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Conference Finals Preview, Debate, & Picks! NY vs Indy Rivalry Renewed! OKC Overrated Betting Odds? · The Rope A Dope Radio Podcast

• 0:02
  Speaker 1: NBA basketball fans, Welcome back to the NBA Playoff Banter Podcast.
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: He's Marshall Lump Chris and we're here to talk about
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: the Eastern and Western Conference Finals. We finally are here.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: We got a very interesting matchup in the West. Although
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: when you look at the betting odds, not just for
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Game one, but the series, I mean, Vegas thinks that
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: it might be a gentleman sweep or something. I mean,
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: the way they are tough, you know, the way it's listed,
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: it's pretty intense, like it's a seventy thirty, seventy five
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  Speaker 1: to twenty five in favor of OKC. Obviously, you know,
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: being from Minnesota, that kind of rubs me the wrong
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: way a little bit, but you know, it is what
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: it is. In fact, kind of like the fact that
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: we're major underdogs going into this series because that's when
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: they play better. And of course we're bringing back the nineties,
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: the Knicks, the Pacers. Man talk about remembering stuff from
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: your youth. We're gonna break down both series. We'll start
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: with a little bit of recap. Obviously, we got a
• 1:19
  Speaker 1: Game seven yesterday that started out very interesting and then
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: before long, really at halftime it was pretty much done.
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: Gordon played. Didn't look like he was gonna be able
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: to play based off the reports, but he did play,
• 1:34
  Speaker 1: so well. We'll talk a little bit about that and
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  Speaker 1: and you know some of the closeout series. Obviously the
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: Knicks moved on, and we'll talk about that. The the
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: the Knicks fans after the after the game, we're going
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  Speaker 1: crazy in the streets. Man, and there was a couple
• 1:49
  Speaker 1: of Pacer fans that was like getting garbage bags thrown
• 1:52
  Speaker 1: at him. So it was pretty wild. Actually, I think
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  Speaker 1: Haliburton's gonna invite one of those guys to a home game,
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  Speaker 1: so we will. We will preview and predict both sides
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: of the Conference Conference Finals, and uh yeah, then then
• 2:07
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  Speaker 1: let's get into some of this. Oops. So Marshall, first
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  Speaker 1: and foremost, how the hell are you doing? And second
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  Speaker 1: of all, Man, we do have some interesting stuff to
• 3:36
  Speaker 1: talk about when it comes to the conference finals. Man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about these matchups. I kind of think that
• 3:45
  Speaker 1: and we'll get into this later in the show obviously,
• 3:47
  Speaker 1: but I kind of think that OKAC clearly should be
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: the favorite, but I think they're a little too much
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  Speaker 1: the favorite, but that could just be me being biased. Man, So,
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: so how are you doing? First and foremost? And we'll
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: get into this. Uh, you know basically how we got
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: here in the last series, start with Game seven.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: Uh, life is good, man, because golf seasons around the corner.
• 4:10
  Speaker 2: Being a teacher and a coach, I get about two
• 4:12
  Speaker 2: months of freedom to golf. So I've got to point
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  Speaker 2: out Chris, where like, my handicap keeps getting lower and lower,
• 4:18
  Speaker 2: but now it's the play where I can't get any
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: more lower. Yeah, you can shoot like high nineties, now,
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: low nineties, now mid eight now this mid eighties thing, Like,
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  Speaker 2: I guess I gotta work a lot harder. Now this
• 4:31
  Speaker 2: shit's getting tough. But hey, golf season's around, and life
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  Speaker 2: is good man. For basketball, you know, realistically, man, we've
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  Speaker 2: had a pretty good run to where it's either been
• 4:40
  Speaker 2: my team or your team. We support us being the
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  Speaker 2: Warriors or Wolves. Now for the past ten years repping
• 4:46
  Speaker 2: the Western Conference finals, we've had a pre good run.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously I don't think my Warriors are gonna be
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: shown up there and again anytime too soon. But your
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: Wolves have the DNA now, so at least we're we're
• 4:57
  Speaker 2: talking about teams we love in the show, which makes
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  Speaker 2: a little more fun.
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  Speaker 1: And I noticed that you said conference finals because you know,
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  Speaker 1: we have yet to move on to any kind of finals,
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  Speaker 1: and putting those two in the same sentence, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I go there, but yeah, I know what
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: you're saying. I do know what you're saying. Yeah, It's
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: been a great playoff run in general for my timorros,
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: but just in general. First two rounds very fun, especially
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: like the first part of the of the second round.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: We did get a game seven and it looked pretty
• 5:33
  Speaker 1: shaky for the OKC Thunder In the first part. It
• 5:38
  Speaker 1: was like maybe twenty four to ten or so. It
• 5:42
  Speaker 1: was like, whoa, what is going on with them? Even
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: when they're shooting, it just looks like they're nervous. It
• 5:48
  Speaker 1: didn't look all that good. But to their credit, by halftime,
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  Speaker 1: they had kind of really opened up on the you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of limping in a sense for nuggets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I was really surprised, and I was
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: in Kansas City for the weekend, so I was having
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit of fun. But even my fun mode
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: was like, I was surprised when Aaron Gordon played because
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: you saw the ESPN ticker saying dude had like a
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: second degree hamstring pull, and then you see him out there, right,
• 6:22
  Speaker 2: and they're saying Yokachi even told him for the games, like, dude,
• 6:25
  Speaker 2: you don't got to play, you know, And I respect
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: that for going out there. But that's one of those things.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: Were like, damn injuries. It literally almost every year. Maybe
• 6:34
  Speaker 2: like those first couple of years, injuries weren't quite as bad.
• 6:38
  Speaker 2: It was like, obviously Lebron was special and Curry never
• 6:41
  Speaker 2: really got hurt. So we had maybe our first couple
• 6:43
  Speaker 2: of shows, Chris and we've done this NBA playoff banter.
• 6:46
  Speaker 2: It wasn't super injury probe, but for the past like
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: four to five years, injuries really have dictated who's won
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: the title. And it's no reason to excuse or bitch
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  Speaker 2: because every team seems to have they're good and bad
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  Speaker 2: at it. But man, injury, it's just it almost is
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  Speaker 2: a battle of conditioning and strength just as much a skill.
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: Now obviously some teams brether than others, but it's can
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  Speaker 2: your team survive the grind of the regular season be
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: healthy in the playoffs because if you can't, well, tough shit.
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: Obviously wish Boston found out unfortunately, But you know, like
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: the skill set does matter at all this, but can
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: your team survive, just get through these playoffs. And obviously
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: I still think okay See probably won Game seven. But
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: the trends here Eric Gordon was having in the playoff run,
• 7:33
  Speaker 2: like without him healthy that first quarter, they won the
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: first quarter, which I didn't like because I bet okay
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: See won the first quarter. But you know, it's just
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: a battle of strength. And Jo Kich I think got
• 7:44
  Speaker 2: a little more tired of ward down than were used
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  Speaker 2: to seeing him, too, because the news put a lot
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  Speaker 2: on his shoulders. But yeah, and okay See, if for all,
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  Speaker 2: I don't follow them super close sleep, but frocking tell
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  Speaker 2: they've been really healthy so part of the playoffs, Chris,
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  Speaker 2: which makes huge difference compared to you know, John Morant,
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  Speaker 2: who they were up twenty seventy two, you know in
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  Speaker 2: the when they were playing up towy some points Game
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  Speaker 2: three versus oks and he busts his wrist and come
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  Speaker 2: back to win. So the the injury bug is stayed
• 8:12
  Speaker 2: away from Okse so far, which is one of the
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  Speaker 2: reasons that they're not the main well, but a huge
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: reason's helped them.
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could say the same thing you know
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  Speaker 1: about Minnesota, and uh, yeah, it happens. I mean even
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  Speaker 1: maybe like, well, we know Curry and Lebron made it
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  Speaker 1: many years without a major injury that had him have
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: to leave the game and series for good, right, but
• 8:37
  Speaker 1: there were plenty of injuries involved just in general then too.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: But you're right, the you know, maybe that's the parody
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: has a lot to do with it, the second apron.
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: As long as it stays that way, we'll have something
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: to do with it. Will the owner? Like Denver, I
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: think the owner has something to do with you know,
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: you could maybe say, at least he could have kept
• 9:00
  Speaker 1: one of those guys. I'm not saying. Okay, maybe Brown,
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: even though Brown was a closer, really yeah, team he
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: came off the bench, but he closed a lot of games,
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  Speaker 1: and he was a big offensive spark for them and
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: a guy who could take it to the rock and
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  Speaker 1: make shots. But maybe if he, you know, you kept
• 9:17
  Speaker 1: KCP or you know whatever, like one of the three
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: that they lost. I think that would have helped too.
• 9:25
  Speaker 1: I think that plays into it. But either way, we
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: are now for sure, we for sure know now it's
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: gonna be seven years in a row with a new champ.
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: That's good sport it is, and also like it's crazy
• 9:40
  Speaker 1: because you know, Okay, see there they do count the
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: Sonics championship from way back when, and kind of they do,
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: but not really, you know, because it's not but it
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: was the team that moved there. So that's different. You know,
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: it is a little different because the Lakers count our
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: you know, Minneapolis Lakers, they count those, you know, but
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: that was the team. It wasn't a new franchise like
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: the Timberwolves is a brand new franchise, that's why, or
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: not brand new, but it was and that's why it
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: doesn't count. But you know, the Knicks haven't as far
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  Speaker 1: as them though. Only the Knicks have won a championship
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: out of these teams, you know, so that's pretty cool too.
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.
• 10:33
  Speaker 1: And it's been since the seventies since they'd won it,
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: so it's been a long ass time. And we know,
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: you know, it had been since two thousand since they've
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: been to a conference final, dude. So I mean that's
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: freaking crazy, dude. Like even the Timberwolves and all the
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: struggles they had made one since two thousand, you know
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: that two thousand and three, two thousand and four, but
• 10:56
  Speaker 1: kind of going back even that game six, the I'll
• 11:00
  Speaker 1: call it the Struthers game where he just this dude
• 11:03
  Speaker 1: just went off in that Denver OKC win Okay See
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: one back to back games one, four and five. I
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: thought they held him really good, like it was let's see.
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: So in games four and five in the fourth quarters
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: right Thunder out scored the Nuggets sixty three to thirty seven.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: But in that game six, it was twelve to six
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: at the time, it was probably like five minutes left
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: and the Thunder had missed like twelve straight threes, and
• 11:36
  Speaker 1: it just wasn't looking good. And I gotta admit I
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: did on the show pick Denver. Some of it was
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: just to be different, but some of it I thought.
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: I was still wondering about Okac. But like I said yesterday,
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: the early goings were pretty scary if you're an okay
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: See fan. But since that, since a minute left in
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: the first co this is at the beginning of the third,
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: they went on a forty eight to twenty run and
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: they were up by eighteen at that point. So they
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: in late third when they were up eighty seven to
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: sixty five, it was sixteen to four. When it came
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: to turnovers, obviously, you know, not in favor of sure Denver.
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a big fan of Michael Porter junior,
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: but clearly he was hurt. You know, his shoulder was
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: all bandaged up. Yeah, shooter. He only averaged nine points.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: He shot thirty four percent from the from the three.
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: Now they owe him seventy nine point one million in
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: the last two years of his deal, so that's on
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: basically forty mili a year. But clearly having him at
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: least healthier. You know that there's time he'll get played
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: off the court defensively and Westbrook will play right. You
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: know that there's just times where he just Jackson, doesn't
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: do anything and you're kind of frustrated at him. But
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: there's also times, like in a seven game series, especially
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: where two maybe three games, he'll just go off. You know,
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: so I did think that, you know, I think that
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: played into it. We know, their depth was an issue
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: that kept putting in random dudes, you know, trying any
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: anything in then Westbrook. You know, he's the you know
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: that movie The Good, Bad and the Ugly. He's the great, good,
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: bad and ugly all mixed into you know, one batch.
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: You know, especially after bench, it's nice that you can
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: just sit him back down, but but they didn't really
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: have much of a choice, And overall, I thought he
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: was pretty good in the playoffs, but he definitely kind
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: of fell apart just like him and like you said,
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: as far as Jokic standards go, you know, it was
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: a pro any good series for him, but not like
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: his level, even though he's still like twenty eight and fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: And he finally started shooting threes like he normally did,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: which was I think it was thirty two percent or
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: whatever instead of what he was doing in that first series.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: And then this year he shot threes like at a
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: high high rate. But overall, the depth, it just it's
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: just not there. And and you know, back to back
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: seven game series you start to wear down obviously. Yeah,
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: and even though Okasee is young for the most part anyway,
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll see if beyond game one, if this
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: does affect them in the long term, both game plan
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: and just rest. We'll get to that in just a second.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: But you know, okay, see, you gotta give him credit.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: They they they did finish him off. It was getting
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: a little funky. They did lose their first game of
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: the series at home, and they ended up winning. So overall,
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: though you know, where does Denver go from here? Because
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: they got some decisions to make, not just on the roster,
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: but you know, they got a GM. They need a
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: GM and a head coach. Do you think they'll go
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: with Adamman? Just because in some people think they overachieved
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: from what they were. It did seem like their defense
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: got a little bit better. But I never really saw them,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you know, as a true contender to win a championship,
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: even though I did pick him, you know, in the
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: last or for this series.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and I guess they asked Jokic that
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: in the postgame pressure. Yes, Jay is kind of like, well,
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: if we're if we're built to win, why did we
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: win this year? You know, He's like, we still got
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: some work to do.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: And then he talked about his horses.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he wants to drink a lot of beer. So yeah,
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: for you, I see you, h you know, I I mean,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: if you have Jokic and and I mean and like
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: Gordon and Porter Junior, that's not that's not a bad core.
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, this has been a pretty damn good team
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: for the past five seven years.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: So lots of minutes together.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, but you know, I hear that Christian Bronck,
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you get like thirty million a year that I wouldn't
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: pay that dude.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I saw that dude, Like, I understand that dude who
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: said it's pretty good at setting the price. But who
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: in the fuck is gonna give him thirty mil? No
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: offense to that guy. He's a nice he's a nice
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: role player, but thirty mil.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: I if I'm Denver, if we're looking at.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't even give nas Reid thirty mil.
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, your cut ties save money. That that's definitely
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: a situation where you can say a lot of money.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: Like Porter Junior. Probably he ain't worth the forty million either, honestly,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: he for as random as practice. He is so shit. Uh.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: But hey, if you got sign.
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: Tim Connley made that I thought was wrong. Maybe you
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: should have signed and trade him.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, if you got Jokic and uh and Gordon, you
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: got a nucleus still just like the Greek freak, he's
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: gonna do his part almost every year and they're gonna
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: be a contender. So but you probably again, I I
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: either it would be a big mistake to kind of
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: pay Braun that money because that's taken away from hell.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Even as they say, like a like a mid tier
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: like veteran exception or something out or that, whatever lady
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: want to like, I'd rather bring in a true VET
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: that could be experienced and pay because look at what
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: the the Detroit Pistons did. Hey, you know that they
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: tried to uh during uh cunning Ham with a lot
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of good vets, And I don't think of the vets
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Detroit sign are making thirty mil. But I would love
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: a guy like a Hardaway or uh Beasley. Yeah who
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: I would. They could offer you just as much as
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: broad or relatively similar.
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I just that I saw that too,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: and I was like, what.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: But all it takes the one person to do it,
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: because hell, if you look at the way Philly constructed
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: their roster some of those I mean, I still remember
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: the day we did this podcast when we're like Tobias
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Harris got how much for Philly? You know, kind of
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: just start pan picking paying guys too. But I mean,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: I know sometimes it's like you need to pay the
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: money to get a guy because you need the guy,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: which you have to outbid a person because that's how
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the stock market works. Sold this free agency, but it
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: can come back to biting the ass too if you
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: start bidding people that you really are the only one
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: you're the only one bid in the race, So like,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: what are you doing?
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Doc? You know? Yeah, And this year it's like there
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: could be a couple of free agents that get vastly
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: overpaid because there's not a lot of free agents that
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: really excites you. And so sometimes it's like it's kind
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: of like in the NFL, where like, Okay, the best
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: cornerback in the free agency is not even a top
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: eight best cornerback, but they're gonna get the money like
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: they are because that's what it is. So but I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: think a lot of this stuff's gonna be signed in
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: trade or just trade, like gi honest, Like, I think
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a lot of the the excitement is gonna be free
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: agency wise that way, trades instead of free agentcy because
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of people don't have a ton of money
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: and they already kind of have their plans. And I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: just don't I don't know. I don't know, are is
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Washington gonna give him thirty milers? Like I'm just trying
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: to think of a bad team, Like I don't know,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: even though my Wolves have a problem with Washington every
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: damn year, but we won't get into that just yet.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. We'll see where, you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Denver goes. But like I said, when you have a core,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the other stuff can take care of itself when you
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: you know, through the draft, and and I know their
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: GM who's gone now said he liked their draft and
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: some of the young players definitely have potential. But yeah,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we'll see, we'll see where that goes. And then obviously
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the Knicks did get forced to a game six because
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Boston came out. Brown had a phenomenal all purpose game,
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: not just scoring the ball, but almost had a triple double.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: You know, we even talked about how it would be
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: shocking if Boston wins another game because they have a
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: lot of talents. Still, now you know they're Porzingis. I
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: don't know what the hell's wrong with him in his
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: illness and his breathing issues and all that. So I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: not sure because it happened in like March, the first
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: part of it. Then he got a little better, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I guess he never got all the way better something
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: like that. But either way, they have a lot of talent,
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: so it's not shocking that they won the game that
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: New York like a lot of teams. Sometimes you'll let
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: your guard down in there, or that one team could
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: just everyone kind of raised their game for a game
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: or two. This happened to be just one game, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: ultimately they ended the series, and they ended the series
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: with a variety of guys getting the job done. They
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: really didn't have to play their starters deep into that
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: as well. And then you know, outside of Madison Square
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Garden was crazy after the game. But it's their first
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: home playoff series that they wrapped up since nineteen ninety
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: nine and the first time they've been to the conference
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: finals since two thousand. Obviously, you know, losing their number
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: one player was tough for Boston, but to be fair,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: it was three to one. Basically, they're up by ten
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: when he got hurt late in that game, so it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: was gonna be three to one regardless, you know, if
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Tatum was healthy or not, they were gonna be up
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: three to one. And the odds that they win all
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: three games, I don't know. I mean, maybe you know,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: there was a chance. Obviously a lot of people including us,
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: thought there was a chance for it. But yeah, once
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: that happened, it was a wrap And so what are
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Obviously they have a lot to figure out.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: They were talking about how they're gonna have to do something.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: It all matters how much money the owner is gonna
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: be work, you know, willing to pay in luxury attacks
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: obviously for Boston, but also like does he really want
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to come in there and just like blow up a
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: potential championship team Again, I don't know, it's kind of
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: it'll be kind of interesting what they have to do.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: But either way, next year they're gonna have to play
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a lot of the season, you know, if not all
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: of it without their you know, without Tatum.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: And honestly with the way surgeries. But come now, just
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: like the what we've learned to sport fans and just
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'm not at medical expermanians, but nowadays you'd rather tear
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: tear your a cl than tear your achilles because achilles
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: is just a different beast. Yeah, you're still probably out
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: for a year, but you've seen lots of the football
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: players or basketball players just struggle to recover from the achilles.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's just a different beast. It takes a longer time,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: which you saw with like uh like NFL quarterbacks or
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: even Klay Thompson DeMarcus Cousins like some guys who I
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: love who Unfortunately, it's just it's a bit of an injury.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: So could tain to be back in next round playoff, sure,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: but again, Achilles is nothing like a c LS nowadays
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: are like Tommy Johns for baseball. They got that ship
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: down to such a science now that it's pretty much
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: you're gonna come back just as good as you work.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: But you.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're true, You're still gonna miss the time.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole season.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: But but the but the recovery of like Tommy Johnny,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: a cls now are so good at recovery that it's
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: not a detrimental Achilles and so old as ones were, Like, dude,
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: you might never be the same or it's gonna take
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: you a long longer they expected. So that's tough for Boston,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: but I'm not gonna sheds here for that city. As
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: a sports fan, I feel bad he got hurt, but
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: I've never been a fan, so you know, it is
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: what it is. And they have to recover from injuries too.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: They they've been pretty lucky to him and Brown really
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: have for the most part, stayed healthy.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: So yeah, definitely, obviously, yes, they really have to do
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: those little minor stuff.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: But but they also get realized, Hey, dude, you're in
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: the East, are still You're still a bit luckier than
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: those in the West. So I still think they're sitting
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: pretty good overall.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, the West might get more stacked if Giannis ends
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: up in it. You know, there's still they can still
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: get more stacked, you know, which is crazy.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean you're adding Cooper flag atle think
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: is gonna make the Mavericks world beaters next year. But
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: and h the dude in San Antonio is only gonna
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: get better. So you know that the wester really ain't
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: going down hill too much New Orleans Like, yeah, the
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Westerns run not many Trump teams, So yeah, I think
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think you blow up too much. I do
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: you think it's kind of crazy amount of love that
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Prichard and uh Prichard and the other dude guy that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: comes off the bench for that freaking not bench starter.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Uh got him? Why am I drawing to blake on
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: his name.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Ship? Uh? And he's just like a you know, a
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: bench guy who's like a good role player and he.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Does yes, oh, Derek White, And I think it might
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: just be Boston media. But when whenever you hear at ESPN,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: top of those guys are like, oh, they're like world changers.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, dude, Derek White and Pritcher are good players,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: but like when they get spoke of, they get spoke
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: of in a very high manner. So it's like, but yeah,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: I think you just hit the reset button. Yeah, I
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: just I just think those guys get spoken of more
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: highly than expected. Like it's so just from the media standpoint.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: So yeah, but you're in the East. Uh, if you
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: honest leaves the East, that's even or like, I think
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: they're still stated really well. So if you want to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: come to shake stuff up, you can. But you know,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: you're you got you got a pretty damn good squad
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: right there. So I don't think they I think they
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: can still.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Win plenty of games next year without Tatum, you know.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I I still think they expect to make the playoffs
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: for sure. Yeah, yeah, you figure they probably they will
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: be a top two or three seed, but the expectation
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: for that roster would still be to make playoffs. I
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: assume obviously of Jaylen Brown may have to a more work,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: you know, But yeah, and.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Then if Tatum can't you know, maybe Tatum can come back,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: and they did. He didn't have excess swelling either, so
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: he was able to. Uh, you know, sometimes it sounds weird,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: but sometimes it's it's when you to get that surgery,
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: you want to get it done as quick as you can,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: but if the swelling's too crazy, you can't. Sure. Sometimes
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: when you get in that plane, the swelling goes up
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: if you have to go home, you know, like if
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: you're on the road. Well, he didn't have to do that,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: so oh wait, no, did he No, they said he
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: didn't take a fight, but he got it right away,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: so that that usually does bode well. But yeah, we'll
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: see either way. They're not repeating. Like I said, it's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: a seventh year in a row, the longest ever run now,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: so there's there's never been a time in the NBA
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: where we went seven straight years without a chip, and
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: it will be interesting to see, you know, how many
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: of these elite level guys just end up with one championship,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: which is still a hell of an accomplishment obviously, But
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: and then it's also like in the coming years, we're
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: gonna start to get those teams that won one to
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: come back or those players, and I think that will
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: add to everything as well. But yeah, we just haven't
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: had a team that has been able to do it.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: So it's it's been pretty cool, you know, for that
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: for that matter. And then the Knicks, like going into
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I heard plenty of sweeps and gentlemen sweets for the Knicks.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I heard plenty of that, And it seems more and
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: more like especially like the ESPN predictions, you'll get like
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: eleven in zero, you know, not even this one, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: the Lakers, you know, but then the Lakers series of
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: the Timberwolves, nobody picked the Timberwolves. But then in the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: flip side, nobody picked Golden State. It was like, well
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: really there so not out of eleven people, not one
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: person's picking Golden State. It was just kind of it's
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: just kind of strange. But but this is I mean,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: you know, say what you want about Tibbs, say what
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: you want about towns, say what you want about you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: bruntson on defense, say what you want about this team.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: But a lot of the traits that people started really
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: identifying last year in the playoffs, even though they were
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: you know, losing bodies left and right, the Knicks just
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that grit it in the way, the style of play,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: and you know they they made it in the series.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Brunts an average basically twenty seven points forty three percent
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: from the field in seven point four assists.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Towns average almost twenty points forty nine percent from the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: field and almost thirteen rebounds. And it just seems like
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: they would find this guy. They would find that guy
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: that night, Mitchell Robinson would come in and play. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that two we'll talk about that, uh, that two big
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: lineup that's actually been fairly effective, and we'll see if
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the shack of Mitchell happens. But shots out to the
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: Knicks though, because not many people, because you know, obviously
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: they look like an offensive team that wasn't deep at
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: all during the regular season, that just in every time
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: they played a good team, like a high level team,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: they got beat. So shots out for them for like
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: reversing some of this and turning into like a gritty team. Man,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty surprised. And does anyone, I mean, I know
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: the Pacers closed well, the Timberwolves have actually closed well lately,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but does anyone really want to be in a tight
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: game with the Knicks though, you know, like I don't
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: know about that, you know.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Uh, you know. I I think there's different ways to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: look at them. Because on one hand, you can say,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: for the first three or four games that Boston series,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the Knicks are down twenty points every game to the Celtics,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: And if you're a great team, why you're down twenty
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: points every game?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: But then they nobody's all them a great team going
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in though?
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: What no, no, But even even a team that's gonna
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: potentially win a title, like for years I was a
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Warriors fan, Like, yeah, they might lose some games, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: you know, like being on twenty every game, like that's
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: a weird habit. So like that tells you the team
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: has holes in their system that like in yes, Boston
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: was really good, but getting down twenty every game, that's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: not a normal playoff circumstance. For hell, any team, like
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: even on the Wolves last year in a playoff run,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: like they didn't get down twenty much for the games
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: they won or lost like twenty you know it. So
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: from that standpoint, it's like, are you a bad first
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: half team? Do you don't care? Like is Brunson truly
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: just a fourth quarter finisher, which he's proven he is,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: But that's the one point where you kind of shake
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: your head of like if if we're all picked the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: next year, Like, dude, I'd be a little cautious because
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: if you're a good.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Spat or six games they got down by twenty, I think, yeah,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: again they lost, they were down by twenty, and then
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: the two games, the first two games they were down
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: by twenty correct.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, the sixth and half the games, Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: that's part where it's like and obviously they were down
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: twenty in game five where they got loooked, you know,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: but that one yeah, oh yeah, okay, yeah, So it
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: just makes kind of wonder like what is this team's
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: first half abilities that makes you just fall behind because
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: if you were a high level team, that would happen
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: now to flip it over, clear, they don't quit, and
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the off fits is maybe just sometimes a little slow
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: to get going because if it comes to the fourth quarter,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'll see Haliburd's gonna get his shots, but Brunston gonna
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: get his.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: So I.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: They're healthier than we're used to the last year, which
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: is huge, But yeah, I'm just I guess I'm just
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: a little hesitant because what what kind of true team
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: are you? Like you kind of got a little little
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: lucky with uh some of those that that call that
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: one game versus the Pistons, and hell, that game came
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: down to the litter that you could have flipped the quarter.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: We just as it could have been. Talking about a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Detroit Boston series is supposed to the Knicks and Pacers,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: so sorry's supposed to Nick themselves.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: They to play more games. But I hear you, yeah yeah, so, uh, I.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Just think this is gonna be a really competitive even
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: match series.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Obviously.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I think that Nick's her favorite.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: Correct. I think I'm not sure? Oh okay, I think
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: it's pretty much fifty to fifty. I haven't I haven't
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: looked at it just yet.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I guess I just say it's too So you're not,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: You're not.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: You don't think it's like the Knicks did pretty good
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: though to get here. I mean, who the fuck picked
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: them to get here? And they beat Boston?
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and that's it been literally a fifty to
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: fifty high team. So yeah, yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, though getting down is one thing, coming back
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is another thing. Though, too true, But you're right, there
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: is something to be said about three quarters of basketball,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: you know that. And also Brunson. You're right, there's been
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: many a games where he just kind of cruising along
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: and then it's like, oh, by the oh, it's fourth grader. Okay,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I'll show I'm ready to go, you know. So that
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is good, okay.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And to the Pacers credit, like you know, I know
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that again, injuries happened, mitchally got a little baited up
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: in the heat of the casual were baked up in games,
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: but others games were like Indiana's put on them, like
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: and at that game four, everyone's supposed to play that
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: game and like, I don't miss made the player, but
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that was that was a relatively fully healthy team the
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: once in the East. So uh, I guess I'm literally
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: just torn. I can see people taking both sides of
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: the argument, and maybe I'm sure a little more like
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: news from the Knicks fans because it's New York City
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: at post Indiana. Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is realistic. That's fair.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, i'd be fair. You already start talking about
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the Pacers, which we're gonna do next when we're not
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: even done with the Knicks. So you really don't think much.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: They're a four and a half point favorite. Uh. In
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: game one, let me check the series.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Their serious price there minus one seventy, so that's that's
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: pretty and pacers are plus one forties. That's that's a
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: pretty one for crazy though, No, it's yeah, that's it.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I'm looking that's plus ninety for the Wolf or ESPN
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: started plus three thirty.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So I mean, I'm not saying that's fifty to fifty,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: but that's that's pretty even.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, fairly. Yeah, So I think I think
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: for the Knicks will be what curious to see. One
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: thing is that how does Carl that the towns get involved.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: I still remember that game seventy had last year versus
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: dever where the Wolves will win that game if he
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: don't play. It does seem like that he's kind of
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: the guy that people will forget about at times, and
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: like he kind of gets a little bit of a
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: saying a bad rap but kind of like what are you, yeah,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: what are you doing first lately? Like, and obviously he
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: is a player who went on his on dask and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: carry you, So I do think that obviously they're gonna
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: need brunts into his part, which he probably will because
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: he's proven that.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: But how does.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Townsmen in this series like you know, does he kind
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: of And I'm not saying yeah, and I'm.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: Not usually guards him, but the thing that actually contain
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Towns is actually not putting it big on him.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'll be curious see what he does because
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: after after Brunts and like who is the Knicks? Like
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I you assume Towns is gonna be the next guys
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: step of offensive least, So what role does he play?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Because the Pacers, I will say one thing about it. Yeah,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I think they're offensively they're a little more evenly distributed
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: as opposed to so the Knicks have the obviously have Brunson,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: you have.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Let's not break down the series just yet, Okay, all right,
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: you know, because we're not there it is yet. Yeah.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, So I guess for the Knicks is that
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Towns has to stay. If they want advanced, Towns needs
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: to be maybe a little maybe, can't have as many
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: offensive nights, just kind of take it a step back
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: in a way.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: Well, and I don't necessarily think it's it's just that
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: it's foul problems as well as he is, because there's
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: plenty of Knights where you go. Man, if he played
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: ten more minutes, he would have had thirty five points.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: You know, Like, I don't think there are some games
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs where uh, he's not as aggressive or whatever.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: I think that's fair. But honestly, especially this run, I
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: really think it has to do with the biggest problem,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: which is foul problems, because he doesn't really have too
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: many games where he just played like shit in these
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: two these two rounds where you're just like, dude, where
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: the fuck? You know? It's foul problems, man. And there
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: was three games in this series where you're like, dude,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: if you wouldn't have picked up the foul, dude, you
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: were you were punishing them, you know. So I think
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: it has a lot to do with foul problems. And
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder about his injury because he It's funny now
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: people are saying, why isn't he shooting threes? You know?
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I thought you didn't want to shoot the Which one
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: was it? Dude? You know? And that's kind of what
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: my thing about the national media sometime that each year
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Towns is shooting less and less threes, but they just
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: kept saying shoot less threes. It's like, dude, he is,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: he's never matched like his two thousand and I think
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: it was eighteen nineteen under Saunders flips Honers. I'm sorry,
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Ryan Saunders, all right, p okay, yeah, but he every
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: year he actually went down. In fact, we were in
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: a system where we're like, hey, dude, next year, we
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: expect you to shoot more threes. So it is kind
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: of funny, but I do think there's something. Clearly there's
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: something wrong. He didn't fully admit it, but he's just like,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you what's wrong with me, but
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: clearly there might be because you don't just shut off
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: the three like that, you know. Yeah, and then he
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think he took sixty other night or seven and
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: he went like one to seven. So I think there
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: might be something. And I know it's not a shooting hand,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: but it still could be in an area where because
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you don't just shoot one hand, correct, right, you do
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: have to have something when it comes to set in
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the ball a little bit. But it has been I mean,
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: you've seen a drastic drop in his threes in this
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: last series.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: And maybe an X factor that literally as hot and
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: cold could be mckel Bridges because if you look at
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: his his playoffs run here so far versus Detroit eight
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: points nineteen twenty eight, seventeen twenty five, so kind of hot,
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: kind of cold, and then versus Celtics he had eight
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: points fourteen twelve, twenty three, nine twenty two. So if
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: we're looking for that second third wheel house, you know,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: something like that, I think that Bridge is gonna be
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: kind of a big factor because after him, when he
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: after Bridges, Towns and uh Brunson. I'm not saying these
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: other guys can't produce, but you're digging a little bit
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: deep hearts not really an offensive dynamite player per se.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: It's just like an all all purpose, like he'll give
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: you eighteen nine rebounds, five assists or something, you know,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: on a good night or something. Yeah, And I think
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: if you know, if you have the all over the place,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: the PJ.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Tucker five years ago would be a badass due to
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: have because that dude was on every team he seemed
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: to go to. He was a huge playoff force.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: He's not playing though, yeah, but he's he's pretty good.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. And McBride is kind of their big bench guy,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: but again he's yeah, so yeah, offensively, who is gonna
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: kind of help brunts it in Just maybe quit yourselves
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: in the big holes all the time. But to Tims's
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: credit for the guy that has the short betch he
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: has the regular season so far this year, that condition
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: must be they must have an excellent straight coach. I
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: believe they stole from the MAVs after the MAVs made
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that poor decision to get to that guy. His guys
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: have stayed healthy. He he does kind of ride the
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: starters quite a bit. But they're here now as supposed
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: to last year, Chris, where they were like literally throwing
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: out dead soldiers. Now you got a pretty healthy core
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and you're gonna have a good chance to see them
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: advance another round deeper.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and so we won't need to go as deep,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: but we'll fill in the blanks and all that, but
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll go quickly with Minnesota and Indy. Minnesota
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: wraps it up. They didn't play with their food. They
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: did win four straight. The defense for Golden State was
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: still in that they forced a lot of turnovers, which
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: you know that's foreshadowing what may come with Okay, see,
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: but I did like how they closed it out for me.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Randall was the MVP of that series, though the dude
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: just he was a point forward in the damn series.
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, he just made all the right plays when
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: he really needed him. You saw talent or not Towns
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: we were just talking about Towns. Saw Aunt kind of
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: struggle early in the series, and then he had back
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: to back second halfs that were really impressive. He put
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: up twenty eight in that one second half, which I
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: don't think anyone's top that this year in the playoffs,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: so he definitely got his stuff together. In that closeout game.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Randall had a couple early turnovers and then Aunt and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Nas had some ugly turnovers late, so that's always, you know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: gonna be something to keep an eye on. But I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: did like how they I mean, Kaminga like he was
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: trying to make some money this offseason because that dude
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: could miss a damn shot. I was getting sick of Kaminga.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: But he definitely played really well. Butler looked basically after
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: that one big game, he he looked like he was,
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like that spill did you know, fallout. And
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: then also when you don't have Curry, then he's not
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: effective if if you put all your you know, chips
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: in the road to kind of you know, stop him.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: So but overall, I did like how they they they
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: you know, didn't play with their food for Indy. You
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: know Cleveland, it does suck for Cleveland. Yeah, some of
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: their you know, like it's you still got to give
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: him full credit though, because, like I said, we've seen
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: injuries play out in a bunch of series. They did.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: You know, It's one thing that I hear a lot
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: of people saying, well, they had in most of their games,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: they had all their full Yeah, I mean a couple
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: of guys are just coming off from a wild out though,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: So yeah, did they look great? Because to me, they
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: didn't look great. The people that returned besides Mitch, Mitchell
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: was kind of in and out of it. That's just
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: more of a normal. He did leave that one game
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: and then he played the next game. You're gonna have
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a lot of like you mentioned Brunson, you know, he
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: clearly he had a little ankle issue, but that shit happens.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Remember Luca last year. You wanted to play Luca at
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the beginning of the playoffs because.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Remember how ye he was really hurt healthier and it
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: was like a.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: Couple games later you could see him a little healthier.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: But then you know, of course, by the time he
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: faced Minnesota, he was like, I feel great, Actually, thanks man,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. So, so Indy closed it out in style,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: got the job done. So Minnesota Indiana are the two
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: teams that got rest, even though technically being that it's
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: the series for the East Wednesday, so Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday,
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: the Knicks still get the rest. But yeah, I was
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: impressed by both those teams just just closing out. Obviously
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the Curry thing, that probably would have been a game
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: seven and a toss up type series if Curry was
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: able to play. I do think we may play better
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: in spots just because that's our team unfortunately, but either way,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: both of them got the job done way ahead of
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: time Tuesday and Wednesday, so they've been showing.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just to quickly summarize going state, like, obviously that's
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: my team. It's a much different team that I fell
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: in love with, but hey, they're my squad. He just
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: with Curry out, there is no really no reason for
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: the Wolves to lose a game. Obviously. I thought that
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the well, the Warriors played hard and they didn't like
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: just mail it in.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: To their credit, No, I lose a game if they
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: hadn't lost that first one. I bet you they still
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: would have lost the game without Curry in there, just
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: from like looking ahead or whatever, you know.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they showed why they are a very gifted
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: defensive team, the best in the league since Butler. But
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: you do need offense because a guy like Draymond's a
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: great defensive quarterback to lead a team, but he's not
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: gonna score the much. And Butler did seem kind of
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: just a little less engaged and without Curry, he's a
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: different guy. And just like Raymond's been a different guy
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: without step in his career too. So I think the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: Golden State does need to improve their bench a little
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: bit though, because those guys they have their bench.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Though after that series, he might get Dude.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: I think to megas like, f you, Kurry haven't playing
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: me for this whole year. I'm gonna go show out
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: right now, someone's gonna sign my ass and say deuces.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: So he was killing him. Yeah, I was pissed off, like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: get this guy out of the game.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And obviously we'll get to the Wolves a little more later.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: But I did hear a stat uh that said Julius
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: Randall was the fourth player ever and I believe roughly
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: to average like over twenty points a game, ten boards
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a game, and shoot fifty percent from the field in
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: a series, something something along that line. Are the only
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: people out there with him were like Lebron, like Oscar Robinson,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Lucas some some stat were roughly what Julius Rado did
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: in that series was upper echelon, like immortal stuff.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: He was definitely the m VP.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, and for the Pacers, hey, there's kind
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: of stayed out of here man that They're fun to play.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: They play up Temple, They're the injury bug is not
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: affected them yet. They're stayed away from it. They're hiding
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: from their COVID uh, but they just they play fast.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: They they don't have a ball hog and they just
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: they're They're swagger has to be as high as the
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: one the league. Now that doesn't mean you're gonna wait
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: because you're cocky, but what they did last year now
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: kind of moving on this year. They're even though Cleveland's up,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: they they handled they handled Cleveland really well. They're expected
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: even with Cleveland's injuries.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, and that that you know, gets your own
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: rebound win the game, put up the Sam Cassell celebration.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, both Minnesota and uh Indiani made it back
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: to the Conference finals. We'll see if in fact that
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: does bode well for them, but yeah, I thought it
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: was very business like and they have made We've talked
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: about they've made the jump defensively, and we might as
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: well just kind of, you know, go into the Indie
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Knicks bringing back the nineties. They you know, in I
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: think I can't remember their first series. I'll check it
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: out in a second, but there was there was six series,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: you know, counting two thousand. I think I think it
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: actually dipped to two thousand and two, but there were
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: three and three. It's just something that you remember a
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: whole lot for a variety of reasons, not just Reggie
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: Miller nine points or eight points in nineteen seconds or
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: whatever it was, but just in general, like there is
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: just it just was a rivalry that just kept happening.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: It just kept going over and over, and I think
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: at the Conference finals, New York was better. It was
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: two to one this year, not a close game really
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: in the batch per se. Maybe maybe the one loss
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: was actually closer than it looked, but it wasn't a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: photo finished per se. A lot of folks are talking about,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: well Indie beat them last year and in a seven
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: game series. But as we know, you know, both of
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: them are better on defense. Well, the the Knicks got
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: better on defense in the playoffs, but they were never
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: a horrible defensive team, whereas last year Indiana was a
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: pretty bad defensive team. But they definitely tightened up and
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: they continue to tighten that up. But you really can't
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: look at it like that. You can't look at that
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: that series last year, and if you do, it actually
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: favors the Knicks more because you know, they lost so
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: much talent, not you know that, don't get me wrong.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: They not everybody came back, but they added to their
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: their talent in a major way as we know. So
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it's just a fun series. Yeah. Here it is ninety three,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: ninety four, ninety five, ninety eight, ninety nine, and two thousand.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: That's the sixth series. So from ninety three to two thousand.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Ninety seven was the only year that they didn't or
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: ninety six and ninety seven that that they didn't meet
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, whether it was semifinals or whatever. Ninety
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: three the Knicks one in the first round, three to one.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Ninety four Knicks one, four to three because ewing game
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: seven went nuts and MSG and then ninety five the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Pacers won four to three. That was that eight points
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: in nine seconds, not like nineteen. I don't know what
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: I was talking about. Pacers won the ninety eight four
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to one in the East Semies. Both those were East semis.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Was the ninety for it was East Finals. In the
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: ninety nine Larry Johnson's crazy four point play and Spree
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: going nuts. They won in the finals Eastern Finals four
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: to two. And then the Pacers won in two thousand
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: in the East Finals. That was their only win in
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: the East Finals. They did take on each other in
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the in twenty thirteen and obviously last year too. But
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: the rivalry is renewed and I'm really excited about that.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: And speaking of Brunson and Halliburton a lot of times,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't think you could hide as many
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: players as you can nowadays in your lineup, the zone
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: and whatever. Whereas there was no zone, it was illegal
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: to do and you couldn't. You couldn't if you fronted someone,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: you couldn't bring the double list quick. So people there
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: were still people fronting a fair amount because he had
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: a true center back there all the time. For the
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: most part, and just the center power forward combo, even
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: though the centers were more i'd say overall better players before,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: like the mid nineties than from the mid nineties to
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: late two thousands. That was the power forward era. But
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: people kind of forget that. They still like a chem
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: Elijah One is awesome, but his power forward was like
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Otis Thorpe And for those who don't know him, go
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: google him. That dude was jacked. Okay, he will fuck
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: you up. But anyway, you know Halliburton, you know, hiding
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Halliburton on Heart. You mentioned Heart is not a major
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: threat right offensively, Yeah, Bridges and him do cut really well.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: That's where I think Bridges is awesome cutting and finishing.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: That's something he's done really well in both playoffs series.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: But it will be interesting to see, you know what
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: team is more successful hiding their weak spot. But I
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: gotta admit, like maybe Brunson a little bit more wasn't
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: getting beat. But both of those guys played a little
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: bit better. But I think it'll be tougher for Indiana
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: to hide Haliburton if they go to that two big
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: lineup with Townsend Robinson, And of course it'll be interesting
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: to see if they do the hack of Shack or
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: hack of Mitchell when they do that big lineup, but
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: it has been very successful. So that is one of
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: the keys right there that kind of lends itself to size,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Like the Calves weren't, you know, didn't take advantage of
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: the advantages they had when they were bigger, and will
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: size matter for the Knicks because like I said, the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: Calves weren't able to do that. And then you look
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: at Kat versus Turner. That's been a really interesting even
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: though we didn't as a Timberwolves fan when he was here,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: we didn't we need to play him as many times
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: per year. Of course Cat did well against him this year,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: but you wonder if they're gonna have Turner on them
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: or if they're going going to have like a uh,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: just a different one of the different players that are
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: like a little bit more athletics, so he can't take
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: them off the dribble. That's the thing with towns. You
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: either front them and have help lurking, or you just
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: get a like Siakam, who he's not gonna be take
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: off the dribble as much. If you got quicker feet,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Cat can't get by you as quick. We've seen once
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: he went back to center finally with them, he's been
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: able to take a bunch of big dudes off the dribble,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: and he was up there with en Ones this year.
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: So Catvisius, Turner, Haliburton, Brunson, who's gonna be able to
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: get hid there? And and you know, will like, like
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: I said, will the Knicks actually take advantage of the
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: length and size they have on which is a you know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: they do play a fair amount of smaller, kind of
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: thin guy in the Pacers. That's some of the things
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: that I'm kind of looking at, you know, just in general.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: Whereas you look at pace and depth, clearly you know,
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: advantage goes with the pacers.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think that like Turner is like
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: he's obviously a big big but he doesn't play like it.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: You know, like he's a dude that if you see
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: him like thirty feet from the basket, he's gonna pull
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: up and jacket three and bust it on you like,
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: and he does a good job of man, they playing
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the ball and like moving it well. So I know
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: that you're thinking, okay, like him and him and Cat,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: but like Cat, like both those guys are like more
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: of like uh pop and picks and yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: they're they're not a typical big like we just talked about,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like with Rick Smith's and Elways and like Charles Oakley,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: those guys are like bigs, you know, they who boast up.
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: So I do think obviously they're those are two huge jays.
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: But they're big, but they're I mean, if they are
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: each other, both like get a kind of show up
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: the priimeter a little more so they're not gonna go
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: down low as much and box each other out, you know.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I would expect both him to have some
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: you know, pretty effective offensive matchups and come fourth quarter man,
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: that that's like get the popcorn ready, because both those
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: guys approve it. I think that Bruns gets a little
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: more of love. And for some reason people kind of
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: aren't the biggest fans Haliburton collectively across the league. But
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: I don't know, he's just a different do whatever. But
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: he's pretty clutched fourth quarter dude too. Yeah, both those
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: guys really if the balls in their hands when the
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: game's coming down the stretch, they're gonna be ready to shoot. Uh.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: I do think, as you said when you mentioned the
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: history That's what got me into basketball because growing up
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: that was like my I was younger, like or eight, nine,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: ten years older all the time, just get older and
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: watching those those series, man, that was fun ass basketball,
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Like they hate each other is bad blood. Obviously mixed
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: the Miami heat with that time too, because they had
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: some good rivalries with the with the Knicks. It was
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: just a lot of good basketball different lamre Lores, but
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: there were some Ana Massis, some bad blood. There was
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: true rivalries. It was good for the sport. So I
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: do think from a fan standpoint and from a basketball standpoint,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: you know where this year I did think, you know,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: throughout the year Adam Silver was a little bit scared
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: for radiance and maybe the regular season wasn't quite what
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: he wanted. Per se, this is great for the sport. Man,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: This is going to bring back people who are our
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: age or older, like I remember this time, and like
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: obviously younger generation made this create some more of that
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: rivalry again because it's not quite been the same. Like
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: obviously you're an older person, you're still remember the rivalries.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: But like you if you're a twenty year old kid
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: going to watch if you're a twenty year old kid
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: going to the game either of those in Indiana New York,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: You're like, okay, cool, Like who are who are we
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: playing against? You know, they don't have that Reggie Miller
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: John Starks thing. So maybe this creates the rivalry whichould
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: be great for the sport.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I do think a lot of the fans
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: on both sides that are young, remember that at least
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: played last year. That helps a little bit.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Seven games, so yeah, yeah, yeah, So I think in
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: a way, I think Brentson and colbertson away cance each
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: other out. Both are highly effective scores either elite defensively
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: and in a way I really think that Turner and
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: Cat kind of cance each other out too, so in
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: different ways, but they're pretty easily matter. So who is
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: gonna who is going to maybe dictate the pace of play?
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Is there as standpoint because if you watched the the
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: Knicks kind of really enjoyed and they kind of really
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: raised some hell for Boston when they made it like
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: a half court game. And whether that was the Celtics
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: being three point gung hole happier the Knicks playing solid defense,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Maybe fifty to fifty, but I I
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: truly think though in a perfect world, the Knicks want
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: to have this be a half court game per se,
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: and Indiana is gonna want to give you a track
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: me as much as they want. I'm not saying the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Knicks can't run, but Indiana is like, dude, let's go
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: go go, go, go go cool. We don't want Brunson
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: to set up a half court set, and especially.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: In the double big lineup, they're gonna want to run. Yeah,
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: you're gonna want to guess those dudes out.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: So maybe one factor look at see is that is
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: gonna be more up Temple, which I think benefits the Pacers.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Chris Or is gonna be the Nick's gonna do a
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: little more. Hey, we're gonna lock you down, We're gonna
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: play our badass half court defense, and we're gonna take
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: the ball the court a little more time. Let Brunson
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: do his thing. Maybe the pace of play would be
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: a fun uh detribute factors. Who is gonna win the
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: series or play a big part of it.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah, definitely like pace and roster dep You
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: were just talking about it before, you know, Sayakam in
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the playoffs anyway, eighteen point eight basically nineteen points, Haliburton
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: seventeen and a half, Turner sixteen and a half, then
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: Bar fourteen point six, Nie Smith basically the same, McConnell eight.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Like basically from topping eight and a half one two, three, four,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: five six seven eight, So from eighteen and a half,
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: so basically nineteen to almost nine points they got eight dudes.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: So on one hand, you think, okay, but what I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: was talking too, maybe hal Burton will need to shoot
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in this and there's times where
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I hate to even use the word, just
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: shoot more, dude, go ahead, just jack them. Yeah, just
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: having just be more aggressive because he can play make
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: obviously too. And maybe that's it where he's just taking
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: control of the reins a little bit more. And it
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be him shooting, you know, twenty four
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: times or nothing like that. It also could be him
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: just just penetrating the defense so you continue to get
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: those shots that you've been getting. But you're right as
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: far as depth when it comes to scoring, Indiana is
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: very deep. And i'd probably just because Dante and Alexander
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Walker hasn't been shooting the ball, well, I would say
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: they're they're the deepest team as far as scoring. Now,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: you could also say they're the weakest link in the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: playoffs on defense, the Pacers. I don't think that's being
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's ripping them well for the last
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: four teams. Yeah, yeah, and and and they're nowhere near
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: what they were last year as far as being bad
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: or something, because remember there'd be times when you're like, dude,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: what the hell is that? Man? Like you just let them,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: you just let off and then you just let them
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: score like no problem. So they we've talked about how
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: they're better on defense this year and so that it's
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: just when you have the best team. And then I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: would say, okay, see Minnesota Knicks and then them. But
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: you know, as we know, the rule changes and all
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: that over the years. You know, great offense tends to
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: beat great defense in a lot of different sports, not
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: just yeah, you look at football, you look at wide
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: receiver corner. You know, we a lot of times the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: great offense wins now. And it took me a while
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: to accept that, Marshall. It did take me a while
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: to accept that because I was like, fuck, that dude
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: defense with his championship, and that's what I was told,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: but either way, no one's a slouch at all, you
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: know when it comes to that. But to your point, Towns,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: you know, last conference final, his three point shot struggled majorly.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: You know, it was a tough time to just all
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: of a sudden run into that. Now he hasn't relied
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: as much on the three, so maybe there's something to say.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: But with Towns, you have to activate him, like in
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: with Biggs, most Bigs, you got to get in the ball.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Like now, if Towns is in foul problems, that does
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: hurt him, not just because you got to go on
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: the sidelines, but when you come back, then all of
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: a sudden, his defense more looks like it did years
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: ago because he can't follow the dude. So he's like, oh,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay away. And he always has those
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: still shots of him with two hands up looking you know,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: kind of funny, kind of goofy. So you know, will
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: they activate Towns, get them the ball? And then also
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: the flip side of that is, you know, he you
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: gotta get him the ball and you got a game,
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: you know, you gotta have play calls for it. But
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: he also has to make sure he's getting the position.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: It can't be just the one sided street. He's got
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: to be able to get the position straight up without falling.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: But I do think we're gonna see that Towns Robinson
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: big lineup even more. Do you think they'll hack a
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: shack Mitchell Robinson because he he has some games where
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: it's it hasn't gone good at all for him, like
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: really really bad. He had that one game where he
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: was six of six from the field or from the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: the free throw line. I wonder if they'll use that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: because I remember one game they took him out right
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: before the time frame where they'd use it. But overall,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: you know, there's times where you're just like, maybe I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: would use that, Like for instance, Game one, three of ten,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Game two only zero of one. They only did it once.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Game three, four of twelve, didn't do it. In game four,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Game five, he was six of six and he did
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: hit some. I think I can't remember game game six,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: But do you think I think they're gonna go with
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: Mitchell because dude, there's this clip going around Twitter where
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: he guarded every freaking guy that had the ball. He
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: guarded five different guys. He kept rotating. It was like
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: he's been really good man, I know he's a role player.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to say, you know, Trey Towns, that's
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: your starter. I'm just saying he's been really, really good
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and for a team that doesn't have a ton of depth,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: that's why I'm kind of thinking they'll lean into him
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: a little bit more.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that with the with the defensive prowse
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: he Briggs also the the falling strategy that's kind of
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: some teams doing some teams don't kind of especially for
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: game one of the series, I don't think you maybe
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: take that approach.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 2: Now Again, obviously his free throw shooting was kind of horrendous,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: but that could be something where you know that in
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: prior rounds the team felt more maybe the Pacers coach
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: doesn't want to like That's something we're obviously as we
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: when we when we do our next podcast way through
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: the series, we'll break down how it's been going. Uh
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: And also as a Knicks as pertimodal standpoints like do
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: it I mean, if you're in my hot hand defensive,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: I kind of got to keep you in there maybe.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: And I remember when they use this for Shaq Chris
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: and sometimes Shack hits a couple.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: So once he gets going, if he if he gets
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: on line ten plus times, he actually usually got better,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and again if you make one out of two,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: is that really like a beneficial thing? Is?
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: So I guess.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Like you're guarantee you're gonna score every bucket and you're
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: giving up a point every series. So I think that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: part does matter because it did play them off the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: quarter a couple of times. But I don't know, maybe
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: game one of the series, if you dip your toe
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: in the water on that, I'm not sure we'll see.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Uh So, yeah, I think you the court, but we
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: don't get paid the big bucks to the side that either,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: so you know, uh yeah, Well, I just think I
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: think these fourth quarters are gonna be a lot of fun.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: I think both these because the Pacer I just I
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe a little just Pacers biased, But I
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: think that Nick's are our favorite team. As we've shown,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: they won the season series, they had a better season.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: But I just think the Cydiana team. Man, if you
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: look back to last year with I think Boston being
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: like the the a grade mark to whole teams accountable
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: to in the East. I know they lost that series ugly,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: but if you watch the Pacer Celtics series last year, dude,
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: they were in almost every game they had some so
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: could the next win the series? One hundred percent they could.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: But if the Pacers last year, who were worst defensive team,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: hugging with the Celtics almost every game, they just fell
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit short. I think we're gonna be in
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: for a lot of games. Maybe a good way to
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: say this. I don't think we're gona have a lot
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: of blowouts, Chris. I think it should be a pretty
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: you know. In the you know, in the Pacers series
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: and the Boston here, you've had a lot of kind
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: of ugly games. I don't think we're gonna have ugly
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: games this series. I think we're gonna have a lot
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: of like really close competitive kind of like as similar
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: to what the the Knicks and dist has had. Yeah,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: they we're gonna get that kind of series, which should
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: be good for us and good for the NBA fan
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: in general.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And if you look at the worst three point
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: percentage so far in the playoffs, the Pacers, nor the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Pacers or the Knicks have somebody in that category. The
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: best three point percentage playoffs, though in the top five
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: the Pacers have three out of the five, so that's
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: not everything. Obviously. Uh, some of these guys got beat
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: in the first round, so even having them in there
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: with six games, maybe that doesn't make sense. I did
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: notice in the second round that Turner did lead in blocks,
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: so he is a He is a bit of a
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: rint protector too. He can actually rint protect really well.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm really looking forward to this, and like
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: you said, I think it will be a very tight series,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: whether six or seven. I think it's for sure going
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: six or seven. New York does have the home court,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: you know. I'm you know, if you would have asked
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: me five seven days ago, I would have said the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Pacers and and felt really good about it. And I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: still think I'm gonna put a little money on him,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: just because they are a decent sized underdog. But I'm
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: gonna go I'm gonna go Nixon seven. I'm gonna go
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: New York Knicks and seven. Maybe it's just me trying
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: to summon the Knicks in Minnesota, you know, just to
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: see that crazy matchup. Yeah, that's that's what I'm going with.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: But I do think I don't think the Pacers are
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: getting fully disrespect respected I do think that I still
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: thought Boston was the better team than Cleveland personally, but
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I know regular seasons, I get that, but I do
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: think they were better. So I think they had a
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: I think they had a tougher route. But then again,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: you know, they played really well against Milwaukee enough to
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: close them out, even though you know, I don't think Dane.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: If they had Dane, they would have won the series
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. But yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: say that. I think I've seen enough changes in the
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: fact that they did play lilast year in a series
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: and they still took him to seven, even though we
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: know the Knicks weren't anywhere near full strength.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: True. Uh, I'm gonna switch up a little bit. I'm
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: gonna go Pacers in six.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say five, and I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: was gonna that.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: If I'm gonna If I'm gonna go five, I'm pulling Mike.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: I have my mouth on that one too, because that
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: would probably be pretty good odds.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so at home, they'll they'll take in Indy,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: they'll take it.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that just rebuilds the rivalry from
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: last year. Maybe a little bit of flashback in the nineties,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: which is again just good for the sport of basketball.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: You know, It's funny. I heard on KG Certified with
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: Paul Pierce. They got a podcast and Pierce is saying,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: you know, when I was in the Garden, because you know,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's the mecca, right, It's it's where everybody loves
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: to play. He said he almost felt comfortable because of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: the environment, like the stakes, like it just got you
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: up to play. But in the and when he played
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: in Indiana, He's like, I felt like I was on
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: the road, you know, like I give I can tell
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: I was an opponent, you know. So it's just a
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: different vibe because you just get up the I've never
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: heard of a player not get up when they play
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: an MSG, you know what I mean. It's just that's
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: just how it goes. So yeah, that that was kind
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: of interesting there. So we'll see all that plays out.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: And then on the flip side, Okay, see took seven games,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: you know to get it done, but they got it
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: done in Denver to their point, you know, the last
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: part of the season, I think it was clear to think, Wow,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Denver struggling. Their defense sucks. They're just not that good
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: right now, But they did make some improvements once they
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: got to, you know, to the playoffs. Many people picked
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the Clippers to beat them, took seven games, and then
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: you know, they did take you know, the favorite by
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: a fair amount. Okay, see is the favor by a
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: fairamount to win the championships. So they took them seven.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: So you gotta respect Denver. But also I think you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: gotta be realistic about Denver. You know. I heard Zach
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: Lowe say today that like he thinks they already passed
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: their biggest test, and I could I don't know about that,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: because styles make fights, as we know, but I could
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: flip around and say, dude, Minnesota beat Denver six straight times.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: You know, so obviously styles make fights though, Like I said,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: but it's like to sit there and say they've already
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: got over their biggest hump. It kind of feels like
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: what the Timberwolves were thinking last year. Hey dude, we
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: beat the champs, bro we already got past them.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: Oh shit.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: You know. So I do think, okayc should be the
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: favorite in this series. I'm not taking that away, but
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's anywhere near. I think it's closer.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna call it a fifty to fifty because that,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I think, okay See should, but I think
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: it's a lot closer to like sixty forty fifty eight
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: forty two, Like fifty five forty five would probably be
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: the lowest i'd go. But I don't think it's a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: seventy thirty seventy five to twenty five, because that's what
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: the fucking When I saw that shit come out, I
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: was like plus two ninety please, you know, can I
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: wait in line and keep going? You know, like that
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: threw me the fuck off. It's like really good, Like
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I know that the timberwlves turn the ball over a lot.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 1: But then again, okay see doesn't play great on offense either,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and in the playoffs, in the in some of these
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: clutch moments, they haven't played that well either, So I
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: just I think they're overrated. Off of that, they could
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: win the championship, but I think they're overrated as far
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: as the odds go. You can only take so much
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: out of the series during the year, as we know,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: just in general. But it was two to two. But
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: you know, okay See, he didn't have some guys in
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: there at times. I know, one of the games about Chet.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: So I would say the more important guys that missed
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: were probably on the Minnesota side, because there were games
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: that I think rand only played in one of them,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: I think it was the New Year's game, but Dante
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: and Randall missed the pharamount. I think Randall Ngo Bear
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: missed them. And one thing I didn't know or did
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: realize that Nas had a hell of all four games
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: and he had almost a triple double one of those games,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: and being that both of the bigs were out, he
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: played center actually and played good minutes. And we had
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: McDaniels at the four so you know, obviously turnovers. You know,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: we talked about Rudy you know, not being as as
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: important in these first two series, but no matter who
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: he's gonna play now, it's gonna be important now, you know,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: you do want it, Like if they try to hide
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: someone a little on, we got to take advantage of that.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: You know, there's just no if ans or butts about that. Yeah.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: I think Dante and Alexander Walker are needed to shoot.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: They need to shoot really bad obviously or better. I
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: should say, we need them to play better overall, especially
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: Alexander Walker SGA will will get his falls drawn. You're
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: gonna hear the chant Faull merchant in the target center.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: You're just gonna hear it. It is what it is.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: But he's not the only one that's ever learned how
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: to you know, draw a fall, that's for sure. But
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: some of it cut down on turnovers, as we know,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: but some of it, you know, I would say we're
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: a little bit more versatile because we can go big,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: but we can. We thrived during the season and even
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: in the last two seasons when we were small against
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: them too, so it be interesting to see how that goes.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: But it kind of goes back with SGA. You know,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: we talked about the shooting, right, the three point shooting
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: in the league or not in the league, but in
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. Well, the worst three point in the playoffs, right,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: Dante's number one, but Golden State has three out of
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: the top five. They have the second, fourth, and fifth worst,
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: so they can't shoot either, whereas at least the tim
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: Roves do have one in almost two as far as
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: the best three point shooting in the playoffs so far,
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: but I think it comes down with OKC. We know
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: their defense is the number one defense, how you know,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: Analytically they have tried to say it's basically one of
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: the best, if not the best ever is it? I
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: don't know about that. I don't think that. But is
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: it better than the Timberwlves last year by a long shot?
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: I don't think so. But it is what it is.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: That's just analytics that doesn't tell the whole story. You know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Sga will do his thing, we know that, but will
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: the other parts consistently you know, show up? And then
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: with Aunt can he get the ball out of his hands?
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Can he make the right decision? Same with Randall? Can
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: they make the right decision rather than turnovers? Because they
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: did average a bunch of turnovers against a high quality defense,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: but still this one has a rim protector too, so
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: they have to be smart with the ball. I don't
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: expect Randall to necessarily have the same type of series
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: because that's really tough to do, but at least be
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: very productive. And so I don't know, like as far
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: as two way players, like they are deep as well.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: You know, I can't sit there and be like, oh,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Minnesota is the deeper team by a mile, because they're
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: not kind of long win it there?
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I think for the series. You know, I really
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: think that if Okac deserved the accolades that they I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: think they get coming in the playoffs, they should They
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: should not have had to go to seven to be
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: Denver because they are relatively healthy. And why did you
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: struggle so poorly on the road versus Denver team that
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: had some guys get beat up a little bit later
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: like or maybe in the clutch time too. Yeah, may
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Denver is just undervalued. Maybe Yokich is just simply brether
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: than SGA and need to have a great series. So
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: in the back of my head, I just kept thinking, Man,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: if okay See is as good as people say, they
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: should have cleaned up house a little bit quicker burst
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Denver than they did. So maybe okay S's overrated to
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: that extent, just from like kind of like, yeah, a
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: scarious betting standpoint. I do think that one person everyone
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: seems to love obviously is.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: God.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: Why am I drawing to Blake How's name right now? Uh?
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: Chrus?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who apparently guards Everybody's a little bit dirty, little
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: bit feisty, kind of bumps elbows and ship, you know,
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: so obviously game against he's he's gonna be a big,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: a big factor in the series. Yeah, I just think that.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: But on the other standpoint, for my part, I don't
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: watch the Wolves closely as you and some other Wolves
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: friends do. But man, sometimes you just watch them play
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: for a court, You're like, what, man, Sometimes you all
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: just don't pass the ball and they it's almost like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: goes from forty five minutes. We're like, hey, come down, shoot,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: come down, shoot and shoot pass to the three. Shoot,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: And it's almost like, if the Wolves will pass the
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: ball around, their offense is beautiful because then you have
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Randall can post that or and can go in for
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: a layup like you know, and they have all those
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: role players spot three. He's like, damn, that's beautiful. But
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: when the Wolves have like a no shot, a no
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: pass possession, or one pass and shot possession, man, it
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: gets ugly. So I really think it's gonna come down
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: to really the Wolves kind of control their destiny more so,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: and how I can, okay see plays them because if
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: they do facilitate the ball and you let raand Lewis
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: part add through his part, but then you also let
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: McDaniels hit threes, kind of hit a couple threes, Like
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: I think that offense is a well oiled machine when
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: they pass. But it does, but it seems like sometimes
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: for a quarter they'll kind of get a little just
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: lose your mind a little bit. And now, are you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: gonna be able to do that against okay see and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: still win a game like that? Now, obviously they could
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: versus Golden State. They did round one versus Luca, But
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can get away with that quick,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: quick offense, bank bank Russian shots versus okay see, if
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be tricky.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing of it is is uh not
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: the ball movement, like you said, and that's something that's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: been there. Another thing is just not shooting as well
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: as they can from three because some people like, oh
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: they need to do this, they need to do that. Well,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: they need to open a bunch of open fucking shots though,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: you know, so do you turn down those open shots?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Probably not, you know, So they got to knock down
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: their dam and really, Dante and Alexander Walker need to
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: knock their threes down because this is yes, yeah, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: that and they a lot of them have been that's
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: the thing. So some of it is exactly what you're saying.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Some of it is knock down the damn shots because
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: actually maybe it was just a drive and dish, but
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: that dude's wide the f open.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I also noticed Denver had some success, uh when okac
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: or with okay see when they went to the zone,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: put a little more pressure on you know, everybody else.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: They did mix in that zone. It'll be interesting to
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: see if okay see blitzes you know, actually full on
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: just blitz an't from from the jump or you know,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: because they did seem like they're okay to switch a lot.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: But I think we'll see the old boxes and elbows
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: saying you're not gonna you're not gonna be able to drive, sorry,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: but good luck. So I think that that is a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: you know, a pretty big deal. And and you know,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Rudy and Randall and nas as far as being big,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: you know, we'll need to show up obviously. The thing
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: about it's one okay see does turn like causlot of turnovers, Marshall,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: but they also limit their own turnovers. And that's a
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: hell of a combo, you know. That's that I don't
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't like that. We do have a
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: little run here of eighteen games. The Wolves are sixteen
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: and two. This is from a great follow on Twitter,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Charlie Walton at Charlie Walton MN. They're sixteen and two
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: and this just postseason in general. The last two years,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: when they've held their opponents under forty eight percent from field,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: they've yet to allow their opponent to shoot forty eight
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: percent or higher in the playoff this year the last
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: time that someone shot over forty eight percent. You know
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: who Dallas shot in Game five, They shot almost fifty
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: five percent. That's when Luca tried to take it out
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: in the first quarter. Remember when he launched like a
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: half court three almost He's like, let's just end this today.
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: And you know that he did end it today. So
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I already have money on
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: a plus two ninety just because that's not even being biased.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: You can say it's a little emotional, but I don't.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't put like, you know, five hundred dollars down
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it's like I'm free, you know, trying
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: to you know, make a bunch of money off of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: one bet. Another thing I'll say is if you look
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: at aunt Edwards now through another round, is getting to
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: the rack the second most, But he needs to finish that. Yeah,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: because if you look at so Jannis was getting there
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: ton times had ten layups a game. Ant's almost eight
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: eight a game, right, ben Chero's eight, but he he's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: closing a shooting forty eight point seven compared to Yiannis
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: who was sixty eight. And then even Randall's like eighth
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: on the list because he's getting to the rock a lot,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: but he's fucking His layups are seventy five point five percent.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: You know, James sixty five percent like beside him and
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: Cunningham are the only ones on this list that couldn't
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: finish as much. And you know that's where analytics. You
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: see analytics and then you go, yep, that's about right.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: That's been happening, you know, just watching these games. According
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to Shane Young, okay See has forced two hundred and
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: one turnovers in the playoffs. It's the most turnovers forced
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: in eleven game playoffs since the two thousand than seven
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: we believe Warriors, and second most since the ninety six Bulls. Now,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: the one thing I'll say about certain stats nowadays compared
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: to even ten years ago and getting into the nineties,
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: is you have more possessions. Yes, a fair amount more.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: This pace is more closer to the eighties than it
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: is the nineties in most of the two or the
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: two thousands, you know, so some of that can be
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: stat you know, some of these analytics now, like when
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: it comes to points, rebounds, assist still, you know, like
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: I respect them, right because I compare them to what's
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: going on right now. But I don't like to go
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: overboard to the comparison when the pace is much slower
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: because you have you have less possessions and then as
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: we know, you're taking way less threes right for certain points,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: and then you're also the rule changes, you know clearly,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: you know you you just couldn't. You couldn't do that,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: you know. So it's a lot easier to score now
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: than it used to be. So I kind of like
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: to just compare it right now rather than saying, this
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: is why this player is better because in you know,
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: compared to nineteen ninety six, it's like, yeah, but dude,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you can't compare that, you know what I mean, especially
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: when it comes to guards, because that's why I really
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: look at iverson and go holy shit, because the power
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: forwards center position in the eighties and nineties, I mean
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: it was way deeper, dude, And oh yeah, you know.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: So it's it's it's much tougher to score that hole,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, threes and at the rim. It wasn't that
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: easy to get at the rim, you know. But either way,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: it's a hell of a stat regardless. That just shows you.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, I just think it's closer
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: than I'm not calling a fifty to fifty, but I'm
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: also not saying seventy thirty or seventy five twenty five.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: I'm going with kind of some repeat magic of last
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 2: year for Denver something, go Wolves in seven?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: So what'd you say, the repeat from the magic.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: Or the magic of winning game seven in Denver? Yeah?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: So wolves in in? Uh in game seven?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Okay? See yeah, And I'm uh, you know, yesterday I
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: did a Timberrolves podcast and I'm not about to sit
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: here and change my pick, you know what I mean.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: I got Wolves in seven as well. I just let's
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: see them because let's see everybody else score too, because
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: you gotta score, you know, you gotta score too. Sga
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: is a hell of a player based off how most
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: of the time Westbrook is different. When he was a
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: seventh seed or sixth seed. But most of the time,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: the number one record, the number one player is gonna
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: get the m v P right or or you know,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: if you're up there, like if you're I don't know,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: if you're like a second seed and you're just a
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: little bit behind him. But so I I I'm okay
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: with s g A winning the m v P. I mean,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: they still got to announce the damn thing, right, Have
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: they announced it yet?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: Usually it's in the second round. I remember. I remember
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: that year where Dirk won it and then and then
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: they got beat by Golden State. Actually is that the
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: year or somebody else that beat him? No, that was
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: that Golden State that beat him in the first round. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: because because then they announced it like m VP and
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: everyone was shitting on dirt. And then he kind of
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: used that to fuel him and he he got better
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: at rebounding, he got a little better at defense, and
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: then he ended up, you know, uh, winning the championship
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: when people didn't think he was gonna because they were
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: the number one see was the best record, you know,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: and so that that one hurt because it's like, oh, dude,
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: like you usually don't see that. But yeah, it'll I'm
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: okay with SGA winning it this year, and you know,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: MVPs usually you should have won it the year before.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: And like the Jokich, you could say he's having a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: better year, but then again he's they're relying on him
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: more too, you know. Yeah, so who's to say it's
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: a better year just because the stats say, well, you know,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: when he wasn't he put up lesser And I hate
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: to even use that word lesser on his stats, but
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: I just I don't think he's played better this year
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: than he played last year. I think it's about the same.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: I guess in the you know, in this last series,
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: you could say it was below a standard he sets.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: It's like twenty twenty, but still he had like three
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: good games out of the six or out of the seven.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: So but yeah, that that about does it? Man any
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: any final words. By the way, through the first round
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: or the I remember talking about the ratings, they were
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: only one percent down for the whole year, regular season,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: A lot of that just a start in the fall.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: But they're still up like a decent amount past the
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: second round now, so heading in the third round they're
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: higher than they were last year. So we'll see how
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: that goes. I bet you they want Minnesota though in
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: New York I think ants popularity in the just the
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: sheer volume of you know, New York. You know. Yeah,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: that's probably their best matchup for all the people that
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: say it's all fixed. But yeah, it'll be interesting to see.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Hopefully we don't get what we got last year, where
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: it's five games, and you know, those first three games
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota Dallas were fun ass games, but three zero
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: the casuals check out because yeah, that's not happening, you know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: and we got I think that hurt the finals too
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: because it was like a week off for both teams,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: you know, and it killed the momentum.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: True.
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I looked at the game seven for the for the Timberwolves,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: ok see, and it would be on a Sunday, and
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: so they no matter what, they'd have Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: off before they started the next series. So oh, okay,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: at least it wouldn't just go right into it or
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: anything like that, you know.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Sure. Well, yeah, on that note, we're we got some
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: We have four good teams. It's gonna be a fun
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: new champion of Crown this year. The Boys will be
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: back next week have a good night piece,