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Episode #142: Breaking News: Censored AGAIN & New Study Shows Dramatic Increase in Soil and Forage Health with Grazing & Personalized Mineralization · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_01: What the cow eats today comes out in the milk tomorrow.
0:03
SPEAKER_01: So you have to be very diligent in what you're feeding the cow.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I was researching different mineral programs that I could get that I felt like were safe for the cows.
0:13
SPEAKER_01: And I just had this idea on top of Anna's idea of how can we regenerate the soil.
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SPEAKER_01: I also wondered using a mineral program, can we add trace minerals back into the soil?
0:28
SPEAKER_01: So imagine a cow is eating uh forages and that those forages are low in magnesium, for example.
0:36
SPEAKER_01: And so now the cow needs magnesium because they're not getting it in their forage.
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SPEAKER_01: So the cow goes over to the mineral program where we have all of the minerals that are laid out separately, like a salad bar.
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SPEAKER_01: We uh the cow consumes the magnesium because they're not getting the magnesium in the grass.
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SPEAKER_01: Now that it digests the magnesium, the magnesium comes out in the urine and uh goes back into the soil.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: We rest the soil for 30 days, and now do we have?
1:04
SPEAKER_01: This is my question, do we have uh forages that are coming up that are more dense in magnesium because of that process?
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SPEAKER_00: Hi, everybody.
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SPEAKER_00: Farmer Joel Salatin here with my favorite research sidekick, Dr.
1:21
SPEAKER_00: Cena McCullough.
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SPEAKER_00: Before we start into our podcast today, welcome by the way.
1:26
SPEAKER_00: Before we start into it, though, we have a special announcement, and Cena's got the details.
1:31
SPEAKER_00: Cena?
1:32
SPEAKER_02: Thanks, Joel.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: Okay, today I woke up and received an email from MailChimp and saying that our account has been disabled.
1:44
SPEAKER_02: So no warning, no specific reason why, but MailChimp has basically censored us.
1:52
SPEAKER_02: And for those who don't know, MailChimp is one of the world's most widely used email marketing services.
1:57
SPEAKER_02: We use it to email all of you with our content.
2:01
SPEAKER_02: And as of this morning, it's May 16th.
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SPEAKER_02: Um we no longer have access to MailChimp.
2:07
SPEAKER_02: Um they have censored us that they said we were in violation of section 18, and Joel and I were just looking through it.
2:14
SPEAKER_02: And section 18 of their terms is either you have hateful content um or you're inciting violence, which that's not us.
2:24
SPEAKER_02: So then it's the third option, which I'm gonna read to you now.
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SPEAKER_02: It says MailChip does not allow the distribution of content that is in our sole discretion, materially false, inaccurate, or misleading in any way that could deceive or confuse others about important events, topics, or circumstances.
2:46
SPEAKER_02: So again, we're being censored for what they're saying is misinformation.
2:50
SPEAKER_02: So of course I looked into this a little bit more this morning because Sayer, guess which one of our friends was also censored by MailChip?
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unknown: Mail.
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SPEAKER_00: Sayer G.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you remember?
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: Sayer G was also censored by MailChip.
3:04
SPEAKER_02: So I already knew about this.
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SPEAKER_02: That's why I didn't want to use MailChimp.
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SPEAKER_02: So um I'll post a link to some articles that Sayer was able to dig up about, of all things, MailChimp's connection to the CDC.
3:19
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so just in brief, uh MailChimp is actually a CDC Foundation partner.
3:25
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so what is a CDC Foundation?
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SPEAKER_02: It says it's a nonprofit organization that cultivates public public public-private partnerships.
3:36
SPEAKER_02: Okay, public-private partnerships to advance public health.
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SPEAKER_02: In essence, the pharmaceutical industry and other for-profit private companies can fund the CDC projects through funding contributions to the CDC Foundation.
3:53
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so this has brought up um conflicts of interest.
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SPEAKER_02: Um they talk about how um they know they've done the paper trail that the CDC is accepting fundings from pharmaceutical industry.
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SPEAKER_02: And again, MailChimp is a CDC Foundation partner.
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SPEAKER_02: So if you look into it, who are other partners of the CDC Foundation?
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SPEAKER_02: Pfizer, Merck, Glasgow Smith, Klein, right, Novartis.
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SPEAKER_02: And in order to be one of their um partners, it says that there's expectations listed.
4:26
SPEAKER_02: You have to demonstrate opportunities for return on investment for public health, CDC, the CDC Foundation, and its partners, right?
4:35
SPEAKER_02: So you have to get have a return on investment.
4:37
SPEAKER_02: And so as Sayer wrote in his article, this is the question he posed.
4:42
SPEAKER_02: Would directing the editorial decisions of public companies to omit the bad press, comments, evidence of public harm and scientific studies of corporate products containing a good return on investment for its corporate partners.
4:54
SPEAKER_02: So basically, why would they let us speak?
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SPEAKER_02: Right?
4:57
SPEAKER_02: It's not going to give them a return on their investment if they actually let us speak the truth.
5:02
SPEAKER_02: He also was able to uncover that these um partners for the C of the CDC Foundation are asked for, quote, deference to CDC's final judgment on all matters of scientific findings, facts, or recommendations, and as also a characteristic of collaboration.
5:22
SPEAKER_02: So, Sayer, and I want to conclude with this, Sayer summed this up very nicely.
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SPEAKER_02: He said, So, what this means is the CDC Foundation partners must show obedience not to American ideals, free speech, open debate, fearless journalism, democracy, the people's right to get involved in legislation, but rather to a captured agency's over-simplistic, safe and effective talking points.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: And I would add their intentional misleading of the public away from the truth and toward the corrupt agenda.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: So there you have it.
5:59
SPEAKER_02: There's the tie.
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SPEAKER_02: There's why we're getting censored by MailChimp, because apparently, when you tell the truth, that's misinformation.
6:06
SPEAKER_02: And we pay them, right?
6:08
SPEAKER_02: This is not a free service.
6:10
SPEAKER_00: We paid MailChimp to Yeah, we're we're a customer.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: We're a customer.
6:16
SPEAKER_00: Can you imagine uh Coca-Cola saying, no, you can't buy Coke because you voted the wrong way?
6:22
SPEAKER_00: I mean, that that's what that's what this is.
6:24
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I don't ask, I don't ask any of my customers how they voted, what they think.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: They can believe what they want, they can have a religion they want, uh, they can even uh okay, I mean, the whatever uh thought that they can have.
6:38
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they can believe anything.
6:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, they're a customer.
6:41
SPEAKER_00: If they you know want to buy a chicken, I'm gonna sell them a chicken.
6:44
SPEAKER_00: And so this is this is just so far beyond the normal, you know, uh uh whatever, business relationship that we've ever seen in the past, uh, that it's it's quite it's quite profound.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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SPEAKER_02: So I want to assure our all of our listeners, though, um and our viewers, which is why we brought it up now as breaking news, that it this does not disrupt access to the podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: You can still access the podcast through our Beyond Labels podcast site and all the other platforms that you know currently air our podcast, um, including it's still on YouTube and Rumble.
7:20
SPEAKER_02: Um, but we do not have the ability in this moment to email you.
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SPEAKER_02: We are working diligently to correct this.
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SPEAKER_02: We're finding another provider.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I've I've connecting with Sayer to find out who he uses and if he's happy with that provider.
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SPEAKER_02: Um so with so that this interruption in our service and our connection with our tribe does not occur again.
7:42
SPEAKER_02: So we are working to correct that.
7:44
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
7:45
SPEAKER_02: So that's happy, that's the happy result of this.
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SPEAKER_02: We still have somewhat of a free market where we can still move to another platform and they're not gonna bring us down, and they're not gonna, you know, stop our mission of connecting with our tribe, bringing people together under the the pursuit of truth and liberty and freedom.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: Right, Joel?
8:04
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
8:05
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
8:06
SPEAKER_02: So on to our happy note.
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SPEAKER_02: This is a positive episode today.
8:11
SPEAKER_02: We have a very good friend of mine, Courtney White, who is joining us.
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SPEAKER_02: Courtney actually owns the Trusty Plough Farm.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a farmstead on a 100-year-old family farm in Delonega, Georgia.
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SPEAKER_02: She has teamed up with a recent biology graduate from the University of North Georgia.
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SPEAKER_02: Her name is Anna Cronin.
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SPEAKER_02: And what they did was they studied if the soil and forages could be regenerated using an individual mineral program, livestock, and rotational grazing.
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SPEAKER_02: And they now have the study results.
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SPEAKER_02: And Courtney is here to share all this wonderful news with us.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to the show, Courtney.
8:50
SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so honored to be here with y'all.
8:53
SPEAKER_02: So let's start out with tell us a little bit about your farm.
8:56
SPEAKER_02: We know it's a hundred-year-old farm.
8:58
SPEAKER_02: How did you get this farm in the first place?
9:02
SPEAKER_01: So, my great-grandmother Harriet, she purchased this farm with her husband in the 1930s.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, shortly after they purchased, it was a 100-acre farm.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, he died, leaving her with their three children to pay for the 100 acres.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: They grew cotton here and picked it and sold it to pay for the land.
9:26
SPEAKER_01: And she was, uh, it's a it's a story in my family that she would always sweep the floor of her house, of her farmhouse, and say, the Lord will provide.
9:37
SPEAKER_01: And he did.
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SPEAKER_01: Every year they were able to make the payment selling the cotton.
9:41
SPEAKER_01: And the land's just been passed down from her to my grandmother, and um, and from my grandmother to my mother, and from my mother to me.
9:53
SPEAKER_02: That's so beautiful.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: Like, so it's passed down through the the female lineage.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: It is.
9:58
SPEAKER_01: And you know, my grandmother Jodie, she had four girls.
10:02
SPEAKER_01: So it was it, there is a heavy female influence in our family.
10:07
SPEAKER_01: She was definitely uh Jodie was the matriarch.
10:10
SPEAKER_01: She taught us all how to work.
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SPEAKER_01: Her famous uh saying is if you ain't working, you're sinning.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: So we uh we're we're a long uh longstanding uh hardworking family.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: We if one thing we know how to do is work.
10:26
SPEAKER_00: Well, that's good.
10:27
SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
10:29
SPEAKER_00: That's the volume thing.
10:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh Courtney, you you got this farm, it had grown cotton.
10:35
SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming when you when it finally came under your management um from your story, that this maybe the soil and the vegetation were not in the best of condition.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: That's exactly right.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of um, I guess they hilled up to grow the cotton.
10:53
SPEAKER_01: And so there was a lot of um hills, very um, very difficult terrain.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: And uh the land had also laid fallow for several years before I actually got here and um had some brief stents as a hayfield.
11:07
SPEAKER_01: So there was a lot going on.
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SPEAKER_00: So has it um when when did you actually take I should say what take control?
11:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I've been here for eight years.
11:21
SPEAKER_00: Eight years, okay.
11:23
SPEAKER_00: Eight years.
11:24
SPEAKER_00: And what was your so you know, I I work with people all the time that want to start farming.
11:30
SPEAKER_00: So you get onto this kind of desolate, uh uh um you know, kind of left leftover situation.
11:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh what goes through your mind in the very, you know, in the very beginning?
11:43
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you have this wonderful legacy, okay?
11:45
SPEAKER_00: So you don't want to be the one to lose it.
11:47
SPEAKER_00: I totally get that.
11:49
SPEAKER_00: Uh and so so what's going through your mind uh of of both, you know, both ecological and economic rehab?
11:57
SPEAKER_01: My husband and I, we both are hippies, you know, where we've always been uh the kind of hippies that are involved in the environment, not the kind of hippies that don't pay taxes.
12:08
SPEAKER_01: We we're very interested in no till, no spray, you know, all the organic regenerative farming.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: And when I first got here, there weren't a lot of people in this area that were doing that or that I knew at the time.
12:22
SPEAKER_01: Now I've made a lot of good friends in the area that are doing it.
12:26
SPEAKER_01: But at the time it was very conventional farmers, and that most of the advice that I got was from conventional farmers about how to take control and do things.
12:35
SPEAKER_01: And I'm really thankful for that because I didn't really have anybody to look up to that that was doing regenerative farming.
12:43
SPEAKER_01: I was willing to take any advice I could get.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: And uh through extreme trial and error, we learned how to care for the land and really take it step by step.
12:56
SPEAKER_01: And we made a lot of mistakes and we we did a lot of things that that I wish that we hadn't have done.
13:02
SPEAKER_01: But that's just part of it.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's really it's the only way you can really truly learn.
13:08
SPEAKER_00: That's for sure.
13:09
SPEAKER_00: So, all right, so we we won't we won't delve into all the mistakes.
13:12
SPEAKER_00: That in itself would make a very interesting uh program.
13:16
SPEAKER_00: All of us farmers, you know, we have this legacy of mistakes.
13:20
SPEAKER_00: We I I get that, but it's something it um so that that brings us to the topic of today, which is this uh this research study that you've just completed and partnered with.
13:32
SPEAKER_00: And um, so tell us a little bit about that.
13:36
SPEAKER_01: So I was actually I actually graduated from the University of North Georgia back in the day, and I was glad to be back here in Delonega, where I had gone to college, and there were some um biology professors that were looking for uh properties where they could study various things in the community.
13:54
SPEAKER_01: And the uh University of North Georgia does a really good job of bringing the community into their research and the things that they're doing.
14:02
SPEAKER_01: And I had partnered with them previously on a study about groundhogs.
14:07
SPEAKER_01: And I have an inordinate amount of groundhogs on my property, and uh through that uh research with those biology professors, I met Anna.
14:19
SPEAKER_01: And Anna is was a student, and she grew graduating with a biology degree, very, very, very, very talented.
14:26
SPEAKER_01: And she was interested in doing a research project here.
14:28
SPEAKER_01: So I was able to pitch her some ideas, and boy, did I have some ideas.
14:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh, so you pitched it.
14:36
SPEAKER_02: I thought I thought the university came up with it, but you actually came up with it yourself.
14:41
SPEAKER_01: They were looking for the university, it was looking for, and Anna specifically, she's very interested in soil health.
14:47
SPEAKER_01: That's what she hopes to do after she's graduated and gone on for her internship.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: She's interested in um regenerative farming from a soil perspective.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: So this was an easy leap because I was also interested in you know, um improving the soil content here at the farm.
15:07
SPEAKER_01: At the same time, I was looking into what type of mineral programs.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: I had recently switched from beef cow to all dairy cow.
15:17
SPEAKER_01: And um, as y'all know, when you're consuming raw milk, what the cow eats today comes out in the milk tomorrow.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: So you have to be very diligent in what you're feeding the cow.
15:29
SPEAKER_01: And so I was I was researching different mineral programs that I could get that I felt like were safe for the cows.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: And uh I just had this idea on top of Anna's idea of how can we regenerate the soil.
15:43
SPEAKER_01: I also wondered using a mineral program, can we add trace minerals back into the soil?
15:50
SPEAKER_01: So imagine a cow is eating uh forages and that those forages are low in magnesium, for example.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: And so now the cow needs magnesium because they're not getting it in their forage.
16:03
SPEAKER_01: So the cow goes over to the mineral program where we have all of the minerals that are laid out separately, like a salad bar.
16:10
SPEAKER_01: We uh the cow consumes the magnesium because they're not getting the magnesium in the grass.
16:15
SPEAKER_01: Now that it digests the magnesium, the magnesium comes out in the urine and uh goes back into the soil.
16:22
SPEAKER_01: We rest the soil for 30 days, and now do we have?
16:26
SPEAKER_01: This is my question, do we have uh forages that are coming up that are more dense in magnesium because of that process?
16:37
SPEAKER_02: Wow.
16:38
SPEAKER_02: And so that was the idea that you you pitched that, added that onto her idea.
16:42
SPEAKER_02: And that's the idea that moved forward into this research study.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
16:47
SPEAKER_02: Well, that's amazing.
16:48
SPEAKER_02: Now, how long was this study?
16:49
SPEAKER_02: So, like tell us tell us the protocol.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
16:53
SPEAKER_01: It was a year-long study.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: We started in March of 2023.
16:56
SPEAKER_01: Um, and it it the this study for two people who really, you know, we were brand new into learning how to do this.
17:06
SPEAKER_01: Um, we consumed a lot of you know books and um literature.
17:11
SPEAKER_01: We talked to a lot of different people that were doing things like this to try to get an idea of where to start.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: But everyone's property and program and cows, it's also different.
17:21
SPEAKER_01: It's very nuanced.
17:23
SPEAKER_01: You have to figure out what works for you.
17:26
SPEAKER_01: And so we we started back in March of 2023 doing our soil testing and our forage testing.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: And I wouldn't say that we got all of the testing um done that that would really show, and I said it was important for me to statistically show that we didn't have everything that we needed to say that this was um scientifically sound, but that we did the best that we could, and we did get a lot of positive results as a result of it.
17:58
SPEAKER_00: So uh, so Courtney, you uh you've converted from beef to dairy.
18:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm assuming that's the picture of the farm there behind you.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: It is.
18:08
SPEAKER_01: It's it's just interesting.
18:10
SPEAKER_00: And the green, the green, the green is you, the green is you, and the brown is the neighbors.
18:16
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
18:17
SPEAKER_01: You can see our our property is long and narrow.
18:20
SPEAKER_01: So you can see down here below is uh my neighbor, and then up here in the corner is the neighbor on the on the other side, and they have dark, crunchy grass, and we have lush green grass.
18:34
SPEAKER_00: So are all uh as have all these changes occurred in just the one year, or have you been you've been there eight years?
18:41
SPEAKER_00: Okay, I get it.
18:42
SPEAKER_00: You've made some mistakes, but I'll bet you you've made some really positive things in those eight years as well.
18:48
SPEAKER_00: So so this this whole this research project was not a starting from zero and go, it was uh uh it was the next, whatever, the you know, the next layer or the next thread on what had been a a gradually improving trajectory uh over the eight years.
19:11
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, your control.
19:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean, the the picture there, just so our viewers can appreciate this, the picture that's behind Courtney is one of the most common uh illustrations of good grazing management.
19:29
SPEAKER_00: And and um it it's thank you for the picture.
19:34
SPEAKER_00: It's it's dramatic, it's great.
19:36
SPEAKER_00: But you can you can um uh whatever Google satellite many farms that are doing really good forage management with you know by moving their cows all the time, controlled grazing, and and you you can see these this same contrast on on many farms.
19:56
SPEAKER_00: Um, and the fact, Courtney, that you're you're in this tribe, you know, I'm I'm I'm embracing you here through the through the computer.
20:04
SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, this is this is it it's wonderful to um you know to to see to see the dramatic you know results of other people.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: So when did you shift from beef to dairy?
20:16
SPEAKER_00: How many cows are you milking?
20:18
SPEAKER_00: And you said raw milk.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: Are you selling raw milk in Georgia?
20:22
SPEAKER_01: We are.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: We have an agricultural pet food license in Georgia.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: We do sell raw milk here.
20:28
SPEAKER_01: When we first moved here um eight years ago, we started out with uh just a few Angus cows and one and one uh Jersey cow that I named Harriet after my great-grandmother that owned the property.
20:43
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Um, we went hard in beef cow for a while, and I had already, to your point, separated the land into large paddocks, probably three acres each, and then we had a pond on there.
20:57
SPEAKER_01: And we were, we were, I'm gonna use the word grazing, but really just moving the the beef cows as the seasons change into a new area.
21:07
SPEAKER_01: That in and of itself helped.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Plus, we weren't spraying uh grazon or any of the other um herbicides on the pasture anymore that had been previously sprayed here.
21:18
SPEAKER_01: So that was a that was a first step in the right direction.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: About four years ago, we sold all of our beef cows and went straight into um dairy cows.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: Over the course of this research project, we had um at times seven Jersey cows.
21:36
SPEAKER_01: Now we have five Jersey cows.
21:39
SPEAKER_01: The whole year, one of the most challenging things of the project was the whole year we were milking.
21:45
SPEAKER_01: So, in not only do you have to have lanes back to water and to shade, but you also have to have lanes back to the barn because at various times we were milking cows twice a day.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: We were milking two cows, three cows, four cows.
22:00
SPEAKER_01: Right now I'm only milking two cows once a day, but over the course of that year, there were there were a lot of variables that we had to take into account as we were doing this.
22:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, and you milk them by hand, right?
22:14
SPEAKER_01: I was milking by hand up until about two months ago.
22:17
SPEAKER_01: Uh I was when you milk two cows twice a day by hand, and you can tend to rethink your entire life.
22:25
SPEAKER_01: The the fortitude, the fortitude it took to to do that twice a day every day.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Uh and my arms started to look like Popeye.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I uh uh Courtney, I I'm I'm not sure I want to shake your hand.
22:39
SPEAKER_00: Um I've been there and done that.
22:43
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, it does, it does make a it does make a handshake, that's for sure.
22:47
SPEAKER_02: Well, and actually on a side note, Courtney, you used to be, right, a professional athlete.
22:53
SPEAKER_01: I did I played I played women's football.
22:56
SPEAKER_02: Isn't that cool, Joe?
22:57
SPEAKER_00: Joel, she was a professional football player.
23:01
SPEAKER_00: That is.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: That is boy.
23:03
SPEAKER_00: With those with those Popeye arms, now you could probably pass that football about twice as well.
23:08
SPEAKER_00: I know.
23:09
SPEAKER_01: I wish I wish I had known about the benefit of raw milk when I was an athlete.
23:13
SPEAKER_01: Uh back then I was still popping the egg yolks out of my eggs and eating the egg whites only.
23:18
SPEAKER_00: Oh the shame.
23:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so how how many acres is the farm?
23:26
SPEAKER_01: We're grazing eight acres.
23:29
SPEAKER_01: And like I said um earlier, during the course of the project, we had uh at times seven and at times five, and now we and now we have five.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: So is so is the picture on the wall behind you, is that all eight acres?
23:44
SPEAKER_00: It is.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: Is that that the whole thing?
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
23:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is the whole thing.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: This is almost um this is almost a homestead, homestead scale operation.
23:55
SPEAKER_01: It is.
23:56
SPEAKER_00: And with the okay, so so let's let's drill into the so so you you're making a lot of progress, you're moving animals, um, and and at a point in time you you took soil and forage samples and established benchmarks.
24:12
SPEAKER_00: Here's where we are.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: Let's see what happens in one year.
24:16
SPEAKER_00: Did did you make any changes on that day?
24:19
SPEAKER_00: Was that when you started the the cafeterial mineral mineral program?
24:23
SPEAKER_00: It was.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: It was.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: We did we did two things on the first day.
24:27
SPEAKER_01: The first thing that we did, still learning, um, still still learning what we were planning to do as far as rotational grazing, we bought some uh polywire and we just split the cow pasture directly in half.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: That was the very first thing that we did.
24:44
SPEAKER_01: Just doing that alone and nothing else produced results.
24:50
SPEAKER_01: Just that just splitting it in half produced results.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: We also deployed the mineral bar at the same time.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Courtney.
24:57
SPEAKER_00: So so we have we have a pretty broad um uh you know listener base here.
25:04
SPEAKER_00: And so I don't want to I don't want to run away from you.
25:07
SPEAKER_00: Look, you you and I, we could, man, we could have a great discussion here uh about the nuances of of controlled grazing, but I but I want our our non-farming folks to to hang with us here on this.
25:17
SPEAKER_00: So when you say split your pastures, the whole goal there, when you said that you were rotating these cows, um uh uh um you know, like kind of going through, I call that a lazy rotation.
25:30
SPEAKER_00: You were moving them, you know, whatever, weekly or every few days or something.
25:35
SPEAKER_00: I call that a lazy rotation.
25:37
SPEAKER_00: But but what you the the the change, the two changes you made, one, and we'll get to the second one in a moment, but the first one was that you you went to a a much more intentional regimen of of of rotating these cows from paddock to paddock with with uh uh with a portable electric fencing system.
25:59
SPEAKER_00: Did you start moving them every day?
26:02
SPEAKER_00: Uh twice a day, every third.
26:04
SPEAKER_00: What what was kind of your your regimen there?
26:07
SPEAKER_01: In the beginning, we only moved them once a week, and I was only coming out here once a week, and so we were only moving them once a week.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: Over the summer, as the forage, you know, came on really quickly, we started moving them twice a week.
26:23
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that that's during this year.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: That's during that's during this year of study.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: All right, so you haven't gotten to where you're uh so so my my gold standard is moving them every single day.
26:34
SPEAKER_00: So you're you're still not there, is that correct?
26:37
SPEAKER_01: We did go through um day some daily moves.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: Um we had a very difficult time with that.
26:47
SPEAKER_01: There's some challenges that we ran into.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: Um like I was uh mentioning before, uh, shade was a really big problem for us, and having the cows come back to the barn for milking every day, and the daily moves they just didn't work for us.
27:09
SPEAKER_01: Shade shade was a really big problem.
27:11
SPEAKER_01: It it was such a problem that it became hilarious.
27:15
SPEAKER_01: We built shade shelters after shade shelter.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: We built a shade shelter on a trailer, uh, we put up um a shade um one of those shade tarps uh in the cow pasture.
27:29
SPEAKER_01: The cows ate it, we they stumped it.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: Um we we had a a um big wind come through, destroyed it.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we really had a difficult time uh with shade.
27:43
SPEAKER_01: And so what we ended up doing instead of daily moves, we did these large lanes.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: And so the cows would be in one section, or would they they would be in our paddock, but then they would have a lane that went back to water and it went back to the barn, it went back to the shade.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: And uh that just worked better for us um until we until we could figure out a better way.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
28:09
SPEAKER_00: Uh all right.
28:10
SPEAKER_00: Well, um I I I think I can I can help you on both of those.
28:15
SPEAKER_00: Um one is uh water line, water line out.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh that's pretty cheap.
28:20
SPEAKER_00: You know, you can get water line uh very, very cheaply.
28:24
SPEAKER_00: And uh so that way they don't have to walk anywhere for water.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: And on the shade, we make shade mobiles out of um extended hay wagons using shade nursery shade cloth.
28:34
SPEAKER_00: And if you use nursery shade cloth, it doesn't blow in the wind because it's not, you know, a tarp, a tarp is impermeable.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: So it'll, yeah, it's like a kite, you know, wind comes and it goes everywhere.
28:44
SPEAKER_00: But a shade cloth that's permeable, you know, the wind just ripples through it.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: So that makes it real easy.
28:49
SPEAKER_00: But anyway, I'm I'm wanting to get into the details of this because we're we're we're you know, we're about 10 minutes out of of uh of running out of time here.
28:57
SPEAKER_00: So so I I think it's important to realize that that even at this um uh you know uh whatever, I would say, you know, less than perfect um uh technique, you're gonna see some really big changes in this year's study, which is dramatic, which is dramatic.
29:19
SPEAKER_00: So one one change you made was tightening up your rotation a little bit.
29:22
SPEAKER_00: The second change you made was the mineral program.
29:26
SPEAKER_00: Is that right?
29:27
SPEAKER_00: That's right.
29:29
SPEAKER_01: We decided to use what was that?
29:31
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: We decided to use the advanced biological concepts mineral program because they offer individual minerals that you can put out for the cows instead of what most places offer are a mixed mineral.
29:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh so if a cow, let's say, is deficient in magnesium and they're licking the block of mixed minerals to get the magnesium that they need, they're also, you know, getting all of the other minerals that are that are inside that block because they're all mixed together or a loose mineral, same concept.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: So we we bought this program because they offer them the minerals individually, and we literally place them out like a salad bar with individual components, and we labeled above them where they were.
30:16
SPEAKER_01: And the cows would choose the only the minerals that they wanted.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: And so we tracked that as part of our research, and that's in our poster of what minerals the cows were reaching for first, and we tracked how much we were putting out and how much they were consuming on a weekly basis.
30:36
SPEAKER_00: Before that time, your mineral program had it been loose or blocks?
30:41
SPEAKER_01: Both.
30:42
SPEAKER_01: I used um I had used uh Redmond uh minerals before that, um, which they mixed.
30:49
SPEAKER_01: Of course, they have the salt, uh, the grape, we we love their salt and their garlic salt.
30:54
SPEAKER_01: We had used that program along with their conditioner, and then prior to that, we just used blocks.
31:01
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: All right.
31:03
SPEAKER_00: Now tell us what you found.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: So you you you you run into this for a year, and um, and we all know that cows, cows are terrible for the environment.
31:14
SPEAKER_00: Cows are terrible for the soil, cows destroy everything.
31:17
SPEAKER_00: In fact, we need to get rid of it.
31:19
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you've heard that uh Bill Gates has just uh finished the um the initial round of a$24.5 million uh funding project to develop a vaccine to give cows so they don't fart or burp.
31:34
SPEAKER_00: Um so this this is the this is the cutting edge of Bill Gates research.
31:39
SPEAKER_00: Um your project didn't cost$24 million, I'm sure.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Um so what so so give us give us the bottom line.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: What what did you find in the in the course of the year?
31:48
SPEAKER_00: What did you find at the end of the at the research study?
31:52
SPEAKER_01: We had some we had some fabulous results.
31:54
SPEAKER_01: I mean, in this poster in and of itself showing my forages compared to the forages of my neighbor, that was um, I mean, to me, not being a scientist and not, you know, uh Anna, because she's a biologist, she's very much interested in the pH levels and the mineral content, and we found great results there.
32:16
SPEAKER_01: I'm a very visual person, and this was very exciting for me to be able to show those forages.
32:21
SPEAKER_01: I could see when I was mowing down at behind the cows, I could see uh their urine spots in the grass were green, and all the grass around it wasn't as dense and green as the grass where their urine spots were.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: So I was able to see instantly these visual representations of the minerals going back into the soil.
32:44
SPEAKER_01: Now, from a scientific standpoint, the results that Anna provided that are on the poster that I'll email you, she was able to show drastic improvements.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: And, you know, one of the biggest components of um regenerating the pasture, forages, the soil on the forages is the pH level.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: And when we started this project, our pH level was negative.
33:10
SPEAKER_01: We had negative pH in our soil, and as a result, we had poor forages.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: And um, using this program, we were able to raise the pH to 6.5, uh, which is a which is an ideal level for uh grown forages.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: We were also able to show uh significant increases in the trace minerals of the forages themselves.
33:33
SPEAKER_01: So we actually took samples of the grasses that were available for the cows to graze, and we took samples at the beginning and at the end, and we were able to show improvements in the mineral content of those grasses over the year.
33:50
SPEAKER_00: So when we so when we're feeding these minerals, uh it be the the beauty of this is that this is a uh all it's all part of our fertility program.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, around here on our farm too, uh like yours.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: I mean, these these um these mineral programs are not cheap, and a lot of farmers, you know, farmers balk at the cost of this.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh no, you know, it's gonna be but we we view the money we spend on minerals as some of the best investment we make because it's actually you know flowing through and increasing the fertility of the soil.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh, did you did you look at organic matter or or what what else were were there any other benchmarks that you were looking for that you found?
34:37
SPEAKER_01: We took, like I said, um soil samples.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: So we were just testing the mineral content and also the pH level and the acidity of the soil itself.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: And then also those same uh markers for the forages, the grasses, we took clippings of the grasses and had those tested um for pH and also for the mineral content.
34:58
SPEAKER_01: Those were our two benchmarks.
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Now, there's one other thing that we did that I didn't mention is there were several areas where we were able to.
35:07
SPEAKER_01: We brought in the chickens.
35:09
SPEAKER_01: And uh we, as you know, um, and and obviously you're very famous for the chicken sanitation program.
35:16
SPEAKER_01: And that's what we uh decided, you know, we want those cow patties that potentially have the minerals in them to be broken up and spread across the soil so that when it rains, we get it more spread out um remineralization instead of just those concentrated areas.
35:34
SPEAKER_01: Like with the urine, it was very concentrated in the area, and we wanted uh for it to, you know, be spread out among the whole area.
35:41
SPEAKER_01: And so, in those areas, um, which you'll see on the poster, on the areas where we have control where we did nothing, and then we have cow only, which was most of the pasture land, and then our cow chicken area.
35:54
SPEAKER_01: The cow chicken areas were off the charts better than the cow only area, and then obviously both better than control.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: But there was significant improvement where we used the chickens to spread out the manure um to go back into the soil.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: It's significant improvement in both the soil and the forages.
36:16
SPEAKER_00: So, so did you start selling eggs?
36:18
SPEAKER_00: Or you do you sell eggs too?
36:19
SPEAKER_01: I sell eggs.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: We sell, yeah, we do.
36:22
SPEAKER_01: We sell eggs and um we sell raw milk, like I said.
36:25
SPEAKER_01: Um, and we also sell, of course, uh just our regular vegetables and elderberry.
36:31
SPEAKER_01: Did you tell did you test the milk to see if the composition of the milk changed?
36:37
SPEAKER_01: That's a very I'm so glad that you brought that up because we we also, in addition to um Anna coming, we all are always looking for other people to come, other researchers to come, other interns to come, just people who want to come and work um and also um talk about Jesus.
36:57
SPEAKER_01: That's like my if you're if you're here, we're gonna talk about it.
37:00
SPEAKER_01: So we're we're always um soliciting people to come and uh and work on the farm.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: So we just had a new person, a new biologist come.
37:09
SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is her junior year, and she asked the very same question.
37:14
SPEAKER_01: And I was very, I'm very excited to potentially study this next.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: If a cow is eating this mineral program, would their milk contain trace minerals over a cow that wasn't eating this type of program?
37:33
SPEAKER_01: Isn't that a very interesting thing to study?
37:35
SPEAKER_01: And so oddly, ironically enough, this this was not planned, uh, but ironically enough, this is in the poster that I'm going to email you as a future uh research project.
37:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's so amazing.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:48
SPEAKER_00: So how would you um, I mean, you don't you don't want to now that you've seen so many improvements, you don't want to deny, you don't want to deny any of your cows mineral.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: So where do you get the control and how do you actually uh how do you actually identify that this is this is a result of you?
38:06
SPEAKER_00: In other words, uh if if you use somebody else's cows on another place, that's not you know, how how much do you attribute to the chickens?
38:13
SPEAKER_00: How much do you attribute to the mineral?
38:14
SPEAKER_00: How much do you attribute to the controlled grazing?
38:16
SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's you know, there there's there's so many nuances.
38:19
SPEAKER_00: This is one of the limitations of Western science, right?
38:22
SPEAKER_00: You know, you you you you you have so many variables and you uh you have to adjust for those variables.
38:27
SPEAKER_00: So are are you thinking are you thinking how you you know how you make that kind of comparison?
38:34
SPEAKER_01: Well, I have an idea.
38:36
SPEAKER_01: Um, since I've been here and since I've been doing this, I've collected a large group of people who believe the way that I believe and do the things that I do.
38:45
SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, a group of like-minded people that are milking cows and uh believe in grass-fed and are trying to improve their forages.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: And um, there's several, you know, the unfortunately one of the drawbacks, as you said earlier, to the mineral program is that they're expensive.
39:02
SPEAKER_01: And um, while I'm using that program, a lot of my counterparts who are milking cows are not using that program.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: They're using some type of program, but not that program.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: So I would choose someone that was farming the way that I was farming and that I trusted, maybe somebody that was selling under the same label as me.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: And I would um I would probably use their cows as control.
39:26
SPEAKER_00: Sure, sure.
39:28
SPEAKER_01: Just thinking out loud.
39:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
39:30
SPEAKER_00: No, that that's fair.
39:31
SPEAKER_00: That's fair.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Wow.
39:32
SPEAKER_00: Um yeah.
39:34
SPEAKER_02: It's uh but it's incredible because nutrient density is a huge topic now amongst you know the health and wellness practitioners and like-minded researchers like us and the farmers like Joel.
39:47
SPEAKER_02: So anytime that we can increase the nutrient density of our food, that's a huge win for us, right?
39:53
SPEAKER_02: Because this is well known now that our food is not as nutrient dense, generally speaking, as it was even a couple of decades ago.
40:00
SPEAKER_02: So that's a really for me an exciting prospect that by just doing what you have done with, you know, according to Joel, the subpar, not the subperfect uh rotational grazing, but just sun grazing and introducing this person, what I would call a personalized mineral mineral program, um, you may in fact be able to boost the nutrient density of these foods, which is now gonna help us.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: Because as you know, trace minerals are keenly important in the body, as you know, like parts of cofactors and covariables in every pretty much every single metabolic reaction that we have, you're gonna find some kind of trace mineral involved with that.
40:41
SPEAKER_02: So, and we're finding all these trace mineral deficiencies now in in even people in the United States.
40:48
SPEAKER_02: Every single person I know of that has an autoimmune or chronic disease has a mineral or you know, nutrition deficiency in these micronutrients.
40:58
SPEAKER_02: Um, in fact, we're still seeing cases of scurvy of all things.
41:03
SPEAKER_02: I mean, can you believe it?
41:04
SPEAKER_02: Like we have scurvy cases now, we have berry berry cases now.
41:07
SPEAKER_02: So the work that you're doing on your farm, to me, as a coming from a nutrition standpoint, is really critical.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: And if we have more farmers doing what you're doing, it could be a real turning point, not only for the health of the soil, the forages, and the animals that are grazing there, but also for the humans.
41:27
SPEAKER_02: Um and I just I know we're almost out of time, but I wanted to say just a couple of things, a couple of comments.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: I think it's fabulous that you're seeing that the urine, right?
41:36
SPEAKER_02: You said like the urine spots are actually green, right?
41:39
SPEAKER_02: Because this made me immediately think of dogs.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: And a lot of people complain that their dogs go outside and urinate on their yards and it turns brown, right?
41:48
SPEAKER_02: So isn't that intriguing?
41:50
SPEAKER_02: Like, what is the difference between some of these animals are turning the the green, the the green grass brown or yellow?
41:57
SPEAKER_02: They're burning it, right?
41:58
SPEAKER_02: And Joel, you've talked about this before, right?
42:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Cena, you don't want you don't want to hear this, but uh trust me, cow urine is way better than dog urine.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: You are species.
42:12
SPEAKER_02: Dogs have so many great benefits.
42:14
SPEAKER_00: Like, but no, well cows, cows don't cows don't lie in your lap quite as comfortably as dogs either.
42:22
SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I get that.
42:23
SPEAKER_00: But but but but it it is true that there are there are differences, but um, you know, the the the mineral the mineral component uh is a lot of what actually um is the critical factor in being able to metabolize the nutrients.
42:38
SPEAKER_00: I'll never forget when Jerry Brunetti, the founder of agrodynamics, uh he's just he's passed away now, but um, he was the early guru on this, and he would show electron, electron microscope pictures of GI tracks of of satiated minerals versus unsatiated, and just how the nutrients were transferring in those GI tracts.
43:00
SPEAKER_00: It was it was absolutely amazing.
43:02
SPEAKER_00: And and it it was that was the part of the catalyst that made us on our farm move away from meat and animal bone meal to the animals and go to a high mineral program instead.
43:16
SPEAKER_00: Um, and the animals were able to metabolize out the nutrients that were in the in the grains that we were feeding the chickens, and this is this is chickens primarily, um, we were feeding the chickens and didn't need those um you know those those slaughter, those slaughter wastes, which had become toxic by that time.
43:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh, that was our problem.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: And so the minerals uh were a critical factor.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: So yeah, this is this is big stuff.
43:42
SPEAKER_00: And and and just for the for the folks, and maybe there's maybe there's some um some purist here watching this, so well, wild animals, you know, you don't have to put out mineral boxes for wild animals.
43:51
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but they get they they get to go places that our domestic stock can't go.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: They can go to swamps and and and and charge.
44:00
SPEAKER_00: Old charred trees and you know salt licks in nature.
44:04
SPEAKER_00: You know, the the animals in nature, they move, part of their movement was was finding these minerals.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: And when we fence them in, because Starbucks doesn't want our cows on their parking lot, when we fence them in, uh, then we we don't allow them to go to the beach to get seaweed.
44:22
SPEAKER_00: We don't allow them to go to a you know to a swamp, to a to a different place.
44:26
SPEAKER_00: And so uh, and and when you've raised, you know, monocrops, whether it's corn, cotton, or soybeans for, you know, a century, it depletes the soil, especially of the particular nutrients that those crops want.
44:40
SPEAKER_00: And so, um, so Courtney, what you're doing is magnificent in its in its um animal husbandry, you know, bringing to the animals and letting them choose what they really need, which ultimately is exactly what the land under their feet needs.
44:55
SPEAKER_00: So it's a you know, it's it's a wonderful, wonderful circle.
44:59
SPEAKER_02: I love that.
45:00
SPEAKER_02: And you know, that reminds me of uh because they're intuitively eating, right?
45:04
SPEAKER_02: And Joel, we talk about this a lot on the program like intuitive eating, intuitive cooking.
45:09
SPEAKER_02: So the animals know how to do this, right?
45:11
SPEAKER_02: It's the humans that need to get back in tune with our intuition to figure out how to do it.
45:15
SPEAKER_02: We need to catch up with the animals, right?
45:17
SPEAKER_02: Look to them.
45:19
SPEAKER_00: The animals aren't watching TV ads and seeing YouTube with all the ads popping up on YouTube.
45:24
SPEAKER_02: Okay, so for today's community question, we're gonna give Courtney the opportunity to pose something that she that's on her mind that she wants to learn more from our community about.
45:36
SPEAKER_02: Go ahead, Courtney.
45:37
SPEAKER_01: Do you know where to source raw milk in your community?
45:40
SPEAKER_02: I think that's a great question.
45:42
SPEAKER_02: And it maybe and part B could be if you don't know, maybe do a little sleuthing, as Joel says, and see how hard it is to find raw milk in your own community.
45:52
SPEAKER_02: What do you think?
45:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that sounds good.
45:55
SPEAKER_00: That's a good conversation starter.
45:57
SPEAKER_00: Courtney, it's been really great to have you.
46:00
SPEAKER_00: Man, keep uh this this relationship you have with the university uh and and your and your very small farm to be able to uh actually, you know, this would be more difficult if you were a thousand acres, but being smaller, you know, you can really concentrate your observations and your research.
46:17
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of things that happen in small packages.
46:20
SPEAKER_00: Small is absolutely beautiful.
46:22
SPEAKER_00: And so thank you for being uh you know willing to come on the program here, share your your things, and for being so innovative and for for thinking through uh where we're going.
46:32
SPEAKER_00: Our our best to you and blessings on on you, your family, and your and your farm future.
46:38
SPEAKER_00: And uh we're just delighted to have you on.
46:41
SPEAKER_02: And I want to add a quick before we sign off with Courtney, I want to add a quick PS.
46:46
SPEAKER_02: So for all of you dog lovers, here's a little bit of hope for you.
46:51
SPEAKER_02: If your dogs are peeing and urinating in the yard and it's yellow, switch them to the whole food diet.
46:58
SPEAKER_02: That Joel and I talked about this on one of the Q ⁇ As and what I feed my dogs.
47:01
SPEAKER_02: Because I tell you this, my dogs used to cause the grass to be all brown and die.
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SPEAKER_02: Once I switched them to the whole food, like raw diet, we don't have that problem anymore.
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SPEAKER_02: Like there's no more dead grass.
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SPEAKER_02: Isn't that amazing?
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SPEAKER_00: That is amazing.
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SPEAKER_02: Just from what they're eating, they're getting the minerals in the whole foods now instead of the processed dog food that everyone gives them that's like deplete of most things, including minerals, they're getting them naturally in the food.
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SPEAKER_02: So it's just like your cows, Courtney.
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SPEAKER_02: So cows and dogs are closer alike, Joel, than you may want to think.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they uh they they sure are.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh P is pea, and pea is good if it's good.
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SPEAKER_00: P is not good if it's not good.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's great.
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SPEAKER_02: On that note, on that note, I think.
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SPEAKER_02: Courtney, where can they find you?
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SPEAKER_02: If people want to follow along with what you're doing, you know, or maybe just say hi to you, to you know, like-minded farmer, where can they find more on you?
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SPEAKER_01: We're on Facebook as the Trusty Plow Farm.
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SPEAKER_01: Instagram is at Plowgram.
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SPEAKER_01: They can find us there, and we're in Delonica, Georgia.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, great.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you all for joining us this week.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Courtney, for being here.
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SPEAKER_02: And thank you for bringing a positive story to this day that didn't start out that great, but is it's turned out to be magnificent.
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SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Courtney.