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Episode 242: Common Ground (SGA 3.07) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and forty two took in Stargate. Scarter is
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here today, Mitch Brendan Maddie, Yeah yeah, good mark him down.
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His attendance present absolutely stellar, yet little sick this one called Mitch. I
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can't remember common Ground and Brown. Yes, Laddy knew it. I watched
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it me hours ago and I was like, oh god, oh god,
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Shepherd gets captured by the Jedi. Let's let's put this down to it should
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have been Concolia. Don't you like it? How Colier even mentioned his last
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the last episode he was meant to appear in. That was my cool,
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but I was busy filming something else, so we deem took my idea and
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killed chief. O'Brian gives us an idea. I mean to tell you what
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he was doing. He was off making Buddy shampoo commercials. The Luscious lots
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on Robert Darby this week, like he's just usually when else you see him,
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it's a bit more wiry. It looks a little bit. It was
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like clean and very well brushed in this episode. Like someone say, Oily,
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I don't know me, You're greasy, all right? Common Ground?
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What did they say about it? John Shepherd is kidnapped by the Jani and
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is in the company of a wreath. Maybe maybe we can Is there a
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synopsis on Prime? There is there? You go all right, here we
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go take number two according to the Great People Great Amazon Prime video. Summoned
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to a planet by a communication code, the team is ambushed by Collier,
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who now has created his own faction of Jenni after being forced from the Inner
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Circle aka the last episode. While the rest of the team manages to escape,
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Shepherd is taken prisoner. Were bad? See that is good? That's
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all like credit stuff because obviously there's the big revealing this that it's a race,
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like they wait for yeah, while yeah, yea that moment we get
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a name though, did he No? I was going to talk to you
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about that before we started recording, but I forgot. I was waiting for
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a name. He gets in. I was waiting for n I feel like
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if we give it away, it'll okay, So we'll just dam We'll let
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it roll into my head then. But yeah, I uh, at my
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time Shepherd when he was and that's that's oh my god. Okay. Side
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note, did you guys know that they made Inspector Gadget Toys back in like
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the eighties and nineties, they made a doctor Claw figurine and you can see
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his face. Well, wait till you see it's not just the chair with
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the arm. Did you get to what did you watch much inspector Gadget?
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean anything to me what you just said. So
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that's what the figuring looks like in the packet. So they cover up his
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face so you can't see it, and then you buy the figurine that's his
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mounted up face. Why would they do that? What does he usually look
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like? You one time like blowfeld off bond for thela okay, and uh
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yeah he goes next time, Gadget every time time. That's what I was
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referencing. Yeah, with the wraith, all right, who's I'm sure you
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can't And I'm like, okay, what's the who's what's this going to be?
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And then when they bring out the Yeah, that's cool, okay,
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that's remember that, and then you they bring out the wraith and then they
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shove him back in and then the rais obviously he's asking Shepherd, even though
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he says shepherd and gives it away, but he's asking him questions that oh
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okay, so that was like a bit of a red hair. Oh okay,
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wonder who this person is. And then it slightly comes around and oh
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okay, it was like a it was it was a double blowback. You
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were meant to me to think that it was the Wraith, and then when
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I thought it was the Wraith, he told me it wasn't. But now
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it actually it is and that's good, and like, come the end of
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this and I'm like, this is yeah, because I thought that I thought
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it was going to be like a uh got the name of the movie Counted
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Monte Cristo. Oh yeah, I haven't. No, I mean maybe you
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know what a mitual friend of ours that was like his favorite. He loved
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the Matrix and count of Monte Cristo and like every time, oh mate,
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it's next on the list back when you only had DVDs. So I could
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probably watch it seven ways from Sunday over this weekend. But yeah, it
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seems like it would be amazing. I don't know why with the name of
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the sandwich comes from the Jim caveasel, I prefer the guy Pierce with sauce,
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the Moneys Passion extra ham cheese, sandwich. It's been deep fried.
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That was the passion of the Christ. That's what he looked like at the
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end. I think the other day I was a meme and it was like,
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why do Christians wear crosses? Why do you think why do you think
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Jesus and God would want to be reminded about the cross? That's not a
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good time for him. Why would you want to then wear the cross all
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the time. Like, I don't mind the idea of them wearing I don't
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understand the cross, but where Jesus on the cross, the crucifix itself the
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rude, I'd say, for sure, because you're kind of showing his sacrifice
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for you, if that's what you believe. But just the cross, it's
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kind of like that's Roman. Yeah, there were hundreds of it was like
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thousands, the murder weapon of my Savior. Yeah, this is how my
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Savior was killed. Yeah, But anyway, I guess they had a true
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between that a crown of thorns or a crown of marble. Imagine if imagine
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if Christians all these years actually we're just wearing like nails around their neck,
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just like a just like a nail, just like that would be amazing that
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would be kind of cool because he was a carpenter, Is that what you
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mean? Because he was nail to the hand and his ci the way the
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way they held him up on that cross nails. Did he ever did he
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ever do any carpenter? Like not much. He carried a hammer, like
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he carried a lump of wood, and everyone's like he's busy, he's busy.
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Saved him. It's like he was just going nice of me going to
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work. Yeah, if you walk around your office with a sheet of paper,
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people think he is it like a carpenter. The story has been built.
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It was. It was a buck's not going wrong. Okay, that's
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my long raining theory. Okay, no, but like you read, I
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said, read the book the Bible. I've never read it. But like
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up and the ending. We watched the Mother, watch the movie. You
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know you've seen it, seen this, seeing the stage play. He's a
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carpenter. But like all the stories you're here, it's not like he was
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on the job and he's like, oh guys, oh yeah, we're on
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smoke O. Like, just just form a circle. I want to tell
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you a parable. Grab your eyes break. It sounds like Joseph's at the
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on the job site doing a lot of work himself, gone, are you
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ever going to come to fucking work? You lazy? This generation, this
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new generation, and I want to pick up a hammer, then I don't
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want to hammer an ailand or a bloody bit of wood. Plot twist,
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Joseph is the one that actually made the cross that he was crucified on.
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This will also this, this will teach him ship. This isn't a religious
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based episode, but geez, we've we've started strong. Now come the end
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of this, I I'm like, this is I guess for good reason,
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probably the most obvious thing to say. This is the best like next level
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Wraith stuff. I'm like, okay, cool, we know what they are,
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we know what they do, and they've basically been like, aside from
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Michael going, yeah, you know what, we actually want to kill a
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bunch of others because we don't like them, and so we can take it.
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It's like, yeah, but eventually you're going to come for us.
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It's like this whole team up thing. Whereas then you get this episode.
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He's still a bloodthirsty Wraith, but he's like I can kind of be reasoned
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with, Like they've got some kind of you know, mutual warrior thing understanding.
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But then the reveal at the end of it's because I'm watching, I
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go, Okay, what are they going to do? They don't have a
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sarcophagus. Maybe they should have brought one to Atlantis, like just for ships
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and giggles, just in case we have run in some real stuff, because
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what a sarcophagus reverse the damage done by a wraith or sucky hand, or
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maybe because maybe that line that Carson says about how what we see as aging
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is actually not so, I guess you could get lots of things we don't
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understand. I do remember the first time I watched this episode, like on
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DVD, just being like, how the are they going to get out of
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this? Like the first couple of times they fed on John, I was
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like John, I was like, how can I get when he started getting
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like a little bit of salt and pepper, even the first one, Like
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again, just for someone who's new to the Wraith, and I know that
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it does damage. Know that if it's quote unquote, it's not really aging,
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but it is whatever. When he's like he's sucked on his chest for
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like five seconds, maybe say that again, just say it again, and
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that was in the print. Can you just play with the nipples or say
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that I don't need I don't need to say you. I'm not gonna sell
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you why, but I just he had his nipples a little bit hang on
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lick something. He's always wanted the linkage, you know, like that sort
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of ship. And so he's like, oh, those years that I took
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off, you didn't even aren't even enough for like a little snack. And
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I like, holy did you just lost years of your life? But like,
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okay, that's fine. That's year's a little snack, you know.
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But then when the next one and he's going gray, and I'm like,
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yeah, we're not getting out of this, you know. And so like
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come the end, when you like I figured that's where it was going to
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go. I wonder whether this is going to turn into a case where they
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can kind of give not give life back. I didn't think about it in
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those terms, which is what they ended up using. But I'm like,
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I wonder if they can essentially like verse the process in a way. And
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then when he goes and he you know, sucked those two soldiers in the
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sucked off those two soldiers in the Jungle's just like just double handed. And
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then I'm like, Okay, he's really hungry, this guy. But it's
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like no, no, no, he's because he's like taking one for him,
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one for a mate. And then he goes back to John and he
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just like slams his hand down again right under the pants. But then like
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when when the rest of the team are coming up to because they hear you,
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hear you, hear John in the throes of passion through the jungle was
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like quick, there's an orgy, you know, and like he starts taking
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his trench coat off, woman leather dominatrix. He wants to me naked by
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the time he gets there. And when he gets there, he did healy
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pull off the he pulled off the ray. I mean like when he runs
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through and there's a bit of a clearing and that's where this unnamed Wraith is
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with John giving him some life back. We don't know that yet. Yeah,
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we can assume that he was seven seconds away from death anyway, So
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if he feeds on him once more, he's dead. He's clearly not doing
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that. We're not about to lose the lead of the show halfway through the
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third season, but as soon as Ronan busts through the bush or TVD guys
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and then sees this unnamed wraith seemingly killing John. He's got a gun in
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his hand. He would have absolutely shot him. Yeah, that's something that
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I was pissed off about because I'm like sure that if you hear John screaming,
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you go, he's dying, He's getting killed. He runs through by
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that stage you run like, we want the surprise where John rips Ronan away
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from killing this wraith and he's young again or was it Becket or no,
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it was McKay's, like he's younger than he was look yesterday, you know
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you want that reveal as opposed to just like John just sitting on the ground
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like lean his hand, going wow, I did not see it. Yeah,
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Like John basically looked down the camera and went I'm back. Yeah.
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It was very unron And to run through see a wraith killing as he said
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earlier, my friend and not shoot him immediately. Yeah, No, I
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thought I wat the same thing down. The only way I was able to
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buy that back in my head as a possibility. And again, Ronan probably
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wouldn't know any of this stuff. Is he could potentially say, like the
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stuff that happened with ford Is. It's like if a wraith dies while it's
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feeding, it can inject because it injects shit into them. Oh yeah,
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and that's how it up forward. But I don't think Ronan would know any
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of that. He's a Mozzi, right if the Mozzi buncher now and they
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say like, brush it off, don't like''re not supposed to kill it.
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I don't think kill her. Did you know that it's only female skin as
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the feed Brennan, your thoughts. I have no thoughts really on only the
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fee sucking blood out and taking what's not theirs. You don't have anything the
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blood sucking insects, no, nothing to say about that. The kids and
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one of them, I don't even know what the insect animal maybe fit.
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Where we were, we're down like near the water, and he and my
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youngest and he said, oh, did you know there's a type of Again,
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I don't know what type of animal was. He said that that when
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it has a baby, it kills the baby. And I'm like, no,
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I don't think she said or there's another one where the baby like kills
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the mom. And I've never heard of that, And I kind of wanted
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to turn to it. But do you know that the praying mantons when they
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make a baby. Yeah, I'll tell you this one mate, when they
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make a baby and like the dad has done his job, okay, then
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the mom kills the dad. That's right, while they still through the brain
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like this. There's the third episode of Buffy ever is it's a giant praying
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mantis lady who eats virgins like high school virgin boys. They all want to
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and she's a teacher. She's a high school teacher. Otherwaise put the weirdest
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episodes like second or because they're still trying to figure it out. You know
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what you're in for. This is the show about vampires. But they decide
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there's a woman who is a giant praying mantons. Don't call it a demon
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because the demons in that show as well. She's just a giant praying mantis
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that they defeat with batsnar on a tape recorder. Yeah, emancipation, Peter
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Parker. That yeah, that happens in every series. Don't worry. I
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e t and fast Cake. Yeah true. This episode for me reminded me
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of a bunch of her neil Ones Brief Candle. The first Ones and Abyss
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where O'Neil gets captured by a bar. It's all call O'Neill the first Sorry
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tool First Ones and O'Neill. Well, it just reminded me of it,
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only this was just a little bit as they're running through the bush and then
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he's kind of doing his wraith thing and and like chemistry between John and the
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Wraith was like Unas and Daniel. Yeah, at least in the first one.
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Yeah, but that was adress. That's what I'm saying. That's true.
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Yeah, that was my only issue with that because I loved the episode.
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For whatever. You just said that and I just said, you know,
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Ramstein, is it do haldsome pop up just popped in my head that
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is, well, let's go back and do the episode and we can we
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can use that. We'll do a special on the first one. I'm trying
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to think of the words. A little bit of interesting bit of trivia is
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the unnamed Wraith's face tattoo. Was that a request because we didn't ask did
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you realize who that was? That's the dad falling and I didn't for a
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while, and then once I think when you get a good look and it
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was his chin that gave it away of all things way because he's got that
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really like lower jaw pronounced. He does end up going on to Sanctuary with
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Amanda tapping when they both finished the show. And it's really really good.
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He was probably the best demon. I've said it before in Supernatural. He
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did for someone who doesn't love you do such a great job. No,
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I was being holding in Supernatural right, training me the god about you know
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what I mean? Give it up? That was Trump again again, use
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the hands you what I mean? It was amazing. It was outstanding.
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The greatest episode anyway. The first one was good. The second one was
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Jimmy Fallon doing Yeah, that hurts. Jimmy hurts more than anything. So
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the race tattoo his it do. That was a special request by Christopher Hyer
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two Cowboys No to resemble Starman from Kiss because his favorite character from Kiss is
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a freely. I think that's he pronounced the last name. I think I
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p fore he's the star Man. He's the one that has like the star
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So Chris Hardol requested that his that his Wraith tattoo resemble something like that,
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so they went course, thank god it wasn't the cat one. Oh that
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would have been amazing. It's his favorite kiss characterstic Cat. That's been so
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good. And apparently this is the the shortest pre credits of any episode of
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Atlantis. Then pre credit, Yeah, so the part the part then running
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through the forest running away from the Jenior whatever and then Shepherd getting hit by
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the grappling looked amazing. Yeah, apparently to do that when they cut into
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the short part that was a it was a stuntman like running on a treadmill,
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like just in the middle of a forest or whatever, and then so
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it looked like he was running, so then they were they had the thing
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and they were just like reefed off the treadmill. Yeah, but apparently that
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that sequence that's the shortest pre credits of any episode of Atlantis. Apparently I
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haven't done the research on that, but well we're yeah, what was it?
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It was that and then cool yeah, Hello Colonel Shepherd, Hello Newman.
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Oh coolier, and it got like there was that coha new cut to
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black and then it comes back Colia cool yeah, and I'm like, oh,
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damn it, I haven't been recording this. If I'm going to have
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to go back and watch this again just to like montage every time he says
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Colier, but then he sort of like eased off a little bit, and
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they did use it ongoing like everyone, and I'm like, I'd just rather
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it be a john thing and he's not saying it that much, so but
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yeah, it was just a nice welcome back, yeah, like come back
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from the great Colier. And like Taylor even goes like throws his first name
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in there as well, like a Custas away. Taylor was in this,
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that's right. But the thing is is whenever they say his full name,
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which is which is a Costas Collier, it just makes me think of Augustus
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and I'm just like, you take all threat out of him when you realize
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I just I picture him as a little fat kid and that's why he's so
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mean, because he was just like, yeah, he was a song that
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we were making fun of a lot when the Johnny Depp one came out.
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Augusta's Gloop. It's like a weird song's gloopy. I can't remember the Big
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and Tony nincom poop or something like that, so weird I saw gloop aust
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Oh, this is a me my soul. The other day inside Willy want
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his chocolate factory, Willie. Everything you see in this room is edible me
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everything looking at Willy's fat ass and Willy under his breath, everything you're biting
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one of the dwarfs. Yeah, and then I'll give old Old Shepherd m
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when they obviously swapped out and it wasn't actually really yeah, when it wasn't
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Joe Flanagan anymore, And that is the same guy who played Old Sumner.
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On a second, Hang on a second, I didn't even really take note
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of that. It looked like right right at the end when he was like
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his most emaciated, and that wasn't Joe Flanagan. That was I didn't write
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down his name. But he also did the same thing in Rising with Old
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Sumner. So the very last Old Sumner you see isn't the terminator. It's
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the same guy that was wearing that prospect makeup, who was also jup,
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who was one of the tentacle headed aliens from Prometheus Unbound, you know when
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they land on the planet and Daniel Jackson's like, my name's Hannah. Yeah,
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those guys with the technical heads and the big bug eyes. Yeah,
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same guy. Yeah, I thought that was interesting. I'm sure I have
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paid because I just I saw it. I'm like, oh, wow,
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he's just got one of those like old men masks and that you can yeah
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by a wish or something. I saw a picture of the accron. He's
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quite it's quite a thin sort of bony accent. Makes sense that they can
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build makeup on him and making look quite emaciated and shrunken down, whereas obviously
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when you add prosthetics to you know, an amal person, it just makes
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everything bigger. That he Man movie. Have you ever watched that? I
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watched that recently, not all of it, just put it on the one
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with Dolph London. No, I don't think I've seen that one. It's
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like eighties, Yeah, like so old and the and the skeletal guys makeups
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terrible. Oh, I think I've seen pictures of that. Yeah, they
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didn't get him so as I mean we said on the last Atlantis podcast,
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Brendan, I mean we ended it when when Maddie had written himself off the
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podcast for that episode and you said, hey, we are god, last
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four weeks been doing nothing but making dumb decisions. How is her decision making
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in this from your point of view? When she's just there just like no,
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not making the deal. No, No, nobody word her to think
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about it, and you know, going back and forth from wanting to do
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it when he was like we really want him back. I thought she was
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going to give in. I'm trying to think she was playing three D chess
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while Redeem was playing checkers. Doesn't even know. She out out moved him
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in every single way, like even at the start when they come back.
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Apart from the fact that John died, it's only because of a nice Wraith
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that he didn't. Yeah, but I just mean, like her dealings with
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Redeem, she was there was nothing she could do with Collier. There was
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no way she was ever going to win with with Collier. I just mean,
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like her interactions with Redeem. She was outmaneuvering Redeem at every moment,
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Like Redeem was pretty much like he wasn't really fighting though it was. He
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was kind of compared to the last time does he have to be here to
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the last time we saw Redeem, where he was out maneuvering everybody at every
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stage. Ye, within a plan. He was a puppy that had rolled
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over and said, please, doctor Weir, scratch my belly. I'm so
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submissive for you right now, he had nothing like I did, Like the
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moment where like right after the credits where they come back and they're like,
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oh, yeah, no, there's no sign of John. They've scrubbed off,
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I've grabbed the last fifty things and were like, well, obviously it
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was the Jeni because it was a Jeni signal, and she'd already contacted the
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Jani and said wait, readem, came me the boy and he's you know,
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come through the gate, and and even Roddy was like, oh whoa,
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you know, I liked all that kind of stuff. There was that
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moment where it must have been the second time that Colia called and yeah,
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they're watching him getting fed on for a second time. They're like, okay,
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well we all were running. We haven't got any information on how to
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find him. He's like, have you thought about it? Yeah? I
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thought about it. What are you gonna do? You're gonna hand him over
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and then redeem Sanding. The next we are and she's got this weird look
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in the face, and my whole say yes, I'm again, yes,
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what what? But then she's like it would have been a good plot twist,
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yeah, but you immediately have to follow it. Up with him be
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getting sent through the gates, but the second she hands over a deem,
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he's killing shepherd anyway. Yeah, but the thing is no way that she
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was ever gonna get John back. She might have been able to go down
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that road, if not, just to get a lead on where he is,
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you know, like, oh, yeah, I'll hand him over.
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Where do you want me to drop him? And then you send a couple
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of jumpers cloak jumpers, and those people have interrogate them where are you?
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Because I did love that moment at the end, like ride it right at
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the end, after he's been rescued and he's knocked out the wraith and then
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he brings he wakes him up and they're on a completely different planet and you
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can hear the darts in the background, and they're standing so far away from
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the open starget and I'm like, John, what the are you doing?
24:59
Were you standing here with this wraith who you're you know, you're giving the
25:00
second chance but could literally kill you right now. But before you get back
25:03
to the gate, and you know, dart flows over and John just like
25:07
steps into the jumper, disappears and the race just like yeah turns around,
25:15
Yeah, yeah, the exact same because it was like that wide shot,
25:21
so both of them are in the frame and I was looking at the Wraith
25:23
looking you know, he turned around, so my focus was on him,
25:26
and then obviously, you know, corner of my eye, I see John
25:30
move and then all of a sudden he's disappeared. I'm like, oh,
25:32
ah, Ship, this is amazing. I was wondering if you would have
25:36
been doing something else like folding washing us while you're watching that episode, might
25:38
have missed that. Yeah, no, radio, So I I love that
25:47
moment, and yeah, I think I think you're right. Like if if
25:52
we lived in a universe where people on atlant has actually flew through the gate
25:56
while the jumper was cloaked, absolutely could have set up a sting so get
26:00
Collier. But because they never like it cloaked, it would have given because
26:07
you know, Collier would have had spies everywhere, like he already knew that
26:11
Redeem had gone to Atlanta's, which again could have been a bluff on Redeems
26:15
part, Sorry on Collier's part, but yeah, you know that because where
26:21
dumbasses we're gonna fly through the gate? Do they do it? Audience?
26:25
Like the people that don't watch every week. Do they do that effect of
26:30
the puddle jumper coming through the gate then cloaking as a one shot for the
26:36
people I don't normally watch Atlantis. I mean it does look cool. It
26:40
would look much cooler than just hearing the sound and watching the gate ripple a
26:45
little bit or something like that. But sometimes with the cloak, like depending
26:48
on the CGI, like you can still see the ship for the viewers purposes,
26:53
you can see the outline. So it's like they could do something like
26:57
that. Yeah, that's true, but they just they never do so.
27:00
But yeah, in a world where we're allowed to, you know, fly
27:03
through the stargate with a cloak jumper, we absolutely could have set up a
27:08
handoff and completely owned Collier because they can because yeah, remember they was talking
27:15
about they have to remember they had the shield that time for the jumper.
27:21
They changed the cloak to a shield and then they couldn't go through the gate
27:23
with the with the shield up, yeah or something. Well, yeah,
27:27
because the shield bubble makes it. Oh, there's a good point. The
27:30
shield bubble is larger than the opening of the gate, like the shield bubble
27:36
around yeah, so maybe, yeah, the cloak bubble around it is to
27:41
be and it creates an issue or something. I don't know. Yeah,
27:45
but yeah, because didn't we didn't. Isn't that how we you could use
27:48
it? Did JNI? The first time back in Underground the Jumpers cloaked decloaked
27:55
at the end, we were like, ah, it sucks to be you
27:56
guys. So I guess it would be a reuse of that of that idea,
28:00
but I mean they used it at the end with John jumping into the
28:03
cloaked anyway, I'm glad it worked. It was kind of like, yeah,
28:08
abyss in the way that like, there's no way John's getting out the
28:11
same way. Jack couldn't escape for a while. He had to get Daniel's
28:15
help. He had to get John. I had to get a Raiths help,
28:19
which was extremely unlikely. Yeah, but yeah, I liked I like
28:23
this episode. I don't like that it's the Jeni again, annoying. It's
28:29
like the trust becomes too Yeah, kind of like kind of in my brain
28:33
sometimes separate Colier from the Jeni. So if you think about it, well,
28:37
he is Ronan didn't know who Colia was because we haven't seen Storm oh
28:42
sorry since the Brotherhood at the end of season one. So it has been
28:47
a while since we've seen Colier, but yeah, we've obviously had a fair
28:48
Future I episode since then, so and I guess you've got a lot of
28:52
redeemed stuff. Yeah, because there was the storm in the Eye when we're
28:55
first introduced to Colia, and then after before I Sleep, there's that Brotherhood
29:00
episode where they're they're in that pit round. That was the last time we
29:04
saw Collier. The other thing is like when before we were talking about we're
29:11
invited redemption back through the gate, it was as McKay and Ronan and that
29:17
got back. Then the stargate opened again. The shield is closed, yeah,
29:23
and then she's like, yeah, it's redeemed, Okay, lower the
29:29
shield and then exactly the same time then they walked through. I'm like,
29:32
what if you were like half a second. They do that so often in
29:36
the pre credits, when McKay is like dialing up Atlantis and then as it
29:41
opens up, he's already running. He's like, I'm sitting about I'm like,
29:45
dude, if someone's like Chuck has to be on said he's in the
29:48
gym donut, He's like, I'll get it in a second. Boom.
29:55
Rodney McCay it wouldn't even be a book because it's the the IRIS is at
30:00
least metallity to it. You'd probably see matter just like yeah, maybe a
30:04
read miss maybe just there is there is one thing that buys that back,
30:08
and it's maybe in one episode of s G one where you actually have to
30:12
wait for a return signal, like you send your code and then you get
30:18
a return code, you get a return message from the SGC saying it's safe
30:22
to proceed, because there was that one episode where they say, oh,
30:26
send a hold signal or something like that. So you would assume like they've
30:30
given that's with their old school I dcs from season one too, yeah,
30:34
which you never see, never see. So yeah, I'm assuming that they've
30:38
given Redeem not just a code but a device for him to transmit the code
30:45
on one of our frequencies. And then yeah, obviously once they lower the
30:48
shield, then they give him the the okay to proceed. But it does
30:52
happen very very quickly. It's so close. It was so close on that
30:55
one, and it happens in SG one when the IRIS takes like seven seconds
30:59
to open. Yeah, and then they could have cut their legs off.
31:03
There's also a show where in the early seasons they were like in where they
31:07
say we're receiving the I d C. Before the stargates he activated. So
31:11
yeah, yeah, I was thinking that during the shield one where they're standing
31:15
there and you can see it lighting up and I'm like, oh, okay,
31:19
Roddy looks way too close. Yeah, and then when he moves out
31:23
of the way, and I thought, okay, we're probably there's probably you
31:26
know, some line of tiles or something on the round where she knows that
31:30
she stands there, then she's safe from the wormhole, but she's still looks
31:33
pretty clear. I'll got a better trust her. And then we're just like
31:36
it just goes on and I'm like, oh, what the hell, Like
31:37
I just thought of what are they just are they messing now with how this
31:41
one? Oh not? It's a shield off? Yeah yeah, but no,
31:45
you're right, I believe because a series of like disappointment and like happiness,
31:49
because that's that stargate actually folds down into the set, like it actually
31:55
like drops down because like the episode a couple of weeks ago with Richard Kind
32:00
where like they're in the cafeteria and he's telling stories, that's that spot they're
32:04
in. They're in the gate rium there. They just redress it. So
32:07
if you look down on the ground, there is actually like almost like a
32:09
line of tile for lack of a better word, that is the same dimensions
32:14
as the gate, because those are the ones that lift up. That stargate
32:17
can fold down. So I feel like you're in world. You could probably
32:21
safely go. Well, as long as you're standing outside, they would have
32:23
a yellow line. You're not going to get hit by a outside. Please
32:29
stand behind the yellow line before entering the stargate. That's what that's. All
32:32
of those words on the steps say what you do. Not sit on the
32:39
stairs, that's what that says. If you sit on the stairs, you
32:45
will never ascenderous there trying to work out what does that mean. No,
32:54
just you'll just die because you're climbing your consciousness to No, it's just don't
32:59
sit on the stairs. Don't be a dick. Just slippery when wet.
33:01
It's not that hard. Just put it, you know, No, say
33:05
slippery when wet again. I think I've given you. Yeah, I think
33:08
like yeah again first time up. And just the way I don't need to
33:14
ask, I don't need to even make assumptions or whatever, but just the
33:16
idea of I mean, one of the fact that these two okay, they
33:21
helped save each other, but still like the fact that the Wraith I mean,
33:25
even if he said to John, I actually didn't think that you were
33:28
going to live up to your end of the deal, and I'm like,
33:29
dude, I never believed that you would a Wraith man, like, that's
33:32
just not what you do. I liked it. There's a little bit of
33:35
development there that there is that ability. Yeah, like earlier on when they're
33:38
like with the races, like humans and the Wraith aren't so different. Yeah,
33:43
and then when he's like finding common ground gives him, gives him life,
33:46
and he's like the gift of life is only reserved for our most devout
33:51
followers or our brothers. I was like, oh shit, so like this
33:54
really just you know, it's not like the Wraith have just been one dimensional
33:58
since the first episode, but we haven't move the needle too much and what
34:00
they are and what they're capable of, and then this one just blowsed lit
34:05
off, Like I'm just like, this could be we could do anything here,
34:07
really, but yeah, it did. Unfortunately for me. I remember
34:12
during my first watch, it did kind of lessen the threat of the Wraith
34:17
that it's like it used to be. If you got fed on by the
34:20
Wraith, you're like, imagine like old mate, Colonel Haircut that was in
34:24
the siege, who's been sent back to Earth as an old bastard with his
34:30
saggy balls, Like, he's not he's he hasn't died from natural causes by
34:35
now. He's like, when do I get my hand job of life?
34:40
You know, give me my hand job of life back so that I can
34:42
get all my years back. But I guess the creepy thing they never touched
34:45
on is the fact that obviously the Wraith stole that from those other Jennie and
34:52
he had to be at full strength and like overfull to be able to then
34:54
pass that on back to John. So you really are sacrificing one life for
34:59
another in a lot of ways, which is a little They never really touch
35:01
on the that's true, the moral gray area. They were all bad.
35:10
Yeah that's yeah interesting, Yeah, I like that, But yeah he did.
35:16
That's what they've been. They've been starving him for god knows how long,
35:21
Yeah, he knows how long. Yeah, I did like that part
35:24
that we're able to go into the mind of a Wraith a little bit where
35:28
he's like we're both getting tortured, and John's like, yourself, you just
35:31
ate my life away and he's like, yeah, but that's my food and
35:37
they're just giving me like a grape every three weeks. If you were starving
35:40
and you were giving a glass of war, Like if you were walking through
35:43
the desert giving a glass of water and told you're only going to take a
35:45
sip. Yeah, yeah, that's the analogy he used too to get a
35:51
drop or something. Yeah, he's like, what, you're going to stop
35:52
there just because and like, yeah, it's kind of that. What was
35:57
the episode where we had that big talk about with OK, what's the big
36:00
bloody old mates on trial? What's the guy from the movie The Triad?
36:07
Yeah, yeah, and and they're like, hey, you guys eat cows,
36:10
right, well you need that. Well we need you for different reasons,
36:15
right, So pretends they how to tryad. Yeah, So I like
36:22
that. This is kind of this show's version of that, where it's like,
36:24
yeah, we're monsters, we're the bad guys, but like you're just
36:27
food to us, Like we need to eat, Like the fact that we
36:30
like maniacally laugh about it is kind of a little bit of a detriment to
36:37
what they could, like that there are even sentient creatures, like the fact
36:40
that they just look different to us humans that are growling all the time,
36:44
Like it seems like such a simple thing that everybody does. If you look
36:46
anything other than human, you've got to make animalistic noises. But it's like,
36:51
at the end of the day, they are what they are and to
36:53
us, to us, this is a buddy coop moment to the Wraith's Turner
36:57
and hoo. Yeah, he's like, he's like Turner and who if I'm
37:00
Chinese and eat dogs babe? Yeah yeah, yeah, no, but it
37:08
does to me, it does going forward, lessen the threat of someone being
37:13
fed on by a wraith because you're like, oh, well it could be
37:15
reversed down. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, I can definitely agree
37:17
with both, Like I like the idea of the wraith, like being able
37:22
to have different abilities and being able to ally at least maybe with the Wraith
37:27
would be cool. Yeah, but yeah, it kind of the best thing
37:30
about the Wraith was it's like they're just vampires basically, like soul sucking vampires
37:37
and that was enough. But yeah, it's it's an interesting episode because it's
37:42
like, all right, we need to know about that ability. How are
37:45
we going to tell the audience about this ability? And that was the best
37:49
way to do it with Shepherd, especially after the second time getting sucked off,
37:54
you just like do clearly they have to come up with a way to
38:00
counter this. Yeah, it's just not cool'd be cool if they did it
38:06
now and he was him now, but I guess he's aged, you know,
38:12
Yeah, yeah, Joe Flanagan now looks kind of they did well with
38:15
that makeup because like that now, Yeah, any thing I didn't like about
38:22
Shepherd is his language in this episode. I don't know. And here's darntinge
38:25
took off My life done. I'll tell you this. If Corea's men hadn't
38:30
pulled that damn thing off, he'll be dust in a flat jacket. Why
38:36
would you say dan? He's in a leather jacket, not a flat jacket.
38:40
But yeah, it's like, why would you say don and then finish
38:44
that sentence with damn? I mean you auctually don't want to say damn twice?
38:46
It makes sense in a in a literary but DN is just DN.
38:52
Is something Taylor says when she puts on her school teacher voice and she's like,
38:57
Ronind, you should not have darn done that, you know what I
39:00
mean? Like, like who says darn? It? Just it takes me
39:04
out of it because I'm just like, it's like, dang it. Nobody,
39:07
nobody who said Nobody who actually says damn says dne ye, Yeah,
39:10
you know what I mean. It's like saying oh, f Yeah. It's
39:15
like it's a religious thing, right, because you don't want to say damn
39:17
because it's rude. Yeah, And twenty six minutes into this episode, there
39:23
is a shot of Ronan with Redemption. I swear to god, it's just
39:30
blue screen. They just forgot to do it. Really, here we go,
39:36
it's just blue screen. It's really weird. I don't know if they's
39:40
supposed to be part of the set. Are they supposed to be like on
39:44
the balcony outside and they're supposed to be blue screen? Of That's that's what
39:46
I thought. What I'm go have to go back and watch that. What
39:50
is it twenty six minutes you said, yeah, I think it's it's near
39:53
the bridge near no where they're talking. Yeah, it's like in the operations
39:58
area. That looks absolutely like they just forgot to do the extension. Jesus,
40:05
it's only for one shot and the angle the shot away to see because
40:08
I'll watch it on the DVD, whereas you've been watching it on the streaming
40:10
things. It'll be a different, different version or something like that. But
40:14
you know, I didn't notice that that's incredible. What put that on socials
40:16
or something that? Yeah, that's amazing. Just sitting back watching it just
40:22
be like watching nor is this the blue screen? Yeah? Right, like
40:30
he wasn't green screen. I guess they would have picked it up. You'll
40:35
find that on that point of Atlanta's what they have in that wall that it's
40:37
like, no, man, all this ship. I thank you full of
40:44
ship. It's like, I don't work on that show. I work on
40:45
the real one. I don't work on the last thing. I just wanted
40:49
to say why at the point where Shepherd was saying goodbye to the Wraith and
40:54
he's like what about next time? I really just wanted Shepherd Shepherd to be
40:59
like, like, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. In
41:01
the moment, Oh yeah, that would be cool. Nice. What did
41:06
he say though? He said something said it was a repeat from what they'd
41:08
said earlier. All bets are off the same thing. I guess that's a
41:14
that's a similar kind of phrase. It was just would have been nice for
41:15
the original s g one heads. It is fine that, like you get
41:21
them bridge earlier, when he's like, okay, we help each other out
41:23
about dying, what's going to happen? Then he's like, all bets are
41:27
off? Next time he's each other there, okay, you're sweet, and
41:29
then he like brings him to the point of death, gives him his life
41:32
back. He then convinces even Ronan not to kill this Wraith not only rescues
41:37
stops hit this guy from dying, but takes him to a different planet.
41:43
And that's what They took him a different planet and drop him off yet and
41:46
and he think, okay, they're cool with each other. He's like,
41:49
what happens next time? He's like, oh no, I still kill you
41:51
next time, like absolute face, I got Ronan next to me. I
41:54
can't be seen being compassionate to a rape serious. He said the same thing
42:00
the Collier last was like, next time, I see I'm going to kill
42:01
you. Yeah, that is he meant that one. He didn't even he
42:06
didn't even answer right, like he just know he was running like a little
42:10
bit, like he's like what now, he's like he runs overs if he's
42:14
like Coolia, I knew you'd run your coward And yeah, that's that was
42:19
a weird shot. Toolana's version. Yeah, leaving me on red. Yeah,
42:23
you just see the the wormhole behind him and then it's like a close
42:28
shut and then he walks through. It's like, what was the point of
42:30
that? Yeah, it's strange. Here, bad shot. Take that shot.
42:35
Take it. We're wearing, we're warring, You're in trouble. Yeah,
42:38
we're coming for you, showing that in the blue screen. Well,
42:44
yeah, I think I didn't grab any of the audio from this episode,
42:50
the audio commentary, because I'm pretty sure this was the one where it had
42:52
the the old cockboy from Satita, the Robert Cooper cuck oh him and and
43:00
someone that loves Yeah, And I was just like, nah, you just
43:04
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43:20
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