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Donna Rotunno | Criminal Defense Lawyer Breaks Down Lindsay Clancy, Luigi Mangione & Penn State Cocaine Ring Cases · Sid & Friends In The Morning

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  Speaker 1: It is a major story. And I watched Donna Rotuno
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  Speaker 1: for all this stuff, her and Paul Morrile, and Donna
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  Speaker 1: has become a very very deep friend of this program.
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  Speaker 1: She joins us right now. I guess she's in Chicago. Donna,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Good morning? Said, yes, I am in Chicago. How are
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  Speaker 2: you today?
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  Speaker 1: I'm great? What's wrong with your baseball fans? Yeah, they're
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  Speaker 1: doing coke, they're starting fights, or there's fights on the
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  Speaker 1: field with the Cubs in White Sox, there's fights in
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  Speaker 1: the stands. The hell is going on in Chicago?
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  Speaker 2: Wow? You know, said as a Cub fan. That's what
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  Speaker 2: happens when you West Sox fan in the Wrigley Field happens.
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  Speaker 1: I mean you had a rest all over the places
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  Speaker 1: that last game between the Cubs and the White Sox.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, it was unbelievable. It's so sad and the
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  Speaker 2: friendly confines of Wrigley Field to have such fighting and debauchery.
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless, there it was, and these fans should know better.
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  Speaker 1: Well, when you mix cocaine and alcohol with a baseball rivalry,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes idea right, whether it's the Giants and the or
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  Speaker 1: the Mets and Yankees, or Cubs and White Sox. You're
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  Speaker 1: destined to have stuff like that happen.
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  Speaker 2: So let me get to the open for an Eagles
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  Speaker 2: game every day?
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  Speaker 1: Right, Eagles every day? That's right? God, but we hate
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  Speaker 1: the Eagles, we do. Let me get to Lindsey Clancy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm watching this very very closely, and it's hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to say I'm sympathetic towards a person who murdered
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  Speaker 1: her three children. And she did it. She told the
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  Speaker 1: husband go to the pharmacy, go here, go there, to
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  Speaker 1: give herself time to actually do it, so she knew
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  Speaker 1: how to get the husband out of the house, that
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  Speaker 1: I can do this. She fell short of killing herself.
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  Speaker 1: So there's a lot there that bothers me. Yet, with
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  Speaker 1: all that said, for some reason, watching this, I really
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  Speaker 1: do think she's insane. I don't think she's an evil person.
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  Speaker 1: She was going through some very difficult postpartum She was
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  Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of meds that didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 1: So look, I mean, she's she's being buildipied every day
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  Speaker 1: and deservedly so. But unlike Mangione, well, I think is
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  Speaker 1: just a narcissist and a psycho. I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: the case with Clancy. But you're the expert, you tell me.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I couldn't agree with you more. And the problem
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  Speaker 2: with the narrative that the prosecutor sets out about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the planning and she made reservations for her husband to
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  Speaker 2: go kick out food that she ordered previously, and she
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  Speaker 2: sent him to CVS and she had this grand plan.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's nothing more than a narrative. They're using
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  Speaker 2: the facts and circumstances to say that's what happened. But frankly,
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  Speaker 2: when somebody flips out in some psychotic, psychosist state, there's
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  Speaker 2: really no logic behind it. So to try to assess
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  Speaker 2: logic to the circumstance I think is the first problem,
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  Speaker 2: and I think that's really where they fail. I also
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  Speaker 2: think the prosecutors are failing in this sort of dual
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  Speaker 2: way that they're coming at her. So you hear all
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  Speaker 2: of these doctors testify to every thing that she did,
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  Speaker 2: all of the medical treatment she sought, every my chart
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  Speaker 2: entry she made about her feeling getting progressively worse. This
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  Speaker 2: is a woman who called a suicide hotline twice. This
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  Speaker 2: is a woman who checked herself in to an institution
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  Speaker 2: and was told she was just done too much medication,
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  Speaker 2: and they didn't let her stay past four days. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: this was somebody who was begging for help. And as
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  Speaker 2: a defense attorney, you very rarely have documented history of
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  Speaker 2: this type of medical treatment when you're trying a case,
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  Speaker 2: and this is not one of those you know, what
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  Speaker 2: can we come up with in a defense. This is
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  Speaker 2: a documented, true situation that was happening in her life.
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  Speaker 2: And as awful as this is and as sad as
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  Speaker 2: it is, nothing this court does to her said, is
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  Speaker 2: going to be worse than the prison she lives in
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  Speaker 2: in her own mind for the rest of her life.
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  Speaker 2: And frankly, the whole thing is so incredibly sad. And
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  Speaker 2: I listened to both grandmothers testify yesterday, Lindsay's mother and
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  Speaker 2: Patrick's mother, and both of them testified on her behalf.
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  Speaker 2: And here's where men who lost their grandchildren and they're
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  Speaker 2: still there feeling empathy and sympathy for her. So I
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  Speaker 2: just don't know how the state thinks that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to get past that with the jury. And I just
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  Speaker 2: don't think the state's doing a very good job. And
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  Speaker 2: Massachusetts law is favorable to the defense when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to these issues. The prosecutors have to prove that she
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  Speaker 2: wasn't insane. That's a very hard thing to do with
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  Speaker 2: this medical information that we've seen.
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  Speaker 1: The prosecutors had a terrible day yesterday, and you're right,
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  Speaker 1: both grandmothers. Now, it's one thing for her mother, but
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  Speaker 1: to see Susan Clancy up there defend her and she
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  Speaker 1: did vehemently. Two things that the prosecution did yesterday, two
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  Speaker 1: moments that were particularly stupid. One is they asked one
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  Speaker 1: of the doctors if he actually had Clancy lie about
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  Speaker 1: her state of mind, which is ridiculous, And maybe the
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  Speaker 1: worst of all, when they started pounding her former mother
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  Speaker 1: in law, the applementioned Susan Clancy and asked Susan Clancy
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  Speaker 1: if she understood that murder is a mortal sin. Not
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  Speaker 1: pissed the judge of so much he stopped the proceedings
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  Speaker 1: right there. So at least two cases where the prosecution
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  Speaker 1: was awful in yesterday's hearing.
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  Speaker 2: I could not believe that's it. I was watching it live,
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  Speaker 2: because of course I'm going to be commenting on it
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  Speaker 2: all week, and I was watching it live. And when
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  Speaker 2: she not only did she ask her if she thought
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  Speaker 2: it was a mortal sin. She said, well you're you
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  Speaker 2: are practicing Catholic and then went into it and it
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh my goodness, bad move. I mean, even
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  Speaker 2: before the defense attorney could object to judge call everybody
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  Speaker 2: up to the bench. I mean, that was just an
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  Speaker 2: awful move, and that's that's going to haunt her her
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  Speaker 2: whole career. A very very bad question.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think happened today? Is just more doctors,
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  Speaker 1: more people defending clancy. What do you think happens in
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  Speaker 1: the courtroom today?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, think about all the treatment she had
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  Speaker 2: and all the people they're going to call doctors, they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna call experts, they're going to talk about combinations of medication.
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  Speaker 2: So I think we're going to continue to see the
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  Speaker 2: defense just hammer away as this. And frankly, I thought
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  Speaker 2: the prosecution lost this case weeks ago, So we'll see
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  Speaker 2: what happened. When is disagree with me? But that's no,
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  Speaker 2: I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with you. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: married to one, a really good one, and I got
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  Speaker 1: a million lawyers on this show all week long between
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  Speaker 1: Tacopina Doorschwitz. So when do you expect them to wrap
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  Speaker 1: this up?
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  Speaker 2: You know they've sent six weeks total. I'm not so sure.
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  Speaker 2: I think it'll just depend a lot of time for
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  Speaker 2: the defense. They make a decision at some point, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that they they've proved that they need to prove, and
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  Speaker 2: they've elicited the testimony they need to elicit, and maybe
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  Speaker 2: he may stop at some point. I don't know how
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  Speaker 2: many witnesses he has left. I am going out to
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  Speaker 2: Boston for Monday and Tuesday, so hopefully it's still going
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  Speaker 2: on so I can report from there.
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  Speaker 1: And in fact she is found guilty, she's facing life
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  Speaker 1: in prison, no death penalty. And if she's not guilty them,
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  Speaker 1: I assume she spends the rest of her life in
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  Speaker 1: something psych wood correct.
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  Speaker 2: That's absolutely right, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, let me get to a real psycle path, real
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  Speaker 1: socio path. I think a person. I know it sounds
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  Speaker 1: crazy because she killed three of her own kids, but
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  Speaker 1: I think Luigi Manngioni is worse than she is. I do,
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  Speaker 1: and for some reason, right and this animal is on
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  Speaker 1: TV almost every day, he's calling the shots. I want
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  Speaker 1: cameras in the courtroom. I want this. I want that
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  Speaker 1: for a guy that committed this cowardly, really cowardly. He
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  Speaker 1: shot the guy in the back. The guy wasn't even
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  Speaker 1: ready for it. This guy's a punk, a little bitch.
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  Speaker 1: Why is this guy getting so much airtime? And when
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  Speaker 1: is this thing going to be over with this guy?
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  Speaker 2: Well, the fact that he went into the court last
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  Speaker 2: week in the federal court and took that flea and
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  Speaker 2: you know, put himself in the courtroom and said I
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  Speaker 2: plead guilty without a deal with the government, I think
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  Speaker 2: is one step closer to ending this. And if because
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  Speaker 2: of that decision, the New York State Court can't proceed,
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  Speaker 2: then this will be over by December. But we'll see
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  Speaker 2: what happens in New York and the way Judge Carroll
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  Speaker 2: rules on whether or not the double jeopardy laws in
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  Speaker 2: New York will preclude New York from moving forward. So
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  Speaker 2: the state has to brief that issue, and they're back
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  Speaker 2: in court on December tenth on the state side, and
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  Speaker 2: on December eighteenth, he's supposed to be sentenced in federal court.
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  Speaker 1: Now, why did he plead guilty on the federal side
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  Speaker 1: last week? Do we know exactly why?
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  Speaker 2: Well, everybody's really kind of wondering that. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: most obvious reason is to try to circumvent the state prosecution.
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  Speaker 2: So if they're successful in arguing that double jeopardy kicks
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  Speaker 2: in in New York now that he has pled in
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  Speaker 2: federal court, then it's a very good chance that the
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  Speaker 2: state court doesn't proceed. If the state court does proceed,
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  Speaker 2: then the only thing they've really gained is pushing that
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  Speaker 2: trial out. They remember, they never wanted to start that
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  Speaker 2: September eighth, They were asking for a longer date. You
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  Speaker 2: could argue that one way or another, they either got
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  Speaker 2: the continuation that they wanted or they're going to circumvent
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  Speaker 2: the process altogether. But that being said, if he has
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  Speaker 2: a trial in the state courts, now he has already
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  Speaker 2: admitted this in federal court, so they could use that
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  Speaker 2: against him in state court. And so the only thing
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  Speaker 2: that you could hope for, I think in state court
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  Speaker 2: is a bunch of you know, crazy wacko Manhattan jurors
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  Speaker 2: that think this guy was justified. And you know, and
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  Speaker 2: there's not one person said who supports him because they
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  Speaker 2: think he didn't do it. Right. They are supporting him, right,
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  Speaker 2: they know he did it. They're supporting him because they
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  Speaker 2: think he was justified, and they're supporting the decision. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it's craziness.
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  Speaker 1: He was so proud of himself after he murdered Brian
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  Speaker 1: Thompson and cold blood. He was so proud of himself.
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  Speaker 1: Last one, my daughter goes to college in Pennsylvania. She
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  Speaker 1: goes to a very good law school. She doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: to Penn State. But now we know why they call
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  Speaker 1: it Happy Valley because all these kids were all drunk
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  Speaker 1: and hooked up. This is an unbelievable story. This ring,
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  Speaker 1: which is interstate of course, between New York and Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 1: where they provided cocaine and had the pledges, the frat
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  Speaker 1: pledges at Sigma Chi and Delta Upsilon, actually begging all
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  Speaker 1: the cocaine to distribute it to the students at penn
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  Speaker 1: State University. This is an unbelievable story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they had like a Frank Lucas operations going on
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  Speaker 2: over there. It was unbelievable. I mean, I read that
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  Speaker 2: story and I thought, Wow, colleges have really become more
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  Speaker 2: advanced since I was there. This is insane and how stupid.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the risk that you take to ruin the
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  Speaker 2: trajectory of your entire life by getting involved in this
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  Speaker 2: is just dumb, and it just shows the entitlement. It
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  Speaker 2: shows the entitlement and the thought that these students stuf,
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  Speaker 2: they were untouchable, the frat kids. It's just it's very unfortunate.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, here you are in a prestigious university, you
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  Speaker 2: can write your own ticket when you get out, and
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  Speaker 2: then you find yourself in this. It's just so unbelievable
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: It is a wild story. Donna Rotuno is always excellent
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  Speaker 1: job and we'll be watching you on Fox News every day. Lily,
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  Speaker 1: you are the best. Thank you so much. Thanks YouTube
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  Speaker 1: Donna Rotuno right there on Fox News. She's covering this
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  Speaker 1: Lindsay Clancy trial. She's on Fox News about ten times
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  Speaker 1: a day. Luigi Man Jony, she does. All of them
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  Speaker 1: are good friend, Lindsey. I was gonna say, Lindsay Clancy.
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