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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And the Investigation Into Cold Cases · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we've talked about this already before, but I've
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  Speaker 1: seen several headlines in the last couple of days discussing
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  Speaker 1: it again, so I figured we jump back in and
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  Speaker 1: add another episode to the catalog dealing with Brian Cohberger
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  Speaker 1: and the fact that he might be responsible for other
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  Speaker 1: crimes elsewhere. Now, there is no concrete evidence one way
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  Speaker 1: or the other to support that, and as of now,
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  Speaker 1: he's just being investigated for potentially being involved. Previously, we've
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  Speaker 1: talked about this in Pennsylvania, so I was a little
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  Speaker 1: confused when I saw the headlines. But here we are.
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  Speaker 1: So since it's the headline making its way through the
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  Speaker 1: news cycle, we'll pick right back up where we left off,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, and talk a little bit more about Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coberger and the fact that he might be responsible for
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  Speaker 1: some other murders. Today's article is from newsweek headline Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coberger investigated over other homicides. This article was authored by
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  Speaker 1: James Bickerton, and it was back in February when we
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  Speaker 1: were first talking about the information that came to light
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  Speaker 1: about prosecutors in Pennsylvania who were investigating cold cases in
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  Speaker 1: possible relation to Brian Coberger, and back then we heard
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  Speaker 1: those prosecutors tell us that as of that time, they
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  Speaker 1: had made no connections. So let's see if anything is changed.
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  Speaker 1: Police in Pennsylvania are investigating Brian Cooberger over potential involvement
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  Speaker 1: in other outstanding homicides. According to a NewsNation report, Colberger
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  Speaker 1: has been charged with four counts of first degree murder
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  Speaker 1: along with one felony burglary after four University of Idaho
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  Speaker 1: students were stabbed to death by an intruder in the
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  Speaker 1: college town of Moscow, Madison. Mogen, Kaylee Gonsalvis, Xana Kernodle,
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  Speaker 1: and Ethan Chapin were killed with a knight in a
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  Speaker 1: shared student house in the early hours of November thirteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Two other female students who were also in the house
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  Speaker 1: when it was attacked were not harmed. Mogan, gonsalvis, In,
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  Speaker 1: Kernodle all lived in the property, while Chapin was staying
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  Speaker 1: with Kernodle, his girlfriend when the attack occurred. Well, that's
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  Speaker 1: not completely true. Kaylee had moved out already, remember, and
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  Speaker 1: she was just there for the weekend to show her
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  Speaker 1: best friend Maddie her new car, while Coburger has yet
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  Speaker 1: to enter a plea. In January, shortly after his arrest,
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  Speaker 1: his Pennsylvania public defender said he was eager to be exonerated.
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  Speaker 1: If confirmed that authorities are investigating Coburger over other unsolved murders,
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  Speaker 1: the case against him could expand significantly, though this has
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  Speaker 1: not been officially announced. And here's where I'm having some
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  Speaker 1: confusion with the next paragraph. The news that police were
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  Speaker 1: investigating Coburger's possible role in other was broken by News
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  Speaker 1: Nation on Wednesday, with presenter Chris Cuomo saying, tonight, I
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  Speaker 1: can report to you exclusively that authorities in Pennsylvania, where
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  Speaker 1: he was arrested, are investigating potential involvement in other outstanding homicides.
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  Speaker 1: The only problem with that is this isn't breaking news.
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  Speaker 1: We've already talked about this previously, so I was wondering
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  Speaker 1: if anything new was here, and it doesn't look like
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  Speaker 1: anything new has popped up. So I don't know where
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  Speaker 1: they're getting the idea that Chris Cuomo is breaking this,
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  Speaker 1: But I'm looking at an article from February eighth of
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  Speaker 1: this year talking about the same thing, that Pennsylvania police
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  Speaker 1: are sifting through cold cases for possible links to Brian Coberger.
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  Speaker 1: We heard from the Northampton County District and the Lehigh
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  Speaker 1: County prosecutor who told us there were no connections. But
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  Speaker 1: I guess that's what passes for breaking news. Over on
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  Speaker 1: the Chris Cuomo Show, the news was confirmed by Mark Garrett,
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  Speaker 1: a trial attorney, who told Cuomo, yes, I have heard
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  Speaker 1: similar and not just in this case, but virtually every
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  Speaker 1: high profile case that is a circumstantial evidence murder case.
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  Speaker 1: You will almost inevitably hear of other unsolved murders and
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  Speaker 1: law enforcement looks to see if they can link whoever
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  Speaker 1: the suspect is. So no breaking news here, folks, just
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  Speaker 1: the same stuff we've talked about. Oh, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: two months ago. Asked why this would be, Garaghos replied, well,
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  Speaker 1: for one thing, I suppose it fills a vacuum. Why
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  Speaker 1: did somebody do this when you don't have a motive
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  Speaker 1: That is the most obvious explanation. And also the cynic
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  Speaker 1: in me, the defense lawyer in me, suspects it's a
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  Speaker 1: way to dirty somebody up. Cuomo replied that authorities don't
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  Speaker 1: need the smir Coburger, before asking retired FBI agent Jennifer Coffendaffer,
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  Speaker 1: what sort of things the police would be looking for. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I doubt they're looking to smear Brian Coberger at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard some pretty gruesome stuff about the dude,
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  Speaker 1: and I think the circumstantial evidence and the evidence that's
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  Speaker 1: been piled on since then speaks for itself. Nobody needs
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  Speaker 1: to go out and wage a campaign against Brian Coberger.
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  Speaker 1: His actions have done that for him. She said, Well, specifically,
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  Speaker 1: if they have a case which fits the modus operendi
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  Speaker 1: that matches what happened in Idaho, for instance, is the
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  Speaker 1: target a young, beautiful co ed was the weapon of choice,
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  Speaker 1: A knife was the arrival and departure of the individual
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  Speaker 1: in a vehicle as opposed to being dropped off or
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  Speaker 1: by foot. Was the time chosen at this three o'clock
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  Speaker 1: to four o'clock timeframe. All of that fits for what
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  Speaker 1: happened up in Oregon with the Jutans. But remember they've
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  Speaker 1: ruled that out. So why is it that they're looking
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  Speaker 1: at cold cases in Pennsylvania but not up in Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: I just can't shake the feeling that Coburger has something
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  Speaker 1: to do with that. Now, do I have any evidence
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  Speaker 1: to offer you to back that up. I do not.
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  Speaker 1: That's just a gut feeling of mind. But the MO
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  Speaker 1: matches up almost perfectly. The probable cause Affidavid used to
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  Speaker 1: justify Coburger's arrest said phone records indicated he had been
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  Speaker 1: near the Moscow house on at least twelve occasions prior
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  Speaker 1: to the murders, and that DNA link to him was
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  Speaker 1: recovered from a knife sheath found near the scene. Police
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  Speaker 1: have issued search warrants to Google, TikTok and dating app Tender,
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  Speaker 1: requesting information on three of the victims going back to
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  Speaker 1: January twenty twenty one. It's not just three victims, it's
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  Speaker 1: all four victims plus a bunch of redacted names. And
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  Speaker 1: you see, this is why we go through those court documents.
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  Speaker 1: I know that the court documents aren't as fun as
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  Speaker 1: these updates that we do, but I find that they're
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  Speaker 1: crucial for us to know what's going on. We can't
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  Speaker 1: trust the legacy media to keep us up to date.
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  Speaker 1: We can't trust the legacy media to have their story straight.
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  Speaker 1: They never do. Now that doesn't mean nobody in the
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  Speaker 1: legacy media has their shit together, but the vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of these people in the legacy media are nothing more
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  Speaker 1: than screen reading mouthpieces. So that's why we continue with
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  Speaker 1: the long journey to the top of the mountain when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to the core documents. Also, yesterday News Nation
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  Speaker 1: was reporting that one of the victim's IDs was found
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  Speaker 1: in the possession of Brian Coberger. So let's dive into
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  Speaker 1: this article from News Nation and let's see what's up.
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  Speaker 1: Headline sources ID from Idaho killings found in coburger home searches. Well,
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  Speaker 1: that's significant. If that's for real and that's not just
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  Speaker 1: a rumor. If that's actual fact, then Brian Coberger's cooked,
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  Speaker 1: and all of the people over on the Brian Coberger
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  Speaker 1: read it for him, they're all going to be pretty depressed.
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  Speaker 1: This article was authored by Chris Cuomo and Tyler Warnell,
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  Speaker 1: and idconnected to someone from the quadruple homicide Moscow, Idaho,
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  Speaker 1: was found during one of the searches of Brian Colberger's residences.
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  Speaker 1: News Nation has exclusively learned. Police also believe they have
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  Speaker 1: evidence connecting Coburger to alleged cyber stocking of someone from
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  Speaker 1: the Moscow residence where four University of Idaho students were
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  Speaker 1: killed in November. Police arrested Coburger in Pennsylvania at his
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  Speaker 1: parents' home roughly six weeks after the fatal stabbings. Court
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  Speaker 1: documents have revealed police used DNA left on the knife
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  Speaker 1: sheath at the scene to link him to the crime.
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  Speaker 1: So that's pretty damning stuff, folks. If this turns out
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  Speaker 1: to be true and they did find the ID, the
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  Speaker 1: party's over. How else would he come into possession of
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  Speaker 1: that ID. And then if they do find that ID
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  Speaker 1: on him, or if they did find it on him,
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  Speaker 1: all of that circumstantial evidence that all of these contrarians
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  Speaker 1: want to tell you doesn't matter, Oh boy, does it
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  Speaker 1: loom large. Then you see all of these people out
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  Speaker 1: here who were talking about Coburger being innocent or how
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  Speaker 1: the affid David doesn't add up. They don't know what
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  Speaker 1: else the government has. And let me tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: the government never shows up with all of their evidence.
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  Speaker 1: They always have some stuff in reserve. They're gonna wait
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  Speaker 1: for discovery to drop everything on Brian Coburger, and with
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  Speaker 1: a gag order, we're not even gonna know what comes
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  Speaker 1: up in that discovery until we get into a courtroom. So,
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  Speaker 1: if this is indeed true, Coburger certainly already knows that
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  Speaker 1: the government knows that the ID was found. A search
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  Speaker 1: warrant unsealed earlier this year revealed police seised IDs from
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  Speaker 1: Coburger's car, but it did not specify to whom they belonged.
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  Speaker 1: Remember in the AFFID David. In the search warrant, they
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  Speaker 1: had the listings of the things they took and it
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  Speaker 1: was IDs in like a SoC or something like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's a big deal. That is a smoking license. Retired
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  Speaker 1: FBI agent Jennifer Kofendaffer said Thursday, Cuomo, just like the
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  Speaker 1: sheath was a smoking sheath found next to Maddie with
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  Speaker 1: his DNA on that clasp. It's the same thing in
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  Speaker 1: this situation. Why would he have an ID related to
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  Speaker 1: one of those people from that house. That is a
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  Speaker 1: good question, and it's on point. There's no way to
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  Speaker 1: excuse that or explain it. The bodies of Xana kernodle
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  Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalbez were found November
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  Speaker 1: thirteenth inside the off campus rental house they lived in.
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  Speaker 1: All were stabbed to death. In addition to the DNA
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  Speaker 1: found on the knife sheath, police say cell phone tower
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  Speaker 1: data puts Coburger near the scene of the crime immediately
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  Speaker 1: after the killings. Police have not yet recovered the murder weapon.
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  Speaker 1: Police would not officially confirm the details of the license
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  Speaker 1: due to a gag order in the case, but high
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  Speaker 1: profile trial attorney Mark Garrigo said it would be a
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  Speaker 1: hurdle for the defense if presented in court. Yeah, no, shit,
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  Speaker 1: like a five hundred foot hurdle. How are you going
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  Speaker 1: to jump over that one? How are you going to
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  Speaker 1: explain that you have the ID of a dead person
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  Speaker 1: with all of the other evidence that's been compiled against you.
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  Speaker 1: So if this is indeed true, then the party's over
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  Speaker 1: for Coburger, And it's not a matter of if the
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  Speaker 1: conviction's coming, it's just a matter of when. All right, folks,
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  Speaker 1: that's going to do it for this one. All of
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  Speaker 1: the information that goes with the episode can be found
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  Speaker 1: in the description box.