was agek minister, I had a home I had
32:10
Speaker 9: to close down because it was really bad, and I
32:16
Speaker 9: had legislation. I had to absolutely be accurately interpreting, and
32:22
Speaker 9: believe me, I did the weekend after weekend and I
32:26
Speaker 9: said to my stepsick, please find me someone outside the bubble.
32:32
Speaker 9: It's good at this and we've got to win. We
32:35
Speaker 9: had a our first time in court was he wanted
32:40
Speaker 9: to the owners of it, wanted to get a prevent
32:46
Speaker 9: us being able to close it. So we won that
32:49
Speaker 9: first round. After that, everybody knew I meant business and
32:54
Speaker 9: we just kept going. But he took me to court.
32:56
Speaker 9: He sued me, took me in the secretary of the
32:58
Speaker 9: Department of Court again and again and again. But because
33:01
Speaker 9: We've done our homework because we had a good brief,
33:04
Speaker 9: because we had good counsel. We won every time, every time,
33:08
Speaker 9: and that's got to be the way that when you
33:11
Speaker 9: are a minister and particularly Attorney general, pursuing the enforcement
33:17
Speaker 9: of the law is the way you have to go.
33:20
Speaker 9: And you can't say, oh, well, I don't want someone
33:23
Speaker 9: who won't do the work on the brief. I'll just
33:25
Speaker 9: have someone who meets my percentage criteria. It's just bad.
33:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, And here was me thinking that we started to
33:32
Speaker 3: move away from all of those DEI requirements.
33:36
Speaker 2: Roman.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening. I
33:38
Speaker 3: really appreciate you coming in great pleasure. Well coming up,
33:41
Speaker 3: the budget is now expected to remain in deficit until
33:45
Speaker 3: twenty thirty five thirty six.
33:47
Speaker 2: We'll look more into that.
33:48
Speaker 3: Plus, households are set to be hit with a two
33:50
Speaker 3: thousand dollars bill increase as the cost of living crisis deepens.
33:55
Speaker 3: How can labor possibly spin this?
34:08
Speaker 2: Welcome back?
34:09
Speaker 3: Treasurer Jim Chalmers recently delivered an update to the nation's finances,
34:14
Speaker 3: stating that the budget is now expected to remain in
34:16
Speaker 3: deficit until twenty thirty five thirty six. Reversing March's projection
34:22
Speaker 3: that it would be back and balance by then. The
34:24
Speaker 3: Treasurer's own spending policy decisions hit the budget by at
34:27
Speaker 3: least one point seven billion this financial year, and debt
34:31
Speaker 3: is expected to reach one point two trillion dollars within
34:34
Speaker 3: three years, which, let's not forget, essentially eighteen years ago
34:38
Speaker 3: this was at zero. Joining me now is Eminence Advisories
34:42
Speaker 3: Dmitri Berstein and Dimitri thank you so much for coming
34:46
Speaker 3: into the studio to talk to me about the budget
34:49
Speaker 3: and what's going on here.
34:51
Speaker 2: But I'd love to get your thoughts.
34:53
Speaker 3: How is Jim Charmers going to spin his way out
34:56
Speaker 3: of his own spending mess?
34:58
Speaker 8: Well, hi, Jamie, thanks for having me. How is he
35:00
Speaker 8: going to spin the same way governments have been doing
35:02
Speaker 8: it since the dawn of time. He will obfscate, he
35:05
Speaker 8: will spin, he'll dissemble, he'll miss direct. The problem is
35:09
Speaker 8: we must not forget this is not a problem just
35:13
Speaker 8: of Jim Chalmers making. He has a partner in profligacy
35:16
Speaker 8: in the Finance Minister Katie Gallagher, and together they are
35:21
Speaker 8: getting close to demonstrating the worst economic managers in Australian history.
35:26
Speaker 3: One of the elements that really stood out for me
35:29
Speaker 3: in the report is the spending as the percentage of GDP,
35:32
Speaker 3: which is now sitting at twenty six point nine percent
35:34
Speaker 3: this year, which is the highest and forty years outside
35:37
Speaker 3: of the pandemic. Is the spending growth the biggest concern
35:41
Speaker 3: for you in the budget update?
35:43
Speaker 8: Well, we have to also remember that there's spending off
35:46
Speaker 8: budget that is hidden through these special investment vehicles that
35:49
Speaker 8: the government maintains, So there's probably another hundred billion dollars
35:54
Speaker 8: over the forward estimates going through there. But to me,
35:57
Speaker 8: the biggest issue is, of course the spending. It's all connected,
36:00
Speaker 8: but it's the debt and we're going to hit one
36:04
Speaker 8: trillion very soon. But at the moment, we're spending over
36:08
Speaker 8: thirty billion dollars a year servicing the debt, and that
36:12
Speaker 8: is growing. That is the fastest growing item in the budget.
36:15
Speaker 8: And at the moment it's projected, and I'll believe it
36:18
Speaker 8: when I see it, it's only going to be ten
36:20
Speaker 8: percent a year. And if the economy is growing ten
36:22
Speaker 8: percent a year and your interest costs are growing at
36:25
Speaker 8: ten percent a year, the budget is just going to
36:28
Speaker 8: eat the economy and that's just unsustainable and it's just destructive.
36:32
Speaker 3: There was an article out today that said households are
36:35
Speaker 3: going to face paying a combined two thousand dollars extra
36:39
Speaker 3: a year for housing, electricity, insurance and food and this
36:43
Speaker 3: will be all all next year. And of course speculation
36:45
Speaker 3: all about interest rate rises and what needs to be
36:49
Speaker 3: done to curb the increases that we're seeing everywhere. Everywhere
36:53
Speaker 3: we look, everything's going up. What needs to be done
36:55
Speaker 3: to slow this down?
36:56
Speaker 8: Well, this is just a manifestation of the growing government.
37:00
Speaker 8: Government's getting bigger, and it's eating it's you know, it's
37:02
Speaker 8: eating more and more of the pie. This, you know,
37:05
Speaker 8: what we're seeing is inflation. Inflation is nothing more than
37:08
Speaker 8: a tax. It's a silent tax that no parliament ever
37:11
Speaker 8: considers the legislation, and it's just the product of you know,
37:15
Speaker 8: more and more, more and more spending. So what do
37:17
Speaker 8: we need to do? We need less We need less government.
37:19
Speaker 8: We need less spending. We need less taxing, we need
37:21
Speaker 8: less regulation. And unfortunately we haven't seen a government that's
37:26
Speaker 8: prepared to do that for quite a while.
37:29
Speaker 3: There was another forecast has come out and this one
37:33
Speaker 3: was about the tax concessions. Now this is swed by
37:37
Speaker 3: fifty billion in a single year. And when I saw that,
37:40
Speaker 3: the first thing that I thought was, surely we need
37:43
Speaker 3: to overhaul the nation's tax system, because right now ordinary
37:48
Speaker 3: workers are the ones that are going to be fixing.
37:51
Speaker 2: This federal budget whole. What do you think about.
37:54
Speaker 8: This, Well, before we get to tax reform, we need
37:57
Speaker 8: spending reform. But getting back to taxation, the Treasury's tax
38:02
Speaker 8: expenditure statement from where this data came from, is a
38:04
Speaker 8: ridiculous analysis. It basically says that, you know, not charging
38:08
Speaker 8: the maximum taxation is like a loss, a cost to
38:12
Speaker 8: the budget. It's like saying it's like me saying my
38:14
Speaker 8: not winning the lottery is a cost to my budget.
38:18
Speaker 8: You know, if you say, if you the preposition, the
38:21
Speaker 8: proposition is that the government essentially owns everything, and anything
38:25
Speaker 8: you're left to keep is an expenditure to the budget. Yes,
38:28
Speaker 8: there is a need for tax reform, but before we
38:31
Speaker 8: can have tax reform, we need spending reform. Hawk and
38:34
Speaker 8: Keating Before they did tax reform, they did spending reform.
38:37
Speaker 8: They got spending under control. Howard and Costello. Before they
38:40
Speaker 8: did the GST, they got spending reform. They got the
38:43
Speaker 8: spending under control because without spending control. All tax reform
38:48
Speaker 8: will do is just meet the increasing cost of government.
38:53
Speaker 3: There was some recent polling by sec Newgate, and this
38:57
Speaker 3: show that voters have just lost faith in both labor
39:00
Speaker 3: and the coalition's ability to actually solve these cost of
39:02
Speaker 3: living pressures. These numbers went from thirty percent losing faith
39:06
Speaker 3: compared to nineteen percent back in April.
39:08
Speaker 2: What do you make of those?
39:10
Speaker 3: It just shows that everyone is feeling as though no
39:13
Speaker 3: one has an answer of how to fix this crisis.
39:17
Speaker 8: One of my favorite writers in American long gone by
39:20
Speaker 8: the name of hl Menkin, and he once said, democracy
39:23
Speaker 8: is the theory that ordinary people know what they want
39:26
Speaker 8: and they will get it good and hard. We get
39:29
Speaker 8: the politicians we elect. You can't complain.
39:33
Speaker 11: When you vote for it.
39:34
Speaker 8: So if people want responsible government, smaller government, less spending,
39:40
Speaker 8: less inflation, you've got to vote for it. You've got
39:43
Speaker 8: to reward the candidates that offer you that and don't
39:46
Speaker 8: offer you electoral bribes. And that's the problem, you know,
39:50
Speaker 8: O You know the public, you know say they want
39:53
Speaker 8: one thing, but they vote for.
39:54
Speaker 11: The other thing.
39:55
Speaker 3: Well, Demitri, thank you so much for your time today
39:57
Speaker 3: and joining me in the studio.
39:58
Speaker 2: Thank you well.
40:00
Speaker 3: After the break, we'll look into today's meeting between Donald
40:03
Speaker 3: Trump and Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski.
40:05
Speaker 2: Plus how concerned.
40:07
Speaker 3: Should we be about the close relationship between North Korean
40:10
Speaker 3: leader Kim jongun.
40:11
Speaker 2: And Vladimir Putin. Welcome back.
40:18
Speaker 3: Joining me now is a former Foreign Affairs and Defense
40:21
Speaker 3: Committee Chair, Michael Danby. And Michael, thanks for joining me.
40:25
Speaker 3: I've got a lot to unpack with you this evening.
40:28
Speaker 3: You've called for a royal commission into the Bondai a
40:31
Speaker 3: terrorist attack, and now the families of the victims have
40:34
Speaker 3: called for one. Why won't the Prime Minister listen and
40:37
Speaker 3: go ahead and launch one.
40:40
Speaker 12: Traditionally, royal commissions have very wide ranging powers and they
40:44
Speaker 12: are certainly not controllable. Of course that depends to some
40:49
Speaker 12: extent on the judge and the terms of reference. But
40:52
Speaker 12: they can be very intrusive into emails, discussions between ministers,
40:57
Speaker 12: between ministers and agencies. So there's a very creditable public
41:03
Speaker 12: servant who is being asked to do this departmental inquiry,
41:09
Speaker 12: the former Director General Evasio and our ambassadors de Beijing,
41:14
Speaker 12: Dennis Richardson.
41:15
Speaker 6: But.
41:17
Speaker 12: He doesn't have the ability to compel people. Now, the
41:21
Speaker 12: State Royal Commission. It's less clear also that they would
41:24
Speaker 12: have the power to interview federal ministers or agencies. Probably
41:29
Speaker 12: Alba would have to give them the ability to do that.
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Speaker 12: But the nightmare for this socialist left government would be Softeironoff.
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Speaker 12: Remember that name, Jamie She He was the bloke who
41:44
Speaker 12: was appointed in the Act and went rogue on the
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Speaker 12: Act government and produce findings that.
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Speaker 11: Were completely out of kilter for them.
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Speaker 12: So you'd be worried that a Royal commissioner would look
42:02
Speaker 12: back at the last two years and find out that Albow,
42:06
Speaker 12: Burke and Wong did things or didn't do things that
42:10
Speaker 12: contributed to the disaster in Bondai.
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Speaker 3: Well, you've also warned of broader security risks which needed
42:16
Speaker 3: to be addressed. Are you disappointed that Federal Parliament wasn't
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Speaker 3: recalled to pass the Seagal report recommendations.
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Speaker 12: In the end, ideology catches up with itself. So the
42:33
Speaker 12: reason they don't want that is because they have a
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Speaker 12: profound view that some of her recommendations about the ABC,
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Speaker 12: about the media, about academia, about the cultural organizations, about
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Speaker 12: the immigration policy, they all feed into each other. That's
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Speaker 12: the Seagal Report and if they proceeded with it, Burke,
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Speaker 12: Wong and Elbow wouldn't be pleased with it. So they'll
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Speaker 12: do everything they can to fight considering that report.
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Speaker 11: But in the end, God forbid, Jeremy.
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Speaker 12: If there's another attack by Islamic extremists on Australia on
43:15
Speaker 12: the public won't be solved just by having policemen with
43:19
Speaker 12: long rifles this time to suppress them.
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Speaker 11: So events hard events in the end catch up.
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Speaker 12: With people despite their ideological predilections.
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Speaker 3: You're right, Michael, and we need information to make sure
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Speaker 3: that this doesn't happen again. Let's head overseas now and
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Speaker 3: i'd love to get your thoughts on what you think
43:38
Speaker 3: about the meeting today between Zelenski and Trump. I watched
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Speaker 3: the press conference when the two of them came out,
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Speaker 3: and I'm no body language expert, but I must say
43:47
Speaker 3: it looked like quite a friendly rapport between the two
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Speaker 3: and it almost felt as though a peace deal could
43:53
Speaker 3: be not too far away.
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Speaker 12: Well, very observant of view. It's the body language sometimes
44:00
Speaker 12: it tells you more than the actual words. The big
44:03
Speaker 12: benefit for those of us who support Ukraine is that
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Speaker 12: there was no walkout, there was no pushing of Zelensky
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Speaker 12: out of the White House. No one was shouting at
44:13
Speaker 12: each other, so just all being in the same room
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Speaker 12: speaking civilly is where in advance of where we were.
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Speaker 12: And it surprised me to hear that Donald Trump has
44:27
Speaker 12: agreed to go to Kiev and to speak to the Rada,
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Speaker 12: to the Ukrainian Parliament.
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Speaker 11: That is such a plus.
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Speaker 12: I believe if people go there on the ground and
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Speaker 12: see Ukraine is a democratic country in Europe, that it
44:41
Speaker 12: just wants to live a modern, open, democratic life like
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Speaker 12: the rest of the Europeans, and what's being done to
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Speaker 12: them every night by the Russians. Hopefully Putin will stop
44:54
Speaker 12: bombing Kiev night Trump actually speaks to the Rada. But
44:59
Speaker 12: isn't it credible that while these two were discussing at
45:03
Speaker 12: events at Mari Lago that affect the peace of Europe,
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Speaker 12: that Putin was bombing Ukraine with six hundred drones and
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Speaker 12: missiles all through the night, and the poor people there,
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Speaker 12: apartment buildings being blown up in Kiev, et cetera. I mean,
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Speaker 12: the man is a beast potent, he is.
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Speaker 3: And Ukraine they've just they've suffered terribly during this war.
45:26
Speaker 3: They've lost about twelve percent of their territory and a
45:29
Speaker 3: quarter of their people have been displaced with hundreds of
45:32
Speaker 3: thousands of casualties. Half their infrastructure is gone, and it
45:36
Speaker 3: is time for this war to end. But what in
45:38
Speaker 3: your mind, what are the sticking points to achieving peace.
45:43
Speaker 12: Well, to my amazement, the Ukrainians have agreed to some
45:47
Speaker 12: territorial concessions in giving up a little bit of the
45:51
Speaker 12: don Bus where they have their fortifications built, in order
45:54
Speaker 12: to get back some of the province of Zapparizia, where
45:57
Speaker 12: the huge nuclear power plant that is the biggest in
45:59
Speaker 12: your Europe is situated.
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Speaker 11: So I don't believe.
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Speaker 12: Putin will agree to this. So I think it's very
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Speaker 12: intelligent of Zelenski and his team to agree to far
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Speaker 12: reaching concessions, even beyond what I think the Ukrainian people
46:16
Speaker 12: would accept, because you'll expose Putin's determination to destroy a
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Speaker 12: potentially European country next to him. The thing that Putin
46:28
Speaker 12: doesn't want is Ukraine to become like Poland and grow
46:31
Speaker 12: by sixty percent since the end of communism, because that
46:34
Speaker 12: will be a real challenge to him in Russia. If
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Speaker 12: Ukraine was to prosper as it should without a war.
46:43
Speaker 12: What a challenge that would be to the terrible slave
46:46
Speaker 12: surf system that he runs in Russia.
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Speaker 2: I want to stick with overseas.
46:52
Speaker 3: And North Korean leader Kim Jong Wo s Vladimir putin
46:55
Speaker 3: an interesting news message sharing that the two countries alliance
46:59
Speaker 3: is formed by sharing blood, life and death. What do
47:03
Speaker 3: you make of their close bond.
47:06
Speaker 12: Well, it's quite sinister. It's Iran, China, North Korea, and Russia.
47:11
Speaker 12: They're the four authoritarian regimes that are trying to impose
47:16
Speaker 12: their will on the rest of the world. The North
47:18
Speaker 12: Koreans have provided some people say up to fifty percent
47:21
Speaker 12: of one hundred and fifty five millimeter artillery shells, which
47:25
Speaker 12: is the basic ammunition of artillery on the Ukrainian front,
47:31
Speaker 12: and they've sent thousands of North Korean elite soldiers to
47:39
Speaker 12: attack the Ukrainian people in their own country.
47:42
Speaker 11: So he means what he says.
47:46
Speaker 12: He's I know the Donald refers to him as the
47:52
Speaker 12: little rocket Man, but he's another very dangerous dictator. We're
47:56
Speaker 12: at a very cusp of history here and how the
48:01
Speaker 12: world reacts to resisting this group of four nations is
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Speaker 12: crucial to the peaceful future of the world.
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Speaker 2: And Michael just very quickly.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Trump keeps declaring that Putin is a good
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Speaker 3: friend of his, so you would think he might be
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Speaker 3: the man to be able to bring peace between Ukraine
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Speaker 3: and Russia.
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Speaker 12: It's excruciating to hear some of that talk. If he
48:24
Speaker 12: just puts sanctions, as eighty five members of the one
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Speaker 12: hundred members of the Senate in the United States wanted,
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Speaker 12: he could grind mister Putin into accepting some of the
48:33
Speaker 12: peace arrangements that are reasonably put forward by the Ukrainians.
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Speaker 3: Well, Michael, thank you so much for your time this evening. Well,
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Speaker 3: it is now time for the Bolt Report with Kel Richards.
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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for your time this evening.