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The Intelligence Trail: Gary Berntsen on Trump’s 2020 Election Files · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: The President looked at the American people, he looked at
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Speaker 1: the world, basically because of being broadcast everywhere, and he said,
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Speaker 1: We've got proof.
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Speaker 2: Over a period of years, starting during the twenty twenty
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Speaker 2: election cycle, the People's Republic of China carried out what
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Speaker 2: is believed to be the largest compromise of election data
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Speaker 2: in history, resulting in China's illicit acquisition of two hundred
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Speaker 2: and twenty million US voter files. That information includes names, addresses,
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Speaker 2: phone numbers, political party preferences, and other sensitive data that
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Speaker 2: would be needed to register to vote and engage in
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Speaker 2: other nefarious activities, which is exactly what was happening.
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Speaker 1: President walked out. He says he has proof, does.
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Speaker 3: He He has proof? He has plenty of proof.
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Speaker 1: You and I talked about this in February. You were
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Speaker 1: hoping that the inside circle to President Trump would get
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Speaker 1: wind of exactly what it was that you and Ralph
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Speaker 1: of uncovered. And I gotta know, did that word get
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Speaker 1: to them? Is this because of your work what we
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Speaker 1: saw last night?
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Speaker 3: It is, but it's part of what we did and
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Speaker 3: what others have done. There's other people that recognize that
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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election was stolen and that there are
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Speaker 3: stolen elections going on across the world. You know, the
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Speaker 3: story goes back, of course to Venezuela in the beginning.
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Speaker 3: They create their original source code, They get the hardware
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Speaker 3: from Italy, from Olavetti. They steal the first elections there,
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Speaker 3: and this thing spreads out into the United States and
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Speaker 3: it goes from Smartmatic to Sequoia, from Sequoia to Dominion,
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Speaker 3: and then Dominion controls elections in the United States and
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Speaker 3: smart Medica has the world. They're role using the Venezuelan software.
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Speaker 3: But what the President talked a lot about last night
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Speaker 3: was China, because China was the partner of the Venezuelan
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Speaker 3: s they provided the hardware.
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Speaker 1: Gary got to know, can you unpack what he would
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Speaker 1: saying that I didn't look at everything on the on
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Speaker 1: the website yet I will this weekend. I'll do a
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Speaker 1: deep dive. What allegation specifically was he making about China
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Speaker 1: last night?
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Speaker 3: Well, the Chinese. They have evidence that the Chinese hacked
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Speaker 3: into the United States of voter registrations and took at
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Speaker 3: least two hundred and twenty identities. You know, you know,
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Speaker 3: and and you know their social Security numbers.
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Speaker 1: There voting twenty million, right, two.
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Speaker 3: Hundred and twenty million, and it's like, you know, all
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Speaker 3: the people now and the people have been dead for
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Speaker 3: the last twenty years right now that are that are voters,
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Speaker 3: you know, and because we don't have two undred twenty
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Speaker 3: voters right now, but if you take the last twenty years,
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Speaker 3: they've just taken them all, right, And and so he
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Speaker 3: was able to demonstrate that foreign actors are interested in
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Speaker 3: manipulating the American electoral system and that they have used
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Speaker 3: their state you know, intelligence capabilities, technical abilities to do so,
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Speaker 3: and they've intervened. And so the you know, the Chinese
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Speaker 3: got caught with a very very big theft over two
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Speaker 3: hundred million. You know, we and I had mentioned to
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Speaker 3: you when we met earlier and when we were when
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Speaker 3: you interviewed me earlier, that you know, we had recruited
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Speaker 3: engineers from Venezuela, the engineers that built the source code,
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Speaker 3: the engineers that operated the system, the engineers that we
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Speaker 3: brought here, and they testify. But part of the problem
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Speaker 3: was in the United States, inside of Trump's own government,
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Speaker 3: inside of Trump's own DNI and Trump's own CIA, people
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Speaker 3: were there blocking There are large numbers of people still
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Speaker 3: in the government who are on the payroll of the
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Speaker 3: Cuban Intelligence Service, and the Venezuelans and leftist organizations that
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Speaker 3: would do anything to stop President Trump, to stop the
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Speaker 3: con any kind of conservative movement. They want to destroy
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Speaker 3: our republic. And this is a battle for the future
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Speaker 3: of America if the public own. The republic will only
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Speaker 3: survive if we are able to defend free and fair
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Speaker 3: elections and allow a people, the American people, to express
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Speaker 3: themselves at the ballot box on who they who wants,
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Speaker 3: you know, we want to lead us in a free
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Speaker 3: and open society.
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Speaker 1: This is a former CIA senior operations officer. He's a
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Speaker 1: whistleblower from the CIA. It's Gary Burnson. The book is
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Speaker 1: called Stolen Elections to take Down of Democracies Worldwide by
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Speaker 1: Ralph Paluzzo. So going get to that Pazzulo. We actually
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Speaker 1: have the ls and disease backward on here. So it's pezzulak.
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Speaker 1: I'm Italian, I should know how to pronounce Ralph's name.
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Speaker 1: All that said, let's let's pare down some of what
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Speaker 1: you just said. The President last night alleged exactly what
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Speaker 1: you just said. There were inside actors in the White House,
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Speaker 1: in the inner circle, in the staff, in the in
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Speaker 1: the FBI, in the.
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Speaker 3: D n I A.
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Speaker 1: All of that.
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Speaker 3: Yes, that that.
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Speaker 1: Were literally giving him the daily intelligence report, that they
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Speaker 1: were lying about the we're not telling him the real intelligence.
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Speaker 1: Fill me in on that. How does that work?
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Speaker 3: Well, what happens is is, you know, the CIA was
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Speaker 3: created in nineteen forty seven with a law called the
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Speaker 3: National Security Act of nineteen forty seven. It created the
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Speaker 3: Air Force, the NSC, the CIA, and the CIA's purpose
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Speaker 3: is to take all source collection that means open stuff,
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Speaker 3: clandestine stuff, intercept, put it together and present it to
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Speaker 3: policy makers so that a chief executive can make the
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Speaker 3: single best decisions for the nation. And so we have
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Speaker 3: a clandestine service of which I was a senior officer,
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Speaker 3: and they go out into the field and they collect
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Speaker 3: the information. But you have analysts in Washington that take
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Speaker 3: that clandestine reporting and with other reporting, diplomatic, open source research,
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Speaker 3: put it all together, and the president gets a report
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Speaker 3: every day called the PDB, the President's Daily Brief, Right,
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Speaker 3: And there are other intelligence products like the National Intelligence
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Speaker 3: Daily that are produced that go to maybe the top
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Speaker 3: two hundred people in the government. But the fact is
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Speaker 3: is those people that were producing those documents, were manipulating them.
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Speaker 3: They were they were changing, they were they were admitting
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Speaker 3: reporting certain things, watering things down, using what they call
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Speaker 3: their you know, analytic trade craft to lie. They didn't
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Speaker 3: want the president to know the truth. Look in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: the President came out and said, hey, I believe the
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Speaker 3: elections stolen, and you had people like Seese and the
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Speaker 3: CIA said it was an honest election, which was a
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Speaker 3: bloody lie. The CIA and the intelligence community in twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: led by many of the people that are still there now,
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Speaker 3: lied their asses off because they wanted to. They wanted
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Speaker 3: Trump out of office, and they participated in a coup.
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Speaker 3: That's what they did. They it was treason what they did.
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Speaker 3: The fact is is if someone gets elected president of
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Speaker 3: the United States and they're from a political party I
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Speaker 3: don't like, I continue to serve, you know, I mean,
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Speaker 3: this is this is the deal here in America. And
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Speaker 3: they were willing to do anything to stop Donald Trump
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Speaker 3: and they would lie, cheat, steal. And the problem is
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Speaker 3: that the intelligence community has become politicized, you know, in
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Speaker 3: the old days, you know, let's go back, like almost
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Speaker 3: fifty years to Watergate. Richard Nixon wanted to use employ
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Speaker 3: the CIA to help cover up Watergate, and Vernon Walters
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Speaker 3: was the deputy director of CIA, had been a three
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Speaker 3: star general in the army, he'd been an attache abroad,
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Speaker 3: was with Nixon years before. He blocked Nixon. He wouldn't
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Speaker 3: let him do that because he didn't want the CIA compromise.
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Speaker 3: The CIA has become politicized and compromise. Look for someone
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Speaker 3: like me, and I'm a purist in the intel business.
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Speaker 3: I believe that we don't make policy. We go out
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Speaker 3: and collect the most difficult information provided the policy makers
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Speaker 3: so that they can make decisions. You know, they changed
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Speaker 3: the system after nine to eleven. They created a DNI
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Speaker 3: and they put them in the cabinet. They never should
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Speaker 3: have done that. Don't need to have an intelligence officer
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Speaker 3: in that in the bloody cabinet, right the intelligence chief
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Speaker 3: talk talks directly to the President of United States, Secretary
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Speaker 3: of State, other people like that. But you don't need
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Speaker 3: him in the cabinet. That's not a cabinet position. That's
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Speaker 3: that they're not they're not supposed to be policy makers.
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Speaker 3: But we've done that. That was a response to nine
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Speaker 3: to eleven. They thought, oh, we could do a better job.
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Speaker 3: Let's let's put somebody in charge of it. Let's make
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Speaker 3: this dn I. It was just the addition of more bureaucracy.
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Speaker 1: It is Gary Bernson INFORMACYI Senior Operations official. He also
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Speaker 1: is the whistleblower when it comes to the election stuff.
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Speaker 1: The book is called Stolen Elections, written by Ralph Pezzulo.
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Speaker 1: Go and get that right now. It's very interesting. All
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Speaker 1: you just said is very interesting. But Watergate jumped out
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Speaker 1: at me because Watergate was a nothing burger. And here's
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Speaker 1: what I mean for those watching and listening, it's a
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Speaker 1: couple of like four or five dorks that broke into
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Speaker 1: the DNC to find out what the what the whole
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Speaker 1: strategy was for the upcoming election. Really stupid. If Nixon
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Speaker 1: doesn't try to hide it all, he's fine, he doesn't
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Speaker 1: get he doesn't reside.
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Speaker 3: Is worse than the crime.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, But compared to this, Garry, if what President
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Speaker 1: Trump said is true, if what you're saying is true,
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Speaker 1: I have no reason not to believe you. This is treason,
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Speaker 1: This is high crimes. Are we going to see some
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Speaker 1: people and handcuffs? I mean, this is a matter of
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Speaker 1: making elections unfair and selecting and pending the leadership of
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Speaker 1: the free world is somebody that you felt like handing
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Speaker 1: it to. That's a problem.
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Speaker 3: It is a gigantic problem. The combination of the election
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Speaker 3: theft by the Venezuelans and the Chinese and our enemies
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Speaker 3: allied together, aligned with the left, George Soros and the left,
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Speaker 3: and you combine that with these activities of people inside
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Speaker 3: the National Security Council and the White House. This is
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Speaker 3: the greatest crime against the United States since the Civil War. Wow,
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Speaker 3: this is the greatest grift we have ever seen. And
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Speaker 3: the left is determined to suppress. That's why the several
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Speaker 3: t at television stations may mainstream media last night wouldn't
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Speaker 3: carry the president's speech. They're so determined to block the
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Speaker 3: American public from understanding what occurred because they know what occurred.
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Speaker 3: They know.
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Speaker 1: It's the story of the century. And I used to
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Speaker 1: This should be the lead story for the next two years.
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Speaker 1: Having said that, the President said, a lot of these
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Speaker 1: media people, these legacy media people, were on the payroll.
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Speaker 1: The President said, they were being handed big chunks of money.
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Speaker 1: So were intellagents, so were others. Again, you're getting paid
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Speaker 1: to commit trees that in my opinion on the country,
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Speaker 1: what happens to these people is treason too far, Am
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Speaker 1: I saying the wrong word?
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Speaker 3: No? No, let me just say something. Treason is a
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Speaker 3: is a word it and there's a crime that we
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Speaker 3: sort of inherited from British law, and it's only treason
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Speaker 3: during a time of war. So people who commit these
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Speaker 3: sorts of acts as we know it, well we charge
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Speaker 3: them under the Espionage Act or some other sedition. But
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Speaker 3: you know, under treason, you know you should. You're you're
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Speaker 3: able to execute somebody. You know, in a time of war,
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Speaker 3: if someone works for the enemy, you can execute them.
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Speaker 3: But right now we're not in a Maybe if someone
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Speaker 3: got caught spying for the Iranians right now while we're
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Speaker 3: in a shooting war of them, that's treason. We could
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Speaker 3: shoot them. We might be able to execute them under
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Speaker 3: the law, but it's not treason unless we're in a
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Speaker 3: state of war.
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Speaker 1: Legally, so it could be could It's good, it's espionage,
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Speaker 1: it's all of that stuff, right.
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Speaker 3: It's espion as we have the Espionage Act, the sedition.
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Speaker 3: But let me let me explain something else. We understood
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Speaker 3: what this was early on. My business partner, hy mister
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Speaker 3: Martine rue Deal, and we went to the CIA because
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Speaker 3: we you know, I'm a I'm somebody that grew up
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Speaker 3: in the agency. I spent you know, over two decades
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Speaker 3: there and I trusted them, and I went to them
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Speaker 3: and showed them this was before twenty twenty. Look, this cartel,
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Speaker 3: this gigantic transnational criminal cartel called the Cartel de los
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Speaker 3: Solis is operating and doing these unbelievable things. And it's
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Speaker 3: a two point seven trillion dollar criminal enterprise. Wow, and
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Speaker 3: we've been collecting on it and you need to fight it.
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Speaker 3: And their response was it's too big for us, mister Burnson, Oh,
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Speaker 3: come on, and you should just stay with the Department
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Speaker 3: of Justice, and it's just too big for us. And
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Speaker 3: I was like, what are you talking about. I'm a
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Speaker 3: guy that invaded Afghanistan with a handful of guys in
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty. Hell, you talking about what am I supposed
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Speaker 3: to call the Salvation Army, the boy Scouts to help me.
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Speaker 3: You the damn CIA, get off your asses.
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Speaker 1: But they didn't want to. There was nowhere we want
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Speaker 1: to because they were in on it.
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Speaker 3: And so we gave them the results of some of
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Speaker 3: our findings. And then as we learned about election fraud
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Speaker 3: and after and we assembled all that together, we went
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Speaker 3: to a senior FBI officer and said, here's what we have.
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Speaker 3: This is how they're stealing elections. We went to Washington,
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Speaker 3: d C. Met with a very senior person, and that
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Speaker 3: person turned to us and we were in a law
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Speaker 3: firm and said, mister Burnson, you and mister Rodeal need
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Speaker 3: to flee the city because if my supervisors at FBI
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Speaker 3: headquarters find out what you're doing, they're going to pursue you,
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Speaker 3: destroy your investigation, and put you in jail. They'll wind away.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 3: And so so I literally wound up leaving the United
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Speaker 3: States and living in Switzerland for a year so that
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Speaker 3: my efforts against these the cartel and the election companies
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Speaker 3: wouldn't be interrupted by the FBI. And so, you know, look,
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Speaker 3: I'm a veteritan. I was in the United States Air
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Speaker 3: Force too, you know, four years in the military, twenty
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Speaker 3: three years in the CIA.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 3: Then I served in Gido, you know, during the Afghan War,
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Speaker 3: working on roadside bombs while my son was over there
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Speaker 3: fighting with the eighty second. I've committed myself to this
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Speaker 3: country and the fact that they were pursue me was
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Speaker 3: just so offensive.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's Gary, go ahead.
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Speaker 3: So you know, the point is is we have some
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Speaker 3: terrible rot in the country. We have had spies, and
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Speaker 3: we have gone to them. So just recently within five months,
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Speaker 3: I and another senior CIA officer guy that was the
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Speaker 3: chief of station. I was a chief of station a
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Speaker 3: bunch of places, but this guy was the chief of
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Speaker 3: station in Havana. We went and walked into the CIA
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Speaker 3: and we met with the senior people in counterintelligence and
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Speaker 3: we told them who is spying. We know the names
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Speaker 3: of at least a dozen of these people, and we
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Speaker 3: gave them to them. And then their response to us
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Speaker 3: was they took all the information that we had and
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Speaker 3: they said, well, the FBI will contact you. They wrote
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Speaker 3: me a note and said, because of the sensitivity and
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Speaker 3: the complexity, we can't work on it. We're giving it
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Speaker 3: to the FBI, which is just total insanity. Yes, and
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Speaker 3: they they have never called us back. Now, let me
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Speaker 3: just go back for a second. Three years ago. Manuel
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Speaker 3: roacha who was the American ambassador to Bolivia, and he
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Speaker 3: was the political counselor to south Comb. Southcomb the Southern
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Speaker 3: Command that handles all defense in the South. But he
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Speaker 3: was as an ambassador attached to Southcomb for about five
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Speaker 3: years as a senior advisor to the commander of Southcomb.
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Speaker 3: We identified him as a spy working for the Cubans,
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Speaker 3: not the FBI, not the goddamn CIA. Me and my
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Speaker 3: business partner, right, and so we went to the FBI
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Speaker 3: and Puerto Rico, sat down with them with two CI
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Speaker 3: officers counter intelligence, and hammered that out with them. They
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Speaker 3: put the package together. They got the US attorney there,
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Speaker 3: who's a great guy, to do a referral to Miami.
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Speaker 3: Miami got a Cuban FBI officer to play the role
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Speaker 3: of a Cuban intelligence officer. He made contact with Manuel
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Speaker 3: Roach like they were turning them back on again because
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Speaker 3: he'd worked for them soon and he fell for it,
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Speaker 3: and he conducted three two hour meetings which were taped,
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Speaker 3: where he confessed to being a spy for Cuba for
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Speaker 3: over thirty years.
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Speaker 1: What happened to him?
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Speaker 3: Oh, he's in prison. He's in prison. But the point
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Speaker 3: was was, it wasn't the damn FBI, it wasn't the CIA.
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Speaker 3: These lazy, stupid people aren't doing their jobs. Some of
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Speaker 3: them are lazy and stupid. The others are smart. They're
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Speaker 3: working for the Cubans and they're directing in the other places. Look,
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Speaker 3: we have a terrible counterintelligence problem right now. Yeah, a
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Speaker 3: terrible problem.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to ask well, Gary, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: ask you how you solve that problem in a minute.
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Speaker 1: But I want to get back on track as far
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Speaker 1: as which countries are now implicated because of what's on
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Speaker 1: White House dot Gover's Gary Burnson going get the book.
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Speaker 1: It's called Stolen Elections, written by Ralph Pazzulo, and it's
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Speaker 1: an amazing The first conversation we had was amazing to
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Speaker 1: me because I was like, I had no idea any
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Speaker 1: of this was going on. I know that you mentioned,
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Speaker 1: we know that China's implicated now two hundred twenty million
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Speaker 1: voter registration rolls. That's sick. They're also connected with Venezuela
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Speaker 1: that had the machines. Italy is somehow connected, is Iran? Connected.
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Speaker 1: Is that why there's an operation going on in Iran?
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Speaker 1: I mean, how far does this go? Are there multiple
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Speaker 1: countries that we haven't even named yet? Well, what is
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Speaker 1: the mechanism? China has the voter registrations, Venezuela has the machines.
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Speaker 1: They have the ability to infiltrate the machines. According to
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Speaker 1: Trump and according to you, what was the mechanism? How
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Speaker 1: did they do this?
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Speaker 3: Venezuela began with the software. They built the source code.
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Speaker 3: The first hardware they used was out of Italy. They
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Speaker 3: bought lottery machines from Olavetti and touchscreens, and then they
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Speaker 3: transitioned them into election machines and stole their first election
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, the requel election. They would
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Speaker 3: upgrade in technology over time, and they would do that
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Speaker 3: with the Chinese.
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Speaker 1: So, for those who don't know, in Venezuela, the Maduro
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Speaker 1: didn't win, but then all of a sudden he won, right, well.
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Speaker 3: This was he was actually ye understand something, Maduro not Maduro.
19:02
Speaker 3: But let's go to It started with Hugo Chavez, right,
19:04
Speaker 3: He tried to coop in ninety three, it failed, he
19:06
Speaker 3: went to jail, he was released, ran for office in
19:09
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety eight one legally in the recall election. He
19:13
Speaker 3: knew he was in trouble. The Cubans told them. And
19:15
Speaker 3: so they flipped what was going to be a sixty
19:17
Speaker 3: forty loss to a sixty forty win.
19:19
Speaker 1: Wow.
19:20
Speaker 3: And the Carter Center was down there said, this is
19:22
Speaker 3: the most wonderful election ever. These machines are wonderful. Holy cow. Right.
19:27
Speaker 3: And so then they then they stole elections in places
19:31
Speaker 3: like we.
19:31
Speaker 1: They surprise it worked, Gary. Were they surprised it worked?
19:34
Speaker 3: No, they were thrilled. They knew it was going to work.
19:36
Speaker 3: Good engineers. They had three US Venezuelan engineers that were
19:40
Speaker 3: trained at Simone Boulevard, which is linked to MIT. They
19:43
Speaker 3: knew what they were doing. They knew exactly what they
19:46
Speaker 3: were doing. And you know, they controlled the ground, They
19:49
Speaker 3: had the government, they had the people there. They could
19:51
Speaker 3: they fixed it. They rigged it, and then if you complained,
19:53
Speaker 3: they could throw you in jail or worse. And so
19:56
Speaker 3: what would happen is is they entered the US market
19:59
Speaker 3: first as Smart Mattic and they entered into Cook County.
20:05
Speaker 3: In Cook County, big surprise. That's where you know, Kennedy
20:07
Speaker 3: sold the election from Nixon, you know, in nineteen sixty.
20:10
Speaker 3: But they went there in two thousand and eight, two
20:13
Speaker 3: thousand and six, in two thousand and eight, and then
20:15
Speaker 3: they also were in New Jersey and a congresswoman named
20:19
Speaker 3: Carol and Maloney wrote a letter to Secretary of Treasury
20:21
Speaker 3: John Snow saying, hey, these Venezuelans are here. They're stealing elections.
20:25
Speaker 3: And she named the technology. She must she had a
20:27
Speaker 3: very good source, and so Scyphius went after them. That's
20:31
Speaker 3: a body, a congressional body that does investigations and foreign
20:34
Speaker 3: investments in the US. And so they were forced them
20:37
Speaker 3: to sell the company to you know, they were forced
20:40
Speaker 3: to sell to a company called Sequoia. They've been running
20:46
Speaker 3: elections for years, but Scyphius investigated them there and they
20:49
Speaker 3: had to get rid of it. And so what happens
20:51
Speaker 3: is Ultimate is Dominion, a company in Toronto, Canada that
20:55
Speaker 3: had been a startup up there had been around for
20:57
Speaker 3: eight years and only one run one election, a local
21:00
Speaker 3: election in Toronto, winds up, you know, buying the company
21:07
Speaker 3: and they get the hardware from Smartmatic and they've got
21:11
Speaker 3: the machines. Now all they've got to do is integrate
21:14
Speaker 3: the software and so this company, Dominion will use the
21:19
Speaker 3: software in this technology in the United States and Smartmatic
21:23
Speaker 3: con continues as an entity in Venezuela, but it becomes
21:27
Speaker 3: a global entity. So they sign an agreement where Smartmatic
21:31
Speaker 3: will run elections slash steal elections globally and then Dominion
21:36
Speaker 3: will run elections slash steal elections in the United States.
21:40
Speaker 3: So they have an agreement between the two of them,
21:43
Speaker 3: and this is so they divide it up that way.
21:46
Speaker 3: The Chinese begin manufacturing the hardware for all of this
21:51
Speaker 3: technology in Red China, sixty miles from Beijing. They ship
21:57
Speaker 3: the hardware to Taiwan, and then Taiwan they white label
22:01
Speaker 3: it as manufactured in Taiwan, and they manufacture all this
22:06
Speaker 3: stuff for all these companies. Wow, you know, it's just
22:08
Speaker 3: not Smartmatic. There's other companies here. I don't want to
22:11
Speaker 3: say their names because I don't want to be sued
22:13
Speaker 3: by them right now, but there's a couple of other
22:15
Speaker 3: election companies.
22:16
Speaker 1: Hold on, so you're not afraid to be sued by
22:18
Speaker 1: by Sequoia, Dominion or Smartmatic.
22:21
Speaker 3: Well the other company. No, Look, we've had this book
22:23
Speaker 3: out for a year. We have all the evidence on them.
22:26
Speaker 3: We have their engineers, we have their damn source code.
22:30
Speaker 3: Nobody's suing me.
22:31
Speaker 1: Did they threaten you that? Did they threaten you?
22:35
Speaker 3: Oh? They wrote us a letter. They wrote me a letter.
22:37
Speaker 1: But you better stop it.
22:38
Speaker 3: I mean, man, like, what are you kidding me? You know,
22:41
Speaker 3: please sue me. I wish they would do me a
22:43
Speaker 3: favor in sue me so we can go to Discovery
22:45
Speaker 3: together and then I can counter sue them. But they
22:47
Speaker 3: won't sue me.
22:49
Speaker 1: Gary, let me, let me. Let me ask you a
22:51
Speaker 1: question that I think a lot of people watching and
22:52
Speaker 1: listening want to know. The introview. It's Gary Burnson, former
22:54
Speaker 1: CIA A senior operations officer. He's the guy that blew
22:57
Speaker 1: the whistle on all this election hijen, SIT's go going on?
23:01
Speaker 1: When we're watching this go on? In your heart? You
23:03
Speaker 1: know this from your research, but in your heart of hearts?
23:06
Speaker 1: Are they doing it because they think they're right? Are
23:08
Speaker 1: they doing it for power and control? Are they doing
23:11
Speaker 1: it because they think that they know best for the
23:13
Speaker 1: rest of us? And that's why your cragise doesn't matter. Really,
23:16
Speaker 1: what's the big reason?
23:18
Speaker 3: Look, it's money, it's ideology. But listen, I'm not the
23:22
Speaker 3: lone ranger. I got a business not partner by the
23:24
Speaker 3: name of Martin Rodeal right, and also mister Patrick Burne
23:27
Speaker 3: jumped in with us, and Patrick put his fortune on
23:30
Speaker 3: the line. He spent tens of millions of dollars helping
23:32
Speaker 3: us recruit these engineers. Patrick was with those engineers in
23:36
Speaker 3: different places. He did a he played a big role.
23:38
Speaker 3: Mike Flynn came in and helped us, came out and
23:41
Speaker 3: met with the engineers. So there are other people in
23:44
Speaker 3: the country. Martin and I were business partners and as whistleblowers,
23:47
Speaker 3: and then there's a small group of people that joined
23:51
Speaker 3: us and helped us. But there's something that I have
23:54
Speaker 3: to tell you please, is that they in the United
23:59
Speaker 3: State USAID was funding an entity called STEPS, the Consortium
24:06
Speaker 3: for Election Production you know at Cepps, Okay, And they
24:11
Speaker 3: spent six point nine billion dollars on it, and essentially
24:15
Speaker 3: it paid for Smartmatic to steal elections globally. So tax
24:21
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24:24
Speaker 3: USAID over to STEPS that was created by George Soros
24:28
Speaker 3: and his people, and then that helped steal elections in
24:31
Speaker 3: at least seventy countries around the world pay for that.
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Speaker 1: This is an unbelievable day. And again, as I said,
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25:50
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26:02
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26:13
Speaker 3: First things first, we need to defend the midterm elections.
26:18
Speaker 3: We went to them as soon as Trump got elected.
26:20
Speaker 3: We went right into the DNA's office and in the
26:22
Speaker 3: first two months we were over there three times briefing them.
26:25
Speaker 3: But everybody slow walked everything. They didn't report the even
26:29
Speaker 3: Tulsi that we were there. They weren't sharing the information
26:32
Speaker 3: that we were giving them. They were trying to conceal
26:35
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26:40
Speaker 3: of course, was at war with US. FBI officers were
26:43
Speaker 3: told not to cooperate with US and to stand down
26:46
Speaker 3: from contact with US. They did everything possible to block
26:49
Speaker 3: US because they wanted to get up to the midterm,
26:52
Speaker 3: because their goal is to steal the midterm in the
26:54
Speaker 3: United States. So I'm not worried about prosecutions first, I'm
26:58
Speaker 3: worried about protecting them midterm.
27:00
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this, with what he released
27:02
Speaker 1: last night and what you put out there for years now,
27:05
Speaker 1: can the president, because of actual evidence, actual proofs, say
27:10
Speaker 1: you may not use those machines this November.
27:12
Speaker 3: Does he have the ability? Yeah, he does. He can
27:14
Speaker 3: use PDD twenty one Presidential it's PPD President Policy Directive
27:20
Speaker 3: twenty one. Okay, he doesn't even need the Save America Act.
27:23
Speaker 3: And he can outlaw all electronic voting machines because they're
27:28
Speaker 3: part of critical infrastructure. He has that power. He should
27:31
Speaker 3: do that, and very quickly we need to transition over
27:34
Speaker 3: to paper ballots, hand count paper ballot. If India could
27:40
Speaker 3: do it for many, many years with a billion people,
27:42
Speaker 3: I think we could manage it.
27:43
Speaker 2: Wow.
27:43
Speaker 1: We think so India, you know, has I think it's
27:45
Speaker 1: six hundred thirty million voters. Actually, they have the lot
27:48
Speaker 1: of people over there. They figure it out. They have
27:50
Speaker 1: the count that night. So let me ask you about
27:52
Speaker 1: what's going on now. Is California implicated in any of this?
27:55
Speaker 1: Why do they take a month and a half to
27:56
Speaker 1: count votes?
27:57
Speaker 3: You know, ironically, when they up the war, when they
28:00
Speaker 3: cut up the world, smart Manic and dominion smart Matic
28:04
Speaker 3: did remain only in one place in the United States,
28:08
Speaker 3: and that's Los Angeles County. No, no way, Smartmatic District.
28:11
Speaker 1: Yes, we said this recent election for mayor was smart Manic.
28:15
Speaker 3: Yes, of course it is. While the president of smart
28:18
Speaker 3: Manic is in jail down to Miami and they're still
28:21
Speaker 3: using machine and they're still using their machines. Of course.
28:23
Speaker 1: I mean you saw this. You saw that the third
28:25
Speaker 1: place person conceded the night of and then she became
28:28
Speaker 1: second place within a week or nine days, and Special
28:32
Speaker 1: Pratt suddenly is out. Is there a way to retroactively
28:36
Speaker 1: go back and see what the machines did? Or I
28:38
Speaker 1: know that there's no wherewithal there. They don't want to.
28:40
Speaker 1: Gavenusrom doesn't want to. Karen masth doesn't want to, but
28:42
Speaker 1: can you?
28:42
Speaker 3: Technologically depends on the in the method of theft. There's
28:47
Speaker 3: lots of methods of theft. Like I had explained to
28:50
Speaker 3: others that there are fourteen different technologies that they put
28:54
Speaker 3: inside the machines, in the hardware that go after the tabulator,
28:57
Speaker 3: go after the scanners, go after the you know, the
29:00
Speaker 3: brain of the computer. There's all sorts of entries. There's
29:03
Speaker 3: there's multiple ways to steal this thing. Uh, they've you know,
29:09
Speaker 3: they I explained also too. You know, it's like this
29:12
Speaker 3: is the science of elections theft. So it's stealing elections
29:15
Speaker 3: and defeating audit. So I'll give you this something. Audit's
29:18
Speaker 3: important because what they'll do is is when you have
29:20
Speaker 3: the absentee ballots, they're put on a scanner right takes
29:23
Speaker 3: a picture and it saves it saves the picture, saves
29:26
Speaker 3: a picture, and when it gets to save it and
29:28
Speaker 3: put it in for the count, they put all hundred
29:31
Speaker 3: of these ballots together and then it disappears. And what
29:34
Speaker 3: they were doing was they were running our elections from
29:37
Speaker 3: from Belgrade, Serbia on servers there and then they would send
29:41
Speaker 3: in a new picture from there and it would have
29:43
Speaker 3: one hundred votes for Joe Biden. And you know, and
29:46
Speaker 3: and then if you did an audit, you weren't allowed
29:49
Speaker 3: to look at the physical ballots in the box you're
29:52
Speaker 3: on an audit, You're only allowed to look on the machine.
29:56
Speaker 1: The machine one that produces it. The machine is which
29:59
Speaker 1: is the one that was.
30:00
Speaker 3: Made by the Chinese, And and and and to make
30:03
Speaker 3: things worse Joe, is that many of the companies are
30:07
Speaker 3: private companies that do the audit the cartel, they also
30:11
Speaker 3: own the companies that would do in the audit.
30:13
Speaker 1: So going into Venezuela, you and I can agree that
30:16
Speaker 1: the president went and got Maduro because he was the
30:18
Speaker 1: leader of this cartel and they had a lot to
30:20
Speaker 1: do with the elections.
30:21
Speaker 3: It was part of it. That and the massive drug
30:23
Speaker 3: smuggling bowl. Look, that cartel sold two point seven trillion
30:29
Speaker 3: dollars and has been conducting offensive operations with our enemies
30:33
Speaker 3: against us. So that's why they went down and took
30:36
Speaker 3: Nicholas Maduro. And they need to remove Delsi and the
30:40
Speaker 3: rest of them because they're very bad people.
30:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, she's played all right now. I mean she's
30:45
Speaker 1: saying yes or no, sir right now. But you're right.
30:46
Speaker 1: She was his vice.
30:47
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no, for a reason. She's lying every
30:49
Speaker 3: day she says yes and then she does something else.
30:51
Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter is this. Look, you know,
30:54
Speaker 3: you know that the president has not been well served.
30:58
Speaker 3: People have not told him the true about everything. If
31:01
Speaker 3: you had to go back in history and you looked
31:02
Speaker 3: at Delsi Rodriguez and her brother Jorge Jorge Rodriguez, her
31:06
Speaker 3: brother ran the CNE the electoral machines. He's the father
31:09
Speaker 3: of these voting system Okay, her brother, but their father,
31:14
Speaker 3: the two of them, when they were preteens, was a
31:18
Speaker 3: guy named Jose Antonio Rodriguez, and he was a terrorist.
31:23
Speaker 3: And he kept at an American citizen by the name
31:26
Speaker 3: of Nighthouse and held him in the jungle and tortured him. Wow,
31:29
Speaker 3: and and he was captured. They captured and saved Nighthouse.
31:34
Speaker 3: But then and so her mother married somebody who she
31:37
Speaker 3: married was Carlos the Jackal, the terrorists. He was a
31:40
Speaker 3: Veneset whale. That was the guy that that So their
31:43
Speaker 3: father was a terrorist, their stepfather was a terrorist. I mean,
31:46
Speaker 3: you know this isn't you know? These people don't have
31:48
Speaker 3: family values.
31:48
Speaker 1: You know, as we know, no, no, I get it
31:51
Speaker 1: is there is there.
31:52
Speaker 3: A way to have a boyfriend? Was one of the
31:54
Speaker 3: three engineers who who built the system.
31:57
Speaker 1: Well, I hope that the president Center circle knows this
31:59
Speaker 1: is there a way to have are in for election Venezuela.
32:01
Speaker 3: Right now, it's gonna have to be on paper. Yeah,
32:05
Speaker 3: they can't use the machines, of course not. They're gonna
32:07
Speaker 3: you know, and when they have that, the winner will
32:10
Speaker 3: be Maria Corina Machada, the Nobel Prize winner. Right. Her
32:13
Speaker 3: numbers there are over eighty four percent. Dyelsey just spent
32:17
Speaker 3: the last week or two before her the earthquakes traveling
32:21
Speaker 3: around trying to you know, improve her image, and her
32:23
Speaker 3: numbers are like fourteen percent. Yeah, and Maria Karina is
32:26
Speaker 3: at eighty four percent.
32:27
Speaker 1: Well, nobody there is gonna want Yeah, nobody there's gonna
32:30
Speaker 1: want to left over from from Maduro. Not not a chance.
32:32
Speaker 3: No, he's gotta go.
32:33
Speaker 1: She's a placeholder. But they have to have an election soon.
32:35
Speaker 1: They've been taking too long. Let me finish with this, Gary,
32:38
Speaker 1: we got to do this again because as this unfolds,
32:40
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a lot more that comes out. And
32:42
Speaker 1: you're the expert on this, and I really appreciate you
32:43
Speaker 1: jumping on today. Let me finish with this. If you
32:46
Speaker 1: had the ability to fix the inner sanctum of the
32:49
Speaker 1: intelligence agencies in this country because they are dirty, they're politicized,
32:54
Speaker 1: they're a star chamber. They don't take orders from anybody,
32:56
Speaker 1: what do you do? Can do you start all over?
32:58
Speaker 1: Can you just get rid of them and say here's
33:00
Speaker 1: a new agency? What do you do?
33:02
Speaker 3: First off, I would take the do the director of Operations,
33:06
Speaker 3: and I would tear it out of the CIA. I
33:09
Speaker 3: would create a new what we call DSS, Director of
33:11
Speaker 3: Strategic Services that will do operations. I would leave the
33:15
Speaker 3: remainder of the CIA as a large analytical component. Okay.
33:19
Speaker 3: Then I would create a counter intelligence service that does
33:23
Speaker 3: nothing but hunt spies within our government. That is what
33:27
Speaker 3: MI I five does in the UK. So I would
33:29
Speaker 3: create an MI five type organization and I would have
33:32
Speaker 3: a DSS and I would destroy the agency as it
33:36
Speaker 3: exists now.
33:37
Speaker 1: Is it fixable because it is massive?
33:40
Speaker 3: No, it's not fixable. You're going to have to start over.
33:42
Speaker 3: You have so many people. They have failed at vetting people.
33:46
Speaker 3: They have created a cadre of leftists that are in
33:49
Speaker 3: power during the Obama administration, they partnered with our enemies
33:54
Speaker 3: around the world. They partnered with the venez Zellans and
33:57
Speaker 3: the Cubans, and they were, you know, assisting the Iranians.
34:01
Speaker 3: They did things that they should be ashamed of.
34:03
Speaker 1: Do you think Obama knew?
34:05
Speaker 3: Of course, he knew. He was the architect of it all.
34:08
Speaker 1: Well, Tulsey Gabbard said as much. But again, is he
34:11
Speaker 1: because he was the president and he's got presidential immunity?
34:14
Speaker 1: Can he not be touched?
34:16
Speaker 2: No?
34:16
Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna be very difficult, But he bran.
34:18
Speaker 1: How about Clapper? How about you know down the lines?
34:21
Speaker 1: How did it struck his page? Get off on what
34:23
Speaker 1: these guys.
34:23
Speaker 3: Those guys are exposed. They should be charged.
34:26
Speaker 1: It is Gary Burns, and go get this book called
34:28
Speaker 1: Stolen Elections written by Ralph Pezzulo. Gary, anything you want
34:31
Speaker 1: to leave my audience with, because this is all very
34:33
Speaker 1: very fresh. What do you think we're going to find
34:35
Speaker 1: out in the coming days, weeks and months? And do
34:37
Speaker 1: you think there will be safe this November to go
34:39
Speaker 1: and vote.
34:41
Speaker 3: The president has the power to outlaw the machines, and
34:46
Speaker 3: he should. Last night was the first step. And I
34:49
Speaker 3: applaud him for declassifying the documents. This is going to
34:53
Speaker 3: be a phased approach, and that's what I think he's doing.
34:58
Speaker 3: It would be too much to have, you know, done
35:00
Speaker 3: all the steps that need to be to be done.
35:02
Speaker 3: So the first thing was present what the problem is,
35:06
Speaker 3: and do a declassification. That was the first step. That
35:10
Speaker 3: was fine. He's released some documents. He didn't claim that
35:14
Speaker 3: Venezuela was stealing elections. But if you look at the documents,
35:17
Speaker 3: some of those documents, and I can send you some
35:19
Speaker 3: of them from the White House documents, those clearly showed
35:22
Speaker 3: that they knew what the machine could do and what
35:24
Speaker 3: they were doing. They knew that they were stealing elections.
35:27
Speaker 3: And the very fact in twenty twenty that they did
35:29
Speaker 3: not inform the president of these threats. When the president
35:33
Speaker 3: lost his election, they participated in a coup. Yes, the
35:38
Speaker 3: IC participated in a coup. They violated the law, they
35:43
Speaker 3: violated their oaths. Shame on them. They should be fired,
35:47
Speaker 3: they should dismantle the organization. They need to rebuild something new.
35:51
Speaker 1: Go get this book now. It's called Stolen Elections. It's
35:53
Speaker 1: the research and the work done by this of this
35:54
Speaker 1: man whistleblower Gary Berntson. Ralph Pazzulo wrote it. And who
35:58
Speaker 1: was your partner again, I don't want to leave Martinez.
36:00
Speaker 3: Caine, Rodeal and there are other people. And then Patrick Byrne.
36:03
Speaker 3: You can't forget him. He was big in it. General
36:05
Speaker 3: Mike Flynn, Colonel Phil Waldron, you know, the Colonel Conrad Reynolds.
36:11
Speaker 3: There's a lot of guys that stepped up and helped
36:14
Speaker 3: us and carried, you know, carried our packs together. We
36:17
Speaker 3: all put our shoulder to the wheel. And for the
36:19
Speaker 3: last couple of years we've been at war with the IC.
36:22
Speaker 1: Do you feel like indicated?
36:23
Speaker 2: Gary?
36:24
Speaker 3: Against us?
36:24
Speaker 1: You feel vindicated?
36:27
Speaker 3: You know I wasn't looking for vindication. I have children
36:29
Speaker 3: and grandchildren. I need them to live in a free country.
36:31
Speaker 1: Yes, that's what this is about, exactly right. This is
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