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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: "First NFL Start For A Guy Like That...He Was More Of A Plus Than A Minus" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone. Welcome to Inside the Tape. On Inside the Birds,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Jeff Mosher with Adam Kaplan. And of course, to
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  Speaker 2: break down the tape, we have Greg Cosell. And boy,
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  Speaker 2: what the tape might show. Greg, we don't do tape
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  Speaker 2: of special teams. And we're not going to start in
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  Speaker 2: this episode because everybody knows how and why exactly the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles lost in the end in Jacksonville. I'm sorry, in
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  Speaker 2: London against Jacksonville in a 1917 game. What a way
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  Speaker 2: to end it. It's not so great, obviously, for the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles to lose three in a row. But as Adam
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  Speaker 2: and I tried to discuss in the postgame show, there
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  Speaker 2: were some positives we could take away. There were also
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  Speaker 2: some things that keep resurfacing that hurt them.
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  Speaker 1: Can you share the positives with me?
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  Speaker 2: The positives were you saw Jalen Carter play really well.
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  Speaker 2: In the first half.
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  Speaker 1: In the first half, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I actually thought, and this is a good way to
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  Speaker 2: segue into our offensive show, this one, I was expecting
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  Speaker 2: to see a lot more offensive penalties from majors and
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  Speaker 2: from the left guard.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you say that. And just before we,
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  Speaker 1: you know, since we kind of do this freewheeling, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: I assume you We don't have a plan here. We're
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  Speaker 1: not in a syllabus here, you know.
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  Speaker 2: We're kind of like the Eagles' second-half offense. We just– Right, right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's funny because the first two offensive possessions, I'm
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  Speaker 1: watching the tape because that's the first thing I do
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  Speaker 1: when I come in, and on Mondays I usually get
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  Speaker 1: here about 5.15 in the morning. So I was watching
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  Speaker 1: the tape, and the first two possessions, I'm like watching,
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  Speaker 1: and I go, Willie Lampkin is getting beat on every
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  Speaker 1: single play. And then all of a sudden he settled in.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: And he did not play poorly after the first two possessions.
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  Speaker 1: But the first two possessions, as I'm watching, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 1: to myself, oh, boy, I just don't know if this
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  Speaker 1: guy can play left guard in the NFL. And then
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  Speaker 1: I give the guy a ton of credit. He settled in.
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  Speaker 1: Did he have a bad snap here or there? Sure.
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  Speaker 1: But every offensive lineman has a bad snap here or there.
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  Speaker 1: And I know people listening might think, well, how could
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  Speaker 1: they have played well? Because I don't think majors played
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  Speaker 1: poorly either. He had some bad snaps because they didn't
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  Speaker 1: run the ball well at all. So people might be
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  Speaker 1: thinking that, OK, well, they couldn't have played well. But
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  Speaker 1: when you don't run well, there's there's multiple reasons. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just one guy. You know, the other point I'd
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  Speaker 1: make is and I know this for a fact because
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  Speaker 1: I know who's working with him in the building. Markel
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  Speaker 1: Bell needs to get a lot stronger. He's got traits,
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  Speaker 1: but he's not strong enough right now, which Adam has
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  Speaker 1: addressed with somebody he knows in the league was an
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  Speaker 1: offensive line coach. I remember Adam speaking about this, that
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  Speaker 1: he said that, you know, he loved the kid. but
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  Speaker 1: he said he shouldn't play as a rookie. Adam, didn't
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  Speaker 1: you say that about Markel Bell?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, he needed to work into his body. He's very long,
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  Speaker 3: and he needs to get in the weight room and
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  Speaker 3: lose weight. But as you said, there's something you really–
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  Speaker 3: No question, but.
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  Speaker 1: He just needs to be strong. You can see that
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  Speaker 1: on tape. He just needs to get stronger. It is. Yeah. But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, he wasn't supposed to play this year.
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  Speaker 1: You can't blame him. I know he's working at it,
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  Speaker 1: and I know he's a very good young man. I
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  Speaker 1: actually met him at the All-In Masterminds, talked to him
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes. I mean, and like I said, I
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  Speaker 1: know who's working with him. So, you know, he'll end
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  Speaker 1: up being a good player, but obviously he has to
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  Speaker 1: play now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Unless they want to put Fred Johnson in there, who
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  Speaker 1: obviously played right guard in this game, and then Steen
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  Speaker 1: came back. But that'll be up to the organization as
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  Speaker 1: to what they want to do going forward.
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  Speaker 2: Only in the world of the NFL can a human
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  Speaker 2: being who is, what, 6'9, 350, be told he has
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  Speaker 2: to get stronger. Only in the NFL would you say
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  Speaker 2: that about, but it is true.
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  Speaker 1: Anyway, I just figured I'd throw that out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just to start so we, you know, because that's what
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  Speaker 1: I noticed right away, you know, because there was one
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  Speaker 1: play where Armstead just, you know, long-armed him on a
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  Speaker 1: pass rush, and I'm like, oh, my God, this is
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  Speaker 1: not– and, of course, Armstead's probably a foot taller, but
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  Speaker 1: I mean– you know, it was just one of those
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  Speaker 1: where you look at the play and go, Oh my God,
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  Speaker 1: this is not going to go well.
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  Speaker 3: But he, I ask you Lampkin because you know, the, the,
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  Speaker 3: the book on him is former wrestler, high school wrestler,
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  Speaker 3: strong lower body though. He's just too short. What are
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  Speaker 3: the traits that you really liked about him?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what he's obviously has natural leverage
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  Speaker 1: because he's lower than everybody's playing against. And he, he
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  Speaker 1: definitely has that really strong lower body because he gets
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  Speaker 1: under people and he, you know, he, He doesn't move.
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  Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. He doesn't move people because
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  Speaker 1: he's just, you know, he's not just big enough overall,
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  Speaker 1: but he still makes them. Now, the longer a play goes,
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  Speaker 1: he can have some issues because he can't really move
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  Speaker 1: them out of the way. But look, first NFL start
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  Speaker 1: for a guy like that. I mean, I, well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure there were individual. I know there's individual plays where
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  Speaker 1: he got a minus. I would say overall, he was
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  Speaker 1: more of a plus than a minus.
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  Speaker 2: That is like the epitome of having two different conversations
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  Speaker 2: about an individual making his first start, giving the story,
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  Speaker 2: you're impressed, he rebounds, like you said, from a rough
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  Speaker 2: opening series, right? But when you look at this thing
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  Speaker 2: long term, right, what have we said about this running game,
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  Speaker 2: what Saquon Barkley, Saquon Barkley needs someone not stalemating, but really,
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  Speaker 2: you know, creating a hole for him to run through.
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  Speaker 2: So unfortunately you're getting a positive sign for the short
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  Speaker 2: term and maybe for the long term for Willie and
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  Speaker 2: his career, but for the current state of things right now,
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  Speaker 2: it's just, it's not a great situation.
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  Speaker 1: And as we've discussed with Barkley, he's not a wiggle back.
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  Speaker 1: So he needs people to at least move a little
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  Speaker 1: bit at the first level. You know, he's not, he's
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  Speaker 1: not Jameer Gibb. You know, he's not that kind of runner.
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  Speaker 1: He's not a wiggle back. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So if you had asked me, Greg, going into the game,
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  Speaker 2: what are my expectations of majors and Lampkin center left guard?
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  Speaker 2: I would have probably, as I was saying, I would
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  Speaker 2: have probably expected like a double digits worth of false starts, holdings,
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  Speaker 2: bad snaps, and maybe some, some other penalties in there.
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  Speaker 2: They weren't, they were no discipline standpoint. They all seem
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  Speaker 2: to perform their job really well. And if they have
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  Speaker 2: to play again, at least you're encouraged that maybe even
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  Speaker 2: at home, Their crowd, although the crowd was very pro-Philly, but,
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  Speaker 2: you know, no silent count. Like, you can build off that.
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  Speaker 1: No, I agree. I mean, you know, and again, like
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  Speaker 1: I said, people listening might look and see they had
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  Speaker 1: 18 rushes for 22 yards and think, what are you
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  Speaker 1: talking about? But, you know, I was looking at these
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  Speaker 1: guys as individuals, you know, and there's something, you know,
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  Speaker 1: there's something you kind of felt good about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just as an individual. Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Why would you say the Eagles struggle to run so
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  Speaker 2: much from a Jacksonville standpoint? What did Jacksonville do well?
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  Speaker 2: I know they have a great run defense anyway.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I would say, you know, the biggest
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  Speaker 1: issue to me was it wasn't that guys were getting beat.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was looking at it as, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I expected, but you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: when an offensive lineman gets beat, guys weren't getting beat,
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  Speaker 1: but they just weren't moving people, you know, and there's
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  Speaker 1: a difference. Like, Not moving people I don't view necessarily
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  Speaker 1: as a horrible negative, like, oh, my God, these guys
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  Speaker 1: can't play. But, you know, they weren't necessarily creating. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that Alouikin and Miller were really, really
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  Speaker 1: good at attacking downhill in the run game and making
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  Speaker 1: it hard, you know, when they were combination blocks to
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  Speaker 1: come off, you know, the double team or the combo
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  Speaker 1: block and get to them. They were already in the
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  Speaker 1: gaps at the first level of the defense. And so
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  Speaker 1: the gaps were there were no gaps. You know, it
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  Speaker 1: was just closed, you know. Now, I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: they had a beat on anything. You know, again, that's
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  Speaker 1: for all the tape I watch. I certainly don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: Teams have, you know, 10 guys looking at that on
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  Speaker 1: one person. I don't know that. You know, but it
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  Speaker 1: just seemed like those guys filled so quickly and literally
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  Speaker 1: took away the gaps.
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  Speaker 3: On majors, did you feel like the lack of length?
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  Speaker 3: was a little bit of a problem for him.
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  Speaker 1: Like it was. Yeah. I mean, I think on both guys,
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  Speaker 1: I think that that's ultimately, you know, the concern as
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  Speaker 1: you go forward, because I think initially when they make contact,
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  Speaker 1: they're good at them, but they were, but then they,
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  Speaker 1: and they fought and they, you know, say what you
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  Speaker 1: want about Lampkin, that kid just battles. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: is a, he's a, that's probably one of the reasons
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody likes him because he just freaking battles, but, but,
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  Speaker 1: they don't move people. They, they, they stop them. They don't,
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  Speaker 1: they don't get beat. You know, where you go, my God,
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  Speaker 1: look at him get beat, but they don't move people. Gotcha.
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  Speaker 2: Greg, they obviously got some big plays in the passing
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  Speaker 2: game in the first half. Of course, another touchdown for
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  Speaker 2: Darius Cooper, who we are joking has one of the
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  Speaker 2: best touchdown to catch rates you're ever going to see
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. And then the second half came and
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  Speaker 2: I think there were a variety of things, you know,
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  Speaker 2: they started to get behind the sticks. There were some
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  Speaker 2: bad snaps. Like you said, there were some, bad screens
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  Speaker 2: and everything, but in general, what do you attribute from
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  Speaker 2: watching the tape to just another second half malaise too?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, you know, I think that the Jaguars
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  Speaker 1: started to be a little more aggressive, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: their pressures. You know, there were a couple of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the thing is the second half to me just had
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  Speaker 1: the feel of them not really having the ball a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Now they may have, but it just watching the tape,
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  Speaker 1: And actually, I got home and I saw, I think,
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  Speaker 1: the last quarter and a half on TV. And it
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  Speaker 1: was one of those games. And obviously, you guys watched
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  Speaker 1: it because you had to do your postgame. It had
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  Speaker 1: a very odd feel to it to me. Like, it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't where I felt watching it. And even watching the
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  Speaker 1: tape where I thought, oh, my God, this offense stinks. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it just felt like they were just individual
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  Speaker 1: plays that I felt, you know, they didn't. They didn't execute.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there was a great example where, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I thought that here when it was third and 13
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  Speaker 1: late in the third quarter and the Jaguars went zero
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  Speaker 1: at a dime and Hurts just overthrows Wicks. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, that ball wasn't overthrown by five yards. You know,
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  Speaker 1: that ball was overthrown by probably a yard, you know,
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  Speaker 1: plays like that, that would have been a touchdown, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Then there was another play, and I thought this was
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  Speaker 1: just good defense by the Jags. It was third and
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  Speaker 1: 10 on the first fourth quarter possession. They showed a
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  Speaker 1: zero look pre-snap at a dime. So then Church changed
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  Speaker 1: the play, saw a zero. And then what they did
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  Speaker 1: is they changed the picture post-snap to cover to invert,
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  Speaker 1: and he had changed the play basically to a wide
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  Speaker 1: receiver screen, and a wide receiver screen is not what
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  Speaker 1: you want to call into a cover two corner sitting
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  Speaker 1: right there. So, you know, there were individual plays where
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  Speaker 1: it just– they got beat. And because there was no
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  Speaker 1: run game and no stability and continuity to their offense,
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  Speaker 1: it came down to individual plays. And I'm not a
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  Speaker 1: believer in that. I mean, I know a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are, oh, you have to call a great play. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to me, you have to have some kind
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  Speaker 1: of sustainability to your offense and continuity and stability to
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  Speaker 1: your offense. And there was none of that in the
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  Speaker 1: second half.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's become such a repetitive recurring issue, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles failures on third down that People start to look
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  Speaker 2: for reasons that are less obvious than what we keep
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  Speaker 2: talking about. It's not a third down issue for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: It is a first and second down issue. I'll give
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  Speaker 2: you all the third downs we had in the second half.
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  Speaker 2: There was that third and three. That was makeable, right?
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  Speaker 2: Then third and nine, third and 10, third and eight,
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  Speaker 2: third and 13, third and 10, third and nine, third
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  Speaker 2: and 20.
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  Speaker 1: Okay? You can't play like that. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So it is a first. And then part of that
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  Speaker 2: is not all on the passing game. Part of it
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  Speaker 2: is on their inability to run the ball. That is
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  Speaker 2: going to put you behind the sticks. And then you
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  Speaker 2: get into– I thought the high snaps were all in
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  Speaker 2: the second half, if I'm not mistaken, from majors. And
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  Speaker 2: there were some penalties and bad play too.
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  Speaker 3: What was interesting was that they were really good on
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  Speaker 3: third down the first half, 4-6.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hertz, for what he can do because he was under siege,
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  Speaker 3: was fairly comfortable. And then it's just like when you're
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  Speaker 3: playing with backups– eventually that's, it's going to show. And
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  Speaker 3: Greg just outlined some of the mistakes that aren't caught
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  Speaker 3: by our eyes of television.
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  Speaker 1: It's funny when you look at them because, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're third down numbers, you know, let's say third and
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  Speaker 1: long for instance. Okay. Third and seven plus, which is
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  Speaker 1: what is often considered long. I mean, you know, they're,
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  Speaker 1: they're not good, but they're not terrible. You know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're actually 10th in the league on third and seven
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  Speaker 1: plus in terms of conversion rate. So it's a very
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  Speaker 1: odd mix. You know, we know they were terrible the
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  Speaker 1: week prior, but, you know, if you go third and
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  Speaker 1: seven plus, they're 28% conversion rate, which is 10th best
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  Speaker 1: in the league. So it's a very odd, you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's a hard thing to figure out. Mm-hmm. It is hard.
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  Speaker 2: And I think it's multifaceted. There are a lot of issues.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, there's never one thing. I mean, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: always like to look at one thing, but it's never
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  Speaker 1: just one thing. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I guess this is a tough question, right? I
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  Speaker 2: know people are sort of having a difficult time just
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  Speaker 2: in their overall evaluation of a quarterback when the entire
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  Speaker 2: environment around him isn't great. So I know you take
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  Speaker 2: that into account when you watch the tape, even though
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  Speaker 2: the tape is the tape. The environment has to be
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  Speaker 2: factored in. How'd you feel Jalen played?
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  Speaker 1: I don't think he played poorly at all. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 1: Jalen at this point in his career has played a
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  Speaker 1: lot of football games. So there's, it's not likely he's
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  Speaker 1: going to be a different quarterback than he was a
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  Speaker 1: year ago or two years ago. You know, I get
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  Speaker 1: asked this, you know, it's a week to week thing
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  Speaker 1: with a lot of people like, you know, radio shows
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  Speaker 1: when I do stuff, people ask me, well, so-and-so regressed.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, what do you mean regressed? Do
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  Speaker 1: you think he's different than he was last week? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, to me, that's, I don't know how to
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  Speaker 1: answer that question because it's not, they're not different players.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, oftentimes a system can help them.
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  Speaker 1: Oftentimes the flow of a game can help them. You know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously Jeff and you made a great point. If you're
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  Speaker 1: facing all these third and longs, There's the playbook becomes
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  Speaker 1: shrunk and very limited, you know, you know, but Jalen
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  Speaker 1: hurts is not different than he was two weeks ago
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  Speaker 1: or even last year. He's the same player, you know?
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  Speaker 1: So does he have a really refined natural sense of anticipation? No.
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  Speaker 1: Is he ever likely to be that guy? No, but
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  Speaker 1: there's things he does well. I mean, he made some
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  Speaker 1: really good throws in this game. You know, I thought
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  Speaker 1: he threw, I think it was, 19 yards to Wicks.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that was in the second half, a
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  Speaker 1: really good out out ball on an out cut with
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  Speaker 1: really good coverage by Travis Hunter. I mean, he made
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  Speaker 1: a great throw. I mean, yeah, I don't think he,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I think it'd be a mistake to say
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  Speaker 1: that they didn't score a touchdown in the second half
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  Speaker 1: because of Jalen hurts. I agree.
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  Speaker 2: Adam and I made the point that if, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with the injuries, if that's Devante Smith, instead of Wicks
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  Speaker 2: lining up at that spot on that, on that all
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  Speaker 2: out blitz, the zero blitz, then you might have a
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  Speaker 2: touchdown there because he's a little, he's, he's faster.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, look, I know that, you know, Cooper
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  Speaker 1: obviously really beat the, the Brown kid off the ball
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  Speaker 1: on the touchdown and he saw it right away and
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: made a, you know, put it right on him so
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: he could run after catch. I mean, he wasn't the reason,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, again, the numbers in
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: the second half weren't good, but you know, you hit
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: upon that, Jeff, there's reasons for that. It's, you know,
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: it's always easy to say that, you know, they don't
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: have a lot of dimensions in their past game. If
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: Devonta Smith is not there and, and, and Smith, I
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: love Devonta Smith. We all do. And he can get vertical.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: No question. He's not a burner in a strict sense,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: but he certainly can get vertical. They don't have that
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: dimension right now. They don't. So, you know, it's, it's,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: it limits what you can do in your past game.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Jeff, I'd say this to the first game. Yeah, I
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: was just going to say the first two games, guys,
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I thought that Hurts, in terms of timing, is the
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: best I'd seen him in I don't know how many seasons.
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: There were some good– on the show that we do
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: with you, Greg, we showed it. Like that's a really
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: good timing throw. But his entire career has never shown
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: the consistency with timing.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: That's not who he is. What's that? That's not who
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: he is. I get it.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is we saw something really nice
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: the first two weeks. We go, wow, okay, let's see
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: what happens. Then you saw it fall off. In this game,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: some good throws. And then there were some protection problems.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: There were a couple where he just held it. I
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: think Kurt Warner pointed it out. There's some times you
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: got to turn it loose. He perceived pressure sometimes.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, in a strict sense. And again, this
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: is just a discussion of Jalen Hurts. And I hope
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: people listening, this is a valid discussion of Jalen Hurts.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: And I hope people who listen understand that that's what
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: I do. You know, this is, you know, I get
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: it all the time on social media. You know, everybody
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: takes it personally. This is just a discussion of who
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts is. Jalen Hurts is not, as I said,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: a true refined timing anticipation player. Jalen Hurts is not
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: necessarily someone who will turn it loose if windows are tight.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: You know, someone like Kurt Warner who did the game,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: he was that guy. You know, there's quarterbacks who are
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: those guys. You know, Jalen has other attributes that let's
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: say Kurt Warner didn't have. But Jalen is not the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: kind of guy that, you know, is, is just a natural, Hey,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: I'm going to just turn it loose. Right.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: You know, I like the way you say that, how
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it's not, it's not natural because we do show times
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: where he does it, but those are times where they're
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: just not always consistent, like 10 times a game. Cause
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: it's not natural for him. There are times he's able
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: to do it, but then there.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: Are times where he doesn't. To be honest with you,
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: you know, talking to Greg and Jaws for 20 some
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: odd years, watching tape with you guys, you would point
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: out so many things with Brady Manning, and the greats,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: and the guys who are just a hair off or not,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: they just don't have it inborn to them, throwing time
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: all the time. It's hard. It's hard for coaches to
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: get them to do it.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I heard Carson Palmer talk, and I know
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, and I've talked to him over the years.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And he was asked in something I saw with him
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: not too long ago, and he said, what's the one
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: trait you cannot teach a quarterback? He didn't miss a beat,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: and he said anticipation. And, you know, Carson Palmer had
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: it at a very high level and there are guys
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: that do, you know, but that's a hard thing to teach.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: You can talk about it, but you know, when you're playing,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you either see it that way or you don't see
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: it that way. I mean, it's, you know, that's the
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: way it is. Yeah.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: But Greg, Carson Palmer didn't win anything. So you're an idiot.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I'm just preparing you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: For social media. Well, no, and that's true.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: I'm just preparing you for tomorrow's social media barrage, okay?
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: What has he ever won, man?
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Right, so I accept that. Yes, I'm an idiot.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: All right, let's look at some– Trent Dilfer is better
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: because he won a Super Bowl.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Right, that's right. That's right. That was good, Jeff. That
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: was very good.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I like to help you out and prepare you.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: I love that. I love that.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Let's talk about, I think, a throw that you've already
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: referenced that was good. It was third and eight in
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the second quarter where Hertz goes to Wicks for 10
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: yards on third and eight. And I really want to
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: bring this up because you made a note to point
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: out the number of times the Eagles decided to go
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: spread empty.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, they did. I think first three out of four
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: third downs, they went empty. Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: And do you think that that was a response to the,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: how much teams have been mugging them up and trying
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: to come out and give them more answers?
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, look, theoretically, when you go empty, the quarterback
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: can see it's, you know, better and defenses do have
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: to spread. Some don't, some will say, Hey, you know,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: we're going after the quarterback, but you know, a lot
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: of times defenses will spread out, you know, and, and,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: and therefore they don't pressure. But on this one, they did.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And this is the one where they had a free hitter, right?
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And see, this is a case where Rick Wicks read
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: it too. You know, this wasn't just Jalen reading it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Wicks had to read this too. So the guy over
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Wicks becomes a free hitter. And you'll see it right there.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Now look at Wicks turn right around. I mean, you
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: got to do that. I mean, how many times have
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: we seen, not just with the Eagles, but I see
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it all the time where something like this will happen
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: and receivers just run their routes and the quarterback has
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: nowhere to throw the ball. And then people blame the quarterback.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Good job by Wicks.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: He also gave him a hand signal. I didn't have
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it there. I probably cut it. But he had given
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: him a hand signal before the snap. He knew that
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: guy was coming and that he was going to be
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: the free rusher.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: You know, like these are important plays in games. I mean,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I know they lost, but those are important plays. They're
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: not explosive plays that people see on, you know, highlight
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: shows over and over again. But those are the plays
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you've got to make. Right.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Now we're going to look at a two-play sequence where
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I think Hurts– I'm going to assume you're going to
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: say he should have thrown the ball somewhere. We'll talk
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: about it. But then on the very next throw, he
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: comes back and makes a really nice one. This is
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: second and 10 in the third quarter where he winds
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: up throwing incomplete to Ertz, Greg.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, this was the one where he had wicks on
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: the bender versus quarters on second and 10? Yeah. Like
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: this is a throw you got to make.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. What happens here? Let's describe it in motion.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's to the right. I believe it's to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: the right side, right? Yes. Yeah. So this is quarters coverage.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: It's his own concept. And so what happens is, see,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: right now, look at the defender. I'm trying to let
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: the audience know which defender I'm looking at. It's the
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: defender who starts on the hash closest to us. That's
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: the way the audience will see it, correct? On the
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: hash closest to us?
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Yep, they see what you see, yep.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, so look at the defender on the hash closest
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: to us. Okay, the ball snapped. Look how he turns
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: his body. So right now, he can't play anything behind
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: him and inside of him. Just body position. And by
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the way, that's how quarterbacks are often taught. It's body position.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So right now, because he knows he has Ertz occupying
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: the mic in the middle of the field, when Wicks
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: runs the bender right behind, in the NFL, that's wide open.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: You've got to make that throw.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: You've got to make that throw.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I'm almost positive in week one against Washington, they ran
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: a similar kind of play and we showed him making
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: the throw there. You've got to.
• 22:28
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  Speaker 2: So that actually set up this next play, which is
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: third and 10, and Hertz makes a much better read
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and throw on it. This is, I think you talked
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: about it, to Wicks, right, for 18 yards?
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Is this the third and 10? This is the well-designed
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: man-beater concept versus cover one robber out of dime?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: That is correct.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Stack alignment with the natural rub. Yep. If you look
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: up top, it's a stack element. They've got the natural rub.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: They're going to end up changing the picture to cover
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: one robber. And you can see it. And they've got Cooper, essentially,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: the natural rub element. You can see it up top.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: That's where everybody's eye should go up top. It's a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: natural rub. And then Wicks goes right inside. And the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: timing is there. You see him. He just hits his
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: back foot and falls out.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: That's what you just said right there. Hits the back foot,
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the ball is out.
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Decisive. Absolutely.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Made decisive.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: You can't be late on that because you got a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: robber player. If you wait an extra beat, then the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: robber comes into play. Right.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: And then this one is, I've already forgotten what I
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: got here. They were in spread. I wanted to show
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: them again.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Look at Lampkin. Hold up.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: That's impressive.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's what we– thank you.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: This was a Lampkin– This was.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: The pass interference, the DPI on Hunter against Wicks. I mean,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: this is– Touchdown.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: Competing. Watch him get low man wins. Watch him get low.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: It's incredible.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Look at Lampkin.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: That guy is– Lampkin did a great job here. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: made that point in my notes. This was a play
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: where he did an unbelievably great job. Look at him.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: He stones him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: We're going to look at it from the other angle, too.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And by the way, that's Trevon Walker.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Is it not? It's Trevon Walker.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: As you told us in the pregame, he lines up
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: inside a lot.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I told you that. Yep.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: There he is at the three technique position.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: Look at that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Look at that building a house right there from.
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: The lower body. See, now this was a good throw
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: by Hertz. I mean, obviously, if he's not held, that's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: probably an easy touchdown. But there's a lot of bodies there.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: So this was an example where he made a window throw.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: That was a good throw.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: Right. All right, so that penalty puts them right inside
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the five. And two plays later, we're going to see
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: another Lampkin and Majors block here for the touchdown.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, this was a really good block by Lampkin.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Willie, and he finished it.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, on that previous play, and
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I had this conversation, I've had this conversation with personnel people.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: The one thing that's very hard to determine when you
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: watch college quarterbacks, and I just thought of it with
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: that throw, is– What's the difference between anticipation and predetermination? See,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of times you can have a play where, hey,
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: this guy's the primary. So the quarterback is throwing it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: there literally for, you know, when he takes a snap. Right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: And if it ends up being where there's a window
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: or he's open, you go, wow, what anticipation? But that
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: might have been where he's going no matter what. And
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: you know what? It happened to be open. So is
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: that anticipation or was, hey, that's the play. And the guy,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know, and it was there.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Kind of like an RPO slant, right?
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Right. That's a very hard thing when you're evaluating college
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks to try to figure out the difference between predetermination
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: and true anticipation.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Right. All right. This is the end zone view of
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Lampkin on that block.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he does a great job here.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I also thought Majors was really fighting hard there on
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: that block.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at him.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's finishing that thing all the way to
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: the end zone.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: When you're in interior alignment and it took me– a
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: couple of years when I first really started evaluating to
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: learn this, because I always, I started out thinking, Oh,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: let me see if they're athletes. And what I learned,
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: you know, after a couple of years, probably because I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was slow in learning it, but I learned for the
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman, it's not a beauty contest, man. You
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: just got to battle. You got to battle. Exactly. You know,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: and the guy who really taught me that, and you
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: might remember this guy, there was an, an offensive guard
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: who came out of North Carolina named John Cooper. Remember
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: John Cooper? John Cooper.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Wait, first round pick.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: He was a top 10 pick, I believe. Yes.
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: I remember watching tape with you and you're pointing this.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: He tripped by the Cardinals, was it?
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe. I forget. But he was literally a dancing bear
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: at offensive guard. And I was like, wow, this guy
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: is just a superhero.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Big time college player. Isn't he coaching now somewhere?
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: He could be. But he just didn't play. Not because
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: he didn't try. I don't want people to think I'm
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: saying he didn't try. He just didn't have the physicality
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: and that crazy competitiveness that you need inside. And sometimes
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: that's what it's about. You know, it's not about looking
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: pretty when you're playing center and guard.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Well, Greg, I mean, he didn't live up to being
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: a first pack. Well, what do you know? Why are
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: you taking advice from that guy?
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: How many rings does he have anyway?
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: This is the touchdown, Greg. And I still, maybe you
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: can diagnose. I'm not, other than the long touchdown to Cooper. Yeah,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: other than the safety kind of getting caught out of position,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I was shocked. I talked about how do you allow
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: this on third and 10 if you're the Jags, but
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: Ahead. Well, this actually took place in the first half, right? Yes. Yeah,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: so they went cover one robber. So what happened is
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: it's not a matter of being out of position, Jeff.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: If you run this, it's the safety to that side
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: is becoming a robber, so there's no safety involved in
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: this on an outside throw whatsoever. So he just beat
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: him off the ball. Cooper just beat him right off
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: the ball. And, you know, the safety is not going
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: to get there because he's coming from he's rotating into
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: the deep middle from the opposite hash all the way
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  Speaker 1: on the side of the field.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I was expecting too much from him that that's.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not necessarily poor safety play. He's all the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: way on the other side of it. Now you can
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: sit here and say, could he should he have maybe
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: made a tackle? That's a different question, but he's not
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: going to impact the throw.
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  Speaker 2: All right, that's fair. Then we can just appreciate a
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: nice stacking here.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: By the way, Jalen read this. Jalen read that the
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: safety is rotated. It always reminds me, and Adam will
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: remember this, the way Jaws always said best located safety.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: He sees that that safety is all the way on
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: the other side of the field. And, yes, he's rotating,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: but he's not going to get outside the numbers to
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the other side of the field.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Cooper beat the coverage very early in the route.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: So Jalen saw it and he got it out.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: But I think Jalen– rightly so, was going to throw
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: this no matter what because Cooper's the throw here. Because
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you have a middle robber, a middle hole robber, so
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: you're not going to work inside.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: Jeff, you know what I loved is he was actually
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: not reduced. He was truly outside anyone.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as a plus split.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: That is a huge deal because we didn't know that
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: about Cooper. We're trying to figure out what he is
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: because they need someone to make him play. Yeah. He
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: deserves more playing time.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: All right, the second half.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Is this the play where– this was the play where
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: they rotated. It looks empty, and then they rotated to
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: cover two, right? Isn't this the play?
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so is this one of your examples of Jaguars
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: do something good, but at the same time the Eagles don't?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Because it looks like the receivers ran into each other
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: on the screen.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Well, what happened here is Jalen– look, right now it
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: looks zero. I mean, that's what it looks like. You know,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: can't blame Jalen. It looks zero. So he changed the
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: play to a wide receiver screen, figuring that, you know what,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: we– we'll block it up and you know, we'll get there.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: But they, so what he changed it. And then what
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: happened is, is that you have a, you have a
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: flat player, a corner who's a flat player and that's Lewis.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: So he's just, he blows it up. I mean, it's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: good defense, you know, the defense one, you know, Anthony
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Campanelli beat Jalen on that play. It happens, you know,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: it's the NFL. It happens.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: So this next play is a sack, and again, this
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: came at a terrible time for the Eagles. I believe
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: they had a positive play before it. No, they didn't.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It was second and 10, but they weren't keeping their
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: own end zone.
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: Was this the Johnson-Walker sack on second and 10 later
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter?
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I couldn't tell if there was a pass
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: pro mishap. I'm going to let you diagnose it.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Well, this is very interesting, okay? Do you have this
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: from the end zone?
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: If we have it from the end zone, I can
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: walk people through it, okay? Because I know exactly what happened.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I do. Let's look at it from
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the aerial view first.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It'll be easier to explain for the audience. If I
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: show it from the, if we, if I explain it
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: from the end zone, okay. Freeze right here. Okay. So
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: since the audience is seeing what I'm seeing, look on
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: the right side of the screen, you have two defensive
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: linemen and then you've got a Lukan. Okay. You see,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: everybody can see that, right? So now what the Eagles
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: have here is starting with majors, the left guard and
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the left tackle and, they're going to be responsible for
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: those three. Okay, the two-eye, a Lewakin, and the wide nine.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: So you got three to block three, okay? Now on
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: the other side, the way it looks right now, you
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: think there's three to block three. You have the right
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: guard Steen versus the three technique. You've got the right
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: tackle Bell with the wide nine. And you've got the back,
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: who I believe is Pierce, looking at number six, okay?
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: And that's Antonio Johnson, okay? They're probably in there dying.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I think it's Johnson six. Is he six? Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I believe so, yeah.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: So right now, so who's the wild card here? The
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: wild card's 51. But 51 is on the side of
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: the other three versus three. So you're uncertain as to
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: what he's going to do. Now, Pierce can't block both
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: those guys. So Jalen Hurts, if both of those guys come,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Jalen has to be responsible for one of them.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And guess what?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Would I explain clear?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: You think people are going to get it? Is that clear?
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: So now they both come. Now, the fact that two
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: guys drop out on the other side is irrelevant. You
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: can't change the protection in the middle of the play.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: So all you can do is maybe some guys can react,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: but you can't change the actual protection scheme. Correct. So now,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: since 51 is going to come basically crossing the center
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: to the other side. Mm-hmm. You know, Pierce, I think
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: Pierce picks up the wrong guy, but that's, I don't
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: know how they, because I think he has to pick
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: up the guy closest to the quarterback.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: That's what I thought too.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: And that would be six. Yeah. But they can't, the
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: point is the protection can't block both guys. Right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So there's going to be a free rusher either way.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I would have thought he would pick up the one
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: that was quicker to the quarterback.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yes. So I think he picked up the wrong guy
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: and maybe Jalen felt that he was going to pick
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: up six. So I'm not going to blame Jalen, but
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the bottom line is you can't pick up both guys. Yeah.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: And then Bell just gets beat. That's just a one-on-one thing.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: He just gets beat.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Honestly, I thought it was a really smart scheme
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  Speaker 2: kind of like what the second half looked like for
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the Eagles. There was a lot of Good scheming on
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Jacksonville's part, unable for the Eagles to run the ball
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: and move it, and then being in those kind of–
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: those plays can only happen, really, theoretically, when you're in
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: third and longs. You're giving the defense a chance to
• 37:24
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• 37:25
  Speaker 1: I think the wrap-up point, Jeff, and you kind of
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: hit this and we talked about it as well throughout
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: this offensive session, is when you can't run the ball
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: and there's no continuity to your offense, everything comes down
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: to a play here and a play there because there's
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: no rhythm to your offense. So if those play here
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and play there don't work in your favor, it makes
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: it look like the offense is really bad. Right. Because
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: there's no continuity. There's nothing, you know, you know, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: think that's clear. You know, there's no, yeah, there's no,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: there were no second and threes, you know, there was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: nowhere where the playbooks open and you can kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want. Yes. Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Well, listen, by the time we do this next show,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we may be talking about a Devante Smith return. We
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: may be talking about, a Saquon Barkley return. We might
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: be talking about either a Kendall or a Landon Dickerson return.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: I have a hard time thinking we're going to be
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: talking about fewer options because the Eagles are at rock bottom.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Don't jinx them.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: We'll knock on wood that when we diagnose the game
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: against the Panthers next weekend, that at least they had
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: some more offensive power to give us a better evaluation.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: That's going to do it for this episode of Inside
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: the Tape on Inside the Birds for Greg Cosell and
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: Adam Kaplan. I'm Jeff Mosher. Make sure you catch our
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: defense version on the next one.