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National Championship Preview, Transfer Portal, Importance of GM's in College Football · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume.
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Speaker 2: What is going On Everybody? John middlecop three Now Podcasts
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Speaker 2: brought to you by my friends at Zone Pouches. Today
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Speaker 2: we will have on Josh Pate, who was just reported
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Speaker 2: the other day the ESPN is gonna build a show
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Speaker 2: around the guy, college football up and coming star, known
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Speaker 2: him now for a couple of years. And we recorded
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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week because I'm probably currently at
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Speaker 2: the hospital, just grinding along as a father, no big deal,
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Speaker 2: and we talked a lot of college football, had him
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Speaker 2: on for a while. Obviously, you can see it if
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Speaker 2: you go subscribe to the podcast on Netflix. All of
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Speaker 2: our videos are now on Netflix. Go check that out.
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Speaker 2: And yesterday we had Stucky breaking down the games, diving
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Speaker 2: deep into the point spreads and all the different angles,
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Speaker 2: as well as the National Championship game. Have on Pate
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Speaker 2: which talking transfer portal, the craziness, signetti, a little bit
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Speaker 2: of everything college football guy, big big fan of my
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Speaker 2: bald brother Josh. So that will be the game plan
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Speaker 2: this weekend. I don't think we will have reaction on
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Speaker 2: Saturday nights. It's just I'll probably still be at the hospital,
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Speaker 2: so Sunday it should be go as planned. But again
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Speaker 2: you never know. It's a little out of my hands.
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Speaker 2: I'm recording this part on Wednesday, so we'll just we'll
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Speaker 2: play her by ear. Let's just say that, and hopefully
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Speaker 2: everyone is going to have a good weekend and enjoy
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Speaker 2: the games and we will talk soon. But if you
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Speaker 2: the three and Out podcast, Apple, Spotify, you guys know
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Speaker 2: the trill. And let's just dive into Josh okay, very
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Speaker 2: very excited. I would say he'd be excited to come
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Speaker 2: on Netflix. But the reality is, every time I go
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Speaker 2: to the gym in the morning, it had to be
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Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. I look up. There's Stephen A. Smith,
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Speaker 2: Cameron Newton, and Josh Pate arguing about college football, and
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Speaker 2: I thought, my bald brother here. I mean, it has
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Speaker 2: to be a little bit of a pinch me moment,
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Speaker 2: Like it's pretty cool, you know, I'm just arguing with
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Speaker 2: Cam Newton about college football. Takes. This guy's had a
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Speaker 2: hell of a year from getting married to all over
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Speaker 2: the place with college football. Josh, how you doing, man.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing good. You're talking about me being the one
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Speaker 1: that's had a busy year. You're the one the other
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Speaker 1: day where I'm looking at breaking news and I'm gonna Luckily,
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Speaker 1: I already subscribe to Netflix, and you know they've they've
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Speaker 1: been showing like the advertisements for the new shows. They're
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Speaker 1: about to pop up. Am I about to see you
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Speaker 1: on one of those teaser screens? Or we're gonna have
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Speaker 1: one of those sexy Middle Cough pictures with it like
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Speaker 1: an animated Mike and some lightning bolts. Is it already
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Speaker 1: happening and I haven't seen it yet? What's the deal?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, They've told me to get on the pate the
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Speaker 2: gym plan and hit and pump that iron so I
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Speaker 2: get maybe hopefully in the next month, we can get
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Speaker 2: like a shirtless you know, glistening photo or something. Then
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're gonna see, like, you know,
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Speaker 2: some famous actor and then Middle Cough pops up. You're like,
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Speaker 2: what is going on here?
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Speaker 1: The secret, by the way, is to structure your day
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Speaker 1: in such a way where first thing in the morning,
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Speaker 1: you're working and people say, look at him grinding. Late
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Speaker 1: at night you're working and people are saying, look at
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Speaker 1: him grinding. What they don't know is the middle of
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Speaker 1: your day is wide open. That's when you go to
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Speaker 1: the gym.
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Speaker 2: I like, you, you know, grew up loving sports talk radio. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: you know, listening to Colin and stuff. So you know, Greenberg,
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Speaker 2: Mike and Mike. Living on the West Coast, it was
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Speaker 2: a little different that they sometimes, you know, they start
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Speaker 2: so early. But when I lived in Philly and going
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Speaker 2: on with him, I would imagine, I mean, it's Mike's
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Speaker 2: i mean, an all time driver of a show. But
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Speaker 2: the stephen A experience and first Take. Can you just
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Speaker 2: explain that to us what that's like. I mean, obviously
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Speaker 2: you're just talking football, so it comes natural. But is
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Speaker 2: there a different mindset going into the to the belly
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Speaker 2: of the beast knowing, okay, I gotta got some takes here.
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Speaker 1: Yeah? It. So here's the way that worked. I was
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Speaker 1: in New York a few weeks ago doing Get Up.
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Speaker 1: The Get Up studios right next to First Take. There's
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Speaker 1: literally a wall separating the two, and it was going
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Speaker 1: into the playoffs. So we had a full loaded college
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Speaker 1: football show, which in and of itself is so refreshing
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Speaker 1: that I mean, they're letting you come into ESPN those
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Speaker 1: big morning shows and you're just loading it with college football. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: love that, love being a part of it. So towards
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Speaker 1: the end of the show, they came over, the producers
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Speaker 1: came over and said, can you come do the first
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes a first take? So we're on a tight
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Speaker 1: travel schedule, had to work that out. I go over
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Speaker 1: there and I walk in and Ryan Clark's in there,
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Speaker 1: Orlabsky came over there with me because he had been
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Speaker 1: doing the previous show. Steven A's in there, and Shake
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Speaker 1: Cornett's in there, and on get up. I mean, you've
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Speaker 1: got a pretty established rundown. You sat in a production meeting.
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Speaker 1: This is a lot more on the fly. And I said,
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Speaker 1: is there anything specifically you're looking to do? They said,
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Speaker 1: just rip. We're just gonna go for twenty minutes. Don't worry,
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Speaker 1: like we'll drive it. Let's just go. John. It was
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Speaker 1: the most It was the most like my YouTube show
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Speaker 1: or like a talk radio format that you could possibly
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Speaker 1: imagine being on live TV. And we I think we
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Speaker 1: probably blew through a break if truth were told, and
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Speaker 1: we just went about college football and it was awesome. Now,
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Speaker 1: I will say this, there was so little time. You
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Speaker 1: didn't really have time to think about what you're doing.
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Speaker 1: You're just you walk right in the studio, they mic
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Speaker 1: you up. Two minutes to air, one minute to air,
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Speaker 1: thirty five four three two one, we're live. Play the bumper,
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Speaker 1: play the animations, do the teases, and we're on. But
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Speaker 1: it's so natural because you're not being asked to talk
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Speaker 1: about something that you're unfamiliar with, which is sort of
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Speaker 1: the blessing. Like I think you would probably agree with this,
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Speaker 1: it's the blessing of the modern digital media age, sort
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Speaker 1: of the on demand digital media age. Folks like me,
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Speaker 1: folks like you, folks like even Colin. Nowadays, you can
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Speaker 1: choose which lanes you want to live in. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to be a generalist if you don't want to
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Speaker 1: be a generalist. Now those shows cover everything. But when
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Speaker 1: you can go in there and just get a twenty
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Speaker 1: minute block of time and Steven a, I mean, he's
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Speaker 1: sitting there, that's the biggest name in sports media, and
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Speaker 1: he defers to you, and Ryan Clark sits there and
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Speaker 1: kind of defers to you and gives you plenty of
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Speaker 1: room to operate. It's awesome. I love it. And that's
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Speaker 1: a very very professional operation, especially from like a production standpoint.
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Speaker 1: And I say that, people may think, oh, that's duh, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they're pros. I don't mean that. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: you would know this. A lot of people listening don't
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Speaker 1: know this. There's a glaring difference when you first get
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Speaker 1: into our business of the kinds of people you work
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Speaker 1: with in production, because you assume they're all pros and
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Speaker 1: they're not. When you're around professionals, it makes your job
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Speaker 1: so easy. It makes your job so easy from a
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Speaker 1: talent standpoint, if you want to call yourselves that. When
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Speaker 1: you got big time professionals behind the scenes producing you you.
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Speaker 2: Know the number one question I get if I'm just
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Speaker 2: out and about and someone comes up, Hey, I love
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Speaker 2: the show, start talking football. Obviously. I mean it's a
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Speaker 2: great conversation starter for me, I'm sure for you. In America,
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Speaker 2: you go anywhere someone wants to talk, they always ask
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Speaker 2: what's Colin like? What's Colin like? And obviously you know
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Speaker 2: I sing his praises. I mean, he's been incredible to
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Speaker 2: me and is down to earth and cool. I would
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Speaker 2: say the same thing for steven A. Smith. I have
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Speaker 2: way more dealings with Colin and been around way more.
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Speaker 2: But I've met steven A. Couple of times. One time
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Speaker 2: he had to do a radio show when I was
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Speaker 2: doing stuff in the Bay Area, and he just like BSD,
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Speaker 2: he was all done. He couldn't have been any cooler,
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Speaker 2: like he's actually I think, you know the persona and
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Speaker 2: stuff on television, and I haven't been around him a
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Speaker 2: long time, but I remember thinking he was a big
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Speaker 2: deal at the time, like this guy was just down
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Speaker 2: to earth. We were like bsing about Steph Curry or whatever.
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Speaker 2: But I think a lot of these guys, the perception
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Speaker 2: sometimes on online takes on something different than it actually is,
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Speaker 2: and that's just kind of the nature of the beast
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Speaker 2: that we're in now. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The other thing that you learned back in the day,
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Speaker 1: when you had like three or four options, you were
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Speaker 1: just getting fed what you were getting fed, take it
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Speaker 1: or leave it, like it or not. In our world,
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Speaker 1: I can't stress enough how much a post on demand
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Speaker 1: world we live in where if you can see through someone,
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Speaker 1: they're dead water. From a four months or on air standpoint,
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna last because there are too many you
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Speaker 1: can't see through, Like Colin Cowhard for a long time,
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Speaker 1: you can't see through him because who he is on
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Speaker 1: airs who he is off air. I used to get
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Speaker 1: tricked early in the days of listening to Colin into
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Speaker 1: thinking he's just being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.
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Speaker 1: This was pre hot take existing as a phrase. I
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Speaker 1: thought he was doing that when I very first listened
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Speaker 1: to him, this when he first got to ESPN Radio.
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Speaker 1: I came to learn over time, No, he's not doing that.
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Speaker 1: He just has a different viewpoint on the world which
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Speaker 1: overlaps with his viewpoint on sports, and because of that,
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Speaker 1: him speaking his mind is gonna sound different than most
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Speaker 1: of the crowd does. Well, then you fast forward twenty
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Speaker 1: five years, twenty years, or however long it's been since then,
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Speaker 1: I think the same thing about Stephen A. Smith, now
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Speaker 1: that I've been blessed enough to work with him and
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Speaker 1: like talk with him on record, talk with him off record.
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Speaker 3: It.
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Speaker 1: Yes, there's a lot of theatrical element to it. Yes
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Speaker 1: it's very flamboyant. Yes it's very in your phase. It's loud,
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Speaker 1: sometimes it's brash, but it's who he is off camera too,
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Speaker 1: so you don't see through it. It's not fake. And
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Speaker 1: so at that point I feel the same way about myself.
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Speaker 1: Although I'm nothing like him or nothing like Colin. Just
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Speaker 1: being yourself on air is the ticket.
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Speaker 2: You know. College football is obviously something that's near and
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Speaker 2: dear to your heart you love a lot. I do
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Speaker 2: think this transactional nature of the sport over the last
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Speaker 2: three or four years has helped it out from a
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Speaker 2: popularity standpoint. More people have opinions, more people are paying attention,
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Speaker 2: even if it has kind of jumped the shark and
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Speaker 2: it's all over the place, and you know, you're talking
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Speaker 2: to these coaches and I would imagine over you know,
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Speaker 2: as your show has just blown up the amount of
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Speaker 2: general managers and stuff that you know now, which obviously,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they're the guys running point on a lot
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Speaker 2: of this stuff. I mean, these college When I became
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Speaker 2: a recruiting GA and eight in two thousand and eight
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Speaker 2: at Fresno State, there was not a personnel guy in
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Speaker 2: the country. It kind of started in like nine or
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Speaker 2: ten with Manowitz with Bama, and then it kind of
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Speaker 2: took off from there. And obviously as the Saban disciples
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Speaker 2: went now it's I mean, there are personnel departments like
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Speaker 2: the NFL. And you said last time I had you on,
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Speaker 2: keep an eye that this role is gonna be completely
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Speaker 2: different than what it is now. And there're gonna be
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Speaker 2: a lot of guys liking the NFL that when the
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Speaker 2: coach leaves, they run point on the on the coachings.
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Speaker 2: We're not quite there yet, but it's clear over the
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Speaker 2: next five years it is going to rapidly change because
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Speaker 2: of the power. I mean, Texas gonna have a forty
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Speaker 2: million dollar roster. I mean, these general managers, their importance.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's just you could argue it's even more
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Speaker 2: important than the NFL because of the wild wild West
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Speaker 2: nature of landing a player.
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Speaker 1: Now, it's funny you mentioned Ed because I was at
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Speaker 1: the Peach Bowl last week. First person I see on
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Speaker 1: the field as Ed Mannoitz. He works at CAAA and
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Speaker 1: now he represents Pete Golding among the other guys. So
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Speaker 1: he was kind of at both games. First words out
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Speaker 1: of his mouth. Can you believe how this thing operates? Now?
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Speaker 1: And so that's Ed Taal, who was once at the
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Speaker 1: forefront of that picture. I say, a generation go, it's
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Speaker 1: like ten or fifteen years ago. So think about what
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Speaker 1: you said.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he still is right. He's Jimmy's right hand
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Speaker 2: man now.
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Speaker 1: Right, just on a different frontier. Yeah, so think about
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Speaker 1: what you said, because you're right. We talked about that
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Speaker 1: last time, and I remember I remember looking at some
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Speaker 1: of the comments and the feedback was, Oh, you're crazy
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Speaker 1: if you think that athletic directors are ever going to
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Speaker 1: let general managers handle coaching hires. No, it's the exact opposite.
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Speaker 1: Athletic directors are relieved beyond belief when they can hire
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Speaker 1: a general manager and let the general manager hire a
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Speaker 1: head coach. Like what do you think is more intimidating
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Speaker 1: and daunting an AD trying to hire an actual football
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Speaker 1: coach or an AD hiring essentially a general to then
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Speaker 1: build the army and then the general answers to him like,
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Speaker 1: of course, the further removed. A lot of these ads
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Speaker 1: can get from meat and potatoes football decisions the better
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Speaker 1: because they're also hiring a basketball coach, they're hiring baseball
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Speaker 1: they're an athletic directorotball director. That's the first thing. The
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Speaker 1: second thing is a lot of guys and women who
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Speaker 1: are athletic directors are ads because they happen to be
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Speaker 1: the best fundraiser around. That's not a bad thing. I
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Speaker 1: don't say that pejoratively. I'm saying it to list their qualifications,
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Speaker 1: and they are many, but one of them is normally
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Speaker 1: not ooh, football is in my wheelhouse. So it is.
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Speaker 1: It's a welcome change to these people to be able
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Speaker 1: to hire a general manager. And because that's the climate,
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Speaker 1: then I just think it's been a matter of time.
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Speaker 1: It's not an if, but a win. You're gonna see
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Speaker 1: head coaches get fired by a general manager with the
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Speaker 1: endorsement of the AD, of course, and then the GM
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Speaker 1: sticks around and he fills the building over and over again.
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Speaker 2: I want to read you a tweet from Kevin Clark
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Speaker 2: and he said, I'm on the radio with Mike Tannenbaum
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Speaker 2: and he just told me an amazing story. He was
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Speaker 2: talking to a power for head coach this week who
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Speaker 2: got a list from an agent of all his free agents.
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Speaker 2: One of the players was on his team. He hasn't
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Speaker 2: told anyone on the staff that he wants to leave
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Speaker 2: or even hinted at unhappiness. How often are coaches that
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Speaker 2: you talk to finding out about players that they thought
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Speaker 2: like great relationship? Are paying this guy a lot of money?
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Speaker 2: That is it? The agent? I mean, are a lot
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Speaker 2: of these guys, you know, it's not the player's idea.
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Speaker 2: You know, they're kind of doing the fake portal where
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Speaker 2: they're not in the portal, but they're definitely sniffing around.
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Speaker 2: What's it like out there on the streets. And I
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Speaker 2: know you this is not your favorite topic, but it, obviously,
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Speaker 2: I mean, is probably the biggest topic in college football.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not a favorite topic of mine because of
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Speaker 1: the answer to the question you just asked. The answer
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Speaker 1: is everybody's dealing with that. It's frequent, it's commonplace. I
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Speaker 1: would My answer, I guess is better put this way.
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Speaker 1: I would be shocked if a coach told me they
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Speaker 1: didn't deal with any of that in a cycle. Everybody's
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Speaker 1: dealing with it. And just imagine that now, just imagine.
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Speaker 1: I know, no one like Kirby Smart has a really
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Speaker 1: famous saying, you can't from the yacht. No one feels
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Speaker 1: sorry for these guys. They're making ten plus million dollars
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Speaker 1: a year in some cases, I get all that. Let's
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Speaker 1: pretend they're making ten billion a year. My point in
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Speaker 1: principle still remains, and that is you're asking guys to
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Speaker 1: build a football program, and when and Kurt Signetti is
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Speaker 1: a glaring example of how vital it is to have consistency, continuity, synergy.
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Speaker 1: You know, a team in other words, ideally guys that
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Speaker 1: have played together multiple years. You're asking them to do
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Speaker 1: that while at the same time dealing with annual free agency.
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Speaker 1: And so you can't go down this road, John, like,
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Speaker 1: as soon as you turn down the road, the argument
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Speaker 1: becomes discombobulated and dishonest in many cases because people just
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Speaker 1: start shouting from fifty thousand feet and it's like, can
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Speaker 1: we just drill down on one issue at a time,
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Speaker 1: and then another issue and then another issue. But as
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Speaker 1: soon as you turn down the road of even broaching
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Speaker 1: how insane the current climate is, you got one side
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Speaker 1: that yells, you know, well, what are you against players
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Speaker 1: being paid? It's like, no, no one ever said that,
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Speaker 1: Nor am I against pros in the NFL being paid.
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Speaker 1: I just think that I am pro compensation and really
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Speaker 1: pro structure and governance and guidelines and an understanding day
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Speaker 1: to day what the rules are. So then the follow
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Speaker 1: up question from the other side of the aisle is Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: how are you going to enforce that? There's no answer
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Speaker 1: to that right now. I've even gone back and forth.
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Speaker 1: Like me personally, I've gone back and forth on what
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Speaker 1: I think the best course of action is because at
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Speaker 1: my core, like I'm a traditionalist sort of guy in
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Speaker 1: college football, I'm not totally rigid and anti change, but
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Speaker 1: I don't think all change is good. I think a
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Speaker 1: lot of the changes that have happened in college football,
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Speaker 1: even if they've temporarily led to spikes in viewership like
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Speaker 1: you talked about, could be to the long term detriment.
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Speaker 1: And I think my biggest problem we could talk about
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Speaker 1: playoff expansion conversation just as much as we can talk
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Speaker 1: about portal governance or like thereof and lack of a plan.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it just feels like a lot of the
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Speaker 1: folks who are in decision making positions in college athletics
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Speaker 1: treat college football like a rental car. You've driven one,
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Speaker 1: I've driven one. You know good and well. You take
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Speaker 1: care of a rental car far differently than you take
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Speaker 1: care of your family car, because you know the rental
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Speaker 1: is going to be dropped off in seventy two hours.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what shape it's in two years from now.
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Speaker 1: For you, it's not your problem. I feel like a
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Speaker 1: lot of people treat college athletics the same way right now,
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Speaker 1: let me get what I can out of it. It's
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Speaker 1: not my problem what it looks like five years down
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Speaker 1: the road. And then on the other side, if you're
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Speaker 1: talking about representation, Steve Sarkijan went off on this the
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Speaker 1: other day and he was right about it, and Texas
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Speaker 1: is a beneficiary of the current model, and he was
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Speaker 1: still right about it. And he's talking about what's been
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Speaker 1: a problem for a while, and that is what does
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Speaker 1: it take to be an agent in college football? And
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Speaker 1: the answer is putting agent in your Twitter bio. That's
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Speaker 1: all it takes. There's no accreditation, there's no checks and balances,
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Speaker 1: there's no certification that you have to get. There are
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Speaker 1: no standardized compensation tables or anything like that. And as
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Speaker 1: a result, you've got horrific decisions being made, many times
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Speaker 1: at the behest of a player putting their faith in
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Speaker 1: an agent. And I'm using air quotes there in case
17:14
Speaker 1: you're not watching the video version, and it's look, aside
17:18
Speaker 1: from just how bad it is for the sport long term,
17:20
Speaker 1: it's really sad for players because those players are like
17:24
Speaker 1: they get labeled as selfish, they're just making the best
17:27
Speaker 1: decisions they know how to make. Sometimes they got very
17:29
Speaker 1: little guidance. They got very little. They don't have a
17:33
Speaker 1: north star in many cases in their lives, and they
17:36
Speaker 1: got adults giving them horrible advice they don't know any better.
17:39
Speaker 2: In many cases, Well, we're dudes, eighteen nineteen twenty. You
17:43
Speaker 2: don't even need any money in your bank account to
17:45
Speaker 2: make dumb decisions. I can't even imagine what it's like.
17:47
Speaker 2: I mean, one issue I think college football has and
17:51
Speaker 2: the is it demand Williams the quarterback at Washington, you know,
17:55
Speaker 2: And I think Lucas, the kid that got kicked out
17:58
Speaker 2: for targeting for Miami. Is he's part of the Wisconsin
18:01
Speaker 2: transfer that became a big deal, right, getting suit or whatever.
18:05
Speaker 2: Is Let's just take the big ten in the SEC,
18:06
Speaker 2: which are the money drivers in terms of the conference
18:09
Speaker 2: for the sport. Like if Lane had pulled off stealing
18:13
Speaker 2: the kid from Washington, the quarterback like LSU's, you know,
18:18
Speaker 2: administration wouldn't care, the SEC wouldn't care. But you know
18:22
Speaker 2: in the NFL, the Jags wouldn't do that to the
18:25
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, who wouldn't do that to the Giants
18:26
Speaker 2: because they're all in business together, They're all under the
18:29
Speaker 2: same umbrella. They all follow the same rules, and if
18:31
Speaker 2: you break them, you typically get hammered. So everyone's like
18:35
Speaker 2: kind of pulling in the same direction. Even though on
18:37
Speaker 2: the field you're competing and trying to beat each other.
18:39
Speaker 2: Off the field, you're all hand in hand trying to
18:42
Speaker 2: get rich. That's not really the case, right the SEC,
18:46
Speaker 2: I mean, big picture, in the playoffs and stuff, they
18:48
Speaker 2: all benefit. But really the SEC's folks on the SEC,
18:50
Speaker 2: the Big Ten's folks on the Big Ten. And as
18:52
Speaker 2: long as you have kind of that, I would say, disconnect,
18:56
Speaker 2: Like who cares. It's one thing the coaches try to
18:59
Speaker 2: screw each other, ever, but the administrations and the presidents
19:02
Speaker 2: and the commissioners, I don't think they really care if
19:05
Speaker 2: that situation would have played out. Because like your boys
19:09
Speaker 2: with maguire right at Texas Tech, the quarterback they just signed,
19:13
Speaker 2: they had to give is this true, Cincinnati a million dollars?
19:17
Speaker 2: Yes they did, so you know that, Like, you know,
19:22
Speaker 2: that's a pretty big deal if you can enforce these things.
19:25
Speaker 2: But that's the most above board thing I've ever heard
19:28
Speaker 2: of in the transfer portal. Right, at least you're following
19:31
Speaker 2: the contract.
19:32
Speaker 1: I've been a proponent. I don't know how you set
19:33
Speaker 1: this up. I'm not a lawyer. I've been a proponent of,
19:36
Speaker 1: especially P four schools taking G five or G five
19:41
Speaker 1: taking FCS players. I've always been a proponent of like
19:45
Speaker 1: a compensation structure that goes back and forth. Otherwise you're
19:49
Speaker 1: just choking off the lifeblood of the level of football
19:52
Speaker 1: below you. I know no one's really thinking about that
19:54
Speaker 1: right now, but I've been a proponent of that. So
19:56
Speaker 1: the other thing you're talking about, I don't know how
19:59
Speaker 1: big into conspiracy theories people are watching, but there's been
20:02
Speaker 1: a college football slash like college athletics conspiracy theory for
20:06
Speaker 1: a while, and it goes a little something like this,
20:09
Speaker 1: The commissioners slash power brokers in the SEC, and the
20:13
Speaker 1: Big ten would really love to form a super league
20:16
Speaker 1: and break away from the rest of college football, and
20:18
Speaker 1: you just keep it all for themselves. That's the conspiracy.
20:21
Speaker 1: Well that's probably not even conspiracy theory. That's probably just true.
20:24
Speaker 1: So the theory goes like this, they can't do it, yet.
20:29
Speaker 1: What they need to do is they need to make
20:31
Speaker 1: college athletics look like such a disaster. Their only recourse
20:35
Speaker 1: is to break away and look out for themselves. Survival
20:38
Speaker 1: of the fittest at that point. And look, I don't
20:40
Speaker 1: know what validity there is to that. I will say this,
20:45
Speaker 1: if that were to be the case, the actions that
20:48
Speaker 1: these people are taking right now wouldn't look much different
20:50
Speaker 1: than they do currently. So I don't know how much
20:54
Speaker 1: validity there is to that conspiracy theory. But to take
20:56
Speaker 1: it a step further, what I mean by that is
20:58
Speaker 1: how do you fix that? How do you govern? How
21:01
Speaker 1: do you put teeth behind your enforcement mechanism? Well, you
21:05
Speaker 1: make sure that you're free of anti trust legislation or
21:09
Speaker 1: anti trust penalty, which means you break away and you
21:13
Speaker 1: form your own entity. And at that point, if LSU
21:15
Speaker 1: is going to be in there and Washington's going to
21:17
Speaker 1: be in there, that's okay. But they're going to agree
21:19
Speaker 1: to abide by a very similar self built governance structure
21:24
Speaker 1: like the Detroit Lions and Jacksonville Jaguars would have to
21:27
Speaker 1: operate under. And if you don't like it, you're not
21:28
Speaker 1: going to be a part of it. We're all going
21:30
Speaker 1: to make plenty enough money here, we're going to work together,
21:32
Speaker 1: and of course we don't really care what it means
21:34
Speaker 1: for Fresno State. We really don't care what it means
21:37
Speaker 1: for Washington State. Now, naturally, I hate that because I
21:41
Speaker 1: am a fan of college football in the whole. I'm
21:44
Speaker 1: not an SEC or a Big ten fan. It does
21:47
Speaker 1: somewhat make sense to me if someone wants to look
21:49
Speaker 1: objectively and say, hey, it's pretty obvious from a resource standpoint,
21:53
Speaker 1: we got about thirty or thirty five schools operating at
21:55
Speaker 1: a different level than the rest of the country. I
21:57
Speaker 1: do understand that. I also understand it's cause the moves
22:01
Speaker 1: you made. You can't go and poach and realign conferences
22:05
Speaker 1: and then look back behind your shoulder and say, boy, wow,
22:07
Speaker 1: the PAC twelve doesn't even exist anymore. Boy Wow, the
22:10
Speaker 1: Big twelve's really lagging behind. Boy the ACC is really
22:12
Speaker 1: lagging behind. Yes, you took all their value properties because
22:16
Speaker 1: you could. I don't think the landscape should be such
22:20
Speaker 1: that you could. That's kind of been my fundamental problem
22:23
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Speaker 2: You're from Georgia originally, right is that where you're and
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Speaker 2: SEC country. This. I do wonder if there's a symbolic
24:48
Speaker 2: portion of this ticket resale market for this National Championship game. Obviously,
24:55
Speaker 2: Indiana historically is a joke, but you can't parallel. Nineteen
25:00
Speaker 2: eighty seven to now, when you can just grab players
25:03
Speaker 2: right by players, he leaves a job, he can take
25:06
Speaker 2: all the players with him. Not taking anything away from Signetti,
25:09
Speaker 2: but what he's done the last couple of years would
25:11
Speaker 2: not have been possible from a roster standpoint eight years ago.
25:15
Speaker 2: It just would right right. And obviously, I mean these
25:19
Speaker 2: I didn't know this. I mean I knew the Big
25:21
Speaker 2: Ten had bigger schools than other, you know, universities around
25:24
Speaker 2: the country and other conferences. But potentially people probably debate this,
25:29
Speaker 2: but Indiana's up for the number one alumni base in
25:32
Speaker 2: the country. And if you just do the law of averages,
25:34
Speaker 2: if I'm producing more kids every year, the likelihood of
25:38
Speaker 2: producing more rich kids is going to be higher, right,
25:41
Speaker 2: even if it's a tiny tiny percent. And obviously Cubans involved.
25:44
Speaker 2: Miami Private School clearly has money. And I do wonder
25:48
Speaker 2: if you look at this, like one question, is the
25:51
Speaker 2: SEC in trouble? Obviously they still are going to be
25:54
Speaker 2: fine because financially they're television deal. But just in terms
25:58
Speaker 2: of the big money guys, Ron Rivera GM at cal
26:02
Speaker 2: cal has more billionaires than anyone in the any school
26:05
Speaker 2: at Harvard included. But like most of them don't care
26:08
Speaker 2: about cal if Ron can convince a couple of those guys, Hey,
26:11
Speaker 2: come out with me, come come to the game. Like
26:14
Speaker 2: I couldn't be the GM for them. You couldn't be
26:16
Speaker 2: the GM for them and probably get calls back. But
26:18
Speaker 2: maybe Ron can't. Hey, former NFL coach, they know who
26:21
Speaker 2: Ron is. Same thing with Luck, right, And I just
26:24
Speaker 2: wonder do you think financially that the SEC who just
26:29
Speaker 2: you know, look at Texas Tech. They got someone that
26:32
Speaker 2: most of the SEC schools don't have. Yeah, I'm sure
26:34
Speaker 2: you saw that Connor Stallion's tweet about you know, the
26:36
Speaker 2: car dealership, which was funny. You know, a lot of
26:39
Speaker 2: people make fun of him, But was there any validity
26:42
Speaker 2: to their lack of I mean, we're talking about one
26:45
Speaker 2: hundred millionaires and billionaires funding these programs. Do you think
26:49
Speaker 2: that's a big picture worry.
26:52
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm from the South. I live in the South.
26:54
Speaker 1: I can tell you it's a huge worry in the South,
26:56
Speaker 1: and even from an ex extension like college football perspective,
27:00
Speaker 1: I would worry about that because think about disproportionately where
27:05
Speaker 1: the If you look at a college football heat map,
27:09
Speaker 1: you know what Atlanta looks like you know what Birmingham
27:11
Speaker 1: looks like, New Orleans, Nashville, like Dallas, Houston. You know
27:16
Speaker 1: those places are really disproportionately where the juice is for
27:20
Speaker 1: college football interest. Well, if you're talking about the lifeblood
27:24
Speaker 1: currently just being how much money you can give of
27:26
Speaker 1: the sport, you're talking about laying those two maps over
27:30
Speaker 1: each other and they don't align. That would concern me
27:34
Speaker 1: a little bit long term. I don't think this is
27:36
Speaker 1: long term because at the next point, I'm gonna make twofold. First,
27:41
Speaker 1: you can't just rely on rich people to bankroll you
27:46
Speaker 1: minus return on investment infinitely, just forever, that's not gonna happen.
27:50
Speaker 1: There's still a lot of newness to this, So there's
27:53
Speaker 1: still a lot of novelty to this, and it's a
27:55
Speaker 1: big deal. You know, to be able to kick in
27:57
Speaker 1: a few million and be able to get a linebacker
27:59
Speaker 1: from Ohio State and then he keys your playoff run.
28:02
Speaker 1: That's wonderful. Your school reaps the financial windfall from that
28:06
Speaker 1: if they make the playoff, if they win conferences. But
28:08
Speaker 1: as an investor, outside of your happiness, which is wonderful,
28:12
Speaker 1: if that's what you value, I wish more people did
28:14
Speaker 1: you're not really getting a return on the investment they're
28:16
Speaker 1: asking you to give with no financial return. That is
28:19
Speaker 1: a short term strategy. Long term strategy is to make
28:23
Speaker 1: sure you have, either via collective bargaining agreement or via
28:27
Speaker 1: anti trust exemption, a model where revenue sharing and therefore
28:33
Speaker 1: payment to players is baked into the system instead of
28:36
Speaker 1: this disproportionate, discombobulated Hey, look at us. We happen to
28:40
Speaker 1: have a billionaire so we can bankroll a team. Like,
28:43
Speaker 1: I don't know where in the world anyone thinks that's sustainable.
28:46
Speaker 1: Of course, Like, if you live in Lubbock, Texas, you're
28:48
Speaker 1: going to push back on this. You're a beneficiary of that.
28:51
Speaker 1: I understand you're going to push back on it. I
28:52
Speaker 1: would ask you if you can remove your red Raider
28:55
Speaker 1: cap for just a second, ask yourself if you think
28:58
Speaker 1: that's in the greater interest of college football. But I
29:00
Speaker 1: know what your pushback would be. Your pushback would be,
29:03
Speaker 1: I don't care about what the greater interest of college
29:05
Speaker 1: football is because no one else making decisions cared about
29:08
Speaker 1: Texas Tech when it came to the greater interest of
29:10
Speaker 1: college football. We were getting left behind, we were getting
29:13
Speaker 1: boxed out, of the whole super conference model. So this
29:16
Speaker 1: is what we have to do. That's why it's not
29:18
Speaker 1: a one fold answer to me, it's a multi pronged
29:22
Speaker 1: answer because you got to address the first problem I
29:25
Speaker 1: just talked about while also addressing the second problem I
29:28
Speaker 1: just talked about.
29:30
Speaker 2: You know, let's use Joey McGuire as an example. Obviously,
29:33
Speaker 2: I think he just got an extension because he was
29:35
Speaker 2: in the playoffs. If he had gone eight and four's
29:37
Speaker 2: he's still the coach after they spent that much money
29:40
Speaker 2: on the roster, you know. So it's that's where I
29:42
Speaker 2: think the pressure. Like the NFL, there's added pressure when
29:46
Speaker 2: I buy a bunch of free agents. When we've drafted
29:48
Speaker 2: high players, you know, before you got a longer runway.
29:50
Speaker 2: These people have been complaining in college football like what
29:54
Speaker 2: has it become, Well, it's become we're spending a lot
29:56
Speaker 2: of money in this roster. We better win. It's why
29:58
Speaker 2: you really Sarks a good example. They had a high
30:00
Speaker 2: priced team this year and you felt, you know, you
30:03
Speaker 2: could see it on his face like he was a
30:06
Speaker 2: little on edge and he was a guy that what
30:08
Speaker 2: they've been in the final four the last two years,
30:10
Speaker 2: like he's had. He resurrected the program and you could
30:13
Speaker 2: feel it. And if it's true, forty million dollars are
30:15
Speaker 2: roster and let's just say they have the highest paid
30:17
Speaker 2: roster and they'll have a pretty good idea they're near
30:20
Speaker 2: the top. If not at the top, it's gonna be
30:22
Speaker 2: like a win or bus here for him, right, not
30:24
Speaker 2: not the national championship, but like he couldn't miss the playoffs.
30:29
Speaker 1: I don't think he just needs to make the playoff.
30:32
Speaker 1: You're talking about huge money here, okay, And you're talking
30:36
Speaker 1: about the field being twelve teams for all we know,
30:38
Speaker 1: it could be sixteen. But at the very least you
30:40
Speaker 1: think it changed next year. I hope not. But it
30:45
Speaker 1: sounds like we're at a fifty to fifty right now.
30:47
Speaker 1: Like it sounds like the SEC and the Big ten
30:48
Speaker 1: have to agree. Sidebar that for a second with Sark.
30:52
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good enough for him to just
30:55
Speaker 1: make the playoff. Like I hate to participate in this
30:57
Speaker 1: kind of conversation, but you're not wrong. And with the
31:00
Speaker 1: field being bigger than it used to be, you think
31:02
Speaker 1: that fan base is about to look at their school
31:06
Speaker 1: in large part because they helped it spend forty million
31:08
Speaker 1: on a roster and say, oh good, we were one
31:11
Speaker 1: of the twelve best teams in the country. That's not
31:13
Speaker 1: forty million dollar return. Forty million dollar return is we're
31:16
Speaker 1: a prime player for the national championship. Very at the
31:19
Speaker 1: very least, we'd better be within reach of the national championship,
31:22
Speaker 1: if not winning the thing. If that sounds insane, well
31:26
Speaker 1: yeah it is. But we've long since removed adding that
31:30
Speaker 1: label because it's just a given with the current state
31:32
Speaker 1: of college football. But they they got arch Manning, who
31:35
Speaker 1: played his best ball at the end of the year,
31:37
Speaker 1: and then they go get Cam Coleman, who was the
31:39
Speaker 1: number one overall rated player in the portal, big time
31:42
Speaker 1: wide receiver talent out of Auburn wingos still there. I
31:45
Speaker 1: don't know if you notice what they did with their
31:46
Speaker 1: tailback room. They flushed their tailback room. Totally not bad players,
31:51
Speaker 1: but they flushed them and brought in all the top,
31:54
Speaker 1: well a couple of the top tailbacks in the portal.
31:56
Speaker 1: So they're just re engineering critical parts of roster. They're
32:01
Speaker 1: keeping the parts that they like. It's Texas, so they
32:03
Speaker 1: had a lot of parts they already liked. Yeah, and
32:05
Speaker 1: it is a go for it type year. It's Ohio
32:07
Speaker 1: State last year, John Ohio State last year. I'm not
32:10
Speaker 1: gonna say forty, but they had a substantial investment in
32:13
Speaker 1: their roster. They lose to Michigan, but because the playoff's
32:16
Speaker 1: big enough, they still find a way to back their
32:18
Speaker 1: way in. They play their best ball. At the end
32:20
Speaker 1: of the year, they win it, and so it all
32:22
Speaker 1: paid off. But you remember what the talk was after
32:25
Speaker 1: that Michigan game. There were people legitimately questioning whether Ryan
32:29
Speaker 1: they should keep his job if they go one and
32:31
Speaker 1: done in the playoffs. So that's absolutely the temperature that
32:34
Speaker 1: will be on Sark this this fall.
32:36
Speaker 2: I bet on Tennessee in that game, I look like
32:38
Speaker 2: an idiot.
32:38
Speaker 1: But twenty three at kickoff, that was a tough, tough night,
32:43
Speaker 1: that was brutal.
32:44
Speaker 2: You think Lane was rooting for All miss the other day, No,
32:48
Speaker 2: no chance, No, I no.
32:50
Speaker 1: There may be like individuals that he was pulling for,
32:53
Speaker 1: but no one's going to convince me that that relationship
32:57
Speaker 1: ended on good terms. In retrospect, I don't even know
33:00
Speaker 1: how it could have ended on good terms unless he
33:01
Speaker 1: just stayed, in which case he may be bitter that
33:04
Speaker 1: he stayed. So no, no, I do not.
33:06
Speaker 2: Do you think it's a Trinidad got a raw deal
33:09
Speaker 2: for the Division two counting, Like, what are we doing here?
33:12
Speaker 2: We've let so many people just let's have a good time.
33:14
Speaker 2: Let him play one more year. I would understand if
33:17
Speaker 2: he had been coming from even like a Fresno State
33:20
Speaker 2: or a Boise State. You're talking about Farris State. It
33:22
Speaker 2: really was. It felt like one of the more genuine
33:26
Speaker 2: college football stories in a long time.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I try not to get wrapped up in
33:31
Speaker 1: the story part of it because I want to make
33:33
Speaker 1: that independent of my answer on it, because I do,
33:36
Speaker 1: as dangerous as this is, I do try and put
33:38
Speaker 1: myself in an NCAA decision maker's position.
33:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if he had a case,
33:43
Speaker 2: like I mean, I obviously didn't may so.
33:46
Speaker 1: So here's where this bit me. I'll lose train of
33:48
Speaker 1: thought if I don't answer this. I don't. I never
33:52
Speaker 1: immersed myself in enough of the details with Trinidad. So
33:55
Speaker 1: when I saw that ruling come down, I probably had
33:57
Speaker 1: the same reaction you did. I just want to see
33:59
Speaker 1: him play another year because I like watching him play.
34:02
Speaker 1: So when I see that ruling, I'm predisposed to go
34:05
Speaker 1: double barrel mental fingers to the NC DOUBLEA. Can't stand
34:08
Speaker 1: you guys. You're in it for everything but the players,
34:10
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. And maybe that's the case, but I
34:15
Speaker 1: go back a few months before the season, there was
34:18
Speaker 1: a kid who had transferred to South Carolina tailback, I believe,
34:22
Speaker 1: and he had a waiver request into the NC Double
34:26
Speaker 1: A and the word was it got denied and then
34:29
Speaker 1: they had to reapply. I'm a little hazy on the details,
34:32
Speaker 1: but the general message here will be sound. And it
34:35
Speaker 1: kept on going and kept on going, and South Carolina
34:38
Speaker 1: fans were pissed because they were thinking, how long does
34:41
Speaker 1: it take to just review a guy's appeals process? It's
34:44
Speaker 1: either approved or denied. But then it stretched into fall
34:48
Speaker 1: camp and then it was torch and pitch fork and
34:52
Speaker 1: NC DOUBLEA headquarters. Shame on you guys, you're detrimental to players.
34:56
Speaker 1: And come to find out paperwork had been so admitted
35:00
Speaker 1: wrong and so the way the proposal had to be
35:02
Speaker 1: submitted had only been submitted late in the spring slash summer,
35:07
Speaker 1: and the NCUBAA had actually informed South Carolina and guided
35:12
Speaker 1: them on how to apply it properly. Well that never
35:14
Speaker 1: saw the light of day. So my point is, once
35:17
Speaker 1: you're read in on critical details, sometimes you realize, oh man,
35:21
Speaker 1: I've been demonizing someone and I didn't even know what
35:23
Speaker 1: I was talking about. So I've come to adopt that
35:26
Speaker 1: approach with all these appeals requests, whether it be Pavia
35:30
Speaker 1: or Trinidad or anyone else, I'm going to assume I
35:33
Speaker 1: don't know the full story. I'm going to assume I
35:35
Speaker 1: haven't gone through his case with a fine tooth comb.
35:37
Speaker 1: I know what I personally want to see. I want
35:39
Speaker 1: to see him play again, and I know the NCAA
35:42
Speaker 1: doesn't have the best track record in court, so who knows,
35:44
Speaker 1: maybe we will see him again. But I've tried not
35:46
Speaker 1: to get too up in arms about that one.
36:02
Speaker 2: Well let's just end on the natty. I think a
36:05
Speaker 2: lot of the country is going to be rooting for Indiana.
36:08
Speaker 2: I mean his Google Me statement and then to live
36:10
Speaker 2: up to it over the couple of years. But just
36:13
Speaker 2: from an on the field standpoint, obviously they haven't lost
36:16
Speaker 2: a game, but if they win this game, to beat
36:19
Speaker 2: Ohio State, to roll Alabama, to destroy Oregon, and then
36:25
Speaker 2: beat a Miami team which is loaded with pros and
36:28
Speaker 2: is really good, right, I mean they are really good.
36:32
Speaker 2: It would be truly and I get it. This isn't
36:34
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three where he's just done this organically. It's
36:37
Speaker 2: still one of the crazier stories in my lifetime in sports.
36:41
Speaker 2: I truly believe that. Yeah, I know he's gonna do it.
36:45
Speaker 2: It almost feels too good to be true. Their huge favorite.
36:48
Speaker 2: I think Miami probably gets to fly a little under
36:50
Speaker 2: the radar after kind of their weird performance against Ole
36:53
Speaker 2: Miss because their talent is pretty immense, especially the line
36:56
Speaker 2: of scrimmage.
36:58
Speaker 1: I don't know where we would find a better college
37:00
Speaker 1: football story. I don't really know off the top of
37:02
Speaker 1: my head who that would be. You know, someone asked
37:06
Speaker 1: me the day, is it a Cinderella story. I don't
37:08
Speaker 1: call it a Cinderella story. I call it an incredible story.
37:10
Speaker 1: Cinderella to me is if he stayed at James Madison
37:12
Speaker 1: and James.
37:13
Speaker 2: But if Boise State had won a national champion Roonner Peterson.
37:17
Speaker 1: Like a legit have not like at Indiana. Just because
37:20
Speaker 1: you haven't doesn't mean you're not tapped into massive pools
37:23
Speaker 1: of media rights money. And you got Mark Cuban there
37:25
Speaker 1: I'm not saying money is why they're winning this. But
37:27
Speaker 1: you're not gonna call any Big ten or SEC team
37:29
Speaker 1: I have not or a Cinderella.
37:30
Speaker 2: Yas the Heisman Trophy number one overall big quarterback right now.
37:34
Speaker 1: Well, the quarterback's the key part there. Like, if I'm
37:36
Speaker 1: gonna shoot down the Cinderella argument, you're obviously not doing
37:39
Speaker 1: this without Fernanda Mendoza. If you just take Mendoza, they
37:42
Speaker 1: pay two and a half million dollars for him, which
37:44
Speaker 1: is a bargain by the way, but they still pay
37:46
Speaker 1: two and a half million for him. That's more than
37:48
Speaker 1: the entire payroll of most G five teams. So that's
37:51
Speaker 1: not a have not. That's not a Cinderella. It's an
37:52
Speaker 1: insanely good story. It's an improbable story because the thing
37:56
Speaker 1: about Indiana is they don't have access to anything that
37:59
Speaker 1: the rest of the Big Ten doesn't and the rest
38:00
Speaker 1: of the SEC doesn't, so everyone had access to go
38:04
Speaker 1: after these same players. Everyone is totally free to run
38:08
Speaker 1: their operation and their program on the same principles and
38:11
Speaker 1: value systems that Kurt Signetti does. So it's not like
38:14
Speaker 1: there's some magic formula secret ingredient. The ingredients are the
38:17
Speaker 1: same ones that have worked since the dawn of time.
38:20
Speaker 1: If you're trying to build anything, it's just that it's
38:23
Speaker 1: so human nature to think that you evolve beyond this
38:27
Speaker 1: change and move beyond that. Well, yeah, maybe no one's
38:30
Speaker 1: running the triple option offense anymore, so maybe principles of
38:34
Speaker 1: the specific tactical way you go about the game have changed.
38:37
Speaker 1: But there are some non negotiables and Signetti's just got
38:41
Speaker 1: the audacity to lean into them, and he's just whipping
38:44
Speaker 1: other people that thought they were good enough to overthink
38:47
Speaker 1: the room on this stuff. So yeah, I will caution this,
38:51
Speaker 1: please enjoy this, And I'm speaking to Indiana fans right now.
38:54
Speaker 1: They were awesome to be around in Atlanta, by the way,
38:56
Speaker 1: a ton of them. Unbelievable.
38:58
Speaker 2: What was the ratio I saw it.
39:01
Speaker 1: It had to be fifty to one on the street.
39:03
Speaker 1: It was you were It was like a Where's Waldo?
39:06
Speaker 1: To find green shirts around Atlanta, I've never seen any.
39:08
Speaker 1: It was like Sherman coming into Atlanta. That's how big
39:11
Speaker 1: they invaded Atlanta. It was unbelievable. However, I had a conversation,
39:16
Speaker 1: and maybe this is anecdotal, I had a conversation with
39:18
Speaker 1: an INDIANAFM and he said to me, as great as
39:23
Speaker 1: this team is, this is the least talented team Signetti
39:26
Speaker 1: will have in his remainder of his time in Indiana.
39:30
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, go on, what do you mean
39:32
Speaker 1: by that? And his implication was, We're only going to
39:35
Speaker 1: get better from here. You may get more talented from here.
39:38
Speaker 1: Signetti will never have a better team at Indiana than
39:41
Speaker 1: he does right now. If you guys, more than anyone
39:44
Speaker 1: should know how you define team. It ain't just talent.
39:48
Speaker 1: And so this is I don't care how long he
39:50
Speaker 1: stays there. This is like when he was at Alabama
39:53
Speaker 1: under Saban, those eight to nine teams, the first ones
39:56
Speaker 1: that Saban had that made a run at titles. He
39:59
Speaker 1: all always told the story about how special those groups were,
40:02
Speaker 1: and he had way more talented teams come after him,
40:05
Speaker 1: but there was nothing like the dynamics they had on
40:08
Speaker 1: those first teams, because those were the last kids that
40:11
Speaker 1: came in with a what can we do for Alabama
40:13
Speaker 1: mentality instead of what can Alabama do for me? Mentality?
40:16
Speaker 1: And now you'll see Indiana be a destination and they'll
40:20
Speaker 1: still run them through the same filter they always have.
40:22
Speaker 1: So it's not like they're going to fall off a cliff.
40:24
Speaker 1: You will never have a dynamic from a team aspect
40:28
Speaker 1: in the sport of football that's better than what they've
40:30
Speaker 1: put on the field this year. There's I don't think
40:32
Speaker 1: it's possible to improve from what they've done this year.
40:35
Speaker 2: Does Miami look way better than they do just when
40:37
Speaker 2: you're on the sideline having been around.
40:39
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, it's insane. They're the best looking team
40:42
Speaker 1: in college football. Sometimes that's a slight because you're saying
40:45
Speaker 1: it about a team that hasn't performed.
40:46
Speaker 2: Yeah, Miami, it's like a team you're like, they went
40:49
Speaker 2: five and seven, But yeah, they look good.
40:50
Speaker 1: Oh they look good though. No, Miami's line of scrimmage.
40:54
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna hear this stat thrown around so
40:56
Speaker 1: much this week, But they outweigh Indiana's OH line by
40:59
Speaker 1: like or D line, like fifty pounds O line versus
41:02
Speaker 1: D line.
41:02
Speaker 2: The two tackle's got to be a combined seven hundred
41:05
Speaker 2: pounds or something. I mean, they are massive.
41:08
Speaker 1: And they play to their size. So that's gonna be
41:10
Speaker 1: fun to watch. Man, Because Indiana has been so good
41:13
Speaker 1: at getting leads on teams and making it where you
41:16
Speaker 1: can't even use the run game. You got to throw
41:18
Speaker 1: the ball to keep up. If Miami can weather that
41:20
Speaker 1: early storm, or better yet, create the storm early and
41:23
Speaker 1: they're they're able to stay balanced in their play calling,
41:26
Speaker 1: and they're able to use that four quarter lean on
41:28
Speaker 1: your approach, the law of physics says that should work. Now,
41:32
Speaker 1: the law of physics, Indiana has to fight all year,
41:34
Speaker 1: but it says it should work.
41:36
Speaker 2: Imagine if I would have told young Josh Pate that
41:39
Speaker 2: Miami beating Indiana in a national championship where they both
41:43
Speaker 2: went through a bracket would be known as a massive
41:45
Speaker 2: massive you know, upset. I don't think you would have
41:49
Speaker 2: believed me fifteen to twenty years ago.
41:51
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. Yeah, I don't
41:53
Speaker 1: even know what to say.
41:54
Speaker 2: Well, thanks man for coming on, and we'll see on.
41:57
Speaker 2: You can be on ESPN later this week.
41:59
Speaker 1: I will at some point. Just you make sure you're
42:02
Speaker 1: in the gym, and I'll make sure that you see me.
42:04
Speaker 2: How about that that bald head glistens and puts a
42:07
Speaker 2: smile on my face. Man, take it easy, man, Thanks
42:09
Speaker 2: for coming on.
42:10
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Brother. The volume