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Brain Balancing + Trauma · Giving Pain Purpose with Lyndsay Soprano

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This is Your Pain Game podcast where we talk about the game of living in
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and with chronic pain and trauma get into the heart of how to heal.
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I am your host, Lindsay Soprano. On the show, I plan on
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discussing with doctors, chronic pain patients, holistic practitioners, loved ones, and
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anybody that is interested in having their voice heard in the chronic pain and trauma
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world that we live in. Oh, the brain, the beautiful, beautiful
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brains that are between our two ears and behind our eyes, you know,
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super complex little place, and can we all agree for just like a hot
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minute, that it is kind of important that we take care of it and
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that we understand it. We all sit here and go, yeah, yeah,
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our brain, our brain, our brain. You know what it is
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like. As you guys have listened to this show for as long as you
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have, and if you're new today, welcome. Our brains are so incredibly
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powerful, and so incredibly sensitive and so incredibly complex. But we have the
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power to make our brains work better for us. And it is something that
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I am learning with every episode that I do, every study that I read,
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every incredible person that I meet that makes me have far more hope than
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I had before I started this show. So today we're going to talk a
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little bit. We're going to rap a little bit about balancing this precious brain
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of ours, right, We're going to talk about trauma and brains response to
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it. We're going to talk about oh stress and how chronic stress just completely
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messes us all up. Sleep deprivation because we have to talk about sleep deprivation
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as my guest knows about me and you guys do too, and the impact
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and power that our brain has on us to help us heal. We're also
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going to quick touch on the effects of COVID, and I know we all
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are kind of sick of COVID the word as a whole, but it is
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incredibly important for us to understand what COVID did do all of us, not
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just as adults, but really what's happened from newborn's up. And while we're
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at it, I was thinking maybe as a team, we could seek out
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like maybe a looney bin to check myself into if I don't get any sleep,
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to heal my brain and heal my food in twenty twenty four, so
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as a group, we can all start to look for one if I don't
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get in sleep in this year. So let's talk about it. Let's talk
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about getting our brain back on track and getting a deeper understanding of why and
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how our struggles are so real to us, and how my de gorgeous guests
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in front of me today can help not only you, but everyone in your
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life, no matter what age we're at, because it's not just about kids.
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We're all kids, you know, we all need help. So,
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without further ado, I'd like to introduce to you to my beautiful guest,
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doctor Rebecca Jackson. Happy New Year, Happy New Year, Lindsay. I
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am so happy that you're here today. I've been looking forward to this conversation.
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Doctor Rebecca Jackson, you are an industry leader in brain health and optimizing
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the brain to enhance how we feel in function. She brings us fifteen plus
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years of experience as Chief Programs Officer of Brain Balance. In her role,
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she has published research on improving cognition, development and well being, drives programmatic
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enhancements, and creates new programs to meet growing demands of people wanting to achieve
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more and feel better, not just for ourselves, but for our children,
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our spouses, our loved ones. You know, the crazy people in our
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lives. She is the author of the book Back on Track, a practical
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guide to help kids of all ages thrive, and is a frequent media guest
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as an expert on improving brain health, development, and cognition. God bless
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America, I need cognition help. Her work has been featured in Mayo Clinic
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Press, Forbes, psych Central, Business Insider, and more, and she
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has appeared I'm Exhausted on both local and national news shows such as The Doctor's
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Show and NBC's Night Leaders. So welcome. I'm rolling out the red carpet
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for you, babe. Are you pooped listening to all the things that you
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do? And that's just like the cusp? Well, no, I'm so
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excited to be here. And I always tell people when it comes to the
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brain, the more I learn, the more I feel like I know nothing.
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I feel like I'm at like a kindergarten level for what's out there because
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there's so much to it. As you said, the brain is powerful,
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it's sensitive, but it's also resilient. And so that's what we're going to
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get to talk about today is understanding what can we do to build that resilience
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and tap into that power. So we all feel and function for best.
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Yeah, and resilience is such a great word that you chose because it is
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it is mission critical for us to understand that it is resilient. It's like,
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you know, they say that our liver can you know, regenerate.
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That's what we're all hoping for. That's our new Year's resolution for everyone.
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Can our livers regenerate themselves? With doctor Rebecca exactly, we just changed the
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episode, so let's get it. I know me too, let's get into
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it. So talk to us. Yeah, well, you know, the
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first time I met you, lindsay, I feel like our challenge is to
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not have this be a three hour And it's so interesting in talking to you
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because you've lived so much personally, where so much has personally impacted your life
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and your health, which directly impacts your brain. So you're living the reality
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of when there's impact to your brain, whether it's chronic stress, whether it's
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trauma, these things all have a very very real impact. And I think,
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you know, there's so many things that we minimize in life, but
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it's real and understanding that. But then to me, it's always where do
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we go forward from here? So we know it's real. We know there's
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an impact, but the empowering part, the exciting part, is knowing that
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there is a path forward. And when it comes to the brain, so
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often it's all about going back to the basics. It's it's not always super
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complex, but sometimes it's just realizing what do we have at our fingertips that
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we can do on a daily basis to set our brain up for the best
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success. And to me, brain health is everything. It's our mood,
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it's our cognition, it's how we function. Brain health is our mental health
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as well as our physical health and wellbeing, for sure. And I think
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one of the things that is for me with my brain and I can only
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speak to mine and it is a wack of do place to live in guys.
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Is I really struggle when we talked about this. I've had six concussions.
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We'll just start there. And I do not play for the NFL,
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thank god. But you know what, it's one of the things that I
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really struggle with because even though I consider myself to be a fairly bright human
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being, I am funny, I'm like hearted, I show up, I
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do all of these things. I have no idea what it would I would
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actually be, like if my brain was functioning the way it's supposed to,
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I'm pretty sure. Or I'd be a Nobel Peace Prize winner. There are
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so many things that I feel like I would be. I'd be Gwen Stefani
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or Madonna or like, no, I don't want to be Madonna. She's
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putting fake button her just putting the fake things in her body. No,
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but you know what I mean, Like, it's it's really unbelievable, how
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how foggy I have gotten over the years, and it's just been a little
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tingle in the back of my brain stump here, and there's been like whoa
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am I on a boat? Like there's so many weird things that happen,
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and over time they've been so small that now they've just gotten bigger and bigger
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and bigger, and so now here we are trying to fix the brain well.
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And concussion is such an interesting world and one of the mind bombs for
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me when I was and this is attending an International Brain convention, this is
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right before at COVID, and they were talking about how all the research on
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concussion has been on males, not on females, And the conversation was all
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around understanding. Why is it that there can be what is perceived as a
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mild concussion that has major lasting impacts, but then sometimes there's a major concussion
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that has mild lasting impacts. One of the things that they're finding is that
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as a female, when the concussion occurs throughout your monthly cycle has an impact
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on the severity. How nuts is that? And I can't I'm not the
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expert of that, so I can't tell you what time of the month is
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good or bad for concussion. But as females were constantly cycling, so we've
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got different levels of inflammation, we've got different levels of hormones activated at different
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times during the month, and they're finding that impact. Right, So the
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fact that you're a female with six concussions might have compounded your challenge. Yeah,
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and it's not like one goes away. They just to use your term,
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it's compounded on top of the other one and one one was a little
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bit more severe than the next one, or one was more than the first
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one. I mean, it's an all very different and all different sides of
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my head. So it came from I had front of my head, jaw,
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jaw, back of my head, back of my head, back front
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of my head again, so you know, you think about it all.
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And two of them, both of my eyes, so you're thinking, like,
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oh my god, this poor brain of mine feels like soup. I
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always say, it feels like somebody's like whisking their eggs to get ready to
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cook them. And it's just this like like porridge, feeling almost like I'm
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drunk. And in fact, in our meet and greet you mentioned about we
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talked about sleep deprivation and how one I believe and correct me if I'm wrong.
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If you said one day of sleep deprivation makes you feel it's significantly it
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makes you feel like you are drunk. So this is a study from Cambridge
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Brain Sciences, so they're leaders in cognitive assessments and they did this study looking
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at sleep and what they found was sleep deprivation for your cognitive abilities is equivalent
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to being mildly intoxicated. So I remember that as a brand new mom,
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sleep deprivation a couple months into things, and I remember saying to my husband,
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I shouldn't drive far right now. I don't feel okay. Yeah,
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And as it turns out, I was exactly right. I would have passed
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if it was a you know, blow on the sure you know there was
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there was no alcohol in my in my blood. But sleep deprivation is the
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equivalent of cognitively being intoxic. So I've been intoxicated since I was nine.
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Yeah, without the buzz, what a bummer. But but what it caused
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was, over time, a different kind of buzz. And it's one that
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I didn't know at nine years old. I certainly didn't know up until probably
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about two years ago. And I look back and I'm like, my parents
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were amazing, my my mom and myself Dad, Where the hell were you
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during all of that? Right, Well, it's the eighties. Our parents
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didn't think anything was going on. So with sleep and that deprivation, I
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mean, obviously we're not going to cure sleep deprivation here on this on this
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episode. So we're we've talked about sleep deprivation. So what are we doing
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now to to move us into the next stage of our episode? Here is
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the development from such a young age and that important of how we start to
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develop and why that is so important and how it doesn't like stop for starters
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because I was like, oh, yeah, well, like your book says,
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you don't just like stop developing. I'm developing right now as we're talking.
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You know, all the developments from coordination and our sensory or find motor
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skills, our attention, relationships, communication me all of those things, and
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how COVID came in and kind of screwed a little bit of that up for
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us. Yeah, I mean, there's so much to unpack here, but
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you're absolutely right where development begins in utero and it doesn't stop. We think
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about development as childhood. But the World Health Organization did a position paper in
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twenty twenty two talking about brain health and what are the what constitutes brain health
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and what are the detriments of brain health, And one of the detriments of
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brain health is considered development. If your development as a child wasn't on track,
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that is a detriment to your adult brain health. The good news in
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that statement is that the brain can change it any age. And this is
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the beauty of the era that we're in, is we get to be empowered
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to do things to improve our brain. We can continue the development that maybe
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didn't happen when it was supposed to, So it's never too late to change
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the brain. I'm always a big fan of the sooner we get things in
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place, the better. Sure there's you know, but there's you never give
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a pop, there's always still an opportunity to change things. And you know,
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to tie this back into sleep, it's so easy as a parent to
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look at the challenge and your child and think of it as you know,
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my child isn't sleeping well. I have to hold them to nap. They're
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up multiple times a night, and they're two years old. I thought they
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were going to outgrow it by now, so it's easy to look at that
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as a sleep problem. Or if they're melting down all the time and tantruming,
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it's easy to look at that as a behavior problem. Right. The
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brain health underlies all of that, and so when we think about development and
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how your development contributes to sleep. When an infant is born, their nervous
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system is in fright or flight. The baby comes out kicking, screaming,
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crying, rapid heartbeat, shallow breathing. And then over time, as they
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develop, they go from this predominant fight or flight state, and the more
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the nervous system develops, what becomes predominant is our calm mechanism. So as
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adults, we should be calm and relaxed the vast majority of the time,
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and we should only go into fight or flight when we're really angry, really
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emotional, really scared, really upset. It's the extremes. What happens with
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our kids is if there's immaturity in the development of their brain and body,
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they're going to be at a higher fight or flight level. That disrupts sleep,
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that disrupts food digestion, It disrupts their ability to stay calm and regulated.
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So a red flag early on is if we have a child that isn't
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able to fall asleep and stay asleep throughout the night, a child that isn't
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able to nap where they're napping in twenty minute increments at boast and you have
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to hold them the whole time. Those are red flags that that nervous system
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is in fight or flight and that is going to have an impact on that
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child's development. So it's interesting then at the flip side to watch when development
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starts to kick in. And I saw this at Brain Balance and early on
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in my years at Brain Belts. Coming back fifteen years now, families would
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comment on they would talk to me about their child's group, which I never
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expected to have conversations at Brainblance about vowel movements, and they would talk to
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me about their child's sleep, and this would always be at the end of
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the program and they'd say, you know, hey, I don't know if
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this has anything to do with anything, but my child used to be constipated
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all the time and they're not anymore. My child used to not sleep and
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they're sleeping so much more regularly. Does that have anything to do with what
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you're doing? And so why is that when you see balance, coordination,
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attention, emotional regulation develop, you see it impact the whole system. So
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development is everything, brain health is everything. And the pandemic to bring it
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back around to that point of a conversation, the pandemic was such an interesting
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time. I mean, we are going to be learning and unpacking information from
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this time for decades to come. But all of our lives changed dramatically overnight
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and stayed change for a long period of time, and those changes had an
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impact on the development of our kids. Our kids are further behind, and
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we're seeing this in structural imaging with brains are different and babys's the youngest six
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months of age born during that time. Kids are further behind in social emotional
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development and coordination. Those are the pieces that ultimately build towards your ability to
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pay attention, your ability to execute on executive functions. So the pandemic,
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it was a Peatrie dish of when we introduced massive change, massive stress,
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we reduced sensory exposure, we reduced social interaction, and we saw that that
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was not a good recipe for supporting the development of our kids or the well
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being of adults. Yeah, and we did not have that awareness before COVID.
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In my opinion, I do not think that we were in touch enough
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with the developmental challenges that we've been faced with since we were a little gram
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to being an adult. I certainly pay more attention to it than I ever
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did before. Some of that is my own health challenges, but a lot
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of it is going back and seeking for answers as to why I ended up
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here with my body and my health. The brain part of it for me
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is really the brain pain connection. So I know all of the horrible things
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that happened to me, and I also am not innocent and the things that
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I did in my life, my lifestyle choices were not ideal growing up.
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Some of that aces childhood drama, you know, and always feeling like it
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was my fault. Whatever happened to me was always my fault. So developmentally,
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as a child, I felt like I was an adult from a very
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very young age, so acted like an adult. I hung out with adults.
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I didn't hang out with a lot of kids. I hated high school.
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I was like, get me out, get me out of college,
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get me married, let me have a house, let me have some kids.
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Can I get done with this developmental stuff. I did not feel like
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I was getting what I needed at a young age, but I didn't know
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that until fairly recently when I started unpacking. It's nuts well and you know,
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to bring up trauma and looking at that with development. And one of
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the first times this really struck me is I was meeting with a mom.
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We had just assessed a child and the little girl was probably maybe eleven or
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twelve years of age, and doing her assessment, every single function that we
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measured came in at the level of a six year old. And mom came
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to us because emotional regulation issues, so you know, would melt down,
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fly off the handle, and struggling school, struggling with friends, impulse control,
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struggles with attention, and she the mom was you scared me to help
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better wits end and looking at the assessment and I've assessed over a thousand kids,
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and so you start to see the trends and patterns in the data,
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and this was just presenting different and you know, there wasn't this combination of
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strength and weaknesses. Everything was just vaulted. And I didn't realize where this
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conversation was going. And I made the comment, you know, boy,
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I don't know what happened at six, but you've got an eleven year old
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who developmentally is frozen at six, and the mom burst into tears totally,
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and I I just stepped in it. But when I stubbed that, and
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you know, turns out physical sexual assault at six years of age. And
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I saw it in the data. I saw where her body continued to grow.
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You know, this is a she had just gotten her period. So
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we have this child whoo's so socially emotionally immature, who's now having to deal
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with menstruation, which I don't know why this is the second time I'm bringing
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upminstruation in one short conversation. I mean, maybe let's bring it up three
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or four more times. I don't care. Yeah, we're on a roll.
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But so just seeing that lay out in the data and having this childhood
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in front of me of trauma froze several aspects of her development. And they
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had been working with you know, counselors and therapists and had a team of
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people working with them to address with they knew needed to be addressed, but
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then it was so fascinating to then watch. So she did the brain balance
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program and doing the exercises and activities that target and strengthen networks and pathways in
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the brain, she was able to develop past that, and by developing past
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that, she was able to continue to work through them more with her therapist.
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It doesn't make the trauma go away, but to sort of, I
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think of it as unlocking that that frozen aspect in the brain. And we
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know, you know, when it comes to trauma, it impacts the brain
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on multiple levels. But one of the things that happens is it changes our
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sensory perception. And sensory perception is everything. It is how we experience the
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world. For all of us. If we're coming into a new or unknown
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situation, our senses go on highler we're scanning the environment, trying to decide
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is this safe? Is this okay? What should I expect? Then once
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we realize okay, this is you know, let's say I'm going to a
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friend's house for the first time I've never been. I'm taking it all in.
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I see that I'm safe, I'm calm, relaxed. Now I can
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focus. When trauma has occurred, the brain is focused or functioning in that
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hyper vigilant sensory processing state because the brain doesn't know what it can trast and
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so I look at an environment, I think it's safe, but I thought
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it was safe before it turns out it wasn't. And so your brain is
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in this hyper vigilant state where and that is an incredibly draining, fatiguing place
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to be. When we're on that high alert, it takes a lot of
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resources from the brain because you're processing more information. A mature, calm brain
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filters information. So right now, as I'm talking to you, I'm ignoring
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my kids in the other road with the dogs ran by a outside. I
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can block out everything that's irrelevant so that I'm only focusing on what I see
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and care for me. With the trauma history, the brain isn't able to
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filter. It doesn't know how to identify what's important and what's not important.
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So think about a child sitting in a classroom and there's all the things all
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over the walls, and the teacher's talking and the kids are talking next to
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them, and there's a herd flying by the way window, and that brain
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doesn't know how to prioritize information. And now that child isn't keeping up,
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doesn't know the directions to do the homework assignment, can't remember what the teacher
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asked them to do because the brain hasn't prioritized. And then we get mad
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to saying, hey, you weren't paying attention, you weren't listening. Why
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didn't you do that? And it can go back to something as simple as
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trauma that changed the way the brain is taking in sensor information, so changes
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your perception. If I've got disruption or dysregulation in my senses, it can
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look like I'm lying, like I'm not trying, like I didn't pay attention
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when it could be my reality. But maybe I'm not taking in information and
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processing it accurately. So then what I'm retrieving and what I'm depending on is
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inaccurate. But it's my truth. Everybody just take a deep breath on that
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one. Okay, I hope everybody is parked. I'm not driving a vehicle,
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because some people may have just driven off of the route, including myself.
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I'm glad that I'm in my chair in my studio, but i I'm
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and as I read your book and as I'm listening to you speak, as
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everybody knows that listens to me and knows me, I am highly emotional.
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I'm a huge EmPATH. And one of the things that I do is I
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cry a lot. I literally have one tissue my house. So Rebecca and
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I were like, we gotta say that and use that. But it makes
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me sad hearing what you just talked about, because and I want to talk
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about what trauma actually is, because it doesn't necessarily mean that you had to
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be sexually assaulted. It doesn't mean that you had a drunk, alcoholic father
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who beat the crap out of you. It doesn't have to be that.
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It could have been a car accident, it could have been left at school
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every single day because your dad didn't pick you up, or your dad didn't
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show up because he just didn't show up for anything to pick you up on
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his weekend or you know, there's so many things moving as traumatic to kids,
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moving them from school to school. I mean, you just the list
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goes on and on with trauma and so what I think trauma gets such a
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bad rap, you know, which it should. But I think when people
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hear the word trauma, they process it like, oh, well, jeez,
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I don't want to talk to her about that because I'm uncomfortable talking about
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what her dad to do her or whatever whatever the you know, whatever that
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might be. But for me, it could be. It could be all
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kinds of different things to everybody, and for me, like with my pain
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stuff, I always say, pain is pain is pain. You could experience
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the exact same thing as me and not have any effect whatsoever. It would
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be like just like it's Sunday for me, it could just totally derail me.
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And part of the problem that I have with my emotion side is I
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care so much people pleaser. All that comes a lot of that sums from
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the T word big and little. I think they're all big. I don't
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know why, but there has to be a scale. Just don't like scales
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on anything of that regard. But it's I really, really really struggle with
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that sensory that you were talking about and the emotion behind it, because I
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I can get emotional about anything, drop a pen on the floor, world's
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coming to an end, or get in a car accident, you know,
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crash the tesla, yes, another tesla off the road, right. So
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I process things that happen around me a little bit differently than I think others
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do. Some of that's neurodiversity within myself. I mean, there's so many
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things, and that's the case because it's so complex, which is how I
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started the episode. We are such complex into visuals. We are each our
24:26
own person, and when we have parents that put their stuff on us and
24:30
we don't think that we're necessarily performing the way that we're supposed to do.
24:33
I had that in my household, a little bit of the perfectionism. You
24:37
know. We take things, we take things so personal, and we get
24:41
so emotionally involved, and it just goes into all of our lifestyle and all
24:45
the things that we do, and we have such a hard time focusing and
24:48
we have such a hard time understanding why that got us so raled up,
24:52
or our patience level is so low, where like that should not be something
24:56
that I should be getting upset about there are so many things within that in
25:00
that world, that realm that I struggle with on the daily. Is it
25:04
all from trauma? Now? Is some of it from trauma? Sure?
25:08
Some of it's life, Some of it's being a woman because we take on
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the world. Well, your face has nailed that one, so true.
25:18
Well, and a couple of things from what you just said one hundred percent,
25:22
trauma is trauma is trauma, and your trauma never compared to something.
25:26
Never is it so easy to say, oh my gosh, what you went
25:30
through is so much more than than what another person's right is it's all relevant
25:33
to you and nobody else. And if it impacted your brain and impacted your
25:37
brain, whether or not you think it should have, shouldn't and and but
25:41
the beautiful part of this is yes, trauma can impact your brain and change
25:45
sensory processing and change your level of vigilance. The change is possible. You
25:49
don't have to stay stuck in that place. And it's knowing how to exercise
25:53
and engage and mature those aspects of the brain to rebuild a threshold, to
25:56
rebuild tolerance, to allow your sensory system to be able to relax and to
26:02
be able to identify what's important and relevant information so you're not having to process
26:06
everything. And I have to say, never apologize for the tears. This
26:11
is another one of my like you know, I learned some nugget of information
26:14
that just blows my mind. Tears helps to balance and regulate our hormones in
26:18
our emotions. You cry, that's your body's natural way to regulate and to
26:22
reset you. So you're crying to reset to homeostasis. So let the tears
26:26
come out, man, Because I cry all the time album I not regulated.
26:33
Well, I guess that means it really unregulated. You'res crying all the
26:36
time. God, woman, it's unbelievable. And my sweeties, so funny
26:40
is like what we are laughing and crying at the same time. I'm like,
26:44
I'm also peeing. So I mean, it's just a big win for
26:45
everybody here. So we talk about you. You mentioned about helping our brain,
26:52
fixing our brain, helping us to make those changes to our brain.
26:55
So let's move into how we get back on check and how we do start
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to fix our brain with you by our side, the help and the hope.
27:03
That that's the part I like, I want to hope in an action
27:07
place. Aymen's sister, You know again one of my mind bombs that I
27:11
just loved. What I learned is is and we get to use this.
27:15
So we have three primary sensory pathways, and these three primary sensory pathways contribute
27:23
the maturation of our emotional circuitry. Our sensory system contributes to our emotional regulation.
27:32
So when we do sensory processing and we're using these three primary sensory pathways,
27:37
it helps regulate our mood and emotions. So in knowing so these three
27:42
primary sensory pathways, they're light, their touch, and their sound, and
27:47
the brain loves to do things together. So it's not about getting light stimulation
27:51
and then at a separate time getting sound stimulation. It's working these systems together
27:53
because our brain is never doing these things in isolation. While you and I
27:56
are talking, we're watching, we're listening, we're blocking out just I'm not
28:00
blocking out distractions. I'm literally forcing myself to not hear the dog not here,
28:03
the gardener Jashut just went by. My sweetie just walked in and out
28:07
of the garage. Seventeen times. My dogs have been barking. I'm like
28:11
the fact that I'm able to focus right now is unbelievable. But I've been
28:15
doing when you said earlier, like you've been able to do all of that.
28:18
I have been literally doing everything in my power to not think about anything.
28:22
But you, yeah, well and think how exhausting that is. You
28:26
do it, and you do a remarkable job of it, and then you
28:29
crash at the end because it takes more resources for you because you're you're And
28:33
so that's where so starting a sensory stimulation. If you're only in your house,
28:37
and this is what we saw throughout COVID, if you're only in your
28:41
house all day, it's the same sensory input all the time. Yeah,
28:44
if your barefoot, it's the same carpet and hardwood floor, it's your small
28:47
house smells the same every day. So it's so important that we're getting a
28:51
variety of sensory exposure and so simple things like being barefoot when you're going outside,
28:56
going to a different market where there's fish smells, a different food smell,
29:00
and it's then getting those exposures doing it repeatedly, so the first time
29:06
you do something new, the brain's on high alert because it doesn't know what
29:07
it is it doesn't know what's important. But then you do that same thing
29:11
over and over again, and the brain starts to strengthen those pathways, and
29:15
the brain says, hey, I know this environment, I know it's important.
29:18
I know it's not important. And so it's finding ways to provide different
29:23
sensory input in different sensory stimulation than what you're used to, trying new and
29:27
different and then repeat it. And you know, a great example to give
29:32
you the power of your sensory system. And so if you think back to
29:36
you were just on vacation, if you were to think back and describe a
29:41
memory from vacation, think about one of your favorite memories and whether you want
29:45
to share it publicly or instantly. I know my favorite, Okay, so
29:48
if you're willing to share, share that I will. Because my sweetie is
29:51
hysterical. And I was sick in Cancune because we went away for ten days
29:56
and we got sick, both of us, which of course happens because we
29:57
work with work, grok work. And then we finally though and we're like
30:00
and we collapsed, both of us. But I dared him. I'm not
30:04
going to tell you what I dared him or what I told him that I
30:07
would give him if if he didn't, I told him that's for a different
30:11
kind of show anyway. He I'm like, I dare you to go out
30:15
there on the beach right now, because there's a bunch of girls out there
30:18
dancing. And there was a guy in like a tutu and glitter all over,
30:21
and I said, I want you to go join the circle and start
30:23
dancing. And this guy went out and he starts dancing. He has no
30:26
coordination, he cannot dance. He's a little bit older than me, and
30:30
so it's really funny watching him. He just doesn't care, Like he doesn't
30:34
care. I could tell him to just up like a woman and like go
30:37
through Costco and he'd be like, bring it, you know. And but
30:41
this video I've watched it like one hundred and fifty times. It brings me
30:44
so much joy. It was like the best fifteen thirty seconds of our trip.
30:48
I love it. Yeah, well I think you can. You can
30:52
picture it vividly. Every the smell, the smell of like the suntan lotion
30:56
that was everywhere. It smelled like pineapple. Our whole thing is pine apples
31:00
and pinicalttas. It's kind of our thing. Our song is the Pinacoalttas song.
31:02
That's a whole different topic. But yeah, like, for sure,
31:04
the sensory side of it. At the sand which I couldn't walk on because
31:07
of my took d's, but watching other people in the sand and dancing,
31:11
and the heat and the wind and the clouds and I mean all of it,
31:15
and your senses form your memories. And so it's why if somebody walks
31:19
by with perfume, you can you can instantly be brought back to spending time
31:23
with your grandmother who passed away twenty years ago. Our sensory system is so
31:26
powerful. It's what contributes for our memory. So as we expand our sensory
31:33
processing and perception and our sensory experiences, it's just it's it's building memories,
31:40
It builds our perception and processing. And for our kids, if there's any
31:45
sensory dysregulation or disruption, this is attention, This is learning, This is
31:48
socialization. If I'm having a conversation and I'm not sure what you just said,
31:52
I'm going to be less likely to want to engage. I don't want
31:55
to have to ask what over and over again. So I can't stress enough
31:59
the power her sensory system, and I see parents minimize it. I see
32:02
parents say always just a sensory kid, if he's so smart, they'll be
32:06
fine, or oh yeah, they just don't like to get their hands dirty.
32:09
It's nothing to panic about. But knowledge and information is power. If
32:13
you see any dysregulation senses at any age, there's there's opportunity to strengthen that
32:19
and improve it. And I see so often with auditory processing, if you're
32:23
not processing what you're hearing auditorily, this can look like poor behavior, like
32:28
poor attention, struggling to learn. And it could be just as simple as
32:31
the brain isn't taking an auditory information as mature and accurately as it should.
32:37
So the goal is then to make the brain stronger, faster and more efficient
32:42
so you're able to capture more information accurately so that you can then turn around
32:45
and apply it. And so within your program you do all of these different
32:50
types of sensory strengthening exercises and all of that. Okay, so that we
32:53
got we get did number one? What's number two? I forget what number
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two? Question? I know you? Oh, I said, there's two
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things. Oh, the three primary sensory PA yes, thank you. Light,
33:09
sound in touch okay, yes, massage think vibratory stimulation. You're taking
33:19
me down another road with vibrators right now. Okay, that kind of show.
33:22
We thank you you well. It is that kind of show today is
33:25
not supposed to be. No, it's fine. So okay. So when
33:30
you talk about light and sound in touch right for me, like, I'm
33:32
crazy sensitive to all of those things, like light, like normally, like
33:37
right now, I've got light on in the in the studio, but I'm
33:40
it's facing the wall, and when no one's in here, I work in
33:44
the dark. And I always have sunglasses on when I'm outside. Sometimes when
33:47
I'm sitting in a restaurant and then sound, I'm like, oh my gosh,
33:51
like why is everything so loud? And so I feel like I'm always
33:55
on, I'm always over stimulated, I'm always in fighter flight. I feel
34:00
things more than I should or I don't feel things enough. So I kind
34:06
of have like like bl bipolarity on like the feeling side of me, where
34:10
I'm like I don't even feel that. Some of that is my CRPS,
34:14
some of that is lime disease, some of that. So I have to
34:15
like separate church and state from you know, the things that my brain is
34:21
telling my body that's happening, which might not actually be happening. Like there's
34:23
no way that I am walking on legos, gravel, hot coals, broken
34:28
glass ice at the same moment. That's not happening in my feet. I
34:31
don't rocks in my feet, right, But that's what it feels like.
34:35
And so my brain is working over time to understand that sensation. Somebody said,
34:42
don't use feeling, use sensation, so I've started to use the word
34:45
sensation. So that feels like crap instead of being like, well, that's
34:47
an interesting sensation. I'm trying it on. I'm trying it on. I
34:52
like it. Well, feeling could be emotion or right, sensory feelings,
34:54
so I do like that sensation, and you know, both can be true.
34:58
You can you can be hyper sensitive to sensory input and hypo at the
35:01
same time, So there can be things where you're hyper sensitive to sound but
35:06
maybe don't feel deep pressure. So it just depends on which pathways are involved.
35:13
And everything that you're describing, your brain is on high alert. It
35:15
is on so you're again that hyper vigilance to sensing everything. And again that's
35:21
going to be incredibly exhausting and fatiguing to the brain. So when it comes
35:25
to light, there's two different aspects. There's how you how much light your
35:29
pupil takes in, so how sensitive are you to light? And then there's
35:32
processing differences in light. And so a great way to get light stimulation is
35:37
something as simple as wearing blue safety glasses. So you can give them an
35:40
Amazon for like a dollar ninety nine, And that's just giving your brain different
35:45
input, different information, and it's just a way to kind of wake up
35:47
your brain and exercise different pathwits. And especially we know blue light is great
35:52
first thing in the morning. It signals to your brain it's time to wake
35:54
up. It's you know, kind of replicating blue skies and sunlight. And
36:00
so a great strategy is just doing blue safety glasses first thing in the morning
36:05
when you wake up, signaling your brain it's time to be awake and work.
36:07
It's just giving your brain different input. So it doesn't need to be
36:13
fancy, it doesn't need to be expensive, just some simple strategies. I
36:17
love it. Okay, so we work on some we come to brain balance.
36:22
What are we expecting out of you guys? Like, what are we
36:23
going in and going, hey, Okay, I've got a kid or I've
36:27
got myself, because you don't just work with children at brain balance. Your
36:30
specialty is in children more so, right, But at the end of the
36:35
day, we're all kids. We're all we're all light hearted, we're as
36:38
developed as we are going to be to day. But now we've got to
36:42
fix some stuff, right, no matter what age we are. I've got
36:45
a girlfriend who's got a four year old daughter, who, as you were
36:49
speaking all of the things that you were saying, makes me very sad for
36:52
her because she has so much going on in her household that she's competing against
36:58
five dogs, two boys, her grandfather, her mom, and her dad,
37:01
and she's like, all I want is like a lot of attention.
37:05
I mean, that's what it feels like from the outside looking in, right,
37:07
And so it's hard for me to not feel like, gosh, I
37:12
hope everything's okay with her, and you know, they and I worry about
37:15
her because I want to make sure that because she's so beautiful and she's so
37:17
smart. But I feel like I don't want her to get lost somewhere in
37:22
all of this, you know, because she was one and a half two
37:25
years old during COVID, you know, and so you're you got that.
37:30
And then there's a thirteen year old in the seventeen year old also in COVID.
37:32
So you've got three kids that were all going through different things as they
37:37
were developing during COVID, amongst all my other nieces and nephews, you know.
37:40
So it's just and I'm not a mom, so I always lean on
37:45
like, oh, these are my kids, and by proxy they're kind of
37:46
my little babies, you know, And so I'm always worried about their development
37:50
and how they're going to do and what they're going to grow up to be.
37:52
And I almost feel like they're my kids sometimes because I'm so worried about
37:55
their well being, mostly because I don't want them to go through an the
38:00
crap that I'm going through. Yeah. Well, and we absolutely know that
38:04
the pandemic did have an impact on development because life changed, sensory exposure changed,
38:09
We all stayed home for a long period of time, and that impacted
38:12
the developing brain even more than it impacted our brains, and it impacted our
38:15
brains as well, And so we absolutely know that kids are more kids and
38:22
adults are struggling now than ever with attention depression, with anxiety, and we're
38:25
seeing differences in testing scores in social maturity, motion regulation. But again,
38:32
to me, the hope is always there's opportunity or change. There's opportunity.
38:38
Again, you're not stuck with the brain you have forever. It's what you
38:43
have today, and there's a path forward that of being able to target and
38:46
exercise specific areas of the brain. You can build the brain so it's stronger,
38:51
faster, and more efficient, which means you're able to pay attention longer,
38:53
blockout distractions, better manage your emotions, and regulate your emotions more consistently.
39:00
So there's no such things as perfect development and a perfect brain. Sure,
39:02
of course, it builds, it builds resilient. So to go back
39:07
to, you know, if somebody comes to grain bounce, what can you
39:08
expect? You know, first and foremost who comes to brain balance our individuals,
39:13
whether it's adults or kids that have an area of struggle, And so
39:15
often parents are asking the question of is this behavior? Is there something more
39:21
going on? Is they're trying to understand you know, as parents it is?
39:24
It? Me? Right? Yeah, yeah, my kids are getting
39:28
suspended, they've got detention, they're in Saturday school, they're acting out,
39:31
they're joy writing. Is it me that I mess it up? What it
39:35
might be some of you environment and does play play a factor into this,
39:40
But that brain balance for both kids and adults, we're looking at brain health
39:45
and development. Is your brain functioning and optimal or is there opportunity for things
39:50
to be better? And what we know we look at a lot of developmental
39:53
aspects for especially when we're assessing kids, is to say, Okay, we've
39:58
got a ten year old that's go with at tension, focus, learning,
40:00
and behavior, and we start to do an assessment, and this ten year
40:04
old might meet twelve on twelve years of age on some things that we measure,
40:07
and might be six years of age and other things that we measure.
40:10
So then we've got this conundrum. We've got these inconsistencies of skills and behaviors,
40:15
which then in real life might look like a kid with amazing memory that
40:19
melts down when he gets frustrated, that can pull it together and get us
40:22
homework done one day, but then doesn't get it turned in the next.
40:24
So we start to see these inconsistencies and you've got data points to support that
40:30
points. Yeah, the data peaks a picture for us, and it resonates
40:34
with parents where they're like, oh my gosh, no wonder why. And
40:37
they'll say to us, I've got a child two years younger, but yet
40:39
sometimes they seem older. This makes so much sense and I love that that
40:45
aha moment for a parent of you know, sometimes it's not always the parent.
40:50
Some kids are harder to parent than others. And when we've got a
40:52
ten year old that we're putting ten year old expectations on but might have aspects
40:57
of development in line with the six year old, that is going to take
41:00
a lot more work. I'm going to have to see, you know,
41:01
a six year old, I can't say, you know, go up,
41:04
brush your teeth, play out your clothes for tomorrow, pack your school bag,
41:07
and then come say good night. Six year old, I've got a
41:09
one step at a time for brush your teeth, to do. Brush your
41:12
teeth, now, let's do your clothes for tomorrow, versus an older child
41:15
can do those things. So to me, it's it's providing and understanding to
41:19
parents and here's why you're seeing what you're seeing. And then here's the action
41:22
plan of how we close that developmental gap so that you've got a ten year
41:27
old that's able to function like a ten year old. And to put this
41:30
into perspective, what we know about ADHD is with ADHD, there's aspects of
41:35
brain function that are about thirty percent behind their peers. So if I have
41:39
a ten year old with ADHD, that means some aspects of development are going
41:45
to be in line with a seven year old. So what that looks like
41:47
is if I had a second grader sitting in a fifth grade classroom, and
41:51
I'm asking them to interact with the fifth graders and pay attention as long as
41:54
the fifth graders do and function at a fifth grade level. And so when
42:00
we have expectations that are higher than what a child's able to acomplish, there's
42:07
frustration on both sides, both sides. For sure. For sure, my
42:10
parents didn't have a problem with me and my clothing. I had all of
42:15
my outfits color coordinated and organized Monday through Sunday, laid out with two other
42:22
options per day labeled WHOA, this is serious Sunday night prep work. This
42:29
is me at nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, where I'm
42:31
moving my furniture from one side of the room to another. In the middle
42:35
of the night, my parents walk in. I'm like, don't have anything
42:37
else to do. What are you guys up to leave me alone? I'm
42:40
busy here, I'm painting. I was painting my ceilings. I was painting
42:44
my walls. My parents were like, just keep it in these four walls
42:47
in the ceiling, all right, Like that is just what I did to
42:51
cope with what I call busy brain disorder. In fact, my family calls
42:53
a busy brain disorder anxiety, insomnia, depression, all of those things at
42:59
such a young age and not being able to process what that was or understand
43:02
it's now starting to figure out what the heck was going on? You know,
43:07
how are my parents like, well, we'll just give her some whiskey
43:10
and honey and hope for the best. Didn't work out as planned. Not
43:15
the strategy i'd recommend or not, it's not, but apparently that's a good
43:21
tool in the eighties. Yeah, well, well, and then you know,
43:25
when we think about that's what we see with kids and for adults,
43:29
the adults that we work with. You know, whether or not you're diagnosed
43:30
with ADHD or struggle with executive function. You work with a lot of individuals
43:35
struggling with anxiety, and it all comes down to brain how. It's how
43:38
your brain takes in, processes and reacts to information. And so if we
43:44
can again make a brain that's stronger, faster, and more efficient, we
43:47
process that information more accurately, doesn't drain as much energy, and we see
43:52
greater success with productivity. And we haven't been working with adults as long and
43:58
so our data and stead on that is newer than with the kids. But
44:02
adults are self reporting improvements anywhere from like thirty six to forty nine percent in
44:07
improvements and attentional productivity and organization reduction and anxiety. So some really you know,
44:15
it's no one silver bullet, but it's some really meaningful changes that aren't
44:20
coming with the side effects of medication or aren't thank you for helping when you
44:23
remember to take the medication, and then you're you're back to the same place.
44:27
And to be clear, there's a time and a place everybody needs to
44:30
do what works for them. But all too often if it hasn't done,
44:32
the trip appearance and adults don't know what else is available and don't know what
44:37
else to do. So I think it's so important that people know that there
44:39
are tools out there, such as programs like Brain Balance, my book Back
44:45
on Track, that can empower you to lead and create change. Yeah,
44:50
and get back on track or get on a track. Sometimes I feel like
44:55
I'm derailed and they're like, oh my god, how am I going to
45:00
get this? Caboos going? Like it? Sometimes it takes a lot to
45:04
get this train movement in the morning. You know, a lot of those
45:06
reasons is pain and insomnia because I'm up all night. I was up before.
45:09
I lived in pain. Right now, you add the pain component to
45:13
it, and it's like, like you told my sweetie this morning we were
45:15
up really early early, and she was like, how did you sleep last?
45:19
And I'm like, why do you ask this question every morning? Why
45:21
do you do this? It's just torture. That's like, what do you
45:24
say The answer is if I slept? Well, I'll tell you that's exactly
45:30
right. I think. So let's look at the impact that has on you.
45:32
Though I start my day with that question instead of hey, let's make
45:38
it. I'll go there, you know, starting with a negative, but
45:42
you look at you know, I think about each day. We wake up
45:44
and picture each morning you wake up and I've handed you one hundred one dollar
45:47
bill. So you wake up and you've got one hundred dollars to spend for
45:50
the day. That's what I think of as our attentional resources. But then
45:53
when you're in chronic pain, you just woke up and now instead of one
45:58
hundred dollars every day, you've got seventy dollars to spend every day. And
46:00
if you didn't sleep well, now you're down another ten or twenty dollars.
46:04
So, no matter how brilliant your brain is, you've got an upheld battle
46:08
when you're in pain. Stress is another thing. When we're facing times of
46:14
stress or when we're facing times of change, that drains the resources from our
46:17
brain. So when we think about trauma again, it's going to drain resources.
46:22
There's all these things that take away from our abilities. And so again,
46:27
regardless of your level of brilliance and what an amazing person you are,
46:30
it makes every day things harder and you've got fewer resources to try to accomplish
46:36
the same amount of things you do. Give me a sense of hope in
46:40
this, and I love that the business of brain balance is based on data.
46:46
Hello, it's not just like woo woo. You know, hey,
46:51
there is a place for woo woo. I am a huge wo Wu person,
46:53
but there's also a place for non woo woo. And this is a
46:58
great place for us to start, not just says as parents that have children
47:00
that might have some issues. I don't know one parent in my life right
47:04
now that does not have a kid that they're dealing with right now, and
47:07
the struggle is real. And then you add two, three, four.
47:10
I've got a girlfriend that's got seven kids. I'm like, what is wrong
47:14
with you for that number anyway? But you know, like, I don't
47:15
even know how I would do that. I have no kids, and I'm
47:19
like, well, let's be real, I'm sweet as kind of a kid,
47:22
but you know they all are. But you know what I mean,
47:23
It's like I've got dogs, I've got my bot, I've got him,
47:25
I've got the show, I've got his show, We've got our businesses,
47:29
We've got all these things. So there's always stuff going on. Stress level
47:31
has not gone down, not at all. And chronic stress is such a
47:36
huge component of my brain health. I know that to be true. And
47:38
I've been making some pretty good sweeping changes though on stress reduction, and I
47:44
did them, like fairly recently and fairly quick. I put up more boundaries
47:49
in Q four of twenty twenty three than I've done in my entire life.
47:52
I'm like, Nope. The word no is incredibly powerful, and with that
47:59
comes so much more healthy decisions that I make that wrap around stress reduction,
48:05
that wrap around taking care of me self care, journaling and reading and all
48:08
the things that they tell us to do, but just things that like are
48:10
important to me, that need to be done that end up well, fine,
48:15
I'll just do that tomorrow. Yeah. Well, and to me,
48:19
I love what you're talking about with the power of saying no, and what
48:22
a relief that can be in setting up boundaries. But when you look at
48:25
things through the lens of brain health, it gives you permission to say no,
48:30
permission to say I don't function as well when I'm exhausted, and adding
48:34
that is going to increase my fatigue and stress. So to protect my brain
48:37
health, I'm going to say no to that right now. Ask again this
48:40
time next year I might have a different answer for you, But this year,
48:44
for my brain health estate, I'm going to say no. And one
48:46
of the things that you hear me say all the time is I always say
48:49
a tired brain as a negative brain. And one of my this is a
48:52
pet peeve of mine, is you know, think happy thoughts, positive thoughts.
48:55
Yes, I'm tend to be a positive, upbeat person. But it's
49:00
easy to think positive thoughts when you're not under stress and when you're rested and
49:05
your brain has fuel when you eat course, But if you're exhausted and you
49:10
haven't eaten well, if your brain health is not in a good place,
49:15
asking somebody to think happy thoughts is really really challenging. And now we're forcing
49:20
something that the brain's not there to support. So I think as we empower
49:24
ourselves, as we empower our kids, its awareness. So when I wake
49:29
up in the morning and I'm driving my son to school and I'm cranky,
49:34
I start asking myself a list of questions. Did I get enough sleep last
49:37
night? Did I have breakfast this morning? Can I fit in a run
49:42
some exercise this morning? What can I do in this moment to influence my
49:46
brain health state in this moment that's going to allow me to naturally think happy
49:52
thoughts. So rather than trying to force happy thoughts when you're not there.
49:54
What can I make my state? Yeah, damn it, I am so
49:59
happy right now. But if I put my brain health in a good state,
50:04
the positive thoughts are going to come naturally. And then when I practice
50:08
gratitude and do these things, it's going to continue to just cascade and snowball.
50:14
And so it's looking at what can I influence so that I can reduce
50:20
my stress level. Is a way to reduce stress because sleep is a big
50:24
thing, but I don't always have time in the morning to go take a
50:28
nap to make my brain happier throughout the day. Or maybe you're I also
50:31
don't know what this word nap is. We've got my hom We've got now
50:36
we're going to put together a quick little cheat sheet from the Dictionary of Miriam
50:39
for all of you that don't know some of these big words she's using.
50:44
Which is very sad. It is very sad because the calming thing I don't
50:47
know. I don't even know this word. Like even when I spend money
50:52
to go to like a day spot for the day, I cannot wait to
50:54
get out of there. I am like I have so much to do,
50:59
which is ridiculd give yourself the opportunity to relax and de stress. And that's
51:05
one of the reasons. Right. Normally when we travel, we do like
51:08
go hard. Like We'll go to Italy and we are there the entire time.
51:12
I in my wheelchair doing like the coliseum over like you know, hundreds
51:15
of years old cobblestones, you know. But this year we were like,
51:19
you know what, let's just go and do nothing. We had no plans,
51:22
which I'm a super planner, OCD all of it, and we had
51:25
no plans. The only thing we had was an airline ticket and a ride
51:29
to and from the resort. That was all we had. That was it.
51:32
Then we never left the resort. We never left it. You know
51:36
what. It didn't beautiful. Did we feel guilty? No? And that
51:40
was weird because I was expecting my brain to be on fire all crazy out
51:45
about I wasn't working, I wasn't working on the show, I wasn't doing
51:47
this, I wasn't doing what are all the things that Lindsay's not doing right
51:51
now? Instead I was like, what are all the things that Lindsay's not
51:54
doing right now? It was very interesting and it was a good exercise for
51:59
both of us to do because we're both wound up so much too, and
52:01
we feed into each other. And that's something that we're working on too,
52:06
is we're both wild and crazy and loud and obnoxious and zero calm and all
52:09
of that. So we both have to work on how we how we both
52:15
respond to each other's stressors and how he's a little bit more impatient than I
52:19
am in some places, and so you know, we're trying to work on
52:22
that together. And so it takes a village to get through our lives,
52:27
you know, and relying on people like yourself and finding people like you is
52:31
so incredibly wonderful, and I'm so grateful to have met you and to learn
52:36
more and read your book and to learn yet again how amazing our brain is
52:39
and that there is hope for people like myself where we I really have some
52:45
massive challenges that I'm going to be faced with over the next couple of years.
52:49
But I know that now and I've accepted it, and now I'm like,
52:52
it's go time, baby, when to go tidy? How many people
52:57
our age are, you know, as we start to look at our peers
53:00
and how our parents are aging, and we worry about you know, what
53:02
is my state, but to know or what is my state future state going
53:07
to be, But to know there's things that we can be doing right now,
53:09
right now to optimize how we feel in function today. But it also
53:13
builds towards a healthier future. And I have to tell you one of the
53:16
comments that you made right before we started filming was maybe one of my favorite
53:21
book feedback comments I've gotten. As you said, you went through and read
53:24
the book the first time, reading about kids, and how you know the
53:29
book and development and the information about kids, and then you went back and
53:32
read it a second time and you read it for yourself. I read it
53:35
as a kid, and you saw yourself and how you saw things in yourself
53:40
as a middle schooler, of areas that were impacted, and saw how those
53:45
things are impacting you now today, how development as a child impacts us now.
53:52
But this is where the brain can change at any age, and so
53:55
having an understanding of what areas are off track gives us the power and the
54:00
guidance. It's directional. Here's if we know where there's a deficit or a
54:06
challenge, then we it gives us a directional guidance of what can we do
54:09
to support that, And all too often what I see people jump to is
54:14
practicing what they're deficient. If that is going to do the trick, you
54:17
wouldn't need to practice it. If you're a child, or if you're an
54:20
adult who struggles with attention, you've been practicing attention your whole life. Yeah,
54:23
you've got an Academy award in that, Okay, right, If practicing
54:29
attention is going to improve attention, you wouldn't need helput attention. It's foundational
54:34
development, it's our sensory system, it's all of those pieces that culminate an
54:38
attention. So we need to go back and fill in those brain health gaps,
54:44
fill in those developmental gaps that lead naturally to enhanced attention. So to
54:49
me, whether you know we're talking about an eighty year old, a six
54:52
year old, a forty year old, or a twelve year old or a
54:53
two year old, it all comes back to development. What can we do
54:57
to optimize development every step of the way so that you get to benefit for
55:00
the lifespan from that healthy brain and healthy development. Oh my gosh, you
55:07
are amazing, and for so many different reasons. Not only are you just
55:10
adorable to look at and to talk to you, but you're just it's easy
55:15
to talk to you about this topic because so many people that I've talked to
55:19
about brain it's so damn clinical and it's so hard to interpret. I mean
55:25
some people can, Okay, great, I like the element of this show
55:30
and the way that we talk about things that are clinical, but then we
55:32
can talk about it like normal, real people that don't have to have PhDs
55:37
to understand this. We've got parents that are like, hello, I need
55:40
help, and I don't know any of these things that you just rattled off
55:44
to me. Now I got to go home and google it, and now
55:46
everybody in my family is dead because I went to Google and I googled everything
55:50
that you just said. If it's not accessible, it's not helpful. If
55:55
you just stole my word right out of my mouth. Accessibility. No,
55:59
No, it's totally fine. Accessible because and that's why your book is so
56:02
neat too, because it's it's it's backed by sight. Oh my gosh,
56:07
the one part what did you call it? What do you call these little
56:09
things inside of your book? Hold on the science moments? What are they?
56:13
Science alerts? Science alerts? I was like, oh my god,
56:16
it's so good because I like that because it's like there's all this stuff that's
56:21
scientific, but it's it's so easy to understand. But then I love that
56:23
you drop in like, guess what, there's actually science behind these guys people,
56:28
you know, and that part is really good too. So everything that
56:30
you do is accessible, but it's also backed by data and science and studies
56:34
and all that, and that just it rounds you out as a human that's
56:37
trying to do such wonderful things for the children of our world as well as
56:40
us crazy wack of do as adults like myself. And I know that you
56:45
guys are more new, more new, let's go with that in the adult
56:50
side of things. But all of the work that you've done for children,
56:52
we turn into adults. So I feel like you guys are good. We
56:58
are and back for seeing it in the data. And you know, it
57:00
was interesting when we when we started to dip our toes more and more into
57:04
working with adults, because for a decade adults have been saying, where's the
57:07
program for me? Right? Hello, we're raising these crazy people. We
57:12
need it out right, Like you're working with my child that was me and
57:15
now I've grown up and you know, so we kind of edged our way
57:20
in. Of course, we worked with college students and then we and you
57:22
know, we had this mentality of old brains harder to change things. Guess
57:27
what, our college kids knocked it out of the water. Percentage wise,
57:31
they did more growth than a shorter amount of time. Our adults are doing
57:36
phenomenal. So loves old brain. Yes, there's layers of onions, there's
57:39
you know, all sorts of complications. You know, there's trauma, there's
57:43
history, there's environment, but we are seeing over and over that change is
57:46
just as possible for adult brains as it is for the developing brain. So
57:51
there is unique opportunity in the developing brain because so much is happening so quickly.
57:55
There's these these massive growth spurts, but it's never too late. Well,
58:00
thank you for that, because that gives me certain hope, because I
58:04
do feel on some days where I'm like, well, I guess I'm just
58:07
stuck with scrambled egg brain for the rest of my life. This is it.
58:09
I've got this hum in the back of my head that's just going to
58:13
be there forever. Got my fingers are numb and they're buzzing like I'm holding
58:16
something that's vibrating in them. This is fantastic, Like it's just the weirdest
58:21
stuff that's going on in my bot and I am wholeheartedly, one hundred percent
58:25
believe that the majority of it is in my brain. So your brain is
58:30
everything. We're getting my brain back on track, guys, or on a
58:31
track. That's what we're going to do together. Thank you so much for
58:36
being here today. I want to keep talking to you, but we can't.
58:40
But is there anything that you would like to leave our listeners with before
58:43
we kick the can down whatever track we're on. You know we covered so
58:47
much, listeners, welcome to reach out. You can find me on Instagram,
58:52
on LinkedIn. I'm at doctor Rebecca Jackson dot com. Brain Dances is
58:57
here to help kids and adults and again it's open an action plan to improve
59:04
brain health and development. I love it so very much and pick up her
59:07
book Back on Track. It is not only an incredible read. I've read
59:10
it twice, I've read it as a kid and as an adult. Back
59:15
on Track, a practical guide to help kids and adults of all ages,
59:19
thrived by doctor Rebecca Jackson. Thank you so much for your time today.
59:22
You can find her at doctor Rebecca Jackson dot com. Find her on all
59:24
the socials. You can find out all through your website. It has just
59:28
been a pleasure and I'm so happy to have you in my life now and
59:30
I can't wait to see what's coming up next with you, babe. Same
59:36
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