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Alien Viruses - Crash Site Contagion · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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[SPEAKER_00]: They went inside for approximately one hour, protective clothing, medical masks, a crashed objects sitting in the Arizona desert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And whatever was inside, apparently wasn't designed for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When the men finally emerged, something was wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were confused, their stomachs were turning, then they ripped off their masks and started vomiting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't remember what they had seen inside, and according to the story, this wasn't the first time people investigating a crashed UFO became sick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Years earlier, another alleged recovery operation ended far worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Technicians came in contact with something associated with the bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One collapsed, another slipped into a coma, within hours, seizures began, then the bleeding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Four men were rushed away for treatment, none of them survived.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And suddenly, a question we've all been asking since the beginning of the series becomes a little more uncomfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the greatest danger of recovering something from another world isn't the technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is alien viruses crash site contagion.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Kyle is primed and ready.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am even though I'm a cripple right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, Kyle's busted.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got like a pinch nerve in my neck back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's got alien scoliosis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do and it's not fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys can manipulate pinch nerves through
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Astral chiropractic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you can get in touch with aliens and have them just cure all my ailments, that would be appreciated too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be just don't give me any of these weird alien viruses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Don't give them alien herpes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a tough one to explain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a one-day play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talk here so bad about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm going to get a lot of trouble.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, boy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So continuing in the book Alien Viruses by Nick Redfern and Dr. Robert and Wood, they take a look at something called the first annual report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was supposedly done by a panel that was linked to the MJ-12 and appointed by the president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something I wanted to point out and it's kind of how I believe this is the part where we kind of left off in the last episode.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it keeps getting pointed out which, you know, kind of leans both ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a perfect way to play the fence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's designed is actually brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And something I really hadn't considered up until this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They point out in the book that when these these contacts begin to work with disclosure and whistle blowing, the people within the secret organizations take a rather interesting approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the they contact someone, they're like, hey, we have these documents for you and we want to leak them out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They give you said documents and you begin to look over them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You start to realize that these are bullshit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you call them on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: well you just passed their test.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they flat out tell you something that kind of changes that I'm making of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They give you loads and loads of documents with all types of class of Kate or classified information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now while they're giving you these documents they also
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you've already proven yourself to be a true investigator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not actually handing over straight up information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're handing you files and files.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But inside these files, the truth is kind of hidden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Some of these documents are reading are actually bullshit, but the core of it isn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In their eyes and reasoning, there's enough information there for you to do research and actually find the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a very interesting approach because it keeps people safe to a degree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can't directly be tied to having classified information if it gets put out there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also kind of its own smoke screen because if you get somebody who's not like who passes the test, but it's not that great, they could also potentially release the bullshit, which keeps the public yeah even more confused I guess it is kind of like a successful double edged sword from the the point of countering her the intelligence community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: very alphabet boy way of doing yeah yeah because you know we would all scream for disclosure and stop fucking up at the same time if this is how they're operating disclosure by us becomes a lot harder because you're almost
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like that crazy SCA test that is it on one of the statues or something like that at the sea place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I forget what it's called and it's almost like they they're giving you enough of the pieces and it's up to you if you figure it out or not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it makes you wonder with all these like all this disclosure that's happening right now how much of what they're releasing is horseshit yeah and what's real right because if they're following this blueprint like make makes a lot of sense it really does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I also think that when your whistleblower comes out and starts to expose shit, some of the higher-ups will probably instantly dismiss your claims, because no matter how good you are, you are going to get some of these details wrong, which is in this example, I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is kind of stealthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps you in in the game a little bit longer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It keeps the higher-ups off your back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, that might put a pin in you and circle back around, but at the same time, maybe this is part of their game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they design the rules to do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm willing to bet this has something to do with counterintelligence and espionage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, remember, this is their world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are the games and environments that they play in
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[SPEAKER_00]: I said that because not only is it relevant to this book and what's being explained, I feel like it applies to these situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just research and explore.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's something we all need to keep in the back of our minds, which I think by accident and kind of how Stephenized brain typically works, we have always kind of taken that approach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Regardless, I feel like this is an important footnote for people interested in the paranormal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost makes you wonder if they have an entire like sect of these like black budget groups that just produce fake encounters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fake evidence.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't be surprised at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You almost think that they would have to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's definitely interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's get into this first annual report.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This thing basically starts on September 26, 1947.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This panel was signed in on presidential directive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was tasked with providing explanations to other world visitation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it seems that in the document UFOs were considered by MJ-12 alien technology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I haven't gone over it yet, I do want to point out that several times in this book, it was presented by MJ-12 that the alien bodies that were found in Roswell had actually
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[SPEAKER_00]: been ejected from the UFO in an escape pod.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was reported to be of a cylinder shape, which we kind of discussed in the Roswell series, but this kind of ties it together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which could explain the multiple crash sites.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: MJ-12 was mostly focused on using this recovered technology for the military, surprise surprise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm reading here and it's noted, and I hope we get into it later, they looked in and recorded things like unexplained disappearances of soldiers on the battlefield, missing aircraft, pilots and crew, and then basically seeing UFOs around aircraft, interfering with them and the UFOs flying around our military installations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then the first day in a report kind of sends a shot right to my brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is apparently from the report, ladies and gentlemen, if this is true, wrap your heads around this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I quote,
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[SPEAKER_00]: BW programs in US and UK are in field test stages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Discovery of new virus and bacteria agents so lethal that serums derived by genetic research can launch medical science into unheard of fields of biology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The example extracted from body's found in New Mexico have yielded new strains of a strains, of a retrovirus, not totally understood, but give promise of the ultimate BW weapon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The danger lies in the spread of airborne and bloodborne outbreaks of diseases and large populations, with no medical cures available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The panel was concerned over the containment of several SCB personnel upon coming into contact
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[SPEAKER_00]: One technician was overcome and collapsed when he attempted the removal of a body, another medical technician went into a coma four hours after placing a body in a rubber body bag.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All four were rushed to Los Alamos for observation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All four died of seizures and perfused bleeding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All four were wearing protective suits when they came into body fluid
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[SPEAKER_00]: Further data autopsy on the four-dead SECD technicians are not conclusive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is believed that the four may have suffered from some form of toxin or highly contagious disease.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tissue samples are currently being kept at four-dead Drake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and most disturbing of all in the opinion of the senior AEC medical officer current medical equipment and supplies are wholly inadequate in dealing with a large scale outbreak of the alien virus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they were in full like I'm assuming they were in full
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[SPEAKER_01]: bioguard when they're dealing with these bodies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm assuming so as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they still somehow contracted something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That sucks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and you, I mean, they're talking about implementing this with bio weapons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's at the BW stands for bio weapons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is it a rich, the term retro virus?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that it almost implies that it
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[SPEAKER_00]: before I don't I don't I don't think that's the way they're leaning they might be but I feel like it it most likely has parallels with retro virus
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[SPEAKER_00]: So with all that being said, let's take a little bit of a closer look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nick Redburn started to dig around and find some rather interesting information.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Upon investigation, they found this may have been one of the those muddied water situations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the truth is well hidden inside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It really makes you wonder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Fort Detrick was never referenced in any material until 1956.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So people started to speculate that this document was actually written after 1956.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, a man that was on the panel that was reported to have sat in on this was a general Huit S. Bandenberg.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he died in 1954.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it couldn't have been written beyond this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now you're probably all in the mindset what the fuck?
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, why did you even include this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, don't don't be mad because we kind of spend back around in 1947, a Theodore Roseberry who was in the society of American bacterialologists wrote a paper called experimental airborne infection.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly enough, in this paper he talks about how he received lots of support,
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the technical staff at Camp D-Trick, so it circles back around that people at Camp D-Trick were taking part in lethal airborne diseases during the 1947 Roswell incident.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another thing that was pointed out with this first aid in report was the term retrovirus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: According to what can be found, that term didn't start being used until the 1970s,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that this is further proof the document is fake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, Robert Gliding Green, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Bacterology and Immunology at the University of Minnesota, he also did some interesting things with the military.
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[SPEAKER_00]: served in the student's army training core in World War I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also was a captain and medical officer for the Air Corps in War II.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was also a member of the Society of American Bacterial just.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and also a member of the Society of Experimental Biology and Medicine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote a paper, November 8, 1935, titled the Nature of Filterable Viruses, which suggests that viruses stemmed from retrograde evolution of free-living cells.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why does this matter?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was a very close colleague with a major Charles Ethan Ray.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you don't remember, or I did a piss job naming him, this man was named in the Interplanatory Phenomenon Unit, the same man that was said to have conducted the autopsy on alien bodies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another mystery around aliens has always been the damn cattle mutilations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some reports, including the first annual report, these traced back to at least 1947, which I know, all this piled on top of each other seems rather bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even unbelievable by all accounts, however, in a FOIA request, there's some really interesting information that gets discovered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was stated in a FOIA request that the U.S. government was worried
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's just so happened to be in the summer of 1947.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Very weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even more disturbing, it was saying that a committee X was formed to look into biological weapons and more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What they discussed was extremely fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were actually contemplating the use of biological weapons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Literally, justifying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Examples of this would be that biological attacks, and remember this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is your government speaking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Examples of this would be biological attacks actually do less damage than say explosives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because when you use explosives, you run the risk of destroying the environment.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With the biological attacks, you do not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You only take out the inhabitants.
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[SPEAKER_01]: very government thing to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For the more, you could also use attacks like giving people a severe fever, which would put them down without killing them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then after some time in theory, they recover and can resume their normal lives.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Discussing this like they would be doing every day people a favor by giving them a fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you take that idea and expand it,
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[SPEAKER_00]: What could they really justify using ticks to spread diseases to keep us indoors or are movies closer to cities?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Could they use chronic wasting disease to control the game population and make it more uncertain for us to consume these animals?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They could create an illness that takes down a massive part of the population, making them weak, too weak to fight back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That way the war is won before a shot has even fired, which I'm sure is kind of what they mean by giving them a fever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm putting them down for a while.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ain't nobody trying to fight when they're sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I just want to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Definitely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's even worse when you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like read it in the comprehend that they actually have these conversations like there are psychopaths that are like, listen, like think about it guys, if we new come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going to cost us a lot of money here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We fuck up everything costs us a lot of money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if we inject biological agents into the area, it'll take them out and then we can just recover everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was more stuff for us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's simple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Simple capitalism math.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's fucking great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the real question to this subject is that, at one point, they were really concerned with biological warfare until 1947, when something happened, are they weren't really concerned with it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So they weren't concerned with biological warfare until 1947.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you remember correctly, we talked about how during the crash at Roswell, they were more than bodies that were found on the ground.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talked about finding animal parts and such within the crash site.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So is this something that could have sparked the worry?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or did they find diseases within these bodies that could have been, they could have decimated the planet?
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[SPEAKER_00]: This pushes us up to an idea, Edwin and Bailey had, and sent it to the FBI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His friend had witnessed a UFO in Italy, and after some time Bailey had an idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thought it was possible that these UFOs were radio-controlled devices that were capable of delivering German payloads to anywhere on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: interesting theory, then we go to 1949, when a doctor whose name was removed completely from a declassified document, where he had a close encounter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor was interviewed on what he had witnessed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a UFO in Canada on how he's 70 north of the St. Francis Ontario, Canada.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They seen a silver object in the sky, it moved radically, no vapor trail, no fins, nothing to indicate it was a normal aircraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Both he and his wife witnessed the object.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this doctor was in the middle of a polio outbreak.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wrote into the FBI that he thinks these polio outbreaks are not polio.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He thinks they are the direct cause of UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was actually sent up the chain to Jay Edger Hoover, the head of the FBI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A doctor also pointed out that in 1948, in the Carolinas, there was a polio epidemic at the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The doctor contacted one of the physicians at Benjamin Harrison Airbase and looked into the fact that UFOs were reported.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This had made it to the Air Force who took a very serious.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They contacted an informant that ends up being labeled as CI1.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this person said, this is an interesting idea and needs to be explored.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they dig a little further and people do find reasons to dismiss these claims, stating that polio had been there
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the interesting fact is that the military and FBI took this seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the question comes back to did they have this response to what happened in Roswell?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's also crazy that
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[SPEAKER_00]: you even if it is a doctor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Contacting the military and it's like, hey, listen, man, I think these devices or these things in the sky, they're I think they're causing polio outbreaks and the military is like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's look into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess what I'm saying here is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: did they have that type of response?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of what they found in Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did they take this idea of polio outbreak far more serious because of what happened in Roswell?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't want, you almost, they almost have to, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: For them, for them, the military and the FBI to put money and funds toward actually looking into this stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because there's, where there's smoke, there's usually fire, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I think, I think you're on the phone there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's definitely troublesome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when we talk about UFOs, I don't think we venture into the idea that they could be carrying something that could legitimately wipe out the planet.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, no.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The far the usually the furthest it goes is abduction.
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Radiation poison.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You never think that they could have something that humans can't handle.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it is just every day for them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like their cold could wipe out the entire population.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: And maybe the opposite.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The way around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So now they look into an article called Unorthodox Aircraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which highlighted how people were very interested in the Nazi UFOs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You had the joint intelligence bureau, M.I.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 10, and King Keith figures in DSI.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These briefings were on UFOs and back to your real oligal, a lot oligical nailed it.
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Fuckin' hate words.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God knows the word all the time trying to be but on bacteria warfare just say that bacteria scientists yeah those people so these these briefings were on UFOs so all these people the joint intelligence bureau in my tin all these major government corporations or agencies whatever you want to call them
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were legitimately having briefings, and I want you to really get this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not having them like a briefing on UFOs and then a briefing on bacteria warfare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're legitimately having them in the same briefings UFOs and bacteria warfare.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a reason for that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like logically, if you don't believe in UFOs, why the fuck would you stick it in this briefing with bacteria?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, a bitch, let's talk about bacteria.
28:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need this whews stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Two very, two very different things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless they're not probably exactly exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in 2000, the British National Archive released another document titled Unorthodox Aircraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, you're correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's two articles now that are named Unorthodox Aircraft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this one had some very interesting labels on it, not only did it contain information on UFOs, not UFOs, but it had a very bizarre label on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The title of this cover must not appear on the outer cover, and at the bottom it said, to be kept under lock and key.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And red fern, which everybody, I would imagine lots of people know who Nick red fern is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's very accomplished, paranormal conspiracy writer, has done a lot of things in his life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's like, I have never read anything that says it, this is to be kept under lock and key at all times.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would have to be the the highest the the highest tier that I've heard of.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of like a sort of more secrecy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's why it's crazy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't even put anything on them for like I don't want you to know anything about these documents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just a blank folder.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Keep it in the safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And four knocks bitch at that point just burn it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, keep it in keep it in the Vatican.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, basement.
30:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So In 1980 a book gets published called the Ogden in Nigma.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was actually a fictional story about an unidentified object that crashes an Ogden
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[SPEAKER_00]: Funny thing is, the author said that the story is actually 100% true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that in a hangar in a military supply hanger near Ogden, Utah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On June 9th, on June 9th, in 1950, five military men drove something to a hangar in the Utah Desert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The men in the middle of the night drove this thing into the hangar, got out and locked the doors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Within days, the military erects electric fences with massive amounts of security, even
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[SPEAKER_00]: but the story gets weirder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Within 12 months of delivering this cargo to the hanger, all five of the men were dead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cause of their death remains unknown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you have to consider the possibility that they may have contracted something from this operation or it's possible, which I'll throw it out there, it's possible they were silenced for the information they had gathered.
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[SPEAKER_01]: always like rack my brain as to how much of this soft disclosure is released as fictional material.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's a lot that's actually real material.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a lot because I think in my next episode, I think there's another reference
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[SPEAKER_00]: the scene and in the pennies day where the president gets taken area 51 and he walks down to the free drill where they're keeping the alien bodies in shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's a nut, I think it happens in my next episode as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I remember thinking about it last night when I was writing the episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, I remember talking about it in Roswell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think it happens again with the president that we're going to be talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, it's crazy, but we move forward to another crash story out west.
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[SPEAKER_00]: February 3rd, 1971, two men, Jeff Young and Paul Chatham, didn't interview with a man that gets dubbed Fritz Werner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This main claim to have knowledge about a UFO crash and body recovery near Kingman, Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On the night of May 21, 1953, it sounds like this man in question was a military scientist with degrees of mathematics, physics, and a master's in engineering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he was a smart fella, I've heard that, I feel like I've heard that name before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure you have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've definitely heard it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he saw a UFO or he also saw a UFO and atomic test site in Nevada, which was part of Operation Upshot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Upshot not whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which is a series of atmospheric nuclear weapons test, which just sounds fucking brilliant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But let's blow news up in the sky, like fireworks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know, let's just see what happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just just announce that we exist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: To everything that wants to eat us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know, maybe possibly set the entire atmosphere on fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Something crazy, but foggy, whatever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll try to say it today.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe we'll try.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that big of a deal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The name of science is blow shit up like the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the object that he had seen one night was hard to describe he said because obviously it was nighttime.
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[SPEAKER_00]: During this time he said he was done with atomic testing but was still with the air force and working on project blue book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he got word that there was an unexplained vehicle that had crashed in the west.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They rallied up about 40 people to go investigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the 40.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that object was like a streamlined cigar shape, maybe even a tear shape cigar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also said he saw the body and guessed it was about four feet tall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, interestingly enough, the body was a dark brown color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he thinks that the body may have turned colors
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[SPEAKER_00]: This was the end of the interview, but the case gets picked up again later on by Ray Fowler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's able to learn about the King's Manuofo crash, and he even though
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the first interview by these two dudes, they kept the Fritz Werner secret.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They didn't even, I don't even think they gave him that name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Ray Fowler is able to track him down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one that dubs him for its Werner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's somehow able to find him, which is interesting because I feel like a ray confined
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: we can find them.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's true.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, the government can probably find them.
36:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I don't feel like Ray's got the means of the government.
36:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's also really weird that they think that the bodies may have changed color due to the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like an apple or an avocado.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's been left out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The changes color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
36:57
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's looking weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Aliens are fucking weird.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Aliens are weird.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I don't like them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: leave a bad taste just don't yeah me and my friends with a bdc to death with a hammer yeah with sucked for him like that much they probably shoot lasers out of his finger tip yeah fucking true whip that ass so like I said
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ray Fowler picks it up, tracks him down, he was actually able to get the guy to sign an affidavit.
37:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Also apparently during this interview with Jeff and Paul, he may have been a little tipsy, and some of the details may change.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's his verbatim statement that is a signed
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, for its order, do solemnly swear that during a special assignment with the U.S. Air Force on May 21, 1953, I assisted in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the vicinity of Kingman, Arizona.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The object was constructed of an unfamiliar metal which resembled brushed aluminum.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that impact impacted 20 inches into the sand without any sign of structural damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was oval and about 30 feet in diameter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and entranceway hatch had been vertically lowered and opened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was about 3.5 feet high and 1.5 feet wide.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was able to talk briefly with someone on the team who did look inside, but only briefly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He saw two swivel seats, an oval cabin, and a lot of instruments and displays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A tint pitch near the object sheltered the dead remains of the only occupant of the craft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was about four feet tall, dark brown complexion, and at two eyes, two nostrils, and a small round of mouth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was clothed in a silvery, silvery, metallic suit, and more a skull cap of the same type material.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wore no face covering or helmet, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the fuckin' skull cap just makes you think of a Harley Rider, just some intergalactic alien Harley Rider.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hell yeah, I had to lay her down bud, I had to lay her down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says it wore no face covering or helmet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I certified that the above statement is true by fixing my signature to the document this day of June 7th, 1973.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, I might be drunk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I might be drunk.
39:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But now this is the non-drunk version.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's weird to me that the alien died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the craft had no, he said the craft was intact and look good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what he says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess the force the impact may have could have been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fuck him up, I guess.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Or the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or the atmosphere.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Once he opened the hatch, he just croaked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's also weird to me that so many of these crash recoveries happened in the southwest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: it is weird.
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[SPEAKER_00]: At least the ones we we openly know about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is also where they were tested.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Newx and shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so they were probably coming to check it out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's probably some correlation there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure there is.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to know more like in the last episode, I think it was the last episode where we talked about them capturing UFOs and like Louisiana and shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was a woman Cape Gerardo Missouri, which was before Roswell, yeah, which I just bought a book on that I should probably read at some point was that a downed one or because there there's one I think they were talking about the downed one in Missouri and then I captured one in Louisiana.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm pretty sure Cape Gerardo was a crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cave Gerarder was the crash and then the other one was a like a kind of made it sound like they fucking stole it.
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[UNKNOWN]: How?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you would almost have to think that they would allow that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That the aliens would just be like, yeah, here you go.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They probably say, I mean,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They probably saw that these guys were un-circum-sized and they're like, like, a fly-it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Take her for a spin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Boys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then the guys just flew off with it and never came back, picked them up.
41:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Also to circle back to remind everybody how dumb I am I looked up retro virus and Kyle explained that to us in the first episode and has nothing to do with a time span of a virus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How I said now were they were they old were they here before no nothing a retro virus is a type of virus that uses RNA as its genetic material and inserts a DNA copy of that genome into the host cells DNA to replicate it.
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I think I think the thing with the retro virus is it does it backwards than normal, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When I heard retro, I thought it was like from the 1970s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hell, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Ah, I'm an idiot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just a vintage virus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's exactly what I thought.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, yeah, this is why I'm not a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's got you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see the mix up now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, it's all up here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It definitely I just have to understand it blind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I hear retro and I think a super Mario Bros Super Mario Bros. Good though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, see see.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, kind of follows the way I'm thinking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you guys you guys like with the first Super Mario Bro movie Let us know Leave it in the chat chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all right, so moving forward here
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a major daily in the told of a story that fits in hand with this account.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which spirals into some into more information in the 50s of bodies being recovered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then an aviation guy that worked to write Patterson saying that he worked across this is fucked.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just like reading this kind of like fires back in your brain where like oh yeah I remember this part and this is bizarre so there's an aviation guy that worked to ripatter some And he's saying that he worked across the way from where they kept the bodies 13 of them And he's like dude it's stunk so bad It just straight up smelled like pure for maltohyde
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[SPEAKER_00]: And according to the source, it said the bodies were actually being, or now, now those bodies are being stored at Langley, which is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then Leonard Stringfield was chatting at a meeting of the Cincinnati chapter of the World Wings with about 25 pilots.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One pilot brings, uh, he starts bringing up UFO retrievals and sounded like he knew a thing or two about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Stringfield's like, hey,
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[SPEAKER_00]: big dub.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You stay after the meeting here so we can have a little chat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After, oh, Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: After everyone leaves, they are standing in front of a big map of the United States.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the pilot off the rip goes, I've seen the bodies,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and points to Arizona and he's like, it happened in 53, which puts it right in line with the Kingsman crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said he saw the bodies at Wright Patterson and he's like, I was literally just in the right place at the right time because the bodies were brought in by crates at night by DC seven.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was able to see three little four feet tall humanoid beings that were uncovered in laying on a layer of fabric fabric, which was being used to prevent them from being burnt by the dry ice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also reports that typically alien frame but states that under the lights, they're skin
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[SPEAKER_00]: He overheard people talking about one of the occupants, one of the occupants were alive when they found it, and they tried saving it with oxygen, but it didn't work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the book, Redfern is tracked down multiple stories of people who basically name off the Kingsman crash, all them parallel, one another.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Judy Wilcott got a letter from her husband from Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So think about that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This lady, this dude, this dude's in Vietnam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he decides to write his life a wife, a letter about the King's been crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was an officer working in the control tower when an object shows up on radar and then goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He overheard MPs talking about how something went down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A domed disk that embedded itself in the sand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It took no damage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also heard the MPs saying the casualties weren't human.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had other things to tell her, but not on paper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if I remember correctly,
46:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He literally writes this letter because he has a feeling that he's going to die over there and um.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of what I thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then a week later he dies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Of course.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the rest of the story didn't get out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure they put it on paper.
46:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have an engineer named Bill Uhouse who said this wasn't even crash.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have said that four events were recovered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Two of them in good shape.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were retrieved by special government units that were specifically trained for these events.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have also said that two of them in who went inside the craft to inspect it came down with the mysterious illness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These events at Kingsman was what got you house on a project to create a flight simulator
47:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have a person who came forward who claims to be in the intelligence community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, this can be found on www.cerpo.com or.org.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My bad.
47:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, this guy worked for the DIA in in 2005, started releasing information, he called himself anonymous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one, he is one of six people from the DIA that are working the other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He starts dumping info on the Kingsman crash and goes over the details that we've already covered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, they found out that the down vessel where UFO was being monitored by other events.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They knew the military had come and taken it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were also pleased that the bodies were treated fairly and apparently the two bodies that were okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: were allowed to go back into the craft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of them, however, were taken to a facility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also state that men went into the craft for about an hour.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were in clean clothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had medical masks on, but after they came out, they were confused and had upset stomachs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They took off their masks and began to throw up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even more so, they could not remember any of the details
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[SPEAKER_01]: interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, is it a case where they can't, they legitimately can't remember anything of the inside of the graph, or they're getting strong armed in the sand?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even remember what I saw.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You think about abductions in such alien amnesia as a real thing, true.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like people don't remember and it's so far locked away in their brain could very well be the same thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe it has, maybe it has more to do with being on the craft than it does with the actual
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[SPEAKER_01]: aliens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe the math is what makes you suppress your memories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, if we were going to spit ball here a little bit, I know a lot of craft have descriptions inside of like panels and controls and seeds and so on and so forth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in my opinion, if you were in an advanced species and had to kind of choose how you're going to control the craft, I feel like it would be way better if it was actually a brain sinking
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[SPEAKER_00]: situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're like the craft itself, jacks into your brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because at that point, then, you're not going to be relying on reflexes or, you know, hand-eye coordinate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally just going to be your brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be instantaneous.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they, uh,
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[SPEAKER_01]: the descriptions were getting are just from humans that have been on them, which we already know and whatever these entities are, manipulate the way that we think and the way that we see things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that's not that far fetched.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that some of these things are just like screen memories in plan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could hear about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a good idea.
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[SPEAKER_01]: People they get up, get abducted, they get, they see the craft from the outside.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And once they get in there, it's infinitely bigger on the
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, multiple rooms, all sorts of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's a good talk because I think in the last episode, I talked about a, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the inside of UFO, I think it was on the last one, where they, like some of the controls were like typewriter keys and shit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was very interested in that because it makes you, it makes you lean like all right, maybe this is some type of other countries rendition of UFO.
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[SPEAKER_00]: However, thinking about it like that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: almost like if let's just, I'll explain like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's just say you enter the craft, it logs into your brain.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, your brain doesn't register alien controls, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it maybe it, it has the ability to be like, all right, let's give it, let's give this person controls that it understands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like is it you're going to understand what a keyboard is you're not going to understand or a typewriter is you're not going to understand what these crazy ass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know what it would look like on a aliens, but you know what I mean, like.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then not to mention that also at the same time, it almost runs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: smokescreen to because if you're like, if I was like Steve, bro, I was in the CFO, and the fucking controls were a typewriter to do, that's how you flew the plane, it was like using W-A-S-D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: even playing way too many video games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Also true, but I just I just was looking into an account yesterday of a woman that was abducted from from her house house full of people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And when they took her onto the UFO, she was, it was almost as if she was afraid of how the craft was going to work.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She was afraid of it taking off up off the ground.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said the alien to kind of ease her mind.
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[SPEAKER_01]: made the floor of the craft transparent.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And she said inside all that she could see was a bunch of clear like glass tubes that ran through it, which made her think that it was some sort of like almost like some sort of steam power or something that they were using.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it was, it's bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well you guys ain't that smart because we were using steam power way the fuck back we got locomotives bro dude come on and then on top of that I would look at that alien and be like hey making the floor see through does not make me more comfortable because I'm afraid of heights yes so and if it looks like glass that means it can break like glass
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't fucking with that either, see, but I put this this bitch back on the ground, let me off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm out.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Crazy, crazy account.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I might have to do an episode on it, but just the whole thing, bizarre, bizarre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've, we've heard, I mean, several times that UFO themselves are an entity.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, these, these things, these, creatures, entities, aliens, whatever, phase completely through her door and when they went to take her out, they phased her through it too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's crazy.
55:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
55:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And now, and real quick, on the idea that UFOs are entities, something I hadn't considered until this very moment.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Epiphany, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
55:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So when you hear the word entity, I always think of a biological being like a Steve or a gray or a brat.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am an entity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if what if their AI is of, that's an entity
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean like that would be considered an entity it is Interest so it like because there is that hole like debate that UFOs are biological Yeah things which I don't I don't I don't think that I'm sold on that but if you were gonna spend it Like this is an entity on the classification that there is a lot of hyper advanced AI or something that agree inside it
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That makes sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We've read cases of that, too, where when people in like hypnotic regression, when they're getting close to the craft, they get a feeling that whatever the craft is, is a living sentient being.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like the people can almost feel some sort of feeling from the craft.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it would totally make sense that it would have some type of ultra AI, but also like you said earlier, like operating it could be just the craft tapping into the person's brain psyche.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that makes him feel that way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It almost like a forces like some sort of connection, forces an empathy like, oh, this is also a living creature.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe this isn't gonna be as bad as I thought it was gonna be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: True.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Newsflash it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hope it's verified.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be like, oh, so yeah, instead of using a submarine, let me just jump in a shark.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's dumb.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna do terrible things to your regardless.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
57:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So don't go with them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's another delve through the book and some evidence, possible evidence that people have come in contact, which is it's also interesting that it seems like if this truly
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[SPEAKER_00]: because you so far we've had accounts of
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[SPEAKER_00]: small numbers of people dying instead of because you know there's more than five people there checking out the fucking U.S. Oh yeah like when we talked about Roswell, there were people roaming all over that place before anybody got there to contain it.
58:19
[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe maybe the pathogen is more of like a touch-based thing that would make sense.
58:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I could then I could understand that because well I guess what I always when I think of viruses and shit, bad being bad, I always think of airborne.
58:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:33
[SPEAKER_00]: All you have to do is be within a specific vicinity.
58:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and then you're fucked.
58:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe it's more of like a touch-bath-based pathogen bodily fluid type thing, but I try to get healing bodily fluids on me.
58:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That's how you get healing herpes, well.
58:51
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
58:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Once again, can't be doing that.
58:54
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I can't explain that one away.
58:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Also makes me want to look into, we've never looked into the Kingsman crash version.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: There's so much shit that like we're 400 deep in this bitch almost.
59:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and there's still so much stuff that we haven't talked about.
59:11
[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't talked about keep your out of it.
59:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I've talked about Kingman like I think there's another one in my next episode.
59:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one that gets mentioned.
59:20
[SPEAKER_01]: We talk about Louisiana.
59:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
59:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not there there really is a there's and there's probably far more than that that we don't know about period the end.
59:33
[SPEAKER_01]: There's just too many UFOs for us to collect.
59:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It is, it's crazy to think about that.
59:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Like we're, we're legitimately 400 episodes in.
59:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we have covered a lot of alien stuff.
59:47
[SPEAKER_01]: We do do a lot of aliens.
59:49
[SPEAKER_01]: And people want to hear about cryptos.
59:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, there's so much alien shit.
59:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
59:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, get some big, big foot virus books out there.
59:57
[SPEAKER_00]: What's all that?
59:57
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1:00:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And it really, I mean, yeah, realistically we've only touched on shit in the United States.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, but she's also crazy.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I know there was a lot of shit going on in South America for a while.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: A lot of shit going on in Russia for a while.
1:00:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Which we get into a little bit.
1:00:42
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, kind of.
1:00:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a little subtle connection with Russia in the next episode.
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there's lots of there's stuff.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, lot of stuff.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're trying our best.
1:00:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We're trying.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_01]: But, our best is a lot of other people's worst.
1:00:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure, sure.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, on that note, thanks ring an out of the solid gold.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Be sure to tune in next week, part three of any of the inviruses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And hope everybody had a good week, you know what I mean?
1:01:18
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1:01:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And if you come across a down UFO, be sure to be safe and not contract alien herpes.