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Farewell to a Legend... and More Importantly My Friend · The Wes Carroll Morning Show

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Speaker 1: Start your day with Wes. You're listening to the West
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Speaker 1: Carrol Morning Show.
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Speaker 2: Monday morning, twenty second day of December. I am Wes.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. We are entering into the week
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Speaker 2: of Christmas. Shopping day is running out quickly. It was
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Speaker 2: a very busy shopping day one of the weekend, but
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Speaker 2: especially Saturday, one of the busiest of the year. We'll
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Speaker 2: talk more about that coming up a little bit later
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Speaker 2: on in the show. But yes, your time to get
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Speaker 2: Christmas gifts, Holiday gifts, it's running out. This is it.
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Speaker 2: You're in the final stretch, the final countdown, with Christmas
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Speaker 2: Eve just a couple days away now Christmas Day one
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Speaker 2: more day from that. Oh that's the way the whole
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Speaker 2: Eve thing works, isn't it. And just a reminder if
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Speaker 2: you live in an area where Christmas Day happens to
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Speaker 2: be your waste pickup day, just putting that out there
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Speaker 2: for you, a little piece of information, a reminder that
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Speaker 2: according to online sources, they have moved. That's Wednesday is
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Speaker 2: typically the makeup day and that will be the day
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Speaker 2: for the folks for Thursday. I guess there'll still be
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Speaker 2: some stuff on Friday and maybe a little bit of
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Speaker 2: overlap for things, but just be ready to get your
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Speaker 2: stuff out on Christmas Eve. Apparently they're going to be
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Speaker 2: running and picking up things. I typically try to always
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Speaker 2: the week before make sure that all my recycling is
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Speaker 2: done because there are going to be boxes, and there's
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Speaker 2: going to be paper and all sorts of fun stuff.
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Speaker 2: Now remember some of the paper and packaging you can't
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Speaker 2: really recycle, but not at least with them, at least
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Speaker 2: in the Chattahoochee Valley area. They don't want you doing
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Speaker 2: that where you live. If you're listening outside of my hometown,
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Speaker 2: you may be able to recycle it. Just know what
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Speaker 2: you can and can't put in there. I usually make
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Speaker 2: sure it's empty the Thursday before Christmas, and did not
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Speaker 2: realize how full it was rookie mistake. It's almost completely full,
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Speaker 2: So I really really hope they show up on Wednesday
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Speaker 2: to pick up. Otherwise we're gonna have a lot just
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Speaker 2: crammed into that can on Thursday, so when they do
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Speaker 2: show up to pick it up, it will be, you know,
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Speaker 2: spilling out. So anyway, just giving you that little bit
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Speaker 2: of heads up if you happen to live somewhere, depending
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Speaker 2: on what town you're in, and I'm reporting sources for
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Speaker 2: Muskogee County in Columbus, Georgia, So wherever you live, it's
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Speaker 2: up to you to make sure. I'm just giving you
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Speaker 2: a heads up to check on that. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: jump into the topic for today's show. I don't know
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Speaker 2: how long I can do this. I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: as much as I can, and this is probably just
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Speaker 2: going to be the meat of the show. I don't
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Speaker 2: know how long this is going to go, so I
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Speaker 2: just want to give you edds that this could be
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Speaker 2: a shorter version of the show. And I'm gonna try
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Speaker 2: to get through this because this is a tough one
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Speaker 2: this morning. So where to begin? I guess we'll just
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Speaker 2: begin with stating and for folks that do live in
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Speaker 2: the Chattahoochee Valley area really and surrounding areas fifty mile
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Speaker 2: radius fifty plus mile radius, you almost certainly know the name,
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Speaker 2: at least if you're of a certain age, know the
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Speaker 2: name Chuck. Leonard Chuck is a true broadcasting legend in
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Speaker 2: this area. He you know, a career that spanned you know,
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Speaker 2: four decades working in broadcasting in TV and radio. He
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Speaker 2: passed way after a very quick now this is a
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Speaker 2: better way to say this. He's had health problems that
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Speaker 2: escalated very quickly, and the health problems aren't necessarily the story.
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Speaker 2: I mean, some would say, well, how did this all
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Speaker 2: happen quickly? He basically started to have liver failure. I
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Speaker 2: think that that was something that progressed much more quickly
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Speaker 2: than what was expected. I think there was a certain
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Speaker 2: knowledge that, you know, he and his wife Carol had that,
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Speaker 2: you know, something was wrong. There was hope maybe of
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Speaker 2: a liver transplant and those kinds of things, but he
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Speaker 2: had some other health issues to go with it. So
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Speaker 2: he was ultimately, after going to Emory to be checked
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Speaker 2: for all those things, was sent back to Columbus to
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Speaker 2: hospice last week. And if you are like me, you
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Speaker 2: may have followed some of this on social media, just
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Speaker 2: seeing the story of the illness, how serious it was,
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Speaker 2: and then the fact that he was coming back to hospice.
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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure when he was arriving back for hospice.
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Speaker 2: I had not spoken with him since all this started.
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Speaker 2: Many a lot of this stuff was getting started while
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Speaker 2: I was doing the Nutcracker last weekend, so it was
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Speaker 2: a busy time for me and by the time word
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Speaker 2: that he was coming back to Columbus and that he
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Speaker 2: was back in Columbus. It had all just spiraled very quickly,
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Speaker 2: and my plans to go see him in hospice and
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Speaker 2: talk with him and see how he was changed pretty
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Speaker 2: drastically when a word came out from his wife that
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Speaker 2: he had basically begun the transition and he was just
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Speaker 2: basically sleeping all day. And that hit me hard because
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Speaker 2: I really hoped to speak with him again and I
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Speaker 2: didn't have that opportunity. I did go Thursday to see
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Speaker 2: him in hospice, and I did talk with him, certainly
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Speaker 2: missed hearing him talk back. He's one of those people
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Speaker 2: in his life that he liked to talk. He's a storyteller.
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Speaker 2: It's one of the things that he and I connected on,
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Speaker 2: and inevitably you knew sometimes when you were talking with him,
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Speaker 2: if he asked you a question, he wanted to hear
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Speaker 2: your answer, and then he had some story that was
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Speaker 2: related to his question. It always felt like he was,
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Speaker 2: you know, working to set up either a joke or
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Speaker 2: set up a story or something. It's one of the
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Speaker 2: things that I loved a lot about him. When I
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Speaker 2: went to see him, he was exactly as described. He
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Speaker 2: was just sleeping. He was there in the bed. It
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Speaker 2: was pretty apparent that things were happening very quickly. I
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Speaker 2: enjoyed my time there with his wife, just chatting with
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Speaker 2: her about him, what he meant to me, and just
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Speaker 2: had a quick chat with Chuck before I left. One
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Speaker 2: of our very dear mutual friends, Jesse, who worked with.
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Speaker 1: Me.
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Speaker 2: I knew her for a very long time, but I
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Speaker 2: hired her at a job that I was working at
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Speaker 2: news talk radio, and she was basically trying to get
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Speaker 2: into TV, that's what she wanted to do, and she
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Speaker 2: said that they really wanted her to have some experience
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Speaker 2: at a broadcast company. And I said, well, come work
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Speaker 2: for me or with me, and we will get you
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Speaker 2: some broadcast experience and then we'll get you a TV job.
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Speaker 2: That was what the plan was from the very beginning,
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Speaker 2: and ultimately that worked out. She got a TV job,
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Speaker 2: then she got another TV job, and she ended up,
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Speaker 2: you know, working at WTVM, basically on Chuck's recommendation. So
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Speaker 2: she also wanted to come by and see him and
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Speaker 2: say goodbye, and we just sort of conveniently were there
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Speaker 2: at the same time. Some would say by accident. Some
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Speaker 2: would say by chance. I believe it was all meant
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Speaker 2: to be. There's a much higher power at play then
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Speaker 2: I can deny, and I think it was great that
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Speaker 2: we were able to be there at the same time.
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Speaker 2: I don't see Jesse as much as I wish that
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Speaker 2: I still did, and I certainly didn't see Chuck as
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Speaker 2: much as I wish that I did, so I was
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Speaker 2: glad I got to see her there. Just quickly before
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Speaker 2: I get into the personal stuff. Chuck's wife, Carol, and
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Speaker 2: his two children. He's got a son and a daughter.
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Speaker 2: They certainly need your prayers. This is going to be
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Speaker 2: a rough week for them the holidays. I know they will.
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Speaker 2: She's announced on and I guess this is okay to say,
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Speaker 2: because she put it on social media that they've decided
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Speaker 2: on a cremation so that they can have more time
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Speaker 2: to plan a memorial service for him. There's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people that wanted to, you know, want an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to be there to say goodbye at a memorial service.
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Speaker 2: Not everybody was able to come see him in hospice
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Speaker 2: or speak with him on the phone. So they need
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Speaker 2: your prayers. And there's some other things sort of going
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Speaker 2: on Carol's having surgery this week on top of everything else.
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Speaker 2: It's it's a lot on this family. So just think
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Speaker 2: about them over the Christmas break and say a prayer
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Speaker 2: for them, especially if Chuck has had any sort of
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Speaker 2: an impact on your life, and a lot of people
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Speaker 2: he did. So on that note, I met Chuck when
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Speaker 2: I was a kid. I was probably about ten years old,
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Speaker 2: and he was unbelievably kind. He was in an event
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Speaker 2: that he was there just probably I assume volunteering at
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Speaker 2: this event and he was. It was at a school
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Speaker 2: related event and he was just there m seeing something
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Speaker 2: or hosting something. But I met him certainly had a
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Speaker 2: positive impact on me. His work in broadcasting. He is
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Speaker 2: one of a handful of people in my community and
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Speaker 2: my time growing up that I would say had a
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Speaker 2: direct influence on me wanting to get into broadcasting. Another
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Speaker 2: of those is my dear friend Scott Miller, and for
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Speaker 2: him to be in that elite company with Scott Miller,
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Speaker 2: I mean, they are two legends of broadcasting. And just
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Speaker 2: you know, I've talked a lot about Scott over the years.
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Speaker 2: I worked directly with Scott in a studio for you know,
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Speaker 2: we sat across a desk from each other for a
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Speaker 2: very long time in a studio. And so you probably
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Speaker 2: know what I think of Scott. And when I say that,
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Speaker 2: you know, Chuck had a similar type of influence on
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Speaker 2: me getting into radio. Now, you know, working directly with
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Speaker 2: Scott a little bit of it. And I worked directly
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Speaker 2: with Chuck, and I'll get to that in a second,
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Speaker 2: but you know, Scott was a bit more of a
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Speaker 2: mentor for me than Chuck. Chuck just gave me a
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Speaker 2: positivity about broadcasting from a very young age. And there
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Speaker 2: were others, you know, that had an influence on me,
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Speaker 2: but certainly here at the local level, those two were
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Speaker 2: pretty significant. Years later, jump ahead years later, eight nine
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Speaker 2: years after I met him for the first time, I
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Speaker 2: was offered the opportunity to come work at Sunny one hundred.
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Speaker 2: I had started a TV show that I was doing
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Speaker 2: on my own with some friends at a very kind
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Speaker 2: of low power TV station, and on the very first episode,
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Speaker 2: I had Dan Brennan on, who was the morning show
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Speaker 2: host on Sunday one hundred, and Chuck was his newsman slash,
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Speaker 2: you know, co host in the show, not really co host,
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Speaker 2: but kind of almost like a sidekick there and Dan
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Speaker 2: after coming and appearing on my TV show, you know,
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Speaker 2: basically said you should come work with us at Sonny
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Speaker 2: one hundred, and I said, okay, and I went and
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Speaker 2: met with him. They hired me. After a couple of months,
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Speaker 2: I was doing overnights on the station part time, not
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Speaker 2: not you know, filling in for the then night host
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Speaker 2: Mike Brown and doing weekend shifts and whatever they would
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Speaker 2: have me do. And one of the best things about
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Speaker 2: working over nights meant my shift ended as Dan came
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Speaker 2: in and he and Chuck were getting ready to do
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Speaker 2: the morning show together. Now, back then, Chuck was in
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Speaker 2: a little closet, little studio at WTVM on a microphone
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Speaker 2: that would transmit to the Sunny one hundred studio and
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Speaker 2: Dan would record it and then off and on during
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Speaker 2: the morning when Chuck was able to be there, he
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Speaker 2: would sit in the in the little tiny booth and
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Speaker 2: they would talk to each other live on the air.
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Speaker 2: And I loved seeing them interact. Was it was a
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Speaker 2: fun behind the scenes. This is before you know. Now
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Speaker 2: you can see a lot of radio people doing things
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Speaker 2: before podcasting, before all that. Seeing these two guys how
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Speaker 2: they worked, they were pros and getting that insight into
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Speaker 2: what the job was for them, and knowing that I
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Speaker 2: wanted to continue doing it. And I was still very
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Speaker 2: green at radio and wasn't even sure that that's what
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do. But I quickly, you know, got
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Speaker 2: that perspective on it and thought, I want to do this,
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Speaker 2: and I want to do this. Well. There was a
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Speaker 2: certain incident that happened. I was asked to I'm going
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Speaker 2: to give a very short version of the story, but
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Speaker 2: I was asked to put Christmas lights on some trees
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Speaker 2: outside our studio. And I had never done really put
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Speaker 2: any Christmas lights up other than a couple of strands
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Speaker 2: on the tree at home. But I was very you know,
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Speaker 2: I'm still a teenager at this point. I failed miserably.
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Speaker 2: It was a mess that I made and I couldn't
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Speaker 2: get it undone. Lights were tangled. It was awful, and
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Speaker 2: I left a note in the studio that or in
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Speaker 2: the building at the front desk that just basically said,
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Speaker 2: you know, I fought the lights and the lights won,
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Speaker 2: and signed it and just letting them know I couldn't
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Speaker 2: finish it. Chuck loved that story. It was one of
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Speaker 2: his favorite stories about me. I'm sure He's probably told
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Speaker 2: people that story many times. He told it at one
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Speaker 2: of our Christmas parties, and it was the moment when
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Speaker 2: I I realized we're friends now. It wasn't just he
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Speaker 2: makes me feel like a friend, which is something that
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Speaker 2: he did with anyone he met. That was the moment
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Speaker 2: when I realized we were friends. He was giving me
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Speaker 2: a hard time while also not being mean about it.
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Speaker 2: We went on to have a friendship that lasted, you know,
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Speaker 2: my entire time working and broadcasting. He would he would
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Speaker 2: also did the news for us on WDAK in the mornings.
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Speaker 2: He would sometimes jump on and talk with us there
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Speaker 2: on the show. I had him on one of my
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Speaker 2: podcasts back in March, and I had many lunches with
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Speaker 2: him over the years. We bumped into each other many
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Speaker 2: times out and would have much too long conversations. When
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Speaker 2: you would think that we would just be quick, hey,
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Speaker 2: how are you doing, and move on. No, it was
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Speaker 2: never that. It was always stories. Sometimes I'd be at
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Speaker 2: lunch with someone else and suddenly he was at the
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Speaker 2: table and part of it and we all had a
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Speaker 2: great time. That was Chuck. That was what our relationship
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Speaker 2: was like. That is what our friendship was like. Chuck
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Speaker 2: meant a lot to me in a number of ways.
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Speaker 2: He was a great friend, and he was a great
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Speaker 2: friend to the city of Columbus. He was a great
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Speaker 2: friend to the Chattahoochee Valley area, all the way into
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Speaker 2: the reach of the stations where he worked, to Auburn
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Speaker 2: and up into you know, Lagrange, Georgia, you know, spanning
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Speaker 2: the whole area. He was just a great friend, and
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Speaker 2: he was a great asset to the community. He did
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Speaker 2: a lot for the community, but for me selfishly, he
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Speaker 2: did a lot for me. I'm gonna miss Chuck very much.
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Speaker 2: I still haven't fully even processed my grief. This one
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Speaker 2: was hard. This one was really hard. I've enjoyed seeing
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Speaker 2: posts on social media from people saying that they had
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Speaker 2: worked with him, that they knew him, that they'd met
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Speaker 2: him once, all those sorts of things. None of those
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Speaker 2: things surprised me. None of those things surprised me at all.
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Speaker 2: He was a good guy. He had a big heart,
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Speaker 2: he had a quick wit. He had a dark and
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Speaker 2: twisted sense of humor at times. And it's one of
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Speaker 2: the reasons that we were friends. And I love the guy.
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Speaker 2: And this is a hard one. And you know, when
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Speaker 2: I took a few moments with him just to speak
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Speaker 2: to him while he was in hospice. I just made
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Speaker 2: sure that he knew that. And I just wish that
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Speaker 2: I had known it was going to happen so fast,
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Speaker 2: right after the break. Well, if you're listening, you survived
21:39
Speaker 2: what is one of the busiest shopping days of the year,
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Speaker 2: dubbed Super Saturday. That's what they called the Saturday before Christmas.
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Speaker 2: They say it's the second busiest shopping day of the year,
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Speaker 2: behind only Black Friday. I do kind of wonder if
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Speaker 2: that has changed somewhat, or if they factor in the
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Speaker 2: cyber shopping the online stuff to go with it. I
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Speaker 2: don't know, but they still call it Super Saturday. So
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Speaker 2: if you were out shopping this weekend, congratulations. I went
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Speaker 2: shopping with a friend early, early, and I mean very
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Speaker 2: early in the day yesterday. We were up at six
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Speaker 2: just to get into some of the stores that were
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Speaker 2: open earlier and be done with them before all hades
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Speaker 2: broke loose, and we managed to successfully navigate some of
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Speaker 2: the other stores again before things got crazy in the
22:42
Speaker 2: pre church hours. Even so, that was good. Jill and
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Speaker 2: I did a little shopping on Saturday. Few stores way
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Speaker 2: too busy for us, So even if we wanted to
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Speaker 2: get something in those stores, we weren't going to mess
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Speaker 2: around with that just because of how long the lines were.
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Speaker 2: Did you know? Norah has been tracking Santa's travels on
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Speaker 2: Christmas Eve since nineteen fifty eight. According to their website,
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Speaker 2: it started in nineteen fifty five. You know, I mean
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Speaker 2: I actually started the tracking part A couple of years later.
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Speaker 2: A young child accidentally dialed an unlisted number for the
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Speaker 2: then called CONAD CONAD Operation Center after seeing a newspaper
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Speaker 2: advertisement telling kids to call Santa. And apparently there was
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Speaker 2: a typo or a misprint or something went on because
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Speaker 2: the very secret phone number for the red phone at
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Speaker 2: the Conninal Air Defense Command which is now known as
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Speaker 2: NORAD got dialed up. The director of operations then at
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Speaker 2: Colonel Harry Shoop, answered the phone confused with a kid
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Speaker 2: asking about Santa, and he instructed his staff to check
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Speaker 2: the radar for indications of Santa making his way south
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Speaker 2: from the North Pole, and that that began the idea
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Speaker 2: to start tracking Santa's journey each year, which started in
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight, and of course that has been a
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Speaker 2: tradition that many have partaken in all around the world.
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Speaker 2: So a nice job on them to swerve into it.
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Speaker 2: Big oops for the folks that accidentally published the super
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Speaker 2: secret and you know, as it should be phone number.
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Speaker 2: So December the most popular month to propose, Christmas Eve,
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Speaker 2: Christmas Day, New Year's Eve among the most popular days
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Speaker 2: of the year to get engaged. So if things are
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Speaker 2: serious with you and your significant other and you think
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Speaker 2: there's a chance that the question might get popped, statistically speaking,
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Speaker 2: you got three of the high percentage days of it
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Speaker 2: may be happening unless you have laid down the line.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to do this in front of family
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Speaker 2: or friends or on a holiday, and if they don't
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Speaker 2: listen and it's they're asking at their own risks, that's
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Speaker 2: my attitude on it. I understand that it still could
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Speaker 2: be a very special moment. They could work it out
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Speaker 2: in a way that it works out for the best
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Speaker 2: for everybody. However, I would think you have to keep
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Speaker 2: that in mind when you consider your answer and they're
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Speaker 2: putting you on the spot first of all for the
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Speaker 2: answer by doing it in front of so many people. Okay,
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Speaker 2: there's something gen z ers are worried about when it
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Speaker 2: comes to seeing family over the holiday season. According to
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Speaker 2: a new survey, fifty eight percent of twenty somethings say
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Speaker 2: that they've exaggerated their career achievements to their family. Forty
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Speaker 2: two percent admit they thought of questions at the holiday
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Speaker 2: dinner table stresses them out, and a third even consider
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Speaker 2: ditching the holiday gatherings entirely to dodge career inquisitions. Look,
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Speaker 2: there's a lot to say here. I know that this
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Speaker 2: has come up a few times when it comes to
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Speaker 2: like relationships. People will take someone you know home for
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Speaker 2: the family to meet and they've not even really in
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Speaker 2: a relationship where they've only gotten in the relationship starts
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Speaker 2: getting into the career stuff. Things start to get a
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Speaker 2: little murky. It depends on the family outing and your
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Speaker 2: feelings on the white lie in general, and how white
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Speaker 2: the lie is. Are you really is it worth it?
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Speaker 2: Is it really worth it? But I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you're just tired of the questions and maybe you could
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Speaker 2: justify it. So I'm not advocating for it. I'm just
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Speaker 2: saying that I could see where some people could try
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Speaker 2: to justify it. So there's that. That'll do it for
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