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Murdered jogger Karina Vetrano's father talks to Nancy Grace · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Queena's body was found in the reeds and Spring Greek Park,
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Speaker 1: just blocks from her home in Howard Beach. She had
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Speaker 1: left barely an hour earlier for her evening run at
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Speaker 1: five o'clock. Justice from my daughter, retribution. That is everything
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Speaker 1: I live for, what it's all I do. This is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories with Nancy Grace. DNA recovered from the crime
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Speaker 1: scene this summer failed to match anyone in either the
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Speaker 1: federal or state databases, but Villa's urging investigators to conduct
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Speaker 1: more sophisticated screening called familial searching. I have thought comparing
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Speaker 1: different scenario, every different one, because all I have time
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Speaker 1: to know what to think about what happened, why it
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Speaker 1: was over four months ago. The beautiful young girl goes
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Speaker 1: for a run very near her home that she shares
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Speaker 1: with her dad, her family. That was the one day
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Speaker 1: that Phil the Toronto did not go jogging with his daughter.
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Speaker 1: And when I first heard this scenario, it reminded me
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Speaker 1: so much of my dad Mac, because whenever we're in
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Speaker 1: the same town together, he would walk while I was jogged.
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Speaker 1: Every single time. It was some of the happiest times
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Speaker 1: I've I've ever had. And when I heard that that
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Speaker 1: day Phil had an ailment. He did not go running,
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Speaker 1: and then his daughter didn't show up. She didn't come
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Speaker 1: back on time, and he knew immediately something was wrong,
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Speaker 1: and he was right. Something came to him and said
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Speaker 1: she needs you. Of course, right now I know that
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Speaker 1: you know. I'm talking about Carena the Toronto. She has
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Speaker 1: been called the New York jogger. He found his daughter's body.
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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine the pain he has endured, and
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Speaker 1: right now we are fighting for justice because her killer
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Speaker 1: is still at large. Thank you for being with us today.
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Speaker 1: This is Nancy Grace with crime stories, and I am
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Speaker 1: deeply honored to have with me fill the Toronto, who
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Speaker 1: has taken time out of his schedule to be with
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Speaker 1: us today and speak on behalf of his daughter, Karina. Phil.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Oh, Nancy's always a pleasure,
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Speaker 1: and thank you. I I just felt guilty that you
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Speaker 1: even say thank you to me, because when I am
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Speaker 1: recounting this story, I remember that moment I heard that
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Speaker 1: Carina I gone missing and was found dead, and she
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Speaker 1: fought for her life. She fought so hard. I want
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Speaker 1: to go back with you and go through the events
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Speaker 1: that day, bring us up to right now and your
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Speaker 1: efforts to find her killer. What happened that day was
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Speaker 1: August two, around five pm, broad daylight. What happened correct,
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Speaker 1: It was August two, broad daylight. She left the house
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Speaker 1: around thirty you know. She said, Daddy, I'm gonna go
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Speaker 1: for a run. And she asked me if I wanted
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Speaker 1: to come, and I said I can't today, Kaem because
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Speaker 1: my back is hurt. And I asked her, are you
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Speaker 1: gonna go in there, meaning the trail in the weeds,
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Speaker 1: and she said yeah. And I said, Karen, did you
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Speaker 1: think it's a good idea? She said, don't worry, Daddy,
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Speaker 1: I'll be okay, and she went off. And she was
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Speaker 1: only gone twenty minutes when this feeling came over me,
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Speaker 1: like like something but something was wrong. So I called
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Speaker 1: her phone at UH seven six thirty. I was I
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Speaker 1: was watching the news. I was eating dinner, and I
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Speaker 1: just said damn. I didn't say damn, but the words
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Speaker 1: similar to damn. And my wife had just gotten home
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Speaker 1: from the hospital, and she said, what's the matter, And
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Speaker 1: I said, Karene is not answering her phone. And my
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Speaker 1: wife didn't even know she went out for a run.
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Speaker 1: So I went looking for her, and I walked the
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Speaker 1: trail where we usually run. I stopped about two hundred
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Speaker 1: feet from m where she was because I didn't think
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Speaker 1: we haven't went that far. And uh, I turned around
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Speaker 1: and I came out. I called a friend of mine
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Speaker 1: in in the p D and I told him Karine
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Speaker 1: is missing. She's not answering our phone. And within fifteen
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Speaker 1: minutes we had patrol. Cause within a half hour, we
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Speaker 1: had helicopters, we had bloodhounds, we had three people looking
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Speaker 1: for her. They happened to unlock her phone. She had
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Speaker 1: a hitting, you know, an Apple product, which was very
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Speaker 1: difficult to unlock. But because Karina had asthma, they were
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Speaker 1: able to unlock the phone and we we found the location.
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Speaker 1: And at ten thirty, I went to where the phone
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Speaker 1: was found and I just she called me, you know,
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Speaker 1: she came to me and called mens and and led
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Speaker 1: me to where she was and I just walked into
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Speaker 1: the weeds and found her. I am, I can hardly
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Speaker 1: even respond to you, Phil when I'm hearing you re
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Speaker 1: tell this story about your daughter going missing. It's just
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Speaker 1: I know, it's painful for me to hear it, so
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Speaker 1: I can only imagine how it is for you to
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Speaker 1: tell it. And I remember at some point when I
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Speaker 1: would tell the story in my fiance's murder, at some
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Speaker 1: point I would just gonne and recount the story. But
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Speaker 1: when you tell that, when you say she came to
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Speaker 1: you one thing, did you hear a voice in your head?
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Speaker 1: What happened? No, it's just the same way that I
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Speaker 1: got the feeling when I was watching them when I
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Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. Uh, my carener and myself, we
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Speaker 1: weren't just you know, father and daughter. She was like
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Speaker 1: my best friend, and we did everything together. So uh, okay,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something, Phil. You are really getting
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Speaker 1: to me right now, because I told you this in
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Speaker 1: person in New York City not long ago. But that's
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Speaker 1: how I was with my father. We did everything together.
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Speaker 1: He would go with us, he and my mom would
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Speaker 1: go with us on vacations. He would stay up at
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Speaker 1: the house with us, go with me to pick up
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Speaker 1: the children from school. Everything exercised together, eat dinners together.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such a huge void in your life,
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Speaker 1: and you got to figure this thing out. So you
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Speaker 1: find her cell phone, and then what happens, Well, the
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Speaker 1: cops found the cell phone, so I went to where
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Speaker 1: the where the police were. There were about fifteen cops
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Speaker 1: there at the time. There was bloodhounds. There was a
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Speaker 1: helicopter with heat sensor on it. And I said, where's
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Speaker 1: the phone and they pointed in the direction he said
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Speaker 1: about fifty ft in And you know they didn't touch
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Speaker 1: the phone. They left it to c s. I So
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Speaker 1: I said, okay, you know that's pitch black now, and
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Speaker 1: I started walking deeper into the trail, you know, just walking.
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Speaker 1: And then uh, I told myself or somebody or something
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Speaker 1: told me no. So I turned around and I walked
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Speaker 1: in the other direction. I got to about fifty ft
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Speaker 1: from where the phone was on the trail, and I
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Speaker 1: just stopped. And I you know, there's a trail to
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Speaker 1: the right and there's a trail to the left. You
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Speaker 1: can go an either way, and the weeds or eight
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Speaker 1: feet high, and I just stopped. I turned to my right,
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Speaker 1: I looked the weeds, and I just walked in and
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Speaker 1: I made her about thirty thirty five and that's where
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Speaker 1: she was. You know, she she needed her father, She
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Speaker 1: needed me to find her. There's no question. Why why
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Speaker 1: do you say that, Why do you say she needed
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Speaker 1: you to find her? Well, because if anyone was going
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Speaker 1: to find her, and if she had any power over
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Speaker 1: the situation, that would it would be me. She needed
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Speaker 1: her daddy to bring her home, of course she did.
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Speaker 1: When when you saw her, was there any doubt in
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Speaker 1: your mind that she had passed away and there was
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Speaker 1: no way to revive her? H Well, at first sight,
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Speaker 1: you know, she didn't look that bad. And you know,
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Speaker 1: being a trained paramedic, you know f D n Y,
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Speaker 1: you know, my initial reaction is to check for pulse,
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Speaker 1: you know, And as soon as I lifted her, I
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Speaker 1: knew because the rigors started to set in a ready
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Speaker 1: oh you know, I've got a question for you. And
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Speaker 1: this is a completely personal question on my part. It's
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Speaker 1: not evidentiary or fact finding. I remember after my you know,
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Speaker 1: everyone in the room in my family was telling my father,
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Speaker 1: go ahead, you can go. I was literally had my
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Speaker 1: lips on his ear saying, Daddy, don't go, do not go,
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Speaker 1: stay here with me, do not leave. And after everyone
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Speaker 1: left the room and he had had gone on to heaven,
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Speaker 1: I remember that the nurse wanted metally and just leave
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Speaker 1: his body there. And you know, absolutely, of course I
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Speaker 1: would never do that, but it just I just could
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Speaker 1: not leave him there, even though I knew he was
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Speaker 1: no longer in his body. After you found her? What happened?
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Speaker 1: Did they take her? Did what happened? Then? After I
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Speaker 1: found them, all hell broke loose. You know, I was
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Speaker 1: immediate as soon as as soon as they heard me. Well,
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Speaker 1: so you know, the police came in and they they
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Speaker 1: told me, sir, you have to put her down. You
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Speaker 1: have to put her down. This is a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: So I put her down and I said, okay, when
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Speaker 1: when when are we going to get her out of here?
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Speaker 1: And it was ten thirty at night and they said, well,
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Speaker 1: we have to wait for the medical examiner to come.
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Speaker 1: The ambulance has to come. So I'm I'm, you know,
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Speaker 1: half hours going by, and I'm starting to lose my
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Speaker 1: mind and I'm I'm screaming, where the hell are they?
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Speaker 1: Do you want me to go get them? And you know,
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Speaker 1: little did I know that, of course it's a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: And they were just telling me that because they wanted
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Speaker 1: to pacify me. Uh. About another half hour goes by
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Speaker 1: and I'm I'm saying, what's taking them so long? You
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Speaker 1: got to get her out of there? And then I
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Speaker 1: started getting some calls saying that just starting to they're
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Speaker 1: starting to hear some roomors. And you know, of course
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Speaker 1: my wife rumors about you know, me finding her or
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Speaker 1: weave us finding her, and that she was no longer
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Speaker 1: with us. And because my wife didn't know at this point,
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Speaker 1: but you knew, what different is that? How your wife
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Speaker 1: sounded out no, no, So I got a call saying, Phil,
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Speaker 1: you better get over here, and you need to talk
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Speaker 1: to your wife. So I made my way back home
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Speaker 1: and I broke the news to her. So it turns
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Speaker 1: out they didn't get her out of there until five
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Speaker 1: six hours later. Because of course it's a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: They had to bring the c S. I, they had,
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Speaker 1: you know, do whatever they do at a crime scene.
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Speaker 1: So you know, people don't understand unless you've gone through
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Speaker 1: it yourself. You're about out of your mind because it
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem real. I remember when my fiance was killed.
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Speaker 1: They told me that he was gone, okay, But then
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Speaker 1: in my mind I thought, wait a minute, that maybe
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Speaker 1: that was wrong. Maybe he's alive, and if I can
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Speaker 1: get there fast enough, maybe I can help you. Maybe
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Speaker 1: this maybe that, I mean, your mind is doing all
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Speaker 1: sorts of contortions to make it not real. That's what
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Speaker 1: I remember. I still don't believe it's true. I don't
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Speaker 1: think i'll ever believe it's true. You know what's crazy.
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Speaker 1: Not not last night, but not before last I dreamed
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Speaker 1: that Keith was still alive. My fiance and I saw
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Speaker 1: him and he went listen. It was like a big secret,
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Speaker 1: because dial this number and will we'll meet and dial
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Speaker 1: my cell number? Okay, all right? So then I tried
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Speaker 1: to dial the number, and of course the digits were
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Speaker 1: wrong and this, and there's always a reason in every
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Speaker 1: dream that it doesn't happen, you know, just because I
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Speaker 1: guess in your mind you're still trying to rationalize that
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Speaker 1: it did happen. I guess your body and your mind
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Speaker 1: has a safety precaution that doesn't let you digest everything
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Speaker 1: all at one time, because then you would just go
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Speaker 1: totally insane. So after that, when I first realized what
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Speaker 1: had happened to Karina and I heard about you, I
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Speaker 1: immediately started covering it, covering it, covering it, covering it.
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Speaker 1: And then as the days when I thought for sure,
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Speaker 1: with a crime scene like that, that it would be
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Speaker 1: a matter of days, if not hours, that the killer
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Speaker 1: was going to be caught, because I was convinced there
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Speaker 1: was plenty of DNA at the scene they were going
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Speaker 1: to be fingerprints, and that was that, Yes, you did
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Speaker 1: not happen that way. Well, there was plenty of evidence,
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Speaker 1: and I was told by Chief of Detectives the very
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Speaker 1: next day saying, we're gonna get this guy, and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna get him right away. But little did anybody know
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Speaker 1: that he this person, this murderer, was not in the
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Speaker 1: database and his DNA was never on fire. Oh, dear
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Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven. Yes, Oh, I just don't. I don't
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Speaker 1: understand it, feel because this is, uh, this is contrary
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Speaker 1: to everything I know, and I know it to be
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Speaker 1: true about criminal psychopathy. You don't just suddenly one day
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Speaker 1: commit her. It doesn't happen like that typically, especially a
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Speaker 1: murder like this. Is so hard for me to believe.
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Speaker 1: He has never been in trouble before. And the reason
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Speaker 1: we're talking about this everyone For a moment, I was like,
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Speaker 1: I'm just talking on the phone to feel the Toronto.
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Speaker 1: This is Karina, the Toronto's father. We're talking about DNA
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Speaker 1: in the DNA database codus like aphis, which is the
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Speaker 1: fingerprint database. Everybody's in there. If you have ever had
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Speaker 1: a federal job, a government job, if you've ever gotten
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Speaker 1: booked on anything, there's an Now, sometimes people get fingerprints
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Speaker 1: for all sorts of reasons, pawn shops, you name it.
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Speaker 1: That goes into aphist. Now there's codas for d n A.
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Speaker 1: And if you are convicted in many jurisdictions, your DNA
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Speaker 1: goes into a data bank. Whoever murdered this beautiful girl,
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Speaker 1: their DNA which was found in the scene is not
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Speaker 1: matching up to a database. What about minicondrial or familial DNA?
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Speaker 1: What about that? Phil, Well, that is what we're working on.
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Speaker 1: We we have a special meeting with the Forensic sub
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Speaker 1: Committee on February tenth, and this meeting has come about
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Speaker 1: just because of Karina. This is a special meeting and
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Speaker 1: they're going to vote if who is who is they
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Speaker 1: a subcommittee? What subcommittee? Well, this comes down from the
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Speaker 1: New York State Deplotment, a criminal justice. They decide if
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Speaker 1: it's a good idea to uh put this on the table,
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Speaker 1: to put this out for a vote. And we put
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Speaker 1: so much pressure on them that they call for a
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Speaker 1: special meeting. And at this meeting there's going to be scientists.
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Speaker 1: The people on the board of the subcommittee are scientists,
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Speaker 1: and they're going to vote if it's a good process
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Speaker 1: to use or it's not a good process. Are you
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Speaker 1: talking about mitochonsural or familial DNA, We're talking about familiar DNA. OK. Goodness,
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Speaker 1: that's what I was hoping you're going to say. And
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Speaker 1: in a nutshell without a lot of legal or scientific terms,
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Speaker 1: what that means is we've got the killer's DNA that
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Speaker 1: he left on the scene. If it is allowed to
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Speaker 1: compare that to familial DNA. What that will do is
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Speaker 1: if anybody in his family or a relative has ever
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Speaker 1: been arrested and their DNA is in the data bank,
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Speaker 1: it will match it. And that way you'll go to
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Speaker 1: that family member. It could be a mother, a sister,
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Speaker 1: a female cousin, a male cousin. That gives you a lead.
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Speaker 1: It's finding the straw in the haystack. It's you know,
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Speaker 1: the needle in a haystack. That's what it would be.
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Speaker 1: You would go to that relative that has been in
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Speaker 1: the code of system, and then you've got to lead.
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Speaker 1: You've got a clue. Right, That is correct. But I
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Speaker 1: just want to add, because a lot of people don't
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Speaker 1: understand that only criminals. DNA are in the database, so
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Speaker 1: only targeting criminals. That's absolutely correct. And what I was
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Speaker 1: saying about fingerprints, Uh, if you like I had to
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Speaker 1: give my fingerprints to be a district attorney or to
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Speaker 1: end when I was fed. We're not talking about fingerprints.
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Speaker 1: We're talking about DNA, and only criminals are in the
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Speaker 1: d n A system. So when you are it's like
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Speaker 1: when you drive a car and you get a driver's license,
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Speaker 1: you give up uh certain privacy in order to be
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Speaker 1: on the roads. You've got your your name, your d
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Speaker 1: O B, your address, you have to take a test
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Speaker 1: uh a lot of places. You have to give a fingerprint,
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Speaker 1: your photo that gives you a pass to ride on
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Speaker 1: the roads. Okay, when you are convicted selling, you give
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Speaker 1: up the right to have a gun. Sometimes you give
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Speaker 1: up the right to vote, and you have to give
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Speaker 1: your DNA. That's the deal. Okay, you go in the system,
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Speaker 1: you go in jails, you give your d n A
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Speaker 1: BAM and the story and it's very simple. It's like
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Speaker 1: putting a cute chip along the inside of your mouth.
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Speaker 1: That's giving DNA. So there's really no question. When you
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Speaker 1: are convicted of a felony, then you give your d
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Speaker 1: n A. I don't really understand what the complaint is
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Speaker 1: because if you're in the d n A system, you're
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Speaker 1: a criminal and you have to give your d n A.
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Speaker 1: You gave up the right to keep that private. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I haven't listening to something, phil No. No, you're absolutely
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Speaker 1: positively right. And the people that that are are against this,
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Speaker 1: I believe they're they're only against it because of their
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Speaker 1: ignorance of the facts. They really don't know what the
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Speaker 1: process is and they think their Fourth Amendment rights are
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Speaker 1: going to be uh question Something're gonna lose their Fourth
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Speaker 1: Amendment right. But dinn't understand it's the DNA is already there.
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Speaker 1: It's in the database, and it's only there for convicted criminals. So,
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Speaker 1: like you said, you give up certain rights when you're
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Speaker 1: a felon, and this is one of them. I mean.
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Speaker 1: Bottom one. Familial searching is a technique whereby a crime
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Speaker 1: scene profile, if you run through the offender the criminal DATABA,
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Speaker 1: hoping to get a list of profiles similar to the
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Speaker 1: DNA found at the scene. It's just that simple, and
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Speaker 1: it has really come to the forefront because of you
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Speaker 1: feel the Toronto and Carina your daughter. Now, some people
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Speaker 1: argue it's a controversial method that attracts suspects and crimes
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Speaker 1: by using the DNA of their religions. Uh. Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: exactly what it is. And I don't understand the them.
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Speaker 1: What what is the problem, Well, only criminals would not
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Speaker 1: want this done. Like you said, your fingerprints on file.
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Speaker 1: I'm a fire in my finger prints am on file.
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Speaker 1: People that have nothing to hide, should you know, shouldn't
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Speaker 1: be concerned about it. Only only criminals, Uh, don't want
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Speaker 1: this done. Did you know that there are already many
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Speaker 1: states that allow semilial DNA searches? Did you know that?
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Speaker 1: Not New York? Now Ohio has allowed it since two
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Speaker 1: thousand twelve. UM And anyway, I think there's about twelve
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Speaker 1: that allow it. Of course, they have it in the
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Speaker 1: uk okay Um and typically it uses the DNA of
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Speaker 1: male male relatives to catch the perp. And I think
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Speaker 1: that there may be a scientific reason, but I believe
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Speaker 1: it's because most violent felonies are committed by men. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if that's the connection. Now, I guess it's
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Speaker 1: the A C. L U right that don't think you
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Speaker 1: should use DNA and familiar DNA is that the problem
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Speaker 1: that is that is absolutely right, Nancy. You know what,
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Speaker 1: I let I let them take Karina for trying to
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Speaker 1: kill her home for dinner. How about that if they
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Speaker 1: don't want familiar DNA, because that's what they're asking for.
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Speaker 1: Just some people claim, such as civil liberties a c
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Speaker 1: l U, this violates the Fourth Amendment that protects you
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Speaker 1: from unreasonable search and seizures. But the reality is this
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Speaker 1: is not an unreasonable search or seizure of your DNA.
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Speaker 1: You give it up when you go to jail. That
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Speaker 1: that's the rationale behind this. What about a composite sketch?
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Speaker 1: What do we think the composite looks looks like we
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Speaker 1: were unable to get a composite with the profile. Uh.
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Speaker 1: I've been told that it's not the right DNA and
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Speaker 1: it's not the we didn't have enough of that particular
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Speaker 1: type of DNA. But what we have we have a
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Speaker 1: complete profile, meaning that once the person is apprehended, it
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Speaker 1: would be a complete match. Uh. No question, Definitely. The perpetrator.
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Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the name Justin Christian He was
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Speaker 1: accused in the kidnapping attempt to kidnapping. I'm a ten
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Speaker 1: year old little girl. And the rape are the six
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Speaker 1: year old girl the rape of a six year old
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Speaker 1: girl in Cleveland and familial DNA led to one of
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Speaker 1: his relatives and then allegedly to him. Then ye, yes,
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Speaker 1: this just happened about two months ago in Ohio. They
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Speaker 1: made their first arresting eviction through his brother. Um So
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Speaker 1: Canada wants to do it. We It has done in
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Speaker 1: a number of states that we mentioned, but it hasn't
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Speaker 1: never been done in New York. But it's it's kind
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Speaker 1: of embarrassing because New York is the center of the
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Speaker 1: modern world. Things should start in New York. We shouldn't
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Speaker 1: have such a hard time, uh, making this being able
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Speaker 1: to be used in New York. You know, um I didn't.
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Speaker 1: I have to agree with you on that. New York
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Speaker 1: is the by many as the capital of the world
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Speaker 1: and for them not to have familial DNA testing is
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Speaker 1: I'm so surprised, so behind in procedure. Well, it's not
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Speaker 1: like didn't know about it. This has been on the
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Speaker 1: table for with the New York Department of Criminal Justice
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Speaker 1: for the last eight years. They just never acted upon
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Speaker 1: it until I put the heat up. Did you know
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Speaker 1: the first day that did it was California and that
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Speaker 1: was back in two thousand and eight. They allow it. Uh,
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Speaker 1: Colorado allows it. Florida, Yeah yeah, Ohio now, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just very surprised. Typically the front runners are legal trends
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Speaker 1: or California, Florida, and New York, and believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: in Georgia because they follow along because of their proximity
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Speaker 1: to Florida. Florida will do it, and then Georgia will
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Speaker 1: follow it because you know, we've got a very fluid
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Speaker 1: line between Florida and Georgia. So I've noticed that legal
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Speaker 1: trend between the two of those. So what do we
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Speaker 1: have to do? How can we help you feel? I
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Speaker 1: have an online petition on change dot org org familiar
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Speaker 1: DNA testing for Koreanava Triano. I'm not that hey, I
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Speaker 1: went to law school, not I'm not that great metapus.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going right now, change change, go ahead,
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Speaker 1: change dot org yep, familiar DNA testing. Well, shouldn't there
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Speaker 1: be a slashing here somewhere? Well, if you put that in,
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Speaker 1: it will come up just familiar DNA testing for Karna
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Speaker 1: vatrino and you'll see the petition. I'm doing it right
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Speaker 1: now to make sure that the listeners can do it
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Speaker 1: as well. Kreena Batronta, do you think they'll play any
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Speaker 1: attention to the will of the people at all? They should, well,
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Speaker 1: they should, shouldn't they famous last words? Okay, you know
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Speaker 1: what it does. It does try to change dot org.
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Speaker 1: This is what I put in. I put change dot
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Speaker 1: org so familial DNA Carina Va, Toronto, and it says
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Speaker 1: to petitions and then it's it plants followed. Okay, I'm
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Speaker 1: doing it, change dot org. What else can we do?
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Speaker 1: Feel beside, feel this out, pray what else? Yes, and
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Speaker 1: get in touch with the New York New York State
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Speaker 1: Department of Criminal Justice via email, via phone call and
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Speaker 1: support this familiar testing and when they get to the
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Speaker 1: meeting on the tent, hopefully they'll have a proposal ready
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Speaker 1: and it'll turn out in our favor and they can
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Speaker 1: start using it immediately. You know, Phil, you have given
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Speaker 1: me a real gift today because I prosecuted crimes for
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Speaker 1: so long and when I switched to TV and they
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Speaker 1: her need if discussing them or putting a light on
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Speaker 1: them really did any good and helping in any way,
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Speaker 1: but by giving me giving me this your change dot
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Speaker 1: org petition and the day of the hearing, which is
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Speaker 1: February of the tent. I feel that. I believe I
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Speaker 1: don't feel it. I believe that we can try to
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Speaker 1: make a difference and find who killed your daughter and
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Speaker 1: at least give her that amount of justice. That's all
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Speaker 1: we can do now, is trying to seek justice for her.
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Speaker 1: That is all we can do. And you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 1: The reason we got so much attention so quickly, and
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Speaker 1: we rustled so many feathers is because of people like you,
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Speaker 1: people in the media that went out either on a
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Speaker 1: radio or on television or in the newspaper and put
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Speaker 1: this out there. Because if this is the only reason
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Speaker 1: that the state had decided to act on it, because
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Speaker 1: they were getting so much pressure, and it's only because
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Speaker 1: of people like yourself that helped. You know what else,
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Speaker 1: Phil You know why bad or evil or crime or
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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. You know why it wins.
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Speaker 1: It wins because we become complacent and we're we're just
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Speaker 1: you know that, Devin, happy, We just go about our
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Speaker 1: business and we're not hearing the cries of other people
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Speaker 1: and thinking what can I do about it? What can
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Speaker 1: I do today to make a difference, and you have
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Speaker 1: given us something we can do to affect change, and
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for that. Everyone, you please
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Speaker 1: help us bring about change may result God willing and
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Speaker 1: apprehending the killer of this gorgeous young girl. Her father's
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Speaker 1: heart is broken, her mother's heart is broken. The only
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Speaker 1: thing we can do for Karina Pvatronto now is seek justice.
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Speaker 1: I am continuing to cover this on Crime online dot
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Speaker 1: com and we will be back, but Phil PA Toronto,
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Speaker 1: as this date nears, this crucial date of February ten,
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Speaker 1: Phil the Toronto, thank you and to everyone listening right now,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing off,
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,