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Red and Blue: Jarom Jordan on BYU's win over Arizona, Highest ranked team from the Big 12, Fred Warner future HOF + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 3: and I'm going to ask Jerem Jordan this question.
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  Speaker 2: Who are.
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, I'm declaring something and just assuming you all
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  Speaker 3: agree with me. Utah and BYU are the two best
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  Speaker 3: teams in the Big 12 Conference. If that's true, who's
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  Speaker 3: number three right now? And it will obviously change at
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  Speaker 3: some point during the season, maybe even this weekend. But
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  Speaker 3: if it BYU and Utah are the top two, who
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  Speaker 3: would you put at number three right now? Jerem Jordan
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  Speaker 3: joins us, friend of the program, BYU insider on all
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  Speaker 3: BYU sports, not just BYU football, BYU sports nation and such.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Jerem. Welcome back. How are you?
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I'm going to Weezer tonight. I just
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  Speaker 1: going to be a party, dude, at the Maverick center, man.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great. We're we in sixth grade in 94. Is that,
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  Speaker 2: is that right?
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  Speaker 2: We're the same age. Something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds right. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys not have a fight song for well beer,
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  Speaker 2: whatever it was called?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think in middle school we didn't,
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  Speaker 1: it was like Michigan, which is ironic. We'd play it
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  Speaker 3: The question I put out on the poll today is, assuming,
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  Speaker 3: and I do assume, that BYU and Utah are right
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  Speaker 3: now the two most impressive teams in the Big 12 Conference,
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  Speaker 3: who's number three? I put some candidates up there, but
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  Speaker 3: you know more than I do. So who is your
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  Speaker 3: number three if I'm making BYU one and Utah two?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's an interesting conversation because we kind of have to
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  Speaker 1: gauge not just wins because everybody's one it's how did
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  Speaker 1: they look and who did you play? And you know,
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  Speaker 1: how do we gauge this early in your thing? So
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  Speaker 1: like right now, B always went over Arizona is the
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  Speaker 1: probably second best win in the league. Obviously Oklahoma state
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  Speaker 1: over Oregon to me would be number one, but yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Texas tech has not looked one explosive on offense and
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  Speaker 1: to the defense and giving up some yards like Oregon state,
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  Speaker 1: Oregon state. So that's kind of weird. I still think
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  Speaker 1: Texas Tech is good. I know Utah is good. I
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  Speaker 1: believe BYU is good. So yeah, those seem to be
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  Speaker 1: the top three, although if Oklahoma State plays other teams
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  Speaker 1: like they played Oregon, that's different. But we saw them
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  Speaker 1: lose to Tulsa by 14. And Utah made Arkansas look
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  Speaker 1: like what we thought, which is the worst team in
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  Speaker 1: the SEC. But they still did it. They felt them good.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, probably. I mean, probably tech, but a lot
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  Speaker 1: of that's based off of last year, if it's just
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  Speaker 1: purely on this year and you had no idea what
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  Speaker 1: happened last year, you know, you, you kind somebody they've
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  Speaker 1: walloped their teams, you know, ASU in the first half
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  Speaker 1: look good against a and M, but then they got
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  Speaker 1: crushed in the second half. So that's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: That I, I, you know, I would put probably tech,
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  Speaker 1: you know, right there, Utah, BYU. I think BYU is
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  Speaker 1: the best team in the league based on the Arizona
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  Speaker 1: wind right now. quickly. It depends. Like if Texas tech
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  Speaker 1: wallops Houston and they look good doing it, I put
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  Speaker 1: tech as number one immediately right away. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: a great question. It's kind of early. We need to
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  Speaker 1: see some, some teams play a better competition and get
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  Speaker 1: a good feel here.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 7,040 So BYU does win and cover against
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  Speaker 3: Arizona state and you know, the adage, good teams win,
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  Speaker 3: great teams win and cover. And they did 28, 17 victory.
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  Speaker 3: Did it look how you, how you thought it was
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  Speaker 3: going to look?
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  Speaker 1: third down converted by Arizona. BYU's
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  Speaker 1: defense was incredible. And so they did a nice job there.
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  Speaker 1: And then BYU nails it out at the end. They
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  Speaker 1: probably could have punched it in inside the 10 again
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  Speaker 1: and made it look even worse. But Kalani is a
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  Speaker 1: dude with a ton of character and he's a nicer
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  Speaker 1: guy than I am. Like I would have punched it
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  Speaker 1: in because I would, I have scars from the last
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  Speaker 1: two years of watching BYU not make the college football
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  Speaker 1: playoff and be on the fringe and And to me,
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  Speaker 1: like a touchdown there maybe helps you, but blind is
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  Speaker 1: a good dude. We all know that like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they kneel it out. So it's all good. I think
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  Speaker 1: good things happen to good people and Kalani has been
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  Speaker 1: rewarded and will be rewarded. So yeah, it was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was a good win over Arizona and you keep going,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at CSU, a team that's going to be up.
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  Speaker 1: They've looked good. Granted, they haven't played anybody in Wyoming,
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  Speaker 1: Southern Utah. Like now it's different. Right. against, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the old mountain West whack team in BYU. They're different
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  Speaker 1: stating by the way for CSU, not the one that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you played in Sean, they got a new
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  Speaker 1: one in 2017. So yeah, let's let's, let's have some
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  Speaker 1: fun Saturday covered when big be healthy. And then it's a,
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  Speaker 1: it's on at TCU the next week. So yeah, if
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  Speaker 1: you're in a good spot right now on the fringe
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  Speaker 1: of the top 10, I think they'll probably enter the
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  Speaker 1: top 10 next week, depending on what happens, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in LSU and, and Ole man, if there's a blowout,
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  Speaker 1: you know, one of those teams drops out of the way,
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  Speaker 1: be really flat in the top 10, man.
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  Speaker 3: Speaker 0 7, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 38, 39, 40, 41, 42, 42, 43, 43, 44, 44, 45, 45, 46, 46, 47, 47, 48, 49, 49, 50.
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  Speaker 1: 51, 51, 51, 51, 52, 52, 52, 53 Could be,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the last time a guy had two and
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  Speaker 1: a half sacks was six years ago, Tyler Batty against
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  Speaker 1: Louisiana tech in the COVID season. So that was impressive.
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  Speaker 1: And County town of us had a better second half
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  Speaker 1: and the BYU defensive line got some push. And a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the times it was with three or four,
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  Speaker 1: like BYU was kind of sitting in zone, making Noah,
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  Speaker 1: pick them apart. And they, he did in the first half,
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  Speaker 1: but not in the second half. And so credit to
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  Speaker 1: that BYU defense and you know, Katie with that pick
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  Speaker 1: and everything, but tell Celia guy that didn't get a
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  Speaker 1: ton of run at Texas and then transfers to BYU
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  Speaker 1: had a few moments last year. And that was, That
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  Speaker 1: was big time. I can see where he has kind
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  Speaker 1: of a seven to nine sack season for BYU. That
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  Speaker 1: was good. He's a very good pass rusher. Like when it's,
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  Speaker 1: when it's a predictable kind of passing down that, that
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  Speaker 1: dude creates some pressure. He's put off the edge.
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  Speaker 2: The brother-in-law of Mike Alisa, if I'm not mistaken, is
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  Speaker 2: that correct?
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  Speaker 1: That's that's correct. Yeah. volleyball in Texas and Hawaii. And
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  Speaker 1: then when she was living in Hawaii, I believe that's
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  Speaker 1: when she and Michael Lisa, one of the stars of
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  Speaker 1: the live action Moana, as we.
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  Speaker 3: All know, the viral star of Moana live action.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Thanks for using his government. Um, yeah. like that beard, that,
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  Speaker 1: that salt and pepper is so good. So yes, that's
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  Speaker 1: the connection. They are, they are related. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Fun fact.
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  Speaker 3: I have invited many, many, many people in the college
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  Speaker 3: football sphere to come to the gym and spar. And
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  Speaker 3: Michael Lisa is one of like three guys who've actually
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  Speaker 3: done it. I've been punched in the face by Michael Lisa.
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  Speaker 2: So I wish I.
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  Speaker 1: Had been punched in the face by Michael. He's just
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  Speaker 1: so good looking.
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  Speaker 3: He's a great dude. So yeah, there's always, there's always
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  Speaker 3: these family connections, right? When we're talking Utah and BYU
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  Speaker 3: football and that, that is one. So kind of cool.
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  Speaker 3: All right. The, the offense, right? This Arizona is one
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  Speaker 3: of those things. I took the under on this game
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  Speaker 3: because Brent, Brandon likes to play tight defense. Obviously BYU
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  Speaker 3: is trying to do the same thing. And you did enough,
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  Speaker 3: more than enough in this game. Like you said, two
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  Speaker 3: score victory for BYU. And, you know, the expectations are so,
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  Speaker 3: so high because of what I think the ceiling for
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  Speaker 3: Bear Bachmeier is and offensive player of the year and
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  Speaker 3: LJ Martin returning to the backfield and all those things.
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  Speaker 3: And I know that some injuries have, you know, hurt
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  Speaker 3: that running back depth and things like that. But is
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  Speaker 3: the offense on pace?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Bears kind of north of eight yards per attempt
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  Speaker 1: to
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  Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield, Vince Young in that company.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's impressive stuff. I almost don't care who
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  Speaker 1: you play. Cause like you just like those numbers are good.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's taking a step forward. Like he's getting
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  Speaker 1: the ball out quick. He's crisp. He's explosive. That 61
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  Speaker 1: yard past the legend glass was awesome because it looked
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  Speaker 1: like you're just going to run it right. Use some clock. Nope.
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  Speaker 1: We're going to get down the field here and get
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  Speaker 1: that second touchdown and kind of put this thing away.
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  Speaker 1: And so he he's doing a great job. The legs are,
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  Speaker 1: you know, He's churning butter when he's going, he had
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  Speaker 1: another one of the kind of guys are clinging onto him,
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  Speaker 1: plays rage, dragging them forward. Oh, lines coming up and
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  Speaker 1: pushing them forward kind of play. So yeah, he's, he's really,
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  Speaker 1: he's really good, man. Like BYU is lucky to have him.
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  Speaker 1: He's a great fit. He loves it at BYU. And
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  Speaker 1: so he's, he's playing great. And the future continues to
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  Speaker 1: be bright. Aaron Roderick said on a coordinator's corner yesterday,
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  Speaker 1: like we worked on this version of bear in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: Getting the ball out quick, being better pre-snap, being explosive.
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  Speaker 1: It just doesn't make a ton of bad throws. There
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  Speaker 1: was one slant where he kind of threw it kind
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  Speaker 1: of predetermined on a third and two where BYU is incomplete.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, like, I think he just makes... all
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  Speaker 1: the right decisions and his legs are a massive weapon
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  Speaker 1: for him. He's trimmed down just a little bit, but
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  Speaker 1: he's still a big dude. So I love it, man.
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  Speaker 1: Like I completely trust him. And he's shiny 14 and
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  Speaker 1: two as a starter, like that is for the best.
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  Speaker 1: Is that good? I asked our homies that stats perform
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  Speaker 1: this kind of national set services. And where does that rank?
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  Speaker 1: Like in the big 12, they said that's tied from first.
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  Speaker 1: with some of the best names you've ever heard, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Vince young and, and you know, some of these guys
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  Speaker 1: in the big 12, 10 to three. So he's doing great.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's, and obviously he knows the weapons around him.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's got LJ Martin, one of the best backs
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  Speaker 1: in the country, a very good defense, good special team.
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  Speaker 1: So the formula is working and, and if BYU has
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  Speaker 1: their line bear to win, they can win with them.
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  Speaker 1: If they make sure, Hey, don't turn it over and
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  Speaker 1: move the chain. So he'll do that too. He can
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  Speaker 1: do it any, any way, man.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't paid much attention to what Colorado state is
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  Speaker 3: or is supposed to be this season.
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  Speaker 2: They're not on Utah schedule. They're two and oh, so far.
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  Speaker 3: But it's also one of those programs now in the
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  Speaker 3: PAC 12, obviously formerly Mount West.
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  Speaker 2: Team that they have history.
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  Speaker 3: And BYU is one of these really interesting teams where
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  Speaker 3: like Colorado state, they look at Wyoming and they look
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  Speaker 3: at Colorado as rivals, but they also hate BYU because
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  Speaker 3: everyone from the old Mount West conference days hates hates BYU.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if any of the guys that like
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  Speaker 3: on the roster, even on the coaching staff now have
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  Speaker 3: those feelings towards BYU, but certainly parts of the fan
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  Speaker 3: base do.
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  Speaker 2: Can you see that affecting the game in any way?
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  Speaker 1: Not a ton. I mean, the fans would be excited
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  Speaker 1: about it, but a bunch of BYU fans will be there.
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  Speaker 1: Cause it's a kind of mountain time zone game where
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  Speaker 1: you get to play on the road. There's not too
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  Speaker 1: many of those. So yeah, Jim Morris, the head coach,
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  Speaker 1: and he did a great job at Yukon. Obviously everyone
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  Speaker 1: knows him from a, you know, NFL experience. And then
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  Speaker 1: UCLA is two and O against BYU from this time
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  Speaker 1: at UCLA. So Cougar's trying to get a, get a
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  Speaker 1: win against him. Two members of the staff have BYU connections. Matt,
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  Speaker 1: all you played at BYU. He's the Nickelbacks coach. Cue
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  Speaker 1: up the Nickelback. Look at this photograph song going to
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  Speaker 1: break James, go ahead and just get that ready. And
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  Speaker 1: then Matt Mitchell, the former BYU assistant quarterback coach, he's
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  Speaker 1: he's a guy that BYU lost in the off season. CSU.
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  Speaker 1: And so you might need to do a little of
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  Speaker 1: what they had to do in 22 when they played
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  Speaker 1: Baylor and Jeff Grimes had gone to Baylor the year
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  Speaker 1: after sometimes, you know, you have to change how you
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  Speaker 1: get a plan, but now that they have the helmet communication,
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  Speaker 1: that's not as big of a deal, but I think
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  Speaker 1: the fans will be up for it. And he seems
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  Speaker 1: interesting because Yes, they played Wyoming and SU, but they've
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  Speaker 1: looked really good, very explosive on offense with a house Haney.
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  Speaker 1: Like he he's run for long touchdowns. He's passed along touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: got some good backs and good receivers. turned it over
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  Speaker 1: eight or given, given away only one time, taking it
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  Speaker 1: away eight times. So margin, they're really good at that.
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  Speaker 1: That's where they could equalize a little bit of it
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  Speaker 1: against BYU, but BYU has not turned it over in
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  Speaker 1: two games. The Cougars do a really good job of
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  Speaker 1: taking care of the football. And so I think if
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  Speaker 1: BYU kind of plays the normal game that they play
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  Speaker 1: and they don't have anything go crazy where they turn
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  Speaker 1: it over a bunch, they should win convincingly. All right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's talk about the big 12 conference in general, aside
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: from Oklahoma state upsetting Oregon, It was kind of a
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: bad weekend for out-of-conference play for the Big 12 Conference,
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  Speaker 3: but that Oklahoma State win, as shocking as it was,
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  Speaker 3: the biggest upset really in college football so far this year,
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  Speaker 3: it kind of overshadows anything that might have hit the
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  Speaker 3: Big 12 negatively, I think, in the non-con. Focusing on
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  Speaker 3: Oklahoma State and Oregon, I don't know how much you
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  Speaker 3: actually got to watch of it, but they lose to Tulsa,
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  Speaker 3: then they beat Oregon. Which team is the real team,
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  Speaker 3: and which team is the team that you've got to
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  Speaker 3: worry about if you're playing them later in the year?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, how do we change our evaluation of Oklahoma
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  Speaker 3: State specifically based on the fact that their ceiling is
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  Speaker 3: good enough to beat Oregon?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Week one was weird. Like it was there, you know,
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  Speaker 1: tune up, I guess. I was like, how do you,
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  Speaker 1: how do you lose by 14 on runners? Could have
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  Speaker 1: been more. They kind of made a comeback there. But
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  Speaker 1: when you, when you beat Oregon and, and I know
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  Speaker 1: the six goes away and you know, what are they
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  Speaker 1: 21 or something? They, Oregon has one of the most
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  Speaker 1: talented rosters in America. And they, they punked them like
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  Speaker 1: 554 yards. This felt like old school, Oklahoma state. Did
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  Speaker 1: it not like, and coming into the year, we knew
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  Speaker 1: that mess, the maker had come from North Texas, led
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  Speaker 1: the country in passing as a true freshman. Like he
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  Speaker 1: and bear Bachmeier were kind of your two best true
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  Speaker 1: freshmen in the country last year. This dude ran for
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  Speaker 1: a hundred as well. I think he had a 75
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  Speaker 1: yard run, the helicopter, John Elway touchdown, where he's flipping
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: into the end zone. I mean, w what you saw there,
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: if you see that the ceiling is that high, certainly
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: you have to evaluate them in a different way. And
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: so they, they are very interesting. Are they going to
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: be a big 12 title contender? I don't know if
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: they're one of the best three teams right now, but
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you watch that game and you say, well, why not?
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: So we need a little more consistency, but certainly that
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: wind tells you that the ceiling could be really high. Now,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: what if Oregon just absolutely stinks this year? We look
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: back on it. We can do that later. But as
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: of now, I mean, you got to respect what the
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: mess maker looks like the offensive player of the year
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: in the league moving forward. But again, it was one game,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: but that looked pretty thinking good.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. And it is hard to judge.
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: And that's, that's why I put this poll out today
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: because I was like, all right, in week two, this
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: is what we think. And then we'll look back on
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: it again in week four and week six, and we'll
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: probably feel differently about it. As far as the, the
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: overall landscape of college football, you know, Michigan gets a
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: win over Oklahoma and Ohio state goes down and a
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: comeback from Texas and, You know, just, it's been spectacular
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: so far. It's been a really fun season to watch
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: through only two weeks. Your biggest takeaways from the national landscape.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: That we need more Texas, Ohio state matchups, that it's
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: going to be okay with the 12 team playoffs that
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: like we, we shouldn't, especially if it's tight. Like I
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: know Ohio state got pushed down five, but it's like,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: they're still going to be in the playoff. Like, cause
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: they can lose twice and still be in. And, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: that's fine. They, they need to win and look good still,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: but like, it's going to happen. Right. I love that
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: matchup that they had the sort of scheduling courage to do.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So not everyone does like Indiana doesn't do it. You know,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame's not really doing it. Although I love that
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: they're coming to Provo. You know, a lot of SEC
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: teams won't go play that game, you know? So I
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: love the ASU played Texas A & M. I like
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: that a lot. So yeah, that was one of my
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: takeaways and it's, it's early. It just reminds me too,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: that like, I just, while BYU is 11 in the
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: AP poll and I'm looking up, you know, top 10
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: history stuff so I can be ready. Should they get
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: in next week? I just really don't want to pull until,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: October sometime, or even early November, you know, when we
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: get the college football playoff ball, I realize it's for
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: marketing and it makes it interesting. The win over Oregon
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: means a little more because they have that little six
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: next to them, but just generally speaking, it just, it
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: just takes a minute to kind of see what everybody is.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: And I liked the, the, the AP poll pollsters had
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the courage to actually put BYU over a couple of
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: teams that didn't lose. They put them over USC and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Texas tech based on BYU. being a good Arizona team.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: And so it's hard to really evaluate that and whatnot,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: but just college football is awesome, man. Like you said,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: we had some great games, some big upsets, some incredible
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: comebacks like Texas. I, I was watching the game in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Payton and my brother-in-law's I go to my house and
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I was kind of entertaining my kids in the car
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: instead of watching it. And I turn it on and
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: now it's they're driving to win the game. I was like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: what in the world happened? This is awesome. I wish
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: that Sark would actually talk to Holly row. The college
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: football is the best.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: The fact that you're sitting at number 11, and if
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: you keep winning, maybe it's 10, maybe it's 9. I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: want to make sure I phrase this the right way.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Some programs, you have to get used to that. You
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: have to learn how to carry that. It feels like
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: the recent success of BYU maybe has prepared not only
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the players, but the program itself, coaches, and everyone else.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: to kind of be able to carry expectations that come
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: with having such a high ranking. Is it, is it
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: the right time for BYU to be in this conversation
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: from that standpoint? Like do the players and the coaches
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: and the school and everyone know how to handle this
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: in a way that maybe if it were three or
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: four years ago would have been harder.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. It's, it's not this kind of, Hey,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: we're in the top 10. We made it. It's, we
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: need to make, win the big 12 title game and
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: go to college football playoffs. Like this ranking's cute and nice,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: but like, it doesn't actually mean anything because in the
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: last two years, BYU has been inside the top 10.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: There was highest seven in 2024. There was high as
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: eight last year and didn't actually get them anything relative
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: to those goals. And so, yeah, I think this team
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: is very weathered and seasoned. And if you're a junior
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: on this team. You've been in the top 10 for,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: you know, if they get in next week or soon
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: three straight years, which is a cool, notable accomplishment, but
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it's not written on the wall anywhere in the facility
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: or written down. It's, it's, it's when the big 12 and,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: or get to the college football playoffs. And so it certainly,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: those are means to target on their back and every
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: team's going to give you their best shot. And yes, you,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: you might be favored, but it's about showing up and winning. And, and,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: you know, there's, there was a certain amount of humility
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: given by losing big to Texas tech twice, like clients, Taki,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Aaron Roderick, and others have said, Hey, humble and hungry is,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: is the motto. And I think BYU is still that
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: even though the range 11, it's kind of different, like,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you know, nine, when BYU beats Oklahoma and they launch
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: into the top 10 there, there was a certain confidence
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: and swagger there, but like then Florida state comes in
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: and smacks BYU. So yeah, you, you gotta show up
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: and you gotta, you gotta do what you're supposed to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: do against Colorado state. And then TCU, even though they
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: didn't look good against UNC, that's a big game because
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: BYU is only one twice there before. And now they
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: got that number at. And it's, it's important. Every game
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: you get, you gotta win. You can't get show up
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: and just be Kansas at home. Oh, wait in 24,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: they somehow shocked BYU in that costume, you know? So
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I think BYU is humble enough to realize no, no, no,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we haven't earned anything quite yet.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, do you want to talk about how great
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: the 49ers looked at Australia against the Rams?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Speaker 3, dude, they looked incredible. Were you surprised by that?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: Cause I thought, Hey, the Niners could compete here. That's
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a good game. Like Niners are good, but the way
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: they kicked butt down in that was unbelievable. Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I was really pleased with that. I, that was like,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: for me thinking of this Niners team and the age
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: of some of the stars in that I'm like, okay,
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: if everyone's healthy, the ceiling for this, this squad is
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: pretty high. And I feel like they played very close
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: to that ceiling against a team that, you know, the
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: Superbowl favorites. So, yeah, I mean, like we've been talking
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: about the general theme of all these conversations has to
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: be it's only a one week sample size.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: But I was more than pleased for sure.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh. And like, I mean, get up doesn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: help with this. I'm like, would they go undefeated to like,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: are they? I'm like, you can't. I don't want any
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: of my relationships in my life to be that volatile.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Like you can't be that high and that low. Like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: we gotta be in the middle a little more there.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: So NFC West is going to be fun. You know,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: Sam Darnold getting hurt and certainly shakes things up for
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my Seahawks, but dude, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, Mike McDonald,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: like this trio of coaches and, and Oh, by the way,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Cardinals beat the chargers. So NFC West had a very
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: interesting weekend.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, when you're watching Seahawks Cardinals this week, are
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: you rooting for, for Tyler Algier to have a great game?
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: Even though it would be bad for the Seahawks.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: .
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: being back for the Niners. Holy cow.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think he needs another downplayed to be a
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: hall of famer. Like I think he's, I think he
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: would get in at this point. He's the greatest defensive
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: player to play in the NFL ever from BYU. And
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: he will become the second Cougar in the pro football
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: hall of fame with Steven. Like he is He is
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: repped so well. And it's wild that he was an
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: outside linebacker at BYU, and then he becomes a middle
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: linebacker and the best middle linebacker in the NFL. It's
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: like what you play or do in college does not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: equal the same thing in the NFL. And Fred has
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: worked super hard, and he's awesome, man. I'm super proud
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: of him. His first college interview was with us on
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: BYU Sports Nation. He was 17 years. and clean shaven and,
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: and just, just arrived on campus right before fall camp.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: And now he's the best linebacker in the world. Like
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's just been fun to see his progression.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: I'm looking at his college stats right now, 2014 to 2017,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: when BYU was an independent, he played 49 games in
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: a Cougs uniform.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: 49 games. He said, yeah.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: And now he's with the San Francisco 49ers. And, and
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: he had, He peaked at 87 tackles. I mean, he
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: was a productive player. He's a good player. He wasn't
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: like the best player in the world for BYU. Like
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: he is in the NFL, but he was a good
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: player for BYU.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And 2017 BYU was terrible. Like he still, he
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: still got drafted high, right? It's not always like our
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: team was good. Therefore we have a bunch of things.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Like it doesn't always work that way. Although I do
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: think if you, I had a great year this year,
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: they could set the record for most picks in a
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: draft from BYU, which would be six. That'd be awesome.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Speaker 2, Fred Warner had seven interceptions from the linebacker
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: position at his BYU career.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Speaker 3, Dude, his best one was at Boise state
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: he's going to get tackled like five times, go pull
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: that one up against the book. And then after the game,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: someone took a, someone had like a still shot down
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the line and the, the physical white line was not
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: straight makes fun of like the, the Weeby line that he, he, he,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: he went down. That was, that was a gnarly play
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: and gnarly game. BYU. Yeah. I lost that game. I think.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: I can't remember 2016. Yeah. That was a wild one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: I remember.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: October 20th, 2016, BYU's Fred Warner picks six against Boise State.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: This is going to make me feel weird because I
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: love Fred Warner, but BYU Cougars doing good things makes
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: me queasy, you know?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Look at that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Crazy, right? Oh, my gosh.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: How did he not get it? How did he not
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: go out of bounds on that? When the guy tried
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: to tackle him and he spun out of it, that's crazy.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: .
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: That's really crazy.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: That's one of the, I think it's like a top
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: 20 defensive play of BYU ever like just the play
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: others are ranked higher because you, we did a top
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: 100 play show a couple of years ago and it
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: was during COVID. And my favorite thing about it was
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: just figuring out which plays went where. And what we
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: learned is the greatest plays are great plays with great context.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: That's a rivalry. That's a big game. That's the last
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: second thing. When you combine those two, that makes like
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the plays that everyone talks about and remembers. Right. So the,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know that that plays like a last second
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: one and BYU I lost that game. So it's not
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: like super, super high on the list.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: .
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: .
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Four is a weird number for a linebacker, by the way, Fred.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: You know what? When you wear a single digit, you
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: just run faster for some reason. I don't know. I
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. Like, isn't that the case?
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Like when, when they made that the rule in the NFL,
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: the couple of years ago, they're like, Oh yeah. Like
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you can go single digit, whatever. Like it just changes
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: the perception of the guy. It's kind of like, if
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: you wear, if you wear a, Like, like TJ Hawes,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: TJ is my boy when he, but when he wore
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: like black shoes, I was like, does he look slower?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Like what's going on? TJ is a quick dude. Like,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether what it is again, TJ is
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: my guy, but I was like, I don't know if
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: that's the look, you know?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess it's not. All right.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Now I'm stuck on in a, in a rabbit hole
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: of Fred Warner highlights. So I'm going to go watch
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: some of those. And there's the Nickelback you.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Asked for from James. Wow. Jeremy, you're the man. Thanks
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for joining us, my friend.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, enjoy the other video of Nickelback where they take
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: out the look at this photograph and it's just like
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: a mathematical graph. Look at this graph. Have a great day, Sean.
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