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Brogan Houston on the Utah Mammoth, Their game 3 win, 1st home playoff game for the Mammoth, Tonight's game 4 + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: You tune to the Sean O'Connell Show for the Murdoch
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  Speaker 2: Half n.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean O'Connell Show. You Tah Mammoth
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  Speaker 1: have a chance to go two in a row at
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  Speaker 1: the Delta Center in playoff hockey Tonight, seven thirty puck drop,
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  Speaker 1: Broken Houston, Utah Mammoth insider for the day's news, is
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  Speaker 1: kind of enough to swing by to talk about what
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  Speaker 1: we saw in Game three, what we can expect from
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  Speaker 1: Game four, and the rest of these Stanley Cup playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Broken Houston, Welcome back to the show. How are you sir?
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  Speaker 4: Hey guys, I'm doing really well.
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  Speaker 3: Are you doing awesome?
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  Speaker 1: Before we get to anything that happened in the game,
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  Speaker 1: let's go to postgame press conference. You asked John Tortorella
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  Speaker 1: follow up question about Dylan Gunther's shots, and he shut
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  Speaker 1: you down.
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  Speaker 3: What's towards his problem? Broken?
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  Speaker 2: That's right. I think a lot of reporters over the
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  Speaker 2: years have had that exact question problem. He's a little
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  Speaker 2: bit known for being a little bit fiery, especially after
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  Speaker 2: a loss, and apparently he doesn't like to pump the
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  Speaker 2: tires of the other team. So I'll take that out.
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  Speaker 3: That's on me.
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  Speaker 1: It's totally fine. I thought you asked a good question,
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  Speaker 1: and if he wants to be grumpy about it, that's
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  Speaker 1: on him.
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  Speaker 3: So let's talk about the game itself.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, this Mammoth team coming back to the home ice
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  Speaker 1: one one was massive in its own right, but then
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  Speaker 1: they started hot against Vegas and even after a slight
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  Speaker 1: push late second early third from the Golden Knights, it
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  Speaker 1: just was wired to wire. A really nice game for
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  Speaker 1: the Mammoth And weirdly, we'll get to this not with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of shots, but they scored four goals. So
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  Speaker 1: tell me what you saw, especially early in that game
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  Speaker 1: against Vegas on home ice.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think I think the shot clock is
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  Speaker 2: a little bit deceiving.
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  Speaker 4: And here's why.
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  Speaker 2: I was talking to one of Utahs veterans last night yesterday,
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  Speaker 2: sorry I practice, and he was telling me like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we had like eight or nine shots that were taken
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  Speaker 2: off the board because they go back afterwards and review
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  Speaker 2: them and see if they were actually shot plung goal
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  Speaker 2: and and so I think it's a little bit misleading
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  Speaker 2: in the sense that if the if the folks that
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  Speaker 2: are doing the stats believe that the puck would have
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  Speaker 2: missed the net when like it had the goalie not
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  Speaker 2: shopped it. Like, if they believe it would have missed
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  Speaker 2: the net if the goalie hadn't gotten in the way,
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  Speaker 2: then they take it off the shot clock. And so
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  Speaker 2: Utah had a ton of instances of that where you know,
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  Speaker 2: they maybe would have missed by a couple of inches
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  Speaker 2: and and it went wise and so you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think I think it's a little bit deceiving. It's not
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  Speaker 2: that they couldn't get pucks on net, it's just maybe
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  Speaker 2: their shot was a couple of inches off and whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Who cares, right, So, like, I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: That Vegas dominated possession. I don't think the dominated the shots.
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  Speaker 2: Utah had forty three attempted shots somewhere around there, but
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  Speaker 2: only twelve of them I think hit the net for
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  Speaker 2: the SATs people. So you know, I don't think that
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  Speaker 2: the SATs are the entire story.
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  Speaker 4: What is the story is?
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  Speaker 2: You know, obviously the goaltending wasn't there for Vegas, but
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  Speaker 2: Utah also capitalize on all of its chances, and that's
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  Speaker 2: what you have to do in a playoff series. It's
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  Speaker 2: a long series, and a lot of things can happen,
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  Speaker 2: and so you got to take your opportunities when you
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  Speaker 2: get them, and that's exactly what Utah did a good
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  Speaker 2: job at this last game.
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  Speaker 1: So after that third period in Game one, it was
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  Speaker 1: pretty clear that those twenty minutes were disastrous for Utah
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  Speaker 1: and that whatever the response was going to be had
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that those twenty minutes didn't replicate themselves
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  Speaker 1: over the next few games in the series. And look,
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  Speaker 1: it's been successful since that third period. Utah a close
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  Speaker 1: game in game too, but they get to win.
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  Speaker 3: Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Game three, they looked really, really good and they jumped
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  Speaker 1: out to a big lead. What what were the adjustments
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  Speaker 1: if they made real adjustments. I mean, you're at practice,
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  Speaker 1: you're watching this team, you're talking to these guys. What
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  Speaker 1: adjustments were made?
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  Speaker 3: If any?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I mean, I'm sure Andrew Journey, if you
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  Speaker 2: if you pumped him full of truth, truth, here him
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  Speaker 2: and ask them what happened, I'm sure he would have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of.
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  Speaker 4: Good answers for you.
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  Speaker 2: But it's it's a situation where and he was just
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  Speaker 2: explaining this today at practice where you know he doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to tell us anything because He doesn't want the
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  Speaker 2: other team to go and say, oh, well that's what
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna do.
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  Speaker 4: So here's what we have to do to count, right.
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  Speaker 2: And so it's you know, from a from the standpoint
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  Speaker 2: of talking to people and asking what are you doing differently,
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  Speaker 2: the answer is always, well, it's a playoff series. We
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  Speaker 2: can't we can't tell you that right now. But what
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  Speaker 2: I have seen is a lot more can see to
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  Speaker 2: play Utah's game rather than play Vegas' game, if that
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  Speaker 2: makes sense. So in game one, I wrote about how
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  Speaker 2: Logan Cooley turned into this monster and he was punching
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  Speaker 2: people in the face and he was getting death threats,
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  Speaker 2: death threats, and you know he was he was playing
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  Speaker 2: like a Matthew Kachuck style playoff game and it was good.
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  Speaker 2: But that's not Logan Kooley's style, and that's not Utah's.
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  Speaker 4: Style in general.
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  Speaker 2: And the two games that Utah has won, they stuck
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  Speaker 2: to their things that have gotten them to the playoffs
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  Speaker 2: in the first place. It's especially their speed, the way
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  Speaker 2: they can move the puk. Obviously Dylan Gunther doing what
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  Speaker 2: he can do with that shot that Torts didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: All those all those things.
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  Speaker 2: That made Utah successful in the first place. I think
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  Speaker 2: they've they've gotten back to that, whereas in the in
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  Speaker 2: Game one, it was all physical and it was all
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  Speaker 2: getting into the into the corner battles and the scrums,
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  Speaker 2: and Utah is.
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  Speaker 4: Just not a big team.
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  Speaker 2: They're not a physically matured team in terms of muscle
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  Speaker 2: and that kind of thing.
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  Speaker 4: Like a lot of the guys are young and small.
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  Speaker 2: And so they aren't going to win the Samley Cup
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  Speaker 2: if they have to play, you know, up to twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight games or whatever it is that it takes to
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  Speaker 2: win the Stanley Cup. And so they have to stick
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  Speaker 2: to what got them there in the first place. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what they've done these last couple of
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  Speaker 2: games that they've won.
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  Speaker 1: That speed advantage that they have, especially when you get guys,
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  Speaker 1: you know, skating anywhere eighty to one hundred and ninety
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  Speaker 1: feet with it and it doesn't happen a ton, but
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  Speaker 1: when we see it, we usually see it from guys
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  Speaker 1: like Connor McDavid, and you see it from these megastars
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  Speaker 1: in the league that have the ability to navigate through
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  Speaker 1: traffic while they're going full tilt, and it seems like
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  Speaker 1: there's a couple of Utah Mammoth players that are capable
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  Speaker 1: of this. Is that something that you can continue even
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  Speaker 1: in Game four? Is that something they can continue for
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  Speaker 1: the rest of this series, however long it goes. Is
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  Speaker 1: it something that you can carry through the whole Western
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  Speaker 1: Conference playoffs? Can can this man a team lean on
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  Speaker 1: its speed and maybe, for lack of a better term,
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  Speaker 1: finesse instead of the physicality that seems to dominate playoff hockey.
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  Speaker 2: You definitely need a lot of bold and Utah has
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  Speaker 2: some bottom six guys that are capable of playing that game.
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  Speaker 2: We saw how effective Leo O'Brien has made his minutes
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  Speaker 2: even though he's only playing seven minutes a game. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: you know, you notice him every one of those seven
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  Speaker 2: minutes that he plays, and I think that, like, they
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  Speaker 2: have guys that will play that role. But you can't
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  Speaker 2: necessarily have Logan Cooley, you know, bomping somebody in the
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  Speaker 2: phase every other shift.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's it's good for the manus that he
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  Speaker 4: can step up and.
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  Speaker 2: Play that way when necessary, But if he's playing the
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  Speaker 2: entire playoffs like that, he's going to get worn down.
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  Speaker 2: And he's already beaten up from the regular season, he
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  Speaker 2: had that teamgree that took him out for twenty nine games.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was in the In the regular season,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's already banged up. He's already not the
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  Speaker 2: biggest guy in the world and not maybe not the
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  Speaker 2: strongest guy in the world.
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  Speaker 4: Forgive me, Logan, if.
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  Speaker 2: You're listening to this, which I know you're not, but
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  Speaker 2: you know so, I think that you know you do.
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  Speaker 2: You always need a little bit of that in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: But like I think back to I watched the Vancouver
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  Speaker 2: Canuts a lot as a kid, and they had some
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  Speaker 2: really deep playoff runs. They lost in Game seven in
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  Speaker 2: the semi Cup final in twenty eleven, and their top
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  Speaker 2: offensive players were Hendrick and Daniel Sedin, a pair of
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  Speaker 2: Swedish twins who played a Swedish style of hockey. Like
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  Speaker 2: they just they were excellent passers and they would not
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  Speaker 2: get in any strums, you know, in front of the net,
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  Speaker 2: not them, like, didn't play in the corners, didn't do
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  Speaker 2: any of that stuff that you think of as playoff hockey.
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  Speaker 2: But they had some playoff success and that was just
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  Speaker 2: their style of play. And I think that's kind of
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  Speaker 2: how uties to the They're a lot faster than that
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  Speaker 2: that team was that I was talking about, but they
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  Speaker 2: had that same finest type of style.
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  Speaker 4: And if they can stick to those.
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  Speaker 2: Things that got them there and the things that have
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  Speaker 2: made them successful, that's how they gonna win the Seven Cup.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe not this year, it could happen this year, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, eventually, once they're in that top contention window.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's that's what it's going to take, is
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  Speaker 4: sticking to.
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  Speaker 2: What they do well rather than trying to change their
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  Speaker 2: games when they get to the playoff.
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  Speaker 1: Broken Houston is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
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  Speaker 1: shell Talk and Utah Mammoth as they get ready for
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  Speaker 1: Game four tonight against the Las Vegas Golden Knights. The uh,
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  Speaker 1: the role that JJ Paterca is playing. Are they getting
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  Speaker 1: as much out of him as they thought they would
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  Speaker 1: when they made the trade?
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  Speaker 2: You know, he's he's been a bit of a one
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  Speaker 2: eighty type of player this year. So last year, and
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  Speaker 2: I wrote about this a little bit at the end
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  Speaker 2: of the season. Last year, JJ was a seventy plus
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  Speaker 2: point player, almost a point per game, and and he
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  Speaker 2: was a sphebi and he could shoot the pocket like
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  Speaker 2: nobody else. You know that that was the solid game
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  Speaker 2: that he played. This year, he didn't have quite the
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  Speaker 2: same offensive season. I think he ended up somewhere around
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  Speaker 2: sixty points. Maybe I don't have the numbers in front
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  Speaker 2: of me, but right around there. Still a good productive season,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe not exactly what you expect out of a
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  Speaker 2: top six forward I sat.
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  Speaker 3: In the regular season.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so yeah, even fewer than I thought. But you
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  Speaker 2: know it's it's it's okay, but it's not necessarily top
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  Speaker 2: six production. But what he has done is last year
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  Speaker 2: he was giving up more than a goal per game
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  Speaker 2: while he is on the nest, and this year he
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  Speaker 2: cut that in half. So he's he's much more responsible
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  Speaker 2: defensively now and that makes him a more valuable player
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  Speaker 2: all around. Now, does that mean that you want your
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  Speaker 2: top six guys to only be scoring fifty points a year?
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  Speaker 2: You know you want more out of them, not for sure,
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  Speaker 2: and he's going to have to.
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  Speaker 4: Find that balance.
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  Speaker 2: But he is a more complete layer than he was
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  Speaker 2: last year, and that's worth something for sure. And if
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  Speaker 2: he can now add the offensive component back into his game,
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  Speaker 2: then that's where you're going to see Utah.
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  Speaker 4: Wins this grade.
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  Speaker 2: And and right now, I think, you know, Josh Jillen
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  Speaker 2: had an excellent season in Buffalo. JJ has had a
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  Speaker 2: decent season here. You know, I don't see a winner
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  Speaker 2: quite yet. It's it's pretty even as as of right now.
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  Speaker 2: But if if JJ can get back to kind of
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  Speaker 2: that seven years points, then not when Utah is really
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  Speaker 2: gonna run away with the same.
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  Speaker 1: Is Clayton Keller's I mean, he's the captain. Is he
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  Speaker 1: a facilitator now more than a goal scorer for this
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  Speaker 1: this Utah man a team, because that's that's what the
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  Speaker 1: numbers have done, especially lately.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, if you if you watch him, especially.
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  Speaker 2: On the power play, he's very good at distributing the pop.
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  Speaker 2: He's an excellent playmaker.
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  Speaker 4: He you know, he can score goals.
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  Speaker 2: And when he put him in a position where you know,
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  Speaker 2: you need him to wire a one time we're on
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  Speaker 2: the power play something like that, he is more than
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  Speaker 2: capable of doing it. But you know, I think his
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  Speaker 2: primary asset is his playmaking. And you kind of saw
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  Speaker 2: that in Game three, the first game out in the
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  Speaker 2: Delta Center, and you finally saw him starting to you know,
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  Speaker 2: make an impact offensively in the playoffs, and now that
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  Speaker 2: he kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of has that taste of what it takes.
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  Speaker 2: We'll see if you can continue that and you know,
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  Speaker 2: really make an impact for the team.
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  Speaker 1: Every time that you've joined us throughout the season. I
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  Speaker 1: think we talked special teams at some point, and it's
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  Speaker 1: gotten kind of up and down. And in this last game,
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  Speaker 1: the penalty kill was awesome. In Game two, the penalty
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  Speaker 1: kill in timely situations down the stretch came up big.
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  Speaker 1: What what has happened with that particular unit that's allowing
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  Speaker 1: them to be so successful and so effective.
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it has to do with
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  Speaker 2: just how many guys they have available right now. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Alexander Kurbert missed more than off the season with his
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  Speaker 2: poor injury, and he missed a large portion of them,
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  Speaker 2: and then he came back for a couple of weeks
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  Speaker 2: and then he went out again and he's one of
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  Speaker 2: their key penalty killers. And so now that he's really
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  Speaker 2: fully back into his rhythm, I think that really helps.
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  Speaker 4: And you saw that in Game three at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the game.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember if it was a penalty kill or
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  Speaker 2: just a six on five or something like that. Right
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the game, there Vegas was certain
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  Speaker 2: to make plays. They were trying to make a push
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  Speaker 2: to tie it up, and an Alexander Kurfoot saw an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity to intercept the pass and he dove on his
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  Speaker 2: stomach to be able to poke that puck away and
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  Speaker 2: throw that play from happening. And that was the game
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  Speaker 2: savor of a play like that could have very easily
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  Speaker 2: ended up in the back of Utah's net. And then
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  Speaker 2: you know there are only one goal down at that point,
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  Speaker 2: and so things like that I think really helped, just
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  Speaker 2: you know, having your top guys available. But then also
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  Speaker 2: Utah is in a unique situation where they have a
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  Speaker 2: lot of guys that kill penalties. Like you look up
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  Speaker 2: and down the lineup. He's got Kevin Senlam, that's his
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  Speaker 2: main job is say killed enleas Alexandrier, but he's right
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  Speaker 2: there as well. And then Nick Schmaltz and Laws and
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  Speaker 2: Krouse like they are both very capable of playing a
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  Speaker 2: top penalty penalty kill unit as well. And then all
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  Speaker 2: of the defense as well, they all chip in on
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  Speaker 2: the on the pk here and there, and and that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of what you have to have to be able.
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  Speaker 4: To to stay successful in.
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  Speaker 2: The NHL, and it's it's a depth, I guess, is
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  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. They're a deep PK team.
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  Speaker 2: They I think it was the month of November maybe
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  Speaker 2: they were almost perfect on the penalty till and then
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  Speaker 2: they they've receded since then. But if they can continue
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  Speaker 2: that in the playoffs and get back to how they
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  Speaker 2: were earlier in the season, you know, that's a that's
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  Speaker 2: a really good skill to be able to have.
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  Speaker 1: Has anyone been more valuable in this playoff series than
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  Speaker 1: the guy you just mentioned then lost in Krause, I don't.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that we give him the credit he deserves,
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  Speaker 1: especially in these last couple of games, he's been amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've lost a couple of games, for sure. He
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  Speaker 2: had a really up game one, as did his entire line.
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  Speaker 2: The line as a total was a minus eight in
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  Speaker 2: their even strength goal differential, which is awful, Like that's
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  Speaker 2: like absolutely terrible. But since then he really picked it up.
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  Speaker 2: And you know he he recognizes that too. It Boston
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  Speaker 2: is a very accountable person. He will take the accountability
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  Speaker 2: for whatever is going wrong if it's if it's on him,
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  Speaker 2: and and I think you know he he recognized that
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  Speaker 2: Game one was not good enough on his part and
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  Speaker 2: on the part of his line mates, and they've.
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  Speaker 4: You know, they stepped it up. In game two.
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  Speaker 2: They were on the ice for one goal, like one
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  Speaker 2: goal for and zero against, so you know that's that's something,
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  Speaker 2: but none of them got any points. And then game three,
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  Speaker 2: obviously he scored the two goals and his whole line
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  Speaker 2: was just firing on all cylinders. And and then you
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  Speaker 2: mentioned the defensive side of it as well, like we
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  Speaker 2: were just talking about, and that's somewhere where he expels
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  Speaker 2: as well. And he's a leader in the room, and
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  Speaker 2: he's one of the guys that will always come and
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  Speaker 2: talk to us media folks after the game that if necessary,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, he's just.
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  Speaker 4: A solid all around guy that you can you can
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  Speaker 4: rely on him in a lot of different situations.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: So what do you expect from Vegas tonight? What should
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: we expect from Vegas tonight? I saw that, you know,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of messaging from the Golden Knights. Hey,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: we just got to stay the course. We got to
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: play our game. We've got to do what we're gonna do. Nothing,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: we don't have to figure anything out, just be who
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: we are, and then they're calling up a couple of
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: rookies and they're they're tweaking the lines. And I know
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that's not completely abnormal in NHL hockey, but you don't
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: always see it as a reactionary thing in playoff hockey.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: So what should we expect from Vegas?
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would expect them to come out firing right away,
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: you know, I expect the first ten minutes of them,
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: to expect their first ten minutes to be very very
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: strong tonight, especially. I don't know if you saw John
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: John Jorderella's media availability today after morning skate, but he
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: was asked I think it was five questions and for
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: four of them he gave the exact same answer, essentially
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: just saying we'll be ready and that's that, like we'll
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: be ready tonight and so you know, we've we just
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: we started off this interview talking about how you know
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Towards is a bold guy, especially with the reporter, like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: he's not afraid to speak his mind ever, and I
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: think that's him speaking his mind. Is he's not going
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to tell us what he's going to do differently, but
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: he's going to, you know, have the preparations in place,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: to be able to give his team a fighting chance.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: And you know, he's a very experienced playoff coach. He
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: won with Stanley Cup in two thousand and four. You know,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I was I was a baby when he when he
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: won the Stanley Cup and he's been coaching every year
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: since then.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: Essentially.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: You know, that's how much experience this guy has. And
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: so you know he he knows what to do. He's
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: been through it all before, and I expect him to,
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: you know, have this team going for a game before here.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: I know we already got We already had a conversation
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: about physicality, and I know that penalties and especially potentially
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: major penalties are a lot more costly in the playoffs.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: How do you balance if you're this Utah Mammoth team
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: Like McNabb, he took his stick to Logan Cooley's actual
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: chin in that last game and it was a dirty shot,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: almost hit his neck. I'm watching, I was in a
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: fan seat. I was just being a fan in that game,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, you got to get someone out
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: on the ice to punish that kind of behavior. And again,
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I know, the dynamics a little bit different in the playoffs,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and Cola Sar continues to just be an instigator over
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: and over. How did the Utah Mammoth manage that, the tomfoolery,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: the dirty play, the potential enforcement of the unwritten rules
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: in hockey when their main focus is, of course, to
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: win and they're probably not quite as physically ready, especially
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: with McBain out to just like drop the gloves and
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: start throwing. Is this something that we're gonna see manifest
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: itself in the series.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you said the right word at the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: beginning of that when you said balance, and I think
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that's all.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: That's what it's about.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Like you cannot let yourself get pushed around every single play,
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: and so you have to stand up for yourself in
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: some situations. But you also got to picture battles. You
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: can't be getting in there every single game, especially when
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you know, like we mentioned, Utah is a very young
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and fairly small team. But you know, if you if
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: you pick your battles and you've got your role players,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: your guys that their job is to provide physicality, if
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: you've got them doing what they're supposed to do, then
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: you're in a better situation. Like I mentioned, Leam O'Brien
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: only is playing a few minutes a game, but he's
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: he's really making himself known in those few minutes a
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: game that he's playing. And same thing with Brandon tannev.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, how many times have we seen Brandon tanne
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: full speed check the guy into into the boards, you know,
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: at the end or at the end of the ice
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. You know, these are these are
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: guys that you don't they're not the sexiest names, but
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: they do make a big impact. And I think that's
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: where Guzel has to give it back to guys like
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Braden mcgabb and Keevan Bolatar and and things. And you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: don't don't let Logan Cooley worry about fighting his own battles.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: You know, That's what Leam O'Brien's there for, right and
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and that's the that's the style of player that they'll
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: guys expect to play, That's what they like to play.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: He talked to Leam O'Brien. He will always tell you
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: he knows his role and he knows he's never going
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to be a twenty goal scorer in the NHL, and
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: that's just how it is.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: We got an announcement before Game three that the winner
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: classic is actually not going to be in twenty twenty
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: seven as initially planned. It's going to be the last
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: day of twenty twenty six New Year's Eve Winter Classic.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: What do you make of the announcement?
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: So excited that's I mean, I've I remember watching I
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: think it was the two thousand and eight Winter Classic
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: when it's bring Them Buffull played each other and that's
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: still to this day one of the most iconic ones
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and ever since then, you just you hope that you
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: know your favorite team is involved in your Winter Classics,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: so that you know, maybe you can go, or at
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: least you can be involved watching on TV and that
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. And there's just all the festivities that
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: surround it. The teams almost always get one off jerseys
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: that they that they only work for that game, and
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: you know all the like the goalies will get matching
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: equipment to match those jerseys usually, and and there's like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: the family skate, and there's usually a media skate, and
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: there's all like Ryan Stith said that they were going
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to do a big concert at the Delta Center the
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: night before, and you know, they just make a huge
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: spectacle about it.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: It's almost like an all star game.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And then you get to the game and it's actually
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: super meaningful, unlike an All Star game where you know
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: the guys are school around. You know, this is a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: regular season game between two division rivals, and so they
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they want to win. And then there's there's the aspects
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: that it is Colorado that they're playing, and Colorado is
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: only an eight hour drive from here, maybe seven hours
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: something like that to Denver, So you're gonna have a
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: lot of bands making the drive, making the play out,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and it's just gonna be the coolest thing.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm so excited.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I haven't gotten the chance to be out of Winter
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Classic yet and so I'm super excited to attend to
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: this one in December.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be a heck of a show.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Before I let you go, Stars Wild tied to to
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: the oilers, who we were all so worried as Utah
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was figuring out their wild card position. Every Well, we can't.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: You don't want to play the oilers. You don't want
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: to play the oilers. You don't want to play the oilers.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: They're on the brink of elimination. What has happened with
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Connor McDavid's crew.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that I have the exact answer
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to that because I haven't paid most enough attention to
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that series.
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: I haven't watched every.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Single game of I've watched bits and pieces. But there
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was something to do with McDavid having an injury early
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: in the season or early in those series rather.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: Than drive sidle game into it that it seems like he.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Was playing hurt as well, and the fact that McDavid
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: didn't score his first point of the series until Game three,
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Like how many times has he been held off the
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: score sheet two games in a row?
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: Ever?
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Right, Like he's he's a guy that scores every game.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: That's how That's how he is, and so you know,
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: it's it probably starts from the top and works and
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: way down.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: But then at the same time, ed Menton's.
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Goaltending has always been a little bit shoddy at best.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: That's probably why they lost in the Stanley Cup final
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: two years in a row now, and and they just
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: kind of always had a few problems that they just
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: need to work through. And so you know, I, like
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I said, I haven't paid post enough attention to the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: series to really be able to diagnose anything but from
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: a surface level, over the things that pop into mind for.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: Sure, Colorado sweeps La and Carolina sweeps Ottawa. Are those
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: two teams right now playing like you thought they would
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: in these Stanley Cup playoffs?
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: I picked Carolina to make the Stanley Cup finals. Yere.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: I don't remember if I had them winning the Cup.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: It was I you know, I make my picks and
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: them kind of forget about them. But that's how confident
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I am in Carolina, especially this year. Now they they
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: don't have to go through the Florida Panthers. That was
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: that was what kept getting them year after year, and
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: so now that they don't have that in the way,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: I fully expect them to really really make a good
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: push for the Stanley Cup final for the first time
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: since two thousand and six. And then on the Colorado side,
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: like they won the Cup in twenty twenty two, and
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: they haven't really gotten worse since then. Like the only
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: big trade that they've made since well, the only like
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: monumental trades they've made since then is the Miko Razmund
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: one and they got Martine Natis back for that, and
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: you know he's a similar caliber player. And yeah, I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: think Colorado has said this year they've had obviously they
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: have a ton of superstars. They had a ton of
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: players at the Olympics and and just the experience that
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: comes from that is super helpful. And you could see
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: just the way that they tour through that first round
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: series and now they're going to be all rested up
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: for whoever comes out of that Minnesota Dallas series, and
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: whoever does come out of that series is gonna be
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: a super banned up in Colorado is just gonna be
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: sitting there waiting for them, you know, fully yield and that.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Kind of thing.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: And you know, I fully expect Colorado to do something
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: great this year for sure.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Brogan. I appreciate your time. We'll see you at the
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: game tonight. Man enjoy.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's sounds good. Thanks for having me on.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's Broken Houston. You tell Mammoth Insider over at the
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: Dead's News. The puck drops at seven point thirty at
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the Delta Center tonight