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Sarah Kellen Names Three People During Her Appearance Before Congress (5/25/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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Epstein Chronicles. On Thursday, Congress heard from Sarah Kelln Vickers,
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and according to reports, she gave Congress three names of
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people who abused her. And while I certainly think that
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Sarah Kelln Vickers was part of Epstein's operation, that doesn't
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mean that she couldn't have been victimized by these other scumbags.
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So two things can be true at one time. And
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when you're dealing with a highly nuanced situation such as this,
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not everything's going to be cut and dry. There's going
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to be a lot of gray area, right. So for me,
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like I've always said, it comes down to actionable intelligence.
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So if Sarah Kelln Vickers gives the authorities information and
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they use that information to make arrests and expand their investigation,
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then I'm completely fine with Sarah Kelln Vickers catching some
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kind of deal, not because I think that she's innocent,
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But if you want to build a substantial case against
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the remaining remnants of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, You're going to
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need informants. You're going to need people that are willing
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to give testimony and provide evidence to the court. And
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if Sarah Kelln Vickers is willing to play ball and
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do that, then I wouldn't be opposed to her catching
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some kind of leniency from the government. But it has
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to be quid pro quo. It can't just be well,
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I was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein too, well, okay,
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but why did you do what you did? You being
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a victim, that doesn't give you the carte blanche to
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do whatever you want to anybody else and hurt other people.
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But at the same time, that doesn't mean I think
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that Sarah Kelln Vickers should have been abused by any
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of these scumbags either. So when you talk about a
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complicated situation, this is it. Today's article is from CNN,
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and the headline here is who Epstein's longtime assistant accused
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of sexual abuse. This article was authored by Annie Grayer,
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Jake Tapper, and Nicki Robertson. Lawmakers investigating the late convicted
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sex offender Jeffrey Epstein are turning their attention to three
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men who Epstein's longtime assistant accused of sexual abuse and
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closed door testimony this week, Sources that were familiar with
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the matter told CNN and for me The biggest issue
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with Sarah Kelln Vickers is the fact that she never
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came forward previously. She wasn't living on the run, she
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wasn't living in hiding or anything like that. She had
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a very powerful husband, someone with a lot of money,
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somebody that could have protected her, but she chose to
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remain silent. And I think she's going to have to
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answer for that. But if she gives actionable intelligence that
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leads to other people being arrested convicted, then I think
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that's worth something. And I know it's not something that
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everybody wants to swallow, but that's the way the system
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set up. And to get people, bad people evil p
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a lot of times you have to play ball with
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other bad people. And if Sarah Kellen and her testimony
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can lead to another crack in the armor, then I
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think it might be worthwhile to explore what kind of
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deal she could be provided. And if the government would
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have just done the right thing from the beginning and
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made this so rico case, that would have happened earlier.
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But now we have to play catch up. We have
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to run around, put out fires and figure out what's what,
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Who knows this, who knows that? And all the while,
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you can't really compel people to do so unless you
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subpoena them, And even then, do you really believe people
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aren't lying to Congress? Whole less other thing, when you
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get hit with Rico right and all your funds get
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frozen and you're living like a popper, then it becomes
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a problem. But better late than ever, so retroactively. If
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they're actually going to go back and go after the
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people that Kellen gives information about, then I'm more than
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willing to listen to some kind of plead deal for
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Sarah Kelln Vickers, but only if she gives actionable intelligence.
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In an interview with the House Oversight Committee on Thursday,
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former Epstein assistant Sarah Kellen accused the three men of
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wrongdoing and identified them by name. House Oversight Chair James
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Comer said sources told CNN that Kellen named Frederick Focai,
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a French celebrity hairstylist, Philip Levine, the former mayor of
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Miami Beach and Cruz industry entrepreneur, and Patrick Demarcier, a
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French fashion photographer. Well, that shouldn't shock anybody. And Frederick Focai,
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we've talked about him on the podcast previously, we heard
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all the stories about the girls going down to Freddie
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Focai to get their hair done. All of Epstein's assistants
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quote unquote co conspirators, yett't taken care of by Freddie Focai, Hey,
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Jeffrey send the girls down. Kellen accused for Kai and
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Levine of sexually assaulting her and testified that the marchier
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exposed himself to her, one of the sources familiar with
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the matter said. Another source said that Kellen asserted that
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for Kai assaulted her in the early two thousands before
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she met Epstein, when the two were alone together in
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a hotel room. We'll on a trip to Hawaii to
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meet with modeling agents, and I have a funny feeling
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from everything that I've heard so far of you know,
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what Kellen was saying. It kind of seems like she
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might have been taken up for Epstein a little bit
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and trying to, you know, defend them. Still, at least
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that's what's been inferred by some of the people that
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were at the hearing. But like usual, we'll wait for
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the transcript because I want to be able to read
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it for ourselves, and I think that we'll have a
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better handle on what Sarah Kelln said and what her
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motivations might be once we get our hands on that transcript.
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A media repper presentative for Fokai disputed that for Kai
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had done anything wrong. Mister Fokai was astonished to read
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of miss Kellen's testimony. Mister Fokai never abused anyone, He
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never participated in any illegal behavior. He knew nothing about
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Epstein's repugnant depravity or trafficking. He did nothing wrong, The
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representative Mark Kerr said, miss statement. Well, look, all I
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can tell you is what other people have said. The
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women that were there, the people that were going to
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his salon, and the people that were abused by Epstein,
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and a lot of those women have named Frederick Fokai.
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Her also specifically denied the allegation of assault. That is
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categorically untrue. Mister Fokai never assaulted anyone. Well, if that's
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the case, I guess we can expect the lawsuit filed
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against Sarah Kelln Vickers, right. I mean, if he's saying
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that she's lying about him, probably something that you would do, unless,
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of course she's not lying. Whole committee investigators at Levine
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assaulted her in San Tropei at the home being rented
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by Epstein and his co conspirator Glenn Maxwell in the
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early two thousands. One of the sources familiar with the
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matter told CNN, and you're wondering why Jeffrey Epstein caught
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a sweetheart deal down in Palm Beach. Well, when the
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mayor is, you know, having relations, if you will, with
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one of Jeffrey Epstein's quote unquote assistants. You really think
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Epstein doesn't have compromand on that? Dude? Wait, I thought
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I was told there was no compromise. I thought I
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was told this was all a hoax, everything was overblown,
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nobody was trafficked, and that we should just move on. Hey,
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have you seen the aliens? Isn't that what we've been told?
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Wait a minute, they're lying to you. Holy shit, what
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do you know? I'm shocked to hear it. CNN attempted
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to reach Levine and representatives of de Martier, who died
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in twenty twenty two, through phone calls and emails, as
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well as direct messages on social media. Earlier this year,
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Levine told w LRN in a statement that he only
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met Epstein a few times and he regretted it. Oh yeah,
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I'm sure you regretted it. Buddy, I'm sure you really
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regretted it. That's why you were so forthcoming about everything
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you knew about Jeffrey Epstein, right, mister Mayor. Meanwhile, we're
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hearing about Sarah Kellen Vickers saying that she was abused
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by this dude, and frankly, I believe her because that's
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what Jeffrey Epstein did when he wanted to ingratiate himself
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to somebody in power. There was always a girl on standby,
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and it wasn't for everybody, like I've told you. You know,
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other people might want to tell you it's some kind
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of Heidi Flights operation, but that's not what was going on.
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When these women were provided. It was for Jeffrey Epstein's benefit.
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Look at the people that have been accused directly, and
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look at how powerful they are, Leon Black, Les Wexner,
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Marvin Minsky, George Mitchell, Bill Richardson, Bill Gates. So you
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start looking at the people that we've talked about that
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allegedly were taking part in the abuse, and it's obvious
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that that part of Epstein's operation was a quote unquote
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luxury service, and it was only reserved for some people.
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As I've previously stated, my only connection to Jeffrey Epstein
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arose solely through my former friendship with Glenn Maxwell. As
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if that's better, As if being friends with Glaine Maxwell
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is more acceptable. Did these people even listen to themselves?
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I met Epstein only a few times. I never conducted
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any business with him, never visited his island, and never
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flew on his aircraft. I regret ever meeting him, he
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said at the time. Yeah, how many times you've been
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to his house? Mister Mayor. Kellen testified that the marchier
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introduced her to Epstein, who he characterized as a scout
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for possible Victoria's secret models. Another source familiar with the
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matter told CNN none of the men have been charged
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with a crime in connection with Epstein, and Comer said
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the committee had not previously known of allegations of sexual
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abuse against them. Well, that's because they don't know much
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about much. And the truth is a lot of people
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talking about this story they don't know their asked from
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the railbow and they're doing great harm. So many people
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are out here trying to use this as a cudgel politically,
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and it causes great harm to the case overall. But
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that doesn't matter to the Taurus, the people that just
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showed up and thought that they could use this story
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as some kind of weapon. It's not about justice. It's
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not about seeing things through. It's not about the survivors
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being made whole or as whole as possible. No, it's
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about looking for the most salacious part of the story
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and trying to exploit it. A CNN review of the
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Epstein files released by the Department of Justice showed that
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Levine An Felcai had ties to the late convicted sex
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offender back years. The files, however, do not appear to
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review any direct interaction between the Marchier and Epstein. According
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to CNN's review, that doesn't mean anything, doesn't mean a thing.
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Just because they have no emails doesn't mean that the
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Marchier wasn't doing what he's accused of doing. Now, on
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the flip side, doesn't mean that he did it either.
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We have to keep that in mind. So word to Wiland, Well,
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let's see some evidence one way or the other. There's
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no indication in the publicly available Epstein files reviewed by
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CNN that any of the three men had been interviewed
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by federal investigators, And that's a shock. They didn't want
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the investigation to expand. What they wanted was a nice
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little cleanup operation. That's what they wanted. Kellen's a polarizing
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figure in Epstein's orbit, whose work with the disgraced financier
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Pedophile provided her access to significant information on his activities.
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In two thousand and seven, she was labeled by law
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enforcement as one of Epstein's but ten co conspirators, but
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she described herself as a victim of Epstein's abuse, and
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some observers acknowledge or experience is complicated. Even if law
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enforcement did investigate her for possibly aiding Epstein, Comer said
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she was not interviewed by law enforcement until twenty nineteen.
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Her lawyer declined to comment. And look, it is complicated.
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I'm not going to sit here and make pretend it's not.
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It is. He groomed me sexually and psychologically abuse me,
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control me, manipulated me, dominated me, and gas lit me
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until I could no longer tell which thoughts were mine
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and which were his. Kellen told lawmakers of Epstein, according
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to a copy of her opening statement, it was like
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living with a permanent virtual reality had set on. I
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was reminded every day how powerful he was, how influential
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he was, and that to turn on him or disobey
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him would mean losing everything, my job, my home, everyone
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I knew in my world, even my life life. And look,
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I have compassion for that, I most certainly do. I'm
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not somebody who's hartless, right, And I don't have some
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you know, deep down hatred of Sarah Kelln Vickers. I
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don't hate her, not by any stretch, but I feel
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like she hasn't been honest and she hasn't been forthcoming
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throughout the years. And while I certainly acknowledge that it's
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dangerous to come out against a guy like Epstein, Kellen
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was in a different spot. She had powerful people around her,
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and she had some dough. She could have easily went
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against Epstein. She could have came forward, She could have
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got with other survivors and they could have, you know,
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came out together and said, look, this is what went down.
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I'm willing to take my lumps, but I want to
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tell everybody that I was also a victim and Epstein
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groomed me, but none of that happened. And when you
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don't get out in front of a narrative, and instead
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you let the public build that narrative and fill in
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the spots, then it's gonna be what it's gonna be.
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And let's remember Epstein died in twenty nineteen. She's had
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all these years she could have come forward. So I'm
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not sitting here saying that I think that Sarah Kellen
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Vickers is without fault. She most certainly is, and unless
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she provides actionable intelligence that leads to arrests, then I
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think that Sarah Kellen Vickers should still be looked at
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as a co conspirator. Comer declined on Thursday to name
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the individuals and promised his committee would release a transcript
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of Kellen's interview as soon as possible. The accusations that
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Kellen leveled against the men, Comer said, would provide congressional
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investigators a new lead to chase down. Of all the
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people that we've interviewed thus far, this was by far
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the most substantive and productive interview that we've had, he
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told reporters on Thursday. Well, that's because you guys didn't
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really push on any of the other people that came in.
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And let's not forget that, mister Comer and his buddies
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decided not to go speak to Les Wexner what the
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Epstein file show about. The files revealed that, over many years,
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Epstein spent thousands of dollars at the Fame Frederick fa
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Kai salon for himself and others, according to invoices and
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credit card statements released by the Justice Department. Virginia talks
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about it too, and so did Maria and multiple other women.
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But Epstein's relationship with for Kai appeared to extend beyond
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that of a professional hairdresser and a client. According to
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the doj AS Epstein files, at least four times for
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Kai reportedly asked to use one of Epstein's apartments. Emails
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from the files show and that was another big thing.
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Hey Epstein, can I borrow your apartment? All these fucking
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rich people don't want to spring for a hotel room. Instead,
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we'll just go stay with our diddling buddy, Jeffrey Epstein.
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Sounds like a fantastic plan. In twenty ten, for Kai
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also asked to use Epstein's room for an appointment with
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his own messuse. Email shows Epstein agreed, but told a
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person whose name redacted in the files to let Fakai
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know that Epstein would be home. That same year, Epstein
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boasted to a redacted person that he had known for
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Kai for ten years and helped his company form that
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checks out. Epstein was always throwing that money around right.
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In twenty thirteen, Epstein asked for Kai for help finding
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a multi lingual assistant, and for Kai responded that he
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would check his rolodex in email shows. That same year,
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Fakai wrote Epstein about a female coming over to one
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of his salons, and as a representative of Epstein, wrote
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to invite for Kai over for cake for Epstein's birthday.
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I'd rather be in a Taliban prison than eat cake
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with Jeffrey. Epstein and Maxwell told Acting Attorney General Todd
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Blanche in an interview last year that Epstein and for
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Kai were friendly, very friendly. What the Epstein files show
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about Levin. Epstein and Levine were in contact through the
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early two thousands and had a plan to talk on
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the phone and meet in person multiple times throughout the years.
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According to the Justice Department files. It's not clear in
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the files if the meetings actually took place. In two
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thousand and three, for example, the file show that Levine
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had tried to arrange a business meeting for Epstein, with
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the former managing director of the company overseeing Sephora. In
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twenty ten, the year after Epstein was released from jail
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in Florida after being convicted on state charges related to
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sex crimes, Levin wrote to Epstein, I'm happy that everything
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has come to a positive ending for you during these
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tough times. You're a great guy. Levin ran successfully for
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mayor of Miami Beach in twenty thirteen and unsuccessfully for
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governor of the state in twenty eighteen. Epstein's inbox is
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filled with campaign emails from Levine. In twenty thirteen, Epstein
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responded to a generic campaign email asking how much he
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could donate to the campaign, and someone responded from Levin
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to me, directing the financier to use their website. Levin
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also appeared to have a relationship with Maxwell, Epstein's criminal
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accomplice email show. Levin asked Maxwell in one email to
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scout at a party she was attending in two thousand
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and one. In two thousand and three, Levin told her
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that he had a hot young thing spending the weekend.
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Call me. Another email shows Now what the fuck do
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you think he means by that? Remember look at it
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in context and through the lens of what Maxwell and
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Epstein were, And do you notice it's only these powerful
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people that are asking about the girls. Prince Andrew, this dude,
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and the whole host of other powerful people. Why do
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you think they're asking Glenn Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein about girls?
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Maxwell told Blanche that then Deputy Attorney General last year
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that Levin was the one who introduced her to former
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President Bill Clinton. She referred to herself as Levin as
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very good friends. I don't believe that for a second.
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Jeffrey Epstein was going to the White House in the
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early nineties and it was Mark Middleton who set that
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all up. Maxwell and Levine seem to have a relationship
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where they frequently joked with sexual undertones. The email show.
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In one email, Maxwell referred to Levine as her boyfriend.
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In messages from two thousand and one, Maxwell says that
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she unceremoniously dumped Epstein for Levine. Oh isn't that cute?
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Isn't that cute? And imagine being attached to that as
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mister Levine here, not only are you attached to Gwynn Maxwell,
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but now you're being accused by Sarah Kellen Vickers of
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partaking in Epstein's abuse, and let's not act like these
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were the first names that we've heard when this was
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all starting back in twenty nineteen, and we heard about
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Leon Black and Les Wexner and Bill Richardson and George
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Mitchell and the rest of them. Nothing happened. And then
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you have people out here that are like, well, what
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are the names? Who was in one Bitch? You've been
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given the names, They're just not the names you want
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to hear. They're not the kind of names that you
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think will move the needle politically. And when people say
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no names have been named, that's what they mean, because
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there's been plenty of names that have been thrown out there,
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plenty of people that have been credibly accused. And now
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that this information is out there in public, the question
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becomes what's Congress gonna do? And more importantly, what about
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the DOJ. So we're gonna follow along and when we
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have some more information one way or the other, we'll
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get it added to the catalog. All the information that
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goes with this episode can be found in the description box.