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Spencer Hall on Cam Newton at Auburn: The Greatest College Football season of all time | 01.13 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
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  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Time Machine Tuesday. Spencer Hall joins
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  Speaker 1: us from Channel 6. What is going on, my man?
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  Speaker 2: You ready to talk about something big, something fast? You're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about something that you didn't have to
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  Speaker 2: be smart in order to work with. I would love
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  Speaker 2: to talk about Cam Newton today, if you would like to.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to do that. Before we do, I have
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  Speaker 1: to say, this is the second time I've seen Spencer's
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  Speaker 1: haircut as Spencer and I hung out for a moment
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  Speaker 1: in Atlanta. And I love how Spencer maintains his fundamental
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  Speaker 1: truth while also hugging up on just enough Atlanta.
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  Speaker 2: Just listen, this I didn't ask for. You realize this
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  Speaker 2: just happens. This is how they do it. If you
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  Speaker 2: get your haircut inside the perimeter, they're like, okay, starting here.
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  Speaker 2: Everything else is optional, but they're going to give you
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  Speaker 2: a little tight on the side, a little long on
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  Speaker 2: the top.
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  Speaker 1: Now, have you gone all the way to go into
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  Speaker 1: the black people barbershop yet or have the white dudes
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  Speaker 1: just got on board?
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  Speaker 2: I have done that when my regular guy, who I'm
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  Speaker 2: in a committed relationship with a barber and have been
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  Speaker 2: for about six years. But before that hit or miss,
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  Speaker 2: hit or miss all the time. And one of those
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  Speaker 2: hits was going to a black barber. And do you
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  Speaker 2: know what it looked like? This. That's it. Same haircut.
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  Speaker 2: They'll just give you the same cut. No flinching. No nothing.
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  Speaker 2: Just go. Honestly, the reason I didn't go back is
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  Speaker 2: because I was like, am I invading a space? Because
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  Speaker 2: once is utility, right? Once it's like, shit, I need
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  Speaker 2: my haircut. And then twice you go, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: Is this, am I taking up space in a place
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  Speaker 2: where I shouldn't?
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  Speaker 1: Not only are you welcome, I'll also make this point
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  Speaker 1: that if you are a white person willing to go
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  Speaker 1: to a black barbershop, just throwing it out there, you
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  Speaker 1: are not the most conservative person in the room. You
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  Speaker 1: may not realize that until after a while, but if
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  Speaker 1: you are willing to set foot, you are not the
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  Speaker 1: most conservative person in the room.
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  Speaker 2: I think that is 100% true. I will also state this.
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  Speaker 2: I am now, I live near a very conservative barbershop
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  Speaker 2: that I do not patronize. And, um, occasionally I will
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  Speaker 2: see a person of color coming out of there. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm just, every time I see it, I go, I
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  Speaker 2: want that story. I want to know who you're going
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  Speaker 2: to and how this happened. Well, the real question is,
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  Speaker 2: did they come out with or without a haircut? Cause
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  Speaker 2: they good to be like, well, well, we'll cut that gray.
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  Speaker 2: That's their line.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, well, no, do with that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, these are, no, these are paying customers. These are
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  Speaker 2: people who are using. So I want to know the story.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know how it happened. I do.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 1: But, Story of all stories. This week on Time Machine Tuesday,
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  Speaker 1: we do wish to talk about the 2010 college football season,
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  Speaker 1: which ends 15 years ago now, because you know these
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  Speaker 1: things wrap over and get you into 2011. Now, first
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  Speaker 1: Time Machine Tuesday, we talked about the Vince Young game
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  Speaker 1: at Rose Bowl. Five years later, and you may think
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  Speaker 1: that Vince Young is the greatest college football quarterback of
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  Speaker 1: all time. There's an argument for it, okay? But we
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  Speaker 1: fast forward five years, and If you don't think Cam
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  Speaker 1: Newton was the best college football quarterback of all time,
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  Speaker 1: and I mean just quarterback, because I think this is
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  Speaker 1: important to note. There's a difference between a player and
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  Speaker 1: a career, right? Like, I have been watching on the
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  Speaker 1: internet where there has been a discussion about whether or
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  Speaker 1: not Fred Taylor is a pro football Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you land on that, by the way?
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  Speaker 1: This is where I land. The distinction is very important.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that Fred Taylor was a Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: talent and Hall of Fame player who did not have
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame career.
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 1: You might make an argument that other quarterbacks have had
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  Speaker 1: better careers than Cam Newton. Tim Tebow, who's a big
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  Speaker 1: part of the story that we'll get back to later,
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  Speaker 1: is somebody that fits such an example. Tommy Frazier, another
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  Speaker 1: guy that we may put in and fits under this example. However,
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  Speaker 1: for my money, the greatest college football season any individual
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  Speaker 1: has ever had is Cam Newton. Twenty ten. Part of
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  Speaker 1: the intrigue of that season, and I don't even think
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  Speaker 1: we fully understood it at the beginning of that year,
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  Speaker 1: but how you get to 2010 from Cam Newton, starting
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  Speaker 1: it at Westlake High School, getting to Florida in 2017,
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  Speaker 1: This is a wild story when you stop and think
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  Speaker 1: about this, okay? So Cam was a five-star recruit quarterback
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  Speaker 1: coming out of Atlanta. He goes to Florida. Now, Urban
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  Speaker 1: Meyer is, I'm getting a quarterback every year, dog, the
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  Speaker 1: best one that I possibly can, right? And then they'll
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  Speaker 1: duke it out. We'll figure out who the starter is
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  Speaker 1: going to be. And if you want to leave, okay,
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  Speaker 1: generally speaking, we'll help you do that. All right, 2006,
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  Speaker 1: they got Tim Tebow in. Tim Tebow was the backup
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  Speaker 1: quarterback and short yardage pullback, basically on a national championship
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  Speaker 1: team in 2006, 2007. He's a starting quarterback. Cam is
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  Speaker 1: a true freshman. Now people will tell you that Tim
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  Speaker 1: Tebow was better than Cam Newton for the whole stretch
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  Speaker 1: of the time at Florida. You just, if you say so, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: I got other people, people on the cam side will
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  Speaker 1: tell you otherwise, right? There's also like little weird details.
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  Speaker 1: I believe they were roommates when they first got there.
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  Speaker 1: And so that becomes, you know, that's the weird college
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  Speaker 1: football coach thing to do. Make Major Applewhite and Chris
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  Speaker 1: Sims be roommates, right? Make Tim Tebow and Cam Newton
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  Speaker 1: be roommates.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, I can't imagine any reason there'd ever
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  Speaker 1: be any tension between those guys under those circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, never.
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  Speaker 1: But this thing happened in 2007. It's very simple. Tim
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  Speaker 1: Tebow won the Heisman Trophy and put up a stat
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  Speaker 1: line that hadn't been seen, which was 20 touchdown passes
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  Speaker 1: and 20 rushing touchdowns. At this point, Gainesville, Florida belongs
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  Speaker 1: to him. It was already kind of sort of his
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  Speaker 1: in 2006 as it stood, but it was his job
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  Speaker 1: at that point for however long he wanted to have it,
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  Speaker 1: all right? Next season is 2008. Florida again wins a
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  Speaker 1: national championship, but also of note, and you correct me anywhere,
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  Speaker 1: I may be getting some of these small details wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but John Brantley, who was a legacy recruit of sorts,
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  Speaker 1: who had been a five-star recruit, finished as a four-star recruit,
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  Speaker 1: originally committed to Texas, He went to Florida because, again,
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  Speaker 1: Urban Meyer's getting a quarterback every year he possibly can
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  Speaker 1: get one. Tebow is the starter. Newton is the backup.
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  Speaker 1: John Bradley's below him. And Cam, you know, got caught
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  Speaker 1: with a stolen laptop or there was a stolen laptop
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  Speaker 1: found near him with reason to believe that he has
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  Speaker 1: stolen it. I believe the picture had property of Cam
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  Speaker 1: Newton whited out.
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  Speaker 2: And white out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and white out on it because, I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: might as well have licked it like it was a muffin.
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  Speaker 1: And just said that this now belongs to me.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Cam also has an ankle injury for much of that year.
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  Speaker 1: The key detail here, what I'm going for is by
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  Speaker 1: the time that year was over, John Brantley was above
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  Speaker 1: camp who you've never heard of. John Brantley was the
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  Speaker 1: head of Cam Newton on the depth chart. And it
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  Speaker 1: was made pretty clear that in 2009, John Brantley is
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  Speaker 1: going to be the starting quarterback here. There was also
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  Speaker 1: some cheating on test allegations, a lot of this.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff, right? Right.
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  Speaker 1: 2009, John Brantley is going to be the starting quarterback
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  Speaker 1: at Florida. And you, Cam Newton, need to find somewhere
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  Speaker 1: else to go. And there was a great concerted effort
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  Speaker 1: to find a place for him to go as far
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  Speaker 1: from the SEC as humanly possible because nobody wanted that
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  Speaker 1: big motherfucker coming back.
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  Speaker 2: His potential was not unquestioned. And the reasons for John
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  Speaker 2: Brantley rising above him on the depth chart were, if
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  Speaker 2: I recall correctly, and I think I do, very stupid.
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  Speaker 2: Urban Meyer was terrified, I believe, of not recruiting a legacy.
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  Speaker 2: That was what Urban Meyer said at the time, that
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  Speaker 2: he was very worried about missing up that kind of
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  Speaker 2: legacy pick because Brantley's father was a quarterback at Florida
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  Speaker 2: and Brantley's well-respected in the Florida community. And Urban Meyer
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  Speaker 2: has said that that was something he cared about. I
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  Speaker 2: would also tell you this. Does that seem plausible? Or
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  Speaker 2: is it more likely the kind of thing you would
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  Speaker 2: say if you had absolutely mismanaged the greatest quarterback season
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  Speaker 2: provider in history? Yes. I didn't say greatest quarterback in history.
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  Speaker 2: Let's not put our foot in that bucket. Yes. What
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  Speaker 2: greatest single season in terms of impact? You messed that up. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: he did. He messed that up. That's it. That's not
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  Speaker 2: even a risky take. That's a fact. You could have
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  Speaker 2: had that. That could have been the next thing. And instead,
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  Speaker 2: what you got helped destroy that dynasty. So I would
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  Speaker 2: probably be looking for other more, you know, I'd be
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  Speaker 2: looking for some rationale. I'd be at the rationale shop
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  Speaker 2: looking around and shopping. So that's the kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: I think you say when you know that you've screwed up.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, now compare that to what you
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  Speaker 2: said next, which is now we need this gentleman as
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  Speaker 2: far away from the SEC as possible.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why? I'm the goose. I'm the goose in the meme
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  Speaker 2: just barking.
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  Speaker 1: Like, why?
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  Speaker 2: Why do you need him far away? For the same
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  Speaker 2: reason you need clearance between you and a nuke. Yes.
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: When it goes off, it's going to blow up everything
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  Speaker 2: around it, which it did. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like they didn't. He wasn't going to go to Heinz
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  Speaker 1: Community College in Mississippi, right? Like any of those. No, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: So Cam goes to Blinn College in Brenham, Texas, a
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  Speaker 1: school with which I'm very familiar with.
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  Speaker 2: Kills it. Kills it.
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  Speaker 1: Kills it. Kills it. It's like it's great it makes
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  Speaker 1: no the idea first of all blend is one of
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  Speaker 1: those schools that just got good at a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: stuff right like oh didn't have the act score to
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  Speaker 1: get into texas texas and then with the university of
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  Speaker 1: houston uh come down here oh you're really fast we
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  Speaker 1: have a nationally reputed track program here uh michael bishop
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  Speaker 1: legendary kansas state quarterback he did his time at blend
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  Speaker 1: right like it like this was this was the place
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  Speaker 1: that you went and so cam goes there he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be there everybody understands i'm here for a
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  Speaker 1: good time not a long time and it goes pretty
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  Speaker 1: much exactly as you would expect for it to go
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  Speaker 1: when you drop cam newton or by the way cam
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  Speaker 1: newton who is now in year three of eligibility so
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  Speaker 1: this isn't like 18 year old cam newton this is
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  Speaker 1: 20 going on 21 year old cam newton going to
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  Speaker 1: a junior college a place where he's only supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be like two year guys he's in year three and
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  Speaker 1: he's playing against those dudes come on bro.
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  Speaker 2: Go look at photos of cam playing at blin there
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  Speaker 2: are a few and they look a lot like jonathan
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  Speaker 2: hogden that was exactly what i was gonna say yeah
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  Speaker 2: playing against all of those like private school boys in
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  Speaker 2: dc and you see him on the field and he
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  Speaker 2: looks like a dad And then it looks like there's
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  Speaker 2: a toddler. And the toddler is a normal-sized person. That's
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  Speaker 2: what Cam Newton looks like on the field at Blinn.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was nuts.
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  Speaker 2: It was nuts.
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  Speaker 1: And so, like I say, it goes as expected. And again,
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  Speaker 1: my understanding has always been people were very concerned about
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  Speaker 1: him going way far away, right? Anyway, he's the number
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  Speaker 1: one Juco recruit in America. And everybody named Mama is
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  Speaker 1: trying to get their hands on him and to recruit.
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  Speaker 1: I know Bob Stoops made an offer at Oklahoma. for
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  Speaker 1: what mattered to me at that time. Thank God that
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  Speaker 1: never came to be. Lane Kiffin, who when he got
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  Speaker 1: to Tennessee, told Todd Boyd, no, your scholarship offer is
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  Speaker 1: no good here. I've got Matt Sims on deck, right?
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  Speaker 1: He made an offer. for Cam Newton. Like this is
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  Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin before Jalen Hurts and before Blake Sims brought
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  Speaker 1: in his outlook on how to play football, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: This is Lane Kiffin looking for standard dropback quarterback.
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  Speaker 2: Nope.
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  Speaker 1: He was like, yo, let me get a piece of
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  Speaker 1: this Mississippi state. They made the hard play for Cam Newton.
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  Speaker 1: He wound up going to Auburn. Now I talked to
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  Speaker 1: people on the cam side of things around the time
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  Speaker 1: this was going on. And the point they made was
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  Speaker 1: you got to remember Auburn's like an hour and a
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  Speaker 1: half from Southwest Atlanta. He spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 1: at different points going up there for the weekend, hanging out.
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  Speaker 1: There were logical reasons that he would wind up going
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  Speaker 1: to Auburn. That is still the worst nightmare that Urban
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  Speaker 1: Meyer could have ever had. I guess it only could
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  Speaker 1: have been worse if he went to Georgia, but Georgia
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't get a quarterback that looked like that.
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  Speaker 2: That's a whole other episode. Yes, it is. Also, by
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  Speaker 2: the way, another Georgia episode we should do is We
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  Speaker 2: should do, oh, yeah, they're only going to start a
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  Speaker 2: white quarterback at Georgia. And somebody's going to go, DJ Shockley.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll go, true. Stetson Bennett. Yes. Is a confounder there.
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  Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett started more games than DJ Shockley did. That's
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  Speaker 1: the point.
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  Speaker 2: Also, Stetson Bennett, if you watched him play, you would go, huh. Huh. Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Not the style I expected to see. Stetson Bennett, the
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  Speaker 2: fourth from Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett, another Juco all-star in the history of the Southeast.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much going on with that. But Cam winds
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  Speaker 1: up back. He's at Auburn. Gus Malzahn is the offensive
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  Speaker 1: coordinator who himself has had this fascinating journey. And it's
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  Speaker 1: funny because remember, the problem he had at Arkansas was
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  Speaker 1: everybody wanted Mitch Mustaine to air it out. And I
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: think Houston Nuggets a bad rap for this, for saying...
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  Speaker 1: I got three NFL running backs back here, baby. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to give them the ball a lot. But it
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  Speaker 1: costs Malzahn. I mean, he left, basically. He went to Tulsa,
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  Speaker 1: became the offensive coordinator. And then he winds up at Auburn.
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  Speaker 1: Their head coach is Gene Chizik. And we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: that guy in a little bit later as this all goes.
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  Speaker 1: What you need to understand is that Auburn football team,
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  Speaker 1: and we didn't realize it at the time, was Cam Newton,
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  Speaker 1: Nick Fairley, That's it.
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  Speaker 2: And some guys.
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  Speaker 3: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: And some guys. Introducing guys. Some dudes.
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  Speaker 1: For all the talk of everything about the SEC, and
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  Speaker 1: generally speaking, the SEC possesses a depth of talent that
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  Speaker 1: you're not going to find other places. SEC schools, particularly
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  Speaker 1: the top half of the SEC, and we would say
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  Speaker 1: that Auburn is a top half of the SEC school, right?
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  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: They've got guys. Um... they're going to send a bunch
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  Speaker 1: of dudes to the NFL. What we did not know
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of that year was that team would
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  Speaker 1: send two guys, at least to the draft. Maybe some
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  Speaker 1: other guys got in, some practice squad action, some special teams,
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  Speaker 1: little situation. They had two guys get drafted off that
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  Speaker 1: whole team. This story is going to end with them
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  Speaker 1: winning a national championship with two guys who got drafted.
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  Speaker 1: Not just two guys who got drafted in 2011. Two
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  Speaker 1: guys off the whole goddamn team heard their names called
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  Speaker 1: by an NFL employee.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Auburn fans, sit down. You can't hear this question.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone else, come forward. Or look at your screen. If
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  Speaker 2: you're watching YouTube, look into my eyes. Tell me honestly,
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  Speaker 2: do you remember the name of a wide receiver on
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  Speaker 2: that offense? Wide receiver. Didn't say tight end. I'm even
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  Speaker 2: going to take him out of it. Okay. You don't
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  Speaker 2: remember a name of a wide receiver on that team.
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  Speaker 1: I only remember one.
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  Speaker 2: Who do you remember?
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  Speaker 1: And it's only because his name was somewhat distinct. I
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  Speaker 1: believe it was Ontario McCallop.
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  Speaker 2: It was a running back. Ontario McCallop.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry.
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  Speaker 2: My bad. So we're all in the same boat. Because
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  Speaker 2: if you had asked me at 8.45 this morning when
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  Speaker 2: I was extensively reviewing things in my car for this show,
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  Speaker 2: I would not have remembered the name of a wide receiver.
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  Speaker 2: Darvin Ham. I'm sorry, Darvin Adams. Not Darvin Adams. Darvin
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  Speaker 2: Adams and, you know, guys like Terrell Zachary. They didn't
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  Speaker 2: go to the league.
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  Speaker 1: Buddy, I don't think I ever knew Darvin Adams' name,
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  Speaker 1: and now that I'm looking at it, they do have
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  Speaker 1: a wide receiver whose name I remember, but not from
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  Speaker 1: playing wide receiver. Wasn't Cody Burns a quarterback?
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  Speaker 2: Became a quarterback, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Additionally, Philip Lutzenkirchen. Do
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  Speaker 2: not forget Lutze. Lutze, RIP. He's no longer with us,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: but Philip Lutzenkirchen. was their big red zone threat. The
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: fact that we're having this conversation means that the average
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: college football fan watching this is like, oh yeah, no idea.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: That team was Cam and a dude who I remember
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: for rolling over an Oregon defender. That's it. Like you
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: might remember Michael Dyer.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: They like offensive line. This is the thing we talk about.
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: The SEC wins at the line of scrimmage. They didn't
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: even really have those guys. This was one dude. And
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: I understand why, What happened with Cam was not immediately
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: you jump into the season and all hell breaks loose.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: It wasn't that, right? Like this was, when you look
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: at how they started that season, I think the first game,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: you know, they went to play Arkansas State. Okay, like
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: we understand that one. I remember it was like a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: real close game against Mississippi State. um they played an
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: overtime game against Clemson and this is at the beginning
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: of the Davo era which was who boy that was
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: a hoot um but they were just kind of like
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: they were putting up decent numbers but they weren't like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: they scored 17 points against Mississippi State they scored 27
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: points in overtime against Clemson they did put up 35
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: against a pretty decent South Carolina team but we didn't
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: know what this was this kept going and their defense
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: was not good right they were giving up a lot
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of yards they played a game against Arkansas. That was a,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: a basketball game. It was a basketball game. It was
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: an incredible game to watch on television. And as I recall,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like it was right around like the time change.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: So the game ended and it was dark and it
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: was like 65 to 43. That is correct. And it
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: was just up and down the field, up and down
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: the field, up and down the field. And again, we
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: were talking about a guy with no NFL lineman, no
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: NFL players to throw the ball to. And he scored
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: 65 points.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. By the way, an offensive line known more for
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: breaking knees than anything else. If you want to know,
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: let's just be very real here. What did the rest
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: of those guys on that Auburn team do on defense
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and offense? Helmet to helmet contact and a lot of
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: roll-ups and chop blocks. They were very good at being,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and I say this, complimentary. Hashtag complimentary. That's a dirty team.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You did not have fun All of those guys on
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: the ground, Cam shook a few of them loose, to
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: be fair. A lot of them are lying on the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: ground because they go, this is pre-NIL and my ACL
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: are the letters I care about right now. I'm going
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: to make a business decision. I'm going to lie down
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: before this dude chop blocks me.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, that Arkansas team was good.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Like, I mean, that is the, if you know the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: infamous Bobby Petrino picture with the Sugar Bowl hat, if
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, this is the team that went to
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: the Sugar Bowl, right? In that game, by the way,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Cam Newton, 10 for 14 for 140 yards and one touchdown,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: 25 for 188 on the ground for three touchdowns because
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: it was the Bel Air Academy offense. Like the teams
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: can buy, isn't the SEC, vaunted SEC defense, there's a
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: thousand yards of total offense. But it was also, if
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I recall the CBS, game of that week and that
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: was the game where everybody saw what cam newton was
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: the power of national television still matters johnny manziel owes
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: everything to beating alabama on national television in the cbs
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: game in 2012 the week after alabama played lsu That's
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: what we had here. It was the national TV window.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: And one man looked like nothing we had ever seen.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to take you to the 23rd, October 23rd, 2010,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: because at this point he's getting national renown, sort of
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: getting prominent, sort of getting the notion of, okay, this
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: is a person that you should watch and you should,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: you know, you should at least stop by for a
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: quarter or two, if you're going to watch a college
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: football game. And again, I got a friend who has
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: some tickets, so I'm going to drive down to Auburn.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: They haven't been to a game in Auburn in a while.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: They're going to be playing LSU. That's a good time. Yes.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: So I end up in the corner of the end
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: zone for this game against LSU. And there is a run.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: They do beat LSU, and they do it on the
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: back of one Cam Newton touchdown run, which has T-shirts
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: and posters you can buy.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: Ryan was there.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Ryan was there.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right. Ryan was the LSU student, and Ryan,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: I believe, was in the stadium at the game.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: He might have been next to me and the LSU
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: mom I was next to, who was a very nice lady,
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: who whenever Auburn had the ball, would say things like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: hit him in the knees! I got to tell you,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: from the first quarter on, once Cam started getting loose
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: against them, it was, kill him! Kill that man! That's
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the only... There's a great compliment that I have to
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: a player when I don't know what to do with them,
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: where I'm like, okay, you should probably just hit him
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: with a car. Just drive a car out of the field.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: and hit them, and that's the only way that you're
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: going to get them out of the game. And on
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: that 49-yard run, what you need to know is that
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: the sun is going down. It is going down, and
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: it is shining at that point directly onto the field.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: So if you're watching Cam take this run, he's kind
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: of running into the sun. So you can't really see
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: where he is, but he's so big. You know, typically
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you lose people in the sun, and this is what
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I remember. I remember the screams of LSU fans behind me,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and the kind of screams were like, if you watch
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: somebody jump off a building, the kind of like, ah.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: I can't do anything, right?
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: The futility and horror of not being able to stop
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: what you're seeing. That's what's happening behind me. But if
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: you look forward, Cam is so big that he's actually
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: making his own shadow. Like typically it's so bright, you
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: can't even see through it, right? You just kind of
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: see motion. Cam is so goddamn big when he's running
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that occasionally you just see this like enormous silhouette of somebody.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: And I remember seeing that. And I remember seeing Patrick
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Peterson just kind of go, across it like eclipsed like
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: he just missed him like i don't know how it
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: happened there are nfl draft picks on that lsu defense
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: a good lsu defense with great talent i think we
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: hear a lot out of lsu right oh yeah good
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: defense great talent later went on to have hall of
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: fame careers how were they in college yeah they're fine
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: they're good that defense and watching cam take this run
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: i don't know if people can understand it's the longest
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: play i've ever watched in person it took forever it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: like 13 seconds.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Peterson, for my money, he's the best athlete I have
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: ever seen play corner.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Just like, when does it turn in speed to power?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Is that what they talk about? Like a guy that size,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: the size that he was as a junior in college.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It was unreal. And Cam Newton is running away from
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: him in this game. Just running away. And look, they
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: won that game 24-17. And it's worth noting, when you
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: look at the stats, like I'm looking at the game
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: log now, There was only, there were no games. No,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: one game. The national championship game is the only time
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that Cam threw more than 30 passes. Only one other
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: game where he threw more than 25. This was high school, right?
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Like Gus Malzahn is a legendary high school coach who
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: was only four years removed or five years removed from
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: coaching high school. It was, you get your biggest, best
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: player You make him the quarterback. And then we just
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: figure everything out from there. And according to that primitive formula,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: they were running through the SEC. And by the way,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: that game, 10 for 16 for 86 yards, which is
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: not really that impressive. But the 28 for 217 and
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: two touchdowns.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: And the 49 yard run was all I needed to see.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: To know that I had been wrong on everything. I
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: thought Cam coming out of Florida was... a dude who
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: was a bruising runner, but we didn't particularly, we didn't
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: get to see his elusiveness very much. Right. We didn't
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: get to see that. Like his biggest play at Florida
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: is in 2007 and a 59, 20 blowout of Tennessee.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: He comes in and relief and destroys a man, puts
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: his helmet in the dude's chest and blows him up
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: at the goal line for a TD. I mean, you
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: could hear the swamp when it happened. He hits him
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: in the, like hits him right in the sternum. And
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: you just hear everyone in the swamp at once go, like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I've heard that twice. Lawrence Wright when he hit Joey
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Kent in 95 and Cam Newton when he speared this
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: dude right in the chest at the goal line. Like,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: it was an incredible moment. But he threw high. He
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: never got the chance because what do you do when
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: you're amped up and you're young as a quarterback? You're
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: typically going to miss high.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: And you throw off your back foot all the time.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: You're throwing off your back foot. You see a guy
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: open and you go, oh. And typically when that happens,
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the ball is going to go high. Well, we didn't
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: get to see that. And then you get to see
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: at Auburn, not only is he huge, he's elusive. He's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: elusive in ways. He's elusive in that he can run
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: over you. Or he could simply juke you. He can
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: run around you. Or halfway through that LSU run, he
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: just hits the gas.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: He hits the gas. And Patrick Peterson– one of the
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: both fastest and strongest athletes I have seen is behind him.
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Just gone. And that at the moment where I was like,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I was wrong about everything. Cam Newton is a player
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: who really is like, in terms of just watching him
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: and listening to that story, everything I thought was wrong.
• 26:02
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• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I had to kind of change the way that I
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: viewed everything about the sport. simply because of the example
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he set on and off the field in terms of
• 26:14
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• 26:17
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  Speaker 1: with Spencer Hall talking about Cam Newton 2010. We've just
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: got past the LSU game. They also went out there
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and destroyed Ole Miss the next game. And it's worth noting, right?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: The passing is getting a bit better. Auburn now looks
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: like a legitimate national championship contender. Like I would be
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: very curious to know, how we would have received this
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: team coming into the season. Like, there was no, hey,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: these boys got a quarterback this year hype surrounding them.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: They started the season at number 23, again, because they
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: didn't have any other dudes. But now this is turning
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: into a thing. They're now top, you know, they went
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: into the LSU game at number five they're number three
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: coming out of that game and I believe it is
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: in between homecoming against Chattanooga and the game against Georgia
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: we get the word that I think the way they
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: did it was Auburn suspended him and then immediately appealed
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: and thereby made him active once again so they could
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: conduct an internal investigation because the word on the street
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: was that somebody had offered to give them some money.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: They didn't even have the allegation. The allegation was about
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State allegedly offering $ 180, 000 for Cam Newton to go
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: there in a motel room in Starkville, right? Right. But
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: the allegation was not at that point that Auburn had paid, right?
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Or there was any receipt of money. But now it
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: is out there. Now the biggest story in college football
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is under what was at that time as scandalous a
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: thing as one could propose. We are now here. We've
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: skipped fame and gone straight to infamy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is where everything was wrong. Everything that
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: you assumed about the situation was wrong. And we begin
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: to find that out in rapid succession. First of all,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the idea that the number two team in the nation
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: could lose the player who's responsible for them being number
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: two simply wasn't tolerable. It wasn't tolerable. Like, it just, like,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: for the SEC, for anyone.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like, the one thing about the SEC
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: is they ain't telling. They ain't giving up.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: And in addition to that, the idea that you could
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: be in a situation where you heard the number $ 180, 000.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: That number is very important because I think that is
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a pivotal moment, like for me and for anyone watching
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: the sport, when you go, okay, like at that point,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: my thinking is like, okay, well, we have this stupid system,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: but maybe rules, maybe rules should exist. Maybe there should
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: be some rules. Maybe they might be silly, but we
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: should all abide by them. And then you find out
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: that the price for Cam Newton was $ 180, 000. I will
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: tell you at the time, $ 180, 000. sounded ridiculous sounded absurd
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: it sounded like i just saw what that guy did
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: against lsu that would be worth it at 180 grand
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: it seems doubly absurd to me now that i know
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the price for um i don't know miami quarterback carson
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: beck you tell me you pay carson beck three million
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: dollars or whatever what would i pay cam 10 times that.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: 180 grand. Bo, at the time, you and I knew
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: people who made that money. Yes. At the time, we
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: might have been making that much money. That's an amount
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: of money you can understand.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: Yes. Right?
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Even if you've never made 180 grand a year in
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: your life, you know people who did. And you're like,
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: they're dumb. Or they're not as talented. Or they can't
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: do half of this shit that I do. much less
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: what an athlete like Cam does. 180K, that's a car
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you can envision. You might not own it, right? But
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: you go, oh, okay, 180K. Think about the kind of
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: house 180K bought in 2010. Yes, it's fine. There are nicer, right?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: There are nicer. 180K is not a formidable sum in
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: someone's retirement account. It is a tangible amount of money.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And I think at that point, that has to hit
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: everyone's brain sideways. I know it hit mine because you go, Hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: You should probably pay in the 180 K. It didn't
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: just seem logical. It seemed reasonable and just. Yeah.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Right. Well, I don't think it fully landed with me
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: and I would put a pin at the 180 K
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: until after a couple of weeks.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you about a conversation I had
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: with a buddy of mine in line with this, because
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: I want to, one thing that was interesting in the
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: storyline of this is so I believe it was a
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: black man named Kenny Rogers was the guy that Mississippi
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: State was using as the go-between.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, him and John Bond. John Bond is also involved
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: in this story.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: It was this weird collection of go-between characters and Cam's daddy,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: who was a preacher, and meeting in these hotel rooms,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: and Dan Mullen, who had seen with his own eyes
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: what this was because he was the offensive coordinator at
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: Florida before he got the job at Mississippi State. And
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: so he really, really, really wanted to get Cam. The thing...
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: my understanding was that he didn't quite realize that the
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: KMA really fuck with him like that.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: But he knew better than anybody else.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: What, what that was. And he was at Mississippi state, right?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: This don't, this don't happen over there very often. So
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: he's like, okay, we're going to make this happen. The
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: allegation is they get together in this hotel room. I
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: want to say it's like the day of the egg
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: bowl or something like that in 2009. And somebody flat
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: out asked for the money. directly in front of mullen
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: and mullen says whoa i gotta go i cannot be
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: here for this portion of the discussion he he should
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: have stayed he should have heard every fucking word they
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: had to say but anyway he gets up he leaves
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: this is what the allegation is it's all swirling and
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: it's at a time where we used to lose our
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: minds over three four five thousand dollars this was the
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: biggest number anybody had ever heard okay And Alabama, which
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: has this interesting quirk, at least did at that time
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: in its schedule where they had two rivalry games and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: they would play them basically back to back in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: SEC schedule. One was Georgia. One was Alabama. One would
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: be home. One would be road this year. It was
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Georgia at home. And again, it's the SEC game window.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: It's how is this going to go? And I will
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: never forget. That dude walked out of that tunnel like
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: the biggest rock star that existed, like the full understanding.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: This wasn't the road, so he wasn't coming out and
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: everybody's here to hate me. No, this is the SEC
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: and you're mired in scandal and you're at home. Everybody's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: here to love you. They hate us because they ain't us.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: That is what this is. And he bounded from the
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: tunnel and went in front of the student section and
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, they're about to score a
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: gazillion points and they score 49.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: And did it play in single wing? Yes. Like again,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the line from Jamel Holloway to Cam Newton schematically is
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: not that far. It really is not like it is
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: a very simple offense. It doesn't have a triple option,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: but there are options built into every play. Right. And
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: when those don't work, The next call is Cam. And
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: that was enough to beat anyone. It was enough to
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: beat Georgia. It was enough to beat Alabama on their
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: own field. It's amazing how simple it was. There's also this,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and it's incredible. It's a moment when I think we
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: understand the value of the player as much as we
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: ever have because there was a time, and I don't
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: think this is now. If you look at the college
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: football playoff now, people are savvy enough that we're like, okay,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: we can pay everybody. So now we can start constructing
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: a roster and you can have different strategies on how
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: to do that. Right now, if you look at the
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: teams that are currently in the playoff and, you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: by the time this drops, there will be fewer of them.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: We have different philosophies on how we invest our money.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: You know, we have a hundred points, right? Where do
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: you put those character points? Miami is the closest to
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: the older model where they're like, Oh, we got three talented,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: four talented guys. give them whatever they want and point
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: them as close to the enemy as possible. Right now,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: what if there was a team that had two talented
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: guys and one of them was about 70 to 80%
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: of that talent? Yeah. Over invest. I've never seen a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: team more invested in a single player, single player. Like
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: Vince Young was an extreme case of this. And Cam
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: is over here.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: Because further over. Vince was surrounded by NFL talent.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: That team was top to bottom loaded talent. This team
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: was not. It was this guy. And so they win
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: that game against Georgia. And again, I can't explain to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: people how big the story was, how big the cloud
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: was that was around this. And they went and played
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Alabama the next week. Now, Alabama, to that point, had
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: already lost two games that year, but they weren't getting
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: blown out in these games, right? They lost one of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: their two losses to Jordan Jefferson and LSU.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: That is correct.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: They lost that one, and they lost one to Stephen Garcia.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: in south carolina saban's defense hadn't quite figured out what
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: to do with mobile quarterbacks yet like they didn't have
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to be fast they just had to be able to move.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Also also one wide receiver who was indefensible that day
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: who saban wanted to cover one-on-one and when spurrier saw
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: that he went oh neat.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Just throw that guy does that all shot jeffrey.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: Throw that yeah i'll just throw that big joker there.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: You go don't do the big joker we can't figure
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: it out yeah Alabama was up 27 to nothing at
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: halftime against Auburn. But before we get to that part,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: the Georgia game was you are wrapped in love in
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: the midst of scandal. Mm-hmm. This was the iron bowl
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: on the road. It was Ric Flair time. It's Ric
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Flair time. And they doing stuff like, you know, white
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: people often lose sight of how much we know about
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: their stuff. So they doing stuff that's really funny to
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the white people that I don't think landed with Cam Newton,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like playing Steve Miller band, take the money and run
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: before the game. And I've seen a clip in a
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: documentary of Cam like, yeah, they were playing, take the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: money and run. You know what the fuck they was
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: playing at the time. Like maybe you did. I don't
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: think you was really like, oh shit, that's my jam.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, wait a minute.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: They joking on me. I don't think that's what happened.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. You're telling jokes for you, not for us.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: They were getting their asses kicked. like they were getting
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: run off the field and.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: This i'm gonna be the goose again and then what
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: and then what did a 28 point comeback in the
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: second half they try to call it the cam back
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: because everything needs a name but that don't.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Sound right it ain't it don't matter The name of
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: it is not the point. They walked Alabama down in
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: their house, and it ain't really they. He walked Alabama
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: down in their house, and this time, they couldn't run
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: the ball. They stopped him on the ground. It was
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: like 22 carries, 39 yards on the ground. Passing this time,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: it was 13 for 20 for 216. And that Auburn
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: defense that could only play with a lead, this time,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: they got their shit together, and they won this. That
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: is Again, as impressive a one-man performance as you could,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: given the circumstances, given the pressure, given the stakes, like
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: if it's just the iron bowl with nothing else attached
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: to it, this is crazy enough.
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I listened to this game on the radio because I
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: was driving back from another game and I listened to
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: it on the radio and the sound that the Alabama
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: radio crew was making by the fourth quarter. It was
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: the sound of somebody who was being told of a
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: bad diagnosis at the doctor every time they opened their mouth. Right?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: It's like just increasing stages of like, okay, your test
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: came back positive. Oh, that's not good. Positive for what? Well,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it's cancer. Oh boy, that's real bad. Right? Then he
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: scores like, you know, it gets up to 21. Then
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: it's like, well, what stage is it? They're like stage nine.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: You're like, I thought there, I thought there were only
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: four stages. And they're like, surprise. You're the one, you're
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: the first one who's had stage nine. Like that was
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: every single score. It just kept getting worse. It kept
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: getting worse. And it was, it was a little more
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: mythical for me because I didn't see it at first.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: I've watched it since. And it's way cooler in the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: radio version where I don't know how he's doing it. Right.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: And it was, there was an air of defiance, obviously
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: to it. And the Alabama angle takes us back to
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: another part of the scandal that I think had kind
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: of been lost, which was, The two powers of the
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: conference at that point in time are Alabama and Florida.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: And it felt like both of them had their hand
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: a bit in this controversy and this scandal and this
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: investigation coming about because now we also hear about all
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: the stuff that happened at Florida, the cheating on tests,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: the laptop situation, right? And the question that always comes
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: up with any of this stuff in the SEC is,
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: who told because they got a real stop snitching thin
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: blue line situation about all of this stuff down there
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: like we get caught we get caught but you don't
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: get to tell right phil fromer skipped out on sec
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: media day how many times trying to avoid the subpoena
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: when alabama accused him of snitching.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah and then got served at sec yeah they.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Got served yeah but it was just like yeah this
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: is this is the thing right so auburn getting this
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: good alabama can't abide by that florida Needs Cam to
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: not be so good because while this is going on,
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: by the way, Florida stinks and Urban Meyer's on the
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: way out the door. We didn't realize it at the time.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Mississippi State, they're furious, right? Because they were sure that
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: they were going to be able to get him and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: they did not. And now it's the game against Alabama
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and he just straight walks them down.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Can I walk that out a little bit?
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: Sure. Okay.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: Because you've covered Florida, you've covered Mississippi State, you've covered Alabama,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: you've covered Auburn. Keep going. I think this is one
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: of the cracks in the foundation at Georgia that is
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: eventually one of the things that leads to the downfall
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: of the Mark Richt era. Yeah. Because how did you
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: let him leave? How did you let him get out
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: of here? Did you see that guy, Mark? He's too
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: big to miss. How did you not get him? And
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: then we start noticing all the other talent at quarterback
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: in Georgia that ends up going elsewhere.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Yep. They asked him to play tight end. Rodney Gardner
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: went to Westlake, told him to play tight end.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, walk that out a little bit because it's not good. Yeah, yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: It's not good at all. I mean, Sean Watson went
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: to high school, what, 20 minutes away?
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. There's also an alternate timeline where if he
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: is the rented mule, and those were the words that
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Cecil Newton used to describe what he feared Cam Newton
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: would be at Mississippi State. And I think that has
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: to do with usage as well.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Although that's exactly what happened at Auburn. Well, that's exactly
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: what happened at Auburn.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. So he is used as a
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: rented mule in Auburn, but nobody stops him. I think
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: maybe Cecil even underestimated what Cam was going to do
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: because I know what they would have had him do
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: at Mississippi State. And that would have been QB power. Yes.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: A lot.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: He would have been going battering ram Tebow style straight
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: up the middle. Right. And that's. not what he ended
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: up doing at auburn but i think the results would
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: have been the same yeah you know like we saw
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: a dude nobody.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Could tackle look and that look i can skip to
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: the next part by the way they beat the dog
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: shit out of south carolina in the sec championship game
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: when they play again and then in a rather unimpressive
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: performance from cam they won the national championship game a
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: game i did not see live because i got food
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: poisoning from a taco place in los angeles when i
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: was out there to do jim rome's burning it was
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: a really terrible situation um Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was rough.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say which one because they had
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: national chain, but they did me dirty and I'll never
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: go back there again. But this gets me back to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: the $ 180, 000 and the conversation that I had with a
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: buddy of mine, my man Chief. Chief is a, well,
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I think he's still at A & T, but he's
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: an economics professor. He also played college football at Ole Miss.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: And Chief said to me once, and I hadn't really
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: thought about this, but he was right. And he said,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: here's why that $ 180, 000 was a steal. And he says,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: If you had put Cam Newton on any team in
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: the top 25, and keep in mind, like Stanford with
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck was in the top 25 that year, okay?
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: We're saying any team, if you put Cam Newton, that
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: quarterback of that team, that team would win a national championship.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: And we know this to be true because the least
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: talented team in the top 25 that year from top
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: to bottom was Auburn.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: And they won a national championship with Cam Newton. If
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: you put Cam Newton on Florida, which still had a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bunch of players at that time, not even, not even
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: urban and Steve Adazio could have messed that up.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't have like, that's the ifs that come
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: off of him and off of this case, if Florida
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: keeps him, that's another title. I feel certain saying that
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: I don't even think that the 2009 version, of Alabama,
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: which was a very tuned in version of Alabama. I
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: don't think they beat Cam Newton one-on-one. No, I don't.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: And I know that because the following year they didn't. Right.
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: With a lot of the same personnel. So I don't think,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I don't think they get around that. I think that
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: if you, if Gene Chizik, okay. Who, by the way,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: like we know who Gene Chizik is because of Cam Newton. Yes.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: like that's it. He would be, he would be a footnote.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: He gets an extent. He gets a contract out of that.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: He gets a buyout out of that. He gets additional
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: jobs out of it. He gets a TV gig. He
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: gets a TV gig out of that. You don't get
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: a TV gig unless you won that title. Yeah. With
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: that Auburn team.
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: If, if Auburn isn't in that race, they don't end
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: up in the title game versus Oregon and Oregon potentially
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: has a title. because oregon plays a very ugly game
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that is one of the ugliest games i've ever attended
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: i was there it's unwatchable but oregon probably would have
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: won that game right versus almost anyone else but in
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: the second half again cam gets it together and they
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: do what they did all year and they come back
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: and win that game so the ducks have a championship
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: game and potentially a championship after that right which would
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: give the pac-12 a championship which you know they they
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: I haven't had since.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: A non-USC championship.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: A non-USC championship at that. The rarest of all things.
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you this about the way Chizik goes
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: in this. And so Chizik had been the defensive coordinator
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: at Auburn in 2004 when they went undefeated and were loaded, okay?
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Loaded on offense, loaded on defense, just flat out loaded.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And that is actually a very important paradigmatic shift in
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: the way that we thought about the sec because Oklahoma
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: was the number two team that year. And they went
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: and got their doors blown off by USC. And that
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: became the, you can't keep an sec champion out under
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: like ever again.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: That's the way people looked at it.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Chizik went to Texas for a couple of years as
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: defense coordinator. He's the defensive coordinator in oh five. Where again,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: what Gene Chizik is really good at is telling really
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: good defensive players to go be really good defensive players.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: great gift, right? He goes and coaches at Iowa State,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: five and 19 over the course of two years. He
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: gets the Auburn job in 2009. Black people got a
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: lot of questions about how such a thing ever happens, okay? 2010,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: they win that national championship. I'll never forget this. We
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: did around the horn before the start of the college
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: football season in 2011, like opening weekend, and I want
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: to say Auburn was playing against Utah State And I
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: was FaceTime. I mean, not FaceTime, the showdown. That's what
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: they called it. So I'm doing the showdown, and I say, hey,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on Auburn and see what they look
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: like without Cam Newton. And reality hit me like that
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: was the most obvious thing in the world to say.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, brother, I don't think you understand what
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Chucky Keeton is about to beat them in Auburn.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Yep, and almost did. Almost did. But they were– Eight
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: and five that next year, which is to say, and
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I believe this is a fair characterization, Cam Newton was
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: worth five wins. all by himself.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: At least which in football, which in football terms is incalculable.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: We talk about like, like value over replacement player. It's
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: very hard to calculate with a short, with a small
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: data set like football. It really is right. Like it's just,
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: you got 11 guys on each side. It's very difficult.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: But if you want to do a big raw number,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: go look at this quarterback is worth X. This quarterback
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: is this much of your production. That's the thing that
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: you can go look at and look at how much
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: production Cam Newton was worth versus any other player relative
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: to the team. I don't mean in total yards. You
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: can go search the stats and go, okay, well, this
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: guy had more total yards. How many total yards out
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: of your team's production were we talking about here? How
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: many touchdowns can I attach to him? There are guys
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: who have had these kind of seasons in terms of
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: dominance across sports. There are very few of them who
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: have had it in football, right? And if you're going
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: to look, the pros are not where you want to
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: look at. You want to look in college where you
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: can take one player and hitch an entire squad to
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: them and maybe get nine plays. Like look at Diego Pavia.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: We know Diego Pavia's name because he's been the anchor
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: for the Commodores, entire effort to be a legitimate football
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: team in the sec in 2024 and 2025 we know
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: his name he's got outstanding numbers i voted for him
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: for the heisman was that wrong now that i've watched
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: trinidad chambliss in the playoffs potentially potentially i will confess
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: might have made the wrong vote there buddy um but
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you know his name because he is so much of
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: their total production and i will tell you that whatever
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: diego diego pavi has done probably about half as much
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: as what Cam did proportionally against the entire prime SEC
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: schedule of 2010.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Do you realize how good and talented one has to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: be to put up the passing stat lines that Cam
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: did at Auburn and for the NFL of 2011 to say,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: come on over.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: Come on down.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: We'll figure this out. Like we got, I remember when
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: that draft was coming up, I was talking to a
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: guy who knew some things and he was like the
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Panthers at first, they were really locked in on two guys,
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Patrick Peterson and AJ green, by the way, this is
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: one of the great drafts of all time. We're going
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to do one of these episodes about the 2011 draft, um,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: in a few weeks. Um, But there was no question.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: In a draft that had Von Miller, in a draft
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that proved to have J.J. Watt, that had Richard Sherman,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: we can go up and down all the guys that
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: wound up being taken in that draft. If you redo
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: that draft with all the Hall of Famers that we
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: already know are in that draft, if we redo that draft,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: the number one pick is Cam Newton, period. Even with
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: the short career, right, he's not going to end up
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame, all of that. The number
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: one pick in that draft is Cam Newton.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I would argue that you want to talk about
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: two franchises that he carried, you know, he got the
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: Carolina Panthers to a Superbowl. He didn't get them out
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: with a win, but he got them to a Superbowl,
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: which in terms of franchise impact, it's incredible.
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: Also survived a car crash that probably would have killed
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: anyone else. And he walked away from it. He did
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: when he was at Carolina. I don't, This gets to,
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: you know, we've made a bunch of points that I
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: hope are relatively smart and humble, but also at the
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: same time complicated and interesting to everybody. This is the
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: point where I would like to remind everybody that Cam,
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: in addition to being what I think is the single
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: most valuable player in the history of college football to
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: one single team, and also a pivotal point in college
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: football history, I would like to make the extremely smart
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: point that I don't think you know how big this
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: motherfucker is.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: No.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: That's a huge man.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: No.
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: Football players think he's big. His numbers, I don't care
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: what his numbers say. Like, when you say somebody is
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: a big 6'4, Yo, it's impossible to explain.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Like, I know people who are 240 pounds, right? There
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: are people who are listening to this that are 240 pounds.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: It's not the same. It is impossible to explain how
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: big he is. It was so funny. The Super Bowl
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, and that's when he had made the
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: game changer game manager quote. And I'll never forget. I
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: think Dominique gave him some hell over that.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I did not.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: I knew exactly what that guy was talking about when
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: he said that, right? Dominique said he walked past cam.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: It was like, Oh, okay. I understand what he's talking
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: about now.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: No, no, it's not. It doesn't make sense. He's built
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: like master chief. Like he looks like a space Marine.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: He is the biggest thing on the field. Even if
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: there are other bigger things, right? Everything's huge on him.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: He's got big calves. Like he has the calves of
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: an offensive lineman. Like when he lines up, I remember
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: seeing him at Florida and, And he came out on
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: the field, and I remember thinking, I was like, oh,
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: that's a big tackle. That's a, oh, that's Cam. Yeah, shit. Like, I,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: in terms of what a quarterback could be, we're used
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: to quarterbacks being tall and some of them being kind
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: of muscular. I don't think you're as big in terms
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: of total bulk. Like, we don't have Josh Allen-sized dudes, right?
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: Very often, but we have them a lot more now
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: that you have a guy like cam. And now we
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: see prospects like that and go, yeah, sure. Go ahead. Start,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: start a power forward at quarterback. Right. Start a center.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: Hell.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: He's like the, he's like the Darnell Washington of quarterbacks.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Right, like just incalculably huge. Should not be that size.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: If anything, you know, this is a real dumb point
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I'm making, but I hope that if you go back
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: and look at what he's doing to the LSU defense
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: in 2010 on that run, or if you go back
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: and look at his highlights, just know that when he
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: was passing you, it was like a van sweeping by
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: you in a parking lot. Like it made a noise.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: He's just.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't make sense. I've seen the mic'd up with
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: one of the Bosa's. Pardon me if I can't remember
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: which one or distinguish between the two. But one of
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: the Bosa's mic'd up talking about tackling Josh Allen and Josh.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: And they said, the ref is like, hey, man, that
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: was a little low. Next time I'm going to have
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: to probably throw a flag if you go in that
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: low on him. And Bosa looks at him and goes.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Look at him.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? And,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: you know, this is somebody who is also huge, right?
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: an extremely strong, a 99th percentile human being in terms
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: of physical capability. And he's looking at this guy like,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: this is a question from hell. I can't answer it.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: You're asking me to do something I don't want to
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: and can't do. He's one of the few players who
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: is metaphorically and literally as big as he should be
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: in terms of college football history.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: He was that guy. And this is Time Machine Tuesdays.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: We're going to do this every Tuesday, man. Brother Spencer Hall,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: check him out at Channel 6. This was fun. I
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: am enjoying this.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Listen, we're going to do Manziel.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: When Manziel's time comes, we are definitely going to get
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: to Manziel because that was a time that is good.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: That is the way to put it. If you want cameo,
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: time was had.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: Now imagine this. Imagine you put Cam Newton on the
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: team that Manziel jumped onto that had three first-round picks
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: on the offensive line, Mike Evans, and the man who
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: one day still might put it all together, Christian Michael,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: at running back.
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: We wouldn't have those 24-17 games now, would we? LAUGHTER No,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: it'd be week four and everyone going, what? Yeah.
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: That would be a team that had a legitimate, I
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: don't know, I think they could keep it close against
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: the Cardinals.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm going to give you, listen, I'm going to
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: give you, yeah, they might, but I'm going to give
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you the haters, the haters prescription, which is, you know
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: what they'd be, Bo, at the end of the season?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: Eight and five.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Yes. Eight and five.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: They would.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Somehow, someway, even if they weren't eight and five, somehow
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: it would be like this year, where at the end,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: Aggie felt eight and five, now didn't you? Didn't it
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: feel just like eight and five?
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Right before that, I wrote that the two most psychologically
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: shattering things that could happen, like the worst possible case
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: is that if A & M lost to Texas and
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: then they lost in the playoff. And Bo, they lost
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: to Texas and they lost in the playoff.
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: My favorite thing about that is that I never wanted
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: Texas to play them again. Like, when I was really
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: invested in that. I was like, you want to go
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to the SEC?
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Fine.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Never play them again.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Leave with the belt, right?
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never play them again. Case McCoy walked
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: you down at your house. Never play them again. And instead,
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: Texas has chosen to take that to another level of,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: how about we just never lose to them again, huh?
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: What you think about that? Like, the fact that A &
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: M could not win that game the first year that
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: the series was resuscitated and it was in their house?
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Never no ones to them again it's.
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Just it's devastating it's devastating but i'm making jokes about
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: eight and five that texas a & m team with
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: cam newton would have um people would still shudder eyes
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: would twitch you'd be like how how how'd you lose
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: by 70 points to a football team and you'd go listen.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: Listen i was there they would have been 10 and
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: 0 after seven games Yeah.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: We would have just given them additional. NCAA just would
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: have investigated on principle. Yeah. been like something's happening yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: They've been like 10 8 rounds in boxing like that's
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: just except instead of a 10 8 round if they
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: let you get 11.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Oh okay listen you want to talk about sec omerta
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: okay you want to talk about keeping lacosa nostra quiet
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and not snitching okay sec you say we're good at
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: it no there's gossip how often How often does everybody
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: you know talk about college football calls up and goes, listen,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: I got eight or nine things from this week. Oh, yeah.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: They gossip, but they don't call the cops.
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: No, they don't call the cops. Okay. Well, at the time,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: we got Big 12 Texas A & M, right? Yes.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: They're calling the cops.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: They're calling the cops. There's all kinds of Texas. First
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: of all, Texas. A & M is going to win
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: five games by 30 points each, and Texas is going
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: to convene the state house.
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: Be like, well, we got to outlaw this.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this has to stop right now.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: That can't be real.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: They would have arrested Cam at Memorial Stadium before they
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: allowed him to actually play any football there.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: But listen, you're like, oh, well, why would there be
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: a cop on the field at Texas A & M? Listen,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: they're bumping shoulders in.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: The tunnel in 2025. What do you think they wouldn't
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: do in 2010?
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: That's right. That's right.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: My brother. I appreciate you, man.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:00:25
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• 1:00:26
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• 1:00:28
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