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Genesis 6 in America? | Nicholas Daigle | The Week in Bible Prophecy · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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  Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Hey everyone, Mono Gonzalez here in studio and we have
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas Diggle joining us, and I'll give you a little
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  Speaker 2: bit of background.
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  Speaker 3: Some of you certainly know or you might not know that.
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  Speaker 2: Part of my background is in archaeology and primarily Middle
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  Speaker 2: Eastern archaeology. But as always you get to learn a
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  Speaker 2: lot about all the different archaeology of the world in
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  Speaker 2: some of my hobbies and personal time. And one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that we've done over the past years is
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  Speaker 2: we've created a group called the Filio Research Group PRG,
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  Speaker 2: and we've done a lot of discussions and trips and
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  Speaker 2: investigations of different parts across the South and really the Midwest.
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  Speaker 2: It's been really fun we look at different things, even
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  Speaker 2: to Peru. Well recently in the past couple of years,
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  Speaker 2: Nicholas has joined our team and has really been a
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  Speaker 2: great researcher in some of the things that we've been discussing.
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  Speaker 2: So many of you might know Brent Height of Brent
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  Speaker 2: Height Outdoors. He lives in Arkansas. He's been studying a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these topics. Really, I would say his entire life.
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  Speaker 2: Another good buddy of ours who's in our group is
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  Speaker 2: named Davis. I don't know if he wants his last name,
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  Speaker 2: but that's why I won't do it.
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  Speaker 4: But anyways, but Nicholas is with me.
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  Speaker 2: Today because he wrote a book recently based on a
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  Speaker 2: lot of the research he's done, as well as some
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  Speaker 2: of the other biblical topics.
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  Speaker 4: And so Nicholas, welcome, Hi, Thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 2: Mondo your book, Dennis Is six and the Ozarks, and
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  Speaker 2: maybe for those in our audience, maybe give us a
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  Speaker 2: background to what led you to even consider a book
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  Speaker 2: like this.
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  Speaker 1: So I'd never if you would have told me three
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  Speaker 1: years ago, two years ago that I was going to
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  Speaker 1: be writing a book, I wouldn't. I wouldn't believe you.
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  Speaker 1: It really all started about two years ago whenever I
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  Speaker 1: started to read their Genesis, and I was going through
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  Speaker 1: the Genesis account, and then I came up to Genesis
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  Speaker 1: six and read about the sons of God going into
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  Speaker 1: the darters of man and creating these beings called the Nephilim.
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  Speaker 1: I had never for me. For me, it felt like
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  Speaker 1: that little portion was just kind of out of place,
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  Speaker 1: because you talk about creation and then Cain killing Abel
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  Speaker 1: mankind a Caine's descendants start to spread amongst the earth
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  Speaker 1: and then talk about Noah, and then all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: before the flood, you had just this little five passages
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  Speaker 1: where it talks about the sons of God, and I
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  Speaker 1: felt like it was kind of out of place, but
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  Speaker 1: really it kind of it set the stage for the
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  Speaker 1: rest of the whole the rest of the biblical narrative
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  Speaker 1: and the flood and why the flood came so it
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  Speaker 1: that it really my journey really started a couple of
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  Speaker 1: years ago when I started to delve into the Genesis
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  Speaker 1: six narrative. Of course, to learn what it truly meant,
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  Speaker 1: I'm I went through several resources. I watched a lot
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  Speaker 1: of SkyWatch TV, Tom Horne, Derreck Gilbert, Timothy Alberino, and
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  Speaker 1: La Morzoli. They were kind of the bread and butter
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  Speaker 1: of what I my beginning stages. And Michael doctor Michael Heizer,
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  Speaker 1: so the truly good understanding of what the Genesis sixth
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  Speaker 1: narrative was. There was a documentary that I had seen
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  Speaker 1: and it was called Angels and Giants in the no Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Angels and Giants neflim in the Watchers, and that I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that really laid the foundation for me of
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  Speaker 1: what the whole narrative is, the true narrative is for
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  Speaker 1: the Genesis six narrative, that it's not the Sethite view.
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  Speaker 1: It was not the sons of Seth with the daughters
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  Speaker 1: of Cane mating, but it was fallen angels mating with
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  Speaker 1: female human women, creating the hybrid entities called the nephylum.
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  Speaker 1: So that really that solidified it for me. But then
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  Speaker 1: also I watched Graham Hancock's Ancient Apocalypse, So I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if you've ever seen that or not, but it's
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  Speaker 1: not it's definitely not a from a biblical standpoint. But
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  Speaker 1: being a person of faith and just having watched the
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  Speaker 1: Angels and Giants my eyes, I went into that documentary
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  Speaker 1: not even expecting the Genesis narrative to be throughout spread
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  Speaker 1: throughout that documentary, but to my dismay, it was. I meant,
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  Speaker 1: he talks about different cultures having a worldwide flood, different
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  Speaker 1: cultures having these megalithic temples that were or megalithic structures
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  Speaker 1: that were supposedly built by giants of that time, the
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  Speaker 1: Pyramid of Kaloo of being one of them, was supposedly
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  Speaker 1: built after a flood by a race of giants to
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  Speaker 1: escape the next flood if they they were afraid of
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  Speaker 1: another flood coming. So it, like I said, it really
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  Speaker 1: just kind of opened my eyes how Genesis six is
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  Speaker 1: really throughout all ancient civilizations. In every single origin story,
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  Speaker 1: every flood myth, giants fall. Giants are also included along
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  Speaker 1: with godlike little god beings coming down and mating with
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  Speaker 1: orders of man making perversing humankind even worse than they
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  Speaker 1: already had from the Garden of Eden and plunging us
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  Speaker 1: even further into darkness and despair, which made God have
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  Speaker 1: to bring the flood.
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  Speaker 4: So that's good.
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  Speaker 2: So the and just so people understand is you know
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  Speaker 2: your background. You're a very intellectual guy. You're a science guy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: what do you you know if you're willing to share
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  Speaker 2: kind of talk about your even your like, what do
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  Speaker 2: you do for for work, for for living in your
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  Speaker 2: educational background.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's funny because I have nothing to do
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  Speaker 1: with archaeology or biblical studies. I'm a hospice nurse. So
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  Speaker 1: I've been a nurse since twenty seventeen and for the
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  Speaker 1: majority of the past nine years of my nursing career.
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  Speaker 1: Six of it has been hospice. So with hospice, I
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  Speaker 1: needed an avenue to escape some of the I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it can be pretty hard, you know, it can be
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  Speaker 1: pretty draining, emotionally draining. So I needed something to escape.
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  Speaker 1: And that's where this study of biblical archaeology kind of
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  Speaker 1: came into play because it provides me a good avenue
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  Speaker 1: and something that I enjoy. And also it brought fellowship
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  Speaker 1: me coming into contact with you and Brent and Damis
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  Speaker 1: and becoming a part of the PRG pale Or Research Group.
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  Speaker 1: So not only was it just a good avenue, but
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  Speaker 1: it also has created a brotherhood.
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  Speaker 2: You could say, yeah, absolutely, So you know, the it's
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  Speaker 2: interesting too. You know, there's no doubt you have the
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  Speaker 2: story in the Bible, and there's no doubt we know
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  Speaker 2: we've done a lot. It's certainly Marzulli, myself and other
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  Speaker 2: have done a lot in the sense of researching. And
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  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, we know LA's got thirty films
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  Speaker 2: and I've been to prom with him several times and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of.
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  Speaker 3: Just research as relates to the giants in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: So let me ask you this question though, because you
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  Speaker 2: know the title of the book is Genesis six and
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  Speaker 2: basically the Ozarks. So talk about first of all, where
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  Speaker 2: are the Ozarks because a lot of people might not
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  Speaker 2: know that. And secondly, what brings you to the point
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  Speaker 2: of saying, well, hey, somebody might say, well, Genesis six,
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  Speaker 2: the giants are in the Middle East, and why is
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  Speaker 2: this guy connecting Genesis six and giants in the Ozarks?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so Ozark. First off, the Ozarks pretty much
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  Speaker 1: the Ozarks entails I'd say at least seventy percent of Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: so like central Missouri, down the southern Missouri, like the
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  Speaker 1: northwest part of Arkansas, a little bit into the east
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  Speaker 1: part of Oklahoma. That's pretty much the most of the Ozarks.
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  Speaker 1: And it's made up of the Ozark Mountains. That's why
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  Speaker 1: it's called the Ozark region. So the reason why I
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  Speaker 1: specifically wanted to hone in on the Ozarks, like I
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  Speaker 1: had said, I'm a hospice nurse. My wife's to teach
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  Speaker 1: a school teacher at the local school where we have
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  Speaker 1: three children. We're expecting child number four. She's about to
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  Speaker 1: not even be teaching because she's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: stay at home mom. I don't have the means to
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  Speaker 1: be able to go to Peru, go to Egypt and
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  Speaker 1: see the pyramids. Go to Sardinia, see these megalithic structures,
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  Speaker 1: go to Malta. I mean, I'd love to go to
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  Speaker 1: all these different locations, and hopefully Lord willing, one day,
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  Speaker 1: maybe with PRG will be able to go God willing,
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  Speaker 1: But I had to. I wanted to see if there
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  Speaker 1: was anything local that I could look at in my
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  Speaker 1: free time on my days off that could point to
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  Speaker 1: the existence of giants, because I truly believe that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: they started in the Middle East, but when Joshua kicked
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  Speaker 1: them out of the land of Canaan, I mean, they
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  Speaker 1: just spread like wildfire all over the rest of the earth,
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  Speaker 1: to the point to where you have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: Native American lore and tales of red haired giants, like
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  Speaker 1: the redheaded giants of Lovelock Cave. So if these beings
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  Speaker 1: were an infestation among the earth, then theoretically, couldn't you
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  Speaker 1: say that anybody locally can probably look into newspaper archives
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  Speaker 1: and find evidence of giants being in their area at
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  Speaker 1: one point or another. So that's kind of what got
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  Speaker 1: me into it. I knew that there was I meant
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  Speaker 1: with people like Fritz Zimmerman he's done a lot of
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  Speaker 1: research in the Ohio River Valley and he's found great
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  Speaker 1: research pointing to giants being there buried in the mounds
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  Speaker 1: there in the Ohio River Valley. Well, and it's funny
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  Speaker 1: because part of my research arted from him, because he
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  Speaker 1: has a book called The Encyclopedia of Ancient Giants in
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  Speaker 1: North America. Well in there, I mean, it primarily talks
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  Speaker 1: about all the newspaper articles relating to giant skeletons that
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  Speaker 1: were found in the Ohio River Valley, but he has
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  Speaker 1: other ones from other locations around the US. Well, when
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  Speaker 1: reading that book, I came across one specific to Springfield, Missouri,
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  Speaker 1: where I live, and it was an article from nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirty four about a gentleman named Sterling, Reverend Newberry. He
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  Speaker 1: was a Baptist missionary Baptist pastor, and in nineteen thirty
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  Speaker 1: four he found a burial mound close to Springfield that
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  Speaker 1: had eight different people buried in it. One was the
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  Speaker 1: article claims a giant he was. Other articles claim he
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  Speaker 1: was about seven foot, and then the rest were that
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  Speaker 1: of normal sized humans. But it was just interesting because
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  Speaker 1: the way they were buried in this burial, they were
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  Speaker 1: aligned like one of them was laying north south the
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  Speaker 1: next and then another one was later on top of him,
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  Speaker 1: laying east west to where a bird eye view looking down,
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  Speaker 1: they would form a crisscross pattern or look like a
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  Speaker 1: cross laid out like a cross north south east west,
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  Speaker 1: and then there was two buried. Then they had another
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  Speaker 1: set of two buried on top of the same pattern,
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  Speaker 1: then another set of two, and the last set of
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  Speaker 1: two in the crook of the arm of the seven
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  Speaker 1: foot skeleton. They had actually a stone sacrificial bowl. So
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  Speaker 1: what Newbury perceived is that this seven footer must have
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  Speaker 1: been some kind of high priest or some kind of
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  Speaker 1: I mean, almost treated as a deity among these people,
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  Speaker 1: and these seven others were servants that were sacrificed to
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  Speaker 1: serve him in the next life. So and this this
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  Speaker 1: is what the article read. So pretty much my book
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  Speaker 1: is my journey on taking a deeper dive into that
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  Speaker 1: article specifically and on Sterling Newberry. Of course, Fritz Zimmerman
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  Speaker 1: book only mentions just that one article, but by getting
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  Speaker 1: in the newspaper archives, I have found other stuff pertaining
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  Speaker 1: to Sterling Newberry that he found all pretty much within
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  Speaker 1: the years of nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty six
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  Speaker 1: a cave with Aztec style pottery, which I mean that
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be found here in mid Missouri or southern Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was a one of them was a
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  Speaker 1: bowl with a snake body that morphed into a panther head.
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  Speaker 1: I meant that that's not common for around here. Another
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  Speaker 1: one was a bowl with an owl head. So pretty
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  Speaker 1: much my book goes on my journey of trying to
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  Speaker 1: find these locations by using you know, old plat maps,
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  Speaker 1: old old records, genealogical records, and finding these locations. And
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  Speaker 1: I believe that I did find them. And I mean,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, it's all laid out of my book too.
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  Speaker 4: So so before you go on there is so there's
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  Speaker 4: no doubt. I imagine many people.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe many people we get, We get a lot of
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  Speaker 2: I don't know response from the work that we do. Again,
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  Speaker 2: we we will go and explore caves and we'll explore
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  Speaker 2: properties that people put in front of us, you know,
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  Speaker 2: through the Paleo Research Group, and we we dig in
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  Speaker 2: you know a lot of different places and so which
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  Speaker 2: a lot of what we've done we've gone to other
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  Speaker 2: you know, museums, and different things. So in that sense,
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  Speaker 2: you know you coming on has been great. But you say,
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  Speaker 2: well I went to the archives. Well, for the average person,
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean? Talk maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: in detail about what you did, because I imagine many
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  Speaker 2: people are skeptical and they're like, well, where's this guy
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  Speaker 2: getting his information from? From Fritz Zimmerman's book only, So
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  Speaker 2: how did you go along to again, thinking like an
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  Speaker 2: archaeologist or someone who's looking at the evidence, where did
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  Speaker 2: you go?
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  Speaker 4: What did you do?
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  Speaker 2: You you mentioned a little bit about the plot map,
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  Speaker 2: so maybe unpack that a little bit for us your methody.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So, so, for instance, a lot of my
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  Speaker 1: research was going to the local library and looking into
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  Speaker 1: newspaper archives at these different newspapers of the giant skeleton
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  Speaker 1: and some of the artifacts that Sterling Newberry.
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  Speaker 2: Found, like like the micro fisher is it is it
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  Speaker 2: more advanced now?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more advanced now. It's it's all digital now.
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  Speaker 1: So it was the newspaper newspaper, I think it's newspapers
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  Speaker 1: dot com.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, but.
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  Speaker 1: Since I'm a member at the local library, I get
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  Speaker 1: to get on there for free. But it's also looking
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  Speaker 1: at looking at history of spring Feet like. So there's
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  Speaker 1: a book from nineteen fourteen called The History of Springfield,
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  Speaker 1: and I pulled some of my research from there too
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  Speaker 1: that pertains to some of these certain locations where Newberry
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  Speaker 1: was at also looking in newspaper records at genealogical records.
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  Speaker 1: So the reason I would need genealogical records is primarily
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  Speaker 1: to find the location of where this seven foot skeleton
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  Speaker 1: was found. Because in the article it talks about there
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  Speaker 1: was three gentlemen, one being a Denver break, one being
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  Speaker 1: Sterling Newberry who was the archaeologist, and then one being
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  Speaker 1: William Sarton who was a minor. Well William Sartin. In
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  Speaker 1: my research, I was able to understand why Newbery would
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  Speaker 1: have a miner on his team. He needed someone to eescavate.
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  Speaker 1: Newberry was on the team because he was the lead
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  Speaker 1: archaeologist or amateur archaeologist as the newspaper article says it.
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  Speaker 1: But then this Denver break was a farmer. Well, that
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  Speaker 1: is where I believe I was able to find the
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  Speaker 1: location because it didn't make sense in the in the
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  Speaker 1: newspaper article it said specifically he was a farmer. Well,
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  Speaker 1: why would a farmer be part of a team unless
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  Speaker 1: it land rights.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So, and the article is very vague, Like the article
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  Speaker 1: mentioned that this burial mound with this seven foot skeleton
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  Speaker 1: was near the Holman Ranch off the James River on
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  Speaker 1: a bluff. Well, the thing is is where the old
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  Speaker 1: Homan Ranch used to be. It's that is actually east
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  Speaker 1: of Springfield and where the old Homan Ranch would be,
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  Speaker 1: there's there now lays a wild Animal Safari where you
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  Speaker 1: can like drive through and feed animals and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: So that that rest on what used to be the
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  Speaker 1: Holeman Ranch. You know, Holeman Ranch was there one hundred
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  Speaker 1: years ago. Well, well, the animal safari is only like
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  Speaker 1: three hundred acres. The Holeman Ranch was two thousand acres. Wow,
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  Speaker 1: So it's it would have been. It would have been
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  Speaker 1: a massive community. And the James River follows the border
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  Speaker 1: of the Holeman Ranch for at least seven miles. Some
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, crap, that's like a needle in a
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  Speaker 1: haystack trying to find a bluff near the Holeman Ranch
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  Speaker 1: on the James River. I mean that's seven or eight
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  Speaker 1: miles I'd have to track, and there's bluffs all along
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  Speaker 1: the river. So it really was almost impossible until I looked,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, at Denver Break, and I saw that
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  Speaker 1: he owned that he was a farmer. Some I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, maybe he owned the property. So that's why
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  Speaker 1: I went looking at plat maps to see if I
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  Speaker 1: can find land ownership of this den For this Denver Break,
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  Speaker 1: I was not able to find any land in nineteen
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  Speaker 1: thirties that was owned by Denver Break on the James River.
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  Speaker 1: But I found land that was owned by his uncle,
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  Speaker 1: An sm Break and a aw Break. Actually sm Break
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  Speaker 1: was his grandfather and then aw was his uncle, so
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  Speaker 1: it was handed down to his uncle Adeb. So when
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  Speaker 1: I look specifically like I use a lot of light
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  Speaker 1: or images in my book too. Our friend Brent, he's
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  Speaker 1: hooked me up. He's he's kind of taken me under
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  Speaker 1: his wing, taught me how to do this light or technology.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely feel like I have a I'm
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  Speaker 1: definitely predisposed to being able to know how to work
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  Speaker 1: it and spot things on it. Have definitely have a
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  Speaker 1: natural act for it. But Brent has definitely taught me
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  Speaker 1: and guided me through how to use and manipulate the
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  Speaker 1: software too. So looking at the light ar map, I
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  Speaker 1: was able to see on this little plot of land
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  Speaker 1: that was owned by aw Break there is. It is
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  Speaker 1: near the Holman Ranch, it's off the James River and
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  Speaker 1: there's a massive bluff there. So it was through that
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  Speaker 1: I was able to gain access. You know. I talked
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  Speaker 1: with the landowners who currently own it now. Brent also
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  Speaker 1: helped me with that to get in touch with them,
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  Speaker 1: and I got on there. And then I have some
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  Speaker 1: other local friends, one being a guy named James Clary
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  Speaker 1: and another guy being Doug Porter, who we've gone and
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  Speaker 1: looked at different sites too. Well. We went out and
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  Speaker 1: checked this bluff one day and Doug noticed that there's
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  Speaker 1: actually a burm structure up on top of that that bluff.
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  Speaker 1: So a burm structure, as you we know, is some
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  Speaker 1: kind of mound structure and it's rectangular or square in shape.
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  Speaker 1: And Doug really believed that that was most likely a
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  Speaker 1: prehistoric structure. So we had we him and I started
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to really hone in on that. Early last year, we
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: went out there, we surveyed, did some mapping of it,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: and it was just very interesting because not only did
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we discover a prehistoric structure, but we also discovered something
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that was historically used. The prehistoric structure that was used
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: historically as well, because within that berm structure, it was
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: there was trees in there, but a lot of the
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: trees were, you know, look to be fifty sixty years old,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: but on the outside of the berm structure they all
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: looked to be maybe three hundred years old, two hundred
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and fifty years old. They were massive trunks. Well, Doug
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: made the comment that it reminded him of that at
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: one point the inside would have been clear, probably as
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: early as fifty or sixty years ago, and it reminded
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: him of some kind of cemetery. Well, that jogged my
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: memory because when I'm researching the Break Family stuff, there
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: used to be a Break Family cemetery that I had
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: come across. That's that berm structure we were sitting in
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: was at one point a Break Family cemetery.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: So and like, like talking with Brent, I've kind of
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: come to know that when the white pioneers came here,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: one thing that we did is we just buried right
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: on top of where the Native Americans buried. So if
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that was the Break Family cemetery, they probably chose that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: location because it was prime burials for Native Americans. Probably
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: not even knowing that, but they just started to bury.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: They saw this burn thing. I was like, Hey, that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: might be a good family plot right there. Well, it's
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: no longer active and I almost feel like the discovery
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: of what Newbury break and start and found with the
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: seven foot skeleton points to the reason why it is
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: no longer actively used and it's now been overgrown. So
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: there is actually another cemetery about three miles east of
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: where the Break Family cemetery used to be at, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: it's called Shiloh Baptist Cemetery. Shiloh Baptist was one was
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: a church that at one point Sterling Newbury used to
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: be Baptist pastor at the Break Family also went there. Well,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: now at the Break Now at the Shiloh Baptist Cemetery,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: all of the Break Family that used to be buried
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: in the Break Family Cemetery, their headstones had been removed
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and were moved to the Shiloh Baptist Cemetery. Okay, And
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: there's a plaque there that says three miles due east
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: from here lives where the old Break Family cemetery used
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: to be. Well, if you follow it on a map,
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: three miles west would be right on top of that
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: bluff where that burm structure was at. So really, what
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: I believe happened is the Break family went to Shiloh Baptists.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Their pastor was Sterling Newbery. Maybe someone had passed away
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: in their family and they were starting to escavate to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: bury their loved one in this family cemetery, and maybe
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: they unearthed part of a skeleton that they knew wasn't
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: one of their loved ones. So they stopped digging, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: they decided to ask their pastor, who they knew had
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: a nag or an act for amateur archaeology, to come
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: and excavate. This would look like a little burial mound,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: maybe inside or near this burm structure, So he got
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: his team together. Denver Break joined the team. He got
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: certain who was the miner. They excavated, and that's where
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: they found the seven foot skeleton along with the eight
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: of seven other skeletons that were aligned like the cross
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: on a that were lying like a cross. And that
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: would also explain why maybe that cemetery was no longer
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: used because when they unearthed that, the family stopped burying there.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Do you have any connection between Obviously you mentioned the
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: article coming out and you know nineteen thirty four or
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: roughly there as it relates to some of the headstones
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: that were either at the church or do you have
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: any going along with this this idea, do you have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: any of them dying in that year and therefore would
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: have precipitated a potential excavation, And then of course the
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: report in the paper, so that I.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Have tried to look for deaths of the family around
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: that time, but that I hadn't been able to find
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: no dates.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: On the on the on the Baptist church headstones.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I really haven't looked too close at when
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: some of those died.
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: That would be interesting, That would be interesting for sure.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: And the other thing is is not all of the
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Breaks breaks a big family around here now, So there
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: are other cemeteries locally that I've gone and checked out,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: and there's Breaks buried in those two. So it'd be
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: a lot of researching of where several breaks are at
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and seeing when each individual one one died. So yeah,
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: that's actually something I ha.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: But that would give that could potentially give even more.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, that credibility is what it is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Facts are facts, but more of the of the motive
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: of the reason behind, like, oh, they.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: Died here and they went over there and then look
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: at this, Now there's an article. What what have you?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: I mean? This is this is is pretty fascinating.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: So you know here you have you have a lot
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: of different connections here locally in the sense of you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: have you know, a pastor of a church, you have locations.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Obviously you've done the research and found the places. You know,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: in the sense of all this stuff that you've looked at,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: what are maybe maybe what is one of your maybe
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: most favorite discoveries and.
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: All of it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: So one of my most favorite discoveries is and honestly,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: this one, this one wasn't even part of it is
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: part of what I found a newspaper article, but the
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: details I didn't obtain from the newspaper article. But two
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: years prior to Sterling Newberry finding this scheve seven foot skeleton,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: there was another location where he found the cave northwest
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: of Springfield. And in this cave he found this stone
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: idol bear and it was real, it was very very
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: I think it was probably one of his most prized
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: possessions because when you read about the article and how
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it's described, you definitely can get the sense that Newberry
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: favored this stone idol. But it was a stone idol.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: It was a bear. It was only like two feet tall.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: But on the bear they had on the side etched
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: out a crescent moon and a star. No, I'm sorry,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: a crescent moon and a cross. So I wonder if
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: this may also makes me wonder if there's a tie
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: between the cross that was on that bear and the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: cross pattern to where these the seven foot giant and
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: these seven others were buried. But anyway, so he found
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: this bear, it made papers and it went regionally. So
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: I found another article from the a year later where
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: there was an altercation between a guy named Harry Starlight
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: and Sterling Newberry, and it's said that they were in
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: what was supposedly a Native American burial site near Fairgrove, Missouri,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: which I live in Fairgrove. So I've honestly, I've wanted
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: to try and find this where this Native American burial
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: site was at, and I've had no luck. I've reached
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: out to the local historical society. I mean, they don't
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: really know anything prehistory. It's all from pioneer settler days
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: to now that they really have the most knowledge of.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: So Anyway, going back, it's said that Newberry went out
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: to this site with three other gentlemen to meet the Starlight.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: An altercation broke out. Harry Starlight attacked Sterling Newberry. Police
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: arrested Starlight, and they ended up releasing Starlight, and that's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: all the article says. Well, there's really no detail in
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: this process of researching Startling Newberry. I've actually become acquaintances
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: with his living grandson and we've been in contact. I've
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: never met him yet. He lives on the East Coast,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: but we've talked via Facebook Messenger, and I've been able to,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: like I've sent him a copy of the book, and
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: I've sent him a lot of the articles that he
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: didn't even know about. So it's been kind of a
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: cool experience being able to give him a knowledge of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: his grandfather who he never even got to meet because
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: his grandfather passed away when he was just born. So
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: that's been a pretty cool experience. But I sent him
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: this article about this altercation. I was like, do you
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: know anything about this? This was one story that his grandson,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Joe knew something about. And Joe sent me an audio
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: message explaining the whole thing and Honestly, I think this
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is my favorite story because pretty much what Joe said
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: is this, this is a This story has been spread
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: down through the whole, like every Newberry has heard the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: story of Starlight and Newberry and the altercation. So what
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: had happened was Newberry found this bear idol Broom that
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: he called Bruin the bear, and it went regionally. Starlight
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: was some kind of O sage and I think he
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: was he The article even claims that he was an
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: O Sage chief, but he lived in Oklahoma and some
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: kind of boarding house or something like that. That newspaper
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: article even went out to Oklahoma. Well, he read that
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: and he knew the significance of that bear. I guess
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: just through legend or through word of mouth or something.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: He knew that that bear that Newberry found was of
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: importance and he didn't believe that Newberry deserved to have it.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: So what happened is he got on a bus, came
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: here to Springfield. And I think he lived in Tulsa,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: so it's a three hour drive. Came I'm here to Springfield,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: found out where Newberry lives, go to Newberry's front door,
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: knocks on the door and befriends him, introduces himself, didn't
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: really tell him the intention of why he was there.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: He just said that he saw some of his fines
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: in the newspaper. So he had mentioned to Newberry, He's like,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you know, I can get you in touch with the
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: little people. So whenever he was telling me the story
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: and he mentioned the little people, I know, like, as
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: I've researched some about giants, a lot of times, this
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: idea the little people come up two in Native American lore.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm still kind of learning about what the whole
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: little people are, but I know that there is a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: connection between paranormal, supernatural and giants with little people especially,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I know with the Cherokee a lot. There's a lot
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: about little people mingling with Cherokee and having interactions in Appalaysia,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: I believe. But anyway, he said, I can introduce you
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: to the little people. Newberry's I think was like part
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Delaware Indian, like he had it in his lineage. So
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: he had always heard stories from his grandfather and from
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: his father about the little people. So he's like, all right, yeah,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I want to meet I want to meet these things.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: It piqued his interests, so they meet out at fair
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Grove and Harry Starlight says he was going to do
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: a ritual to bring about the little people. So he's
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: building a fire, and he also told Newberry to bring
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: this bear idol because it was of high importance for
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: this ritual as well.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Interesting little switch, yep, yep.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So Newberry brings it. But Newberry still doesn't quite
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: trust Starlight, so he actually hid he brought the bear,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: but he hid the bear in the wheel well of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: his car. So they go out to this They go
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: out to the fair fit this fair grove in the
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: imburial site. Starlight is throwing a substance on the fire,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the fire starting to dance and turn blue. I know, Brent,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: when I've told Brent this story, Brent made the comment
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: that this substance was most likely copper because it causes
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: fire to make that green bluish color and almost make
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: it like dance. So he's doing this chant, and I
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: think it was at this point when Newberry realized what
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: was happening before his eyes that he's like, you know,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: him being a man of faith, he was like, you
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: know this, I probably shouldn't have delve into this, or
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I probably shouldn't have invited this because after he's seen
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: this display and he saw him dancing doing this chant
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: probably even chanting some kind of spell or chant that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: he had no idea what this guy was saying. He's
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like this, we need to stop this. So Starlight had said, Newberry,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I need you to jump over the fire for these
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: little people to come. And Newberry's yeah. Newberry's like, you know, no,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: we're done here. Like something just didn't settle well on
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: his stomach, and I think you and I would say
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that was conviction of the Holy Spirit. Something didn't settle
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: feel right. So he's like, no, we're we're not getting
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: into this anymore. This is done with. Thanks for your time,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: but we've got to call it quits. Well, Starlight didn't
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: like that idea, didn't like that at all. Well, Newberry
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: had also brought along his son, his oldest son, Sterling
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Newberry Junior, and like I said, two or three other gentlemen.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: So then Starlight said, Newberry Junior, you jumped through the
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: fire then, But Starlight, being the spiritual father and being
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the spiritual leader of his family, said no, I've done
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: told you we're done with this. I'm not jumping through
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the fire. None of us are jumping through the fire.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: We're done. Well, Starlight got really mad, and actually the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: newspaper article mentioned that he was most likely drunk. He
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: seemed drunk because he literally goes from zero to one
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: hundred and just and he's rage that Newberry is not participating.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: He says, well, I'll jump through the fire. So he
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: jumped over the fire and he started attacking Newberry. Luckily
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: they had these two or three other people with them.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: They pulled Starlight off. Cops were called out. They arrested Starlight,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: but Joe was telling me that his grandfather really was
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: a gentleman who tried to live out the word the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: way God calls us to. And he decided not to
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: press charges against Starlight. He just wanted Starlight out of
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: his life, away from his family. He didn't want to
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: press charges. He wanted him to just go back to Oklahoma.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: So that's why Starlight was released, because he didn't press
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: charges as long as he left him left the family alone. Well, anyway,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: after cops came, they arrested Starlight, Newberry, and Newberry Junior
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: heading back to the vehicle, and at some point in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: the night, it looked like someone went rummaging through their
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: car because the door was I don't know, the door
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was slightly open or something was just out of place.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: What had happened for the grandson is they believe that
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: before this ritual what was starting, maybe there was a
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: time where Newberry was talking to some of the other gentlemen,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Starlight made his way over to the vehicle, tried to
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: look for this bear idol and couldn't find it. Newberry
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: hid it in the wheel well and he didn't know
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: to look there. So that might have between him possibly
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: being on some kind of substance to maybe get him
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: spiritually ready to invite these little people, him not finding
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: this bear idol that really it was a whole con
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: set up so he could steal that bear idol and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: then also Newberry no longer participating. I think that's really
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: what set Starlight off to wanting to attack Newberry. But
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: so this was just really cool because I had just
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: found this article about an altercation, and this was another
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: account where I got a story of new Bear, but
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: it was through another source, and it was actually a
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: living grandson that I got part of my research from,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: and not just strictly from newspaper archives.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: So that's that's pretty amazing when you can see and
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: again talk to somebody, and and the and the puzzle
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: pieces that are that can seemingly be distanced start connecting,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of as a final thought, here, what's
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: your You know, obviously you're a believer.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: You're writing this.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: You love science, you love investigation, archaeology for sure.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: You know what what why write the book? What do
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: you what do you look at?
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: What are you looking to have the reader walk away
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: with in something like this?
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: The reason why I wrote it the story is one
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: of my first motivations is Newberry at one point would
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: have been like there was so many articles about him
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: and he even not only was he a pastor, but
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he used to work at a furniture store and the
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: furniture store was owned by his sister. Well this I
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: found articles for god Frees furniture store that said, like,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, come by a couch and see all of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: the amazing sterling Newberry's fines on display. Like he would
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: have been really prestigious at one point because of all
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the stuff he found, to the point to where the
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: local school system was having him go and talk to
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: teachers and having him bring teachers out to these locations
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: and show them. So he would have been very prestigious.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But now if you ask anybody in the Springfield area,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: no one knows anything about Sterling Newberry. But eighty years ago,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: ninety years ago, he he was very much a huge
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: part of this community. Like why has that just disappeared?
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: So part of it is to bring a realization of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: what Sterling Newberry did and some of his legacy, because
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like it is worth noting. But then also
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: for me, it's I mean, it's may be a cheesy reason,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: but I feel like it just this just further backs
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: up the Bible for me. And you know, so it's
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: just very funny because I wrote this book and there's
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: a gentleman that I've recently come in contact with who
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: lives north of Springfield. He randomly, and I call it
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: God's sovereignty, but he randomly came across my book on Amazon,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: bought it, read it, and he was able, through researching
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: me online, get in touch with me and invited me
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: out to his property. Go check out his property, because
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: he has a pretty interesting property. So a mutual friend
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: can't And I went out and checked it out. But
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: even this guy Brian was telling me that since he
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: read my book. I mean he's a Christian, but he's like,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you know it kind of it's spurred on a desire
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: in me to want to get more into my word
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: or get more into God's word. And I think ultimately
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: that's to spur people on to realize that there is
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the Word of God is true, it is infallible, and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: it is something we can hang our hat on, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that if you really look at it. I really believe
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: science backs up the Bible. You know, history backs up
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: the Bible. So that's that, honestly is my motivation.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: And so tell everybody you know again the title of
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  Speaker 2: the book and where.
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  Speaker 4: They can get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's Genesis six and the Ozarks, and you
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  Speaker 1: can go to it's exclusively on Amazon. You just go
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  Speaker 1: to Amazon and the search bar type in Genesis six
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  Speaker 1: and the Ozarks. Interesting thing is Mondo wrote the forward
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  Speaker 1: for it. So when you pull it up, some reason
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  Speaker 1: they put you as one of the primary Arthurs, even
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: though it says that you wrote the forward. But like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: when it goes down to the Arthur section, it's a
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  Speaker 1: picture of you. But I thought that could that could
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  Speaker 1: be a benefit for me because more people know you
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  Speaker 1: than me.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe that's self a. I did notice that too.
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  Speaker 2: Oftentimes I've done a few forwards and it puts me
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  Speaker 2: as an author on there, which I had.
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  Speaker 4: I had a a.
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  Speaker 3: Guy, Daniel Wright, who who for my read Heifer book.
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  Speaker 2: He had done the map and they put him as
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  Speaker 2: an author too, So it's good.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the more names the better. Why not. But yes,
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  Speaker 4: I did the forward and you did all the hard work.
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  Speaker 4: I did the easy, easy part.
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  Speaker 1: So but I think it's a good benefit that it
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  Speaker 1: says that it has you. So someone types it. I
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: think you can even type in Mondo Gonzalez and my
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: book comes up under your laundry list of books. So
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, well, there's another avenue to get to it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, that's good. You know again it.
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  Speaker 2: We've done a lot of work within the Palo Research
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  Speaker 2: Group and and it's been it's exciting to see again
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  Speaker 2: a lot of what these the archives and the old newspapers,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there's Today there's a dismissal of this idea.
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  Speaker 2: In modern archaeology, especially American archaeology, the idea of there
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  Speaker 2: being giants or seven footers is completely dismissed. And yet
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  Speaker 2: we know that's not the case. There's thousands of articles,
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  Speaker 2: newspaper articles, and you know, I mean, I'm working on
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  Speaker 2: a book myself as relates to the Smithsonian getting the
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  Speaker 2: research there, because in their own writings they have seven
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  Speaker 2: footers eight footers documenting that all through the Midwest east
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  Speaker 2: of the Mississippi, including again including the Ozarks.
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  Speaker 3: So this is a great this is a great dovetail.
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  Speaker 2: I think some of the work that you've done, Nicholas,
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  Speaker 2: and then some of the works that we're doing after
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  Speaker 2: the Pale Research group. Again we're excited to get out
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  Speaker 2: there and to research, and again it all comes back
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  Speaker 2: Genesis six.
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  Speaker 4: In those days and afterwards, there were giants. So that's
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  Speaker 4: the end. That's the story. So I just want to
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  Speaker 4: encourage everybody.
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  Speaker 3: To go get Nicholas's book again at Amazon dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Check it out. You'll be blessed. Great story there, great research.
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  Speaker 2: It's a good time. And Nicholas, thanks for being with
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  Speaker 2: me today.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate the opportunity, and everybody be on the lookout
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: because I think our team is doing some good work.
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  Speaker 2: And then Nicholas has another book in the works which
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  Speaker 2: is coming and so we will certainly share that with
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: everybody when it happens.
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  Speaker 3: So thanks for watching today and we will catch you
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  Speaker 3: all next time.