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Tigers Skid Into All-Star Break · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger's Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the fulk a Tiger's podcast. I'm here Sickley with me
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  Speaker 1: as always as a man who would like a delay
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  Speaker 1: in the use of weather delay.
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  Speaker 2: He is Cody staved Eggan. How you doing.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen some interesting weather delays this year. Karen, we're
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  Speaker 3: recording this Sunday night. Just watch the tigers first two
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  Speaker 3: picks of the MLB draft. Let's dive right into those
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  Speaker 3: and we'll catch up one. You know what happens the
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  Speaker 3: rest of the night on our next episode. But pick
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  Speaker 3: number one for the Tigers, number twenty four overall. They
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  Speaker 3: take prep shortstop Jordan Yost Sickles High School in Florida. Karen,
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  Speaker 3: had you ever heard of this guy before tonight? I
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  Speaker 3: hadn't I know?
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  Speaker 1: No, No, I had not, And again with the caveat
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  Speaker 1: being that I'm not a draft nick so like, but
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  Speaker 1: but I did do a base little research we talked
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  Speaker 1: about in the last podcast, and I was looking for
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  Speaker 1: the profiles I thought made sense for the Tigers. One
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  Speaker 1: of them was on Gamble taken right before so I
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  Speaker 1: you know, so that didn't happen. And then obviously Cunningham,
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  Speaker 1: but that always kind of felt like a little a
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  Speaker 1: little on the unrealistic side. And then Jordan Yost from Florida,
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  Speaker 1: Florida Commit. Like I said, didn't do a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of homework on this guy, But then one thing came
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  Speaker 1: on the TV graphic coding, and I think you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm about to say.
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  Speaker 2: He struck out ten.
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  Speaker 1: Times in two hundred and ninety at bats during his
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  Speaker 1: high school career. That to me screams Scott Harrison Company
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  Speaker 1: dominate the strike zone to a t. So that so
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  Speaker 1: that when when I saw that, that was the thing
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  Speaker 1: that made me go, Okay, this this makes some sense.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty fourth overall pick. We have the graphic on here.
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  Speaker 1: I hope you guys are watching on YouTube. He is
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  Speaker 1: Keith Law's seventy second prospect overall, and then on MLB
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  Speaker 1: dot Com he was the fiftieth prospect. Again, that was
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  Speaker 1: with the twenty fourth pick. So it seems to me
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  Speaker 1: that Scott Harrison Company this will definitely be a parent
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  Speaker 1: with the next guy we talk about. They have a type,
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  Speaker 1: they're sticking with it. They believe in a mold of
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  Speaker 1: an athlete that they want to bring into the organization
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  Speaker 1: and yost fits that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I said, I'm be real, I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: anything about this guy, but he checks boxes that we
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  Speaker 3: talked about up the middle, athlete, left handed hitter, as
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  Speaker 3: you pointed out, extreme contact hitting shortstop with rate last
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  Speaker 3: year of seven percent in a small sample. He was
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  Speaker 3: a late rising guy. He's a little bit young for
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  Speaker 3: his high school class. So some untapped upside listed one
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  Speaker 3: one Keith Laws report at six foot one seventy. I
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  Speaker 3: think he's already grown taller than that. If you just
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  Speaker 3: would have told me the Tigers picked a guy with
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  Speaker 3: this profile, I would have said, yep, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: They have a type. They also kind of like to
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  Speaker 3: be different, right, so we're higher on this guy than
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  Speaker 3: everyone else. We know better than you. Sometimes it gets annoying,
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  Speaker 3: but that'll purchase kind of working for the Tigers these days.
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  Speaker 3: And I don't know just the profile I'm pretty interested in.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if this kid's going to be any good,
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  Speaker 3: but he seems to have a hitting profile of a
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  Speaker 3: Kevin McGonagall with the athleticism of a Bryce Rayner. Like
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if he's going to be as good
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  Speaker 3: of a prospect as either of those guys, because that's
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  Speaker 3: a very high bar. But there's some things to like
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  Speaker 3: just looking at him from the outside. The buzzword for
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers in this year's draft is helium guys who
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  Speaker 3: were rising up late in the process that they think
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  Speaker 3: they were on maybe they were one before others not
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  Speaker 3: even quite this extreme. But once upon a time that
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  Speaker 3: guy was Jackson Job and that was a different front office,
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  Speaker 3: different people running that draft. You could still argue maybe
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  Speaker 3: the Tigers should taken Marcel Meyer, but Job has turned
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  Speaker 3: out to be a pretty good guy to have in
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  Speaker 3: your system, So yeah, it doesn't the MLB Draft. We'll
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  Speaker 3: see what happens. We got a long way before we'll see,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, who Jordan Yost becomes. But it's a
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  Speaker 3: pretty intriguing profile. I'm kind of ready to learn more
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  Speaker 3: about him, watch him play a little bit, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well I want to. I want it.
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  Speaker 1: So when he does his like, you know, introduction into
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  Speaker 1: Kamerica Park, I'll be very curious to see what you're
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, hear from you, what your I
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  Speaker 1: see or whatever, because we you know, Clark Pacheco Green
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  Speaker 1: like over the years, like we've had some guys that've
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  Speaker 1: been like, all right, I could like this physical profile,
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know if it's gonna work out, but
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  Speaker 1: this physical profile like makes a lot of sense, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And and my initial thoughts on Yost are I don't
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  Speaker 1: see any kind of like wow traits, And sometimes that
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  Speaker 1: seems like a criticism. I actually don't really mean it
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  Speaker 1: as a criticism. From some very quick research, it seems
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  Speaker 1: like a very well rounded prospect without with out like
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  Speaker 1: some pop wow type trait. And he's a contact hitter.
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  Speaker 1: The discipline thing we already talked about. That feels like
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  Speaker 1: a safe floor to build a prospect. It feels like
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  Speaker 1: and they talk about baseball like you also on a
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  Speaker 1: lot of his kind of reports, that to me feels like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we have this right here that is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit harder to teach feel, you know, all those
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  Speaker 1: kind of intangible and then we can get him into
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  Speaker 1: a professional system and build up his body a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna have to get stronger, you know. The weight
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  Speaker 1: that's listed six foot one seventy, Like that's obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: not gonna play in the major leagues more than likely.
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  Speaker 3: So like he's the eighteen, he's gonna be fine physically.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but like that's but but like that's all
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  Speaker 1: part of it is. What I'm saying too, is that
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  Speaker 1: like in terms of like the late bloomer thing, in
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  Speaker 1: terms of like their belief and what they can do,
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  Speaker 1: is that like this guy is not tapped out physically,
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  Speaker 1: even if you just look at you know, some of
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  Speaker 1: the YouTube highlights. And again it's all YouTube. I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to claim to be an expert, but you can
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  Speaker 1: see how it's all. It's mostly contact and and and
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  Speaker 1: plate coverage and not necessarily power. So I'll be interested
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  Speaker 1: to see if they tweek you know what tweaks. I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure they're gonna do something they do with his swing,
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  Speaker 1: and then where his position is long term, I'll be
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  Speaker 1: curious about. Uh, but he But you're also picking for
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  Speaker 1: the first time since we've been doing you know, live
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  Speaker 1: draft reactions code. You're picking in the back end of
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  Speaker 1: the first round. You know, sometimes like sometimes you get
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  Speaker 1: guys that like fall for a reason or or in
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  Speaker 1: this case ranked where they are for a reason. I'm
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  Speaker 1: saying quotes here ranked for a reason is obviously they
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  Speaker 1: don't care about what Keith Law's rankings are.
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  Speaker 2: No offense Keith Law.
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  Speaker 1: But like that to me is like, all right, here's
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  Speaker 1: here's a baseline of what we can do. We still
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  Speaker 1: believe there's upside because of his age, because of his
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  Speaker 1: late bloomer stuff. So we have a base and we
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  Speaker 1: have upside. This feels like something that we can work
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  Speaker 1: with and plus the you know, the athletic position positioning
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  Speaker 1: with him, this feels like something we can do at
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  Speaker 1: twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: And now.
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  Speaker 1: To move on to the next pick, we are recording
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  Speaker 1: this within I don't know, fifteen minutes of the competitive
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  Speaker 1: Balance pick, that the Tigers had number thirty four overall,
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  Speaker 1: and that this one was a little bit more of
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  Speaker 1: a gott to scroll to see, you know, what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with him.
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  Speaker 3: I scrolled for the first one. I just kept scrolling.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Olvido, I hope I'm saying that correctly. Catcher. You
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  Speaker 2: want to take a guest on what he bats, Cody.
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  Speaker 3: I think he's a left handed hitter, left handed hitter.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe you got that one correct. I thought
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna stump you with that one.
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  Speaker 3: Tigers care about having the platoon advantage, and this.
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  Speaker 2: Is the guy he's from.
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  Speaker 1: I believe that's I'm not an expert in New York geography,
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  Speaker 1: but I believe that's like, I believe that's Long Island area.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm wrong, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 2: Again. Another fast riser.
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  Speaker 1: This one actually reminded like I watched some highlights again
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  Speaker 1: this highlights, but it I did see more like from
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  Speaker 1: the bat in his highlights. But I will say this
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  Speaker 1: as someone who's covered high school baseball in New York,
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  Speaker 1: I could tell it was high school baseball in New
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  Speaker 1: York based on those field quality.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry guys, but but anyway.
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  Speaker 3: How part in New York is a hamlet on Long
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  Speaker 3: Island by the way, all right, there you go.
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  Speaker 1: It seems this actually kind of gave me and again
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  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to compare them, but like this one
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  Speaker 1: gave me more McGonagall esque. Maybe it was the sweet
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  Speaker 1: lefty swing and it just showed like a little bit
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  Speaker 1: more pop. This one like gave me McGonagall like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 1: well that's you know.
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  Speaker 2: I see that. I see that. That's all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I see that.
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  Speaker 1: Not comparing the two, you know, but like this one
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  Speaker 1: was all out of left field. In case you're curious,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and nineteenth prospect on MLB dot com, So.
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  Speaker 3: He was not in Keith Law's top one hundred. Kylie
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  Speaker 3: McDaniel of ESPN was a little higher on him. I
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  Speaker 3: think Adam as high as fifty at one point.
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  Speaker 1: And you could tell that like the way the guys
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  Speaker 1: on ESPN because that's the broadcast I was watching and
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the Tigers picks. They were basically like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, they have confidence in what they're doing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and and they're not criticize the pick. And I'm not
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  Speaker 1: even here to criticize the pick. This is the biggest
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  Speaker 1: day in these young guys' lives.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not here.
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  Speaker 1: To to put them down any way.
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  Speaker 2: But like it seems to me that this is the.
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  Speaker 1: Amen about You're Scott Harris, Amen, I know what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 2: This is the guy that we that we.
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  Speaker 1: Want to breathe life into this organization this year. So
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  Speaker 1: are these guys in this case? So this is it's
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  Speaker 1: kind of a Sky Harris flex. It's gonna either gonna
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  Speaker 1: be humorous are huge flex We'll find out in four years.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let's keep in mind who's running this draft. In
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  Speaker 3: addition Scott Harris, Rob Metz, literally the assistant GM who's
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  Speaker 3: a in charge of scouting, came from the Raised system,
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  Speaker 3: had a great draft track record there. Mark Connor, scouting director,
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  Speaker 3: came from the Padres system. Drafted a lot of really
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  Speaker 3: good players over there. In just a couple of years
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  Speaker 3: in Detroit, they've drafted a lot of good players. These
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  Speaker 3: guys seem to know what they're doing. They're not afraid
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  Speaker 3: to be a little bit out of the box. Left
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  Speaker 3: handed hitter, catcher up the middle, athlete, can he stick
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  Speaker 3: at ketcher. I don't know if anyone's actually seen this
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  Speaker 3: guy enough to know. It doesn't sound like the early
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  Speaker 3: reviews are great. Let's keep in mind, we're gonna have
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  Speaker 3: the abs eventually. This whole receiving thing one of these
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  Speaker 3: days is gonna start mattering a lot less. It does
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  Speaker 3: seem like the Tigers are stockpiling. You know, you have Brasenio,
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  Speaker 3: who probably won't be a catcher, but maybe you have
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  Speaker 3: Loronzo who has had to improve a lot, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in his catching abilities. It seems like they're not afraid
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  Speaker 3: to get some of these catchers who can mash a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, and we'll see what the play is. You
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  Speaker 3: can move them to first maybe, you know, Olvito maybe
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  Speaker 3: could have more of an outfield profile. Uh, seems to
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  Speaker 3: be a little more you know, of a swift mover
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  Speaker 3: in that way. Or maybe you're just opening one of
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  Speaker 3: these guys hits, or maybe you think, oh, we were
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  Speaker 3: ahead of the game. All you guys who were drafting
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  Speaker 3: catchers who can receive, we're dumb. We got a guy
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  Speaker 3: who can mash. You want them, you know, like there
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  Speaker 3: might be a forward thinking nature in that regard. So
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  Speaker 3: that's about all I can say without having ever watched
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  Speaker 3: this guy play, with having watched him take about four
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  Speaker 3: swings on YouTube, but interesting draft choices if nothing else,
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  Speaker 3: and that is gonna make these guys kind of fun.
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  Speaker 2: To follow, I think, yeah, absolutely I agree.
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  Speaker 1: And and you know the draft, this was a fun draft.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that it was a fun draft with
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  Speaker 1: a couple of twists and turns there, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: the ESPN basically like threw the papers up.
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  Speaker 3: He picks there like we're done.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't matter, doesn't matter what we said beforehand,
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  Speaker 1: We're just going to react now. So always fund congratulations
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  Speaker 1: all the draft picks and the draft picks that will
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  Speaker 1: come after we do this podcast, because again, lifelong dream
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  Speaker 1: come true. Good for those guys and their families. All right,
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  Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break and then we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to the major league team, which we don't know.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the draft is all positive and stuff because
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  Speaker 1: anything is possible. In the present, a couple problems persist,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll take a quick break and we will be
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  Speaker 1: right back.
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  Speaker 1: All right, coming back here, Cody, The Major League aspect
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  Speaker 1: of the Tigers organization is at it's I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess you could say it's kind of silly to say,
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  Speaker 1: but it's like true the lowest point of the season
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  Speaker 1: because they have a four game losing streak for the
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  Speaker 1: first time all season, and uh, and just got swept
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  Speaker 1: by Seattle and looked and looked a little bit like
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  Speaker 1: the punch counter punches were like weaker, which is not
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  Speaker 1: something that we're like used to seeing from this style
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  Speaker 1: of Tigers organization. And so we're gonna try to balance
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  Speaker 1: like real concerns and then you know, say, away from
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  Speaker 1: the over reactions, I wanted to start out this by saying,
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  Speaker 1: like I thought, Dan Petrie said it best on the
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  Speaker 1: radio on Sunday, and he was really just talking about
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  Speaker 1: the five solo home runs, uh that that Seattle had
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  Speaker 1: to begin their scoring on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: But it just kind of felt like.
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  Speaker 1: Every single time this series that the Tigers had a
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  Speaker 1: chance to either you know, get some momentum or cut
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  Speaker 1: come back a little bit like there, Seattle always had
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  Speaker 1: an answer and and and Petreon paraphrase and he said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it just kind of sucks the wind out
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  Speaker 1: of you a little bit. I feel like there were
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like the you know, the wind gets
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  Speaker 1: taken out from you moments for the Tigers this weekend
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  Speaker 1: where it's like you think you're building something all right,
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  Speaker 1: the comeback trains happening, the gritty stuff is going, and
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  Speaker 1: then it's like little things that added up to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I said, like a sweep up from Seattle and
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  Speaker 1: overall four game skit. So that's kind of how I
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  Speaker 1: would describe the weekend.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think, Uh, No, Friday and Saturday were miserable,
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  Speaker 3: two of the worst games that Tigers have played all year,
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  Speaker 3: and the wind was sucked out of those games pretty early.
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  Speaker 3: I think, you know, I guess they were able to
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  Speaker 3: sort of stick around, but those were really bad days
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  Speaker 3: and even your all stars and Trek Skugel and Casey
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  Speaker 3: Miz were off a little bit, and then the bullpen
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  Speaker 3: kind of finally had its big collapse. It's just been bad,
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  Speaker 3: and we talked about the pen a lot. I think
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  Speaker 3: fans are well aware and fans, you know, been looking
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  Speaker 3: forward to the trade deadline for a long time. But
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  Speaker 3: let's go back to June first. This is before Sunday's
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  Speaker 3: very bad day. Tigers had a five point zero three bullpen,
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  Speaker 3: the ra since June first, the twenty sixth in baseball.
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  Speaker 3: It was bad and they were kind of surviving with it,
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  Speaker 3: you know, and it felt like it was all foreshadowing
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  Speaker 3: kind of what we saw in the last four games,
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  Speaker 3: which is just kind of a meltdown. Your gym and
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  Speaker 3: Chase Lee finally lost as effectiveness. Tommy Cainley, who's you've
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  Speaker 3: ridden so hard, finally just had a really bad weekend. Well,
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  Speaker 3: Vest gave up a run. Tyler Holton, who looked to
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  Speaker 3: be recapturing his for him, he gave up a run,
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  Speaker 3: and now you're like, whoof, Yeah, it's more clear than
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  Speaker 3: ever that this bullpen is not in a good spot,
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  Speaker 3: and then I think it it sends you into the
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  Speaker 3: Ul Star Break with kind of a weird vibe. Like
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  Speaker 3: I wrote about this for Monday, just like, how do
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  Speaker 3: we get the perspective right here? Because it was a
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: rough series and you still have the best record in
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: baseball and you have an eleven and a half game
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: division lead, and we're talking about everything through the lens
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: of like the Tigers win the World Series, so there
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: are a lot of reasons to still feel good, but
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: clearly this is a rough patch. I think the Tiger's
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: kind of need the All Star break. I had said
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: this for a while. They just I think I could
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: feel the guys just being kind of fatigued, which makes
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: total sense. It's a long season. The bullpen had been
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: taxed heavily at it underperformed, had some short starts from
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: some of your horses. Jack Flaherty was actually pretty good
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: on Sunday. So I don't know, here we are what
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: what what do you got off that?
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the perspective thing that is the hardest part of this,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: And like like I was telling you before we press record,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: is that, like I I see all the passion from
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: fans and media about the about the bullpen and it's
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: and its issues, and and then I understand like there's
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: only so many ways to improve. So you know, you said,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know, you go to the trade deadline. I just
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything original about that other than I
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: just think it might not be some like uh, flip
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: the switch moment. It's probably gonna be something that that
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: whatever move it is or promotion it is, it's probably
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: going to be something that you're not like feeling gung
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: up about. And at that time, because I I think
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: for the first time obviously because you know, they haven't
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: been in this position, you know, in years, the Tigers
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: are going to see the back end of like the
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: trade deadline process. And what I mean by that is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that every team under the sun is going to want
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: pitching if they're in contention. You also have expanded playoffs,
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: which the Tigers have benefited in the past.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: That means that.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: You are going to have more competition and it's going
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to be a seller's market if you have started pitching
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: or you know, especially relief help. So I would say
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: prepare to be disappointed in whatever in whatever move it is,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and and be prepared to have to think about it
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: being more of an internal like or somebody already in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the organization aid because you know, to tore Pare for
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: his his Rick Patino. While Hernandez its not walking through
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: that door, Jose Balverde s not walking through that door.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Todd Jones, I think actually probably technically like walks through
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: the door, but like but like he but in terms
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of helping your team on the field, is not walking
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: through that door.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Jones, I don't know.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, well, you know that he was all the time
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: saves Later, I'm gonna I'm gonna give him some respect there.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: But the thing is, this is a problem that every
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: team in baseball is facing. So you so like that's
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: important to note when you were looking at like, well,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: why can't they go get this guy?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe the asking price was Max Clark.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: I think the most important thing you said there is
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Willy Hernandez is not walking through this door. I think
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: that's important to note. Scott Harris's a lot of things.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: He's not dumb. He is not oblivious. The Tigers, No,
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: they need to bolster their bullpen. They are well aware.
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: I do not think they are going to be inactive
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: at the deadline. I think they're gonna go get a dude,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: maybe two dudes, to improve to get rid of, you know,
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: to the bullpen has the worst wiff rate of any
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: bullpen in baseball right now. They're going to attempt to
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: improve that. I think they're gonna go get a guy
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: who's swinging miss stuff now, whether it's the big name
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: or whether they'll get cute, and there'll be some guy
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: we have barely heard of, Like I'm not sure it
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: matters like that. That's where I get the Willy Hernandez thing.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You were going to be acquiring a rental reliever for
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: two months. By the very nature that is a volatile thing.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: You could go get a roll As Chapman and he
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: might be pretty good, but he might give up a
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: couple of Grand Slam and have a four yar. Where
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: you go get David Bednar and you know, maybe he's nails.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Or you could get some guy from the Nationals that
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: we aren't even thinking of right now and he might
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: be pretty good for you. Like, I don't think there
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: should be this fixation one. Oh, they have to get
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: this reliever. There is not any savior out there. You're
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: going to get a hard throwing, volatile pitcher who will
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: probably be a little bit up and down. And that's
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: why I keep coming back to, like, they have to
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: get some external additions. I think they also know Carlos
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Hernandez is not the answer. But you're gonna have to
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: pair whatever you bring in with internal improvements too. Is
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Chase Lee cooked? Is Brandt Herd or cooked? Can you
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: fix Bo Briski who's now on the injured list in Toledo?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Is Troy Melton or someone else from the miners.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Gonna come up and help you? Dylan Smith?
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Dylan Smith, is Alex Lang gonna be a guy that's
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: going to be a part of this.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right. Those are like.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Did you did you watch the final two months of
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the regular season last year? Yes? I think the Tigers
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: need to recapture hope they can recapture some of that
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: magic to stabilize this pitching staff. More than anything they
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: do with the trade deadline. It's going to come down to,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: can you maximize some of the dudes you already have,
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: bring in a guy or two and hope they have
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: a good couple of months that. I think that's the answer,
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: you know, And that's a hard thing to do, but
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: you also have the right guys to do it. You
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: have Chris Fetter, you have a smart organization. A lot's
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: going to change between now and the end of season.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by it not being sexy,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: is that, like, you know, there's nothing sexy about like
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: all right, well, let's see see if Dylan Smith, can
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you know, give us some like some leverage work, you
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? That doesn't that's that doesn't get
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: the headlines in the newspaper on the back page, like
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: a trading for Chapman, would you know?
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: So I'm glad you brought up Chapman.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: And again that now Chapman's probably not available because the
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Red Sox, I don't know if you know this, they
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: went ten so like so again it's all muddied right now.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: There will be some clarity that comes in the next
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: couple of weeks, but right now the whole situation is
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: very muddy.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: And and I think.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: The internal sort of like internal additions for you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: weird phrasing is kind of where you're looking. And also
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I would say that you know, take away the best
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: record in baseball part slash nine games off their division lead,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: like they were going into the All Star Break, you know,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: in first place, and and and you know the but
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: you knew that the glaring hole was the bullpen, you
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: would feel like, well, that's an area that I am
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: confident in their ability to improve, more so, honestly than
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: like offense or even you know, again not the best
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: starting pitching weekend, but like more so offense that than
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: starting pitching. So I did want to you brought up Canley.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I didn't want to say two things on Canley real quick,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you know, talk about riding him as long as you can.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: You know, the last time he pitched sixty plus endings
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Cody was twenty nineteen.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Wow, So you.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Know there's some injury stuff in there obviously, but it
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like he has not pitched and he's at like thirty
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: nine I believe right now, So give or take there,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I'm pretty close. And also, and again,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: saves aren't everything. I understand that, but again, I just
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: wanted to point something out. He only had his season
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: high coming into this year was two saves, So like
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that just gives you an example of like the kind
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of leverage use he's had this year. He's got nine,
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: and we know in terms of how he's been used
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this year, he's been in more or less a saved
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: guy than more than nine saves worth. So so like
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to point that out in terms of
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: like this guy is probably guessed. Then he's thirty five,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: Like he's probably guessed. You need help and then vest
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: you know as well, you probably gotta say best from
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: himself a little bit and preserve him and be able
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: to have a third person that you were confident to
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: come into an eighth inning or going to come into
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: a ninth inning, to be able to shut down the
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: opposing team's offense. And right now you don't have that.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: And what I think about like just the ups and
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: downs of baseball, I don't think the Tigers are going
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: to have the twenty six rings bulk in the ra
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: in August. Like it's just hard to say. I mean,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: they're gonna have to make some changes, You're gonna have
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: to get some new bodies in there, but like it's
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: been so bad, it's almost due to get better in
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: a way, just because that's how this sport is.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: There will be fresh blood in some fashion, uh, but
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: you know where it comes from and what they're asked
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to do that that will be interesting. And then also
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to mention again that Matt Manning's on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: the forty man roster. If you could find a use
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: for him, that would be uh, that would be good.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: I know he has a six y r A and
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: uh in Toledo, but just saying he's on the four
• 26:00
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• 26:06
  Speaker 1: gonna get to a couple a couple like a concerning
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: notion and then also just kind of like a thought
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: exercise about a couple of outfielders for the Tigers.
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• 27:19
  Speaker 2: All right, coming back here, Cody uh. One of the.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Increasingly talked about aspects of this Tigers team is one
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: that was kind of like the one of the catalysts
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: for the run through the postseason last year, and that
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: would be one Parker Meadows. Parker Meadows is a Mendoza
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: level hitter right now, he's two hundred and one ninety nine,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: you know whatever, and three below the now he's one
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: ninety three now man, so t.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: One hundred and nine at bats now too. It's not
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: like it's thirty a decent sample.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: It's not good.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: And he had the him and Ryan miscommunication, you know,
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, you know, and those
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: are two guys that are used to you know, they've
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: been playing outfield together for years.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So that was like odd to see Parker.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Medals or in the Baseball Reference is only a point
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: one defensive war player.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And he played three balls in the last yeah, five games,
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: so incredibly uncharacteristic.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of uncharacter there's like a mix of
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: like characteristic and uncharacteristic. And then what you hope the
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: characteristic would be is essentially the Parker Meadows experienced so far.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, well, people are kind
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: of seeing like should he be sent down to Toledo.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, all right, well, let's go refresh the
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Toledo stats. As I say about triple A, I'm just
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: not sure what purpose it would serve for Parker Meadows
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: in his rehab stent, you know, coming off the injury.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Which was not short by the way.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: He had a six thirty six slugging percentage to go
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: with a four oh seven on base. So more time
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: in Toledo gonna solve his issues with major league pitching.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I just don't.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I just don't really think so. And then okay, but
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: let's just say you still do it. He's gotta work
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: on two things whatever you send them down. Uh So,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: now Vierling's playing center field basically full time, you supplement some.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: Winston Ling who's also been Yeah.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And then you supplement some Winstle in center field. Do
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: you have to give You know, you don't want to
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: do it, but do you have to give Riley a
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: game or two?
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Uh?
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: In center field?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I mean the benefit is you probably don't need Vierling
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: on the infield. With the McKinstry and the bias and
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Colt Keith being able to play at their base, you
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: feel kind of safe there. But like, we don't really
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: know what's going on with Carpenter's hamstring. You know, you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: we'll see it's hamstrings a hamstring, but like all of
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: a sudden like that, then what then what are you
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: gonna You're gonna call up? Call it Kreidler to give
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you some some some spill in center field. Is that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: gonna Does that float your boat? Do you call him
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Jahn and just kind of treat him like a true
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: right fielder. I actually would not be that opposed to that,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: because I want.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: A solution than anything else you just listened.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: I would like to see it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: But the point is there's not Again, there's not a
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: lot of slam dunk options here.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: No, I think you got to ride this out with
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Parker Meadows. Now part of me does like this is
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: why we can't just say, oh, he's gonna X guy
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: is gonna be a four win player, Like a lot
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: of people wear this winner. It's really hard to be
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: a four win player. I love Parker Meadows, great dude.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: He has an inconsistent hitting track record, and he's got
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: long levers and is prone to whiff. I think he's
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be a hitter who's prone to
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: some really rough slumps. In fact, he is. We have
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: seen that throughout his career at all levels. This is
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: what it is. He's also capable of getting really hot,
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: So I think you're gonna have to be able to
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: ride with that. You obviously have to hope the defensive
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: mistakes don't continue, and I don't think they will, right
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: It's it's been weird. I don't know if he's bringing
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: the bat whether or not, to the field, or he
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: just happened to get a couple of weird reads, Like
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: if Parker Meadows is playing Parker Meadow's ESCA defense, he
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: is still probably more valuable than any other option you
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: just listed. He can't hit one fifty, but he can
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: hit I don't know, it's a pretty low bar for
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: what he can hit. If he's giving you plus defense,
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: adding a little power, and maybe you can hit two
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: ten and it's all good. You know. So I think
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: you got to ride this out. I think the people
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: who are trying to send down Parker Meadows are some
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: of the people who are trying to send down Cole
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: Keith in April, and look how that one turned out.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: You got to ride this out. It would be nice
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: if you had a little better like contingency plan. Makes
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: me wonder like they're going to try to go get
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: some other like super utility guy deadline, like, well, let's
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: see Parker Medows he's gonna get You know, he missed
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: a long time with injury, and Matt Wierling missed a
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: long time with injury, and so I'm not sure if
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: it's coincidence that's taken both these guys a minute to
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: get up to speed. Here Simms Toledo, in my opinion,
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: is not a magical fix.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Again, my my question whenever it's anybody you know, and
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: I'll throw in guys that like it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: It was the right.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Decision, like Jace, you know, you know Kreidler, even though
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit different because he was never designed
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to be reliedable, But you know what I'm saying, j Hen,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Like my my my question is always going to be
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: to what end? So if you're gonna send down Parker Meadows, like,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: to what end, did you want him to have a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: one point oh eight five ops? And then and then
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and then call him up because he already did that.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So like so so again, to what end? To what end?
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Is is the question I would ask, and and and
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: then you and then you gotta sell me on it
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: because triple A it just it's it's impossible to gauge,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: absolutely impossible to gauge. All right, Another little thing that's
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: populated Tigers Twitter is this question about whether Riley Green
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: is clutch, and it's it's a funny. It's a funny thing, Cody,
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: because analytically speaking, we don't really believe in clutch, right.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: That was one of the that was one of the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: big like turning points of like like a really sports
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: talk in general, but like baseball talk and there.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: And there's a million things I.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Could throw at you about whether he is, quote clutch.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: I could tell you that with runners in scoring position,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: he has a eight forty three OHPS. I could tell
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: you with with runners on base period, which depending on
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the guy you it might sometimes first base his scoring position,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: you know the way Joey Kora, you know, likes to.
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  Speaker 2: Wave that arm.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: So like with just men on period, Riley Green has
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: an eight eighty seven OPS. But then there's like you know,
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  Speaker 1: tie game two out stuff where the numbers, you know,
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: tend to fall. Now, I didn't look at league average
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, whereas I think like probably two
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: outs with a runner on second, I doubt anybody's hitting
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: three fifty you know that has like that has a
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: certain number of bad bats. So I just kind of
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: wanted to get your gauge on this about like the
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Riley Green quote clutch discussion because I think it.
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  Speaker 2: I think it might be.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: It's a great thing that you could just you believe
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  Speaker 1: it and then you find this number and it confirms
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  Speaker 1: what you think and and you're done.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, he was pretty clutch Sunday he had pretty
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: clutch home run. Right for just going based on adodotal evidence. Now,
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: he's had some big at bats bets with runners in
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  Speaker 3: scoring position where he's punched and maybe not looked pretty
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: while doing it. It's not really a guy who cuts
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: down the swing trying to poke a single somewhere. And
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. Let's let the guy do some damage.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm ready to die on that hill. Now,
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: you just want to look at what the raw data says.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: If you're watching on YouTube, here's the leaderboard. Fangrafts has
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: a metric, the clutch metric. What it does isn't measures,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: it's kind of an oxymoron. It just measures how do
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: guys do in high leverage situations compared to normal situations.
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Riley Green sixth least clutch player. If you believe at
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: all in this metric having usefulness in baseball, he is
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: doing worse in leverage situations than he is regular situations
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: this season. Now, one of the big thoughts of why
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: clutch is not a real thing is because it tends
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: to be volatile throughout guy's careers. He's been better in
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: leverage situations every other season of his career. Also, here's
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: why I think this is done. Let's look at this list.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Juan Soto, Dansby Swonson, Austin Riley, Oh, Aaron Judge, no,
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  Speaker 3: says I think I want pretty much all these guys.
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  Speaker 2: I take that line like, might win a World Series
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  Speaker 2: with that lineup here. I just give it the least
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  Speaker 2: clutch guys, and I think, oh, you.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't win the World Series because none of them are clutch.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: And that's and that's something else too, like they're and
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: this is not being being dismissive in general to the
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: stats or even the notion like if you want to say, like,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: all right, in a tie game, he's also too eighty
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  Speaker 1: six hitter, Like it's just like there's a lot of
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: stuff in there. But if you're if you have a
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: measurement you talked up Aaron Judge quite highly on our
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: last episode and by the way, warranted. If you have
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: a unit of measurement that puts Aaron Judge as the
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: tenth worst anything as a hitter. It might be something
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: worth like redoing the formula. Yeah, just just and then
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  Speaker 1: one Soto is what number two on that list?
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  Speaker 2: It might be.
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  Speaker 1: Worth revisiting the formula that that might that anecdotally that
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: might be uh, that might be my reaction there.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I can guarantee you the Tigers feel pretty comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: him in uh, in quote clutch situations.
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  Speaker 2: It's a guy that they won out there by the way.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: That home run today off of lefty.
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  Speaker 3: Only a second of the year, struggled this.
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  Speaker 1: Year and at the time like a vital, vital play.
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: So all right, well, let's let's let's end the note
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and the podcast.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Cody, on a more positive note, we got news over
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: the weekend.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: Two things.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: One, Schooble will start the All Star Game, something that
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: was expected, but until something's official, it's hard to hard
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to be certain, especially given the talent that the that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: the American League as got.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: The wish Max Freed just bowed out. It was cool
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: to hear he called Scooble and talked to him before
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: kind of gauged whether Scooble wanted to start, and schoobl
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: was even like, I don't know, man, I know it's
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: your deal coming back to Atlanta, so I'm not gonna
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: be mad, and Free basically admitted that Schoobol deserved it
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and sounded like maybe he was looking fair a way
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: to get out anyway, and then he ended up getting
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: a terrible blister on his finger. So baseball Gods, I
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: don't know, but I think that works out. I think
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: schoobl deserves to start the All Star Game. I think
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: it'll be a really good product for the fans Scooble
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: verse schemes. We finally get it for all of one inning.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: I'm excited.
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: No, it's good and it's important.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I'm not one that subscribes to the fact that Trek
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Schouoble like pitched like as a differently on Friday in preparation.
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: Well the rest thing that I did, the metrics on
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that are really not even metrics, just fucking remote era like.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's that's all warranted. But in terms
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: of like I take a couple of miles hour up
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: the fastball. So saw some of that on the Twitter sphere.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: I will say, I agree, and then the other piece
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: and this is really cool, and I put this on
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: next Cody like School's obviously a perseverance redemption story. Torres
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: is to a certain extent, you know, Green is to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a certain extent obviously Hobby and McKinstry. But not to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: be lost on that. Now that he's officially an All Star,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Casey miz I mean number one overall pick, like the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: first face of the rebuild. You know, that's a lot
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to take on. And he certainly had his major league struggles,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: and then he had injuries and then you know how
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: guaranteed was his roster spot not that guaranteed, And now
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: he is going to be an.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: All Star, and that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I'll be curious to hear from you what, you know,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: how did Casey react to that kind of news, something
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: that I'm sure he envisioned for himself, but he also
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time probably thought was gonna happen maybe
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: two three years earlier.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: You know, It's yeah, he was pretty He keeps kind
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: of business like about it, Like I think that speaks
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: to like the Casey Mice who has a very high
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: standard for himself. Probably there was He's like, yeah, I
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: should have been doing this a couple of years ago,
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: you know he did. He got a little reflective with
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: one quote where he said, you know, it's some hard
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: work and tough time finally turning into success and good times.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: That's true, it's a really good story. But he wasn't like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: at least when he talked to reporters, he wasn't emotional.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: He didn't get super reflective. He was, if I had
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: to guess, and just even reading his bike, I think
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: he was trying to like hold some of that in.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: I think this means a lot to him, but I don't,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you know, Yeah, I think he feels like he should
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: be an All Star. I think it means something to
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: him to be there. But like I think he's like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: all right now, I gotta I want to be this
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: guy every year. Unrelated to Casey because I think it's
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: cool he's going. But dude, pretty much everyone's bout out
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: of this thing. Like, I don't know what the answer
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: is to get guys to actually want to play in
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: the All Star Game. But god, silly, it's like this
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: every year, but it seemed even worse this season.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: It did seem like a lot of like anecdote, felt
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: like a lot more updates and like, you know, this
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: person is not trying to play. This person not trying
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: to play. Uh, you know what the solution there is, Cody,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: is to bring back home field advantage in the World Series.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: It's probably to pay. It's probaby to pay players. We
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: have to pay you to go to the All Star
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Game or something.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: If you pitch.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: If you pitch in the All Star Game, then your
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: then your team gets a ten percent increase in the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: upcoming salary cap that the owners are going to push
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: to the next uh CBA. That's a topic for another day,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: but congratulates here. Congratulations the Terek, Congratulations the Casey. That's
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: really cool. And then you know, and we'll circle back
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to what we start out with. Congratulations to Jordan Yos
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: and congratulations to Michael Olbedo. Lifelong dream the first in
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a line of lifelong dream fulfilled. It's really cool and
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see what they do for the Tigers
• 42:03
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• 42:06
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• 42:11
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• 42:17
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• 42:21
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• 42:24
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• 42:27
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• 42:31
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• 42:34
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• 42:46
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• 42:47
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• 42:50
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