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FILM REAL | Directors of 'Not Just A Goof' -- Eric Kimelton and Christopher Ninness Interview · The Recess Bell

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  Speaker 1: This production is brought to you by the Recess Bell.
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  Speaker 2: I'm here talking with Eric Kimmelton and Chris Ninnis, the
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  Speaker 2: directors of the fantastic documentary Not Just a goof Over
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  Speaker 2: on Disney Plus, which covers the making of one of
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  Speaker 2: my all time favorite movies, A Goofy Movie.
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  Speaker 3: Gentlemen, how's it going great?
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for having us on.
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  Speaker 3: I'm so excited. You know.
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  Speaker 2: I watched the documentary the other night and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to reach out to these guys. They seem
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  Speaker 2: like people that I would love to have on this program.
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  Speaker 2: So lo and behold. I reached out and now we're
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  Speaker 2: here doing it. But before we get to the documentary,
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  Speaker 2: I kind of want to find out a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about you guys. So I'm gonna do like a quick,
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  Speaker 2: rapid fire question thing and whatever comes to your mind,
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  Speaker 2: just throw it out there.
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  Speaker 3: So, if you could see.
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  Speaker 2: One band or artist, dead or alive, who would it
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  Speaker 2: be in concert? Who are you seeing?
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  Speaker 1: I'll start with you Eric, Oh man, that's so hard.
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  Speaker 1: Split between two. I would say all of the Beatles, uh,
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  Speaker 1: but alive, I would say, I'd want to see Outcast
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  Speaker 1: performed together.
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  Speaker 2: Great answer? Have you seen any of the Beatles perform, so.
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  Speaker 1: I have not.
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  Speaker 3: You better do it.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I don't want to brag, but I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Saw Paul McCartney at Dodger Stadium a few years ago
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  Speaker 4: and at the end of the show he brought out RINGO.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: He blew my mind. So but that's not my answer,
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  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, Michael Jackson.
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  Speaker 2: Another great answer, Another great answer. All right, how about
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  Speaker 2: this one last meal? You're out there, they say you
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  Speaker 2: can have one meal before you go. What do you
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  Speaker 2: What are you gonna choose?
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  Speaker 4: Betigi, My name is Fetcini.
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  Speaker 3: Perfect answer, Eric, What do you.
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  Speaker 1: Got my mom's meat loaf?
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  Speaker 3: Meat loaf?
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  Speaker 1: That's wild? Eric.
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  Speaker 2: And then final question. You guys are are relatively close
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  Speaker 2: to my age. I'm thirty six years old, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: assuming we grew up with some of the same things.
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  Speaker 2: What is I don't know if you played video games
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  Speaker 2: when you were younger, but is there a video game
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  Speaker 2: that you think is your all time favorite? You know,
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  Speaker 2: it could be something that's modern, but you know, if
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  Speaker 2: we go back nostalgia, if you want to pick something
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  Speaker 2: from the eighties or nineties, by all means.
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  Speaker 4: I mean Golden Eye, and sixty four is like between
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  Speaker 4: that and smash Bros. Like hours and hours and hours
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  Speaker 4: put into that.
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  Speaker 1: That's that's so hard. I like, I'll go different consoles.
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  Speaker 1: I'll go Mega Man.
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  Speaker 3: The first, Mega Man Yes, really over.
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  Speaker 1: Too, Mega Man two?
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  Speaker 5: Sorry, yeah yeah, Mega Man two, Resident Evil, and uh.
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  Speaker 3: Sonic Sonic can't go wrong with Sonic. All right, guys,
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  Speaker 3: that's the interview, so long.
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  Speaker 1: Listen.
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  Speaker 4: That was great.
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  Speaker 3: All right, So let's.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about this documentary not just a goof it covers.
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  Speaker 2: Like I mentioned, the making of one of my all
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  Speaker 2: time favorite movies, a Goofy movie. What drew you guys
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  Speaker 2: to make this documentary?
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  Speaker 3: Eric?
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  Speaker 2: I know a relative of yours worked on the movie
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  Speaker 2: as the director. And how did you and Chris you know,
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  Speaker 2: link up? And you know what was the genesis of
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  Speaker 2: this documentary?
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  Speaker 1: Will If we want to go all the way back,
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  Speaker 1: it's about you know, fifteen years ago, Chris and I
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  Speaker 1: were working for Kevin Lima, the director of a Goofy movie,
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  Speaker 1: on a different project. I was like a production assistant.
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  Speaker 1: Chris was an intern. That's how we met, and the
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  Speaker 1: first thing we bonded over was a Goofy movie because
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  Speaker 1: there was a big poster in Kevin's office. I think
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  Speaker 1: it was like the Japanese version, and Chris is like,
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  Speaker 1: what is that? He didn't he did not He didn't
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  Speaker 1: realize that Kevin and It had directed it. But when
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  Speaker 1: he found out, it was like kind of kind of
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  Speaker 1: shook by it. But that's how we bonded. And then
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  Speaker 1: you know, ten years later, COVID happens, and then we're like,
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  Speaker 1: Disney Plus released a documentary about Frozen two came out
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  Speaker 1: and we were like, well, what you know, we wish
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  Speaker 1: this there was something about our favorite animated movie, and
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  Speaker 1: why don't we make it? And that's what we set
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  Speaker 1: out to do.
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  Speaker 2: Was the plan always to have it associated with Disney Plus?
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  Speaker 2: Or was this ever going to be like released independently
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  Speaker 2: or did you need the blessing of Disney Plus to
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  Speaker 2: sort of make this documentary?
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  Speaker 4: So when we went to Kevin, we pitched him the idea. First,
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  Speaker 4: We said, you know, I think there's a really great
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  Speaker 4: story in here that we could tell. And Kevin said,
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  Speaker 4: we have two options. You could we could go to
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  Speaker 4: Disney and try to pitch it to them, or you
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  Speaker 4: guys could just make it on your own and see
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  Speaker 4: what happens. And our fear was if we take it
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  Speaker 4: to Disney, they might go, you know, that's a pretty
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  Speaker 4: good idea, Maybe we should just do that. Why would
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  Speaker 4: we need these two random guys, you know, with who've
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  Speaker 4: never made a feature film before, and so we were like,
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  Speaker 4: the safer bet for us is to make it ourselves
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  Speaker 4: and let's just put it on YouTube. We had no
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  Speaker 4: idea that Disney, plus that was like a dream scenario,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but our initial instinct was, well, maybe this
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  Speaker 4: will be a talking head documentary on YouTube. And to
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  Speaker 4: be fair, when we started the project, we didn't know
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  Speaker 4: Kevin had all that footage. Like, we went into this
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  Speaker 4: thinking they'll reminisce about their stories, maybe we'll do some animation,
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  Speaker 4: and it'll be mostly about the fandom. But everything changed
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  Speaker 4: when Kevin had all that footage and we realized, oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is really a movie for the fandom. This isn't
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  Speaker 4: really about the fandom anymore, although it is still a
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  Speaker 4: little bit about that in the film.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, your uncle Kevin Eric has hundreds of hours of footage.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like all on VHS tapes of the behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes of the making.
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  Speaker 3: Of the project.
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  Speaker 2: That would just overwhelm me so much knowing I have
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  Speaker 2: to go through that. I don't want to mess it
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  Speaker 2: up the transferring. I had to digitally transfer all my
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  Speaker 2: whole movies. I was worried, you know, if that was
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  Speaker 2: going to be done correctly. How overwhelming was it going
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  Speaker 2: through all this footage making sure it was done correctly,
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  Speaker 2: and then you know, just the vast amount of it,
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  Speaker 2: Like what do you choose to put in the documentary?
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  Speaker 2: There must have been so much good stuff on the
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  Speaker 2: cutting floor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, well, Chris had the task of like digitizing everything,
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  Speaker 1: and you have to do that in real time yep,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, So we it was watched all the
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  Speaker 1: way through that time, and then we started going through
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  Speaker 1: all the footage and there's literally like one hundred hours
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  Speaker 1: of stuff to go through, and we watched every second
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  Speaker 1: and just made you know, notes of where cool things
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  Speaker 1: were at, and we just started like piecing all these
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  Speaker 1: really cool aspects and stories from all the footage that
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing, and it it was kind of amazing that
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  Speaker 1: you would talk to like Kevin and Brian Mental, the
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  Speaker 1: head of story, the editor, and all these people that
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  Speaker 1: had like similar stories and then to find something on
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  Speaker 1: the tapes that like directly, you know, coroborate what they
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  Speaker 1: were saying and like there's a visual there. So like
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  Speaker 1: a good example of that is we have a scene
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  Speaker 1: in our film of Eye to Eye and there's like
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  Speaker 1: a live action reference shoot that they did, and they
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  Speaker 1: all talked about it in their interviews. But then when
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  Speaker 1: Chris and I found like the tape that said eye
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  Speaker 1: to eye live action reference, like that was like the
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  Speaker 1: holy grail and it did not disappoint when we watched it.
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  Speaker 2: That was actually my favorite scene in the movie. I
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  Speaker 2: wrote that question further down, but yeah, I mean that
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  Speaker 2: that eye to eye sequence, seeing the choreography and then
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  Speaker 2: it matches up, it was absolutely brilliant. And I'm curious,
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  Speaker 2: you know, both of you guys, this is your first
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  Speaker 2: you know movie that you guys directed. Was there pressure
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  Speaker 2: or do you think the fact that you haven't done
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  Speaker 2: anything maybe made it? You know, there was less pressure
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  Speaker 2: involved just because you were sort of rookies and you
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  Speaker 2: didn't have any expectations in the sense.
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  Speaker 4: It was definitely a sense of pressure because we're fans
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  Speaker 4: of a Goofy movie, so.
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  Speaker 1: We knew that.
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  Speaker 4: There was an expectation that if you say you're making
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  Speaker 4: a making of a Goofy movie, there are certain things
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  Speaker 4: people will want to see. There's automatically, you know, a
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  Speaker 4: notion in people's minds of well, I want to see
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  Speaker 4: Tevin Campbell in the booth and I want to see
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  Speaker 4: Bill Farmer doing his iconic lines. So it's a mixture
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  Speaker 4: of figuring out that balance of giving the fandom what
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  Speaker 4: we would all want to see, but then also I
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  Speaker 4: think the real you know, in any anxiety or nervousness
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  Speaker 4: we had, we wanted our film to stand on its
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  Speaker 4: own as well. We wanted to give you an emotional
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  Speaker 4: narrative that felt like you were getting a hug, you
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  Speaker 4: were feeling some nostalgia, and you weren't feeling alone. You
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  Speaker 4: were feeling like, yeah, I love this thing so much,
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  Speaker 4: and we wanted that to be a you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: the feeling you get when you watch a Goofy movie,
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  Speaker 4: really right, It's this emotional human story in a Goofy movie.
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  Speaker 4: That's what resonates, and it was important to us to
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  Speaker 4: tell an emotional human story about these filmmakers, these ragtag
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  Speaker 4: filmmakers who were working on their first feature film. I
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  Speaker 4: think that was where we got nervous, was like trying
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  Speaker 4: to figure out the balance of all of that.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, we're talking with Chris Ninnis and Eric Kimmelton.
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  Speaker 2: We're just talking about this fantastic documentary that these two
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  Speaker 2: gentlemen made, not just a goof which you can watch
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  Speaker 2: over on Disney Plus. If you're a fan of a
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  Speaker 2: Goofy movie, if you're a fan of documentaries about making movies,
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  Speaker 2: this is one of the absolute best. And I want
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  Speaker 2: to go to you, Eric, about your uncle who directed
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  Speaker 2: the movie A Goofy Movie. When you were a kid
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  Speaker 2: growing up with your uncle, did you realize what he
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  Speaker 2: did for a profession?
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  Speaker 1: So before A Goofy Movie, I hadn't really like realized
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  Speaker 1: that he was like the top of a movie, like
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  Speaker 1: the director. Like he he had been like a character
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  Speaker 1: designer and like uh animator, and you know, he would
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  Speaker 1: come visit and like he would draw like the characters
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  Speaker 1: from the movie from all the kids in my neighborhood
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  Speaker 1: and that was really really cool. But it wasn't until
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  Speaker 1: like I actually went to the premiere of A Goofy
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  Speaker 1: movie and one day my mom came home and was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go, you know, to your uncle's movie. Because
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  Speaker 1: they did it in Florida. And that's where I grew
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  Speaker 1: up where they had the premiere. It wasn't until I
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  Speaker 1: actually went there and like got to meet Bill Farmer,
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  Speaker 1: the voice of Goofy and like some of the other
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  Speaker 1: voice actors where I was like, oh wow, these are
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  Speaker 1: like real people that make all this and it's not
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  Speaker 1: just something that you watch and get entertained by. And
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  Speaker 1: truly it was that evening of the premiere where I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh, like, I want to I want to
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  Speaker 1: do this. I want to be able to like create
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  Speaker 1: and do all those things. And like after that it
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  Speaker 1: was like I want to be like my uncle Kevin
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  Speaker 1: and tried to follow in his footsteps.
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  Speaker 2: Was there a moment for you, Chris that stood out
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  Speaker 2: in your life when you realized I want to be
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  Speaker 2: in show business, this is what I want to do.
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  Speaker 2: Was there a movie you watched or just you know,
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  Speaker 2: an event in your life that made you want to
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  Speaker 2: follow with your profession.
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  Speaker 4: Well, movies were always an escape for me since I
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  Speaker 4: was a kid. But my parents bought me I think
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  Speaker 4: it was for Christmas, the Lego Steven Spielberg movie making set.
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  Speaker 4: I was six years old, and it came with editing
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  Speaker 4: software and like a digital camera that would connect to
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  Speaker 4: your computer, and I would spend hours on that, just
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  Speaker 4: making home movies as a kid. It's crazy to look
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  Speaker 4: back on now, but that really set me on like
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  Speaker 4: a path to becoming an editor and a filmmaker.
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  Speaker 2: And think about how easy it is today. These kids,
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  Speaker 2: they have it so easy. They could, you know, just
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  Speaker 2: pick up their phone. They got a camera with them.
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  Speaker 2: You have to do the lego editing thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, it's great now because you have cameras in
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  Speaker 4: your pocket, like really like great high def four K. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: I think there they are commercials.
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  Speaker 2: I think there was a movie that was just officially
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  Speaker 2: like fully filmed on an iPhone. It's wild the quality
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  Speaker 2: of cameras that they have right now. Yeah, let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about editing this film, because I edit a bunch of
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  Speaker 2: audio here at the radio station.
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  Speaker 3: I edit YouTube videos of my whole movie footage.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, it's a it's a random YouTube video,
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  Speaker 2: so I don't really overthink it too much. But you guys,
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  Speaker 2: this is you know, a film that's gonna stand the
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  Speaker 2: test of time, be out there as you know, documenting
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  Speaker 2: this movie that generations and generations are gonna love. So
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  Speaker 2: how many times do you watch this movie, like, from
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  Speaker 2: start to finish? Is this something you watched hundreds and
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of times making sure oh the audio synced up? Oh,
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  Speaker 2: because even going back to the Goofy movie in this documentary,
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  Speaker 2: they talk about that that animation, that that dot, I
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  Speaker 2: guess that ruined the movie. And you know, I'm assuming
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  Speaker 2: you guys must have felt that way watching the film
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  Speaker 2: making sure everything's perfect, the lighting's good, all that. So
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  Speaker 2: how many times you think you watched it in? How
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  Speaker 2: many hours do you put into this project?
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  Speaker 1: Is it uncountable? At this point, it's They're like, there
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  Speaker 1: are a thousands of hours like working on it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's it's. It was always done before
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  Speaker 4: and after work and on weekends. You know, Eric and
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  Speaker 4: I have day jobs in the film industry, and so
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  Speaker 4: it filled up all of our spare time. It's it's
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  Speaker 4: impossible to know how many times we've watched our own movie,
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  Speaker 4: or a Goofy movie for that matter. But yeah, it's it's, it's, it's.
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  Speaker 4: It feels like it was endless. But the process of
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  Speaker 4: editing the film over and over again, when you have
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  Speaker 4: people giving you notes and ideas and thoughts like Kevin
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  Speaker 4: or Don Han. It only helps the movie. I think
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  Speaker 4: the first cut of our film was just under two hours,
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  Speaker 4: and now it's an hour twenty six. So we really
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  Speaker 4: did shave it down to the film the best version
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  Speaker 4: of the film. I think that we could. But so
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  Speaker 4: much of the so much of the filmmaking process was
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  Speaker 4: relying on friends who were just as in love with
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  Speaker 4: a goofy movie as we are, and I don't think
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  Speaker 4: our film would have ever gotten done without them. You know,
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  Speaker 4: our score, our composer Cameron Chambers, he did the whole score.
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  Speaker 4: It's like eighty something minutes of music, basically for free.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, well, you mentioned the original cup being two hours,
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  Speaker 2: and you have all this footage, the hundreds of hours
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  Speaker 2: of you know, behind the scenes footage. Is there any
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  Speaker 2: plan on releasing that footage? You know, some of it
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  Speaker 2: maybe on YouTube? You know, that's what's unfortunate with today's
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  Speaker 2: day and age. There's no physical media release, so you know,
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  Speaker 2: odds of an extended cut of this coming out probably slim.
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  Speaker 2: But is there any chance that fans could see some
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  Speaker 2: of this behind the scene footage, you know, raw and unedited?
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  Speaker 1: Ask did you know? I would say? Have people ask
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  Speaker 1: Disney because they cause, I mean, they essentially own it all,
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  Speaker 1: and you know, I don't think we could just release
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  Speaker 1: it on our own without their approval. But there are
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  Speaker 1: full scenes, like Chris has a favorite scene that we
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  Speaker 1: whittled down to like ten seconds in our film, but
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  Speaker 1: there was a whole like other song that was like
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  Speaker 1: fully boarded and everything.
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  Speaker 4: Chris, I thought so hard to get that in the movie.
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  Speaker 4: It's like a four and a half minute song. There's
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of it in the film. It's called
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  Speaker 4: bad Bad Boy. Yeah, but it's crazy. There's a there's
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  Speaker 4: a where there's an alien xenomorph in it. Like it
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  Speaker 4: is so mind blowing, and I thought so hard. In
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  Speaker 4: every single person on our film was like, dude, this
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  Speaker 4: is long, Like you gotta like this is it's distracting,
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  Speaker 4: It's doesn't tell our story. And they were right. But
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  Speaker 4: I think Kevin at one point we showed it to
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  Speaker 4: Kevin and he looked at us and he just said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we cut this for a reason, Chris, you
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  Speaker 4: gotta get rid of it.
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  Speaker 3: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking with Eric Kimilton and Chris Nennis, who directed
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  Speaker 2: the Fantastic Movie Not just a goof over on Disney. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: if you're someone my age, or you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: just grew up loving the history of Disney and the
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  Speaker 2: making of movies, there's so many great movies about making movies.
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  Speaker 2: A few years ago, I watched one about RoboCop. It
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  Speaker 2: was called robodoc and it's like really hit depth. It's
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  Speaker 2: like four hours breaking down each scene and then that's
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  Speaker 2: just part one of it, and then they're gonna do
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  Speaker 2: the sequel. So I love these sort of behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes footage that you get to see years later. It's
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  Speaker 2: very rare with animated stuff because you know, what are
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  Speaker 2: you going to film? And I guess you know, somebody
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  Speaker 2: had the right idea to actually film the behind the
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: scenes of this animated movie. There had to have been
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: some funny stuff that you left out, like you know,
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: whether it's curses or mess ups or outtakes that you
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: guys definitely have some good stuff that's hidden.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's we have a little bit of it
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: in our documentary. There's like this little hand puppet goofy
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: or like this Goofy hat, and there's definitely you see
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: that pop up in just like normal meetings, like where
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: people are wearing this like Goofy hat and they're going
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: a little delusional because they're all working like twelve hours
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: a day, seven days a week, and you just see
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: these like little pranky type type things.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: There's also a great moment with Bill Farmer that didn't
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: make our film because of licensing. But he sings you know,
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: if you remember in a Goofy movie, he's singing to
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: the radio and Max keeps changing it to like the
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: rock and.
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: Roll yeah, the high hopes.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So he actually sang that all the way through
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: in the Goofy place, and we had footage of it
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: and it was in the movie for a while, but
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: then the costs of the licensing the song, it just
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: kind of made it impossible.
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: But Disney paid for that.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so good.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's amazing.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: How was Disney to work with because I mean, you
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: guys got into it as far as you know some
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: of the behind the scenes drama with Jeffrey Katzenberg. Was
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: there anything that they pushed back like, you know, don't
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: talk about this or were they pretty easy to work with?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, they've been great to work with, and that's
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: dead honest. Like, we we have received zero creative notes
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: on our film from from Disney. The only stuff, the
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: only things that we had to really deal with, like notewise,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: were like more legal things like you know, the cap
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: of something. But there wasn't a like you have to
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: take this out. You talking about Jeffrey is like a
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: no go. We were we were worried about that when
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we went to them, but they never said anything about it.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: I had to google how tall is Jeffrey Katzenberg after
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: cause you guys made them pretty tiny. You animated a
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: lot of the scenes, so I was curious what a
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: size was. But that was another great added element, you know,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: for your story that you told you know, maybe some
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: things weren't documented, so you created animation, which was great.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Who did you get to animate that stuff?
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: It was a studio in Colombia called Venturia Animation, and
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: we we were looking around. We always knew we wanted
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: animation in our film, and we were looking around to
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: see who would be the best fit to work with us.
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: They not only loved Disney and they totally got what
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: we wanted to do immediately, but they're the ones who
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: came up with the idea of setting it in the
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: dog verse, like the Goofy universe. And as soon as
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: we heard that, our brains exploded and we were like,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: oh my god, that's such a genius. Of course they
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: should look like the goofy movie characters. And you know,
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: it was actually funny about the Jeffrey Katzenberg character we had.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: We were just showing a very early cut of our documentary.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: There was no animation in it yet. To Kevin and
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: his wife Brenda Chapman, who directed Brave and Prince of Egypt,
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: she actually hasn't an oscar. She's a total badass. Anyways,
• 20:30
  Speaker 4: she we were we were showing them the early cut
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: of the film, and the character lineup from the animation
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: studio came in, and Katzenberg was as tall as everybody else,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: and she was the one that said, you know, you
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: gotta make him and did anyone down a little bit?
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: And she goes shorter, got shorter, and she pulled out
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: this wonderful book from her time at Walter's the animation
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: where all the animators were drawing charricatures of Jeffrey Katzenberg
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: that small, and so it felt like a really honest
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: if both like within the behind the scenes limit but
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: also like what animators were doing with Jeffrey Kassilberg back
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: in that time at the nineties, during the Renaissance. So
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: it just felt like a very accurate, honest way to
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: kind of hooke fun at to be honest, a very
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: complicated character. He's both an antagonist and a hero of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: a goofy movie.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the champions from what you find out,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the guy who was really pushing for the project. But
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: you know, Disney has talked about him in previous documentaries.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it was interesting that you guys cover that topic.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But it had to be covered because he got let
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: go while this movie was about to be released. So
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: interesting stuff there. One of my favorite scenes. And I
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: love animation. I'm a big animation buff, especially two D animation,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: and unfortunately we're not really getting that this day and age.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: At least you know Theatrically, you got to see some
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: footage of Frank Welker, who I think is probably right
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: behind mel Blanc as the greatest voice actor of all time.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: I would pay money just to watch him make those
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: sounds as Bigfoot, unbelievable stuff.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: There's a whole tape that there's a whole tape of
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: like Frank in the booth. Yeah, just do it, like
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: doing take after take of like all those bigfoot sounds,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: and like it's like what we have in our film.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: It's like, how is that even humanly possible that he's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: doing that.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: It's I watched the documentary on the making of the
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Ghostbusters show because he was on the real Ghostbusters and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: he did a character that he was like, I have
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: twelve voices with this character all at once, and he's
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: just doing it all at the same time, so he
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: like is not human.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's human.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: And his voice is like still to this day amazing
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: and he's, you know, almost eighty years old at this point.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: It's fantastic. Do you guys have a favorite scene from
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: the movie? I mentioned my eye to eye sequence, how
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I loved that choreography and it matched up and you
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: guys edited that so brilliantly.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Is there one standout moment?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Oh, Chris, you get pretty you know, personal with your
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: story in the in this documentary. Is that one that
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: stands out? Is your favorite scene in the documentary?
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: You know what, that's the hardest scene for me to
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: watch in the whole film. It makes me incredibly uncomfortable.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: I it was I wasn't even actually in the film.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Originally it was Kevin's idea. He said, you know, I
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: think you need to really consider putting yourselves into the film,
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: because he knew my story and my connection, and so
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: that is a Kevin Lima note putting myself in the film.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: But but for me, my favorite, my favorite part of
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the movie is probably from right after my story to
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: the end, where you really see these filmmakers understand, like
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: reflecting on their journey. That to me is just it
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: feels so emotional and so and so heartwarming. It really
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: like helps me just believe in the in the power
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: of just determination and and will and hope. That or
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: the high Dad soup scene in the documentary is one
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: of my favorites. It feels like a masterclass, like you're
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: watching Kevin just really open himself up and put himself
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: into the animation, which is great.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Eric, did you have a favorite scene in the film,
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: not just a goof over on Disney Plus which these
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: two gentlemen directing. What's your favorite scene in this movie?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Eric, Yeah, I would actually say the high Dad soup
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: scene because it's like, you don't I don't think we've
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: really seen like a lot of animation directing, like like
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a breakdown a scene like that, So so I find
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: that very interesting. It's like one of the most pivotal
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: scenes in a Goofy movie where you know, Max and
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Goofy are really connecting for the first time in the film,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: and we we learn Kevin had some fun other issues
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: growing up and you could see him working through that
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: in that scene in our film, which I think is
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: you know, pretty powerful and.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: In the movie A Goofy movie is such a powerful movie.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: My father passed away when I was thirteen years old,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: and you know, watching this movie as I get older,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it becomes emotional for sure, even though even before my
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: father passed away, it is definitely an emotional scene.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: I've talked to a lot of people that grew up.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: In single parent households basically talking about how that movie
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: helped them help them heal a bit and help them
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: sort of get together with with, you know, maybe a
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: past relationship that wasn't working out. It's a powerful movie,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: and your Guys documentary really does a great job of,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: you know, portraying that and telling how important this movie
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: is to so many people.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Is is.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Have you talked to anyone at Disney about this property,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: the Goofy property, because I feel like this is something
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: that so many people would love to see a continuation
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: of this story.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: Uh would do you think there's any plans or or
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: was there.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Anything that you guys would want to do with these
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: characters because they're so interesting. They made the sequel, which
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: you guys didn't cover, but because I'm guessing you know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Kevin didn't direct it, so there was there was nothing,
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: not as much of a story. There probably not as
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: much behind the scenes footage. Is there something that you
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: would want to be done with this franchise? And you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: think it ever will happen?
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: One thousand percent. We would love for something to happen.
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of interest from the people
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: who you know, like I think Bill and Jason would
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: totally come back and do more. And I think, you know,
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: we tease something in the post credits of our documentary.
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you were if you stayed through
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: the credit I didn't.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: There's a post credits, Yeah.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Pull the marvel On a documentary, Evan talks about how
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: he has been thinking a lot about doing a power
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: Line documentary that'd be amazing and that to me, like, yes,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: like a thousand percent, Like, let Kevin make a power
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: line documentary. That's what I would love to see, honestly.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like a VH one Behind the Music sort.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: Of thing animated, too D animated, and.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: That'd be fantastic. I love two D animation. As I mentioned,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: why do you think studios have gone away from that?
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: Is it? Do you think kids think it looks too
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: old fashioned? Is it a cost issue?
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Because I mean I saw the new Looney Tunes movie
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: in theaters a few weeks ago, and I thought it
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: was fantastic. Nobody went to go see it, though, That's
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that's an issue.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: I think part of it is cost. It is really expensive,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: especially like hand drawn animation, because yeah, filming our documentary,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: like we saw Kevin like just doing little doodles of
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: like Goofy and doing it, you know, frame by frame
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: on sheets of paper and then you flip through and
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: see it. It's like there's a lot of people that
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: go into like hand crafting that, and I'm sure that's
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: why Jeffrey Katzenberg was like, looking, is there a cheaper
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: way to do that? And that's how like a Goofy
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: movie happened. So I think costs is a is a
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: big barrier. And if even the two D animated shows
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you see now like the animation isn't as fluid, it's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: like more blocky and like there's not as many like keyframes.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I would say costs is a big one.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: And then tastes change, you know, generation to generation. It
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: seems like a lot of the animation now kind of
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: is looking like this, you know, into the Spider Verse
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: like that sort of you know feel.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just released a trailer for a new Predator
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: movie over on Hulu and it's that same style and
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it's cool, but you know, I would have, you know,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: preferred actually a live action version. I would hate for
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: them to make a live action Goofy movie. I hope
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: that doesn't happen.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw they did on the
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: thirtieth anniversary, the same day our doc came out on Monday,
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: they released like a little clip of Bill and Jason. Yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I saw that the live action version, you know, kind
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: of it was kind of like a carpool karaoke a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: little bit, but with real life Goofy and Max.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were saying an eye to eye. It was
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: it was fantastic. Now, you guys, you know, as I mentioned,
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: this is your first documentary. Is there a movie or
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: a subject matter that you would want to cover next
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: or do you guys have anything planned moving forward?
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: We're always looking for the next story. We have a
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: story that we're just gearing up to start to work on.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: It's very different, but it's going to be a documentary
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: shot in northern Uganda, Africa. Totally different kinds of very different.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: But there are other there are other, you know, stories
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: that I think are worth telling. We love, we love
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: other opportunities to maybe dive back into other Disney properties,
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: any anything, and everything's on the table, I suppose, but
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you know, there was we talked about, you know, maybe
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: possibly something with Hook, which which is another favorite. So
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: who knows, anything's possible.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that Hook is again if you're my age, that's
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: just one of those quintessential early nineties movies. And honestly,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't realize that it wasn't loved by the critics
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: because you go on the row Tomato score, it was
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: like panned, pun intended.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think. I don't even think. Steven Spielberg
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: talks not much about the film. I think either just
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: kind of move on from it. But I love Hook.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just like it's one of those films
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: that I grew up with and Robin Williams and Dustin
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Hoffman can do no wrong. I think Dessint Hoffman is
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: like the best Captain Hook ever. And of course, who
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: didn't want to be Rufio? I mean, that's what I'm saying.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I heard a rumor, I don't know if this is true,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: that Michael Jackson wanted to be Peter Pan and then
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Steven Spielberg told him no and then he bought like
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: voodoo dolls and put a curse on him.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: If you guys have never heard that.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: I heard that. That's pretty funny though.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look that up. Yeah, it's funny stuff. So what
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: are you guys doing with this documentary? Are you are
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: you taking it on the road? Is there is there
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: anything else planned for this or is it just you know,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: watch it on Disney Plus.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: Well right now it's on Disney Plus in the US,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: and so we're trying to get it out there internationally.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: But I I've I think there's gonna be multiple celebrations
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: this year for a Goofy movie, and hopefully we can,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: we can tie in with that a little bit. But yeah,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: we're just happy to celebrate a Goofy movie thirty years later.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: And you guys do a fantastic job with the documentary,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: not just a goof gentlemen. Thank you so much for
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: your time. Is there anything else you want to plug?
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: You guys are both on social media. I guess you
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: guys got the Twitter and Instagram you want to throw
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: out there.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, for the film, it's at Goofy doc Film and
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: are my personal for me is at Chris Ninnies and.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: And for me is make Believe Eric Excellent.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. I really
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: Thanks for having us.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Thank thank you.