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Patriots Unfiltered 2/11: Super Bowl Recap, NFL Draft Talk, Offseason Outlook · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think Scratch is going to be doing as
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  Speaker 3: much of that as he is going to be helping
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  Speaker 3: Rabel manage the clock situation. Yeah, yeah, did he go
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  Speaker 3: to your school?
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  Speaker 4: Pome? Was he graduate?
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  Speaker 5: He has not taken the matriculated that I was not
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  Speaker 5: taking the course. So we'll see Jerry's out on him.
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  Speaker 2: Malcolm was sticking to the coach's decision answer.
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  Speaker 4: What was that like for you guys when you were
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  Speaker 4: you guys went to that Super Bowl?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 4: You actually got to watch it?
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  Speaker 5: Robbed some more of my Facebook memories that have just
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  Speaker 5: been peppering me all week.
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  Speaker 3: And I covered that team and that that offense was
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  Speaker 3: already on the eighteen offense.
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  Speaker 5: Right, take a step back all more time.
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  Speaker 4: Drake won the ping pong championship last night. He's a killer.
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  Speaker 4: I thin I'm gonna do a roast. I'm gonna try
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  Speaker 4: to do a roast.
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  Speaker 3: You're gonna do a roast. It's a little aggressive for
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 5: I just think it's kind of odd super Bowl fair. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I don't think it's all that.
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  Speaker 4: Harding oysters Rockefeller.
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  Speaker 5: Not the tenders with no bone.
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  Speaker 3: That's that's called a boneus chicken wing.
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  Speaker 5: It's a tender. No, it's a tender.
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  Speaker 3: It's a chick.
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  Speaker 5: Why do you have to be stubborn?
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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome into Patriots Unfiltered. That's right, everybody. It's
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  Speaker 4: Deuce in the host chair today. Fred is worth is
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  Speaker 4: Fred is tropical.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know. We're gonna have to try to get
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  Speaker 5: through without him.
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  Speaker 4: Parts unknown body instructed us. I know we got to
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  Speaker 4: recap a super Bowl. Of course. The big news Jeremiah
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  Speaker 4: Farms resigned this morning, a cording to his agent. So
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  Speaker 4: plenty to get here today. But we're officially in the offseason. Guys.
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  Speaker 4: It's kind of a nice feeling now. The twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: four seasons back up behind us. Congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles,
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  Speaker 4: your world champions and.
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl champions.
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  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, just the super Bowl. There's a league in
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  Speaker 4: Europe somewhere that maybe we don't know for sure, anybody
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  Speaker 4: the Eagles would beat the rain fire or something of
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  Speaker 4: that nature. Yeah, Ryan Rain You know, anyway, we're here,
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  Speaker 4: Give us a call, give us an email, shout out,
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  Speaker 4: just the three of us, guys, and uh, I guess
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  Speaker 4: the place to start is the Super Bowl, the Eagles
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  Speaker 4: blowing out the Chiefs. I don't want to spoil the
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  Speaker 4: results from your from our pregame. What do you call
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  Speaker 4: them odds that we were picking, But I felt like
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  Speaker 4: I went into that pick of just like I was
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  Speaker 4: so beaten down by the Chiefs. I'm just like, they're
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  Speaker 4: just gonna figure it out, Like I just I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what else to say. I feel terrible about it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna pick Patrick Mahomes to go off, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: pick Travis Kelcey to go off, and I'm gonna pick
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  Speaker 4: the Chiefs to somehow find a way to win that game.
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  Speaker 4: And I kept waiting for it to happen. I kept
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  Speaker 4: waiting for them to show signs of life. Too little,
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  Speaker 4: too late. Never happened. And Pick six, Cooper de Gene.
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  Speaker 4: That was probably the moment for me where I was like,
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  Speaker 4: holy crap, this seems like it's happening today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the biggest upset to me was the fact that
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  Speaker 5: Alex isn't here, because Alex was the only one who
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  Speaker 5: picked Philadelphia. Oh and we all know that our girl
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  Speaker 5: Alex can take a victory, so I'm very surprised she's not.
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  Speaker 5: You know, the Kendrick halftime and all the commercials, the
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  Speaker 5: pop culture aspect, I think that this would be prime
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  Speaker 5: time for for young Alex. But we were talking about Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: well I watched some of the commercials, maybe not as
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  Speaker 5: close as Evan.
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  Speaker 4: You watched them too, right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I wasn't you know, I didn't take notes,
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  Speaker 3: but I watched some of the commercials and halftime show obviously,
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  Speaker 3: But we'll get to that. I can start with the football.
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  Speaker 4: Start with the football. What what were your takeaways watching?
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  Speaker 3: First of all, I just thought that I was most
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  Speaker 3: surprised by the lack of answers that Andy Reid had
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  Speaker 3: for Vic Fangio and and for that Eagles defense. They
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  Speaker 3: looked totally outclassed coaching and personnel wise. But just watching
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  Speaker 3: back some of the recaps of the game, I did
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  Speaker 3: not break down the all twenty two because not my team,
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  Speaker 3: but I just reading other people that did, it seemed
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  Speaker 3: like Vangio just eventually got kind of simple and was
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  Speaker 3: just rushing for and playing a lot of quarters and
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  Speaker 3: cover three in the back end. And it wasn't anything
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  Speaker 3: overly creative or exotic. It just they were playing better
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  Speaker 3: defense and the Chiefs were capable of playing offense. And
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  Speaker 3: I know a lot of the talking points out of
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  Speaker 3: this game is about the trenches and building the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage like the Eagles did, and that's certainly a
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  Speaker 3: big takeaway of mine as well. But there's a conversation
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  Speaker 3: now that needs to be had if you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: spin this towards the Patriots, of how to go about
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  Speaker 3: doing that and in which side of the ball is takes,
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  Speaker 3: you know, emphasis in which side is more important. But
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  Speaker 3: it was cool to see that become a big talking
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  Speaker 3: point and have people recognize the offensive and defensive line
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  Speaker 3: play of Philadelphia and how dominant they were.
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  Speaker 4: Do we do that too much? Paul? After a team
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  Speaker 4: wins Super Bowl, you look at them and you say,
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  Speaker 4: this is how that's it to do it.
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  Speaker 5: That's it, right, that's it, you know, Yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 5: That's the way you win. That's the only way you win.
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  Speaker 5: See what happens that's what you win. I just completely
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  Speaker 5: I agree with everything you haven't said, completely dominant. You know,
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  Speaker 5: for sixty full minutes, it was really not competitive at
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  Speaker 5: any point. The one thing that I would say that
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  Speaker 5: I would be a little bit different than most people,
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  Speaker 5: and I'm not taking anything away from the Fangio aspect
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  Speaker 5: or the simplicity of the game plan, just I just
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  Speaker 5: felt like it really exacerbated the talent difference. And the
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  Speaker 5: one thing that I said that I'm I said Kansas
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  Speaker 5: City was going to win. So I'm not trying to
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  Speaker 5: tell you now, oh, I actually, but I did make
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  Speaker 5: one comment and I said, if if Jalen Hurts plays
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  Speaker 5: similar to the way he played against Washington, I do
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  Speaker 5: think that Philadelphia will win because I do think, and
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  Speaker 5: I think Evin said this all last week. Philadelphia is
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  Speaker 5: the better team. I thought the difference in quarterback was
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  Speaker 5: going to be the difference in the game. Jalen Hurts
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  Speaker 5: vastly outplayed Patrick Mahomes in this game, and I think
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  Speaker 5: that's why they won. I know that everybody can point
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  Speaker 5: to the fact that the Chiefs, you know, got completely
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  Speaker 5: shut down. I think a big part of the reason
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  Speaker 5: why they got shut down was less about being harried
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  Speaker 5: and harassed. I know that's like the Mahomes apologists are
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  Speaker 5: going to tell you we got sacks six times. And
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  Speaker 5: I think he was terrible in this game. I think
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  Speaker 5: he had place to make and didn't make them. He
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  Speaker 5: kept throwing the ball into the ground. He kept making
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  Speaker 5: his receivers make very difficult catches that shouldn't have been
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  Speaker 5: that difficult. Now there was some drops there too. I
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  Speaker 5: thought Kelsey showed his age a little bit, and the
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  Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins drop was completely.
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  Speaker 4: Retired, excusable retiring. He didn't.
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  Speaker 5: That was a fake account, stupid Twitter. That was a
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  Speaker 5: fake Adam Schefter account.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, God, they got me.
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  Speaker 5: But I will say Jalen Hurts was really really good
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  Speaker 5: in this game, both with his legs and his arm.
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  Speaker 5: And they're on what they're gonna put forty points on
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  Speaker 5: the board. That defense isn't gonna lose well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: let's say thirty three. So they had to pick six.
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  Speaker 5: We'll call it thirty three. They're not going to lose
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  Speaker 5: too many games doing that. I thought Mahomes was terrible. Again,
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  Speaker 5: there's an overreaction, so not like he's not really he's
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  Speaker 5: not really good at it, Like he's you know, like
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  Speaker 5: that's just that's the game, you know, you know, he's
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  Speaker 5: not really good. So I just let me just say
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  Speaker 5: this before you guys can continue with the football. I
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  Speaker 5: just want to congratulate the Patriots because evidently they won
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  Speaker 5: on Sunday based on based on my Twitter Patriots, Patriots won.
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  Speaker 5: Congratulations on a four and thirteen season that you won
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  Speaker 5: somehow something.
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  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes is out of the conversation. Tom Brady remains
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  Speaker 4: the goat, and that'll remain as is, and that.
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  Speaker 5: Was going to remain no matter what happened on Sunday.
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  Speaker 5: Seven titles and seven to four is a big gap.
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  Speaker 5: And now it's seven to three still.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, I just I got vibes early on in
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  Speaker 4: the seven Super Bowl where you could just tell immediately
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  Speaker 4: that the Giants came to.
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  Speaker 5: You want to know, the only difference, you know is
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  Speaker 5: Philadelphia is vastly better than that Giants team and they
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  Speaker 5: were able to pull away. Yeah, because it was the
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  Speaker 5: same thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, the only difference was the Patriots were so much
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  Speaker 5: better than the Giants two touchdown favorites. This was a
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  Speaker 5: pickham game. This was a one point game. The teams
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  Speaker 5: were even coming in and Philadelphia played as much better
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  Speaker 5: as the Giants did. The Giants were better for sixty
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  Speaker 5: minutes that day, but they just weren't good enough to
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  Speaker 5: completely create separation. Philadelphia ended this game. I thought the
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  Speaker 5: game was over in the first quarter. I mean, technically
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  Speaker 5: it was probably the pick six in the second quarter. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: but I never thought this game was in doubt, just
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  Speaker 5: based on the way it started.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the funny things. I know, you say
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  Speaker 4: it a lot Bill used to say it, when a
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  Speaker 4: game declares itself, you understand, and like, this is an
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  Speaker 4: example to me of a game declaring its because it's
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  Speaker 4: just so obvious. One team is here to play today
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  Speaker 4: and they are on fire, and you know, off to
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  Speaker 4: that as a coach, how do you get that audio
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  Speaker 4: team in that spot? I mean, I think everyone respected
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  Speaker 4: the Giants pass rush way back then, but just on
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  Speaker 4: certain days you see certain teams come out and they
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  Speaker 4: look prepared and they don't look tight, and they're ready
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  Speaker 4: to go. And that was just what stood out to me.
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  Speaker 4: But real quick programming, note, they are rerunning the super
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  Speaker 4: Bowl here on the TV in front of us, So
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  Speaker 4: if you hear us comment not quite red zone Paull,
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  Speaker 4: but Super Bowl Paul, maybe I.
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  Speaker 5: Got it on meaningful play in the game.
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  Speaker 3: So I just going back to the whole team building
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  Speaker 3: thing of it all. I think the part that gets
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  Speaker 3: people optimistic about watching a game like that is you
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  Speaker 3: don't have to necessarily no offense to Jalen Hurts, but
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  Speaker 3: you don't necessarily have to have the unicorn quarterback to
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  Speaker 3: get to the top of the mountain. And I think
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  Speaker 3: what happens is is when you go from Brady running
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  Speaker 3: the NFL just directly to Mahomes running the NFL, you
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  Speaker 3: get this feeling of we can't win if we don't
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  Speaker 3: have that kind of guy, Like, if we don't have
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  Speaker 3: a generational talent at the quarterback position, then we're screwed.
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  Speaker 3: And Jalen Hurts a really good quarterback. But the Eagles,
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  Speaker 3: in the way that they've built up their roster, if
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  Speaker 3: your owner invests in the roster, if you draft correctly,
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  Speaker 3: you know they were able to really build a super
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  Speaker 3: team around Jalen Hurts. And that's what you know how
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  Speaker 3: they got here. I don't think Jalen Hurts on his
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  Speaker 3: own gets you to this point if you're Philadelphia, But
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just looking at their roster from top to bottom.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's absolutely loaded, and it's through all avenues.
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  Speaker 3: You know, free agency, uh, Sakwon Barkley, you trade for
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  Speaker 3: AJ Brown, you draft Georgia Bulldogs in the first.
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  Speaker 5: Around every year, all across, right, it's it's high price
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  Speaker 5: free agents, it's low priced free agents like Zach Baum.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's it's incredible drafting, it's you know, shrewd
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  Speaker 5: trade like a J Brown. Like really good point that
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  Speaker 5: it wasn't just one thing that they did right.
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  Speaker 3: And and really however, that's why I think Howard Roseman
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  Speaker 3: is the gold standard right now because Laurie gives him
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  Speaker 3: the flexibility to spend the money and that that's big.
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  Speaker 3: But they also just have this ability to find talent
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  Speaker 3: everywhere and in spades, just all over the roster. Even
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  Speaker 3: though you know you mentioned Zach Bond, Milton Williams has
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  Speaker 3: a huge game, you know, third round draft pick at
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  Speaker 3: a law tech like not someone that is you know,
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  Speaker 3: necessarily super heralded coming out. Josh Sweat was a fourth
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  Speaker 3: round draft pick a couple of years ago. So you're
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  Speaker 3: you're finding these guys not just in the first round.
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  Speaker 3: The one thing the Eagles do that. I think is
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  Speaker 3: is also interesting with the draft, they they kind of
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  Speaker 3: go consensus, like they draft a lot of the consensus
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  Speaker 3: name brand. You know, we're gonna draft from Alabama, We're
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  Speaker 3: gonna draft from Georgia. We're gonna draft Jalen Carter, we're
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  Speaker 3: gonna we're gonna draft Avante Smith. Like they don't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: go off the board too often and and you're like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: like why did they draft that guy? Uh So they're
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  Speaker 3: something to be said for that as well, But just
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  Speaker 3: the way that they've completely built up that roster and
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  Speaker 3: even going from like Jason Kelce to Cam Jurgens, who's
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  Speaker 3: not as good as Jason Kelce, but it wasn't really
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  Speaker 3: that major of a drop off going from a Hall
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  Speaker 3: of Fame center to the next guy in line who
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  Speaker 3: they had in waiting, you know.
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  Speaker 5: For a couple of years with a second round pick.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So it's again it's sort of doing what Belichick did
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  Speaker 5: for years, right, identifying where the guys are starting to
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  Speaker 5: age and getting replacements ready to go.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well Fletcher Cox is aging up, you go, Jalen
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  Speaker 4: Carter maybe at a certain point that we don't need him.
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  Speaker 4: I'd even point out Nikobe Dean is another example of
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  Speaker 4: a guy who he's too small, he falls a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: but they're able to take a chance on him. He becomes,
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  Speaker 4: you know, a good player despite some of the questions
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  Speaker 4: that came out during the pre draft process. But I
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  Speaker 4: just think it's to me, both teams are kind of
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  Speaker 4: a testament to what you said of and I think
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  Speaker 4: that the Chiefs, we pump them up for being really
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  Speaker 4: good with their draft picks. And I went on with
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  Speaker 4: with Arcam last night and that's what he asked me.
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  Speaker 4: He's like, you know what, what's the model here? And
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  Speaker 4: I just for me, it's the same thing. You got
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  Speaker 4: a draft, Well, you got to hit on some of
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  Speaker 4: these mid round guys that you know, Day two, late
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  Speaker 4: Day two, early Day three picks that we a lot
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  Speaker 4: of times consider throwaways. Got to hit on some of those.
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  Speaker 4: And if you don't, you look at the Patriots roster
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  Speaker 4: right now and you're like, we got a couple players.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what we have beyond that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he just doesn't overthink it how he rose. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Cooper dejen was the fortieth overall pick. He was a
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  Speaker 3: first round talent. Now he came into the draft hurt
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  Speaker 3: and I think that was a big reason. But there
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  Speaker 3: was also some questions of he's kind of a tweeter,
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  Speaker 3: is he a corner? Is he a safety? Is he
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  Speaker 3: really going to have the athleticism to play on the outside.
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  Speaker 3: And Howie Roseman looked at it and said, football player.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he's just a really good football player, and
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna draft him. And as it turns out, looking
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  Speaker 3: back on it, how did he get there?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 3: How did he how did he wait around until the
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  Speaker 3: fortieth pick? And the draft is now pretty shocking. You know,
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  Speaker 3: Quinnon Mitchell just an awesome rookie as well, playing on
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  Speaker 3: the outside from Toledo, and you go to the Senior
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  Speaker 3: Bowl and you see him and he has this huge
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  Speaker 3: week down there and mobile, and he's a consensus first
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  Speaker 3: round pick ends up an eagle. Like those types of
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  Speaker 3: picks are just all over their roster, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: Hurts was a second round pick, like it just the
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  Speaker 3: whole team is like that.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, Paul mentioned Zach Bond and to me, I
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  Speaker 4: imagine us being here, you know, in March, whatever the
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  Speaker 4: year might be. And the Patriots signed a one year
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  Speaker 4: deal a guy from the Saints who was a special
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  Speaker 4: teamer and you kind of throw it away. You think
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  Speaker 4: Christian Ellis, You're thinking one of those kind of guys.
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  Speaker 4: And it's amazing how sometimes things start rolling personnel wise,
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  Speaker 4: and it all just seems to click and you plug
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  Speaker 4: a guy in and it seems to work because you know,
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  Speaker 4: maybe you got a little bit extra talent up front,
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  Speaker 4: it's a little bit easier. But you know, to draft
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  Speaker 4: two impact players in the secondary like that, which you know,
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  Speaker 4: coming into the season might have been one of their
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  Speaker 4: biggest question marks. You knew they had a great front seven,
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  Speaker 4: you knew they had a great offensive line, they had
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  Speaker 4: the weapons in place, but they go out they add
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  Speaker 4: Saquon Barkley kind of a Corey Dillon type move and
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  Speaker 4: oh four where it puts you over the top. But
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  Speaker 4: then you know, just to get that kind of play
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  Speaker 4: from two rookies in a Super Bowl, I mean, it's like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, it's kind of pa It's like, well, Malcolm Butler,
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  Speaker 4: and you know when those guys like unheralded, but you
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  Speaker 4: plug them into the right team in the right situation,
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  Speaker 4: and the momentum starts rolling all of a sudden, you've
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  Speaker 4: got something special. But yep, so are we too early on.
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  Speaker 5: It was top to top to bottom, and it is
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: very impressive with the Eagles to put together. You know,
• 15:20
  Speaker 5: they were just there two years ago and they were
• 15:24
  Speaker 5: able to sort of retool and you know, just real quick,
• 15:28
  Speaker 5: you just rattled off three enormous names on that defense.
• 15:31
  Speaker 5: The defense was in shambles at this time last year.
• 15:34
  Speaker 5: They were ten and one. They had fallen apart. A
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: lot of it was internal turmoil between the coach and
• 15:40
  Speaker 5: especially the coach and the quarterback. They had a lot
• 15:43
  Speaker 5: of problems, but defensively they couldn't stop anybody. You get
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: those two rookie defensive backs and then you you have
• 15:49
  Speaker 5: a really quality signing with a linebacker. You bring in
• 15:53
  Speaker 5: an adult in the room and Vic Fangio, and all
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: of a sudden, everything is fixed. And I just would
• 16:00
  Speaker 5: this is the only thing, like I'm really impressed with Philadelphia.
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: Everything Evan said about Roseman, I the thousand percent agree with.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: I really like the way they go about business. I
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: think they're very aggressive in their spending. I think that's
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: a big part of it too. I think they've been
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: at the top of the food chain when it comes
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: to spending on the roster. Again, I'm not talking with
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: my one. I'm not talking about the salary cap. I'm
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: talking about spending on talent. You know, like if you
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: want a number one receiver, you know, if it's Chris Godwin,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: if it's t Higgins, whoever you are, you have to
• 16:31
  Speaker 5: pay for them. So you might say, well, that guy's
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: not perfect. He's not because they wouldn't be available if
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: they were. But you need to figure out who's good
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: for you and then pay accordingly and not be so
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: concerned with it. Just the one caution I have is
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: I think everybody says, well, that's the way to do it,
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: Like Mike you were teasing about at the beginning, like
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: the one off the snapshot, and I agree, that's a
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: great way to build a team. It's really hard to
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: do that. San Francisco is a very similar structure. They're
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: starting to lose some of those pieces now. But the
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: Niners with lynch In Evans's idol Shanahan did they did
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: it this way.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: In overtime in the Super Bowl.
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Right, it's we're gonna build. We're gonna have a stacked
• 17:16
  Speaker 5: roster with about I don't know, ten or twelve Pro
• 17:20
  Speaker 5: Bowl slash All Pro caliber players and then we're just
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: gonna plug in the quarterback will be good enough. Yeah,
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: they did Philadelphia. San Francisco did the same thing Philadelphia did.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: It's really hard to do. Like you go back and
• 17:34
  Speaker 5: just rattle off those draft picks. There ain't a miss there,
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: like since Carson Wentz, Like, they have not had a
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: major whiff on one of those important picks. Every guy
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: that Evan mentioned is a like first or second round pick,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: and they're all major contributors. It's the same thing that
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: San Francisco did. It's really hard to do. I just
• 17:57
  Speaker 5: would caution and say, well, that's how you have to
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: do it. It's like that remember that old Snickers commercial
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: with Marv Levy, Like you know, like the satisfied no
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: one's knowing and everybody's all excited. No one's leaving until
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: we figured out how to win. You know. It's just
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: like silence in the locker room. It's a lot easier
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: to just say, well, that's how you build the team,
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: build from the trenches, get there. Well, what if you
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: want to build from the trenches and instead of taking
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: you know, Landon Dickerson, you end up with Cole Strange,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Like you tried the same thing, Like the Patriots tried
• 18:27
  Speaker 5: it wrong guys, They got the wrong guys, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Davate DeVante, that Nikhil Harry, Like there are high draft
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: picks being used on the same positions that Philadelphia used
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: them on, you didn't get the same caliber player.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, and I would also the other cautionary
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: thing that I come out of this game with is
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: there's gonna be free agents from the Eagles roster, some
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: big guys, Zach Bond, Milton Williams.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Jo Sweat's gonna make it. Probably made himself some money.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: But I would just be I'd be cautious about overpaying
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: for those guys because it worked in Philly when your
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: collect this collection of talent is around you. Yeah, and
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: all these guys are are sort of, uh, you know,
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: part of a one to eleventh of a defense. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: if you go out and you pay Josh Sweat like
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: he's supposed to be, you know, this double digit all
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: pro caliber edge rusher, double digitsac guy, I don't know
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: if it will be the same without Jalen Carter and
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Milton Williams and those guys in the middle of the
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: defense pushing the line of scrimmage. And you know, guys
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: on the other side over the last couple of years
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: as well, Like I I just don't know, you know,
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: no one's smissed a hell of a football player, like
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: he's not going to be on the other side for him,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: you know, Hassan Reddick before that, Like those guys make
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: an impact.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: You know, in regard for the Patriots, how about taking
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: a run at Hassan Reddick's replacement and Bryce hoff who
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: was inactive in the game clearly not really part to
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: take it. See you what would take to get him?
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: It just feels like there's just a lot of that
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: of you know, let's just pay everybody on the Eagles
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: defense and bring them here.
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's why I like Mike's point about Zach Bond, Like, yeah,
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: maybe he's a little bit closer to what you saw
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: as an edge guy in New Orleans than what he
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: was as an off ball guy in Philadelphia without those
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: monsters in front of him protecting them. If I were Philly,
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: I would say, I know it works with him here,
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna resign. I'm gonna make sure I resigned him. Yeah,
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: but I'm not sure I would. I'm with Evan, I'm
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: not sure I would say, like, well, let's give him,
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: you know, eighty million dollars to come and be an
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: off ball linebacker for us. I'm not sure he's gonna translate.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: To me, this all feels the same bucket as overreacting
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: to the Super Bowl winner and looking at how they
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: did it and saying, well, this is what we have
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: to do. And not only that, but we also could
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: use some of their players because their players are those
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: kind of championship you know, guys that had that pedigree. Now,
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: and I mean Milt Williams made himself a ton of money.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: I'm sure same kind of thing. I mean, if I'm
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: the Patriots, I'm still considering those guys. I think those
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: guys would fit what they were going to do. You
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: on defense from Tennessee, if that's what they carry over.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: But I want to talk to you guys about Kindnessee,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: Like where do you go? Now? I look back at
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: ye know.
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: I've never players on offense that there's no reason that
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: what Evan described should shut you down. We're gonna run
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: like everybody's all over and let me just put it
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: this way. Let me just open it to Evan, So,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: what would you have done if you were the Chiefs offensively,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: Andy Reid, what would you have done to combat that?
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: Typically when you go up against Fangio in those types
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: of defenses, you have to nickel and dime, like you
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: have to get the you have to go with the
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: quick passing game, the underneath passing game, because their whole defense,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: their whole structure is designed to take away big plays,
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: so that they're they're playing quarters, they're playing soft cover three.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: On the back end. All they want to do is
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: make you march. They don't. They're not going to give
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: it away to you. So you know, could Patrick Mahomes
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: have gotten the ball out quicker? Could there have been
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: more designs of quick passing and things like that. I'm
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: sure there were. Like I said, I didn't like study
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: the film closely, but just in general, I think that's
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: how they want there. You're kind of playing into his
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: hands in a way with doing that, But if you're
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: really really efficient in doing it, like we've seen the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Chiefs be able to do before, then you can still
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: pull it off and you kind of shorten.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I agree with everything you said, and I would just say,
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: like again, I'm like Evan, I don't. I didn't like
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: necessarily break this down. It's not my team's you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: whatever it happened, there's two things that stuck out to me,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and I've heard a ton of criticism. Well, Andy Reid,
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: like he had no adjustments. They just kept rushing four
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: and they had no what do you like, you have
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: five offensive linemen to block their four guys? Should I
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: keep like two tight ends to make it six on four?
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: Like you need to get the ball out quick, right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: So the first part of it is the offensive line
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: was horrific, including everybody's favorite Joe Toney.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: All right playing out a position.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: Now he's out of position. Okay, everybody was him because
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: he's a guard. Yeah, okay, So they got completely overwhelmed
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: up front. But the bigger problem to me was Patrick Mahomes,
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: who picked the wrong day to have a really bad game.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: He kept trying, to Evan's point, instead of taking the
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: little dink and dunks, he kept trying to make plays
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: and he kept trying for kill shots running around that
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: the pick to dig that like that was awful. That
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: was Mac Jones like like his little like roll one way,
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: throwing it back the other way. It was a terrible,
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: terrible play, just trying to do too much, and when
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: he wasn't trying to do too much, his guys were
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: letting him down. I just don't think they're good enough
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: offensively with their players. Now, maybe that will change when
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: they get Rice back, But they didn't have guys. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: thought that they played very vanilla defense and they were
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: not getting over Like you're watching these plays and like, yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: he could have caught that, but he's not really open there.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: He's like having a you know, the throws are a
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: little bit low because Kelsey's not the same guy anymore. Yeah,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: you know, And he didn't have a good game. Yeah,
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: I thought he had a couple of plays on third downs.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: This whole game could have been a lot different if
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: you catch a couple of those third down passes early
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: in the game, right that I thought were catchable. Sure,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: and then mahomes man, was he bad. I'm I'll just
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: say it. I thought he was terrible.
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: There was a lot of Patriots vibes of like the
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: down years, the down years, I say in air quote
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: for where like they just didn't have enough offensively and
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: they were kind of putting it together, whether it was
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: the offensive line in like twenty fifteen, or it was
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: the receivers in five six, you know that rang.
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think it's a great comedy right where.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: They're just kind of putting it together. And that's what
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: it felt like with the Chiefs. You know, they trade
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: for DeAndre Hopkins in season to try to put a
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: band aid on a bigger wound, and it just didn't
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: really seem to ever take hold with Hopkins and Travis
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: Kelcey to me is nearing the end, if not our
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: already there. So he's not a centerpiece item on your
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: offense anymore. I really like Rice, but he's going to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: be coming off a major injury and so we'll see,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: and I think we'rethy, you know, prove that he can
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: be a good player.
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: A lot of that happened in garbage time.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: But he had a big next year. Yeah, he had
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: a good end.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Of the year, really good postseason, So I don't think
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: it was just the garbage time. I agree, Stat's in
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl for him. But they have to shore
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: up left tackle, like they have to have a real
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: solution at left tackle, which they haven't been able to do,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: whether that's drafted and develop or signing somebody smith, Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: which is definitely possible.
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: I just I don't think we've heard the last of
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs, but I do there's been
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: a lot of that. I I mean, we spent I
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: don't know, we've spent so much time over the last years, really,
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: you know, just making the constant comparison to the Patriots
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: and this Chiefs team and based on this game. Do
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: you does this have some kind of packed on how
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: you view Patrick? I know, well he'll be back, but
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: that is this just a one off? I mean, is
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: there any truth to what people are saying about? Well, Patriots?
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: Then we got blown out like that, Like they always
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: kind of made a run. They always kind of found
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: out before. Yeah, right, and what did that do? They
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: went to like three of the next four. But do
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: you think that this is something that is a characteristic
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: of their run that's going to be talked about that?
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know. You know, you guys can talk.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It depends on how many they actually end up winning,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I guess. But like I think the biggest thing to me,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: and I said this on Cash twenty two last week,
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: it was just getting kind of annoying that that was
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: the prevailing narrative out of this game was is this
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: the greatest dynasty we've ever seen? Not because I necessarily
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: think that they don't deserve their flowers, but it just
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: it just was like, this is the only topic we
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: have to talk about.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: I just think we're just trying to make it about us,
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Like how can we get into this, how can we
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: get emotionally? It's like, did you see Jim Murray yesterday? Yeah,
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Like Jim Murray was hilarious.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Positively.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: There for two weeks down Kansas City. Kansas City, Like
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: there was real conversation happening on your station last week
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: about whether or not the Chiefs were a better dynasty
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: than the Patriots and at this point, but no, it
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: overall it was all.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Station more than any homes or Brady.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: It will see your gronk correct as of now, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: as of now, it's not close.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: No, it is the seventh the seven year period is
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: better for Kansas City than it wasn't. Okay, but but
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: that's half of that. But that's what they're happening there.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: But that's what they're comparing. I don't think so you
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: don't like, don't fall into the trap of listening to
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the bomb bast That's what they were comparing, is the
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: first seven start?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Would you rather Andy Reid er Bill Belichick?
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: Well, that one's that one's the the entirety because it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: comparable the other one. One guy who's only played seven
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: years but Brady played twenty. Like it's only it's it's apples, grapefruits.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I understand why people like Jim Murray and other Patriots
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: fans are now taking I thought that was two Dolphins
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: taking their victory lap whenever the last undefeated team loses
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: the game.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: Right, it's not even close. It's the exact same one
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: thing never happened, you know. I understand why Miami does it,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: and I think they're kind of tool bags for doing
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: it too.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: To be honest, Therury Morris.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: I understand why if you're one of those Patriots fans
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: that's that's taking a victory lap right now and saying, see,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: you are a little premature with all of that talk,
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: weren't you? And I'm right there with you. I don't
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: I think it, don't think you take you take your time,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you deserve it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: What do you what would you do if you're Kansas City? Though?
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, I like, like last year. We're kind of
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: jealous they got Sue Matia, right, I felt like they
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: got the guy, and then you know, it's just to me.
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: It also illustrates that even when you're taking the moves
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: that makes sense, maybe the moves that we would have
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: liked in the draft, it's not always gonna work out
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: with what if.
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: That's if that's the guy, Like, that's what these other
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: teams have done, that's what the Eagles did at center.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Stick with them. You get a.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: Second round guy to replace the guy in maybe two
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: years down the road, three years down the road, he's
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: the guy.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: I guess the question I wondered if he.
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Wasn't good when he played as like out of the shoe? Yeah,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: has he even played since September?
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Right? Well, that's what That's what I'm kind of getting at,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: because you know, I went on again with our Kim
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: last night talking a little bit about last year's draft class.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: So you know, is the Chiefs or the Chiefs more
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: likely to invest in Sue ma teer give him another
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: chance than the Patriots are with Kaden Wallace on the
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: right side. I mean, similar kind of disappointing years. I
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: can't go exactly Apple's taples of who played what and
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: how well?
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: But to get a chance to play, Yeah, but.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Can you take more time when you don't know if
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: you know it's going to be good. But I think I.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: Think if you're the Chiefs, you take less time because
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: you're in a win now mode where you know you
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: can't afford to just put out a rookie there just
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: for developmental purposes. And I think this was down the stretch.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And I know Cayden Wallace had his injuries and had
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: issues staying healthy. But you know when you see them
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: rolling out guys like Trade Jacobs and guys like Vederian Lowe,
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: and it's like, these guys aren't part of the future.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: They're not They're not gonna be here. Whereas with the Chiefs,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: it's like, how can we get the best five offensive
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: linemen on the field to play in the Super Bowl?
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Like not worrying about the best five.
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: For which if you know, and I'll be I'll be honest,
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: like that's why Joe Toney's playing tackle, right. Were just
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: shooting a shot to try to get the five best
• 30:25
  Speaker 5: out there. It didn't work there, you know, at the start,
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: but they got away with it against Buffalo. They didn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: get away with it. Against Philly.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: There were conversations about I can't remember the exact combination
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: of players, but there there were. They did have some
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: options to kick Tuney back inside and start a different
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: maybe Kings, you know, Sue Matia again or something like that. Again,
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: I don't know the exact particulars, but they decided to
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: stick with Tuny at left tackle, and it was kind
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: of disastrous, Like, not only was he not very good,
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: that the other guy wasn't good. The left guard replacement
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: wasn't good either, So they kind of made two spots
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: weaker by doing that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: But which is why I wouldn't have done it. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: would have lived with DJ Humphreys at left tackle, and
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: I would have let Mahomes at least go in and say, well,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: I know I'm gonna be okay in the middle. The interior,
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: I'm not going to face anything, you know there, but
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: I'll have to worry about the edges this. You had
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: to worry about everything.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: As we've learned the Patriots most important part don't let
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: that instant pressure run right up. So game out a
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: little bit out of the way. But I gotta ask
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: you guys, about your game watching experience, your food.
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, how is your roast?
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: That's a long story. No, no, it turned out fine.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: I can't believe you did a roast well, And it
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: turned out it wasn't exactly a roast. I mean what
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: happened was I have my eye on a certain product
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: at Trader Shows, which turned out to be a pre
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: cooked roast. So I just threw this little box of
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: meat into the oven and heated it up for about
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: twenty minutes, and everyone was very happy. So I didn't
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: exactly make a roast. I kind of just had like
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: a pre made beefing. So it didn't quite work out
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: that well.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: But I I made some taco dip Joe's pre cooked roast.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: I remind me not to take up any of those
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Super Bowls.
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: But I said you were going to make a roast.
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: I was with you.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I know, you know how you're like looking down the
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: barrel of like this is gonna be an all day affair.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have to have like meet thermometers and stuff
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: trying to figure out how to make that perfect pink.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: And then you know the thing I have my eye
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: on was I'm like, oh crap, it's already I thought
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: this was something I was gonna have to cook, but
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: it's pre It was not only pre cooked, it was pre.
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: Sliced as well.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: I don't even have to cook things. So lazy, but
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: it worked out fine. Let's work, get to watch the
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: game plenty of the game. Made some taco dip as well,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: so you know, I did work some apps in there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I know Fred will be upset with me not not
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: having all the apps, but.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: We did apps. We were at a bar Chicken. You
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: went to a bar, local establishment with with Barthy watched it.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: All coming together.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: We watch the Super Bowl together every year. I know
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: it's adorable.
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: They did the kid and play dance after my homes
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: got sacked.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: But after Zavante Smith touchdown. That was probably the most
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: excited that we were as a as a table because
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: that that was like we were kind of joking about
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: twenty eight to three when it was like twenty seven
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: twenty and so lots of that.
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: I saw a meme about that, and they put the
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: two scores. It was twenty eight to three with like
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: two in change in the third quarter in twenty such.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: I made the t shirts come such a loser.
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: Twenty seven to nothing with like two in change, and
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking to twelve, Kansas City actually scored twenty two
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: points and the rest of the game like it wasn't all.
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: They were down by more points than the Patriots were
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: and they didn't quite get you know, but the bigger
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: thing was Philly just kept scoring Like that makes it
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: even more ridiculous that they scored twenty two points in
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the last quarter plus you know whatever. Now it was
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: all garbage time, complete garbage time. I don't think even
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: a single point was scored while the Eagles were engaged.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: Was all garbage.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I was in krib they scored. I was in Cryberry,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: crybaby Patriots mode at that point because I was like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: of course they're gonna they're gonna offset twenty eight to three.
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be better than twenty eight to three.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: But then I was gonna make it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: Possibly even spend one second thinking that that was gonna
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: happen back game because Patrick.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady, he tells me Patrick Mahomes is just as
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: good the old station.
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: And I just told you he did what Brady did.
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: The defense didn't do what Brady's defense did. They didn't
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: take the ball away and give him short fields. They
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: didn't They didn't stop them Brady, but he scored like
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: Brady scored twenty five points in the last seventeen minutes
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: and Mahomes scored twenty two. He was down by more
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: and didn't have any help from the defense the way
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: that Brady did.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: You're making me feel worse about it now.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: I just can't believe that you spend any time, even
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: worrying for a split second, that Mahomes can pull off
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: this miracle. He was so bad in that game. He
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: was way worse than Brady was in the first half
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: of the in a game way worse. There was no
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: indication that Mahomes was going to do that.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: But mostly we did do apps just to let you
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: know what we have.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: Boneless chick.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: No, no, we did. We did bone and wings. Good
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: for you, congratulations like adults.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: Like adults.
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: We did underrated credit.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: Underrated app pretzel bites or like soft pretzel.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Beer sauce or something.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, honey mustard, underrated some buffalo chicken dip was it
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: was at the table, always always good, always good. So
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: we we had a good time. It was it's an
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: annual tradition.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Hey, Patriots fans, if you want to see Toyota's best offers,
• 35:39
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• 35:41
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• 35:45
  Speaker 4: the official vehicle of the New England Patriots, Toyota. Let's
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: go places. Do you guys have any any drinks while
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: you were there? Because if you did, you shout out
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: of bud Light, which is easy to drink, easy to enjoy.
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Bud Light, the official beer sponsor of the New England Patriots.
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: Got some reads out of the way right there we
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: go did not have any less seamless.
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: I had a handful of millow Lights, but a little wine.
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Not really. I didn't really like going out after I
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: rough my games.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: I was your legs crossed in that way that you
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: tend to do this.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I notice he's not doing it.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't want to like Paul puts his foot
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: on the furniture like I thought your mom would yell
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: at you for that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: I think your elbows off the table.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: How comfortable are you?
• 36:22
  Speaker 7: Like?
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Let's go?
• 36:23
  Speaker 5: They did do a not comfortable at all in these chairs.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: They did a pizza eating contest at halftime, and this
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: is when I decided that maybe it was time time
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: to slow down. You were getting that the noons a
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: little bit because they were starting to creep up on
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: on Kendrick in the halftime show, and I was like,
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: if they don't put the volume on the game back
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: on for the halftime show, I'm going to lose it.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: And I might have screamed across the bar to tell
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: them to the pizza contest, but luckily they ended it
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: right right on time. But like, did we really need that?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: That was my one, my one nippick.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Of my Well have you brought up the halftime show?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna look, I don't know
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: anything about the beef with Drake. I needed cliff notes
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: for it. I thought it was fine. I I to me,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: it was every Super Bowl halftime show I've ever watched
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: or not watched. But you know, I know there's a lot.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: Of the person on the planet who knows less about
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: pop culture.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: I'm embracing my ignorance in this regard because it feels
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: like it's gonna save me from getting into any arguments.
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: Because I was just like, I don't know what's going on,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: but that sounds fine.
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have a brief statement to me, Yeah, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I liked it, didn't love it, that's all, ev Flo.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I thought that the cellist could have been better. I
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: thought that he didn't He went with the Let's kill
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: Drake Slash promote my current album intor approach, which I
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: I totally can can understand. But for you know, us
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: O G. Kendrick fans like you would have liked to
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: have heard some more hits. But the hits of the
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: of the hits, you know, kid Mad City to Pimp
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: a Butterfly, you know, Section eighty, maybe have it that one,
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: you know, like anything from those you know, like Humble
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: and DNA are like party starters, So I get that,
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: like I get that those those are mixed in there,
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: but I thought some of the other songs, and obviously,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: you know, he had Luther with with SiZ because he
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: had to you know, include in the performance, so that
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: that was important. But you know, in general, that's how
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I felt. I thought it was a very good performance,
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: but I thought the set list could have been tweaked
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: a little bit to make it a little bit more
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: for the casuals, to like make it a little bit
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: more exciting, like, you know, a little bit more energy
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: because I feel like that's the big the big the
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: hating that I've heard a lot of is that it
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: was kind of low energy ish.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I like I said, I liked it,
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: I didn't love it. It wasn't moved I gavi. You know,
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of stuff that wasn't from so
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: I know, I'll just stay in my lane. Uh, definitely
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: wasn't from my Mike has no at least I at
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: least I know, like the Drake.
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: He doesn't like Drake. And then I was like, oh,
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: I told these guys not.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Liking it a little bit.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: That's I was Serena Williams. What's she doing here? She's
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: doing a little dance, Like I don't know, I you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I find there's all, you know, there's all kinds of
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: subtexts going on. So I apologize that he's.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Also from Compton, which is where Kendrick is from.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Okay, Okay. And it was this west coast, East coast
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: thing we're talking about.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: No, it's not Drakes from.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Canada, Wayne Canada and Canada. As they say commercials, I
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: don't really know when the good commercial is supposed to
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: go on. You know, the commercials just come on I'm like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: what are the good ones? Where are the expensive ones?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: We're the ones that I'm supposed to pay attention. The
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: only one that really stood out to me was the
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Duncan one, which I kind of was like, I wanted
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: to see a little more. And then Jordan shows up
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: with Bill and I thought that was great.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Thought that was great.
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: I love seeing Jordan there. I know.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Only thing I thought I thought Jeremy Strong was funny.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Now I don't even know if it was the one
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: on TV.
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I know because there are a bunch of I saw
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: a clip.
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: That was like a seven minute clip on YouTube yesterday
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: and the only thing that made me even smirk, let
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: alone laugh smile was Jeremy Strong doing like the method
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: acting things coming out of their coffee. And you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: maybe it's because I liked him, and I really liked
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: him in succession, but I'm the eldest boy, like I
• 40:25
  Speaker 5: just I like him. The rest of it did nothing
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: for me. The little kid was Okay, this is a
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: kid from I guess he's from Gloucester. Oh oh yeah,
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: make fun of them, you know.
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: I know I need to, I need to. I don't know.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: There there was last year's I liked with having Brady
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: in it and David. I don't know that last year's
• 40:41
  Speaker 4: made me chuckle with Brady just being on the on
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the scratcher. But I was so primed up with Jordan
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: after she was at NFL Honors last week and then
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: when she popped up, I was like, of course, of
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: course Bill's like, I'll do it, but put her in
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: it too.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I thought the best commercial was Seal as Seal. I
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: thought that that was funny, but also so it was
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: the I think it was a Mountain Dew commercial, Baja
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: Blast and you know this the singer Seal right, yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: very very good, like that Dunkings I thought had potential,
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: but I just I don't understand.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: And goes for it like I respect, like Ben goes
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: for it in those that like I like he totally.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: I thought it was better with Damon. I thought it
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: was better with him than with his brother. And I
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: also this is me now, like it's like did the
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: Jordans include like I just why, like who, like she's
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: famous for nothing? They didn't give her a line dating Bill,
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: like he just doesn't need to be here. But yeah,
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: that's okay, that's not it's not that big of a deal.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: All right, well, you guys chime in on all this stuff.
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Patty's been holding on for a bit. We'll check in
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: with him to kick things off, as we often do.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Patty and aguam, Hey, Patty, Hey, what's going on. Let's
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: getta do the fred Patty. That's not like you usually
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: He's ready.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's not to go on.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I started to call back.
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: This is why I seriously wish he was talking to
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: you guys here, because I didn't. I feel like I
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: didn't really see most of the commercials. The only thing
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: I watched, like I said, but yesterday I watched the
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Duncans dunkings thing. I didn't really see most of the
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: other ones. I mean, I saw the visual. That's why
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I knew when he said seal as seal, I knew
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: what you were talking about. I didn't really hear the like.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: I get it is that theing on with the Wiener
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: dogs running. There are a bunch of Wiener dogs, like
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: actual hot dogs.
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: Now did you watch the Super Bowl?
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: I mean, not the commercial.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: I was busy doing a rose.
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: I already told you guys, But for the audience, my
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: favorite part of Super Bowl is my wife who doesn't
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: really pay attention to much football. Really, she was all
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: in because she bought six squares for her company super
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: Bowl Squares thing, and so the whole end of the game,
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: you know, there's all this random scoring going on, and
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: all of a sudden it was like, oh my god,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: if Kansas City gets this two pointer, I'm gonna win
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: the squares. So they got it. So congratulations to Laane,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: my my wonderful uh wife who won the Super Bowl
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Squares a couple hundred bucks for her I was not
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: involved in that that we're not allow it's her company thing.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: The money went right to her account. I can't even
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: touch it, as I've been informed, but it was kind
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: of fun. Your wife a divorce account, that's your private
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: that's your slush We both have our own slush funds.
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: I thought it was all like why not what the
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: checking account that I draw from has both of our
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: names on it.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Uh huh, Like why why do you?
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: Why do you have a divorce account? Where are you going? Oh?
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Well, I think it's we both have just our own
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: little side checking accounts with a weekly little dot stipend
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: that you know, if you want to buy something nice
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: for yourself, like, that's your money. Do whatever you want.
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: I don't have that.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: No, you can't put like, oh, I'm going to go
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: spend one thousand dollars on this from the you know,
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: from the main fund. It's too much, you know, so
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: side side funds, Paul, you tell her it's too much.
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know, you're gonna have to do all this fifties.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Husband's like, no, second.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: This is how it's going to work him now. Everybody
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: hates talking money though, right, it's yeah, freaking worse. Yeah,
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: you know, Patty's back. Patty's back. Hey, Patty, what happened?
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: Hey? You god damn? Oh no, maybe it's a deuce
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: is show.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: We just can't hear. Oh no, Patty, hold on technical difficulties.
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: There before forget Oh we can't here.
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: We just what do you think he would be saying? Though,
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: if he was calling in to take his victory lap over.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: He knew the Eagles would win. He had them forty
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: one to twenty two. It's a little off, so there
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: was a touch field goal instead of a touchdown there. Yeah,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: he knew Mahomes is going to sink. We'll never know
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: because you can't hear, Patty. They can't hear you.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I have to replace their effort this and uh, we'll
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: try to get back to you after after our after
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: our lunch break, nobody's maybe nobody's getting lunch today, but
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: we'll just do a random break in fun. I did
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: not get a lunch? Is that the host job every
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: day to order from place?
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: I know, like evn't brought in a sandwich. Sometimes you do.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: That, sometimes I have, but not That was my New
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Year's resolution, but not not this time.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: Per se February.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: So here we are, guys, off season, and I know
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Evan and I will be heading down to the to
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: the Combine. That very exciting two weeks, two weeks from today,
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: two weeks. And we should also point out there's not
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: gonna be any Paul on Thursday's show, so you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: be ready might be kids show, get Alex Tamara.
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: That's not going to be here Thursday either, Yeah right, yeah.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: So prepare yourselves for that as we get ready to
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: embark on the off season. And yeah, like I said,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: we're getting ready for the for the Combine again, f
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: this is gonna be a little exciting call into the show. Paul,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: of course, give deliver our thoughts. I did a bunch
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: of draft research this weekend. Anchor the coverage anchor the
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: coverage here back to at the home base. But I
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: did want to talk a little little draft little just
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: a little, just a little bit. Yeah, no, well I
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: just I think just want one big, one big. Well
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: this is all right, Yeah.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: It doesn't give me any draft takes.
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: It's like, well I came up with this one. So look,
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: you guys call make fun of me, and but I
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: like to do what I do do. But I finally
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: just drove dove in on Travis Hunter, you know, just
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: really watched him, read everything I could, tried to just
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: look at him as a receiver and as a cornerback.
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: And my pitch to you guys, because everyone's trying to
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: figure out receiver cornerback, what if he's a third down player.
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: He plays third down on offense and he plays third
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: down on defense, and that's it to start. I mean,
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: of course, get down to the end. You might need
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: a little bit more. But what if I pitch it
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: like that he's gonna be our third down that it's
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: hard to be. It's hard to get him to practice
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: it right because you're kind of doing the same at
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: the same, but that's my pitch. That's my pitch play
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: him on third down.
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: I don't love it. I just think he is.
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I've not heard that.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I'm going to tell you guys something you don't know.
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: But he is explosive, he is athletic, He goes up
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: and get that's the ball. Uh. And I just, you know,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: I've been a little lukewarm on it because it feels
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: a little bit like a project to me. And that's,
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: you know, having not really watched him and been wowed
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: by him as much as everyone else probably in the
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: world has watching him. If he's there at four, I say,
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: it makes sense regardless of some of the project, with
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: which side of the ball he's gonna play, what's he
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: gonna do? And my thought was just and I you know,
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: I kind of kid about the third down thing, but
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: just in my mind, that's the down where games are
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: impacted the most. And I feel like that guy can
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: make an impact on both sides of the ball, whether
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: he just comes on on third down on defense and
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: plays in the slot and you've got all of a sudden,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: a super athletic playmaker near the line of scrimmage. That's
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: going to be disrupting things, not too much, unlike what
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Cooper de Jean did a little bit this year. And
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: then on the other side, all of a sudden, you've
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: got a guy that people have to contend with. He
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: is an issue, and you got to know how you're
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: gonna cover him, because I feel like in a lot
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: of ways he is uncoverable, and even when he is covered,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: it seems like he finds a way to make the ball.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: So I came around on Travis Hunter a little bit
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: this week, which is stupid. I know everyone else has
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: already been try to come to these things on my own,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: and that was where I landed with him. And I
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: still love Abdul Carter. But one last draft point I'll
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: make is just I think the Patriots need a lot
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: on defense, especially as they transition maybe to a different scheme.
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: And I just think whether it's somebody who's going to
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: play with their hand down on the dirt as a
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: defensive end, or somebody who's gonna play standing up off
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: the edge on the weak side, that there are a
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: lot of different options to consider in the draft, especially
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: as you get into that thirty three thirty fourth overall pick.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: I think there's probably gonna be a couple guys there
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: on those positions. I don't know if that impacts how
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: you approach free agency and you say, maybe we don't
• 48:42
  Speaker 4: give Josh Wett too much money because there are a
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: bunch of these guys, But you know what I mean
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: Like that, to me, those position groups just stood out
• 48:50
  Speaker 4: because it's it's really like you talk about edge, but
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: I think it's really two different positions within this defense
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: where we talk why nine guys guys who can just
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: get like my can get off the edge and you're
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: not immediately going to have to ask him to play
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: the run, to play early downs. I mean, yes, you'd
• 49:06
  Speaker 4: love him to, which I think you could with Abdul Carter.
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: But even if you don't get Abdul Carter, I think
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: there are some options that can impact this defense and
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: help ease that transition really quickly.
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, those are two good points. That's very separate. But
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: like to start with Travis Hunter, I think he's one
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: of those players to me where it's the best player
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: available situation and if he's there at four, like this
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: is just not the year where you have a ton
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: of options of that caliber prospect where you know you're
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: like last year, you could get picky between do you
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: want Jolt, do you want Malik Neighbors, do you want
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: real ma Adonze, Like you could maybe decide a little
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: bit more between those guys, whereas this year it's Carter,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: it's Hunter, and I believe there's a drop off after that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I think that there is a little bit of a
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: drop off to the next wave of guys. And so
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: if you have an opportunity to draft one of those two,
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Carter or Travis Hunter, I mean to me, that's to
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: run the card up situation, right, Like, that's you've got
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: to make that pick. You know, where does he play
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. It's kind of a
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: we figured this out as we go later, and I
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: know that scares some people. It definitely scares Barth and
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: we get into it all the time on Catch twenty
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: two about this, because you know, he is like, you
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: got to have a plan, you have to have a plan.
• 50:22
  Speaker 3: And I don't necessarily disagree, but you know, at the
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: same time, maybe he feels like he's a better receiver
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: than he is a corner, and then he gets into
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: the league and realizes it isn't working at wide receiver
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: and now you have this ability to then transition him
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: to the other side of the ball and you still
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: have a chance to hit on the pick. And I
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: think that's intriguing as well. But ultimately, with Travis Hunter,
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: I think what you come back to is that you're
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: gonna get a really good player no matter which side
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: of the ball he plays on. But the question is,
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: are you kind of sapping his superpower by not playing
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: him both ways? Like, is that what truly makes him
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: unique is that he plays both ways? Or can he
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: be good enough at one position that it's worth to
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: pick no matter what, Because if he can only be
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: great by playing both ways, then you have to third
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: downs or like you have to come up with the
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: creative plan to be able to do something like that.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: I think the hard thing right now too, is you're
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: thinking about Travis Hunter coming onto this team kind of
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: in a vacuum where God, we need so much and
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: we need so much from him. If you draft him,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: if you think about it, if they're successful with this
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: draft and next year's draft, and you get into let's
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: say twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven, and all of
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: a sudden, it doesn't seem like it's all on Travis Hunter.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: He's more one of these guys that Philadelphia drafted where
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: at the time you're like, oh, DeVante Smith. Now all
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, he's not even really the focal point.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: He's just an amazing piece that you have to play
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: with and another part of this whole system. I think
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: that's what's appealing to me, and just the bottom line
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: for me is this guy is special. You know, there's
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: an element to him that is special. And trying to like, well,
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: we have to have the plan and we have to
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: have the exact piece cut out for him, and this
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: is what he's gonna do. Like at a certain point,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: you just have to look at the guy and be like,
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: this guy is a special football player, and this team
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: is desperate for special football players.
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: That's what I kind of think about Hunter, you know,
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: And I get the points that the only way I'd
• 52:13
  Speaker 5: be scared away from him is if Evans doomsday scenario unfolds,
• 52:18
  Speaker 5: and that is he's not good enough at either one
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: to warrant selecting where he's going to go. I think
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: he's he's good enough, you know, to warrant you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: a top three pick. I don't think he'll be available
• 52:31
  Speaker 5: at four either. But if if he is, I would
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: take him. I mean, I just think he's the talent
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: is too too great. And that's what we can talk
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: all about blueprints and everything. The blueprint is take as
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: many good players as you can find, and once you
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: have you know, eight, ten, twelve players that are like
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: Drake May and Christian Gonzales, then you can start talking
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: about competing for Super Bowls and what pieces you might
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: need to put you over the top. I think Travis
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: Hunter is one of those guys that could come in
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: and be that caliber of player you know on I
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: don't care, I don't I don't care which side you can.
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: You can decide that corner wide receiver doesn't matter.
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in my doomsday scenario. To be clear, like, I
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: haven't spoken to anybody that that feels that he's not
• 53:22
  Speaker 3: a good enough prospect unless he plays both walls.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: To the contrary, I think we've heard a lot of
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: people say he can be a special corner.
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I hear that. I keep coming back
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: to the same thing with that though. It's just a
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: would you rather game of would you rather an A
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: plus corner or like a B plus receiver, in which
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: one's more valuable.
• 53:39
  Speaker 5: It's a different game where I came from.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: You know, to your team and things like that, and
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: and that that's a conversation that I'm sure a lot
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: of teams are going to be having in their you know,
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: in their rooms and their conference rooms over the next
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: couple of months at the top of the draft, is
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: you know, is he more valuable to us at receiver
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: or at corner? And the points that you mentioned about
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: defensive lineman. So Daniel Jeremiah tweeted out, I think yesterday
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: or this morning that he has twenty four starter grades
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: on defensive linemen in this draft and last year he
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: had twelve, So he has double the amount. And I
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: understand that a lot of people hear about value and
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: positional value and think back to Bill and some of
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: the reaches that he's had over the years and assets.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Do you want to invest in a three technique? Like
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: you can only have one or two on the field
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: at once, so like you can't have seven three techniques.
• 55:57
  Speaker 3: So like I just that's where I come at it
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: with Mason. He's a great player, and I know I
• 56:01
  Speaker 3: kind of am beating a dead horse with my take
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: on this, but you have to look at the way
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: that the board is going to stack, and like, who
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: is going to be available on Day two at these
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: other positions, and where are the drop offs and where
• 56:14
  Speaker 3: is the talent?
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: Like that's why I think I would pitch in free agency,
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: go for those guys. Try to secure one of those guys,
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: because as much as even if you like Will Campbell,
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: I still get to four. I don't see Hunter, I
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: don't see Carter. I'm a little torn about Will Campbell.
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: I really like him. I think he's got a great personality.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: I think he fits Rabel. But at the same time time,
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: it's like, is he even the immediate answer, even if
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: he's good, is he is he a day one starter
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: at left tackle? No questions asked? I don't. I don't
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: quite think so. So I think it's I think it's
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be really hard to balance the tackle and
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: fixing the offensive line. That to me seems like the
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: toughest task because there's a lot of defense, a lot
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: of stuff they need in the draft. It that I
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: that I feel good about. There's not a lot of
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: options in free agency.
• 58:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know there's not gonna be a lot
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: of options that come available because teams don't just give
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: away left tackles that are starting caliber or above, you know,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: so it's it's a tough position. But I'm with you
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: with the free agents, like Alar Jackson is a name
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: that I like. Cam Robinson's fine, Like I wouldn't overpay
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: for Cam Robinson. But I think one thing that you
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: saw with the Chargers drafting Joe Alton then immediately putting
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: him at right tackle is that that might not have
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: this stigma against it that it once did. And so
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: even if you sign a guy like Cam Robinson in
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: free agency and you draft a guy like Well Campbell, like, well,
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: maybe one of them is playing right side and one
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: of them is playing left side, and now you have
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: both tackles taking care of, you think in the future.
• 59:02
  Speaker 3: So I look at that too, as you know, could
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: one of those free agent guys be your right tackle,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: because let's face it, like do they have an answer
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: at right tackle right now either too? Yeah, they need
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: both of them. So you know, you come back to, yeah,
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: maybe this guy's played left tackle throughout his career and
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: I know he just did this with Chucks the korp
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: for and everybody's worried about trying to do that. Again,
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: it's a different caliber player in my opinion a little bit.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: You know, Chucks the kor for I don't think was
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: nearly as well thought of as a guy.
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: He'd lost his job as a right tackle right.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: Right as some of these guys. So it's just a
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: different type of situation. But I look at the offensive line,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: I still think Will Campbell's an answer potentially for them
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: at four. Like we'll see what the arm length comes
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: out with and all that kind of stuff. But I
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: still believe that he's a very very good tackle. Maybe
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: he would be like an elite guard, but I think
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: he'd be a very good tackle as well. And I
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: think the Patriots are just not in a position to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: be overly picky based off of you know, where they're
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: at on the offensive line.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 5: So I would take the drum is starting to beat
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: a little bit more for Will Campbell.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 4: I feel like it was beating and then it kind
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: of dipped and the first started to beat again because.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: I'm hearing a lot more positivity about Will Campbell in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 4: I just I mean, you look at that tackle they started,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: yet it's going to get well, I mean then you
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: look at the tackle class and it's like by the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 4: time you get to thirty three, thirty four, and you know,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 4: top of the second round, right, you're Project City.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: That's the other point, right, is like you know, if
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: you if you look at thirty eight, you know you're
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: probably right at the end of that like let's call
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: it two and a half or three tier tackle run. Right,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: you know that Josh Connerly is the arianti urseries. You're
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: depending on Josh Simmons' health, like where he ends up
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: going in this draft. And so now you're having this
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 3: conversation a lot like you had last year of like
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: do you trade up at the back end of the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: first round to get one of those guys? Do you
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: now wait a little bit longer and take your guy
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: in like the third round like they did last year?
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: And is that enough of a solution to the problem,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: because I just don't believe that you're going to be
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 3: sitting there at thirty eight with a ton of options
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: at tackle, just like last year where they were kind
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: of stuck in between at that point. So maybe they
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: used the Judaan pick and like you know, the extra
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: picks to kind of package up to move back in
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: to the twenties. But even then, I think you're having
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 3: some of the same conversations. Like Simmons blew out his proteller, Tennant,
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: he had the same injury that Cole Strange had. Cole
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: Strange missed an entire calendar year of football with that injury,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: So like you're looking at Simmons as a player that
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: might not even play for you in twenty twenty five.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: So that's even if you like the players so much
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: that you're willing to take that risk. You know, we
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: were talking earlier about what should Kansas City do, Like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: that's a move that the Chiefs make right where they
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: can afford to stash him or they can afford to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: wait until he's healthy, and if he's not healthy until
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: after Thanksgiving they can They're okay with that. The Patriots
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: need immediate answers at that position. I don't know if
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: he's going to be one of those, you know, I
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to be healthy. So it's
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: it's a tough spot to be in a tackle And
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 3: that's why I think you have to you know, maybe
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 3: to Paul's point of like why all these names are
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: coming coming back to Will Campbell a little bit is
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: because he's really the best option. He truly is the
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: best option to fill that need and really feel like
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: you're you've filled it and not just taking a fly.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: And I guess, and I don't you know, I'm not
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: as in the weeds as both of you guys are yet.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: And I just felt like when the season was winding down,
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 5: as the playoffs were going on, it was Campbell and Banks.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: Now it's just Campbell. Banks is more like in the teens,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: and Campbell is the only top ten guy. So I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 5: guess that's what I feel like I'm starting to hear
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: more and more about. And if that's the case, I'm
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: all for Will Campbell if he is clearly that much better.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: So okay, you would take him at eight, but you
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 5: don't take him at four. I think Devin made a
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: really good point. I don't think they're in a position
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: to be overly picky. They got they got to find
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: a guy who's both talented and fills a need. Now,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: the silver lining there that I keep the snarky comment
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: is pretty much anything that they take will fill a need,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 5: so you can just find the best player.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 4: On one other point I'll make on the draft before
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: we take a break. So I just think, again, there's
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 4: there's receivers to be had. Day two, there's receivers to
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: be had. There's speed that you can add. That's I've
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: been consistent with that since this season. I think there
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: are a lot of guys out there that you know,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: fall through the cracks you get there. It's just you know,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: you start to mess around with these mock drafts and
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: you get and you're like, get to that second round pick,
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: You're like, there's some front seven guys that are pretty
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: good and that I'd be excited to add to this team.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: And even when you get to that third round pick,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: you still get guys like, you know, I don't know
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: if Isaiah Bond is you know that guy in the
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 4: third round, but you know a guy who's explosive who
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: you know, those kind of traits I think are with
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: what this team needs. So that's my two cents on
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: the draft. As I went crazy last Friday and then Saturday,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: it was pretty fun Saturday catch up to speed. I
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: just got on a roll. I started going through it. Well,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: I know the combent's coming up. In the combine, I think,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: which I've learned. Here's Paul mentored me the first time
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: we went there and no idea what I was doing,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: what I was in for. But it's a lot more
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: fun when you go in and you just have like,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: I don't need to break down seventeen different games. I
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: just want to know a little bit about as many plays.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: Top ten guys at each position. That was kind of
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 4: my goal over the weekend was to get to ten
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: guys each. I always felt like if.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: I could go there and not necessarily look at a
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: podium and say, who's that guy, right, Like I have
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 5: a base knowledge of the guys that you're going to
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 5: hear from. Now, there's a million other guys that are
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 5: there too. They're at the you know, the side day
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 5: they still do the side DA Sure you know a
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 5: million of those other guys too in this value in
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: that too, like Evan probably knows every one of those
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 5: guys as well. But I always felt like if you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 5: could just get a base knowledge of I don't know,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: say the top fifty to seventy five players that you're
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 5: going to hear from, and you have an idea, Okay,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: I know that's the guy from Texas, so that's the
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 5: guy from Georgia.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like I was so much ahead of
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: the game because I went. Believe me, there were times
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: I went and I didn't know anything more than.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: Just going off Super bowls. Paul, you can only do
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: so much.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: Correct, Mike, Yeah, you need some over.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 3: For better or worse. We're in a much different spot
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: now where this matters a little bit more than it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: did when they were coming off the Super Bowl. I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: always love that about Senior Bowl and and with the combine,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: when you see the personnel from the Super Bowl winner
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 3: the teams that are participating in the Super Bowl down
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: in Mobile like they don't even care, like they're not
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: even watching. They're just like whatever, Like we were gonna
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: we need, like, you know, a third corner and probably
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: like a backup running back and.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: Grab two years. I do like that. Josh Simmons. I
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: watched a little bit of him and he's, yeah, he's
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: a big, mean dude. Let's grab Let's just grab DeShawn
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: and Virginia here so he doesn't have to hold on
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 4: while we don't what's up to Sean?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 5: Hey, We're back? Uh? Was the touch one?
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: I hear you guys suck a lot.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: B Travers Hunter or whatever.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: But like this is my thing on Like if if
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 5: I'm wanting to take the best corner in the draft
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: home taking what done and we lost them. If I'm
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 5: the best receiver drift, I'm taking lost the villain.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: We lost you. That's all right, We're all right. So
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: we're gonna jump out real quick. We're gonna take a
• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:18
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• 1:06:20
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• 1:06:22
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  Speaker 9: Episode of Pats from the Past podcast Matt Smith alongside
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: Paul Parrillo. Please to be joined by number seventy on
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 9: your scorecard, but number one in our hearts, at least today.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: Paul absolutely right next to the Yeah, and you better
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: be careful.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's Logan Mankins.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: Logan, thanks for coming in.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: How you doing, man, I'm doing great. Thanks for having
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 4: me U.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, really appreciate it all right, Logan? When we start
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: these with everybody, because I don't you mean, like maybe
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: people know what some ex patriots are doing, but I
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 9: think there's a lot of people that go, Logan, Macon's
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 9: where is he these days?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: What are you up to?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: I think fans would love to know that.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm still here in New England.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: We live in an with that Burl still just down
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the road from Foxboro, and we have a little farm
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: and we raised beef, cattle, hay, firewood, all that kind
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: of fun stuff.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 9: Why is a California Northern California kid, What is it
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 9: about New England? Because I think, and I'm being very
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 9: stereotypically stereotypical here, I think people would be surprised. Patriot
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 9: fans will go, Okay, his career's over, finish it in Tampa.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: He's going to go back to northern California at some
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 9: point in time. Why still New England? I mean, and
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 9: this is somebody who loves New England's lived here his
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: entire life.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we had lived here for nine years before
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I got traded, and then the timing of the trade
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: was school was about to start, so my wife and
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: kids stayed here and I went there just for the
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: season at Tampa, and then we did that. Then I
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: came back after the season and my daughter was in
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: high school, so we didn't want to make her move
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: while she was in high school, so I went to
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: Tampa for the season again and they stayed here, and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: then by the time I retired, we just made the
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: decision that our oldest is in high school, let's let
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: her finish high school. And then she was graduating high school.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Our next one was coming into high school. So we
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: just made the decision to stay here and make this
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: our forever place.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: So that's great, yea, Because I was one of those
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 5: that I would have said, you know, Logan Mankins, he'll
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: be back on the ranch out and it was a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Kathy's Valley.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Kathy's Valley town.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: I figured you'd be long gone and hot to find.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: And then I show up at Bishop Fian Matt Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 5: And so one of those classic Bishop Fenwick, Bishop fee
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 5: In Tilts right in the Catholic Central League Mankins. So
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: Logan Paul's office is now next to mine, and I'm
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: regaled weekly with you know how great Fenwick is. Fenwick
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: kicked his team's ass, blah blah blah.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 9: And he tells me, he goes, oh, you wouldn't believe this.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 9: I read into Logan Mankins, other than Bruski, who we
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 9: know is obnoxious on the sidelines, is all the most
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 9: obnoxious parent of a kid that you've run into a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: high school game. And he's got to be right.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't know.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: I don't get to see him during the game, but
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: he's always very gracious in defeats.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 5: So well, see he's he's being kind. I usually bitch
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: about the referees for about a half hour. Uh, but
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: it was funny. This is this is a kind of
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: a funny story. So last year when uh Logan sun
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: Case Mankins is a tremendous two way player for Bishop
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: Fiann and my oldest son Will they're the same same age,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: not as tremendous a two way player for Fenwick, but
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: he does well. So we're at Fenwick two years ago
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: and it was one of those games where I was,
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 5: you know, held in for a leather, like if I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: could have found an official in the parking lot, things
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: could have been bad. And I see Logan, I.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: Go, did you see that hole?
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 5: By missing a touchdown? And Logan goes and then' holding
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 5: if they don't.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 9: Call it so but it was spoken like a true
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 9: offensive life.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: Well what was great was is my friends are constantly
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: as you probably get a lot of this, they're constantly
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: busting my balls. Oh oh big tof Paul like, oh
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 5: he talks to Tom Brady, he talks the two Bruski.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: Oh why don't you tell where's all you boys? Where's makings?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: Where's all you put? So don't you know Logan comes
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 5: over at the end of the game. You talk about
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: being gracious in defeat, gracious in victory. He comes over
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: after the game, says goodbye to my wife and I
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: and I get the bro hug. I got a little
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 5: bro hug. And there what you like to make fun
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: of me about for fraud. So all of my friends
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: now looking like, wow, you really do know those guys
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: are going what do you think? I worked there for
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: twenty years. I never met anybody, so it was it's
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 5: been kind of nice. Case played some basketball last last winter,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: so I bumped into Logan a few times. And he
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: was here in Foxbow at the draft party too, so
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: he's been around and.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 9: Logan and I'm I can verify Paul because Paul was
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 9: saying this to me when he came back. He goes,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 9: You're not gonna believe it, And I'm not surprised. He goes,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 9: I think Patriots fans would not be surprised as well.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 9: Regular guy, nice guy parent who isn't screaming and yelling
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 9: and swearing at the referees like most of the other
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 9: parents are. See and Jody right with his hat probably just.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 5: Like that was a draper farms. Yeah, you know, you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: would not have any idea that this is a you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: decade long NFL player, well ten plus years NFL player,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: with the amount of Pro Bowls and All pros, And
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: you would have no idea just sitting in the stands
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: watching these kids, just like everybody else, right, And I hope.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 9: This doesn't come across in a way. It's sort of
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 9: as I'm saying, thinking about in my mind that somebody
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: could take it as an insult, and I hope it
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: would never be that way. But Logan as the second
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: greatest guard in franchise history, you are you okay? Being
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: behind John Hannah?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Who?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: By the way, I just but they wouldn't change my life.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 9: But I don't know if you ever had a chance
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: to really, you know, watch Hannah or anything like that
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 9: during the days. And I spent some time with John
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 9: a couple of summers ago down on his cattle farm
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 9: down in Alabama. Crusty, great patriot and great guy. I
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 9: think you guys would connect.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got him a few times. Yeah, we uh
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: would swap stories and it was great meeting them and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: hearing all the great things he had to talk about.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 5: And he just started yelling at you about not running
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: the ball enough.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: Well, he said he liked running the ball because he
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: didn't like the pass block and that pass blocking is
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: pretty tough, so especially against the talent they have nowadays.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 9: He loved watching you play. He loved watching you play.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 9: And I would say, as an outsider, for somebody to
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 9: get a stamp of approval from somebody like John Hannah,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 9: that means a lot more than Paul Pirillo or Matt
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 9: Smith or any any other Tom Dick and Harry, because
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 9: here's a legit guy. But he loved watching you play.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and John, he was respected by everyone, his teammates,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: his opponents, other coaches. So that's always what I wanted
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: to If they wrote I was good in the paper,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 2: that was great, But I wanted my teammates. I wanted
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: to earn their respect, and I wanted opponents not to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: want to play me.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: So that's how it was.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 9: Did you think when you were coming out did you
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 9: think you were going to be a first round pick?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 4: I didn't know.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: I everyone told me probably second around her. And it
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: was funny. The day of the draft, I was We
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: had me and my wife had a little apartment in
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: Fresno and we had a little draft party and just
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: people kept showing up more and more. Like my dad,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: he's a he likes to have a good time, so
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: he was inviting everyone he saw, whether he knew them
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: or not.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: So that was always great.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: Does it make him a bad guy?
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: No. We're sitting there and my offensive coordinator from Fresno
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: was one of his best friends was with the forty
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: nine ers and he calls me. He goes that I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: just talked to my best friend. They're taking you with
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: the thirty third pick. I was like, oh sweet, right
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: down the road from here. And then I was like,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: hold on, someone else is calling me, and I click
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: the phone over and it was Scott Pioli. He's like,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: we're taking you right now.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, okay.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: So it was great. I was.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: I think I was very fortunate to come here. I'm
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: it worked out the best to come here. I'm glad
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: that the Niners weren't picking thirty two the to wear.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 5: So you obviously it did work out. You were part
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: of a lot of wins here and you had a
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: great career. Did you think it at the time, you know,
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: like you were so close to being close to home,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 5: and now you have to go to New England, which
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 5: I can't tell you how many players will tell you.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: I didn't really even know where New England was because
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: they think it's a state, not a region. What were
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 5: you thinking about the culture, you know, both the culture
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: with the team and the culture shock of going from
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 5: West coast to East coast.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I wasn't, like you said, totally aware of they
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: said in New England. I was like, Okay, that's on
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: the East Coast, but I didn't know it was like
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: right outside of Boston. I didn't know where the stadium
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: was or Foxborough or any of that stuff. And guys
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: are like, oh, you're gonna go play with Tom Brady,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, I'm not even sure who Tom Brady
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: really is. Right, I didn't watch that much in NFL football.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't up until my senior year of high school.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: I loved watching NFL football, and then once I got
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: to college, I kind of stopped paying attention and had
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: many other things going on.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 9: So is that because you Is it because it was
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 9: so much for you to play? It took so much physically,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 9: mentally and everything like that that when the time came
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 9: that you had quote your own time or downtime or
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 9: however you want to call it. I got other things
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 9: I want to do that interest me rather than sit
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: and watch this because I'm living and I'm you know,
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  Speaker 9: in a division in school, you're working.
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  Speaker 2: It's a job, yeah, And and the schedule kind of
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: makes it that way. So in college, you play on Saturday. Sunday,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: you go in for lifting, you watch the game, and
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: you have your conditioning, so that's most of your Sunday
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: while NFL football is on, so you can watch games
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: on Monday night and Sunday night. But other than that,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: during the day, you were usually busy, so we didn't
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  Speaker 2: watch a lot of it. And as I got older
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: in college, I already had my first daughter and everything
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: like that. So the longer I was in college, the
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: more responsible I had to start becoming, and we had
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  Speaker 5: It's a totally different food. I'm talking about boneless buffalo
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  Speaker 5: wings as opposed to bone in buffalo wings, right.
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  Speaker 4: But isn't what's in the chicken finger the same as
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: the boneless buffalo wings? Necessarily it does nice to say it.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: Does not taste to say you can put anything in
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 5: the boneless stuff. And I'm not even I'm not even
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  Speaker 5: anti because of that. Although he's right, Fred's absolutely right,
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  Speaker 5: it's not necessarily the same. The bone, I think gives
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  Speaker 5: it more flavor. I think it's a better you ever
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  Speaker 5: have a bone product a non bonus. Absolutely get that
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing needs work.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I got already. I already got some
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 4: some flak here in the email from Gary saying what
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: a what an amateur? Fred would have transitioned right into emails. Yeah,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 4: I know, I know, Gary. I'm doing my best here.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 4: No one's like the big boss man though. He's been
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: doing this for for far too long, and we're back here,
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: so I think we're back up and trying.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 5: To kick them out. Been doing this for far too long.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: That's not true. He should stay here for whatever.
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  Speaker 3: It's a different US hosting and shis I don't enjoy it.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: You have to read words.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to man the phone lines. And we're
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: gonna get Patty a third chance here today. Patty. Oh,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 4: there he is. I can hear him. What's up, Patty?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 5: What are you doing right now?
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: Patty?
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that's not Patty.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: Patty.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: There he is a good today.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: Oh God, what's going on?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: Patty?
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  Speaker 5: All right?
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: We got a fight going on. I don't know what's
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: going on there. Never heard that one before.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: Never happens when Fred.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 4: Hosts like Patty was in the middle of a life or.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 3: Battle ten seconds.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: I kept waiting to hear Patty's.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Voice for a second. But maybe like we melded.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: Just email us or something, Patty. We've tried.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the tp X hotline today going on a little
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: bit tough times here, but yeah, shoot us an email
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: if you'd like to read We've got We've got a
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: bunch of those actually, uh and this is one that
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 4: tickles my fancy a little bit from Jake and Melbourne.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: But he only wants Even's thoughts on this, So would
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: like to just get Evan's thoughts on the Cowboys discussing
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: possibly trading Parsons. Sniff some rumors out, you know.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: Come on, like, what are we talking about here? But
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: this is part of the of the whole like insider game,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: I really don't enjoy where it's like there's been conversations
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: within the building about it, not anything real, but like
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: you know who said that? You know, there's the janitor
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: might have mentioned it or something like that, Like, come on, like,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 3: they're not going to trade Micah Parsons. This is all
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: a negotiation tactic on both sides. They both want their number.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll come to an agreement at some point.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: He's not going to be a bit Why did he
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: ask Kevin?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: That's no fun at all.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 5: Come so I have one that I'll direct to Evan.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: As long as we're directing things.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: To Evan, as I can just read.
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  Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on the style of linebacker preferred
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: by Mike.
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  Speaker 4: Good Good Good Good.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good question. I have heard a lot
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: of they're going to get smaller, they're gonna get faster,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 3: They're they're gonna be more sidelined to sideline. I think
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: there are some elements of that. Typically, when you run
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: like an even front and four three type defenses, you're
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: shooting gaps, you're getting up the field. So you do
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 3: want guys that can kind of, you know, take out
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: the trash if you will. You know, if those guys
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 3: miss their shot, then there's gonna be open gaps and
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: things like that. So there is an element of that,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: I suppose, But I still don't think that they're gonna
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: be all of a sudden, you know, Matt Mulanos all
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: over the place where everybody's two and twenty five pounds,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: you know, I still feel like most of his linebackers
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: carried around two thirty five to forty, which nowadays is
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 3: average to above average in terms of weight and size.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: I think like everybody is like shooting for like that
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: those two hundred and forty pound guys at this point.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: So do I think that you're gonna have Juwan Bentley's out.
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  Speaker 5: There, Well that's kind of my my preference.
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  Speaker 3: Probably not, but I don't think that that necessarily means
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: that Jwan Bentley's on the first flight out of here either,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: and they're going to completely u you know, just jettison
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: him because he's not two hundred and forty pounds.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: You know, we make fun of Evan, like when we
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: make fun of Evan that he's like lying in bed
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 4: and Jess is like, what are you thinking about? Like
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: this is like when Leye like what are you thinking about?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, Mike for Abel's preference for linebackers, Like,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: that's totally something I considered. And like I've said, there's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: holes on defense, so it's hard to say, well, let's
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: create more holes, even if it really would fit preferably
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 4: what you'd like to do. I think it's a really
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: good question. I kind of side with Evan and thinking
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: that I think Bentley's here this year. I mean, this
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 4: is last year and his deal. But I wonder about
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: to buy. I wonder about Anthony Jennings a little bit.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: You know, how do these guys fit into what they
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: want to do and how can they get more speed
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: at the second level without you know, maybe going back
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: to traditional safeties, you know, go not having every safety
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: be a box safety. You actually putting some speed on
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: the and range on the back end. But it feels
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 4: like one of those things where you start to pull
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: one thread out and then all of a sudden, like
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: even the small little bit of you know, things that
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: you felt like, are we kind of have?
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  Speaker 5: You know?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 4: Like I like Jawan Bentley. I mean I I mean
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 4: to be honest, I haven't been the biggest supporter of him.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 4: Like I think he's a good player. I don't think
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: he's a player that makes plays before they should happen.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: I think he kind of cleans up the trash a
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: little bit. He brings physicality, but he's not one of
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: these guys that is beating blocks and making plays. You
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 4: know that, no question they missed him.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 5: So I don't know.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: I think that's a question for me. Kicking down the
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: kicking the can down the road.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: I just like, I've been reading some stuff about that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 5: I think mass Live had some some stuff about that today.
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: I just was curious, what you know the ball knowing
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: Patty Patty is okay, he apologize, he said I'll call
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 4: in somebody I don't know, Patty. I expect a full
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: story about what was going down here.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: I have to keep me up to date. I'll be
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 5: gob that's going.
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  Speaker 3: It is an interesting point, though, that about pulling the thread,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: because yeah, maybe ideally that he likes, you know, lighter
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: linebackers that that can cover more ground and all that
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: kind of stuff, But you know you can't make more
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: holes in the right like you already have, and you're
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: already taking on enough water, you start taking on more
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: water because you're just trying to find a type of
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: player that you like a little bit better than than
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: other people might like. And they missed Bentley last year.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: But that's a lot of that's front mechanics and like
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: how you want to fit the run and how you
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: want to play those types of things. If you're playing
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: it differently, then there's a different type of player. And
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: I get that, But I just feel like you have
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: a good, solid linebacker and Juwan Bentley, you do have
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: some of those safeties that I think can be useful
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: when used properly. Like if you start peeling back all
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: these layers, then all of a sudden we're talking about
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: something even bigger.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: It's like for me, I think the focus the defensive
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: line and getting like, you know, the edge really set,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: getting somebody who can get pressure. I think, just like
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: I'm talking about speed with receivers, they need to they
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 4: need to address pass rush this offseason. They need to draft,
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: slash sign guys that impact the passer on third down.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just it was not good enough last year.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: You don't know if you can count on Christian Barmore, who's,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: you know, probably your best pass rusher, but after him,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: it's like who you know? You know, even if Ferdy
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: Jenny plays, he's early down run stopper, kind of a guy.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: You know, he can blitz Bentley a little bit. But
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: I think they need some guys with some juice getting
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: off that edge. Jeremiah writes in just kind of in
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: line with what we're saying. If Hunter and Carter are
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: not there for them, I'm all in on Campbell. I
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: get Mike's take, but Mason Graham isn't at a premium
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: position in a class that is loaded with D line players.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 4: As Evan said, with Campbell, you at least have the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 4: opportunity to try him at a premium position and if
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: it doesn't work out, then you end up with a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: player that's not playing a premium position, just like Graham.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: So I get that, right, I just I'm not I'm
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: with you, Ev. I'm not blown away by Mason Graham
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: at fourth overall. It's just it feels a little redundant
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: and that you've got options later that aren't as big
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: of a drop off as they would be at the
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 4: other spots.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the argument, and you know, Paul's kind
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: of brought this up before in terms of like best
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: player available, right, just take the best player on the board,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: regardless of position. Is like kind of the biggest argument
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: for Mason Graham is that you just feel like he's the.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 5: Best football Will Campbell, right, if you think that, yes,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying he is, and.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: So that they're in a position where they just need
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 3: to stack talent on this roster and that's all that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: they need to do. I just don't necessarily look at
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 3: it that way because I feel like there's more avenues
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 3: than one to add players.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: So if you feel like you need that type of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: player in your front, which I'm not disagreeing that they
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: might need, but if you really feel like you need
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: like an impact three technique to rush the passer and
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: to do those types of things. You can go find
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 3: one in a different way that can still make that
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: sort of impact on your football team and free up
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: that fourth overall pick to use something you know, to
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: draft something else Whereas, like I said earlier, I don't
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: know if you can do that at tackle. I don't
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 3: know if you're going to be able to go out
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: and find a comparable left tackle someplace else Whereas I
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 3: think that there's three techniques all over the place in
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: this draft, Like you can get a rotational three technique
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: that can rush the passer on down in like the
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: fourth round of this draft, Like it's really truly that deep.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: So and I would also say the whole best player available,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: and I'm all for it. Like if we're talking about
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: Travis Hunter and Will Campbell, there's probably a sizeable gap
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 5: in talent there. Now, you can make an argument where
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: you don't really need another corner because you have Gonzales.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: Now hypothetically obviously you need two, But there's such a difference,
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: in my opinion, between the talent level of Travis Hunter
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: and one of those other guys. Same with aut dual Carter,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: I would take Travis Hunter. But if it's the difference
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 5: between Will Campbell and Mason Graham, yeah, I think you
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: could say that Graham's a better player maybe, but I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 5: think you might get some people that say, now, you know,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: Will Campbell is his arms are gonna you know, they're
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: going to measure up and he's going to be a
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 5: tackle and he's every bit worthy of top five pick.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: So but either way, it seems pretty close to me,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: and I think that is a huge need. Whereas defensive
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: the line depth, you know, those interior guys. Evan said
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 5: this about three times in the show, like you can
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: only play so many three techniques, you know, and I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: got Jeremiah Farmer spec But what it kind of dovetails
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: into I am starting to read. I think Mike Giardi
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 5: had something today. Sounds like Barmore has been working out,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 5: you know, nothing specifically about his future, but maybe there
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: have they have more information on how those blood clots
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: are going to be affecting him, and they might know
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: that he's going to be, you know, ready to go
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 5: with the start of the I don't know, I'm speculating,
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 5: but I did think it was interesting that Mike indicated
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: today sort of parenthetically, that he has been working out.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's good in good info. Let's let's
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 4: let's give it another try here on the TPX hotline. It's
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: been a little bit of a little bit of a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 4: disaster today. Not my phone, dude, any phones, Maybe it is,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: but uh, let's let's check in with Brad for a while.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: Hey Brad, Hey, Hey guys, how you doing.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: Hey good? How are you.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 7: Good?
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 6: Pretty good.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: I'm glad we're talking about the draft because I got
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: some questions.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 8: You know that.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: I know I would go, yeah, do you had some
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: more of my my draft takes for you? Firewell, I'll
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: give you a couple more because we're we're struggling here
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: with the phones. You could be yeah, well, we'll get
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: to the emails here in a second. My other, my
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 3: other thing. I'm interested in your thoughts on dude. I
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: don't know how much you did on the tight ends yet,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: but the tight ends to me another strength of this
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: class offensive side of the ball. I'd say running back
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: and tight end, or your two straints on that side
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: of the ball. And I look at these two tight
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 3: ends at the top of the draft and Tyler Warren
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: and uh Colston Loveland from Michigan, and both those guys
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I thought, you know, I I did most of my
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: homework on them at the end of last week. I
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: liked a lot of both of those guys better than
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: any of the receivers. Travis under I kind of treats
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: his own thing, like he's his own category. But I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: currently would have both those players over teed McMillan and
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: just in terms of overall talent. Sure, different positions, you
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: got to build it differently, all things true, But just
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: I thought both those guys were really really impressive.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Of me too. Yeah, I definitely watched both those guys.
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 4: You know, I just found myself as you got later.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 4: What do you think of Jahem Bell? You know, that's
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: the question of kind of comping him, very athletic guy.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: It with Mason Taylor from LSU is another one of those,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: like you know, day two kind of later prospects. But no,
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 4: I thought it was I saw you tweet that out.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you know those I just keep
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: going back to. Gronk was a number one, right, Gronk
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: was a number one, And you know, maybe that is
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: the route. Maybe that's kind of the thing that we're
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: not really thinking of right now at four overall, we're
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 4: getting so focused on those top two guys, and you
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: know it might be a little bit of a stretch,
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 4: but but I just got an email too.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 5: I want to see Dame Brugler put out his top
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 5: one hundred today and he had both of those guys,
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: and I think I forget where Warren was, but the
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: Michigan guy was eleven, so two in the top eleven. Yeah,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: Warren tight ends Warren is.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: I never like to compare guys to guys like Gronk,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 3: but like, Warren's truly the closest thing I've seen from
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: Gronk as in terms of like a prospect since Gronk
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 3: was in the league. He is really just, you know,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: has all the same traits. It's just probably not going
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: to be as good as Rob Gronkowski is, you know,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: as an overall package. But like he's sixty six, two
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: hundred and sixty pounds, he can block his you know,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: to his weight, he can use his size down the
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 3: field at the cashpoint. He's like a better route runner
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: and more explosive than what you would think at that size.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: Like the only knock on Tyler Warren is that he's older,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: he's going to be like twenty four to twenty five
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: as a rookie. So some people you know are a
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: just like that in the draft and it just turns
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: them off on that. Loveland to me is a lot
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: like Brock Bowers, like really explosive player and you know,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: similar player to Brops, like if you don't want to
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 3: go that far, like a Sam Laporter or something like that.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: You know that ilk of like receiving tight end, you know,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 3: explosive receiving tight end. I thought with love one like
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: how fast he is at that size just pops right
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: off the film at you. So I'm excited about those
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: two guys as well.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 4: This is a good email because I know you had
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 4: a tweet one of those days when I was going
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 4: through things and my half baked ideas, no, no, this
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 4: was well Nick Gortonton Scarton, Yeah, I really liked him.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: I really liked him before I Steven saw your thing.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 4: I think he's raw, but I just think he's a
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: bull in a china shop and he is.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: Of pass rush moves in his bag. But both of
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: them are are that type of you know patriot, typical
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 3: edge rusher of like, you know, they got some size,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: they have some power to their game. I would say
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: Stuart maybe a little bit more is like sort of
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: like that Ross Spetman. Stewart's like six five, two and
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: eighty pounds lying off days like he's like in a
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: in a lab to play like defensive end in the NFL,
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: but just a little bit you know, raw in terms
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: of his hand usage and his instincts and things like that.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Scoring to me is a little bit more like thicker,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: a little squattier, but like he's got great quickness and
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: he's got a really good ability to him at that
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: size to move and very good athlete for his size.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: So both those aggi's are gonna go very, very high.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: And like when I get to this point of the draft,
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 3: I'm always like, so Texas A and M had two
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: first rounds on their defensive line and they still stunk,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: Like I just don't understand how this happens, Like, you know,
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: it's just one of those things, you know, And they
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 3: have some guys that are gonna come out over the
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: next couple of years.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: I want to say, their quarterback got hurt.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and their offensive line I guess wasn't good. Because
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 3: I always text bar the I'm like, how did this happen?
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: Like, I think they only lost one game with their
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: regular quarterback. If I'm not mistake, I might be confusing
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: then when somebody else. But I think that was part
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: of the story for A and m yea.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 4: Barth to go to with those kind of random, weird
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 4: questions where you're like.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 3: Yes, he's my context guy, right, like yeah, I can
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: watch the film quite like.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 5: But they're two edge guys from South Carolina too.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so Canard is one of them. He's more of
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: like that like Joshua Cha, you know, screamer off the
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 3: edge later, you know that sort of thing. The other
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: one I think is I can't remember off the top
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: of my head if they have two. I know they
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: and I'm definitely as two those two guys are gonna
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: go the in the first round. But Canard is the
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: other one from South Carolina that tends to be talked
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: about in that like top fifty, top forty range, Okay,
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: but he's more of like a finesse one of those two.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 5: I think they had bookends and they dominated some game
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: that I was watching late in the year. It was
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: another one of those UCLA ones for me, like he's
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: pretty good. Oh yeah, he's like the seventeenth Rader prospect.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah. I like Canard a little bit. But
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 3: he's light, like he's gonna have play strength and like
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: those types of concerns. Like my guess is that he'll
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: be like more of like a situational pass rusher at
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 3: this level than a guy that's gonna play every down.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: But Canard was the only one I watched it. I mean,
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: just throw some other names. The guys that that you know,
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: kind of tickle my fancy a little bit. To Amolau
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 4: from Ohio State. You guys obviously know him Land and
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 4: Jack Big not pass rusher though, like some of these guys,
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I need I need an element of pass rush.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 4: I can't just have the uh, you know, the Jack
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 4: Sawyers of the world, like you know, I don't know,
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 4: but I just think there were a lot of guys
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 4: with some speed and uh and some interesting traits here
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 4: Mike Green to go back to the email here as.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: A battle the threeen was was on at I want
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: to say he was like ten or twelve.
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: He's got he's got a bag.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: That's Marshall guy.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's from Marshall. He played really well against Ohio
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: State during the season, played really well at the Senior Bowl,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: so he did face some tougher competition.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: And he's I'm not as familiar with because of the school. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 5: the last couple of weeks.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: Legit, legit. Now he's another undersized you know, is he
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: going to be able to play all three downs? Is
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: he going to be able to have the length? His
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: length is a bubblo average, so he's not necessarily like
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: the biggest or the strongest of guys at the point
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: of attack, but he had some moves on those Ohio
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: State tackles are just filthy, you know, so he can
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: rush the passer.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 4: Read some emails here at James Pettigrew the most interesting
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 4: man in the world, Patriots fan in the world alive. Sorry.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: All I could think about when the blow was happening
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 4: was Fred's impression of Tom's speech. Instead of honor, he
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: was screaming, Who's dynasty? Your dynasty, your family's dynasty.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: That's true.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: That's too bad we don't get to get some freddie
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: uh reaction here today on that. Well, you went up
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: and spoke with him, didn't you? Yesterday?
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 5: I just think he was like me, it's just like, yeah,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 5: it's just a terrible game.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: He always lives on there.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 5: It's just such a boring game. Just wanted to I
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 5: just wanted to watch a game. I know, I probably
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 5: would have started rooting for whoever was losing. Yeah, you know,
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 5: I was kind of rooting.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: I was.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 5: I was rooting for Kansas City just because of the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 5: unique nature of what they were trying to do. But
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 5: I didn't. I honestly, I really didn't didn't care much
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: because I kind of like Philadelphia's whole thing. I know,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: people hate Philadelphia almost as much as Kansas City. Around here,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 5: I saw a lot. I saw a lot of rooting
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 5: for a media strike and no super Bowl, you know,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 5: kind of comments. If they moved today, I think I would.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, it was stunning. I'm glad you brought that up.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: It was stunning. The most people ever watched the Super
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: Bowl for the fifty ninth consecutive year.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: It was also stunning that it peaked right in like
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: towards the end of the second quarter, and then everybody
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: watched halftime.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 5: And they dropped off after this. That I did see
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: that after.
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: Everybody thought stunk, Who Drake is no.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: See. I just thought people want to watch the halftime
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 5: show and the game was a blowout, so they stopped watching.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 5: I didn't take that as a shot at Kendrick. Maybe.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've missed out on a lot of other
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 5: things with that show, so maybe that's another one. I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 5: don't know about. Interesting. I didn't take that as a shot.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 5: I thought it was like the game was over. I
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 5: watched everybody watches the halftime show, and then they were like, well,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: why am I going to go back? It's twenty seven
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: to nothing. I just saw the show.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: I just like, what else are you going to watch?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Because all other programming is on it?
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: Like that's a good point, Like it's not like it's
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: not like you're changing the channel, right.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: Like I guess, like you know, nowadays with streaming and
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: stuff like that, I guess you could go watch your
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: show that you're like binging or whatever.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: But probably right, that's probably like people, you know, some losers,
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: Like I'm gonna show them change the channel. You're not
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: gonna get my rating point, right.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: You don't even have a ratings machine. Uh, Brandon the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: main with a little rant here. I gotta you know,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: I got a shout out to these Patriot fans, and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: he said he sent this text to his dad, which
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: he cleaned up for the air. But let's let it rip.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: I now feel safe to say this. All of the
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 4: Mahomes is better than Brady. People can suck it. Brady's
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: teams never got rolled in the Super Bowl like Mahomes
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 4: has twice now. Brady never played as poorly in the
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl as Mahomes has twice now. And Brady beat
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 4: Mahomes both times they met in the playoffs when he
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 4: was in his forties to boot an AFC championship and
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. Screw the Chiefs, Screw Mahomes. There was
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: only one goat, and his name is Thomas Edward Patrick Brady.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: I love that email.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 5: I couldn't agree more. I would agree with the last
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: sentence and the other one. I just don't really see
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: any relevance and the other stuff. But there's a fact.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: It's a fact they played twice with everything on the line.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: Brady beat them both times. That's fact, not opinion.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: A little love here from I guess it's Rainaldi for Evan. Evan,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: I was unfamiliar with your game, not football knowledge, but
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: music knowledge. I did not know you were such a
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: Kendrick fan, and I enjoyed the callback to some classic albums.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 4: Now to kick off the offseason topic, what are your
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: top three Kendrick albums? No ties allowed.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: Top three Kendrick albums, oh man, I mean, good Kid
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Mad City will always be my number one. Came out
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 3: when I was in college, So it's just on top
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: of me loving the music, it's also just the nostalgic
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: thing for me that it was that that is that
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: is the peak of your life, of right, So a
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: Good Kid, Mad City. Money Trees is my favorite Kendrick
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 3: song of all time. I can understand that some of
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 3: those songs like money Trees not exactly appropriate for the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 3: national audience, so maybe that was why he didn't play
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 3: some of that type of stuff. I personally like to
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: Pimp a Butterfly a lot. I know some people are
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: not like the biggest fans of it, but Alright is
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: probably like my second favorite Kendrick song of all time,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: and I was very disappointed that he didn't play it.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: I thought that that that is a banger like that
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: one usually gets people going a little bit, especially also
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 3: like King Kunta also gets people going, so I thought
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: that was a lot of people that like because that's
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: like a bop, you know, like that's the yeah, exact yes,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 3: and then you know Section eighty is one of the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: best mixtapes of all time.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: So I mean ball Knower, Kendrick Knower, he is, he
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 4: likes his rap game, he knows it. Yeah, uh.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: My other favorite rapper of all time. We don't talk
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: about him anymore.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: So All on the Lights then a little.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Struggles this weekend on Twitter.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 4: Hey, his girlfriend looks great. We might need Paul for
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 4: this one. Craig and Charlotte writes in I read that Chucks,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: a Corps for was released ahead of free agency. Can
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 4: anyone explain the mechanics of this? If Chukes wants to
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 4: keep playing, why wouldn't we just let him sign with
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: another team? And at least maybe his contract factors into
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: the compic formula. He probably isn't signing huge contracts, so
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: maybe it doesn't matter either way and this gives him
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: a head start. Are they doing him a solid here?
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, I knew we left the team,
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: I didn't know like what that entails that once the
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 4: contract comes at the end of the season.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: If I were Mike rabel I would just get you know,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 5: you would not get a compic for him, but not regardless.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 5: But if I were rabel I would just want him
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 5: out of the building a sap like he quit on
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 5: them last year. He didn't want to play, Yeah, so
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: why be labored?
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: Just like what I mean, Look, maybe we've been talking
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 3: all show about there's not enough tackle, so like you
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 3: never know. But if you're another team, like he literally
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: just quit on his last team and said, I'm going
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: home with my you know, I'm taking my ball home,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: like you really would want to put any faith in
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: that guy again to come back. Like to me, that
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: was probably the worst move that Elliott Wolf made last offseason,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: was putting any ounce of trust in the fact that
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: you've scored for was going to be a solid, you know,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: reliable starting tackle for the Patriots last year. I would
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: not touch that guy.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: If not every lost unrestricted free agent warrants a compensatory
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 5: pick like this. Factors involved how much the guy signs for,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: how much he played for you, how much he plays
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: for the new team, how many guys you sign as
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 5: compared to how many guys you lose.
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: That would be the biggest thing to me is like
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: they're going to sew offset any guys that they lose
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: this year by the spending that they do bringing in
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: new players that I would be shocked if they were
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 3: awarded any compicks.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: Fully, yeah, hopefully they won't be. If they are, then
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 5: hopefully they're signing you know T Higgins and you know
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 5: who knows Ronnie Stanley, and you know, we're not worried
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 5: about how many guys we're losing. We're only worried about
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: bringing guys in.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: El from Wisconsin chiming in here about my hosting Mike.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: Phones aren't working. Also, Mike keeps going to calls instead
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: of emails. I think chat chat TP might be able
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: to help text with text the speech. If you're like
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 4: me and reading is hard, it is hard, pressures on
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 4: you got to, you know, blest these things out. So
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: I think, thank you El for keep me honest. I
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 4: don't know if if you're waiting on the phones out
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: and do we go back to the I wouldn't know.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: All right, we're not going. We've had too many.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 5: I do the black jack the already and I would
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: push away.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: So if you're holding on callback on th we're gonna
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: fold them on the on the calls today on the
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 4: TPX outline. But I'm I'm blasting through emails here left
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: and right. Uh Ken from New Jersey chimes in. The
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: one thing that surprised me the most in the game
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: was that Reed and Mahomes didn't seem to make any
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: adjustments during the game. When you look at Super Bowls
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 4: fifty on fifty three, the Patriots definitely changed things up
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: when Plan A wasn't working.
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 5: They adjusted. Had they adjusted forty two?
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: Eh?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 5: Good? When the Giants had four guys that kicked the
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: crap out of their offensive line for sixty It's.
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: A great comp to that because that was the same
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: kind of thing. I remember people that just they stop
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: running the ball, you know, like that, that kind of stuff.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 5: But I don't really scored fourteen points and seven of
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: them came on the last drive.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: I don't really see what the adjust like. I felt
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: like they were always kind of moving the ball. In
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl fifty one, it didn't feel like they did
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: they really adjust anything or did they just stop making
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: stupid mistakes and they started getting stops.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 5: Other sudden the other team started and that too, turning
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: the ball over.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: So this is a similar but separate pet peeve of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: mind about the adjustments thing.
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: And I say this, that's why I asked you earlier
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: in the show, because that's been a prevalent themes. Andy
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: Reid is a terrible coach.
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: So and I say this, I know this is how
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: this is going to come off. So I'm going to
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: try to preface it by saying I say this with
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: all due respect, and I truly do would you know
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: if they made any adjustments, like like, would you know
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: right half the time, I don't even know, like right, like,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: would you be able to sit down and can Yeah,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: like they really they they did this instead of that
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: in the second half, or they did, you know, and
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: they went into the game with this plan and they
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 3: pivoted at halftime to be like no offense or anything.
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 3: But like, that's a that's a big one of mine,
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: Like you really don't think that Andy Reid, maybe one
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: of the greatest offensive minds of all time in the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 3: history of the NFL, just called the same five plays
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: over and over again against the Eagles again.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I mean, listen, I'm like you, I'm
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 5: an idiot, Like I don't I don't think it was
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: the plays. I think it was the execution. I know
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 5: that we heard this all year here, Yeah, and it
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 5: frustrated us. Yeah, but when you throw a fifteen yard
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 5: crossing route to DeAndre Hopkins and he just drops it, Like,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 5: what are they supposed to do to adjust? Like, I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: don't think the Eagles secondary did anything special. They were
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 5: better than the guys they were covering. Like, I mean,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 5: at some point you just tip your cap and say,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 5: the other they got us, they're better, Like, they were
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 5: probably better in nine out of the eleven spots, maybe
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 5: maybe eight out of the eleven spots. The Eagles defense,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 5: Chiefs offense, and again Kansas City's m always it doesn't
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: really matter because we have Superman and Superman turned into
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: a puddle on Sunday. Like, I don't think you can
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 5: overstate how badly he played. You know, maybe it was
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: just to me it was just so jarring because he's
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 5: so good. Yeah, but he looked like completely overwhelm Kerry
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: Collins when he played for the Colts. He was awful
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 5: in that game.
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 4: I still prefer this this narrative. Though, Then if the
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: Chiefs had won, and granted this would have been a year,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 4: maybe they were a little bit down. They weren't as
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 4: talented on offense as they might have been in the past.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: But again the narrative was you just you have to
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 4: have a unicorn at quarterback. That's the secret. And I
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 4: kind of prefer now we're talking more about the trenches
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: and building the team through the draft and feeling, you know, unicorn,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 4: you know, but that that's a unicorn, which one hitting
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 4: all the hitting on in the draft picks like they do.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 4: That's it is, it is.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: But I do think for whatever reason I said this
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: in the beginning of the show, whatever reason, it feels
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: more attenable. I I think that because it's like getting
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: a guy like Brady or Mahomes to play quarterback for
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: your team in his prime, like and line it all
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: up and everything like that. I agree, it's literally like
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 3: getting struck by lightning, right, like, especially in Brady's case,
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 3: no offense, sixth round pick, like falling in your lap
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 3: and having that happen. But like just in general, like
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: it feels like being struck by lightning, whereas it did
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: with the Eagles, Like that's just good GMing, right, Like
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: you just had you had a guy. I just put
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: together a great roster.
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 5: How many points. Do you think the Eagles would have
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: scored on Sunday if Gardner Minshew was their quarterback like
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: Aidan O'Connell.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's a fair point. And I do think
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: the way they run their offense is very much because
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: of what Hurts can do.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts is not that guy that Evan's talking about,
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: but it's hard to say he's not a top ten quarterback.
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: I know a lot of people said yesterday they probably
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 5: put him five. I think that's too high. But he's
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: a pretty good player, you know. So it's not like
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: they have nothing Evans favorite nothing at quarterback Brock Party. Like,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: it's not like they have like a negative.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: You're saying if the forty nine ers said Jalen Hurts,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 3: they would have won the super Bowl last year.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, thank you, Yes, but no, but I think quarterback,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: but I think Hurts is pretty good, Like I think
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: I don't think that I don't think they lost. We
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: disagree because I don't think they lost the game because
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: of Rock Party. I think that Jalen Hurts would have
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 5: been that much better than Brock Purty and that might
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: have been enough for you to win an overtime game
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: like do you know what I'm saying. What I'm saying, Yeah,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: I also do. I think Jalen Hurts is pretty I
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 5: was a little surprised about how well we threw the
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 5: ball the last two playoff games because he hasn't really
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 5: done that as much this year. In that game the
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 5: other day, I mean, he made some unbelievable throws. He
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 5: didn't have to throw it that much. I think he
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 5: only threw the ball like twenty twenty two times or.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: Something like that, but he was like eighteen to twenty
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 4: one something like that.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 5: The bombs were perfect. The third he had one bad throw.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 5: I thought one bad throw all night, and that was
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 5: the horrific call on Trent McDuffie for happening to go
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 5: near Dallas Garda after the ball had already passed. Like
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: that's another thing in this game, Patriots fans. If the
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 5: Chiefs won, that switched the uniforms the Chiefs wore green
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 5: in the Eagles. If that game unfolded exactly the same
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: way and all those calls went against the Eagles and
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: they lost forty to twenty two because the other team
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: just kicked the snot out of them, people would have
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: said it was fixed. That was the most blatant over
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 5: correction on officiating it. Now, it didn't matter a lick
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 5: because after that one horrific offensive pass interppearance they called
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 5: on aj Brown, which I thought was horrific. There was
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 5: about eight calls that would have like normally either knock,
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 5: how about the strip sack when Mahomes got hit in
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 5: the face. Yeah, I didn't hear anybody saying will Will
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: Anderson didn't even touch them right. And by the way,
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: in my league, that's not a penalty. I'm good with
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: no call on a bad time.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: The Chiefs don't get every penalty.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: But this is my point.
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 3: If that happened when the game is straight up, they lose.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 5: If that happened the other way, people would have said
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: that the Chiefs only when Theirs aren't handed. They would
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 5: have said they handed in the game if they got
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 5: those calls, and that had nothing to do with that game.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah, well, I mean
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 5: that call on Trent McDuffie was criminal. Criminal.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: That was the one right at the top, right like first.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: The second series, they were going to go three and
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: out the second series after get losing the fourth down
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: completion on a bad call, right, Yeah, they were going
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 5: to go three and out and then they did that.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 5: How about the blowing up screen pass that they call
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: like the late It would have been second and twenty
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: six and they call like the guy went by him
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: and knocked over Saquon Bar Like. Yeah, the game was
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 5: poorly officiated again, but no one cares because the Chiefs lost.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 3: It's about times will blowout.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 4: Uh. Drew from Walla Walla writes in, I was listening to.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: Just hate officials, not teams.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: This is from Drew from Walla Walla. Oh hey, I
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 4: was listening as I always do to Patriots Happy Birthday Friday,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: and enjoyed the discussion about Patriots who should be in
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 4: the hall until Duce mentioned Rodney, Harrison and Paul immediately,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: without any hesitation, announced Rodney was my favorite Patriot ever.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 4: Not gonna lie that was a little bit hurtful.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 5: I can't lie, but you have to say to your friends, lie, Drew,
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: It's true.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: That wasn't really from Drew, but well done, Stephen. It was.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Drew Drew's number two.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I like knowing you, Paul, like Drew still connects
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: to fan Paul, whereas Rodney your love for Rodney probably
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: is just more of a appreciation professionally, right, Like Drew
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 4: was just when you could have fun and not you know,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 4: be a fan fan.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: No, I really enjoyed watching Drew play, and I did
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: have a decent relationship with him, you know, you know
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: when I covered him and he was he was great.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: But it's I think it's a little bit more difficult
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: for a quarterback to have that, whereas Rodney was just
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: he was fit. Did you get to cover Rodney at all?
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 3: No, No, he already gone unfortunately. But Rodney was one
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: of my favorite players as a fan.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 5: He was just so easy to talk to in the
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 5: locker room. He would be you would have loved him
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: because he gives you. Some of the others he'd make
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: fun of you. He would make he would make fun
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 5: of you for breaking down the stuff, and he would
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: try to throw you off the scent. But yeah, he'd
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 5: talked to you a little bit about what some of
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 5: the things. Remember when they used to switch him in
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: ty Law, Yeah, you know, like they would Law would
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 5: play safety and and Rodney would play corner to do
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 5: the bump and and be physical and all it. So
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 5: he would talk about some of that stuff a little bit,
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 5: you know, usually after the fact only, but he was
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 5: he was great to cover.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: Who would used to do that to me? It was
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: it was Devin. Devin would all. I would go up
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: to Devin with like a real football question and to
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: be like, I've never heard of that in my life.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: And I'd just like have this like look on my face,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: like am I just a moron? And he'd be like, now,
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: I'm just kidding with you. But he'd always it'd be
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 3: like two days later though, like he wouldn't tell me
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: in the moment, oh really yeah, yeah, match coverage. I've
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: never heard of that before. I have no idea.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 4: Get out of here, yeah yeah, uh, just real quick
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 4: to plug. My two thousand and four podcast would be
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 4: coming out next week.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 5: Excited about that, but bumble bride.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 4: Along these hungb trying to promote my work.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: But I I not so humble.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: I spoke with, you know, with Matt Matty p for
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 4: this and and one thing he said about this linebacker
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: room was just how professional those guys were. He said
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: his first you know, his first year was here in
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 4: two thousand and four, and he said, well, you know,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: we got to mini camp and I listened to those
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: guys on the practice field, and the communication was so
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: loud and crisp on every single play in Ota. So
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: he you know, first time as an NFL coach, that's
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 4: what Maddy p is witnessing with with some of those guys.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: The other thing he said was, like Mike Rabel, He's
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 4: like Mike Frable was never out of shape. Mike Frable
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: could have played a football game in the middle of
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: April if you needed him to, he would have hopped
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 4: right in there. So just some of the cool insight
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 4: into that defense. How special it was back in n
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: O four and you know with Rodney Harrison and there.
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, you get away from those things,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: and you know, even when I got here, you still
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 4: had the high towers of the world, and you know,
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: you had still some of the macarities of the world.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: Some of these guys really generationally respected kind of players.
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: And but you know, you get to the point now
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 4: where you realize, like man, that that's gone. Like those
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 4: kind of guys where I mean he said, they didn't
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: even carry their playbooks around. They just knew it. They
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: didn't they didn't need playbooks anymore. They knew what they
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 4: were running all the time, you know, you hope you
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 4: can try to get back to that. I'm sure there's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 4: probably something very able wants to do.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and yet none of them can sniff the Hall
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 3: of Fame. Funny how that works.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: Do you ever get tired of that? What just whining
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 5: all the time?
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: No? Not when it comes to the Hall of Fame,
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: which I think is the biggest joke about the sport.
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 5: So it is we haven't had a show, right, that
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 5: was Thursday. It's a Hall of Fame. I mean yeah,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: I pulled on only a couple of minutes left. Just
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 5: interesting to me that only four people in the class.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 5: They've changed it a little bit, what's it eighty percent
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 5: now you need so it's a little bit more challenging
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 5: to get in, and the class is smaller, which I
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 5: don't necessarily have a problem with. I don't. I'm not
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: sure that I understand some of the guys that made
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: the cut. I mean, obviously Adam Vinitariy is going to
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: be a Hall of Famer, so not necessarily too concerned
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 5: about the not on the first ballot thing. That's for,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 5: you know, for other people. I was pleasantly surprised that
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: Eli didn't make it, and not because I'm an Eli
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: Manning hater. I just don't really think he's a Hall
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: of Fame caliber player. I know he'll probably get in
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: based on his two Super Bowls, but I don't really
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 5: think that his body of work deserved it. So I
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: was glad that he didn't get in right away.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Reese talked to is John McLean? Am I thinking
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 3: of the diehard guy?
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah? John McLean?
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, longtime Texans writer, like longtime NFL reporter, and
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: he's in the room for the Hall of Fame voting,
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 3: and he said there was a ton of Vinitary support
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: in the room to the point where it was like
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 3: kind of shocking even to people that were in the
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: room when the results came through, that that he wasn't
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 3: going to make it on the first ballot. But he
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: mentioned the eighty percent voting threshold. I guess that was
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 3: maybe caught some people didn't know that or like that
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 3: was new this year, and it kind of caught some
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: people by surprise, and so they it was sounded like
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 3: it was really really close for Vinitary and for Luke
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 3: Keekley and both those guys.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: Luke is another one that surprised me.
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 3: Not getting it, are gonna they They're gonna be fine,
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: married into the finalists next year, like their grandfathered.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 5: In because the high enough.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so like that's really just a matter of time.
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 3: But I still just I got to vouch for my guys,
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 3: Like I still feel like it's too hard for some
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 3: of these dynasty or patriots to get into the Hall.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: But I think that, you know, reading some of the
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 3: stuff post Hall of Fame, it definitely sounds like there
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: are even some people that voted on it that were like, wait.
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 10: No, no coach contributor. Yeah, builds up next year. So
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 10: we'll see how that goes. You know, maybe we'll be
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 10: headed there. Maybe Bill Ann Vinitaria.
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 5: Maybe perhaps maybe maybe builds.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 4: Up unless he comes unless he comes back to the NFL. Well,
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  Speaker 4: hal for you, guys. Are we reaching an oversaturation point
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 4: with Peyton and Eli? Is this bit getting old yet?
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: Have we seen enough of those two?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: We get it? I mean, I enjoy this, but there's
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 5: a lot the Kelsey's I'm done with.
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: That's gonna get worse if Travis retires them.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 5: At least Peyton and Eli are funny, Like I don't
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 5: find Jason.
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  Speaker 4: And at all. I don't find it funny at all.
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  Speaker 5: I just being I.
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  Speaker 3: Don't find Travis funny. I think Jason Kelsey is a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more entertaining, and I do think he actually
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  Speaker 3: talks ball pretty well when they let him. When they
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: don't just let him, like make him do like the
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  Speaker 3: stick of being Jason.
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  Speaker 5: I think that's all he ever does.
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  Speaker 4: All right, folks, Well that's gonna do it for this trio.
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  Speaker 5: Paul's Paul and Commercials. I mean that one's kind of funny,
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  Speaker 4: Too much? Thanks, all right, fellas, it's gonna do it.
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