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Speaker 1: You're listenings kf I AM six forty the bill handles
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Speaker 1: show on demand on the iHeartRadio F Well, it is
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Speaker 1: a Thursday morning, December the eighth, and before we get
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Speaker 1: to Joel real quickly some of the stories we're looking at,
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Speaker 1: of course, the shooting yesterday in Minneapolis, and they'll be
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Speaker 1: being talked about for the rest of the day. Also,
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Speaker 1: the United States boarded yet another tanker, confiscated another tanker
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Speaker 1: in the part of the shadow fleet coming out of
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Speaker 1: Venezuela that has the oil. I didn't know this, but
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Speaker 1: of those three, do you have any idea how many
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Speaker 1: shadow tankers are out there? These are tankers that obviously
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Speaker 1: they onload oil and millions of barrels a couple million
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Speaker 1: barrels at a time or a million barrels at a time,
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Speaker 1: and then they're sold to Russia and China, and Russia
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Speaker 1: then has its own How many do you think there are, Joel?
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Speaker 1: If you had to guess how many of these shadow tankers,
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Speaker 1: illegal tankers, sanctioned oil that hide everything they can, how many?
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Speaker 2: How many would you guess?
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Speaker 3: Thirty two?
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Speaker 1: One thousand? No, Yeah, according to the Wall Street Journal,
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Speaker 1: a thousand.
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Speaker 3: That's hard.
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Speaker 2: I know, stunning, stunning, isn't it? Okay? Joel large guard
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Speaker 2: how to.
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Speaker 1: Money every Sunday twelve to two pm right here on KFI.
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Speaker 2: How to Money Joel.
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Speaker 1: He that's his social address at how to Money Joel
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Speaker 1: and the website howdomoney dot com. All right, Joel, we
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Speaker 1: have a lot going on to talk about. One of
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Speaker 1: them is where President Trump and Gavin Newsom agree with
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Speaker 1: each other. It's the only thing I think they agree with,
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Speaker 1: and that's banning large investors from buying single family homes.
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Speaker 1: And yesterday I was talking to Lindsey and we were
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Speaker 1: talking talking about investors buying up properties land in the
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Speaker 1: Pacific Palisades and I'm going to be flipping it.
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Speaker 2: That really hurts affordability. So what's going on with that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: So, I mean this is one of those things that
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Speaker 3: in the aftermath of the Great Recession and the housing crash,
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Speaker 3: we started to see more Wall Street corporatized buying of
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Speaker 3: single family homes, not just oneing of like apartment complexes,
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Speaker 3: but buying up single family home stock, specifically in some
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Speaker 3: cities in particular, like you're talking about Atlanta, Philadelphia, Tampa
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Speaker 3: being like some of those markets and it's just I've
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Speaker 3: hobviously done incredibly well from a return perspective because you've
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Speaker 3: seen what's happened with housing over the past twelve to
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Speaker 3: fifteen years. But then you look at the ripple effects,
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Speaker 3: and some people say it's not that big of a deal.
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Speaker 3: Corporate ownership with single family homes is like four percent
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Speaker 3: of the overall housing stock, but in some markets in particular,
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Speaker 3: it has, especially in the starter home space, it's really
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Speaker 3: depleted that supply and it's part of what's made it
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Speaker 3: more expensive and much harder for young people to get
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Speaker 3: into a starter room to buy their first place.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not talking about flipping properties that these companies
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Speaker 1: are engaged in. We're talking about buying these homes and
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Speaker 1: then renting them out.
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Speaker 2: Do I have that right?
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Speaker 3: That's right, And there's obviously problems with any landlord from
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Speaker 3: time to time. Right, Not every landlord is perfect, even
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Speaker 3: if you're with a mom and pop landlord. Sometimes they're awesome.
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Speaker 3: There's some really great mom and pop landlords out there
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Speaker 3: who treat their tenants well, and then there are others
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Speaker 3: who just don't do a good job, right, who don't
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Speaker 3: we're not very responsive, don't keep their properties up. When
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Speaker 3: you look though at some of the big corporate Wall
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Speaker 3: Street type landlords, there are a lot of complaints against
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Speaker 3: some of them. There's Invitation Homes in particular is one
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Speaker 3: of the biggest ones, and it has just had copious complaints.
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Speaker 3: And so when you look at like, what's the impact
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Speaker 3: of this going to be one, how's this going to
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Speaker 3: come about? Is this going to be some sort of
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Speaker 3: active congress, which is what it seems like it would
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Speaker 3: have to be because right now this is again like
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Speaker 3: sort of a dictate via social media. But if this
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Speaker 3: comes to pass and Wall Street landlords are forced to
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Speaker 3: liquidate some of that supply or to at least stop
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Speaker 3: sucking up more of it, it's at least a being
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Speaker 3: it's a dent into housing affordability. I think it is
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Speaker 3: a positive step at least from a consumer standpoint.
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Speaker 1: And we'll see the possibility of federal law because a
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Speaker 1: lot of these are companies that buy in various states,
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Speaker 1: not just a single state. And then local California law
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Speaker 1: that's I'm going to I guess pick up the rest.
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Speaker 1: So kind of interesting that both of them, by the way,
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Speaker 1: just real quickly aside story is I'm one of those
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Speaker 1: landlords that I was a great, great landlord, which is
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Speaker 1: why I got rid of the duplexes I had, and
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Speaker 1: the duplex I bought. I had two of them when
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Speaker 1: I lived in. One I rented was built in nineteen
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Speaker 1: twenty seven and tenants had destroyed it. Basically, I went
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Speaker 1: and bought it, and it went crazy to bring it
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Speaker 1: back to what it was, so it looked like it
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Speaker 1: was brand new. You're walking in the door in nineteen
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Speaker 1: twenty seven, And I spent a fortune and I treated
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Speaker 1: our tenants that way, and it was so expensive and
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Speaker 1: so obnoxious.
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Speaker 2: I just bailed. I couldn't take it anymore.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the landmarding is not for the faint of part
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Speaker 3: and some people assume that landlords just all make money
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Speaker 3: handover fists, and the truth is, for most mom and
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Speaker 3: pop landlords, it is a part of a long term
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Speaker 3: well building strategy. It's not like they're getting rich overnight.
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Speaker 3: And it's a highly risky endeavor, and especially in the
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Speaker 3: market right now, like if you bought a house recently.
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Speaker 3: Talking about this all the time, with how the money listeners,
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Speaker 3: it's like it's really hard to make it as a
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Speaker 3: new landlord right now. Given kind of the macroeconomic state
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Speaker 3: of things.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really difficult.
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Speaker 1: And I certainly wasn't making any money at it because
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Speaker 1: I kept it up and you know, I gave the
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Speaker 1: tenant here's a phone number of a plumber if anything happens,
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Speaker 1: here's no electrician.
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Speaker 2: And frankly they were taking way too much advantage of that.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so so much for the Trump allied with Gavin Newsom.
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Speaker 2: Go figure that one out.
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Speaker 1: So Joel LA and rent controls, let's talk about that.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fun times. This is just one of those
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Speaker 3: things where I understand the impulse right to say rents
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Speaker 3: are really high, how are we going to protect renters
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Speaker 3: out there? And so often the political impulse is to
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Speaker 3: say we're going to cap rent increases, and so that's
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Speaker 3: there's been this update essentially to rent control and how
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Speaker 3: much many apartments in the LA area are allowed to
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Speaker 3: raise rents in a given year. And so now instead
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Speaker 3: of something like three to eight percent being decapping the
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Speaker 3: most that landlords can get every single year, now it's
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Speaker 3: down like between one and four percent, depends on kind
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Speaker 3: of what's happening with inflation. And this is one of
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Speaker 3: the things I mean, when you survey economists who of
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Speaker 3: all different stripes. Rent control is never a popular thing
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Speaker 3: with economists, and it's because of the long term impacts
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Speaker 3: typically that rent control has, Like it has these beautiful
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Speaker 3: short term gains for renters, but over time it disincentivizes
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Speaker 3: landlords from keeping up with their properties. It disincentivizes building.
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Speaker 3: And let's be honest, like, at the heart of the
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Speaker 3: problem around a lot of the country and specifically in
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Speaker 3: Los Angeles, at the heart of the problem is that
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Speaker 3: we just don't have enough units and we need to
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Speaker 3: be better at incentivizing building. That's going to help bring
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Speaker 3: costs down truly over time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, with the lack of housing, and that seems to
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Speaker 1: be the biggest, biggest issue is there just ain't enough.
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Speaker 1: And when you don't have enough of anything, obviously it
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Speaker 1: gets more expensive. And so that becomes a problem of
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Speaker 1: its own making that if the government doesn't allow, doesn't push,
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Speaker 1: doesn't give money, doesn't give grants, doesn't give loans to
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Speaker 1: and then laws to help builders, of course, it's going
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Speaker 1: to get insanely expensive.
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Speaker 2: And so go ahead.
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you can look at the history of
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Speaker 3: what happens in places, in cities that enact stuff like this,
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Speaker 3: Like Saint Paul, Minnesota is one of those places that
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Speaker 3: had incredibly restrictive rank control laws and it just it
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Speaker 3: just disincentivized new construction. And you see what happens like
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Speaker 3: in a city next door where they don't have the
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Speaker 3: same rank control laws and there's just not the same
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Speaker 3: There is more new housing being built. And then those
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Speaker 3: cities often go back and they end up loosing some
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Speaker 3: of those rank control offs because they realized that the
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Speaker 3: short term benefit, the short term political benefit, doesn't worth
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Speaker 3: the long term costs.
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Speaker 2: Now you're looking at the other side.
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Speaker 1: You're right on a capitalism system, return of investment building, right,
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Speaker 1: that's a negative. And then you have renters that simply
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Speaker 1: can't afford to rent. They can't come here southern California.
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Speaker 1: They have to move someplace else, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: is not the end of the world for a lot
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Speaker 1: of us who live here because there's too many people anyway.
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Speaker 2: But you know, it's a problem either way.
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Speaker 1: That is, it seems almost insurmountable, and it's a question
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Speaker 1: of just choosing either a bad situation or a worse situation.
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Speaker 1: There doesn't seem to be a win on this one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of trick
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Speaker 3: to that. There was like literally an article this week
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Speaker 3: in the Watter Journal about how people are choosing to
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Speaker 3: move to the Midwest because they can actually port a
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Speaker 3: home there, and so, yeah, I would love to see
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Speaker 3: in some of the most desirable places to live, Los
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Speaker 3: Angeles being one of those, New York City being another.
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Speaker 3: Wouldn't it just be nice to see housing policy keep
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Speaker 3: up with people's desires to live in a place, so that,
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Speaker 3: of course, in a place like Los Angeles, it makes
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Speaker 3: sense the rents are going to be higher than they
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Speaker 3: are in random place in Iowa, right, I mean, it
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Speaker 3: just makes sense. There's an attractive it's an attractive place
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Speaker 3: to live, there's access to high paying jobs, really really
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Speaker 3: great jobs, it's a great quality of life. So in
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Speaker 3: some ways it just makes sense it's going to cost
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Speaker 3: more to live there. But there's also I think a
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Speaker 3: lot that can be done, especially on the supply side,
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Speaker 3: on the loosening allowing making it easier right to build
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Speaker 3: some of those new units, just creating more places for
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Speaker 3: people to live and not making it just this incredibly
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Speaker 3: painful process that could at least reduce some of the
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Speaker 3: rent friction and pricing out that a lot of people feel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, many many of us live on the four or
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Speaker 1: five freeway twenty four hours a day just to get
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Speaker 1: on the freeway. All right, one last one, and this
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Speaker 1: is wage guard garnishment. This is the government coming down,
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Speaker 1: the Trump administration coming down and saying, hey, guys, you
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Speaker 1: borrowed the money.
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Speaker 2: We want it back, and if you.
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Speaker 1: Can't pay it back, we're going to garnish your wages
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Speaker 1: like any other vendor would do.
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Speaker 2: So let's talk about that.
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Speaker 3: Your take on that, Yeah, I mean it's in some
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Speaker 3: way I understand that the student loan borrow or how
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Speaker 3: shocking it is, right, especially after the super soft kind
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Speaker 3: of approach that the Biden administration had to student loans
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Speaker 3: and to borrowers. It was basically like, hey, we're going
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Speaker 3: to try to forgive these things. We're going to pause
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Speaker 3: loan payments for three plus years. And so everybody was like, yeah,
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Speaker 3: out of side, out of mind. I feel like I
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Speaker 3: don't even have student loans anymore. And then the payments resumed.
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Speaker 3: The Trump administration takes a different tactic, and you know,
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Speaker 3: the court struck down the forgiveness proposal, and people are
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Speaker 3: like oh gosh, I guess I got to think about
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Speaker 3: those things again. And so because of that that whiplash effect,
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Speaker 3: a lot of people just haven't been paying on those
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Speaker 3: student loans. Millions and millions of people have not been
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Speaker 3: paying even though payments have restarted, and the Trump administration
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Speaker 3: has basically said, yeah, if you are delinquent, we're going
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Speaker 3: to start garnishing your wages, and so that could be
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Speaker 3: up to fifteen percent of people's paychecks. That's going to
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Speaker 3: start literally as soon as this week. People are going
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Speaker 3: to start getting notices in the mail. And it's not
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Speaker 3: just your paycheck, like you could see part of your
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Speaker 3: tax refund or maybe your whole tax refund garnished as well.
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Speaker 3: So it's one of those things where if you haven't
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Speaker 3: thought about your student loan, it's time to start thinking
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Speaker 3: about it. If you are delinquent, right, it's time to
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Speaker 3: see if there is a payment plan that you can
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Speaker 3: get on with the federal government. Some of those are
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Speaker 3: still going to be around. They're going to be able
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Speaker 3: to lower your payment maybe to something that is affordable. Also,
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Speaker 3: we're seeing and this is something probably that you've noticed,
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Speaker 3: bill people are able to charge discharge their student loans
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Speaker 3: via bankruptcy if they have true inability to pay. They
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Speaker 3: used to be something that was like basically impossible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very well, very very difficult to do, if
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Speaker 1: not impossible. And I believe that government should be there
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Speaker 1: to help people, you know, I believe to an extent
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Speaker 1: social services should be there. And I'm fine with borrowing
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Speaker 1: money from the government to go to school. I think
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Speaker 1: that is a tremendous advantage to society and to the individual.
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Speaker 1: I think it's uh for the most part, upside my opinion. However,
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Speaker 1: those borrowers who are looking for moratoriums or looking for
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Speaker 1: forgiving loan the student loans, I would like you to
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Speaker 1: google the word borrow and just see what part of
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Speaker 1: you got to pay it back. And they're having a
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Speaker 1: problem with that and so making it easy. But I
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Speaker 1: think it's a great investment for a government to loan
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Speaker 1: money as long as it comes back.
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Speaker 2: Joel, did you borrow? Did you have a student loan?
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Speaker 1: I know you didn't get out of what high school
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Speaker 1: or junior high didn't get out of it, so you didn't
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Speaker 1: have to pay a lot of money, right.
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Speaker 3: I barely graduated middle school.
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Speaker 2: Did you did you borrow? Money. Do you go to school?
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Speaker 3: I did, Yeah, a small amount first two years. But
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Speaker 3: then I realized, guess what, I was going to private
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Speaker 3: school for a couple of years, and I didn't want
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Speaker 3: my didn't loan debt to increase anymore. I was like,
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Speaker 3: saw the writing on the wall. I was like, if
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Speaker 3: this keeps going, but I'm going to be in for
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Speaker 3: a long haul of debt payback. So I went to
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Speaker 3: a school that offered better financial aid and was able
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Speaker 3: to get the last two years for free, so that
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Speaker 3: I kept my student loan balance pretty well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I borrowed money.
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Speaker 1: I borrowed money for law school and it was not cheap,
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Speaker 1: and I paid and I.
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Speaker 2: Paid it back just like I thought I would. Amy,
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Speaker 2: did you borrow money to go to school?
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Speaker 1: Uh?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay I didn't. Personally, my parents basically took all right.
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Speaker 1: They so you got so you got it for free?
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Speaker 1: They paid, right, they borrowed, they paid. Yes, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: not you borrowing money. Thanks very much for well joined
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Speaker 1: them borrowing money. I still had to work through college.
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Speaker 1: Oh I understand. I mean so even people who don't
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Speaker 1: borrow money work through college.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they took out loans for me all.
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Speaker 1: Right, we all thanks. We'll talk again next Thursday. This Sunday,
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Speaker 1: twelve to two. How to Money Joel at how to
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Speaker 1: Money Joel's social address, and don't forget the website howdomoney
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Speaker 1: dot com.
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Speaker 2: Joel. You have a good one, Have a good weekend.
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Speaker 2: We'll catch on Sunday.
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Speaker 1: Okay, US forces boarded and seized a Russian flagged oil
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Speaker 1: tanker yesterday, tracking across the Atlantic for weeks. And this
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Speaker 1: is it was a tanker that had sanctioned oil and
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Speaker 1: it was a sanctioned tanker and it became a Russian
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Speaker 1: tanker somewhere in the middle of the Atlantic when they
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden started paying Russian flags on it.
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Speaker 2: So fascinating story.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what happened yesterday in Minneapolis, and it is a tragedy.
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Speaker 1: A thirty seven year old woman was shot, was killed
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Speaker 1: as she was in her parked suv. That was, she
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Speaker 1: had blocked a portion of the road and the ice
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Speaker 1: agents came up to her and effectively were I think
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Speaker 1: we're telling her move.
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Speaker 2: But in any case, she backs up and.
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Speaker 1: Tries to drive away and get shot, or she backed
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Speaker 1: up and then tried to hit an ice agent that
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Speaker 1: was there and we'll see what the investigation then produces.
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Speaker 1: So now let me explain what happens to people who
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Speaker 1: go out and protest. And here is the difference in
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Speaker 1: terms of the protesting when you're dealing with ice. And
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Speaker 1: this is I mean, think about this for a moment.
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Speaker 1: I was contemplating this during the break. And that is
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Speaker 1: normal protests, I mean protests other than ice protests. You're
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Speaker 1: normally protesting a policy or what the government is doing. Here,
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Speaker 1: you're protesting what is happening right in front of you,
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Speaker 1: you know, for example, or the Black Lives Matter movement
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Speaker 1: was talking about protesting a general concept black Lives Matter.
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Speaker 1: They weren't protesting that cop right there. Well, these ice
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Speaker 1: protests are all about that cop right there, that ice agent.
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Speaker 1: So all you're gonna have altercations on a different level
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Speaker 1: because the hatred spews far higher. The defense on the
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Speaker 1: side of ice is at a higher level. They're going
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Speaker 1: after people specifically, to go after people. It doesn't happen
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Speaker 1: in most demonstrations, doesn't happen in many most protests. So
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Speaker 1: already we're set up with a contentious situation that is
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Speaker 1: far greater than otherwise. And so what were these protests
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Speaker 1: about it's the way, not only the policy of the
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Speaker 1: United States, but the very way that ICE is picking
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Speaker 1: up people. Christinome always talks about we're only picking up
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Speaker 1: the worst of the worst. She's still saying that, which
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Speaker 1: I don't get. That's the worst of the worst. You know,
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Speaker 1: people they go into poultry factories, they go to the
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Speaker 1: home home depot outside on the driveway and just pick
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Speaker 1: people up, which they do in most part they are illegal,
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Speaker 1: which they are, but the way they're doing it is
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Speaker 1: in fact really difficult for many many people.
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Speaker 2: So now.
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Speaker 1: This woman was described by US Representative eleon Omar, Democrat
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Speaker 1: from Minnesota, probably one of the most left wing legislators
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Speaker 1: we have.
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Speaker 2: She's right there with AOC.
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Speaker 1: And she said that the woman killed was a quote
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Speaker 1: legal observer, shot while in her car, and local law
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Speaker 1: enforcement says she was blocking the street. I don't know
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Speaker 1: about that because cars were passing in front of her
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Speaker 1: and she was waving cars through. I mean, there again,
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Speaker 1: the investigation is going to prove where it is. There
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Speaker 1: are two divergent views and looking at the same video,
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Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. But she was a quote
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Speaker 1: legal observer, and Ken Paulson, the director of the Free
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Speaker 1: Speech Center at Middle Tennessee University, State University.
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Speaker 2: What a shocker.
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Speaker 1: What he said, Make no mistake, what happened in Minnesota
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Speaker 1: is not about free speech niceties. If they disobeyed the
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Speaker 1: police officer, they can be arrested, but under no circumstances
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Speaker 1: can they be shot. This is far less an issue
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Speaker 1: about free speech than it is the exercise of power. Now,
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Speaker 1: the woman was shot, she was killed, and literally within
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Speaker 1: probably an hour, Christinome, the Secretary of Homeland Security, came
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Speaker 1: out and immediately defended ICE and blamed the shooting on
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Speaker 1: the radical left. And the woman attempted to run over
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Speaker 1: and did hit the ICE agent. And it just went
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Speaker 1: on and I you don't usually hear that.
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Speaker 2: You here is we have to investigate it. We have to.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you had the mayor of Minneapolis, you had
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Speaker 1: the governor, you have people that educate free speech. They
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Speaker 1: didn't say outright, this is a murder. They said it
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Speaker 1: looks like one, but we have to do an investigation.
20:16
Speaker 1: We have to look at it and find out exactly
20:20
Speaker 1: what happened. The administration, this administration said we're done. This
20:24
Speaker 1: was a justified shooting.
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Speaker 2: This was a woman attacking one of our agents.
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Speaker 1: This was self defense and effectively effectively saying, we don't
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Speaker 1: even have to look at the video, we know what happened.
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Speaker 1: And Donald Trump said the same things. It was simply
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Speaker 1: the radical left. It was an attempt to kill an
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Speaker 1: ICE agent. So I guess, let's not even do an investigation.
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Speaker 1: And then I was talking this morning too, Amy, will
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Speaker 1: the FBI even investigate this? Now FBI is out there,
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Speaker 1: and it could be that Christineolam and the president are
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Speaker 1: simply they're just blurting out what they think. Christinoam in
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Speaker 1: that press conference when she said that in this ridiculous stetson,
21:14
Speaker 1: I didn't get that. Why she should have been wearing
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Speaker 1: a holster and doing target shooting or spinning the spinning
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Speaker 1: a gun around on her finger. She might as well
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Speaker 1: have done that. But she had then not a word
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Speaker 1: mentioned about an investigation.
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Speaker 2: Nothing.
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Speaker 4: Well, actually, Bill, Now the Minnesota officials are saying that
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Speaker 4: the FEDS are blocking them from investigating what happened.
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Speaker 1: Wow, you know, that gets a little bit deeper, doesn't it.
21:41
Speaker 1: And we'll see if that's true. You know, because even
21:45
Speaker 1: that we don't know, you can't investigate part of it,
21:47
Speaker 1: or you investigator stopping all of it.
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Speaker 2: I mean that is a stunner, to say the least.
21:52
Speaker 1: All Right, the US forces boarded and seesed a Russian
21:56
Speaker 1: flagged oil tanker, this shadow fleet, it was, it's been
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Speaker 1: a Russian vessel for thirty five minutes. It's part of
22:05
Speaker 1: this under the table fleet of tankers that sell oil
22:10
Speaker 1: under the table. And Venezuela, by the way, receives the
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Speaker 1: majority of its money in oil and buy this shadow fleet.
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Speaker 1: The other issue is what happened yesterday in Minneapolis with
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Speaker 1: the ICE shooting of that woman in her suv at
22:25
Speaker 1: the protest, and she's being described by those who are
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Speaker 1: liberal on the left Democrats as a legal observer. Now
22:35
Speaker 1: I don't know if that actually has a legal definition.
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Speaker 1: But what does that mean? Well, do you have rights?
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Speaker 1: Can you go and video anything? Of course you can.
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Speaker 1: You have a First Amendment right to record law enforcement
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Speaker 1: other government employees while they're doing their jobs, even if
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Speaker 1: an ICE agent is arresting someone. Of course, and here's
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Speaker 1: the problem that happens with ICE agents as well as
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Speaker 1: police officers during these protests. Someone will be videoing them
23:08
Speaker 1: and the coup will come up and say stop videoing,
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Speaker 1: just stop and you can say, but I have a
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Speaker 1: right to do that, and a couple will say, I
23:18
Speaker 1: don't care you stop right now, or I'm going to
23:21
Speaker 1: arrest you. Well, you have the absolute right. You will
23:25
Speaker 1: win in court. If he does he or she does
23:29
Speaker 1: arrest you, you will win. The problem is is you
23:34
Speaker 1: get arrested. So what happens. I'm going to get a
23:36
Speaker 1: little practical here. If you're not the only one there,
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Speaker 1: let's let the other people video it. Literally, do you
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Speaker 1: want the hassle?
23:45
Speaker 3: You know?
23:45
Speaker 1: Just for example, in this case, dozens of videos were taken,
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Speaker 1: So an ICE agent going up to a single person
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Speaker 1: and saying stop videoing, what's going to happen?
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Speaker 2: Nothing?
23:58
Speaker 1: And let's say you have a dozens and dozens of people.
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Speaker 1: Are they now going Are the cops the agents now
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Speaker 1: going to spread out, stop arresting the purported illegal aliens
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Speaker 1: and stop people from videoing?
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Speaker 2: Of course not. And you can't get in the way.
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Speaker 1: Of a police person doing his or her job or
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Speaker 1: a federal agent. You can't stand in front of front
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Speaker 1: of them while they're going to do their job or
24:23
Speaker 1: arresting someone. But just you know there are other people there,
24:26
Speaker 1: so and you don't scream at these people either and
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Speaker 1: you hear the screaming.
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Speaker 2: That's the last thing I.
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Speaker 1: Would do, because you can still do your job as
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Speaker 1: an observer, which you absolutely have the right to do. Now,
24:38
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of state legislators, legislatures that have
24:42
Speaker 1: passed laws around these quote buffer zones around crime scenes.
24:47
Speaker 1: They haven't done well legally because number one, they're vague,
24:53
Speaker 1: and second of all, if someone is not interfering with
24:58
Speaker 1: the police action and simply standing four feet away for example,
25:04
Speaker 1: and videoing and you have a lot of this says
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Speaker 1: you have to be twenty five feet away. Arizona did
25:09
Speaker 1: that within eight feet at a buffer zone. It was
25:13
Speaker 1: Indiana that did the twenty five foot buffer law. Struck down,
25:18
Speaker 1: I mean instantly struck down. So legal observers, I want
25:22
Speaker 1: to go back to that for a moment. Typically citizens
25:25
Speaker 1: who watch, there's my dog going crazy. Typically citizens who
25:29
Speaker 1: watch document record interactions between the police and protesters. And
25:33
Speaker 1: you've got these grassroot networks, and man, you look what
25:37
Speaker 1: happened yesterday after the shooting. Within minutes, hundreds of people
25:41
Speaker 1: showed up. And we're not talking about the protesters. We're
25:44
Speaker 1: talking about people that came to the area to protest
25:48
Speaker 1: to let the known and they were screaming at the
25:50
Speaker 1: cops like crazy. And so when you have a situation,
25:55
Speaker 1: keep in mind two things. Number One, you have the
25:57
Speaker 1: right to video. You have the right to protests. And
26:01
Speaker 1: this has become a lot more commonplace because of smartphones
26:05
Speaker 1: and bystanders. For example, the death of George Floyd was
26:09
Speaker 1: videoed and that video was just incredibly important in convicting
26:17
Speaker 1: the cop who did this. And you're going to see
26:21
Speaker 1: that happening because I'll tell you, witness statements are useless
26:24
Speaker 1: because for every witness that says A happened, you'll have
26:28
Speaker 1: a witness that says B happened. Video is right there.
26:32
Speaker 1: Now you can interpret it one way or the other.
26:35
Speaker 1: But the video is there. And what are the cops
26:39
Speaker 1: going to say? What is anybody going to say if
26:41
Speaker 1: he or she is being videoed?
26:43
Speaker 2: Who are you.
26:44
Speaker 1: Gonna believe me or your lying eyes? You know, video
26:51
Speaker 1: is very very important. So protesting an absolute right under
26:55
Speaker 1: the First Amendment, but those rights do have limits. For example,
27:00
Speaker 1: reasonable time to protest, reasonable manner and place. Can they
27:07
Speaker 1: move you into an area blocked up for protesting? Yeah,
27:11
Speaker 1: the police have been told that that is a legitimate.
27:16
Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Why because we're looking at
27:18
Speaker 1: the clashes and this is usually between two groups, two
27:22
Speaker 1: protest groups, where the police are looking at a clash
27:26
Speaker 1: that is going to happen, where the hatred is so
27:29
Speaker 1: high that you know people are going to get hurt.
27:32
Speaker 2: So here's what the cops do.
27:33
Speaker 1: And this happens in the Los Angeles and happened in
27:35
Speaker 1: Los Angeles with several protests. Is you guys are on
27:39
Speaker 1: that side of the street, We're going to put up barriers.
27:42
Speaker 1: You guys who are against these guys are on the
27:45
Speaker 1: other side of the street, and we're going to be
27:48
Speaker 1: putting up barriers. Those in fact are legitimate. So what's
27:53
Speaker 1: the bottom line? Well, I mean, do you harass the
27:59
Speaker 1: ice agents?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I think so, because people are pretty upset. Don't go
28:02
Speaker 1: up there and start videoing their faces. Don't get anywhere
28:06
Speaker 1: near them. We're going to be argued that you interfered
28:09
Speaker 1: with police officers. Okay, we're done, guys coming up as
28:13
Speaker 1: Gary and Shannon. We're back again tomorrow. I'm assuming Kono
28:17
Speaker 1: joins us tomorrow.
28:18
Speaker 4: If his car gets fixed, yeh.
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Speaker 1: If his car gets fixed. If not, well I'm here
28:23
Speaker 1: to bail them out again. There you go, there you go.
28:27
Speaker 1: All right, we're done, guys, Amy and Neil is still
28:31
Speaker 1: not here. We're going and we're not gonna have Will. God,
28:35
Speaker 1: we're half gone. Is Will coming back tomorrow?
28:37
Speaker 3: No?
28:38
Speaker 2: Do we know?
28:39
Speaker 4: Nope, he's gone till Monday because he's he's flying over
28:42
Speaker 4: the Fiesta Bowl today and then he's headed out to
28:44
Speaker 4: fly over a playoff game.
28:46
Speaker 2: Wow.
28:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he actually wants to earn some money. Yeah, okay,
28:52
Speaker 1: that makes sense. All right, guys, we're done. We're finished.
28:54
Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning, all over again. You've been listening to The
28:59
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