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Sharri | 17 February · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why on Sky News Binness and.
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Speaker 2: Sharry, Thanks Andrew Good Evening tonight, I can reveal the
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Speaker 2: ISIS brides trying to return to Australia have not been
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Speaker 2: interviewed by our authorities in more than three years, and
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Speaker 2: three of the group are considered high risk. I'll bring
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Speaker 2: you this exclusive shortly. Also on the show, Network nine
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Speaker 2: Networks bombshell seven hundred thousand dollars hush money payment to
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Speaker 2: silence a key witness in the Ben Robert Smith case.
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Speaker 2: The lengths they went to cover this up. Soldier Heston
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Speaker 2: Russell will get stuck in in a moment. Angus Taylor
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Speaker 2: has promoted top talent who were dumped under Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: New Shadow Defense Minister James Patterson will be up in
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Speaker 2: just a minute. And the controversy over Pauline Hansen's attack
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Speaker 2: on Australian Muslims here on the show last night. But
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Speaker 2: first to our exclusive on the ISIS cohort trying to
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Speaker 2: travel to Australia, where we can tonight reveal that police
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Speaker 2: and security agencies are highly concerned about the risk that
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Speaker 2: three of the adults in this group pose and shockingly,
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Speaker 2: Australian authorities haven't been able to interview the group in
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Speaker 2: more than three almost four years. Now this is a
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Speaker 2: crucial point. Twenty twenty two was the last time interviews
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Speaker 2: were done with the ISIS group who now want to
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Speaker 2: travel to Australia, and they've spent the last decade in
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Speaker 2: a camp with many terrorists in Syria. Based on assessments,
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Speaker 2: there are deep concerns about at least three of the
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Speaker 2: adults who are believed to be radicalized. It's understood that
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Speaker 2: some of the group had the explicit purpose of joining
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Speaker 2: the fight for Islamic State. Now this is a bloodthirsty
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Speaker 2: terror group that beheaded Westerners. It's likely that police and
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Speaker 2: security agencies will recommend that at least one of the
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Speaker 2: cohort is subject to a temporary exclusion order. This would
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Speaker 2: stop them from returning to Australia. Federal police are also
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Speaker 2: investigating whether others can be arrested on.
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Speaker 3: Their return to Australia.
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Speaker 2: The remainder, including the children, will be subject to surveillance. Now,
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Speaker 2: in total, this is a group of thirty four women
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Speaker 2: and children. But of the so called children, I'm told
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Speaker 2: there are three teenagers, two boys and one girl between
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Speaker 2: the ages of thirteen and seventeen. Now the Opposition leader
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Speaker 2: Angus Taylor today strengthened his position and he said the
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Speaker 2: group shouldn't be traveling to our country, while the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister continued to insist that he had no role in
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Speaker 2: any of this.
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Speaker 4: These are individuals who chose to associate with a terrorist caliphate.
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Speaker 4: This is not aligned with the values we as Australians
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Speaker 4: believe in democracy, the rule of law, our basic freedoms,
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Speaker 4: including freedom of religion. The door must be shut to
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Speaker 4: people who do not believe in those things.
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Speaker 5: But we are not repatriating these people.
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Speaker 6: How will you seek to stop them from coming to
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Speaker 6: Australian them, Well.
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Speaker 5: We're not repatriating them.
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Speaker 7: We use, for example, the opposition suggestion of the temporary
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Speaker 7: exclusion order.
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Speaker 8: Well, what we will do are national security issues as
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Speaker 8: we deal with it appropriately.
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Speaker 2: As you know, passports have been issued to the group
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Speaker 2: by the Australian government, but the government.
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Speaker 3: Insists it's not organizing transpot.
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Speaker 2: Now this story goes deep. You'll remember that Tony Burke
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Speaker 2: met with the group organizing to bring the group of
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Speaker 2: isis brides home. They're showing the Australian story, but actually
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Speaker 2: I broke that story here on this show, and that
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Speaker 2: meeting was in Tony Burke's punch Bowl electured office on
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Speaker 2: June the thirteenth last year. Attending that meeting was doctor
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Speaker 2: and Muslim community leader Jamal Riffi. As The Nightly first
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Speaker 2: reported and I've confirmed its accurate, Riffi is now in
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Speaker 2: Syria trying to help the Isis group come to Australia.
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Speaker 2: Now it's well known that Jamal Riffi is a close
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Speaker 2: friend of Tony Burke's. Tony Burke even asked his Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs official to leave the meeting when he was meeting
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Speaker 2: with the Save the Children group when he was meeting
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Speaker 2: to discuss the return of these Isis brides, so called
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Speaker 2: Isis brides. As I mentioned, we broke this story in
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Speaker 2: early December, Tony Burke told a private meeting attended by
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs officials that he would not block the return
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Speaker 2: of Isis brides and he wanted the whole matter kept
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Speaker 2: out of the media. Explosive government documents reveal that Burke
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Speaker 2: also had a private, closed door discussion with the charity
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Speaker 2: organizing the Isis bride's repatriation and he asked Home Affairs
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Speaker 2: officials to leave the room for that conversation, and then
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Speaker 2: there were plans also discussed for Tony Burke to help.
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Speaker 3: The ISIS group after they had returned to Australia.
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Speaker 2: This handwritten note from Home Affair Secretary Stephanie Foster also
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Speaker 2: appears to record Burke saying that assistance would be provided
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Speaker 2: to the ISIS Brides after they returned to Australia. It's
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Speaker 2: very clear that the Albaneze government has misled Australians about
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Speaker 2: the nature of their involvement in the return of the
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Speaker 2: ISIS Brides from the very start. From the very moment
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Speaker 2: Leah Mendes broke this story in the front page of
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Speaker 2: The Australian, the Prime Minister stood up in Parliament and
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Speaker 2: said it was all wrong, and it wasn't And now
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Speaker 2: tonight our revelation that security agencies haven't even interviewed the
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Speaker 2: Cohort in more than three years is extremely concerning. Now
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Speaker 2: to the bombshell story Nine sought to keep secret for
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Speaker 2: fifty years. You may recall we brought you the scoop
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Speaker 2: that the Nine network had paid seven hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 2: in hush money to cover up downing revelations against their
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Speaker 2: star reporter Nick McKenzie. The secret payment was made to
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Speaker 2: a key witness in their war crimes case. This woman
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Speaker 2: alleged that Nick McKenzie and nine had unlawfully obtained Ben
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Speaker 2: Roberts Smith's confidential emails and his legal strategy. Now, this
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Speaker 2: was right before his appeal against Nine were set to begin.
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Speaker 2: If they had obtained Ben Roberts Smith's confidential and privileged
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Speaker 2: legal strategy, it could have amounted to interfering in the
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Speaker 2: administration of justice.
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Speaker 3: Now, instead of.
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Speaker 2: Taking this information to the judge, Nine paid the woman
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Speaker 2: money to cover it up. They asked her to sign
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Speaker 2: an NDA, a non disclosure agreement, all to shut this down,
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Speaker 2: along with other downing allegations, allegations that were captured in
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Speaker 2: an audio recording between the woman, the witness, and Nick McKenzie.
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Speaker 9: Aflactically breaking us on his legal shapity. Who respected you
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Speaker 9: like this?
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Speaker 10: And yet we're not learning We anticipated most of it.
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Speaker 10: One or two things now we know which is which
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Speaker 10: is helpful. But at the point the rest I told
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Speaker 10: you that is to say, like, you know.
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Speaker 9: We've got this and and they're not hostile to you
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Speaker 9: despite your worst fears.
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Speaker 5: They're not.
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Speaker 10: No, I shouldn't tell you I've just reached my ethics
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Speaker 10: and doing that like this is where like this has
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Speaker 10: took me in isship position. Now like if they knew that,
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Speaker 10: and Peter you that I get No one knows about
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Speaker 10: the police investigation. It's especially if I'm going place investigation
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Speaker 10: phone Tabs task force.
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Speaker 5: A whole new task force.
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Speaker 9: Has been stood up in Brisbane.
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Speaker 5: An entire new task force.
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Speaker 10: There's police living in his apartment block under assumed identities
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Speaker 10: as we.
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Speaker 3: Speak, Like the guys, this is a major scandal.
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Speaker 2: It includes obtaining private emails, a hush money payment and
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Speaker 2: major cover up and then a bid to suppress all
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Speaker 2: of this in court for fifty years now. This is
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Speaker 2: disgraceful unethical conduct from one of Australia's leading media companies.
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Speaker 2: And it wasn't unethical conduct by a rogue journalist. It
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Speaker 2: was by their supposedly top journalist. The payment and the
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Speaker 2: cover up was then sanctioned by senior newspaper executives.
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Speaker 3: And their legal team.
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Speaker 2: Now put it this way, this is a company that
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Speaker 2: kicked all of Justin Hems's restaurants out of its Good
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Speaker 2: Food Guide when allegations were made about some of them.
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Speaker 2: I mean by the same principle, should all Nine journalists,
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Speaker 2: and especially McKenzie be disqualified from the Journalism Awards. This
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Speaker 2: is a company that hypocritically claims to support independent journalism,
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Speaker 2: freedom of information, yet they tried to keep secret their
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Speaker 2: own dirty laundry. So you've got to ask why did
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Speaker 2: Nine pay such a massive amount of money seven hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. Well, they paid it after the woman sent
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Speaker 2: explosive emails to Nine threatening to tell the appeal Court
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Speaker 2: that the media company had unlawfully obtained ben Robert Smith's
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Speaker 2: privileged legal strategy. The email from the woman who claimed
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Speaker 2: she'd had an affair with Robert Smith was sent to
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Speaker 2: Nine executive Tory Maguire and their executive counsel Lorena Alec
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Speaker 2: in March twenty twenty three. The woman wrote, and I'll quote,
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Speaker 2: there is a mountain of evidence of Nick telling me
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Speaker 2: what these women were supposedly saying prior to giving evidence,
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Speaker 2: which does not align with what Emma has now said
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Speaker 2: on oath.
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Speaker 3: How do you explain that.
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Speaker 2: I know these women were passing on confidential and privileged
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Speaker 2: information to Nick as far back as mid to late
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty What are you going to do when all
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Speaker 2: of that comes out to the judge. She also claimed
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Speaker 2: that there'd been and I quote a behind the scenes
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Speaker 2: corrupting of the process. She wrote in an email, if
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Speaker 2: you have to lie and cheat to win, then you
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be playing the game at all. When the witness
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Speaker 2: asked McKenzie if he could guarantee his promises, the journalist
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Speaker 2: allegedly replied McKenzie responded to p. Seventeen, that's the woman's
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Speaker 2: question by saying.
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Speaker 3: I am Fairfax. I am Fairfax.
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Speaker 2: Imagine the arrogance of someone thinking they are their employer's company.
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Speaker 2: The witness also had that damning audio tape where McKenzie
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Speaker 2: claimed Ben Robert Smith's ex wife Emma and her friend
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Speaker 2: Danielle had briefed him on part of their legal strategy.
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Speaker 3: Just listen to that key bit again, the.
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Speaker 10: Actively briefing us on his leadership to you respected you
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Speaker 10: like piss and yet we're not learning. We anticipated most
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Speaker 10: of it. One or two things now we know, which
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Speaker 10: is helpful. But no, I shouldn't tell you. I've just
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Speaker 10: reached my ethics and doing that like this is where
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Speaker 10: like this has took leadership shit.
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Speaker 5: Now like if they knew that and pad to knew that,
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Speaker 5: I can ask hand.
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Speaker 2: Mackenzie, of course, didn't realize he was being recorded when
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Speaker 2: he said all of this. Now, I obtained that bombshell
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Speaker 2: audio recording last year, and then I separately reported that
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Speaker 2: Nine had paid seven hundred thousand dollars in cover up
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Speaker 2: money to stop it from going public.
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Speaker 3: He was a snippet of that report.
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Speaker 2: Nine is tonight under pressure over revelations the media company
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Speaker 2: paid seven hundred thousand dollars in hush money to stop
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Speaker 2: a witness making damning allegations that their network had access
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Speaker 2: to the private emails of war hero Ben Roberts Smith.
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Speaker 2: Now Nine could have owned up to their conduct at
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Speaker 2: the time, but instead of owning up, Nine, in their
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Speaker 2: commitment to journalism, took out a suppression order. To be clear,
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Speaker 2: this woman's allegations of unethical conduct, accusations of unlawfully obtaining
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Speaker 2: emails and then covering them up, was highly damaging and
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Speaker 2: scandalous to the company and the journalist, so much so
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Speaker 2: that Nine sought a suppression order over the deed, which
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Speaker 2: they were granted, and they then applied to keep this
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Speaker 2: suppression order in place for fifty years. I mean, that's
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Speaker 2: twice as long as the secrecy required for cabinet papers. Well,
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Speaker 2: that suppression order has now been lifted. It was lifted
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Speaker 2: last night at midnight. And so while we at Sky
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Speaker 2: News brought you all of this news the entire time,
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Speaker 2: the other media are only now finally reporting on this.
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Speaker 2: It was front page of the Australian newspaper today and
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Speaker 2: it ran big as well in the Daily Telegraph. But
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Speaker 2: still no contrition or explanation from nine Only claims that
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Speaker 2: their journalists deserved credit for their stories on Ben Robert Smith. Well,
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Speaker 2: they did decide to pursue a war hero, but they
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Speaker 2: chose to play dirty. A decorated soldier deserved better, as
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Speaker 2: you know by now, Angus Taylor has unveiled his Coalition
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Speaker 2: front bench today. The headline picks Tim Wilson as Shadow Treasurer.
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Speaker 2: Angus Hasty just into nabagimp elevated to new positions, along
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Speaker 2: with many talented women dumped under Susan Lee. Joining me
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Speaker 2: now is James Patterson, who's the new Shadow Defense Minister.
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Speaker 2: Welcome now, James, you were part of the inner trio.
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Speaker 2: I understand who decided the shadow ministry. So what message
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Speaker 2: were you sending with this new front.
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Speaker 11: Bench well shar front bench is always a matter for
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Speaker 11: a leader, but of course I provide my best advice
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Speaker 11: to Angus Taylor or any other leader who seeks it,
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Speaker 11: and I'm really excited about the front bench that he
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Speaker 11: has unveiled today. It puts some top performers back in
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Speaker 11: frontline roles, people like Andrew Hasty and just Into namaging
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Speaker 11: Proprice I'm delighted to see in prominent roles again. It
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Speaker 11: brings forward some new talent in new roles, like Tim
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Speaker 11: Wilson's shadow Treasurer who will be absolutely formidable, Clear Chandler's
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Speaker 11: shadow Finance Minister, and also seeing Jane Hume return to
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Speaker 11: a senior economic role, which is a critical focus for us.
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Speaker 11: And there'll be some names that are probably not household
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Speaker 11: names yet but I think we'll be in the future,
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Speaker 11: people like Aaron Violi and Madow Sullivan who are getting
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Speaker 11: their start in the out of ministry, and some new
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Speaker 11: talent in the junior ranks of the ministry, people like
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Speaker 11: Garth Hamilton and Henry Pike been small at many others
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Speaker 11: and really beefed up policy development capability that Angus has
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Speaker 11: signaled as a real priority with Zoe McKenzie and Simon
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Speaker 11: Kennedy leading that process for us. These are highly capable,
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Speaker 11: highly qualified people who've got a really big intellectual contribution
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Speaker 11: to make to the task ahead. We understand we've got
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Speaker 11: a lot of work to do, but I think we've
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Speaker 11: got an outstanding team to do it.
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Speaker 2: I think the two key areas are national security, which
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Speaker 2: encompasses immigration as well, and then the economy. And I
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Speaker 2: think broadly the Coalition over the past few years has
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Speaker 2: naturally done well on national security, has done well, I
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Speaker 2: mean you in particular when you were shut our Home
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Speaker 2: Affairs minister in holding the Albanzi government to account. But
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Speaker 2: on the economy, I mean we've just had our first
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Speaker 2: interest rate rise. There's so much vulnerability here, but the
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Speaker 2: Coalition hasn't made in roads despite the cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 2: Do you think that Tim Wilson as Shadow Treasurer would
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Speaker 2: do a good job in this regard?
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Speaker 5: Oh?
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Speaker 11: Look, I've got no doubt at all about Tim's capabilities.
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Speaker 11: He's an outstanding campaigner. He's demonstrated that by being the
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Speaker 11: only person to win a seat for the Coalition at
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Speaker 11: the last federal election, taking it off a teal for
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Speaker 11: the first time ever. And of course infamously ran the
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Speaker 11: highly successful campaign under the Morrison government against Billshorten's Franklin
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Speaker 11: credits changes, and right now the Albanezi government is contemplating
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Speaker 11: breaching another election commitment to raise taxes on housing through
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Speaker 11: an increased capital gains tax. Tim will lead the fight
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Speaker 11: against that, but he'll be very ably supported by Claire
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Speaker 11: Chandler as a new Shadow Minister for Finance, who I
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Speaker 11: think is a really sharp brain on this task and
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Speaker 11: a great communicator as well. And as you say, national
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Speaker 11: security continues to be a really important focus. I'm really
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Speaker 11: pleased to be returning to that space, and I'll be
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Speaker 11: working alongside people like Macaulay Cash and Ted O'Brien as
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Speaker 11: Shadow Attorney General and Shadow Foreign Afairs Minister.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So you're obviously now in the defense portfolio, and we
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Speaker 2: know there's been a chronic under investment in defense under
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Speaker 2: the Albanezi government. I mean this was even an issue
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Speaker 2: with the Trump administration. So what do you what will
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Speaker 2: you bring?
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Speaker 4: Way?
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Speaker 3: Are you keen to get stuck into this portfolio?
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Speaker 11: If I do my job well, Shari, then Richard Marles
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Speaker 11: will have an easier job when he fronts up to
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Speaker 11: the expenditure Review Committee and asks for increased defense spending. Now,
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Speaker 11: I can't get Richard over the line, but I hope
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Speaker 11: to get him up to the line and achieve that
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Speaker 11: success because frankly, we can't wait to the next election
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Speaker 11: to increase defense spending because this government is failing to
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Speaker 11: invest right now, and you don't have to take my
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Speaker 11: word for it. The Albanezer government asked Professor Peder Dean
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Speaker 11: and Sirangus Houston, along with Stephen Smith, to conduct a
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Speaker 11: defense strategic review, and since that time, both Serrengus and
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Speaker 11: Professor Dean have publicly said we should be spending at
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Speaker 11: least three percent of GDP on defense, and this government
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Speaker 11: promising only to get to two point three percent several
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Speaker 11: years in the future. That's just not adequate for the
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Speaker 11: strategic environment that we face. It is not meeting the
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Speaker 11: challenge of the moment and we can't afford to delay.
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Speaker 11: So that will be my laser like focus convincing the
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Speaker 11: Albaneza government to invest in defense in the way they need.
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Speaker 2: The isis bride Saga's big news today. We've spoken about
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Speaker 2: it many times before. Look, the Prime Minister says that
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Speaker 2: this cohed have made their own bed but yet it
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Speaker 2: still seems he's going to allow them to travel to Australia.
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Speaker 3: Is that how you read it?
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Speaker 11: Well, it's simply not good enough. The government has powers
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Speaker 11: of able to keep these people offshore. They can apply
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Speaker 11: for temporary exclusion orders to keep them from returning to Australia.
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Speaker 11: And of course it looks like they have once again
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Speaker 11: cooperated by providing at least passports, possibly citizenship by descent
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Speaker 11: to these Isis brides and their dependents so that they
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Speaker 11: can come home to Australia. And I have to say
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Speaker 11: I'm particularly disturbed by the revelations I think was by
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Speaker 11: Andrew Green in the Nightly First today, that Jamal, an
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Speaker 11: offsider of the Home Affairs Minister, is organizing freelance repatriations
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Speaker 11: for members of a terrorist organization to come to our country.
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Speaker 5: Now.
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Speaker 11: Jamal Riffi is the chair of the Friends of Tony Burke.
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Speaker 11: He fundraised for Tony Burke in the election campaign and
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Speaker 11: campaign for him, and it now appears, according to these
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Speaker 11: made reports, he's fundraising and organizing to bring terrorists to Australia.
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Speaker 11: That's appalling and Tony Burke should front up and explain
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Speaker 11: what he knew about this when he knew about it
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Speaker 11: and what he's done.
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Speaker 2: To stop it, especially given the revelations that I just
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Speaker 2: reminded viewers of that Tony Burke had this meeting where
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Speaker 2: he asked the Home of Affairs officials to leave so
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Speaker 2: he could have a private discussion with Save the Children.
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Speaker 11: Well, exactly right, Well, exactly right, Charon. You broke that
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Speaker 11: story several months ago, and it was yet more evidence
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Speaker 11: this is the government that doesn't take national security seriously
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Speaker 11: and has things to hide. Tony Burke every step of
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Speaker 11: the way, has has covered up the way he's managed
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Speaker 11: their return and of previous cohorts of ISIS brides, and
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Speaker 11: so I have zero confidence that he's not doing the
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Speaker 11: same again. The only way he can clear this up
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Speaker 11: is by standing up at a press conference tomorrow and
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Speaker 11: answering all questions until we've got to the bottom of
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Speaker 11: what he knew about this repatriation program being run freelance
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Speaker 11: at by a constituent and supporter.
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Speaker 2: All right, James Patterson, really appreciate your time, and again,
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Speaker 2: congratulations in your new role.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 12: Thanks Jo.
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Speaker 2: Now, I just want to quickly say something about Pauline
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Speaker 2: Hansen's appearance on this show last night in a discussion
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Speaker 2: about the isis brides.
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Speaker 3: The biggest story of the week. It's a discussion we
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Speaker 3: should have.
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Speaker 2: She went further than radical Islamists and she said this
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Speaker 2: highly offensive remark.
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Speaker 13: They hate Westerners and that's what it's all about. You know,
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Speaker 13: you say, oh, well there's good Muslims out there. Well,
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Speaker 13: I'm sorry, how can you tell me there are good Muslims.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there are a lot of moderate Muslims in
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Speaker 2: Australia who are, as you put it, good Muslims. But
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Speaker 2: I think we can agree that radical extremist Islam that
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Speaker 2: doesn't support Australian values has no place here.
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Speaker 3: I just want to pick up on Ni give men
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Speaker 3: that now.
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Speaker 2: Her claim is wrong, unfair and untrue. It smears an
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Speaker 2: entire community and in my view, is divisive at a
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Speaker 2: time when we need to work towards unity. Matt Canavan
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Speaker 2: put it well on Andrew Bolt's show a little earlier.
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Speaker 12: Her statement is clearly inflammatory and wrong. I mean we
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Speaker 12: only have to look at Hmaed l Ahmed just a
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Speaker 12: few months ago, a great Muslim Australia hero, an Australian
22:39
Speaker 12: hero who saved many lives in Bondai by putting his
22:41
Speaker 12: own life at risk confronting those terrible terrorists. So her
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Speaker 12: statement is wrong. She should correct it. She hasn't today.
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Speaker 12: She hasn't repeated it quite because I think she knows
22:51
Speaker 12: it's wrong but doesn't repeat it. But as I say,
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Speaker 12: you just can't go around saying things like this if
22:56
Speaker 12: you want to be a serious leader in Australia.
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Speaker 2: He's right, we can and should be absolutely firm on
23:05
Speaker 2: radical extremism and national security, but we can achieve that
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Speaker 2: without demonizing peaceful, Laura abiding Australians. The vast majority of
23:14
Speaker 2: Australian Muslims belong here, contribute to our nation and share
23:19
Speaker 2: our Australian values, and leaders like Pauline should bring people together,
23:25
Speaker 2: not drive wedges. Now, you know, I've advocated passionately, passionately
23:30
Speaker 2: against anti semitism, and that is just part of my
23:34
Speaker 2: firm belief that racism of any kind, targeting any person
23:38
Speaker 2: has no place in our country. And so I felt
23:41
Speaker 2: really sad. I felt devastated when Pauline made those comments
23:46
Speaker 2: last night, and to hear that they haven't been retracted
23:49
Speaker 2: today either. All right, let's bring in our former Liberal
23:52
Speaker 2: Senator Holly Hughes and GXO Strategies Director former Labor State
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Speaker 2: director Cameron Milner.
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Speaker 3: Great to see both.
24:01
Speaker 2: Look, I want to start with your reaction to Angus
24:03
Speaker 2: Taylor's reshuffle today.
24:05
Speaker 3: Cameron, what did you think.
24:09
Speaker 6: Will actually make a really good shadow treasure match up
24:11
Speaker 6: against Jim Chalmers? And I think there's some other good
24:13
Speaker 6: match ups there as well. I mean, James Patterson you
24:15
Speaker 6: heard about before going up with Richard Miles, So I
24:17
Speaker 6: think he's reset the team really well and let's see
24:20
Speaker 6: how it goes in terms of the next paramentary session.
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Speaker 3: Holly, what do you think? I mean?
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Speaker 2: You know you are a good friend of Susan Lee's.
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Speaker 2: A lot of the people Susan demoted have now been
24:31
Speaker 2: brought back.
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Speaker 14: And look, you know this always happens when you have
24:34
Speaker 14: leadership changes, that people need to be repaid for whatever
24:38
Speaker 14: they did in the leadership battle and destabilization leading up
24:42
Speaker 14: to what happened so quickly in Susan's leadership.
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Speaker 1: I agree with Cameron.
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Speaker 14: I think Tim Wilson is probably the pick of the
24:47
Speaker 14: bunch there after what he did in the Frankin credits.
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Speaker 1: To see hopefully.
24:51
Speaker 14: Someone actually be able to take the fight up to
24:53
Speaker 14: this incredibly inet financed team that we see because it's
24:56
Speaker 14: not just charmers, it's Katie Gallagher as well. I'm sure
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Speaker 14: Tim will really lead the charge on that.
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Speaker 2: Cameron, what do you think of the political play and
25:05
Speaker 2: the political environment more broadly at the minute. You know,
25:08
Speaker 2: we've got this extraordinary rise of one Nation. I mean it,
25:13
Speaker 2: you heard what Pauline had to say last night. It
25:14
Speaker 2: was very unexpected. But you've got this huge support in
25:17
Speaker 2: the Australian voter base for one nation.
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Speaker 3: What is that a reflection of to you?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's a reflection of the weakness of
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Speaker 6: both major parties. I mean everyone thinks it's about the
25:29
Speaker 6: Coalition losing votes to one Nation, but Labour's losing votes
25:31
Speaker 6: to one nation to Pauline Hanson. So Hanson's come through
25:35
Speaker 6: the middle because of weak Albanese and it quite frankly
25:38
Speaker 6: an absent Liberal Party, absent coalition. So if the coaltion
25:41
Speaker 6: get there act together, I suspect that vote will come down.
25:44
Speaker 6: But don't forget that. I think there's Labor votes going
25:46
Speaker 6: to one Nation as well on some of the touchdown
25:48
Speaker 6: issues she's talked about.
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Speaker 2: Meaning immigration, is that that's the main appeal Camera.
25:54
Speaker 6: Absolutely yes, yes, Immigration and a sense of kind of
25:58
Speaker 6: injustice that drives one nation vote the culture of complaint
26:02
Speaker 6: and goodness knows is plenty to complain about with the
26:05
Speaker 6: Albanese government.
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Speaker 2: Holly, what do you think do you think the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party can rebuild or do you think this is now
26:13
Speaker 2: this gradual shifting away from it.
26:15
Speaker 1: Look, I don't know.
26:15
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going to happen.
26:17
Speaker 14: I'm absolutely riveted to what's going to happen in the
26:20
Speaker 14: Pharaoh by election because I think it's going to be
26:22
Speaker 14: really indicative and I think it's unfortunate.
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Speaker 4: You know.
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Speaker 14: Again on your show, Pauline brought out the comments that
26:29
Speaker 14: Jane had made unfortunately, which you know, it's insulting to
26:33
Speaker 14: rule in regional Australians. You know that she can't get
26:36
Speaker 14: a good cup of coffee and she's got to speak
26:37
Speaker 14: slower when she's talking to them.
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Speaker 2: I mean, naturally play those comments and then you can
26:41
Speaker 2: keep talking about it, Holly, because last night I hadn't
26:44
Speaker 2: heard of this from Hits. When Pauline was on, I said,
26:46
Speaker 2: I'd dig them up. We've got them now, let's have
26:48
Speaker 2: a look coming in in a moment, I'd have to
26:55
Speaker 2: speak a lot slower and talk about the regions more
26:59
Speaker 2: often darting Cocky's corner.
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Speaker 1: But no, to be honest, I am too fond of.
27:05
Speaker 3: Good coffee and free markets to join the National.
27:09
Speaker 2: I mean so Holly she of course it's offensive. She
27:12
Speaker 2: was joking, though this has been dredged up now because
27:15
Speaker 2: she's the Deputy Liberal leader. She made them originally in October.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
27:19
Speaker 14: But the problem is is you don't start in a
27:21
Speaker 14: new role with a completely clean slate and you know
27:24
Speaker 14: whether it's well done, fantastic job, angus, whatever the tweety
27:27
Speaker 14: put out about himself was, or you know some of
27:30
Speaker 14: the stuff that he said he was going to repeal
27:32
Speaker 14: tax cuts if you know Peter Dutton was successful at
27:35
Speaker 14: the election. When you've got a leadership team now that
27:38
Speaker 14: are basically writing the ads themselves from their previous statements
27:41
Speaker 14: for one Nation and Labor, I think it will be
27:44
Speaker 14: problematic for them going forward. And you know, we just
27:47
Speaker 14: opened a cafe at our pub today.
27:49
Speaker 3: Let me tell you the coffee is pretty.
27:50
Speaker 14: It's a bloody good Jane if you'd like one.
27:53
Speaker 5: But it is a country.
27:54
Speaker 3: People don't like that.
27:55
Speaker 5: They don't like being spoken down.
27:57
Speaker 14: To, of course, and it might be funny, and it
27:59
Speaker 14: might be very funny in the streets of Tuac, not
28:02
Speaker 14: very funny when you're out in the bush facing drought
28:04
Speaker 14: and flood or fires or whatever. It might be that
28:06
Speaker 14: people deride your way of.
28:07
Speaker 3: Life, Cameron.
28:09
Speaker 2: You know, on the one hand, Angus Taylor clearly will
28:14
Speaker 2: be you know, it'll be a more formidable opposition than
28:17
Speaker 2: under Susan Lee. But on the other there's a lot
28:20
Speaker 2: more material for labor to work with.
28:22
Speaker 4: Right.
28:24
Speaker 5: There is.
28:25
Speaker 6: And look, you Taylor and Hrem were senior people in
28:28
Speaker 6: Peter Dutton's team and both had pulling campaign records, terrible records.
28:31
Speaker 6: So they've got to really fundamentally improve. Now they did
28:34
Speaker 6: the mere Cooper, Let's see where they actually understand. What's
28:36
Speaker 6: saying sorry really means? Is acting differently and campaigning differently?
28:42
Speaker 2: All right, just another topic now. The ABC's Media Watch
28:45
Speaker 2: has toyn into four Corners for its heavy reliance on
28:49
Speaker 2: one disgruntled source to attack Azio.
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Speaker 15: Have a quick look at the heart of four corners
28:55
Speaker 15: attempt to find an answer was a man code named Marcus.
28:59
Speaker 15: There are issues which affect his credibility, as the ABC
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Speaker 15: did report.
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Speaker 1: The relationship between Azo and Marcus ultimately fell apart. He
29:08
Speaker 1: was charged with assault and stalking in twenty twenty two.
29:13
Speaker 1: His charges were later withdrawn and dismissed. That AZIO pulled
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Speaker 1: its support for his permanent residency and he left the
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Speaker 1: country in twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 15: It was a critical disclosure, but one which the audience
29:25
Speaker 15: only learned thirty four minutes into the program.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Holly, relying on one disgruntled and discredited source
29:33
Speaker 2: to attack Asio is pretty performed.
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Speaker 14: Well, I'm actually just more shocked that Media Watch actually
29:38
Speaker 14: called out one of their own OBC programs. Normally they're
29:41
Speaker 14: just incredible apologists for some appalling journalism. Well, if that's
29:45
Speaker 14: what we can even call it, that emanates from the
29:47
Speaker 14: ABC at times. So I think, you know, krudos to
29:50
Speaker 14: Media Watch for at least standing up and calling it out.
29:54
Speaker 14: But it is the Left are more interested in pulling
29:56
Speaker 14: down our national security. You know, these are open borders people,
30:00
Speaker 14: you know, they have no concept of what it takes
30:02
Speaker 14: for a national security agency to do its job, and
30:05
Speaker 14: to rely on that sort of source is But then again,
30:09
Speaker 14: we're going to have a Royal Commission. We'll learn lots
30:10
Speaker 14: more in the next year.
30:12
Speaker 2: No exactly, Cameron, what do you think of that? More broadly,
30:16
Speaker 2: on the left, there's this tendency to want to escapegoat
30:19
Speaker 2: Azo rather than focus on the alban Easy government's comprehensive
30:24
Speaker 2: failure over the past two and a bit years.
30:28
Speaker 5: That's right.
30:29
Speaker 6: It just goes to show the ABC stands for always
30:31
Speaker 6: biased coverage. I mean, there are a bunch of lefty
30:33
Speaker 6: people who want to pull out a national institutions, want
30:36
Speaker 6: to attack people like Asio who are defending a nation
30:39
Speaker 6: for goodness sake and doing a really hard job. Well,
30:42
Speaker 6: now these people need to be called out. As you say,
30:44
Speaker 6: wholly amazing that media Watch did. It must have been
30:46
Speaker 6: a slow night for their coverage. But no, I mean
30:48
Speaker 6: the ABC has got a deal. ABC's got to deal
30:50
Speaker 6: with the lefties at the heart of their organization, the
30:52
Speaker 6: editorial bias we see on a daily basis from them,
30:55
Speaker 6: and the fact they cover only some stories certain ways
30:58
Speaker 6: and that's supposedly on taxpayers.
31:01
Speaker 2: Just very quickly, you know, as a labor man yourself, Cameron,
31:04
Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction to what game Tony
31:06
Speaker 2: Burke's playing here with one of his close mates, Jamal
31:10
Speaker 2: RIFFI actually going over to Syria to handle the pass
31:13
Speaker 2: spots for this isis cohort.
31:17
Speaker 6: Oh, this is red hot, This is red hot, and
31:19
Speaker 6: goodness knows, this is a payoff for the votes that
31:22
Speaker 6: he got Jamal Riffi got to save Tony Burke's skin.
31:25
Speaker 6: Watson was gone, Watson was gone for a Muslim candate,
31:28
Speaker 6: except he managed to get Jamal Riffi to help him
31:30
Speaker 6: out with a friends at Tony Burke. And this is
31:32
Speaker 6: the payoff we get that this bloke gets to travel
31:34
Speaker 6: to Syria with Australian passports and basically running it what
31:37
Speaker 6: is largely basically a people smuggling operation to bring isis
31:40
Speaker 6: Bride's Brides a terrorist back to Australia now Albert easttheis
31:44
Speaker 6: to put a stop to this. This is Burke's absolute
31:46
Speaker 6: conflict of interest and he can't possibly be doing the
31:49
Speaker 6: role as Home Affairs Minister given that it looks like
31:51
Speaker 6: a payback for the votes he got at the last election.
31:54
Speaker 3: Wow, what do you think about that? What do you
31:56
Speaker 3: think about that? Hole?
31:57
Speaker 14: I just you know, almost want to applaud Cameron on that.
32:00
Speaker 3: That was very strongence.
32:01
Speaker 14: I've heard it and you couldn't be more correct. I mean,
32:04
Speaker 14: this is absolutely an issue that could continue to blow
32:07
Speaker 14: up for them, and the fact that our national security
32:09
Speaker 14: could be jeopardized for saving Tony Burke's say is just
32:14
Speaker 14: abhorrent and politics at the lowest and.
32:17
Speaker 3: You know it's a breach of Australians trust.
32:19
Speaker 2: I mean, the issue is that could be the perception.
32:22
Speaker 2: We don't know obviously what has really gone on here.
32:25
Speaker 2: You know, Tony Burke is still insisting he's got nothing
32:27
Speaker 2: to do with any of this, But Cameron, that is
32:29
Speaker 2: the perception when we know Jamal Riff is involved with.
32:32
Speaker 6: It, exactly right, And politics is all about perception, is
32:36
Speaker 6: exactly yeah.
32:38
Speaker 2: So so Cameron, you know, knowing these people as you do,
32:42
Speaker 2: do you think they're not concerned about the return of
32:46
Speaker 2: this is societeology or do you think I just I
32:50
Speaker 2: can't understand or comprehend why there's not great a pushback
32:53
Speaker 2: to them coming here.
32:55
Speaker 3: And in fact, you know that handwritten.
32:57
Speaker 2: Note where Tony Burke said appeared to say that he'd
33:00
Speaker 2: give them help after they're in Australia, why do they
33:03
Speaker 2: want them here?
33:04
Speaker 6: But the note was even more than that. The actual
33:07
Speaker 6: words were there is a way. I mean, this bloke
33:10
Speaker 6: was actually charting it out months ago in secret meetings
33:12
Speaker 6: where he kicked the public servants out so they couldn't
33:14
Speaker 6: listen in. I mean, this bloke's up to his eyeballs
33:16
Speaker 6: in this one. And the fact that he's got definite
33:19
Speaker 6: connections to the campaigner who's now also over there with
33:21
Speaker 6: Australian passports goodness says where they came from and trying
33:24
Speaker 6: to get isis prize to Australia. Well, I mean Albanize
33:26
Speaker 6: needs to put a stop to this and not the
33:28
Speaker 6: wheely mouth words saying oh we're not remediating that, we're
33:31
Speaker 6: not doing taxpayer money, we're pastating the stop them at
33:33
Speaker 6: the borders.
33:35
Speaker 2: I agree, come here repatriating sorry is yeah right camera,
33:38
Speaker 2: Miona Holly Hughes, thank you very so much.
33:41
Speaker 3: Was still to come.
33:41
Speaker 2: The man who designed capital gains tax wands that changes
33:45
Speaker 2: could blow up rents and Heston Russell gives his reaction
33:49
Speaker 2: to Nine's cover up of its seven hundred thousand dollars
33:52
Speaker 2: hush money payment in the Ben Robert Smith case.
33:55
Speaker 3: That's after the break.
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Speaker 2: Well, let's return now to the Nine Networks seven hundred
34:04
Speaker 2: thousand dollars secret payment to a witness who threatened to
34:07
Speaker 2: tell a judge about their own ethical conduct. But joining
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Speaker 2: me now is retired Special Forces Major Heston. Russell Heston,
34:15
Speaker 2: thank you very much for joining us. Look, can you
34:18
Speaker 2: actually believe nine sought to cover this up for fifty years?
34:24
Speaker 5: Today?
34:25
Speaker 16: She is pretty extraordinary, isn't it, Particularly when we're dealing
34:27
Speaker 16: with such a critical topic and how you know, fredom
34:30
Speaker 16: of speech and freedom of media is such a huge
34:32
Speaker 16: part of these conversations. Seven hundred thousand dollars and trying
34:37
Speaker 16: to keep it quiet for fifty years.
34:39
Speaker 5: Everyone wants to know what was she going to say?
34:41
Speaker 3: I just want to play you again.
34:43
Speaker 2: I played it early in the show, a snippet of
34:45
Speaker 2: Nick mackenzie, the nine journalist, admitting that he'd obtained part
34:48
Speaker 2: of Ben Roberts Smith's legal strategy and had breached his
34:52
Speaker 2: own ethics.
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Speaker 10: Thank fantastically breeching us on his leadership. Respected you.
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Speaker 5: I shouldn't tell you, I've just preached.
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Speaker 10: My ethics doing that like this is where like this
35:05
Speaker 10: is now?
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Speaker 3: Hestin, what's your reaction to that?
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Speaker 16: I mean, Sharry, you know where I sit with this
35:12
Speaker 16: war crimes public defamation piece. You know, Ben Robert Smith
35:15
Speaker 16: has never been convicted, let alone charged of a war
35:19
Speaker 16: crime and he's lost a civil defamation case with the
35:22
Speaker 16: standards of proof not even beyond reasonable doubt, and now
35:25
Speaker 16: part of the process we're learning they're willing to spend
35:28
Speaker 16: nearly double what the ABC had to pay me for
35:30
Speaker 16: failing their defamation against me to silence one of their witnesses.
35:35
Speaker 16: I would love to know what else has gone on
35:36
Speaker 16: bid the scenes that has gone into targeting Ben in
35:39
Speaker 16: this civil defamation case.
35:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's a good point you bring up. Look,
35:44
Speaker 2: I caught it before that they chose to play dirty.
35:46
Speaker 2: That's how I described it earlier, you know, paying this
35:49
Speaker 2: hush money payment to a witness who had made these
35:52
Speaker 2: damaging allegations.
35:53
Speaker 3: But what happened to you as well?
35:55
Speaker 2: A different media company also one of the left, the ABC,
35:59
Speaker 2: adding X gunshots.
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Speaker 16: That these are the conversations I had with the Veterans
36:04
Speaker 16: Affairs Minister Matt Keo.
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Speaker 5: You know what he said to me.
36:07
Speaker 16: He's like, you know, because I asked just for these
36:09
Speaker 16: to be played at in criminal court, you know, beyond
36:11
Speaker 16: reasonable doubt a jury of our own peers. And his
36:14
Speaker 16: response to me is what do I say to the
36:16
Speaker 16: likes Nick McKenzie or Chris Masters, Nick Mackenzie or Chris Masters,
36:20
Speaker 16: who will say I'm impeding on their freedom of media.
36:23
Speaker 5: You know, at what point do we as.
36:25
Speaker 16: A country to say, hey, we're accusing people we send
36:28
Speaker 16: over to fight and die on the back of a
36:30
Speaker 16: Royal commission in a defensive veteran suicide. Surely they should
36:35
Speaker 16: be allowed due process beyond reasonable doubt in the criminal court.
36:38
Speaker 16: And now when we have the methods and tactics that
36:41
Speaker 16: have gone on behind the scene, as you broke last
36:43
Speaker 16: year with these recording interviews with the journalist himself saying
36:47
Speaker 16: he's compromised his ethics or people might not have broken
36:50
Speaker 16: the law the rate way it's currently written, but we
36:53
Speaker 16: are targeting soldiers at home and the only defense is
36:57
Speaker 16: to take people to a civil defamation proceedings. And as
37:00
Speaker 16: a part of those proceedings, if you have enough money,
37:03
Speaker 16: you can throw seven hundred thousand dollars to silence the
37:06
Speaker 16: witness and who knows what she might have said or
37:09
Speaker 16: against this case.
37:12
Speaker 2: Just putting this into contact into context, I mean you
37:15
Speaker 2: mentioned how Australian soldiers have been investigated for how many years?
37:19
Speaker 3: And now is it seven years? Is it longer? Is
37:21
Speaker 3: it ten years?
37:22
Speaker 2: For war crimes. No resolution started with the Barton report.
37:26
Speaker 2: There's still other inquiries. No one knows where it's up to.
37:29
Speaker 2: So Heston, what do you think about the fact that
37:31
Speaker 2: the Royal Commission into Bondi was given less than a
37:35
Speaker 2: year to report, but that Australian soldiers who put their
37:39
Speaker 2: life on the line fighting for our country have been
37:43
Speaker 2: investigated for seven ten years and it's still ongoing.
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Speaker 16: Jerry, I'm so disgusted by this whole situation. We first
37:53
Speaker 16: deployed Afghanistan, you know, two thousand and one. You know,
37:57
Speaker 16: some of your viewers watching this might not have been
37:58
Speaker 16: alive when we first deplored, and we're still raking people
38:01
Speaker 16: through the calls. That government has spent hundreds of millions
38:04
Speaker 16: of dollars on the Office of the Special Investigator to
38:06
Speaker 16: have one person charged, no one convicted, and yet look
38:10
Speaker 16: at things like what happened at the Bondai massacre, and
38:13
Speaker 16: how our intelligence resources and police resources should be tracking
38:16
Speaker 16: people on known terrorist registers, traveling to known terrorist organized
38:19
Speaker 16: at locations.
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Speaker 5: You know, it's shocking for me, as.
38:23
Speaker 16: A fifth generation veteran to see where our government is
38:26
Speaker 16: putting its priorities, investing its money and pursuing these avenues
38:31
Speaker 16: as opposed to supporting our veterans where we've had our
38:33
Speaker 16: own rule and commission identifying that's more needed. And again,
38:37
Speaker 16: as far as the one year cap on BONDI I
38:40
Speaker 16: think we all just know that's a political play so
38:43
Speaker 16: that the Prime Minister and others can just say, oh.
38:45
Speaker 5: You know, we'll wait for those findings.
38:47
Speaker 16: We'll push that hand down the road because we're not
38:49
Speaker 16: good with answering the hard questions that Australians want to
38:52
Speaker 16: know while while their media team prepares their statements for
38:55
Speaker 16: them off the back of it.
38:56
Speaker 5: That's my opinion anyway.
38:58
Speaker 2: You know, as you just said, they're in investigating, they're
39:00
Speaker 2: investing resources investigating Australian veterans, rolling out the red carpet
39:07
Speaker 2: for ISIS brights unbelievable. Hestin Russell, thank you very much
39:12
Speaker 2: for your time. Now still to come, the plans for
39:15
Speaker 2: a new border carbon tax and how long until the
39:18
Speaker 2: ISIS families actually arrive.
39:20
Speaker 3: Michael Shubridge will join us. Welcome back well.
39:27
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham, who's seen as close to Donald Trump, is
39:30
Speaker 2: a Republican senator. He says that a decision on military
39:34
Speaker 2: action in Iran is weeks and not months away. We're
39:38
Speaker 2: joining me now to discuss his strategic analysis. Australia Director
39:41
Speaker 2: Michael Schubridge. Michael, good to see you. So what can
39:45
Speaker 2: we expect now? Where do you think this is heading?
39:47
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like the President is taking a
39:50
Speaker 2: very long time to decide what to do about Iran.
39:55
Speaker 8: Well, Sherry, I think he's really putting in place what
39:58
Speaker 8: he needs to duck strikes on Iran, because he's now
40:02
Speaker 8: sending a second aircraft carrier, the Gerald Ford, America's largest
40:07
Speaker 8: aircraft carrier, to double down on American military power in
40:11
Speaker 8: the Gulf. And that's why this is weeks away, not months,
40:16
Speaker 8: because when you've got two American aircraft carriers in one
40:19
Speaker 8: part of the world, you either use them or you
40:22
Speaker 8: take them away. So the pressure on Iran is enormous.
40:26
Speaker 8: But I can't see Iran giving up their nuclear program
40:30
Speaker 8: anytime soon.
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Speaker 2: Lindsay Graham has also said that if the Ayatola doesn't
40:36
Speaker 2: go then this would be a victory for Iran. So
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Speaker 2: what do you think the aim of the US administration
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Speaker 2: is here?
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Speaker 8: Well, they're quite clear that they want the Iranians to
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Speaker 8: do something. The Iranians have said they will never do.
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Speaker 8: They want a Ran to give up enrichment of uranium
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Speaker 8: and they want Iran to give up their nuclear program.
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Speaker 8: Iran has said that something they just will not do.
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Speaker 8: But they're open to some kind of compromise. But the regime,
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Speaker 8: the Iranian regime knows if they show weakness now to America,
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Speaker 8: that will only energize a lot of the Iranian people
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Speaker 8: that want to get rid of the regime. So I
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Speaker 8: think the Iranian regime is going to stay hard and
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Speaker 8: will be willing to soak up American strikes to stay
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Speaker 8: in power.
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Speaker 2: You know you said to you just said a moment
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Speaker 2: ago that the US is still getting its assets, its
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Speaker 2: military assets in place in the region, including a second
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Speaker 2: aircraft carrier. Do you think the President has made up
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Speaker 2: his mind but he's still getting the infrastructure in place,
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Speaker 2: or do you think he is still undecided at this point.
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Speaker 8: I think he's open to a surprising change in the
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Speaker 8: Iranian position, but he can't really expect that. Maybe he
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Speaker 8: thinks that this overwhelming US military power is putting there
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Speaker 8: will change the Iranian regime's mind. But for the regime,
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Speaker 8: it's probably their survival in power in Iran that they
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Speaker 8: see as at stake and battening the hatches down, and
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Speaker 8: withstanding American strikes, probably looks like their best option.
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Speaker 2: Just a question on this cohored of Isis prides. Now
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Speaker 2: they've been reportedly stopped en route to Damascus, so they
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Speaker 2: were able to leave their you know, the camp they'd
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Speaker 2: been staying in, stopped on route to Damascus, and official
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Speaker 2: at the camp saying the trip hasn't been canceled but
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Speaker 2: just postponed. So how do you expect this is going
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Speaker 2: to play out? Do you think they'll go to a
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Speaker 2: country like Lebanon first and then from there with their
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Speaker 2: legally documented Australian issued passpots, catch a flight to Australia.
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Speaker 8: Well, they have a right of return to Australia as
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Speaker 8: any Australian citizen does, and we've got the Albanesi government
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Speaker 8: hiding from their obligations. But they are going to find
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Speaker 8: their way back home. And to have a government that
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Speaker 8: says we're closing your eyes to this will be as
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Speaker 8: surprised as anyone if our citizens return, I think is
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Speaker 8: the worst position.
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Speaker 9: To be in.
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Speaker 8: There are twenty three children in this group, and Scott
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Speaker 8: Morrison said back in twenty nineteen children shouldn't be punished
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Speaker 8: for the crimes of their parents when he repatriated some
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Speaker 8: children from Syria. So unless we've become less compassionate and
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Speaker 8: more hard hearted than Scott Morrison, I think the government
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Speaker 8: should do the right thing and manage the problem well.
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Speaker 2: Out of those twenty three so called children, three are teenagers,
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Speaker 2: so not children in the strict sense teenagers and there
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Speaker 2: hasn't been an assessment in nearly four years, so we
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Speaker 2: just don't know the extent of the problem, all right,
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Speaker 2: Michael Shubridge, great to have you on as always, Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much. Now still to come Labour's eyeing off
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Speaker 2: the capital gains tax discount again, one who designed it
44:01
Speaker 2: is warning that touch it and you could blow up
44:03
Speaker 2: the rental market. Plus is the carbon tax set to
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Speaker 2: return in the form of a new border tariff. David
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Speaker 2: Pearl joins me next.
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Speaker 1: Well, with the.
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Speaker 2: Albanezy government looking at the capital gains tax discount, the
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Speaker 2: man who designed it, the architect John Ralph, is warning
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Speaker 2: tread carefully. Johnny Minow is former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl.
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Speaker 2: So this great story by Matthew Cranston in The Australian
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Speaker 2: Today's saying look at other areas such as bracket creep.
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Speaker 7: Good evening, Shari, Look, I agree, bracket creep is a
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Speaker 7: hidden tax that every Australian worker pays whenever they get
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Speaker 7: a pay increases that matches inflation. Labor is addicted to
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Speaker 7: bracket creep. It's the main element of their physical strategy,
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Speaker 7: such as it is, and at the last election Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton refused to abolish it. And I wrote a piece
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Speaker 7: in The Australian on Friday, Shari urging Angus Taylor as
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Speaker 7: the very first thing he says on tax to simply
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Speaker 7: say to Australian workers, you will no longer be hit
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Speaker 7: by bracket creep.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such an important point because at a time
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Speaker 2: when inflation it continues to rise, people just feel like
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Speaker 2: they're not getting to keep their own money. I want
45:29
Speaker 2: to get your view as well of this capital gains
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Speaker 2: tax discount. Do you agree with John Ralph that this
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Speaker 2: isn't really something the government should look at?
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, the government should look at it, and Shari Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 7: after the RBA Board increased interest rates a couple of
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Speaker 7: weeks ago, walked to Phil Coory in the press gallery.
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Speaker 7: I'm speculating. But Corey broke the story and said to him,
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Speaker 7: get everybody not focusing on inflation. Let's talk about capital
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Speaker 7: gains tax. Now. I worked in Treasury for over twenty years, Sharry,
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Speaker 7: and I've been involved in briefing treasurers on these kinds
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Speaker 7: of ideas. A competent treasury would have said to the treasurer,
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Speaker 7: is the capital gains tax discounter concession?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 3: It isn't.
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Speaker 7: It compensates investors for their whole nominal game being tax
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Speaker 7: with no adjustment for inflation. Will it raise money? No,
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Speaker 7: it won't. If you abolish the capital gains tax discount
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Speaker 7: for all investment, it would raise less than three percent
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Speaker 7: of the conval's needs in one year, and then capital
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Speaker 7: would disappear. And will it solve the housing crisis? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 7: You might get a one off one percent change in
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Speaker 7: the housing value, but immigration, poor productivity, material costs, planning
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Speaker 7: and zoning, and interest rates would continue to send housing
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Speaker 7: prices north.
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Speaker 2: Are you worried that this is just the first that
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Speaker 2: negative gearing that franking credit refunds could be next.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely. Jim Charmers was shadow fine and spokesman at the
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Speaker 7: twenty nineteen election Sharry and you your listeners might remember
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Speaker 7: that Chris Bowen was Shadow Treasurer and he had a
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Speaker 7: plan to impose one hundred and fifty four billion dollars
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Speaker 7: in investment taxes over ten years, which involved having the
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Speaker 7: capital gains task discount, restricting negative gearing and abolishing cash
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Speaker 7: franking credits. That proposal was rightly seen by the electorate
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Speaker 7: as an exercising class war. It wouldn't have raised the revenue,
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Speaker 7: mooted and Jim Chalmers is dusting it off and so
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Speaker 7: this is just first cab off the rank.
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Speaker 2: In twenty seconds. Can you tell me about this idea
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Speaker 2: of a carbon border tariot to a tariff? Is this
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Speaker 2: basically a levy on higher emissions imports.
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Speaker 7: It is, so we're deindustrializing the country by requiring heavy
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Speaker 7: industry to cut emissions. Many of our key trading partners
47:57
Speaker 7: haven't got the net zero delusion and are not doing that.
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Speaker 7: So this proposes protectionist walls to protect those industries. The
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Speaker 7: problem is that costs will rise for consumers and every
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Speaker 7: other firm further down the supply chain. Protectionism ended in
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Speaker 7: tears for austraighted last century.
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Speaker 3: It will again, all right, David Pearl.
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Speaker 2: Always great to have you on. Thank you very much
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Speaker 2: for your time and thanks for your company. Tonight, here's
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Speaker 2: poor Murray