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'Monster' killers - The murders of Laura Wallen & Holly Bobo · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace on Serious x M Triumph Channel one thirty two.
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Speaker 1: Montgomery County police have searched Laura Wallon's condo looking for clues.
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Speaker 1: Wallon didn't show up to teach her a social studies
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Speaker 1: class on Tuesday, the first day of school at wald
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Speaker 1: Leg High. The missing teacher's father and sister says she
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Speaker 1: was four months pregnant. She was a woman of faith
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Speaker 1: and right now she is in the arms of God.
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Speaker 1: Her body has now been recovered. Tyler Tessier, Mrs Wallon's boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: was arrested for her murder. In addition to having me
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Speaker 1: having this Wallon as a girlfriend, he was engaged to
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Speaker 1: another one. Key lied to my face when I asked
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Speaker 1: him about the other girl and said, I haven't seen
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Speaker 1: her in two years. I haven't talked to her in
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Speaker 1: two years, and I believed him. He's a very believable guy.
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Speaker 1: Teacher of the year, Teacher of the year, four months pregnant,
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Speaker 1: sound dead and a shallow grave in a remote field. Why,
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Speaker 1: why odds are she thought she was about to be
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Speaker 1: proposed to. She had just sent her sister a text
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Speaker 1: saying Tyler has taken me on an adventure. We're out
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Speaker 1: in a field. What could it be? It was a
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Speaker 1: burial ground, That's what it was. No ring involved. I'm
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. This is crime stories and I want justice.
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Speaker 1: I am talking about a thirty one year old woman,
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Speaker 1: four months pregnant with the baby of Tyler Tessier. She
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Speaker 1: is dead now. Her autopsy is ongoing. Why I believe
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Speaker 1: because they are trying to determine the age of the
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Speaker 1: baby Catch twenty two. In many countries around the world,
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Speaker 1: viability for a baby starts at just fourteen weeks. Fourteen
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Speaker 1: weeks in the United States, typically it's twenty weeks twenty
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Speaker 1: weeks for viability. Why is this important Because if that
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Speaker 1: baby was viable at the time the teacher of the
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Speaker 1: Year is shot in the back of the head, then
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Speaker 1: that's a double murder. Okay, that's what's taking so long
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Speaker 1: on the autopsy. Was the baby viable? Joining me right
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Speaker 1: now an all star cast with me Crime Online reporter
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan, who's been doing a lot of digging on
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Speaker 1: this case. The director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl McCullum,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst Dr Bethany Marshall joining me from l A. Ladies,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know, when I
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Speaker 1: hear what has gone down, I'm literally sick at my stomach.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum sick. Tyler's taking me on an adventure. That's
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Speaker 1: some adventure. Huh. Oh my god, Nancy, it is horrifying
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Speaker 1: for her to sit there and tech I'm waiting in
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Speaker 1: this field, waiting, and then he comes from behind her
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Speaker 1: calculated and shoots her in the back of the head.
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Speaker 1: It is a death sin of the case as far
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Speaker 1: as I'm concerned. Well, here's the deal. It's Maryland. In Maryland,
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Speaker 1: the governor and all of his wisdom got rid of
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Speaker 1: the death penalty and commuted everybody on death row to
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Speaker 1: life behind bars. You can kill as many people as
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Speaker 1: you want to in Maryland and just get life behind bars.
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Speaker 1: In fact, what brought that to my attention was when
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Speaker 1: three little girls were stabbed dead in Maryland, all under
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Speaker 1: the age of ten. Uh huh, and there's no death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Three little girls stab dad. I want to go back
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Speaker 1: to something we were just saying, Cheryl Um when I
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Speaker 1: first learned through our sources that there was no visible
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Speaker 1: trauma to the body, they didn't know the cause of death.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, okay, I did not expect him to
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Speaker 1: asphyxiate her in an open field. He didn't. We now
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Speaker 1: have information she was shot once in the back of
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Speaker 1: the head. And I'm gonna go to Bethany on this
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Speaker 1: in just a moment, because Cheryl, no way could he
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Speaker 1: look her in the face and strangle her. No way
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Speaker 1: shot her in the back of the head like the coward.
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Speaker 1: He is punk and that's exactly right, Nancy. He could
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Speaker 1: not face them, he couldn't, So let me go to
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Speaker 1: Lee Egan. Um, I wanna We were starting with a
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Speaker 1: dead body of the teacher of the Year and I'm
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Speaker 1: sick about it. And her family is sick about her family,
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Speaker 1: her mom and dad that sat there giving a press or,
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Speaker 1: holding the boyfriend, Tyler Tessier's hand, patting him on the shoulder,
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Speaker 1: they knew at the time they did that press or
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Speaker 1: that he was a suspect. Lee Egan, they did know,
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Speaker 1: and they did not like it. He had a bond
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Speaker 1: hearing yesterday morning, and Mark Wallen, Laura's father, spoke at
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Speaker 1: the bond hearing and said, he's a monster, a liar,
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Speaker 1: and it took everything he had just to play that role.
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Speaker 1: And he knew that he had to do it to
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Speaker 1: to get Tyler to talk, which is what the police
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Speaker 1: wanted him to do, to see what he had to say,
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Speaker 1: to see if he he slipped up, watch his body language,
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Speaker 1: the words he said. And it was just extremely difficult
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Speaker 1: for the family to do. The mother, she was shaking
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Speaker 1: so much while holding his hand that she couldn't move.
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Speaker 1: She just sat on that bench, she couldn't talk. Um.
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Speaker 1: It was just extremely difficult for for the family. Following
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Speaker 1: up on what Lee and has just reported, listen to
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Speaker 1: what Laura Walla's dad said about that press or the
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Speaker 1: press conference that we did the other day was a
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Speaker 1: press conference to get out the baby, a picture and
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Speaker 1: the name of the baby daddy. And it was all
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Speaker 1: we could do two be seen as a unified family
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Speaker 1: with him. He is a monster, and he is a liar,
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Speaker 1: and it is It was absolutely the hardest thing that
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Speaker 1: my wife could do would be to sit next to
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Speaker 1: him and hold his hand, and she had to hold
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Speaker 1: his hand with two hands because she was shaking so badly.
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Speaker 1: And but we did it because as any father would
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Speaker 1: do if your child is missing and someone has that child.
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Speaker 1: We were pretty sure it was Tyler, but we didn't
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Speaker 1: know where she was. And you can't put somebody away
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Speaker 1: on a missing person. Someone doesn't go to prison for
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Speaker 1: life on a missing person. And he it's it defies
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Speaker 1: description the the awfulness and the horror that we have
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Speaker 1: been put through on this. We've all been deceived through
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Speaker 1: days your family, most computely, did you feel as though
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Speaker 1: you were being deceived? Really a fine views have been
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Speaker 1: anyway he is. He has been deceiving and lying their
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Speaker 1: entire existence, and it their their relationship was the only
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Speaker 1: thing that Laura and her family ever fought about. Laura
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Speaker 1: is a wonderful girl, so bright, of such a bright future.
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Speaker 1: And he he lied to my face when I asked
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Speaker 1: him about the other the other girl, and said, I
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Speaker 1: haven't seen her in two years. I haven't talked to
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Speaker 1: her in two years. And I believed her. I believed him.
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Speaker 1: He's a very believable guy. To Dr Bethany Marshall, Dr Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about the psychopathy behind this.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that she, Laura
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Speaker 1: Wallen was saying, Oh, Tyler has brought me on an adventure.
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Speaker 1: That some adventure, Bethany, some adventure. What I kept thinking
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Speaker 1: about was the hopeful anticipation she had. You know, they
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Speaker 1: had been together for ten years. They didn't live together
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Speaker 1: as far as I know. She was four months prey meant,
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Speaker 1: and I imagine that she thought that finally, finally they
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Speaker 1: would be engaged, finally he would move in with her,
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Speaker 1: finally they would have a life together. And four months pregnant.
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Speaker 1: I mean that she's beginning to show it's about the
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Speaker 1: time you start shopping for the crib and and thinking
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Speaker 1: about the life of the unborn child of future together.
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Speaker 1: And so this is the moment in her mind where
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Speaker 1: she thinks he's going to propose. But in terms of
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Speaker 1: the psychopathy, what we know about sociopaths is that they
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Speaker 1: cannot attach. They have low levels of empathy and remorse.
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Speaker 1: They have reckless disregard and lack of concerns for the
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Speaker 1: right and safety of others. That they are homicidal. They
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Speaker 1: played by their own rules rather than the rules of society.
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Speaker 1: And on brain imaging scans, if you look at the
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Speaker 1: brain scans of sociopaths, the part of the brain that
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Speaker 1: lights up when looking at other people and having empathy
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Speaker 1: and engaging with other people, that part of the brain
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Speaker 1: is dead. They just do not have empathy and they
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Speaker 1: do not attach. However, they don't want to let other
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Speaker 1: people down. They are very concerned about their own self image.
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Speaker 1: So I think it's significant that he shot her in
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Speaker 1: the back of the head. Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: Dr bethany Um. Now I'm certainly no psychoanalysts like you are.
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Speaker 1: I'm just to try a lawyer and a crime victim,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. When Dr Bethany says they don't want to
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Speaker 1: let people down, I don't think he gave it a
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Speaker 1: flying fig about letting anybody else down or their feelings.
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Speaker 1: I think he just wanted to keep all the balls
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Speaker 1: into the air for his own amusement. He had two women,
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Speaker 1: one he was engaged to and living with the other
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Speaker 1: one is four months pregnant, and reports that he had
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Speaker 1: gone to Laura Walla's father and asked for her hand
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Speaker 1: in marriage. She's the one that's four months pregnant. He
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Speaker 1: wanted to keep playing, keep both of these women on
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Speaker 1: the line. That's why he hadn't settled down after or
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Speaker 1: ten years. Now, Listen, I certainly don't have a leg
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Speaker 1: to stand on because it was many, many years after
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Speaker 1: case murderer before I finally finally could bring myself to
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Speaker 1: try to marry again. But I don't think it was
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Speaker 1: any sentimentality on his part that kept him from wanting
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Speaker 1: to get married. I mean, the woman is four months pregnant. Now,
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Speaker 1: if that ain't the time to poop, then I don't know,
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Speaker 1: you better just get off the pot. But what I'm
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Speaker 1: saying here is think about it? Is it true, Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 1: He said he didn't have a cell phone? My how
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Speaker 1: convenient that way Laura Wallan couldn't face time and and
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Speaker 1: see that he wasn't at work and see that he
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Speaker 1: was at somebody else's place. That's convenient, right, no cell phone?
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Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? It's convenient? And he also didn't
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Speaker 1: need the phone pinging to where he went to bury
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Speaker 1: your body, and he used her cell phones to send
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Speaker 1: the text messages as though it were her and look
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Speaker 1: at his own word as the nancy. They go to
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Speaker 1: the store together on September two, he kills her on
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Speaker 1: September one. September four, he sends a text message as
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Speaker 1: though he were the victim to our sister that says, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm like sure that Tyler is not the
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Speaker 1: baby's dad. Um, I think it's my egg boyfriend. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what a piece of crap this guy is. Then he's
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Speaker 1: still trying to get himself out of trouble with the
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Speaker 1: other fiancee. He doesn't want anybody to say that baby
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Speaker 1: is his. And incidentally, she hadn't seen the egg boy
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Speaker 1: friend in two years, so that'd be quite a trick
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Speaker 1: paller piece of crap. You know, I want to go
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Speaker 1: through what we know about Tyler Tessier, Cheryl McCollum at
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Speaker 1: this point, let me hear what you and Lee know.
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Speaker 1: Then we'll get Bethany Marshall to shrink at Go ahead, Cheryl.
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Speaker 1: We know he has two women. We know he doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a job. We know he's got three places that
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Speaker 1: he stays occasionally to sleep. So it's like he does
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Speaker 1: have any responsibilities like a real adult. He's not going
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Speaker 1: to take care of this baby. He ain't worried about
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Speaker 1: a boral one k or retirement. He doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: mortgage in a house he's taken care of. He damned sure.
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Speaker 1: He ain't gonna try to take care of a job
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Speaker 1: for the next eighteen years. So, Lee Egan, how does
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Speaker 1: that play into the facts as we know them regarding
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Speaker 1: the murder? For one thing, without a steady home, you know,
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Speaker 1: nobody could drive by and see what he was doing. Um.
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Speaker 1: I I understand Lee, that he was living in three
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Speaker 1: different places. I don't know where that third place is. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure either that that has been reported though
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Speaker 1: that there was he was living with the fiance we're
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Speaker 1: not sure who she is yet. And then he was
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Speaker 1: living on and off with Laura, and then there was
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Speaker 1: a third place. I don't know if that was a
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Speaker 1: third woman, a friend, or what, but reports are saying
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Speaker 1: that he was kind of hopping around from three different places.
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Speaker 1: And I guess, since I don't know how, Laura didn't
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Speaker 1: know where his other home was, but she didn't know
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Speaker 1: about that he was engaged to this other woman. She
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Speaker 1: had no idea too until I believe August or so,
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Speaker 1: and that's when she sent this other woman a text
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Speaker 1: message wanting to meet with her. So I don't know
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Speaker 1: how she didn't know where he was living when he
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Speaker 1: wasn't with her, but obviously it was what with you know,
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Speaker 1: the other woman. You know also Dr Bethany A lot
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Speaker 1: of times, you you believe, you think what you want
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Speaker 1: to think. If he said, um, going, I'm going home
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Speaker 1: to mom and Dad's, you know, don't call it too
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Speaker 1: late to wake him up, Um, I'll see you tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: and he didn't have a cell phone, doesn't have a
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Speaker 1: cell phone, so you know what she's supposed to do
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Speaker 1: track him down to his parents house and drive by
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Speaker 1: like she's sixteen years old and look in the window.
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Speaker 1: You know, Nancy, what a deadbeat. He didn't even have
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Speaker 1: a cell phone. And my understanding is that he didn't
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Speaker 1: even have a job at this point when the crime
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Speaker 1: was committed. So this guy had a lot of time
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Speaker 1: on his hands to do whatever he wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: You know, when I think of sociopathy, I think of
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Speaker 1: it as a more intense form of narcissism. It's all
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Speaker 1: the same features of a narcissist, but a more intense version,
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Speaker 1: Like a narcissist will lack empathy, as sociopath will be callous.
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Speaker 1: A narcissist will take advantage of other people. Um associate
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Speaker 1: path will have a parasitic lifestyle and live off of
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Speaker 1: other people. So I think that what was happening is
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Speaker 1: that the multiple women and bouncing around from house to house,
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Speaker 1: it was not just for the sexual gratification and the
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Speaker 1: excitement of having two women, and who knows, he may
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Speaker 1: have had even more than two. But but I think
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Speaker 1: of it as as a part of a parasitic lifestyle
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Speaker 1: living off of other people. Um, So he didn't have
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Speaker 1: a job, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that
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Speaker 1: both women were supporting him. Financially and more in heaven.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is okay, he's certainly not a catch.
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Speaker 1: Let's just put it that way, all right. He's not
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Speaker 1: gonna be he's not gonna be um nominated for the
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Speaker 1: Bachelor Show. But beyond that, I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what either of them saw in him, but what it
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Speaker 1: has ended up in is the murder of this beautiful girl.
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Speaker 1: And I know I said it yesterday. I just keep
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Speaker 1: thinking about, um, the one student and y'all are gonna
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Speaker 1: kill me. But I'm gonna tell a story again. So
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Speaker 1: the twins had to read a story. A book, another book.
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Speaker 1: This one is realistic fiction. Lucy always picks these incredibly
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Speaker 1: sad books, like one the mother dies in the end. Uh,
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Speaker 1: this one the teacher dies in the end. I don't
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Speaker 1: know how she does it. I call her Wednesday Adams
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Speaker 1: right to her face. But um, she picked this book
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Speaker 1: called Mrs Bigsby's Last Day and it's about this awesome,
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Speaker 1: incredible teacher with one strand of pink hair that is
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Speaker 1: just really affects these these middle schoolers lives and she
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Speaker 1: gets cancer, and the big finale is the three boys
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Speaker 1: try to cut school and get across town on a
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Speaker 1: bus to give her the perfect day. That one day
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Speaker 1: sometimes in school, she described, and it was sitting on
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Speaker 1: the side of a hill looking at the sky, having
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Speaker 1: a glass of wine and eating her favorite cheese raspberry
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Speaker 1: cheesecake from Michelle's is French Bakery. So they cut school.
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Speaker 1: They catch all this series of busses. They try to
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Speaker 1: buy wine under age, and the guy that agrees to
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Speaker 1: do it steals their money and buys Jack Daniels and
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Speaker 1: runs away from them. They catch him later, attack and
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Speaker 1: get the Jack Daniels. They end up getting her out
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Speaker 1: of intensive care, taking her outside and sitting there having
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Speaker 1: she has a sip of Jack Daniels, you know, and
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Speaker 1: the kate got smushed in the knapsack, but they have
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Speaker 1: that moment that they tried to recreate for her. And
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Speaker 1: then I read about this woman Laura. I think I
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Speaker 1: might actually tear up Laura Wallen. And one student said
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Speaker 1: that he was down and out and he was talking
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Speaker 1: about skateboarding. She showed up that weekend. This is not
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Speaker 1: Miss Bixby. This is the real Laura Wallon who's dead now.
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Speaker 1: She showed up at his door with her skateboard and
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Speaker 1: they go skateboarding in front of his house. I read.
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Speaker 1: Another student said that she paid as much attention to
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Speaker 1: people that obviously needed help as to those who are
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Speaker 1: really quiet, like my little girl, Lucy super quiet, John David,
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Speaker 1: very gregarious, he's the mayor of the school. She would
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Speaker 1: pay attention to those quiet students too, and once do
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Speaker 1: it insists that I'm being called o G, original gangster.
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Speaker 1: And so she called the little girl o G the
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Speaker 1: whole year, just to make her happy. And she would
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Speaker 1: go up to students and say, give me up what
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Speaker 1: a jellyfish hug. I don't know what that is, but
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Speaker 1: that was her thing. And she would open her arms
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Speaker 1: up in wiggle her arms. That's who Laura Walla is.
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Speaker 1: that press conference from the State Attorney Listen Tyler Lewis
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Speaker 1: Lewis Tessier, age thirty two of Damascus Up has been
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Speaker 1: charged and three charges, including the first degree murder of
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Speaker 1: Laura Wallen, age thirty one, a magnificent teacher from wild
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Speaker 1: Like High School in uh Howard County, UH. In addition
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Speaker 1: to the murder charge, which carries a maximum sentence of
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Speaker 1: life without the possibility of parole, the defendants charged with
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Speaker 1: altering evidence. If you read the charging document it was
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Speaker 1: distributed to you in court, you will see their work.
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Speaker 1: Various actions or activities taken by UH by the defendant
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Speaker 1: Mr Tessier Uh in the days after he murdered Miss
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Speaker 1: Wallen UH aging the evidence, moving her car, taking a
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Speaker 1: tag off of her car, throwing keys or license away.
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Speaker 1: He did tamper with the evidence. Is all contained within
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Speaker 1: the charging document. He also did and as as as
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Speaker 1: Donna Fenton mentioned in court, he did give a series
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Speaker 1: of statements to the police, essentially none of which were
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Speaker 1: consistent with the others. I think miss Fenton characterized his
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Speaker 1: statements as containing hundreds of lies that the police could
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Speaker 1: prove based on their inconsistency with his other statements were
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Speaker 1: other investigative efforts, UH that were made by the police
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Speaker 1: that showed that what he was telling them was not,
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Speaker 1: in fact the truth. Defendant today appeared before these are
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Speaker 1: Zubari Williams, Judge of the District Court for Montgomery County.
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Speaker 1: Judge Williams, at the request of the state, agreed with
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Speaker 1: our request that he'd be held without bond, and the
22:47
Speaker 1: defendant is held without bond, he will remain incarcerated UH
22:51
Speaker 1: pending preliminary hearing date, which is set for October thirteenth
22:55
Speaker 1: of this year. UH. I will tell you, for many
22:58
Speaker 1: of you who are experienced covering these cases, that creliminary
23:01
Speaker 1: hearing date will probably never come to pass, because the
23:04
Speaker 1: reality is we will take action bringing this matter to
23:07
Speaker 1: the Grand Jury of Montgomery County prior to that date,
23:10
Speaker 1: and the only thing that will happen on October will
23:13
Speaker 1: be the announcement we hope of an indictment of the
23:16
Speaker 1: defendant for what we believe are the appropriate charges at
23:19
Speaker 1: that time. UM. As we know from in court today, UH,
23:24
Speaker 1: the defendant in this matter was characterized in court and
23:29
Speaker 1: did characterize himself to some as the boyfriend of the deceased,
23:33
Speaker 1: as was mentioned also in court. UH. There was somewhat
23:36
Speaker 1: of a trial triangle of atmosphere surrounding this because the defendant,
23:42
Speaker 1: in addition to have me having Miss Walland as a girlfriend,
23:46
Speaker 1: he was engaged to another woman. I think that he was.
23:50
Speaker 1: It was clear. I think from what was said in
23:52
Speaker 1: court he was not honest with either of the women
23:55
Speaker 1: regarding the true nature of the relationship with with the other. UH.
24:00
Speaker 1: The family was president in court. We've had constant communication
24:04
Speaker 1: members of my office, Miss Herdman and Miss Fenton have
24:06
Speaker 1: been working around the clock on this matter. I will
24:09
Speaker 1: tell you UH. The autopsy and as matter is still pending,
24:13
Speaker 1: UH mr is not done. We don't not do not
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Speaker 1: have the results of that as of yet. UM. As
24:19
Speaker 1: you know, the body of Miss Wong was recovered in
24:22
Speaker 1: a field UM up in Damascus, Maryland. UH. Again, I
24:27
Speaker 1: want to salute the Morcomery County Police Department of the
24:29
Speaker 1: Homicide Division. I think that the marvelous job following this case,
24:34
Speaker 1: UH repeatedly interviewing the defendant, challenging him on his inconsistencies,
24:38
Speaker 1: and then using the forensics, they use cell phone records
24:42
Speaker 1: to show that he was repeatedly, night after night after night,
24:45
Speaker 1: going back to the same field. That is the field
24:47
Speaker 1: where Ms. Wallen's body was in fact recovered. Now that
24:52
Speaker 1: was the States attorney talking about the so called other woman.
24:57
Speaker 1: But frankly, you know, and I do not like a
25:00
Speaker 1: another woman. But um oh, that reminds me. Okay, is
25:05
Speaker 1: everybody sitting down, you better lay down for this one. Okay.
25:09
Speaker 1: So at my little Methodist church that I go to,
25:12
Speaker 1: there is a guy that's got to be he's got
25:15
Speaker 1: to be eighty seven years old, and he got a
25:17
Speaker 1: young wife. She's about eighty one. And I love her
25:21
Speaker 1: because she's always dressed to the nines every time, you know,
25:24
Speaker 1: I see her like with a hat, the whole shebang.
25:27
Speaker 1: So I was in this Bible study and this old
25:32
Speaker 1: gentleman was in it with me, and I used to
25:33
Speaker 1: fight with him all the time because he would actually
25:35
Speaker 1: suggest that Christ didn't happen. Okay, So we get into
25:40
Speaker 1: and why is he im Bible study for a pieces?
25:42
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a better person, everybody, you know,
25:44
Speaker 1: I need it. I need it. Okay, I need the help,
25:48
Speaker 1: all the helping get and so I spend the whole
25:50
Speaker 1: hour fighting with him during disciple study. Anyway, long story short,
25:54
Speaker 1: because I fought with him so much, I felt that
25:56
Speaker 1: I had to be really friendly to him to show
25:59
Speaker 1: in that no hard feelings. When I would see him,
26:01
Speaker 1: I'd go up and say hello, good morning, and hug
26:04
Speaker 1: and you know when I would see him, well, anyway,
26:06
Speaker 1: he actually wrote my assistant and asked me because his
26:10
Speaker 1: wife was jealous for me not to be so exuberant
26:13
Speaker 1: and saying hello to him. I'm like, Oh, dear Lord
26:16
Speaker 1: in Heaven, I'm the other woman in this scenario. I'm like,
26:22
Speaker 1: so anyway, I have now been you know, brand did
26:27
Speaker 1: as the big hussy, all right. Needless to say, when
26:31
Speaker 1: I see those two come in, I run the other
26:34
Speaker 1: way from it. So that's my big story. But what
26:39
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm trying to say is I really don't
26:41
Speaker 1: think either one of these ladies or the other woman.
26:44
Speaker 1: I don't think that existed in this scenario. One of
26:47
Speaker 1: him he's living with, he's engaged to, the other one
26:49
Speaker 1: he's about to have a baby with. I mean, you
26:53
Speaker 1: know what else broke my heart Cheryl McCullum the neighbor.
26:56
Speaker 1: Her neighbor said that he's known her for years. She
27:00
Speaker 1: must have lived on top of his apartment because she
27:04
Speaker 1: liked to bead and make jewelry, and she'd sit outside
27:07
Speaker 1: on her patio and beads would fall through I guess
27:10
Speaker 1: the patio, and she would always be scurrying down there
27:13
Speaker 1: to get the beads that have fallen down on his patio.
27:17
Speaker 1: And he said that all these boxes had started arriving
27:21
Speaker 1: from bed bath and beyond and other places. You know,
27:23
Speaker 1: it's for the baby, Cheryl. Of course, the whole thing
27:28
Speaker 1: is so heartbreaking, you know. And again, I know we've
27:31
Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseam, but he said gaping hole.
27:35
Speaker 1: And then he takes as another friend and says, hey,
27:38
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a ride to Baltimore. Um, I gotta
27:41
Speaker 1: clean up a meth. He's telling you again, this was messy,
27:47
Speaker 1: this was awful, and he's asking for help. And on
27:51
Speaker 1: top all of it, you're gonna be too lazy to
27:53
Speaker 1: dig the hole yourself. It's pathetic. The whole thing is now,
27:57
Speaker 1: you did say that at the very beginning before where
28:00
Speaker 1: he was even a suspect, when we the three of
28:02
Speaker 1: us were talking. You said it disturbed you, Cheryl McCollum,
28:05
Speaker 1: the director of the Cold Case Institute, that when he
28:09
Speaker 1: said it's left a gaping hole in our lives. Right
28:14
Speaker 1: immediately you said, okay, right there. And this is when
28:18
Speaker 1: later it came out that there was no obvious trauma
28:20
Speaker 1: or in the back of the head as she was
28:22
Speaker 1: lying face up, that maybe they didn't see it. Um.
28:26
Speaker 1: But almost immediately, Cheryl, you said his phraseology of gaping
28:32
Speaker 1: hole disturbed you, and you were right. She was shot
28:34
Speaker 1: in the back of the head. Now, guys, you all
28:38
Speaker 1: know what a big turn of events it was when
28:40
Speaker 1: I got pregnant and had the twins. I mean, nobody
28:44
Speaker 1: loosted on me ever expected that was gonna happen in
28:47
Speaker 1: my life. And Cheryl, do you remember that shower. It
28:52
Speaker 1: was like it was just very simply the event of
28:56
Speaker 1: the season. Okay, just kidding. I mean, we had so
29:01
Speaker 1: many cops and investigators and lawyers, prosecutors. I don't think
29:06
Speaker 1: there are any defense attorneys. Oh there was one, Renee Rockwell.
29:09
Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about that time in life when
29:15
Speaker 1: you're suddenly doing something unexpected and different, wonderful and as
29:21
Speaker 1: it's turned out, Cheryl. I mean, it's been the project
29:24
Speaker 1: of my life. It's the best time ever. It's the
29:29
Speaker 1: It's the greatest love you're ever gonna have. And he
29:33
Speaker 1: robbed her of that tune, Nancy, And I was just
29:35
Speaker 1: thinking about it with those best I mean, those bad
29:37
Speaker 1: Bath and Beyond boxes showing up. You know, there were
29:40
Speaker 1: things for the baby, right of course, that's the greatest
29:44
Speaker 1: shopping ever because you're picking out stuff for your baby,
29:48
Speaker 1: the crib, the theme, everything is going to be soft
29:52
Speaker 1: and precious and wonderful, and you're not doing anything for
29:56
Speaker 1: yourself ever again. And it is the most remarkable selfless
30:00
Speaker 1: path you're ever gonna be on. And he had her
30:03
Speaker 1: standing in a field, thinking they were fixing to do
30:06
Speaker 1: all these wonderful things together, when the reality is who
30:10
Speaker 1: went back and got a weapon, walked back toward her
30:13
Speaker 1: with her back to him because he's such a coward,
30:17
Speaker 1: and shot her in the back of the head. You know,
30:19
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't say, okay, turn around,
30:22
Speaker 1: turn around to get her to turn around, like he
30:24
Speaker 1: was about to give her a ring. You know, another
30:27
Speaker 1: thing that may have brought this to a head, and again,
30:31
Speaker 1: it's certainly not psychoanalytical verbiage. Dr Bethany, I'm sure you're cringing.
30:37
Speaker 1: But the fact that, uh, the victim, Laura Walling, had
30:45
Speaker 1: recently texted the so called other woman and said, hey,
30:51
Speaker 1: I want to meet with you. I'm sure if you're
30:53
Speaker 1: in my position, you'd want answers to This is not
30:56
Speaker 1: a confrontation. I just want to talk to you, woman
30:59
Speaker 1: to woman. I can't believe they were going to actually
31:01
Speaker 1: fight over this guy. I like, you know, here, he's yours.
31:04
Speaker 1: I'll send him to your c O D keep him
31:07
Speaker 1: for peacesache. But you know, obviously the other woman may
31:10
Speaker 1: have told him about this text and you're like, I
31:13
Speaker 1: gotta do something, And this is what he did in
31:16
Speaker 1: the language of Laura's text was so kind. That's that's
31:19
Speaker 1: all I was struck by when I read the text.
31:21
Speaker 1: You know, she said, this is not when she texted
31:24
Speaker 1: the other woman. I I she says something to the effective, Um,
31:28
Speaker 1: I think that you would want answers and this is
31:30
Speaker 1: not a confrontation. This is what a kind person Laura was,
31:36
Speaker 1: you know. And I wouldn't be surprised if the fact
31:40
Speaker 1: that it came to a head is not because he
31:43
Speaker 1: was afraid of the discovery or that the women will
31:46
Speaker 1: get jealous, or that he would lose the fiance's love
31:50
Speaker 1: or affection. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just because
31:53
Speaker 1: he wasn't he was going to lose his paycheck. In
31:56
Speaker 1: other words, maybe the fiance had more money, or the
32:00
Speaker 1: fiance was supporting him in some way, or that's where
32:03
Speaker 1: he was residing, and so that's where the greatest loss
32:06
Speaker 1: would be. To see what I mean, um that it's
32:10
Speaker 1: probably had nothing to do with love or affection. It
32:14
Speaker 1: had to do with where the greatest gratification was. You know.
32:17
Speaker 1: The other thing that I cannot get out of my mind, Nancy,
32:20
Speaker 1: is what the parents must have been thinking over the
32:23
Speaker 1: past ten years. Their daughter has his boyfriend who is
32:27
Speaker 1: a deadbeat. He's works maintenance for landscaping company. He can't
32:33
Speaker 1: even afford his own phone. He's bouncing around from house
32:37
Speaker 1: to house. Their daughter gets pregnant. The father of the
32:42
Speaker 1: baby is not even living with her or providing anything
32:46
Speaker 1: for her. What a heartbreak for those parents. I mean,
32:49
Speaker 1: they've really been suffering for ten years as they've seen
32:53
Speaker 1: their daughter go through this with this guy, and then
32:56
Speaker 1: to have such a horrible outcome. Really through it they have,
33:02
Speaker 1: really And I remember, Cheryl, you lived through a lot
33:05
Speaker 1: of this with me because you met me when I
33:06
Speaker 1: was a Brandy prosecutor after Keith was murdered. Um, my
33:11
Speaker 1: parents stood by for all those years saying, please Mary, David,
33:17
Speaker 1: please please rush now, run to the don't look back.
33:23
Speaker 1: And you know, I just kid, I was too messed
33:25
Speaker 1: up to do anything. And now after this family has
33:28
Speaker 1: been through all this, Cheryl, now, oh, can you imagine
33:33
Speaker 1: what it's like for them to wake up in the morning, Cheryl,
33:36
Speaker 1: I cannot imagine, Nancy. They have lost a daughter, a
33:40
Speaker 1: grand child. And and again they knew this man for
33:45
Speaker 1: ten years for on some level, I'm certain they cared
33:49
Speaker 1: about him too, because she did. So it's it's to me,
33:53
Speaker 1: it's more than devastating. It's more than gut wrenching, heartbreaking.
33:58
Speaker 1: There's no word for it. There is absolutely no word
34:01
Speaker 1: for just the devil had walked through their house. I mean,
34:05
Speaker 1: I don't you know, uh Lee egan right at the
34:08
Speaker 1: get go when I found out it was her thought.
34:11
Speaker 1: Laura's father called the school and said, have you heard
34:16
Speaker 1: from Laura Wallen? And they went No, he thought to ask,
34:20
Speaker 1: did she ask for a sub? This is the first
34:24
Speaker 1: day of school for pizza. You don't not show up
34:25
Speaker 1: on the first day of school. And when it's your dad,
34:28
Speaker 1: when it's your father calling to check up on you,
34:31
Speaker 1: and he thought to ask, is she arranged for a sub?
34:33
Speaker 1: He knew her that? Well, why wasn't it TESTI er,
34:37
Speaker 1: why wasn't her her boyfriend looking for her? That? Right then?
34:42
Speaker 1: I knew you. Okay, this is way wrong, to Lee Egan,
34:47
Speaker 1: reporter Crime Online dot Com. Lee, what about these texts?
34:52
Speaker 1: Two messages? Oh yeah, One more thing I wanted to
34:54
Speaker 1: point out to Dr Bethany to think about is her
34:57
Speaker 1: text didn't just say Tyler has brought me on an
35:00
Speaker 1: adventure with him. She also said he had her quote
35:04
Speaker 1: waiting in a field. I mean, okay, Lee, what about
35:08
Speaker 1: the other texts he sent from her phone? According to police,
35:12
Speaker 1: he sent a text message I think it was Monday.
35:15
Speaker 1: It was either Sunday or Monday UM to her sister
35:18
Speaker 1: saying I'm ninety sure that Tyler is not the father
35:23
Speaker 1: of my baby. And then he penned on a guy
35:27
Speaker 1: that she had not dated in around two years and
35:30
Speaker 1: one of the biggest red flags. Was he misspelled this
35:33
Speaker 1: guy's name and this is somebody that that Laura knew. Well.
35:37
Speaker 1: I saw that immediately. First of all. First of all,
35:42
Speaker 1: as if Laura Wallen is going to be putting it,
35:45
Speaker 1: why don't you just send an omni to everybody she knows?
35:49
Speaker 1: Oh guess what I had the wrong daddy. I'm not
35:52
Speaker 1: totally sure, but maybe my baby is Antoine's and then
35:57
Speaker 1: misspell it. He spelled it a n W a n
36:01
Speaker 1: Antoine instead of a N t O. I n okay e,
36:07
Speaker 1: but I'm like, okay. When I first saw I thought, well,
36:09
Speaker 1: maybe it's one of those people they give a weird
36:12
Speaker 1: spelling to their name, but probably not. This is misspelled.
36:17
Speaker 1: That was my first thought. And then later I saw
36:19
Speaker 1: where Antoine was actually spelled a different way. She had
36:22
Speaker 1: not seen the Antoine person for several years, and I'm
36:27
Speaker 1: sure the sister knew that. Um. And then she's like,
36:33
Speaker 1: if you talked to Tyler, you know, tell him what
36:35
Speaker 1: a great guy he is. I don't want to hurt
36:37
Speaker 1: his feelings. I mean, Bethany helped me, but he has
36:41
Speaker 1: just shot the woman in the head. She's in a
36:44
Speaker 1: shallow grave out in the field and he's writing about
36:47
Speaker 1: himself from her cell phone. Help me, h you notice
36:52
Speaker 1: saying that criminals are stupid. I mean Tyler really exemplified
36:57
Speaker 1: this because not only does he use the deceased girlfriend's
37:02
Speaker 1: cell phone to send text messages to the sister, he
37:06
Speaker 1: doesn't even try to adopt her style of writing. I mean,
37:10
Speaker 1: when the sister receives these text messages, it was very
37:13
Speaker 1: clear to her that this was not Laura's writing style,
37:17
Speaker 1: so it was Tyler's writing style. There were misspellings, it
37:22
Speaker 1: was like an odd quality to the text. I mean,
37:25
Speaker 1: Tyler could not have been more obvious. And when you
37:28
Speaker 1: talk about her, you know, standing in the field, he says,
37:31
Speaker 1: you know, wait here talking about this really low functioning,
37:36
Speaker 1: potentially low i Q. Man who cannot even hold down
37:40
Speaker 1: a job, doesn't support himself. How's to ask for a
37:44
Speaker 1: ride to clean up the mess he's made, doesn't have
37:48
Speaker 1: his own cell phone? And yet Laura, Laura is completely
37:52
Speaker 1: compliant with him when he asks her to stand in
37:56
Speaker 1: the field. And you pointed out that she probably thought
37:59
Speaker 1: that there was going to be a big surprise that
38:00
Speaker 1: he was going to propose to her. Um, Laura text
38:03
Speaker 1: to the sister, you know, Tyler's taking me on an adventure.
38:07
Speaker 1: But my other thought about this is that she's completely
38:10
Speaker 1: under his spell. He is so manipulative that he has
38:15
Speaker 1: really gotten Laura to bend to his will. And I
38:18
Speaker 1: keep pointing out she was probably supporting him, probably doing
38:21
Speaker 1: everything for him, so he was able to just take her,
38:26
Speaker 1: take her to this field and ask her to stand
38:29
Speaker 1: there in the field while he either retrieved the pistol
38:32
Speaker 1: from his pocket or went back to his vehicle and
38:35
Speaker 1: got it. And I think that's really the sad part
38:38
Speaker 1: of all of this, is that she had really little
38:41
Speaker 1: to no suspicion about him. We are standing by as
38:44
Speaker 1: we wait for justice. We're trying to find out the
38:51
Speaker 1: results of the autopsy report. We think we know the
38:54
Speaker 1: co D cause of death and m O D manner
38:57
Speaker 1: of death. Were we're waiting to find out is was
39:02
Speaker 1: the baby viable? Because if the baby was viable, that
39:07
Speaker 1: is a double homicide. We now had from Maryland to
39:11
Speaker 1: Tennessee and the shocking and disturbing trial ongoing in the
39:17
Speaker 1: murder of a beautiful young nursing student, Holly Bobo. I
39:21
Speaker 1: remember when she went missing because she's related to a
39:24
Speaker 1: country music star and I didn't even know about her
39:27
Speaker 1: disappearance until the country music star contacted us and asked
39:33
Speaker 1: us to cover her missing and we did, and we
39:37
Speaker 1: started covering it at the beginning. It is now a
39:41
Speaker 1: murder trial. Joining me right now, Shane Deeter w A
39:45
Speaker 1: T N in Tennessee. Dr Bethany Marshall still with me
39:48
Speaker 1: and Lee Egan, investigative reporter with Crime online dot Com. Shane,
39:53
Speaker 1: I didn't think the facts could get any worse than
39:57
Speaker 1: the people out looking for are Jen saying, okay, I
40:02
Speaker 1: don't if you don't even know what they're Jen saying, okay,
40:04
Speaker 1: they're out of the force looking for Jen Sing and
40:07
Speaker 1: they find her skull. They also found other items that
40:11
Speaker 1: they said were very disturbing the trial. In my mind,
40:15
Speaker 1: the facts, not the trial have just descended into pure hell.
40:20
Speaker 1: And I hope the family is not hearing all these facts.
40:23
Speaker 1: Shane Dieter w A T and give me the latest.
40:26
Speaker 1: You know, Nancy uh in my twenty some years and
40:28
Speaker 1: uh TV, I have never heard testimony like was come
40:32
Speaker 1: out of this trial. And Justin Audrey was on the
40:35
Speaker 1: stand testifying. I've never seen a witness defendant. He'll be
40:43
Speaker 1: trial later. Just talked the way he talked in his testimony.
40:49
Speaker 1: I mean, we had to bleed so much out of it.
40:53
Speaker 1: And just the cavalier way. He talked about how Zach
40:57
Speaker 1: Adams uh show Holly when they realized she was alive. Uh,
41:04
Speaker 1: he and Zack did drugs together, and he was talking
41:09
Speaker 1: about how they'd been up doing drugs when Zack came
41:12
Speaker 1: by with Holly Bobo in the back of his pickup
41:15
Speaker 1: truck and they went out by the Tennessee River to
41:19
Speaker 1: dispose of the body. And he testified when Zack Adams
41:23
Speaker 1: ask him if he would help, it was just like
41:25
Speaker 1: He's like sure, you know, just like you're gonna go
41:27
Speaker 1: get dinner with somebody or something. I just I was
41:32
Speaker 1: shocked listening to it. Uh, when I Autrey was on
41:37
Speaker 1: the stand, it's never heard anything like it. So explain
41:40
Speaker 1: to me his connection to the case. For people just
41:44
Speaker 1: hearing the Holly Bobo story for the first time, Shane,
41:48
Speaker 1: give me in a nutshell, what happened, Nancy. From what
41:51
Speaker 1: I've seen and heard about this case, Autrey and Zack
41:55
Speaker 1: Adams and then Zach's brother Dilling, Uh, they were friends.
42:00
Speaker 1: And from what I've seen from this case is it
42:04
Speaker 1: was a a drug related friendship, the math, Yes, Ma Math,
42:11
Speaker 1: and they talked about morphine. They would make some type
42:14
Speaker 1: of cocktails. So I want to go through the timeline.
42:16
Speaker 1: What do we know happened that day? Shane Deeter the
42:19
Speaker 1: day that Holly was kidnapped. It appears, Nancy, it was
42:23
Speaker 1: just a normal day. A a daughter got up, had
42:27
Speaker 1: breakfast with her mother and was going to go to
42:30
Speaker 1: her nursing school classes. And it looked like it was
42:34
Speaker 1: her routine that she had done, you know, for a while,
42:38
Speaker 1: and she's in nursing school and she when she walked
42:40
Speaker 1: out to her car, that's where she encountered zach A
42:44
Speaker 1: Lee Egan joining me reporter with Crime Online. What do
42:47
Speaker 1: we know about the day she went missing? I understand
42:49
Speaker 1: that the brother who was still home, the mother was
42:52
Speaker 1: at work, uh and the parents were gone. Holly usually
42:56
Speaker 1: leaves that morning in the morning around seven to go
42:59
Speaker 1: to nursing school. She packs your lunch, takes a little
43:02
Speaker 1: lunch pail, goes out to the car board to get
43:06
Speaker 1: in the car. The brother hears a Ruckason goes out.
43:09
Speaker 1: He sees, to my understanding, someone dressed in camouflage and
43:13
Speaker 1: they're walking into the woods to see that would have
43:15
Speaker 1: sparked my interest right there, while you're walking in the
43:16
Speaker 1: woods when you're supposed to be going to school. But
43:18
Speaker 1: he thought it was Holly Bobo's boyfriend. And it was
43:22
Speaker 1: only later when a neighbor heard a scream called Holly's
43:26
Speaker 1: mother at work, that the mother called the home and said,
43:30
Speaker 1: find Holly. He goes outside, he finds blood in the
43:34
Speaker 1: garage and the mother says, call n one. He calls
43:39
Speaker 1: one Leagan. What happens. Then that's when it becomes kind
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Speaker 1: of a mystery, because of course everybody's denying to hit
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Speaker 1: any involvement, except for the autry guy who's trying to
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Speaker 1: get a plea deal, trying to get out of life.
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Speaker 1: But um, from what I understand that they it was
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Speaker 1: that same day, or might have been the day after.
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Speaker 1: There was a man who was he noticed something wrong
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Speaker 1: in his on his property, like something was off, and
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Speaker 1: he walked out to a stream and he found a
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Speaker 1: lunch pill, and in court it was the same exact
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Speaker 1: lunch pill that Holly's mother was holding up. It matched,
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Speaker 1: So I guess they tossed. I believe that they tossed
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Speaker 1: all her stuff right there or after they killed or
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Speaker 1: maybe it went downstream, but yeah, she wasn't. She was
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Speaker 1: in trouble immediately. You know, what we have heard is
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Speaker 1: that these meth freaks kidnapped Polly. They rape her repeatedly
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Speaker 1: in video. The rape Shane Deeter w a t n as.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that that video has ever been recovered
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Speaker 1: or has it, Nancy, to my knowledge, it has not. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Two other men were indicted, the indictment ended up being dropped, uh,
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Speaker 1: and their charges were tampering with evidence and it was
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Speaker 1: the tape. But to my knowledge it has never surfaced. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know other than outside this circle of myth free
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Speaker 1: DJ Bethany Marshall please weigh in. I mean just the
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Speaker 1: fact that we know not they kidnapped the woman, uh
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Speaker 1: twenty one. I think you're all nursing Steed in her
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Speaker 1: whole life before her. They're doing this at seven in
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Speaker 1: the morning. You know, I haven't even had a second
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Speaker 1: cup of tea by then, and they're out planning a
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Speaker 1: kidnap at in the morning. And the psychopathy behind videoing
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Speaker 1: while you rape somebody, you know, Nancy. In preparation for
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Speaker 1: this show, I started looking up meth crimes. I just
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Speaker 1: started looking at the research and trying to figure out
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Speaker 1: the mindset of the methodict. And I read a shocking
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Speaker 1: statistic that this property crimes are committed by people on
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Speaker 1: meth amset. I mean that that was one piece of research.
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Speaker 1: The other was some of the crimes I heard. I
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Speaker 1: read about a father of a seven month old put
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Speaker 1: the seven month old into freezers so he could take
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Speaker 1: him out later for a snack. Um, a mother of
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Speaker 1: a four year old injecting for four year old repeatedly
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Speaker 1: with methem fetamine. Uh. Twenty something year old going into
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Speaker 1: the bathroom of the dollar store masturbating, eating food that
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Speaker 1: he had stolen from the store. When the employees tried
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Speaker 1: to get him out, he ran into the store, grabbed
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Speaker 1: silly stream started uh, sprang it all over the store.
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Speaker 1: And so uh, these these crimes, these acts that these
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Speaker 1: meth freaks commit, are so strange. They're in a bizarre,
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Speaker 1: dark world. And one of the first crimes that we
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Speaker 1: covered on when you had had a show on hl
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Speaker 1: Lynn was a man who was forgetting the name, but
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Speaker 1: he kidnapped um two kids, tied up the parents, bludgeon
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Speaker 1: them to death. There was blood all over the home
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Speaker 1: and and at that point I started researching meth, and
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Speaker 1: I kept hearing the term overkill, that when meth addicts
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Speaker 1: commit crimes where there's a homicide involved, there's always an
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Speaker 1: overkill effect because they're so high and they're in such
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Speaker 1: an altered state that they literally kind of lose perspective
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Speaker 1: on where they are. And I think that's really the
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Speaker 1: only explanatory principle behind this crime. But behind the fact
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Speaker 1: that it was seven in the morning, uh, that they
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Speaker 1: raped and killed her so quickly, uh, and even the
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Speaker 1: fact that the mother, when Clint Bobo called the mother,
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Speaker 1: she said, get a pistol and go get them, as
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Speaker 1: if the mother had some growing cognizant of the danger
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Speaker 1: around the house and what these methodics are capable of.
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Speaker 1: We are on the case as the Holly Bogo trial
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Speaker 1: goes on. Nancy Grace signing off Goodbye Fan