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The Brave Spirit Of Scotland—Scottish Vaccine Injury Group With Ruth O’Rafferty · UK Column Radio

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Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview. My name is Debbie Evans
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and as many of you know, I'm a retired State registered nurse and today
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I am joined by another angel in human form, who, as well as
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having to live with vaccine injury, is also the founder of the Scottish COVID
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nineteen Vaccine Injury Group. And we've spoken to Charlotte many times at UKCV family,
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but what is going on north of the border, and so today I'm
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so grateful to Ruth Raffer who has agreed to join me. She is the
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founder of the group. Ruth, welcome to UK column. Thank you so
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much for agreeing to talk to us. Hello Adbbie, thanks for having me.
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It's great to be here today. Oh Ruth, what a story you've
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got. Before you tell me about the group, because I know you've got
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a lot of people in the group in Scotland, But before you tell me
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about the group, tell me a little bit about you and how you found
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yourself in this position. Tell me your story. I took my vaccines way
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back in twenty twenty one, Debbie, and became vaccine injured myself after my
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second astroseneica in June twenty twenty one, I started experiencing anaphylaxis. It was
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idiopathic anhalaxis, which meant there was no particular trigger. And then I started
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developing lots of neurological issues as well. So I mean I had sometimes I
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had go on and on and on and on, and everybody who's vaccine injured
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have heard them all before, but there was it culminated in the end with
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me sometimes barely being able to hold conversations. I couldn't process people's words,
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I couldn't form sentences at times. All of these things were intermittent, and
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sometimes I even couldn't walk properly. I was viewing off to the left.
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I was experiencing clean tremors, all those usual things, skin burning, loss
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of bladder control, lots of temperature control, and of course in all peppered
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with these extreme allergic responses I was having. I tried to get help on
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the NHS, and my GP was quite frankly flomax and didn't know what on
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earth to do with me or where to send me. And I ended up
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at the aniphol axis clinic and they basically told me that this couldn't possibly be
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the vaccine, and that I had to take a booster and that perhaps this
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had all started because of the general anxiety from the lockdowns, and that it
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basically somehow my fault. We hear this guy often in the group. This
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is sort of form of gas sighting. Because they can't explain what's happening to
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us, they try to blame us. Basically, I was told that I
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had this condition called mass cell activation syndrome, which is your immune system overreacting
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and basically creates all these different chemicals that are designed to alarm your body basically
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to tell you something's wrong. But there's no diagnosis or treatment for that on
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the NHS. So the Anaphylaxis Clinic to blood tests to prove that I didn't
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have allergies because that's what they treat, allergies, so that they could actually
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discharge me. So that was the end of my help from the NHS.
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And I'd already formed a group by this point because I'd found out about the
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Scottish Public Inquiry. I'd be part of the uk CV family and there in
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the UK Public Inquiry, and I was doing a wee Google search to see
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if I could find any news about what was going on there, and I
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accidentally stumbled across the fact that there was a Scottish public inquiry and thought,
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oh my goodness, we need to take part in this, and so that's
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why the Scottish group was formed for that reason, and we do have Corportisemant
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status in the Scottish inquiry and also in the UK inquiry as well. So
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that was a bit of a garbled story. But here I am. I
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never ever anticipated that I'd be doing this. So we have a support group
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through Facebook and we have social meetups and all the usual things to try and
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provide support because most of the people that join the group cannot get the help
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they need on the NHS. And so we're trying this, that and the
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next thing, and we're sharing ideas. We're scouring the internet for any up
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to dat and for or research that could help. And that's really what the
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groups there are. For a Debbie, you're talking about the group there,
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and we are going to come on and talk about the group in a greater
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depth because I'm going to be asking you how many you've got in the group
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as well. But I just want to come back to you for a minute,
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Ruth, because we've spoken for many hours before and you're always absolutely your
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priority is the group. But I just want our viewers and listeners to know
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of some of the symptoms that you've had and how this has impacted your life
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because you mentioned mast cell activation there and I just want to read out a
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little bit of information about mass cell activation so that people who are watching that
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haven't heard about it know about it. But also I want to tell people
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that the Scottish Vaccine Injury Group have got an amazing website and on that website
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is all the information that you're going to need, including mass cell activation.
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But just for people watching, it's a relatively unknown condition and it can affect
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people. You may have heard of POTS Postral tachycardias syndrome POTS. You may
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have heard of it now. This is caused by abnormal mast cells or abnormal
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release of chemicals contained within them. Tachycardia means a fast pulse, so someone
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might feel their heart beating very fast and it might be affected as they stand
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up or sit down. It's posturals, so it depends on how you have,
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how your body is positioned. So what are mast cells? For example,
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when mars cells help fight infection, but they're constantly interacting with the environments
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around you. So this is why that this is so important and it's made
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a huge difference to your life, Ruth. I know, because it can
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cause severe inflammatory reactions. And you've been telling me that even petrol, fumes,
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toothpaste, water, I mean pretty much anything can trigger symptoms of allergy.
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And what happens is that when these mass cells are activated, they release
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too much histamine, don't they and this creates symptoms. Now, not all
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masks cell activation is caused by pots. There are other causes too, but
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it is relatively unknown. And Ruth, you've had great difficulty having I mean
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even one doctor correct me if I'm wrong, please, But didn't somebody say,
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oh, you're going to have to try and calm your mass cells down?
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Yes, yes, that was the the anaphal Axis Clinics a consultant there,
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and it did came i A as an accusation because they're basically derby.
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There's there's no way you can calm you marsell down yourself. Just to clarify,
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the mass cell activation syndrome and postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome D both come under
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this umbrella of dysautonomia. Airline's DAN. This syndromes also comes under that,
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and the three can be often connected, so you can have all three or
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a combination of any of them. So yes, I was told that I
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needed to go in calm down my mass cells. But I knew by this
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point because a doctor who's a friend of mine who had long COVID, said
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to me she'd heard of this condition of mass cell activation syndrome. And so
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I'd gone away and done lots of research and joined a support group, and
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I knew that I needed certain medications. There's a whole sort of selection combination
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of different types of antihistamine that you need to deal with a histamine overload,
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but also you need mass cells stabilized to actually calm down your mass cells and
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hopefully eventually you be able to come off those medications. Some people are on
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them for life. So I knew I needed these medications, but I couldn't
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get them anywhere, and my GP didn't have the authority to be able to
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prescribe those. Only a consultant could. But the trouble is that there are
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no consultants on the NHS you specialize in this condition. So I was in
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a catch twenty two situation there I ended up thankfully, I had a number
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of a private doctor who specializes in long COVID vaccine injury and in masseell activation
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syndrome. He's part of the FLCCC group of doctors, a frontline critical care
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COVID critical care doctors and they are amazing. And I paid to see this
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consultant who diagnosed the mass cell activation syndrome and gave me the medications I needed,
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and then my GP was able to prescribe them because a consultant had authorized
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their prescribing. Does that make sense? But the fact is that had to
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go privately to do this, which is absolutely scandalous. So it really is
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my life's mission at the moment to make sure that mass cell activation syndrome and
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postural of the statict tacher cardia syndrome that they get put on the map,
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because there's no way that we should have to wait a year or two or
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three or paid to see a private consultant when a GP or even a prescribing
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nurse could probably deal with these because they're not hard to diagnose the way they
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diagnose mass cell activation syndrome in the UK at the moment is basically to put
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you on the medications and see if they work and if your history is pointing
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towards that. It's pretty obvious because you usually get a combination of symptoms from
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lots of different body systems because it affects you your gastric system, your bladder,
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It can affect your cardiovascular system and your skin particularly. You know,
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you get lots of itching and burning and inflammation, and you can get you
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know, all the usual signs of allergy like itchy eyes and runny nose and
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that sort of thing. So it's pretty obvious. Oh and it can affect
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your breathing. It affected my breathing quite badly. But the asthma clinics said,
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no, you don't have asthma, you have reactive asthma. So you
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know, if all these people knew about mas cell activation syndrome, it would
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make a huge difference. So anyway, that's enough about mas cell activation syndrome
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probably. But the thing is, I know that loads of people who join
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our group have this. They start to share their symptoms. I get to
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know them and I go, you've got mcasts, you've got MCASS. But
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then we're like, well, what do we do with you? Because you
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don't have the money to go provately send you to your GP and they won't
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have heard of it. Where can we send you, There's nowhere. So
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it's a huge issue that we're lobbying to try and get overturned and sorted.
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And of course people with massle activiation syndrome have been trying to do this for
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years, so we're just joining their fight, really, and I'm really glad
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you are because it's a topic that isn't talked about, Ruth, and you
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know, just just to reiterate for people, because I do think it's really
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important. The symptoms are they span all sorts of things, many many common
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symptoms. Nausea, vomiting, itching, like you've said, chills, ice
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swelling, breathlessness, headache, tingling, fatigue, and fibromyalgia. I see
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was mentioned there too, So people that are suffering from fib by myalgia,
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pain all over the body, wheezing, blocked nose, tachycardia, fast heartbeat,
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fast pulse, variable blood pressure, diarrhea, abdominal cramps, constipation.
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I mean, the list goes on endlessly, and you experienced symptoms and also
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antibiotics, we should say you know you can get allergies to that too,
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So we should also say, I think Ruth, that you suffered these symptoms
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very soon after you had an astrozenica injection and you now have to carry an
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EpiPen. Yes, yes, Debbie. After my first astroseneca in March twenty
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twenty one, to get allergic reactions to food like you know, beans and
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coren and things like that, things that I ate every day. And yeah,
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just sort of general mouth swelling and mouth burning, that sort of thing.
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I thought, this is odd. I didn't really think anything of it,
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you know, we were in the middle of COVID and thought, okay,
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it's just a bit of analogy. Don't make it fast, just get
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on with life. And then two weeks after my second I was in the
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kitchen preparing a stew for the family that you know I ate regularly, and
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I tasted the stew and it had paprika in it and olives. And then
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the next thing is that my throat started to swell and close. And my
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husband was at home, thankfully because he's a first daider, and by the
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time I got to him, I didn't have a voice left because my voice
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went That's was a usual sign for me. That I was about to go
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into anaphylaxis and my voice would go first. And he managed to get me
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to take an antihistamine, which is amazing, because my swallowing was being affected
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to I was choking, and he put me in the car and rushed me
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off to the hospital. It's just ten minutes away, thankfully. But I
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mean during that time my breathing and my throat didn't close completely and it wasn't
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a full anaphylaxis, thankfully. The antihistamine did kick in very quickly. But
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chest pain that I was experiencing, the faintness, these were all normal signs
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for me. So after that, as you said, I started to react
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to anything and everything, and for a long time, for a few weeks,
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all I could really eat was white rice, apples and milk because I'd
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worked out that there were things that I didn't actually react to, and from
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there I had to gradually introduce things a bit at a time to see what
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I could actually eat or drink. And you do that over a period of
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days. You just try tiny little bits and then increase how much you eat
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and drink and see if you react or not. But I couldn't really cross
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the door because of fumes or people's after shave or perfume or air conditioners.
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You'll read diffusers anything with chemicals. I couldn't even use face cream moisturizer for
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a while. When I worked out, I could eat olive oil. I
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used olive oil to moisturize my skin. So it was quite a journey.
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So it was wonderful to find that doctor and get some treatment because it wasn't
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improving by itself. But yeah, as you said on our website, I've
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put a page just dedicated to mass activation syndrome with links to lots of different
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websites. And there's low histamine foodless because of course food has histamine in it
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as well, and different foods have different levels of histamine. So I now
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I'm on a histamine free or a low histamine diet, and I can't even
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yet eat foods with high histamine levels of tomatoes, for example. But you
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can have a very rounded diet, so I can eat fruit and vegetables and
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meat and everything. But there's certain type you can eat and certain types you
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can't, so you just have to familiarize yourself with the lists. So it
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was a nightmare. I did feel like my whole world was ending. My
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husband actually ended up buying me this Oculus Quest headset so that I could go
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to the beach every day if I wanted to, because the beach is my
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safe place, and I used to you know, I would be reacting very
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badly to things going on. I just want to be on the beach.
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So he got me a headset and I'm sitting. I'd be on the beach
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as often as I wanted. So it's a horrible condition, and I know
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there's people out there who have it. You don't know what it is,
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and they're going to see lots of different doctors, lots of different specialties,
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and they're all treating that part of the body. So the dermatologists, dermatologists
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would be treating the itching skin, and the gastro guy I'll be treating what
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they think might be irritable bowel, but it's actually massive activation syndrome under a
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lot of it. And if they could just treat the cause, then that
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would be the answer, the key for a lot of people. I think
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the information that you're giving today, Ruth is absolutely vital, and I know
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that a lot of people will be extremely interested and hopefully will go straight to
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your website and have a look, because you know, after all that you've
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described, the doctors are still telling you have another jap. I mean,
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you know it's not oh no, no, no, this is a serious
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adverse reaction. You mustn't have any more. No, they were trying to
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tell you to get more. And I know now, I know that you
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are absolutely desperate to the group, and I promise you we will talk about
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the group because I want to ask you number one two questions really in one
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question? Number one, how many members do you have and what kind of
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symptoms are your members experiencing? Ruth A Debbie, We have roughly six hundred
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and fifty members. It's hard to tell exactly because we have some people who
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join us in the Facebook group. So there's six hundred in the Facebook group
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now, and we have others that have joined us in other ways because they
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don't do Facebook. So around six hundred and fifty. And what kind of
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symptoms they have, Well, there's a common theme. As we all know,
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the vaccines can cause myocarditis and blood clotting issues which lead to strokes and
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heart attacks and cardiomyopathy. So we have a lot of people with these conditions.
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As well as people with dysautonomia, so that could be the postero orthostatic
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tachycardia syndrome or MCASS, and a lot of neurological issues as well. Almost
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all of us have neurological issues to some degree. Now that could be caused
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by massive activation syndrome, but it may be caused by brain inflammation or other
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neurological issues. That we have people who've been diagnosed with multiple sclerosis and motor
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neuron disease, and then there's people with eyesight tissues as well. You know,
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me migrains with aura and things like that. So there's quite a variety.
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But the issue is that this spike protein gets everywhere and it causes so
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many issues. But there's there's websites that list thousands of pure reviewed studies now
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linking the vaccine to conditions to do with every part of the body. So
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you know, I remember when the first person joined us who said that they
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had sudden onset rheumatoid arthritis, and I was slightly skeptical because I thought,
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well, may we heard of that one before, But before long we had
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loads and these these symptoms you know, happened immediately after the vaccine, but
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it took people quite a while to join the dots. So we still have
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people who have been unaware that it was the vaccine that caused their issues,
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and then they hear from Mars and they suddenly join the dots. Or we
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also have people who knew they were vaccine injured for up to three years now
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but thought there were only one. I know, when I first realized that
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it was definitely the vaccine. In my case, it took me six months
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to find somebody else who was vaccine injured because there's so much censorship on social
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media and that person was in America. And then it took me another three
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months to find the UKCV family group. So that was nine months for me,
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six of those on my own, thinking I was the only one.
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And so many people share the same story. When they join us, they
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say, I thought I was the only one, And they have this joy
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of finding other people that can understand where they're coming from, because a lot
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of people just don't get it, you know. I think anybody with chronic
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illness really needs other people with the same illness to identify with and to foreign
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friendships with a vaccine damage, particularly so because there's so much stigma surrounding the
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vaccines. I think it's incredibly important. In fact, I think it's vital.
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It's life saving the work that you're doing, Ruth, because people need
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to talk to one another. But more than that, I think that the
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common theme I see running through those with vaccine injuries, no matter where they
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are in the world, is the difficulty and the frustration that they're not being
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listened to and they're not being believed. And so many of your conditions and
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your physical symptoms, I mean, you know, let's talk anaphyal axis.
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To be told that this is brought on by anxiety, you know, this
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is what we're hearing. More and more so the fact that your groups are
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there, I know, are saving lives because talking to other people that are
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going through the AIM is just incredibly, incredibly reassuring. And I just want
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everyone to know that the links to Ruth's website and the group's website and the
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donate page which will come onto a bit later, are all going to be
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in the article beneath this interview. Ruth. I've heard from many people,
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and we hear it all the time long COVID Long COVID, and I've spoken
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to many experts, including Professor Chris Flowers who has come up with the term
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spike protein disease. And I want to ask you with your members, what
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is the difference if there is a difference between long covid and I say that
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in inverted comps vaccineries. It's quite a controversial question and different people have views.
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We do have medics in our group who had post viral or long covid
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symptoms before they had a vaccine and then recovered, and then went and got
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vaccine and got vaccine injured. I think that spike protein, wherever it comes
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from, is such a nasty, nasty thing. And we know, don't
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we This research that shows that it crosses the blood vein barrier, that the
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the mRNA vaccines didn't stay in the arm, the lipid nanoparticles traveled throughout the
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body. So we some of us feel like we're little spike protein producing factories.
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And in fact, an Italian research study that was conducted months and months
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and it was about a year ago, found that spike protein was still persisting
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in the bloodstream six months after the vaccine in some vaccine candidates. So that
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research was stopped through to lack of funding. So we don't know how long
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people still have spike protein in their blood, and of course your blood goes
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everywhere, doesn't it. So this spike protein is shredding vascular systems, it's
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causing inflammation, it's doing all sorts, causing all sorts of disease. So
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what's the difference between long COVID and vaccine injury. I think that we won't
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know until there's more research, but we certainly know that spike persistence in vaccine
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injury is a big deal. Until they test people to find out how long
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this spike stays in the bloodstream in long COVID and in vaccine injury, we
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don't know, and how many people have been told that they have long COVID
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when they have a vaccine injury. And the thing is, even the clinical
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trials were unblinded, weren't they, And people were then given and the vaccine
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very quickly, So we still don't even have any long term data on the
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comparison between the people who had the vaccine and people who didn't, So it's
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all very complicated. The point that you've brought up, which is extremely valid,
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is that until we have the data, until we have the investigation,
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until we have a trial. Until we have results, we are never going
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to know, are we whether these long COVID cases are actually masking vaccine injuries
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And that's where we need an investigation. And again, you know, until
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we eliminate that, we have to we have to still have that on the
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table, right. I think the big difference between long COVID and vaccine injury
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is there's a huge stigma associated with vaccine injury that there isn't with long COVID.
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You know, we had this whole culture built up, this culture of
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fear that COVID was the thing that was going to kill everyone and we were
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going to kill our grannies and we had to have the vaccine. The vaccine
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was going to save everyone. You know. We had Nicolas Sturgeon's in the
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Scottish Parliament saying that anyone who refused the vaccine was not only irresponsible but selfish,
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and we had Tony Blair saying the vaccine was the only way we were
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going to get out of lockdown. So all this fear was built up with
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the daily deaths from COVID and the amount of people dying from COVID being announced
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over and over every day, every day, and the vaccines were going to
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save us all. And so of course a minute you say that you think
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that your vaccine injured, well, it's like you've sworn at somebody. It's
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like you've blasphemed. And many of us faced extreme disbelief from friends, and
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some people have lost their friendships. Some people have even lost their life partners
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because of this. It's a big thing. It's a huge stigma. So
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COVID is awful, and the symptoms that people who say they have long COVID
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suffer often overlap with the symptoms that people with vaccine injury suffer. And as
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you said, Debbie, we don't know how long they're going to last.
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We don't know how to treat them. We need research, and we don't
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know how many people are being told by medics that they have long COVID when
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they have vaccine injury, and some vaccine injured even don't mention the vaccine.
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They just allow the doctors to go ahead and think it's long COVID because it's
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the only way they're going to get treatment. We've had people turned away from
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long COVID specialists who were going to give people the treatment that they needed,
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but they've been told, no, you don't have long COVID, therefore we
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can't treat you. Wow. So what you're saying then and is basically,
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sh don't mention the vaccine, even if in your case that you knew it
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was the vaccine because you had such a rapid effect after that injection, and
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what else had changed in your life, nothing apart from that. So you
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are being censored. And we've heard this as well from UKCV family and from
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Charlotte where the vaccine injured are scared. They're scared to speak up and they're
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having to what's the words I'm looking for that could pause a humor. They're
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doctors to go along with whatever their doctors are saying, just in order to
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get some form of relief. And so the fact that you're all being censored,
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you're being you're scared. You mustn't mention vaccine injury, otherwise you might
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get nothing. You might just get a prescription for an antidepressant or a referral
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to the medicine. Perhaps this is the kind of life that you and those
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that are vaccine injured are actually living and coming on to all of your members.
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And you know, given all of this that you're going through, Ruth,
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what problems I mean, as if those weren't bad enough, but what
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problems and hurdles are your members finding when they're trying to to get help and
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trying to get some treatment. Well, as I said Debbie, often they
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first of all, they have to make the decision are they going to mention
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the vaccine or not? When they go to see specialists. And often this
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is a question we see on the group a lot a lot of people knew
30:37
new members saying I've got an appointment with a neurologist, I've waited two years,
30:41
shall I mention the vaccine or not? And our advice is actually maybe
30:48
at the start, don't just see if they ask the questions. See if
30:52
they ask you when did this start? See if they ask you was there
30:56
any changes in your life when they started? And try and just feel feel
31:03
things, as you know, just go with you've got. It's awful,
31:07
absolutely awful, because you know, the people are made to feel shame for
31:12
being vaccine injured. You know, just feel shame because you've gone out and
31:17
done the right thing and you end up with your life turned upside down.
31:19
You can't look after your children, and you can't work, and in fact,
31:22
sometimes you can't even get out of your bed. You know, it
31:26
is appalling. And the fact is that doctors should be expecting this. This
31:32
is a novel vaccine rolled out very quickly and a massive scale. Every every
31:38
medication has side effects, and these ones particularly so because they are new technology.
31:45
I mean mRNA and back to viral vaccines have never been used in this
31:51
kind of application or on this kind of scale. And we had no idea
31:56
what it was we were taking. We thought it was standard old fat vaccines,
32:00
you know, a bit of dead virus put into your bloodstream. We
32:02
had no idea. And the doctors also, do they have any idea of
32:07
any of them actually read up about this, I don't know. So we
32:14
get some doctors who are actually very sympathetic and will actually even go so far
32:20
as to write it in our medical notes, but they're very far few and
32:24
far between, because most doctors who will acknowledge it's the vaccine won't write it
32:30
down because they're scared to, and a lot of them will just say,
32:35
don't be ridiculous, it can't be the vaccine. And you find that the
32:37
level of care and your credibility suddenly undermined with them, and the way they
32:44
treat you changes. It's really disgusting, to be honest. We had one
32:49
group member whose GP was very on board the fact that the vaccine was causing
32:53
all our issues one week, and then when she went back the following week
32:58
for her follow up a point, he had changed completely and in fact he
33:02
said to her that if she didn't stop talking about the vaccines, that you'd
33:06
have he struck off the NHS, which isn't even something you can do.
33:09
So we have to wonder what kind of message has been sent out to him
33:15
in between times as he shared what's happened with his colleagues, or did a
33:19
letter come out. We don't know. So when you're ill and already suffering
33:24
so much trauma and so much stress, the last thing you need is to
33:30
feel like you can't be honest with your doctor. Well, I've made quite
33:35
a few notes. There's quite a lot to unpack their ruth and I think
33:40
you did what the government told you to do. You trusted the government,
33:45
you trusted the science, You followed the science. You did what you were
33:50
told to do, and somebody's saying you're going to be struck off the nha,
34:00
Yes, I mean, you know, I had to let that sink
34:01
in for a minute because that is fear inducing for many people. For others,
34:08
they would probably be very happy to be struck off the NHS. Sadly,
34:14
it's not possible to opt out or be struck off the NHS. So
34:16
if anybody else out there is what is worrying now that they could end up
34:22
abandoned and struck off. There is no way of striking you off the NHS.
34:27
Once you're in the NHS. I'm afraid there is no mechanism to opt
34:31
out. So we are all at the behest of the NHS. Should anything
34:37
happen to us while we're outside, we'll get scooped up by the NHS.
34:40
So that is an absolutely despicable thing to say. You asked about doctors,
34:47
and why didn't what you know? Surely doctors know. I wrote a letter
34:52
to the Royal College of General Practitioners to ask exactly that question, because that
34:58
comes down to informed consent, isn't it. And of course nobody got a
35:01
patient information leaflet proprietagen and you didn't get a list of ingredients after the injection
35:09
either. So I wrote to the Royal College of General Practitioners to ask gents
35:15
were of the why you know, if doctors knew the ingredients, why weren't
35:19
they telling you? And also why don't talking to patients of serious adverse reactions?
35:27
And the response I received was quite shocking actually from the presidents of the
35:32
RCGP, and he said doctors didn't know the ingredients of the injection, and
35:39
they also weren't informed of the adverse reactions, so they couldn't have informed you
35:45
about anything, which begs the question of why did they give something when they
35:51
didn't know what they were giving. But that's for perhaps another time. I
35:55
want to get onto a little bit more positive, little bit more of a
36:00
positive frame now in that tell us what you're doing and how you've got the
36:06
word out, because the word is out about your group and more and more
36:09
people sadly are joining. But in another way, I'm really really happy that
36:15
they're finding you and they're finding other people that they can speak to. But
36:20
what's the group doing at the moment. How are you spreading the word?
36:23
Well, there's lots of different ways. We've got leaflets, We've got people
36:28
giving out leaflets on our behalf wonderful people who aren't even vaccine injured, which
36:32
is just great. Last year we had a rally John what organized that.
36:37
It was fantastic in the fact we had people who heard us. And there's
36:43
one particular woman who is in a railway station on our way home. It
36:46
was their first ever weekend away from home. She had a friend with her.
36:51
She was on her crutches and she heard she heard us from the railway
36:57
station and came and mister t and actually but joined the group. So we're
37:04
trying everywhere we can, through social media, through interviews like this. You
37:08
know, we're campaigning and lobbying and ps and MSPs, just any anyway you'd
37:16
expect, Debbie. We're trying it, but we are finding the censorship difficult.
37:22
It is we do. We can get the word. We can spread
37:25
the word, for example through Twitter. The kind of people who follow us
37:30
are the kind of people who support us, so we're not actually reaching people
37:34
who are outside of our little bubble. So it's really difficult to break through.
37:39
But word of mouth is the most powerful thing. You know, friends
37:44
of friends and that's kind of thing. Yeah, but the censorship is,
37:50
as you say, is unbelievable. Even our website was blocked by an organization
37:55
called Whalebone. I changed internet provide and for some reason couldn't access our website
38:02
anymore. Spent a whole day with our website hosting service, and they did
38:07
all the checks to make sure there was no malware, there was no spammers
38:12
or phishing people trying to hook onto our website. Everything was clean, It
38:16
was squeaky clean. And it turned out it was our internet provider used this
38:21
organization called Whalebone, and they basically said this warning came up every time I
38:27
tried to get into our website, saying that it was going to steal my
38:30
personal information and it was a dangerous website with misinformation in it. Oh great,
38:38
So I had to I took a week to try and get that one
38:42
sorted out. Honestly, it's unbelievable, the word of mouth, you know,
38:49
family members, friends of friends, that kind of thing. And Ruth,
38:53
I have to tell everybody that we had a long conversation, as I've
38:58
said before, and I was quite shocked to realize that up until now,
39:02
you know, and we're three years down the line. Up until now,
39:07
you've been paying out for all of this yourself, because there are expenses,
39:12
right, you know, you're printing flyers, you're spending a lot of time,
39:16
you're sending letters, you're producing petitions, you're using transport to go to
39:23
all sorts of meetings. And we'll come onto the Scottish Inquiry at the moment.
39:29
And you never had a donate page or were fundraising in any way,
39:32
and I'm very glad to see that just in the last couple of days you've
39:37
put a donate page up to help you with the running the everyday expenses of
39:43
leaflets and things. And we're going to put that link up on the page
39:47
as well, and if anybody would like to donate then I know it will
39:52
be going to a very good cause. Let's talk though about something a little
39:59
bit. It sadder in that in your group also, like the group in
40:06
England and Whales, you have a bereaved group as well, and we mustn't
40:12
forget the people that have been bereaved. Ruth, can you tell us,
40:16
can you give us any updates on how people are up there and how many
40:22
people you're finding now joining the group because of bereavement. Yeah, maybe it's
40:28
it's I'm always really really moved by the vaccine injuries stories, particularly the young
40:35
people in their twenties. You can't, you can't live a normal life anymore.
40:40
But the brief stories are always the ones that end up, you know,
40:45
moving me to tears because they are so so tragic, and yeah,
40:51
so a percentage wise, we don't have a large percentage of believe people.
40:55
I actually need to look at the statistics and work out precise how many,
41:00
but maybe thirty percent thirty percent, And I think they're very brave joining our
41:07
group actually, because the majority are vaccine injured. The stories DEBI are so
41:13
so so traumatic. If people who've died horribly at home, some are in
41:22
the early days during lockdown, and even some more recently. And I mean
41:25
somebody sent me a message about somebody who joined the group and their family member
41:32
died at home in the house with their children there, you know, from
41:37
horrible blood clots and hemorrhaging, and it's just, you know, a lot
41:45
of people brieve. People I honestly think don't need to be have been believed.
41:49
If if vaccine injury was expected, and if people knew about all the
41:53
side effects from the vaccines and were looking for them, those desks could have
41:58
been prevented. And we have people in the group whose elderly relatives died at
42:02
home because they were too scared because it was during lockdown and they'd had their
42:07
vaccine and they were reacting, you know, they were paralyzed, or they
42:10
were having chest pain and they were too scared to go to a and E
42:15
or or to bring a doctor. And they were being brave because you know,
42:19
they're doing their bit, a bit like during the Second World War,
42:21
you know, dig for Britain, do your bit. You know, I'm
42:23
going to be brave, I'm going to stay at home. I'm not going
42:25
to burden the NHS. And they died at home. Just horrible and and
42:31
the thing that I really feel for these people is that they can't move on.
42:37
The Scottish Bereave Group gave testimony in the Scottish Public Inquiry and they said
42:43
people who lost relatives to COVID during the lockdown, it was it was a
42:49
bit like people who've lost relatives to murder or violent death, that there was
42:55
there was this additional trauma that had been added and this was all discovered through
43:00
research. There's research, studies done and I think about the people who've lost
43:05
their loved ones to the vaccine, and I think the same absolutely applies to
43:08
them because they cannot move on, They can't get closure, because they can't
43:13
get recognition it was a vaccine that killed their loved one and they know it
43:17
was and they face the same stigma that we do when they say that they
43:22
think it's a vaccine, so they can't talk to anyone about it, They
43:30
can't offload, they can't grieve, and we need closure for these people.
43:35
It's really important. Well, I'm just so glad that they've got your hands
43:40
to hold because without you, and without groups like yours, I guess you'd
43:47
all be forgotten, because I believe that the numbers of vaccine injuries are very
43:53
much higher than we even dare to think about. And in England, of
44:04
course we're having the COVID inquiry Baroness Hallett, which is going to go on
44:09
for I don't know how many years, probably another four or fires. We've
44:15
been told that it's going to be put on hold at the Vaccine Injured module
44:21
because the English inquiry goes in modules. That's been put on hold. But
44:28
of course north of the border, Ruth, you've got your own Scottish COVID
44:34
and you have you've really fought fought hard to become core participants in the in
44:43
the inquiry. So for people that aren't aware of what's going on in Scotland
44:47
and aren't aware of the differences in the systems, give us a little bit
44:52
of background and how you're involved with the Scottish COVID inquiry. Well, the
45:00
two inquiries are running in parallel and the idea is that they don't overlap.
45:07
So the Scottish inquiries looking at anything that has devolved, for example, the
45:12
healthcare provision or the social care provision here in Scotland, on education in Scotland
45:17
and decision making that the Scottish government have made, and the English or the
45:22
UK inquiries going to look at issues that were centralized like regulation, vaccine safety
45:32
and they'll be looking at healthcare provision in England. So the Scottish Inquiry is
45:37
doing things slightly differently because they're instead of just going through each module one at
45:44
a time, each subject matter, one at a time, they're doing it
45:47
in layers. So they've got four main areas that they're covering. I can't
45:52
remember what they are. I mean, I know there's health and social care,
45:57
there's education, there's business, and I can't what the other one was
46:00
to be honest them. Sorry, but they're going to first of all,
46:04
look at how all of these areas were impacted by decisions that were made.
46:10
Then they're going to look at how the decisions that were made were actually rolled
46:15
out. Then they're going to look at the decisions themselves. So they're moving
46:20
backwards because they decided that they needed to see how all those decisions impacted real
46:25
people to give context, then to look at how they were rolled out and
46:30
why they were made. So they're moving backwards where so they'll be doing that
46:37
for health and social care. First of all, they're looking at impact for
46:40
health and social care, then they're looking at impact for education, then they're
46:44
looking at impact for business. Then they're going to look at how the decisions
46:49
were rolled out for health and social care, for education, business, and
46:53
then they're going to look at the actual decisions that were made for health and
46:59
social care and business and education. But that makes sense. So this is
47:04
going to go on for quite some time as well. But I'm actually so
47:07
far really encouraged by the openness of the Scottish inquiry. They're really taking their
47:15
time to listen to people, they're not limiting people in what they can share.
47:21
They're not censoring what's said, and some of the stuff is actually very
47:25
shocking. And what we're hearing about deaths and care homes at the moment,
47:30
about medazela and deaths, about how everybody in care homes were labeled as having
47:36
COVID when they didn't. They're just you know, any sickness that were just
47:40
put down as COVID. There there's lots of things coming out in the inquiry,
47:45
so I'm very hopeful that we'll have a good hearing in the Scottish inquiry.
47:52
The UK Inquiry are the ones that are going to be looking at the
47:54
safety of the vaccines. We're not discussing that in the Scottish Inquiry. We're
48:00
just looking at the healthcare that we've received. In your dreams, if you
48:05
were given a wish, what would you wish to come out of the Scottish
48:10
Inquiry? So so, so much, so much. I mean, we
48:15
have a list of things that we desperately as a group want to see happen.
48:21
For example, in the future, if this ever happens again, we
48:25
can't have a situation where post mortems aren't conducted, where there are no fatal
48:30
accident inquiries, the amount of people that have probably died from these vaccines and
48:36
there's been no acknowledgment of it. Their deaths were just brushed under the carpet.
48:42
That's one example. We've discussed MCAST mass and activation syndrome and the lack
48:49
of awareness. We need this to be recognized and treated on the NHS urgently,
48:55
so urgently. In America they reckon seventeen percent of the population have MCS
49:01
and it's why they treated there. So if that is translated to our population,
49:07
how many people are sick and struggling and just not getting the treatment they
49:10
need. That's something else we want to come out. The fact that doctors
49:15
have been so afraid to acknowledge vaccine injury. That's something we want to come
49:22
out, and I've written a whole list. Let me have a look.
49:30
Oh, yes, the big one that the regulatory process be looked at.
49:36
There's been so many issues in Debbie. I know you've spoken about this and
49:39
so many of your programs, but why why were these regulated so quickly?
49:47
Why why weren't we told that they were still in clinical trials when we took
49:52
them. And then there's a whole issue with the visor. What they call
49:55
the Phiser switch and bait, where we've discovered the actual Fizier vaccine that was
50:05
used in the clinical trials. It's not the same as the one that was
50:08
mass manufactured, and the MHR knew that, and they still haven't seen the
50:14
results from the clinical trials of the individual participants who were given the second process
50:21
manufacturing process. They've admitted to that we've seen it in a freedom of information.
50:25
Why is that not in mainstream media? Why isn't that the BBC They
50:30
say it's the same product, it's made in a completely different way. So
50:35
this regulatory process has to be looked at. The MHRA get eighty six percent
50:39
of their funding from big pharma. So the regulators who are the gatekeepers who
50:46
are protecting us get their funding from the very people that they're supposed to be
50:51
regulating. There's something wrong there, so it really needs to look at.
50:54
And everybody's affected by this, not just vaccine injured, every medicine, Every
51:01
vaccine goes to those gatekeepers, and this really needs looked at. So this
51:06
is something that we strongly, as you can see by my wording and my
51:09
expression, strongly want looked at in this inquiry and the safety of the vaccines
51:15
as well, Ruth, you are after my own heart. You really are,
51:22
because when you say those letters MHRA, I feel every single hair just
51:34
on end. And you're absolutely right. They're not a regulator. It's a
51:40
revolving door enabler. They enable the pharmaceutical big farmer to supply you with what
51:52
you've had. They're enablers and they say they're enablers. But we won't get
51:55
onto the MHRA because, as you well know, the column has been We've
52:01
had our foot on the accelerator with the MHRA for three years now and I've
52:09
attended every single board meeting and Dame June Rain and Dr Allison Cave know exactly
52:16
who UK Column are and we won't ever stop. I can feel I know
52:23
how you feel. I really do, Ruth, because you're absolutely right.
52:27
And as for the PFISA, the bait and switch and the process two,
52:34
if anybody wants to know a little bit more about that, then we have
52:37
done an in depth interview with Professor Chris Flowers. It's on the website.
52:43
It's called a Bunch of Flowers for PFISA, where he tells you all about
52:49
the Process one and Process too, which is exactly what Ruth has just been
52:52
mentioning. So my final question to you, Ruth, before we go to
52:59
a little bit of video, which will come to in a minute, but
53:01
my final question to you is what can the public do? People are sitting
53:07
watching this now, many in Scotland. What can they do and what would
53:12
you like them to do? Well so much. First of all, I
53:15
want to say thank you to everyone who's supported us in the past too.
53:21
There's people who never took these vaccines. They knew what we didn't know,
53:25
and they've not pointed a finger as they've supported us. And I'm so so
53:30
grateful to you. You said earlier, Actually, Debbie about the money,
53:35
we actually were given some money at a rally. Most of it, all
53:39
of it, the largest proportion of it went to yours treatment for vaccine injured
53:45
people. That we did use a small amount of it for leaflets, so
53:49
we did have money for those. So what can you do? There's lots
53:53
of things you can do. You can keep pressurizing new MPs and MMS piece
53:58
just like we are about the MHR about the regulatory process, because this affects
54:02
you. We do have a petition that we submitted to the Scottish Parliament for
54:08
them to recognize and treat vaccine injury. That was submitted by one of our
54:15
group members, Billy McQueen. Now I've put a link to that on the
54:19
front page of our website. If you could please sign that, that would
54:22
be wonderful. If you can spare some money, that would be fantastic.
54:28
I have not set a high target for our just giving because our admin costs
54:32
aren't that high, but it would be good to have some money to pay
54:35
for our website because, as Debbie said, I've been paying for that myself,
54:38
but you know other group members have paid for things themselves too. Any
54:45
money that we get over and above what we need for ADMIN will go towards
54:49
a charity that we're setting up to pay for treatments for the vaccine injured.
54:53
You know, we find the things that work for us are the therapies that
54:58
we can't get on the NHS to things like hyperbaric oxygen treatment and PEM and
55:04
infra red and near red light therapy. All these things cost a lot of
55:07
money, so we want to have our own bank of these that group members
55:13
can have access to. Yes, sign our petition, donate a smaller money
55:19
keep writing to your MPs and keep lobbying for research for us in to vaccine
55:24
injury. Please. Until we have the research, we don't really know what
55:29
treatments will work and what won't. We need to know if we still have
55:32
high levels of SPIE routine and most of all, we need research to validate
55:37
the treatments that doctors will give. We've had, you know, we've heard
55:40
of somebody who was turned away from treatment by a consultant because the consultant said
55:46
that the treatment would be experimental because this is a new novel condition, so
55:52
there was nothing to say that the treatment would actually work or not. But
55:57
this was if it wasn't if this person symptoms hadn't been caused by the vaccine,
56:01
they would have got that treatment. So we need research. So please
56:07
spread the word as well if you if you know anyone who's vaccine injured and
56:13
they live in Scotland, tell them to join us. There's UKCV Family as
56:16
well, which is a wonderful, wonderful support group their UK wide. You
56:22
know, send them, signpost them, share the word, spread the word,
56:28
you know, recruit people. As Debbie said, we know that the
56:31
yellow card reports a something at four hundred and eighty five thousand reports of adverse
56:37
events to vaccines and we only have six hundred and fifty in our group.
56:43
They ask me thousands in Scotland and we're wondering where they all are and have
56:45
they heard of us? And we want them to at least have the choice
56:50
to join the group. So please keep spreading the word and we will certainly
56:53
keep spreading the word too. And before I throw to you for the last
56:58
word, as we will to Ruth, I know you very kindly sent us
57:02
in some video of some of your members and we're going to play that now
57:07
before we come to your last words. So let's take a look at the
57:12
video. My name's Annie, I'm twenty five and I'm from Edinburgh. I
57:15
took my second MIDERNA COVID vaccine in September twenty twenty one, and after this
57:22
my entire life changed. I had swelling starting in my hands and my wrists
57:29
and my feet, severe inflammation which then spread out throughout my whole entire body.
57:34
I went straight to the GP and they quoted me are twelve month wait
57:37
to cease to be seen by rheumatology on the NHS. After they looked at
57:42
my inflammation markers. They told me not to wait and to go private.
57:45
I got myself into a lot of date and I went private because I genuinely
57:51
felt like I was dying. I couldn't move and I couldn't walk. I
57:53
couldn't do anything for myself. I went private and they diagnosed me with serapoli
58:00
inflammatory rheumatoid arthritis, and they told me it was a very severe case of
58:06
it. The doctor was very confused as how fast it came on with no
58:09
history of it in my family. Had erosions in my bones and joint deformities
58:13
over the space of six weeks. After my vaccine. They told me I
58:17
had to get I had to get a third COVID vaccine to get better,
58:22
as I had to be fully vaccinated at the time along with my pneumonia jap
58:24
I paid a lot of money to see this doctor. I trusted him and
58:29
I went to get my COVID third booster. After this, my body was
58:34
twenty times worse. I didn't even know if that was possible, but it
58:36
was twenty times worse. I really couldn't walk and I really couldn't move.
58:40
I was some steroids, morphine traumadull Lodiana inflammatories, demarred biological drugs, infusions,
58:47
and needed a steroid injection into every single joint, which was two hundred
58:51
and fifty pounds each or four hundred to five hundred pounds ultrasound guided. I
58:57
had to pay this. I had no choice. I was living on my
59:00
own and I had a mortgage to pay, was in a cost of living
59:05
crisis, and this was the last thing that I thought that would happened to
59:07
me just because I'd done the right thing. So I paid a lot of
59:14
money to continue to see the doctor on privately. I eventually got into the
59:19
NHS and they put me even on more drugs. I tried every d marginy
59:24
possible I've arranged of biological drugs. Nothing. I wasn't getting better. I
59:31
wasn't responding to these. I'm twenty five, I'm fit, I'm healthy.
59:35
I was not responding to anything that was prescribed for a classical rematoid arthritis.
59:44
Eventually I got to see a private doctor after my family had to help me
59:49
out. We were very worried at this time. The private doctor confirmed this
59:53
was a vaccine injury and he's seen many cases like mine. He had to
59:58
put me on our range of supplement and other drugs that are not licensed in
1:00:01
the UK. I had to pay for all of these again myself. To
1:00:05
this day, I am still paying for all of these supplements just to try
1:00:09
and get better. And when I went back to Aspire one time to see
1:00:14
another doctor, they confirmed it possibly could be due to due to the vaccine.
1:00:20
Now, the gas lighting at the beginning of this whole situation is what
1:00:22
got me into the situation even worse, so I didn't need to get my
1:00:25
booster. I'm really disappointed that the doctor who's in the nurses are so uneducated
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and they just don't understand this is the whole other pandemic on on its own.
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I've had no financial help to this day, not one penny. I
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have spent thousands just to try and survive, just to try and get a
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little bit better. Even just now, I can't go a day without harsh
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painkillers. I had ecodine, cocodomal, the proxy and morphine tramadol. I
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shouldn't have to do this at this age. I had a future and I
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had a plan, And just because I've done the right thing, I can't
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even get up in the morning. I can't shower myself, I don't know
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what the future holds. In terms of work. I'm keeping my house.
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There's only so much that my family can help me out. I just hope
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that and I deserve that some sort of recognition and acknowledgment and some compensation for
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everything that I've been through, along with many others. My father died seven
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days after a second inoculation from the experimental CB nineteen therapy from astra Z.
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I will abbreviate because of censorship reasons. My father was terrified to go out
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of the house. He didn't go out for a whole year. You know.
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He went out twice. He went once for a flue job, secondary
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went out for a first easy job, and when he got his second when
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the nurse turned up to the house and unannounced, he had to be woken
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from bed. She jabbed him and off she went. There was no questions,
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no fifteen minute way as in the jab centers. There was no card,
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there was no batch number. Left. She jabbed and she left.
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Dad lost the use of his legs. He became disorientated. He couldn't get
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off the couch. He lay on that couch for seven days. He couldn't
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get upstairs to bed. He gradually stopped eating until he had that massive heart
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attack in front of my mother and my sister. Now my sister still has
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PSTD to this day. They had to do CPR on this man, This
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man who's not a statistic, this man who's not collateral damage. This was
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a father, a granda, an uncle, a good friend to many.
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Because of travel restrictions, I couldn't get to my father's funeral. I live
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in France, isolation restrictions, test restrictions. We had to wait a month
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for the autopsy because we had signaled to the ambulance team that he had been
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inoculated just seven days before. My question that has so many questions, as
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our brief people do have, because there are many of us who are breathed
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in exactly the same way. Why did the British government not pull this particular
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is a job off of the market, out of circulation, like the European
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government did the European unions that I did in March twenty one. Why did
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the British government not wait? Why did they wait until June twenty twenty one.
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How did our pathologists and our corners come to a decision that these people
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who died shortly after these injections. Did not die because of these injections.
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What competence did they have with seeing death after this new injection, which has
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never been injected into people, never in the history of humankind human mankind?
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How could they possibly correctly diagnose the cause of death? We need answers.
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Ruth, thank you so much for sending that in and thank you so much
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for going to talk to us. And I hope all of you in Scotland
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and around the country and around the world will support everything that everyone is doing.
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Plead to your MPAY, please support your MSP, your MPAY, please
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make a noise. We must not let the vaccine injured be forgotten. Ruth,
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thank you and over to you for your last word. I just want
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to use my last word to say thank you to UK column for all the
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work you're doing. It's phenomenal For all the other vaccine support groups out there,
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for all the people like me who have been and our group members who
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are advocating for vaccine injured and people who've also experienced other injuries from other medications
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and things like that, we know a whole new world has opened up to
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us that we didn't know existed. Before, so thank you for your support.
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And if you are vaccine injured and you're listening to this and you didn't
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know that groups existed, please please join a group. You know, that's
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where you're going to find out about the latest treatments that are working. That's
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where you're going to find people who really understand what you're going through. And
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if you are somebody in influence in the NHS or you're a politician, please
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please will you push for research for vaccine injury. Please will you make sure
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that this never happens again. Your vaccine injury doesn't discriminate. You can be
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rich or poor, old or young. You a mother or a father or
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a grandfather, or a child, or a brother or sister. It doesn't
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matter who you are, what your social status is. If you get vaccine
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injured, it can permanently disable you. It's really important that we get this
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word out and that we get the treatment for people that really need it.
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Thank you,