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First Drives of the 2022 Tundra, Tacoma, Hummer, and More · The Overland Journal Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Overland Journal podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 1: Scott Brady. My co host Matt. Scott is not with
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  Speaker 1: But I do have one of our senior editors here
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I've got Matt Sports with me today, and Matt
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  Speaker 1: is our senior editor for the Expedition Portal and The
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  Speaker 1: Overland Journal. Matt has a long history of spending time
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  Speaker 1: in remote areas. He does paragliding, all kinds of human
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  Speaker 1: five hundred ram with an airstream behind it, and Matt
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  Speaker 1: has been fortunate to go on a bunch of different
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  Speaker 1: vehicle launches recently, so we're going to spend some time
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  Speaker 1: today talking about the vehicle launches that Matt has been
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  Speaker 1: on and the vehicle launches I have been on. There's
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  Speaker 1: some very interesting vehicles that are coming to the market
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  Speaker 1: that we want to talk about and let you guys know.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to start off with the new Tundra. Cool, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because that is an important one for our audience because
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  Speaker 1: it is one of the most popular brands within the
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  Speaker 1: overland segment, being Toyota. And then the Tundra continues to
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  Speaker 1: gain in popularity as we see full sized trucks in
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  Speaker 1: general increase in popularity. And in fact, that's part of
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  Speaker 1: your motivation. What motivated you to go full size. I've
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  Speaker 1: wanted a truck for a long time and my partner,
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  Speaker 1: a Mandate, did too. Just the utility that you get
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  Speaker 1: out of them is so cool for adventuring, and like
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned, you know, we have a lot of human
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  Speaker 1: powered endeavors. Hiking, paragliding is the big one right now.
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  Speaker 1: You really need a truck to haul a gear and
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  Speaker 1: get to the places where you do these things. So
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  Speaker 1: previously we drove a Prius also, so it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: limited for you know, anything off the highway. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we knew we wanted a truck, but we had actually
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  Speaker 1: been looking at Tota truck smaller you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, Tacoma as at remember you mentioning that, Yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: you know, I love that platform. It's super fun and
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  Speaker 2: driven them. Anyone that's driven Tacoma generally has a good experience,
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  Speaker 2: except when it comes to towing or payload. They're limited there,
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  Speaker 2: which I wouldn't say it's a negative of the platform,
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  Speaker 2: it's just a reality of that mid sized truck. And
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  Speaker 2: so when we started thinking about being on the road again,
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  Speaker 2: because we had been living in Denver, we were kind
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  Speaker 2: of getting itchy feet and we weren't sure exactly what
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  Speaker 2: our plans were. And then we've gotten an airstream. We
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  Speaker 2: fell in love with it. We said, this is what
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  Speaker 2: we want to do. Now. We need to find a
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  Speaker 2: truck that can get us where we want to get to,
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  Speaker 2: but can also pull an eight thousand pound trailer. So
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  Speaker 2: that's where the full sized truck platform came in.
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  Speaker 1: And they have so much flexibility as you talked about,
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  Speaker 1: and we're seeing them growing rapidly within the community. People
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  Speaker 1: are finding the limits of the mid sized trucks and
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  Speaker 1: they're finding the limits of these smaller SUVs. And to
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  Speaker 1: be able to get the kind of either equipment that
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  Speaker 1: you want to bring along or a level of camping
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  Speaker 1: comfort that may maybe is important to you, that's when
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  Speaker 1: the full size start to really make a difference, and
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  Speaker 1: the Tundra has been very popular. But again they tend
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  Speaker 1: to be overbuilt by the owners, so they tend to
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  Speaker 1: get too heavy, and that's why we're seeing more and
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  Speaker 1: more of the three quarter ton and the one ton
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  Speaker 1: domestic products being used for that. The new Tundra, the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty two Tundra, it starts to address a few
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  Speaker 1: of those concerns. So it was great to see the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: About a month ago I went near their facility in Plano, Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I was able to see the vehicle in person, make
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of notes. We did a pretty extensive article
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  Speaker 1: on that for Expedition Portal. But then just last week
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  Speaker 1: I was able to go and drive the truck and
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  Speaker 1: I came away with a lot of praise for the vehicle.
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  Speaker 1: A few things that are just of note. They're not
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  Speaker 1: necessarily criticisms, but they're definitely items to note for someone
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  Speaker 1: who's looking to purchase one. But the first thing is
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  Speaker 1: they have really improved the capability of the truck. Previously,
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  Speaker 1: when you got a Tundra, you got this great five
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  Speaker 1: to seven V eight super powerful, also very reliable.
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  Speaker 2: Was used in the land Cruiser globally.
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  Speaker 1: It just provided a great platform for a kind of
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  Speaker 1: a general runabout full sized truck. But it never had
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  Speaker 1: a rear locking differential, so you relied entirely on traction
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  Speaker 1: control to navigate technical terrain. And the traction control was
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  Speaker 1: never that good. So that was the big difficulty is
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  Speaker 1: you had a V eight with a lot of torque
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  Speaker 1: and power, you had fairly poor performing rottle modulation from
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  Speaker 1: the vehicle. So we talk about it in technical terms
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  Speaker 1: as tip in when you first apply gas to the
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  Speaker 1: accelerator the Tundra. Because of the V eight and because
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  Speaker 1: of the way that they tuned the throttle, it would
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  Speaker 1: put a bunch of power down initially, which when you
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  Speaker 1: go for a test drive, it feels great. You feel
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  Speaker 1: like you're buying this really powerful vehicle. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: manufacturers do that. They do that for a reason, to
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  Speaker 1: give this sense of power and authority in the vehicles
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  Speaker 1: for a very positive test drive make for a very
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  Speaker 1: positive initial ownership. But on the trail it's a lot
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  Speaker 1: more difficult to manage and to modulate well.
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  Speaker 2: And it makes sense because I mean, you may have
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  Speaker 2: a better idea of the statistic, but I've heard that
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  Speaker 2: something like, it's like seventy five percent of truck owners
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  Speaker 2: won't even ever take them on the dirt. Yeah, might
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  Speaker 2: not even use the bed. So I mean they're really
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  Speaker 2: designing that the majority, you know, and for those majority
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  Speaker 2: of people, that's not going to be a bad thing.
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, it's your first experience behind the wheel
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  Speaker 2: and you've got power, and you're like, oh, this.
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  Speaker 1: Is great totally, and it's and the five seven sounds
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  Speaker 1: great and all those other things. And then they release
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  Speaker 1: the TRD Pro model, which, interestingly enough, I was actually
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  Speaker 1: able to drive that up to the to Prude Obey
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  Speaker 1: and above the Arctic Circle, so I was able to
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  Speaker 1: experience that vehicle in pretty wide range of conditions. But
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  Speaker 1: the nice thing about the new truck is that it
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  Speaker 1: does have a lot of power. In fact, has more
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  Speaker 1: power than the V eight.
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  Speaker 2: It's a twin turbo noutwright it.
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  Speaker 1: Is, so if you buy an SR five, you get
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  Speaker 1: a twin turbo V six and it makes good power,
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  Speaker 1: makes very similar numbers to the outgoing V eight, Or
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  Speaker 1: you can get a hybrid model, which is the I
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  Speaker 1: Force Max and that has four hundred and thirty plus
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  Speaker 1: horse power. It has five hundred and eighty plus foot
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  Speaker 1: pounds of torque. It is a very powerful vehicle to drive.
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  Speaker 1: Impressive in that regard for sure. How they've addressed that
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  Speaker 1: those problems with traction and the traction can is you
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  Speaker 1: can now get a rear locking differential. So that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the first huge win with this new twenty twenty two Tundra.
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  Speaker 1: You can get a driver selectable relocking differential. Is that
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  Speaker 1: standard equipment or is that an option? It's an option package.
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  Speaker 1: So if you were to buy an SR five, which
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  Speaker 1: as we kind of go through this, we'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: the vehicles that would how we would prep them ourselves.
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  Speaker 1: But I would personally not do the TRD PRO because
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  Speaker 1: I would want to maximize payload. So I would go
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  Speaker 1: with an SR five model and then just put on
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  Speaker 1: the option package of the TRD and the TRD gives
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  Speaker 1: you that rear locking differential, which is super important now
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  Speaker 1: on if you have a multi terrain select which you
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  Speaker 1: can get with the TRD package or with a TRD PRO,
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  Speaker 1: you can put it into rock mode. And then Toyota
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  Speaker 1: has done this very clever thing where they have remapped
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  Speaker 1: the throttle in rock crawling.
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  Speaker 2: Oh wow, So it.
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  Speaker 1: Gives this very soft tip in which makes a huge
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  Speaker 1: difference in controllability. So we now have the most capable
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  Speaker 1: Tundra ever produced from Toyota, and that's by a wide margin.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got a locking differential which settles everything down,
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  Speaker 1: you have great throttle modulation, you have really impressive approach
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  Speaker 1: departure breakover angles compared to the outgoing model, as well
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  Speaker 1: plenty of ground clearance. The TRD pro includes an over
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  Speaker 1: an inch of lyft from the factory in the front,
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  Speaker 1: so it's more of kind of a leveling if you
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  Speaker 1: think of it that way, so better ground clearance as well,
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  Speaker 1: some Falcon all terrain tires on there. This vehicle's a
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  Speaker 1: big improvement with regards to that. The other big news
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  Speaker 1: with twenty twenty two Tundra is that it's built on
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  Speaker 1: what they call their F one chassis, which I think.
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  Speaker 2: That's kind of a fun thing. I mean F one, right, but.
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  Speaker 1: Who doesn't want an F one chassis exactly exactly, So
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  Speaker 1: we have this F one chassis is what they call it,
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  Speaker 1: which is the same chassis that they use for the
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  Speaker 1: three hundred series land Cruiser.
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  Speaker 2: So does this come back to where you were calling
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  Speaker 2: the new Tundra the new land Cruiser.
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  Speaker 1: It is because we're not going to get the three
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  Speaker 1: hundred series land Cruiser, at least not initially, and most
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  Speaker 1: likely we're going to only see it as a Lexus variant,
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  Speaker 1: which it isn't the end of the world. At least
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  Speaker 1: we can get a verse of a land cruiser here.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty amazing that Toyota recognizes the advantage of starting
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  Speaker 1: to pair this world class global platform of the land
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  Speaker 1: Cruiser with some of the models that we get here
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  Speaker 1: in North America. So that's a huge wind for the consumer.
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  Speaker 1: This frame is incredibly impressive. I actually went to the
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  Speaker 1: factory where they make the frame and it is ten
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  Speaker 1: percent lighter and twenty percent stronger than the outgoing frame.
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  Speaker 2: That seems to be kind of a trend. I've seen
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  Speaker 2: that with a bunch of the new vehicles, like some
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  Speaker 2: of the other ones we're going to talk about the
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  Speaker 2: zer Rex. It's like it's lighter, but it's stronger.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And how Toyota does that is they strategically place
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  Speaker 1: these thicker pieces of metal on the frame and it's
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  Speaker 1: all robotic welded. In fact, the blanks for the frame
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  Speaker 1: come in on robotic forklift and then it goes through
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  Speaker 1: the entire process without a human being touching it. It
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  Speaker 1: is extremely sophisticated. Every single frame is one hundred percent
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  Speaker 1: tested for the depth of the weld, the quality of
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  Speaker 1: the weld, all of these very very tight tolerances. So
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  Speaker 1: you end up with a land Cruiser frame underneath a
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  Speaker 1: Toyota Tundra, which that and of itself is notable, but
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  Speaker 1: with that you gain a five link rear suspension. So
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  Speaker 1: it's the first of the Toyotas to have a five
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  Speaker 1: link and I suspect that we're going to see that
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  Speaker 1: extend on to the Tacoma as well. It's going to
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  Speaker 1: only make sense. They're learning all of this great information
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  Speaker 1: about how to do that.
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  Speaker 2: So for someone like me who is adventuring is like,
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  Speaker 2: I've grown up adventuring, but vehicles are a new component
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  Speaker 2: of adventuring to me. Sure, so tell me a little
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: bit about five link suspension as someone who doesn't know
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  Speaker 2: some of these more technical details. Because by doing that,
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  Speaker 2: they got rid of the leaf spring suspension in that truck, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that's kind of a big deal. It's the first
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  Speaker 2: time they've done that on that platform.
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  Speaker 1: It is, and they each have their advantages so a
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  Speaker 1: leaf sprung suspension has an ability to manage a much
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  Speaker 1: wider range of weight. It can be a little bit
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  Speaker 1: better ride quality when unloaded, and then it can be
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  Speaker 1: very heavily loaded without a whole bunch of squad in
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  Speaker 1: the rear, which is why most three quarter ton and
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  Speaker 1: one ton trucks still have leaf springs in the rear.
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  Speaker 1: They're also very simple and they're less expensive to produce.
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  Speaker 1: The advantage of the five link is that you can
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  Speaker 1: typically gain articulation. From that, you gain ride quality, and
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  Speaker 1: the most important thing is you gain a huge step
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  Speaker 1: up in handling and ride quality. So the handling improves
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  Speaker 1: because you now have these five links that are isolating
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  Speaker 1: the rear axle in exactly the path of travel that
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  Speaker 1: the designer wants it to work. So you don't get
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  Speaker 1: a lot of flex from the springs when you're coming around,
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  Speaker 1: like let's say a higher speed corner, you don't get
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  Speaker 1: all that deflection of the leaf pack. It all is
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  Speaker 1: very much stays planted, and it gives a lot better
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  Speaker 1: control over that. You also don't get any axle hop.
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  Speaker 1: So one of the things that we don't like about
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  Speaker 1: leaf sprung vehicles is that when you're on a corrugated
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  Speaker 1: road or you go to take off, they really can
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  Speaker 1: you get that chatter exactly and that goes away. Other
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  Speaker 1: than if there's already corrugations on the road, you'll feel
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  Speaker 1: those cycling. It doesn't impart additional chatter from the suspension.
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  Speaker 1: So that's why most SUVs how a solid rear axle
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  Speaker 1: are a five link rear because they're very isolating, they're
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  Speaker 1: very controllable, they're very consistent, they're very confidence inspiring to
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  Speaker 1: the driver. But then again, the downside is managing the weight,
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  Speaker 1: and Toyota does that on the Tundra. They handle that
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  Speaker 1: on some of the models by including airbag suspension. So
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  Speaker 1: once you have a five link with airbags, now you've
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  Speaker 1: solved all of that variability in the payloads. So if
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  Speaker 1: it's a lightly loaded truck rides great. If it's a
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  Speaker 1: heavily loaded truck, it rides great. So TRD pro doesn't
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  Speaker 1: come that way. The TRD anything with the locker, you
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  Speaker 1: can't get the airbag suspension, which some people will see
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  Speaker 1: that as an advantage because it's less complex. I actually
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  Speaker 1: am a huge fan of Toyota air suspensions. I had
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  Speaker 1: one on my Lexus and very reliable. Toyota's got that
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  Speaker 1: all figured out. It's not the air suspensions of old
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  Speaker 1: where you're always worried about them failing. They're much better now.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, that five link is a real upside. Now
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  Speaker 1: here's the interesting thing, and it's worth noting on the
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  Speaker 1: Tundra the airbag suspension system is not available on the
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  Speaker 1: TRD or the tird Pro. The oil sprung version actually
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  Speaker 1: has a little bit less articulation than the leaf sprung version.
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  Speaker 1: So people will oftentimes think like leaf springs are going
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  Speaker 1: to have less articulation.
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  Speaker 2: That's not always the case.
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  Speaker 1: It's just important for people to know when they buy
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  Speaker 1: this new Tundra that it actually has a little bit
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  Speaker 1: less flex And the reason for that is that the
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  Speaker 1: shocks are outboard of the frame and because of the packaging,
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  Speaker 1: they can only be so long, so the articulation is
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  Speaker 1: only limited by the shock length. So that's really easy
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  Speaker 1: to fix with the aftermarket. So you shouldn't you shouldn
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  Speaker 1: not buy it because it has a little bit less
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  Speaker 1: flex than the other version. But it's important to note
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  Speaker 1: that the aftermarket will respond with longer shock packaging and
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: some adjustments to the mounting configuration. To allow for I
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: suspect a ton of flex out of the back of
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: these Tundras. We were just talking about that the other day.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: I was asking you about articulation with lift insulation and
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: do you get more and you said, not automatically. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: So it depends on the vehicle, depends on the lift
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  Speaker 2: that you're putting on it, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: So overall, the new Tundra, it's an impressive vehicle. It's
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  Speaker 1: a huge step up from the outgoing model. I think
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  Speaker 1: that it's going to be extremely popular. Their anticipation being
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  Speaker 1: a quarter million units a year. This facility that I
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  Speaker 1: saw in San Antonio was massive. I mean, they are
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  Speaker 1: ready to make a lot of trucks, and there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot that I like about it. In fact, on the
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  Speaker 1: tird Pro, the only thing that there's two things I
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  Speaker 1: didn't care for. Payload's only sixteen hundred pounds, which again
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  Speaker 1: is an improvement over the outgoing model. And then it
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  Speaker 1: has this super red interior. I saw this photos. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's like and I get it, like it's it's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be the sporty, fun model and probably I'm not
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  Speaker 1: the right buyer for that interior, but I think some
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  Speaker 1: people will love it. But for me, they make a
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: seventeen ninety four model, which is named after the ranch
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  Speaker 1: that the factory is built on.
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  Speaker 2: Got it, so that.
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  Speaker 1: Ranch was opened in seventeen ninety four, and that interior
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  Speaker 1: is beautiful. It's super overlandy with like like wood and
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  Speaker 1: nice camel colored leather and stuff like that, so it's
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  Speaker 1: really it's really a little bit of a vintage feel. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's super handsome interior. And you can get the seventeen
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  Speaker 1: ninety four with the TRD package, so you can kind
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  Speaker 1: of get what you want, which is nice. You can
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  Speaker 1: make make that selection. So overall, a big thumbs up
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  Speaker 1: for me on the Tundra. I think it's a great
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  Speaker 1: new option and for people to consider. Payload is up,
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  Speaker 1: so you can get an SR five with a TRD
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  Speaker 1: package and you can get up into the high eighteen
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: hundred pound range on payload, which is a big improvement
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: over the outgoing model.
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Thunder is a nice one. Nice. So yeah, well,
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: I hope I get to drive one at some point.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: It sounds well, I think we'll get one here for
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: some longer term testing, which I think will be will
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: be good. But you drove the kind of the opposite
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: of that. You drove the TRX super truck, and what
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: did you think of that.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it's the first super truck I've ever driven.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: You know, I haven't driven too many trucks period, So yeah,
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: it's it's a pretty wild vehicle. You know. It has
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: that hellcat engine at yeah six point four I think, yeah,
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: six point four, six point four okay, Yeah, so it's big.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: It makes seven hundred and two horse power. I don't
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: remember the specs on the torque, but it's a lot. No,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I think you're I think you're right. I'm picturing the
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: six point two. I don't know.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, maybe there's a there's a six four,
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: and then there's a there's a couple of different variants.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: But yeah, monster engine, Monster engine. It sounds really nice. Yeah. Yeah,
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: the sound when you bury the accelerator on that is
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: just wild. It's a very you know, like visceral kind
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: of emotional feeling totally, and I'm not one for that
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. I've never owned a fast car in
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: my life, like I've owned a I owned a two
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: thousand and one super Forester. That was the first car
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: I ever owned. Yeah, it wasn't a turbo. It was slow,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: you know, and then we had a Prius and now
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: we have a truck and but yeah, so the t
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Rex super cool vehicle. We got to drive it in
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: the cinders up by flag Staff, which that's a nice
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: spot for that. Oh yeah, I mean it's if you
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: could come up with the perfect place to demonstrate the
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: capability of that truck, that's it. You know, maybe that
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: or baha, I don't know, you know, driving on some sand,
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: but the truck has the incredible power. But that truck
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: also has a really great suspension from Bill Stein, an
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: active suspension, which is cool. So it's actually adjusting in
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: real time to the train, which is when you're behind
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: the wheel of it. It's it's just such a comfortable
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: experience on such a variety. You know, we drove on
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: some straightaways fast which they look flat, but they're actually
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: bumpy sure, and just the truck's ability to make up
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: for those bumps is incredible. It's surprising at speed that
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: it could handle terrain like that so well.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: And it has the five link in the rear on
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: that too, so again very controllable.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And one of the things that I think is interesting
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: about a lot of these new vehicles with the increased
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: capability is it gives the driver so much confidence. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you were driving that truck likely faster than you would
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: ever consider driving a vehicle on that terrain.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and yeah, I would never do have my
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: personal truck like that, you know, but I was encouraged
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: to drive it like that kind of that, like drive
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: it like you stole it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: But how fun is that to just like have someone say,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: we really believe in this truck. Why don't you see
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: what it can do?
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a blast. We started off our
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: test by using the launch control feature, which is really cool.
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: You know. It lets you set a predetermined rpm range
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: that the engine will hold at even when you're flooring
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: the accelerator. So you basically hit the launch button, you
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: stand on the brake, you get on the display. It
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: actually shows you the PSI that you're generating with the brakes.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: You hold the brakes, you jan the accelerator to the floor,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: you know, you watch the tachometer go up and it
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: holds that you're predetermined rpm range, and then you let
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: off the brake and it takes off.
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: So I think it goes zero to sixty and just
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: under four seconds or somewhere around.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think if you read on the RAM website
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: they say four point five seconds. But okay, I've since
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: found a lot of people who have you know, third
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: parties who have driven it and tested it, and they've
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: they've gotten it under four seconds. I've heard as little
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: as three and a half, which I don't know if
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: that's accurate, but yeah, it's wild. And I mean, so
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: we were driving it mostly on these cinders, so this
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: loose material. We obviously aired down the tires significantly because
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: it is so loose, but it was still just wild
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: how well it did, how it managed to float over
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: that terrain. We did kind of some slow, narrow trail
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: sections where we got to, you know, experience the articulation
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that the truck has, and it's actually very good. There
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: was some pretty off camber and cross actual sections and
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: I don't recall ever losing wheel contact. Yeah, it's long
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: travel for sure. Yeah, I believe you get thirteen inches
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: of travel on all four corners of the truck, which
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: is I'm not sure how that stacks up in the segment,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: but I assume it's pretty good.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's really good. And Matt Scott has one
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: as well, and he praises the vehicle. And if you
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: think of it from if you wanted to own one vehicle,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: you kind of end up with a sports car and
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: you end up with the desert racing. It would be
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: your version of a u TV or something like that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: And then you can also take it on technical terrain
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: because it has locking differential and it has those capabilities differentially.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: It definitely has locking differential, and yeah, it has selectable
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: driving modes too, you get. We drove it in Baja
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: mode most of the time, which I think it turns
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: off traction control and it you know, it really just
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: loosens the truck up and I means to hang it
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: out there. Yeah, it's so fun. We did a high
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: marketing exercise in this volcanic crater, which is like this
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: is work apparently, you know. But it was incredible, so,
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: you know, driving it up the steep hillside and then
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this was a really interesting thing because a truck that
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: has this much power and these many features, you still
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: have to rely on your driving prowess, you know, because
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you can still bury a truck like this, and oh
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: for sure quickly. Yeah, one of our participants did they
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they came up around the high part of
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: this exercise and then down through the loose cinders and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: they didn't quite carry enough power and they bogged down
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: and then they floor did after they lost momentum, and
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: they just sank right down, you know, just about to
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the axles. And it's no fault to the truck. So
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: we pulled out the max tracks, we did some digging,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: we got it out no problem.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what a fun vehicle. I mean, in my mind,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: it just does so many different things. It just doesn't
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: have any payloads, so you basically you bring a backpack
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: along and go and go have some smiles. I mean,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: it's just you don't really load it up. I think
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: it's under one thousand pounds of payloads.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's not much and the towing is limited
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: to yeah, you know, which it's not meant for that. No,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: no it's not. It's I think the thing that comes
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: to mind with that truck is fun. It is about fun.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: It feels a little bit like toy, you know, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: expensive toy, but it feels like a toy. It's fast,
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: it's sporty, I mean kind of like the Toyota. The
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: interior is a statement. You know, it's very sporty. You've
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: got this like swede and leather wrap steering wheel, You've
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: got a big, you know, touchscreen display, you've got a
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: loud stereo. Sure, it's just beautiful and comfortable, and it's
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: it's super fun. I mean, if I win the power Ball,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that's what you're getting. That's yeah, I said that a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: few times now, you know, not exactly practical for my
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: lifestyle right now, but man if I could afford to
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: have a second vehicle just for fun, that would maybe
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: be high on my list right now.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Well, and I'm thinking just going down Baja, you bring
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a tent spearfishing stuff and throw it in the bed
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and just I mean it would be great on next one,
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it would be great on all the back roads. Yeah,
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: it'd be a super fun vehicle for like you said,
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: you know, as long as you don't need to load
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: it up with payload. If you can go super light
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: maybe you know. Yeah, yeah, I think it'd be a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: fun travel vehicle for sure. Yeah, definitely awesome. Well, let's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: pivot a little bit. You also drove the SUPERU out
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: back wilderness, which there's there's an enormous amount of interest
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: in this vehicle because Subreu's they have this reputation for
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: reliability and durability for a car, and then they have
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: slowly added capability through the years with improved traction control,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: additional ground clearance, better approach and departure angles. Subaru keeps
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: pushing the envelope of crossing the lines between basically a
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: car and in a high clearance crossover car. What was
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: your thoughts on the Wilderness.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: Subaru's probably the car that I have the longest relationship with.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: My first car was a Forester. My family all. I
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: grew up on the East coast, so in the northeast,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: so everyone that doesn't have a truck generally drives a
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: super roof sure so that you don't get stuck in
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the snow. So driving the Wilderness Edition was very reminiscent
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: of driving other subar Us. It was very comfortable, first
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of all. I mean the one that we were in,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: it's you know, it's comfortable, interior, leather, loaded, loaded up loaded,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: It's got great driving features. It has selectable driving modes
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that are kind of akin to the stuff we've been
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: talking about already, you know, like a rock and sand mode,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and car does a great job of adapting to the terrain,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: so we use some of those. I got to drive
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: on some steep, loose and rocky terrain that is maybe
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: a little bit more technical than what most people would
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: want to take a Subaru on, and this car did fantastic.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Actually a little bit of slip here and there, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: that was I think more my fault, you know, just
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: because this is a different kind of driving style. It's sure,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: it's not four wheel drive. It doesn't have a locker.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: It's all wheel drive, you know. I didn't have big
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: knobby tires on. It had some at tires, but so
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it took a little bit more skill to get through
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: some of the more technical terrain that other vehicles just
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: had no problem with. But it sounds like it also
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: did it whenever the other vehicles went it did it.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: It has the Wilderness Edition. I believe they give it
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a little lift they go down to I think it
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: was a seventeen inch wheel with a bigger tire. Nice.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: They have skid plating on it. It's got the turbo engine,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: so it's got a good amount of power.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Is it a CVT or is it a Does it
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: shift and does it have a continuously variable transmission or
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: does it.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Good question yours? I think it was a CVT, don't
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: me to that. Ill, we'll check that out. We can
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: look at that. But super comfortable to drive, surprisingly capable
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: for what it was. And then when you get on
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: the just the dirt that's not technical. I feel like
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: that's its sweet spot. I mean, you can drive it
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: fast and it just it sticks. It doesn't it doesn't
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: get loose in the corners. It feels like a rally
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: car kind of or what you pick, which a rally car,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: which is fun and it's a rally car with a
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: little bit of a lift. Yeah, I mean that's kind
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: of their roots for off read stuff, right like, Yeah,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Suber is big in the rally world. And yeah, yeah,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: great car. I mean, and it had a roof top
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: tent set up on it, you know, they had it interesting. Yeah,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: they had it set up for having fun going out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: into the back country. And on this trip, this was
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: prior to over Land Expo West in Flagsaff, and we
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: went up to the north rim of the Grand Canyon
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: and we had a whole handful of vehicles and I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: mean some really really capable vehicles. Sure, I would say
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: this is probably one of the least capable in the group.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: But it hung, It had no issue, It made it
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: did it did everything that the other trucks did. It
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: never got stuck. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, there's a
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: lot to say about a Subaru.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Something that you can drive every day, get reasonable gas
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: mileage out of it, and then definitely I think the
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: key to them is not to overmodify them. We see
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of them that get too heavy and then
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: it just starts to ruin the attributes of the vehicle,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: like the gas knowledge plummets typically when you overmodify them.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Sure, I destroyed my Subaru by hauling firewood. I would
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: just go and cut full trees, buck them in the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: six foot pieces, put them in the back, and obviously
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: my suspension suffered. But I think one of the other
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: really cool things about the Subaru, and this was something
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that came up on our test drive, but you know,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it's valuable for everyone to know about is the value
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: you get out of this vehicle. It's under forty ky
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: and it's got a turbo, it's got skid plating, it's lifted.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: It can do many overland adventures that you would want
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: to do, but it's less than forty k And yeah,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: that's something you can't say about many of the vehicles
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: that we talk about, you know, especially when you get
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: into modifying them. So just to be able to yeah
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: that's true, to enter this overland, you know, for a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: new vehicle, right sure, but you know, to have option
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: for like you said, something that you can daily drive
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and it feels like a practical daily driver, but you
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: can also take on an adventure like this. That's super cool.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: And that's awesome because you know, it's great to see
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: more vehicles coming to market that will allow people to
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: explore the space that we like to play in because
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: it's so cool. But it shouldn't feel like an exclusive space.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And you don't need this, you know, you don't need
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: a crazy super truck to go do that. You can
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: get a Subaru and there's kind of small and nimble.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: And you were with us that day when we were
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: we took the Ranger out and we took that Wrangler
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: out and we had that problem with the breaks locking
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: up on the Ranger, so we had to just kind
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: of leave it there. I hopped in Aaron, my girlfriend's Subaru,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: and we you know, so we're in her. It's stock
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: vehicle super Forrester, totally stock, and we drove all the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: way in on that trail to go get the Ranger
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and it was no trouble. And it wasn't even like, oh,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I'm going to drive it because it's technical terrain. I mean,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: she's a good driver and there was no reason to
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: swap out. So I actually got out and took some
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: photos nice and like rutted, you know, deep roots and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: deep ruts and little rocks and stuff, and the car
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: just literally didn't even hiccup, didn't spind a tire, the
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: whole thing. And it makes you realize maybe we kind
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: of overgame it too much when something that's simple and
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: lost a stock is usually the best option.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just a good reminder. You know,
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: it's fun to have the vehicle with all the bells
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: and whistles, but you cann't get by with something much simpler.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: And for a lot of people that's going to be
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: more appealing because not everyone wants to take the time
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: or spend the money to do what we do to
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: some of these vehicles.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: Totally Well, that's a good example. So like with my Sierra,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I've got the camper on there, and everything else. I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: just don't drive it as often as a daily driver
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: anymore because it's kind of set up for travel. So
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: now we take her car a lot of the time.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: And so I'm going to get a little spring lift
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: for it, and I'm gonna get a little bit bigger tire.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: That's all I'm gonna do. It's just a couple little
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: things because we take it hiking and take the bikes out,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, and just to have a little bit more
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: capability maybe kind of along the lines of the wilderness.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And then you've got a super capable little vehicle that
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: can get you where you want to go.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty fun.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you got a chance to test that
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: because it's a vehicle that I think think there's a
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: lot of interest. In fact, some of our most popular
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: articles have been about super us, so there's a lot
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: of people that want to use them for this kind
• 28:06
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• 29:11
  Speaker 1: We're gonna pivot it back back again the extreme opposite
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: direction again, from the TRX to the Hummer.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to hear about this one.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, I had the chance to
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: be one of the first to drive the Hummer.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Ev it is.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's difficult to describe because it is so
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: contrary to most of our experiences driving vehicles. So it
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: weighs nine pounds, it's a a big vehicle. Yeah, So
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: it weighs more than any I mean, it weighs more
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: than your ram for example. It's just it's extremely heavy
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: because of the batteries and all of the hardware and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the size of the hardware that needs to be on
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it to handle all of that power. And then it
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: makes one thousand horse power and it makes the electric
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: vehicle equivalent of eleven thousand foot pounds of torque, which
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: is insane?
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Does that? Does that equate to torque and a gasoline engine? Like?
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: Is that as if you had eleven thousand foot pounds
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: of torque in a gasoline engine?
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: It's the it's their equivalent of it. So it's it's
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: like it's like trying to compare an internal combustion engine
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: fuel economy to electric fuel economy. It's like a colcusing
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: it's like a calculation, right that kind of takes it
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: into consideration.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: It feels like eleven thousand pounds orlow. I mean it is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll just start with with the fact that
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: it has this mode that's called WTF.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I remember writing about this when it came up, Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: which which means watts to freedom. But of course it
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: actually means exactly what you think it means, because when
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: that thing launches zero to sixty, that's exactly what you say.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: You actually you don't say anything at first, because you're
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: trying to capture breath and not and not slam your
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: head into the headrest. Going to say you're getting pinned
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: back into your seat. I watched your video which is
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: on the YouTube channel, and I mean it looks like
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: you're in a race car.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was incredible. It was incredible. I mean, and
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: I was I was anticipating it. I mean, I knew
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: it was going to launch hard. There was no way
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I could hold myself in that position on the seat.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I was pinned against the head rest and yeah, zero
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: to sixty and three seconds.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It must have a pretty decent traction control system too, then,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: to manage all of that power without just immediately losing
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: traction and giving you wheelspin In fact, I would.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Say that is the greatest engineering feat that they accomplished,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: is managing that amount of power in the seamless way
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: that it does. So we always think about like land
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: rover or jeep when it comes to traction control and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: those kinds of systems. GM has absolutely nailed it with this.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: To have that kind of power and for it to
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: break the tires free, so it'll actually you can hear
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: the tires squealing, but it doesn't just light them up
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: and then you lose performance going forward. It's very seamless.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: You don't feel it cutting the power. It just feeds
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: this tremendous amount of torque to these tires. Now, it
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: has like the equivalent of a thirty five twelve fifty
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: tire on there. It's a custom made tire specifically for
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: the Hummer to be able to handle that that kind
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: of power, and it'll take a thirty seven with essentially
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: no modification. So it's just incredible to go that fast
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: like a sports car, or faster than most sports cars
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: still be able to have a thirty seven inch tall tire.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: You know, it's got the equivalent of a virtual rear
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: locking differential because it has two motors in the rear.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: The motors work together to create the effect of a locker.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: So it's two in the rear, is it one in
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: the front, one in the front, Okay, yeah, which is
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: different from like the Rivian which has four motors and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the one in the front. It feeds a differential like
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: we would have on a standard foal drive in the front.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: And then so it's kind of like a hybrid. It is,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: because a lot of hybrid they do just four wheel
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to do a motor per wheel right.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Correct, Like a Tesla will do two motors that feed
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to differentials. Oh, they do a differential two. Yeah, And
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: it depends on the It just depends on the design.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: The Rivian one is quite interesting because then it has
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: total control over each wheel, which actually allows it to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: do that tank mode, so it can it can rotate
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: in its within its within its wheelbase. That's all the
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: interesting stuff that comes with an electric vehicle. You can
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: just do things that internal combustion didn't allow, and you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: can think outside the box. And they really did that
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: with the Hummer. I mean it has a front locking differential.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I found an interesting situation. We were in the rocks
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and these were fairly large boulders. I mean, it would
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: be a challenge even for a Rubicon wrangler. And I
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: was going very slow because I was trying to get
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: a sense for how the vehicle, you know, modulated all
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: that kind of power. And I had the front right
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: up against the ledge and the rear left up against
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: the ledge, and I kind of stopped up against the ledge,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: and I was trying to see how it would how
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: much tractive performance it had, and what's the interesting thing
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: about electric motors until they get moving a little bit,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: they actually don't have They don't have that kind of power.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: So it's not like it's sitting there idling or at
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a low rpm like it would with an automatic transmission
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: or with the manual transmission. It's you know, the engines
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: just sitting there idling at a certain amount of rpm.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: So it's already got some mass in motion. The electric
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: motor is not moving at all. So if you're up
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: against a ledge and the motor isn't moving at all,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: you aren't making even a fraction of that power. So
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: I actually was able to stall the electric motors because
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: because it was trying to do brake traction control at
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the same time as climbing the ledge, which was too
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: much for the weight of the vehicle.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: So how I solved it was I did the virtual
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: locking in the rear and then I did the front
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: locking differential. So now the brake traction controls not robbing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: torque from the system. Sure, and it climbed right up
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the rock, no problem, no problem. So it was really
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but that was an interesting thing is that with an
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: electric vehicle, you don't really want to come to a stop,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Like even if it's just the wheels are barely rolling,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: got it, that's going to be an ideal way to
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: get through technical terrain like coming to a full stop
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: up against a ledge. It's pretty difficult for an electric
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: motor to overcome that, especially in a nine thousand pound vehicle.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: So, now this is just to clarify again, you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: try and understand it from a technical perspective. Electric motors
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: do do have full torque at the bottom of the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: RPM range, right, but this what you're describing right now
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: is a little bit different.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So the motor has to start moving in order
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: for it to generate all of that torque.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Got it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: So the fact that the that the motors were stopped
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: and then they were having to overcome all of that
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: resistance of a nine thousand pound vehicle, it couldn't even
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: get moving, couldn't even get the motor turning fast enough
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: to begin to generate all of that insane amount of torque,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: got it. Got So that's where another way to solve
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: it would have been, I could have backed up two
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: inches and then little momentum, Yeah, and then it would
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: have it wouldn't even had to have been a lot
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: of momentum, just something to get the motor turning and
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: then it would have solved the problem. But it just
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: means that as we start to use electric vehicles more
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: in the back country, there'll be a little bit of
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: a learning curve for us as drivers of like, Okay,
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: this is how this system works, and this is this
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: is how we can help it optimize for performance. And
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that was So that was an interesting revelation with that.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: What kind of can you comment on, like what kind
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: of range you actually got with the off road driving?
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Was it still pretty good?
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: It was difficult to know because I mean, we used
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: hardly any power, but it was a fairly short route
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: because it was it was really just a first drive.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: These were still prototypes.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: They were had a lot of even three D printed
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: components and stuff still on them, but they were functionally
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: like production.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they were very, very very close.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: But I think that based upon what they're saying three
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: hundred to three hundred and fifty mile range, I think
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: if you're in mixed terrain, like I'm thinking an ideal
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: situation would be like in Colorado when you're up in
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the mountains, because first of all, the electric motor doesn't
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: care about atmospheric pressure.
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, you're not worried about no ratios to air.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: It's it's indifferent two changes.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Totally indifferent, which means you're making just as much power
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: at twelve thousand feet as you are at sea level.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: It's not affected by that at all. So that's one
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: big advantage for the electric sure. And then when you're
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: going up and down hills, you can take advantage of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the region.
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: Right. So if you're doing like a long descent off
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: a pass in Colorado, I mean you're talking like you
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: could be doing five to ten miles of downhill. Correct.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of region that gets you,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: but I mean it's actually getting power back.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's a lot because those those motor generators, they generate
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: an enormous amount of power in region, and.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: It gives you great control on the way down too.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Right, it does. It's amazing. Yeah, it's totally amazing. And
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: it actually has a low selector on the gear shifter.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: It's not a gear shifter on the suggestion of a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: gear shifter, So you have a standard driving mode and
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: then you have a low and the low changes the
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: way that the motor interacts with the with the throttle,
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: and it also engages regen much more quickly, so it's
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: like being in low range. And then this was very clever.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: I've never seen this before in an electric vehicle, but
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: it has like we would have a paddle shifter at
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: the steering wheel. It's on the left side. There's a
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: regen paddle. Okay, so when you're coming down off of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a ledge or whatever, you can grab full regen and
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: it will nearly bring the thing to a stop.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: So it's almost like engine breaking at your fingertips on
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: the steering wheel. It's incredible interesting. And this is when
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: it gets even more fun.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: So you're coming you're on you're driving fast on a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: gravel road around a big sweeper and you want to
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: step the rear end out. You don't even have to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: do it with the accelerator. You can just grab a
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: handful of that region and it just rotates the car
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: around really and you can then you can feed into
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: the throttle and we'll just hang this beautiful drift all
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: around the corner. So I mean, it's it's really it's
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: really fun. It's extremely capable. We have to talk obviously
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: about the contrary to that, which is it's also one
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: hundred and twelve thousand dollars. So it's a very expensive vehicle,
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: but again in the context of a King Ranch f
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: three point fifty, it's it's just a little bit more money.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: It's not as much as we would think with how
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: expensive new cars have gotten, sure, but it is very expensive.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: One hundred and twelve thousand bucks is a lot of money.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: As these manufacturers come online, the infrastructure has not quite
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: come up to be able to support electric for a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: lot of backcountry use. So like, for example, you could
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: do the El Camino del Diablo trail in Arizona, because
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: it is it's the longest unsupported route at one hundred
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and fifty six miles, you would have access to charging
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: on both ends. Where it would get complicated would be
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: I'm going to go into southern Utah and I'm going
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: to kind of bounce around in the mountains and in
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the desert with just these small little towns where we
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: would normally get gas. There's not charging infrastructure there yet.
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: So until some charging infrastructure develops where you would find
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: a rural gas station, that's going to become more difficult.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But once that happens, then you're you're looking at essentially
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: the same range as you have with a current oil drive.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: It is the reason why I like these small displacement
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: diesels like in the Sierra that I drive, because I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: get six hundred plus mile range that's incredible, which is
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: really incredible. And in your truck you can add a
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: larger fuel tank and you could easily match that as well.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: So then you're down in Baja and you're driving for
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: weeks without needing to refuel in the back country because
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: you have so much range, whereas that would be an
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: impossibility currently with electric.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: It seems like for off highway use for electric vehicles,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: the hybrid still kind of has the edge because you
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: get some electric power or you can you know, some
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: of these hybrids you can drive in pure electric mode,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: but then you have the backup of the gasoline or
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: diesel engine or whatever it is, so you're not going
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: to get stranded necessarily.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: Well yeah, which is a perfect segue into talking about
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the Wrangler.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, y e.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I mean that one was the it was the first
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: hybrid or electric that got me the most excited because
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: it was literally a perfect solution the day that it dropped,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: Like you could use that vehicle. However, you would normally
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: use an overland vehicle, but then you could also drive
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: a short commute without ever consuming any fuel.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Is that correct. It'll go in electric only mode, Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: you can. You can say electric only mode, and I
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: think you get about twenty four miles of range on
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: pure electric driving, which is awesome. I mean, for it
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: is awesome. Ninety percent of people, that's going to be
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: enough to use that vehicle as a daily driver not
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: spend any money on you know, gasoline commuting to work
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: or running errands around town. And then you can go
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: and do longer drives and you'll still get decent gas mileage,
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: and you can go on the trail and it does
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: sign again Regen also if you put it there's a
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: there's a Regen mode. I don't remember what the term
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: is that they use the gvuses for that, but I
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: mean you can have the electric batteries in that down
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: to zero. You can put it in Regen mode, drive
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: it on the gasoline engine and recharge the batteries completely
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: just through normal driving. It takes some time obviously, you know,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: but yeah, you can recover that and it's it's just
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: it's super cool to have a plug in hybrid like that,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: and you know where you don't have to you're not
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: having to use the gasoline engine if you don't want again,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: for short trips, you can really take advantage of the
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: electric Yeah.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: I mean I think about my own habits for my
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: own daily routine. I live five point seven miles from
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: the office, yep, so I would never have to consume
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: any fuel. And right now, I mean, fuel prices are
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: going through the roof. There's a there's a shortage on supply,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and a vehicle like that completely removes that as being
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: a concern unless you're going to go do a long trip.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: So if you're driving a short commute every day, it
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what the price of fuel is in
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: that moment. If we're having these spikes and prices like
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: we're experiencing right now, So I think that that's really useful.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: And then the torque of an electric motor in conjunction
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: with a gasoline engine, Yeah, that's a really nice combination absolutely.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: I mean when I drove that vehicle down in Texas,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I wasn't wanting for any more power. I mean, it
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: feels powerful. It takes off pretty quickly, especially for like
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: a Wrangler platform you know how fast you want it
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: to be. Yeah, exactly. You don't need it to be fast.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: It's not about speed with that. But yeah, the combination
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: of the electric and the gas I think gets that.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: I don't remember how much horsepower in Turka gen rates.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: It's plenty, let's just say that. And especially for off
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: road driving too. I mean, one of the really cool
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: things about having the ability to put it in pure
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: electric mode is if you have the power in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: batteries when you're on the trail, you can do that
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: and it's also quiet. Yeah, so it's a very different
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: driving experience in that way, which I really like. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: kind of I didn't laugh at that suggestion that that
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: would be significant, but I didn't quite realize how much
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I would appreciate that.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: I remember the some of the Hummer engineers talking about
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: that because they do so much testing in Michigan and
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: they'll be in these little back roads in the Hummer
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: comp and you're only hear like the crunching of the tires.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: And they said the number of times that they surprise
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: deer and other animals when they're out there because it's
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: so quiet. And to me, that I think is going
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: to be one of the one of the real upsides
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: to electric for overlanding is we can when we're out
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: in the mountains and we're more connected with nature a
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: little bit. I think that there's times when the roar
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: of a TRX there's nothing that brings a small to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: your face faster than that. But then there's also times
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: when you do want to be totally silent. How often
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: do we get to be in the back It's not
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: that often, So why not just fully experience that as
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: quiet as possible?
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. I mean I think that's part
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: of you know, we love getting out there into the
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: back country, and it's part of that's also just respecting
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: the resource and the other people out there, right, Like, yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: for sure, not everyone wants to have a vehicle based adventure.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: There's some people hiking out there, there are people mountain biking,
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and I think, you know this, this could help kind
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: of break down a rift between these user groups too,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: you know if I think it would help. Yeah, if
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: people like side by sides, right, they very loud, They
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: make a lot of noise, so much so that there
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: are even some communities that are starting to introduce local
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: legislation to prevent them from you know, driving like we've
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: seen this in Moab. Having electric vehicles is I think
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: it could be a really big game changer as far
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: as off road vehicle based recreation.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: And I think UTVs will eventually be electric too. I
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: think it's going to be the only way they're going
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: to solve the problem.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're so loud it does electric vehicles seem
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: to be the future. I mean, I've only my only
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: real experience so far as driving the four by e
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: in pure electric mode and driving a Tesla I don't
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: remember which model it was.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: But then you had the hybrid f one fifty for
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: a little while too.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I did. I got to drive that too, And I
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: mean I haven't no vehicle that's a hybrid or electric
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: vehicle has let me down so far as being capable,
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: and it's I'm excited for it. It does make me
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: a little bit sad, you know, having invest today. Yeah, sure,
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: a diesel vehicle. It's like there's going to be an
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: end to the lifespan of that at some point.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Maybe I think that I think that a lot of
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: households will end up being two vehicle families. It's going
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to make sense to have something like your ram that
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: can because you try to tow an airstream with an
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: electric vehicle and your range is going to be very
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: very short.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. So maybe they kind of fall
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: into the category of being very specialized vehicles. I think
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: that's what will happen.
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, over one hundred years ago people wrote they
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: rode horses and they would draw their carriage with a horse,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and people thought, oh, it's the end of the horse.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: No one's going to own horses anymore. Lots of people
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: own horses because they're a joy to ride. Sure they
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: becomes something of pleasure, or they become something or a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: very specific task, like if you are working on a
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: ranch or whatever, and it'll be the same thing for
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: internal combustion engines. They're not going to go away because
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: well they may eventually, but it not likely within my
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: lifetime because they still have a very specific purpose. If
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: you're in the middle of Africa where there is no infrastructure,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: there is no power infrastructure, you're going to need to
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have a diesel powered vehicle. And if you're wanting to
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: tow a real heavy trailer like that or over the road.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Trucking is another challenge that they're trying to overcome as well.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: So I think for a while at least it'll be
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: it'll be that way, but the average consumer, for the
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: average commute, yeah, it's going to come pretty quick.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense in my mind.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, Well let's let's talk a little
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: bit about the twenty twenty two Tacoma that you drove,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: and then there was also a factory available lift for
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that too.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So that was another recent test drive in Colorado.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: We were in the front range area, kind of Kenosha Pass,
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Georgia Pass around the Colorado Trail. So we took out
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the We took a twenty twenty one tierdy Pro Tacoma.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: We Toyota's a new factory lift kit. We took twenty
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: twenty two Tacoma tierdy Pro, a twenty twenty two Tacoma
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Trail Edition, and a twenty twenty two to four Runner
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: tierty Pro. So we had all four of those vehicles
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: out for three days of driving and it was a
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: great experience I would I would say starting with the
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one with the factory lift, I don't recall
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: exactly how much for a lift it gives you. I
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: think it's a couple. Yeah, I think it basically it
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: brings the twenty twenty one up to the same lifting
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: clearances as the twenty twenty two, approximately around there. And
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: I think, like you talked about, it's a bit more
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: of a leveling than anything, because I think you get
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: it's like an inch and a half in the front,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: maybe a half inch in the back something like that.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: It was very comfortable. I think as far as the
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: comfort of the suspension, it was very similar between the
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and the twenty twenty two, although the
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty two has a new box suspension, I believe
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it is, and it was that was the plush vehicle
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty two. At the box suspension, it was
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: so settled driving through obstacles, you know, having big events
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: like coming up onto rocks, coming down off of rocks.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: There was not a whole lot of bouncing around or movement.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: It just felt settled, is the way I would describe it.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: And that's that's really nice for the driver too, because
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: then you're not getting all that head toss, the passengers not.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Getting thrown around.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, it's it's definitely and it's interesting because the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Tundras the same way. If you get the TRD Pro Tundra,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: the ride quality improves quite a bit.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: And also we were just talking about hybrids, and the
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: new tird Pro only comes as a hybrid. So I
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: mean you developed five hundred and eighty three foot pounds
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: of torque from a hybrid drive train.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: So, oh, this is the Tundra. Yeah, the new Tundra. Yeah,
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: got it? Yeah. Yeah. Other notable stuff about the Tacoma.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: I guess stylings change a little bit. You know, it's
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: not performance related, but you know now now the badge
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: is stamped in the rear quarter panel instead of a decal.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: You've got these machined red billet aluminum upper control arms
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: that are like you see them from like fifty feet away,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: peeking out from you know, underneath the fender wells and
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: what else. The badge has changed. It's like a little
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: bit of a retro badge. Now. It's bright colors now too, Yeah,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: that bright. I think they call it electric lime green,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: which won't you won't lose your truck in a parking
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: lot now now now you won't. It's it's amazing how
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: polarizing that is. I mean, toot is pretty well known
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: for doing these bold colors, whether it's like I think
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: it's grown, I think it's great. I love them too.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I still the Lunar still is my favorite out of
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: the new colors that they're doing. Yeah, but love that color.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: But that electric line is bright. But then feature wise,
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's got all this stuff that we've kind
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: of talked about. It's got the terrain select mode, so
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: you can do rock and sand and there's all the
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: other ones think mind yeah, and then there's even like
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: a corrugations like type setting. I had in the rock
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: mode most of the time because that's what we were
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: encountering on the trail. Sure, it was great. I had
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: no traction issues again, trying to use my abilities to
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: manage that as well, you know, because any vehicle will
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: spin the wheels if you don't know what you're doing.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Just a really comfortable vehicle to drive overall. Yeah, Tacomas
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: are so capable. Yeah, the size is just so nice,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you know, especially now having the full size truck. Anytime
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I get back into a medium sized truck, it's like
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: it feels like a sedan to me. And for tight
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: narrow trails, I mean that's awesome. You're not worried about
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: scraping up against things. You can get through narrow sections,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: and it still had I was really impressed by the
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: clearance that it had. I mean, we drove through a
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: lot more technical train than I would ever want to attempt.
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: Just I think it was to prove the vehicle's ability
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: and it did really well. Yeah, and I had no issues.
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: Even in the trail edition to Coma, which was a
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: pre production model that we drove it locker wasn't working.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: Oh and I did.
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: Trail addition to Coma, not a trail edition for Runner. Yeah,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: it was the trail addition to Coma. So it's a
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: new model it is.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's got these really handsome bronze rims and
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: you know, it's mostly a styling thing. It's not quite
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: as capable as the Tiarty Pro in terms of all
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: of the features that it has. But even on the
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: pre production model without the locker working, I did the
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: all of the same obstacles as the Tierty Pro with
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the locker, and I didn't have any issues with wheelspin
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: or you know. And did it have multi trains select
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: as well? I believe it did. Yep.
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So then going into the rock mode would really
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: it would make the traction control pretty aggressive, which is good,
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: and so you can see why Toyota sells a quarter
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: million Tacoma's a year or more. I mean, it's just
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: they are so capable, and they're so easy to modify,
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: huge aftermarket support, and they don't need a lot of modification. Like,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: right out of the box, you can drive it around
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: the world and just about an any trail you can
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: think of. So they're pretty impressive right out of the box.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I was going to say based on that driving experience,
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: I mean it doesn't need anything. Yeah, you know, for again,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: like ninety five percent of the people that are going
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: to buy that, it's going to do everything you want,
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: you know, maybe adding some protection. It's a little bit
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: of additional protection if you're going to take it on
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: some more technical train. Not a bad idea, but yeah, right,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: It's kind of reminds me of like a rubicon, right,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: it will do so much straight out of the factory.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: You don't need to do anything.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so Yeah, unless you're doing recreational rock crawling.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're out traveling, it's going to be
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: pretty hard to find something that's going to.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Stop that truck for sure. Yeah.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: Oh that's a cool one. So let's talk real quick
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: about the Grand Wagon here. It's it's interesting for me
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: because Jeep is very much targeting the expedition They're targeting
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: the excursion customer, They're targeting the suburban, the yukon the
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: large suv market exactly with a third row, and it
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: is it's a big vehicle, and it also it's a
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: very capable truck overall. It's got all of that Jeep
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: traction control hardware, all of that thoughtfulness that Jeep puts
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: into capability, and it has an error suspension as well.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Extremely luxurious on the inside. It's also clear that they're
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: targeting range rover customers as well, because this can be
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars vehicle if you option it that way. Overall,
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: it is a very comfortable vehicle. If you wanted to
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: have like the luxury of a range rover, but not
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: have maybe the impression that a range rover would give
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: to people in your circle, then something like a Grand
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: Wagoneer is actually a great choice because it gives you
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: all of that capability of a range rover, all of
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: the luxury of a range Rover, but then you don't
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: have a range Rover badge when you pull in your
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: parking lot at work.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: A little more understated maybe on the outside totally.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So overall I was really impressed with a vehicle
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: for what it is. It's important to note that it's
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: not it's big, so and it's going to be difficult
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: to modify with it being independent front rear suspension, so
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: it's not going to get a lot of attention from
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the overland market. But I think for someone that's looking
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: for a large vehicle to tow their boat and haul
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: along a bunch of people, it's actually a really interesting
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: vehicle to consider. The only thing I thought that they
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: could have done a little different was the wheelwell is
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: really small, and the wheelwell is also really low down
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: on the belt line, so it actually doesn't make the
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: vehicle look quite as athletic and adventurous as it could.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: If they just moved that wheel well line up higher,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: they could fit a larger tire from the factory, and
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: I think it would really it would offset some of
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: that really tall belt line, particularly above the above the tires,
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: so it would be nice to see that come in
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: like a trail addition or a you know, they've got
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: all their different monikers that they use for trail performance.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: But to see some kind of of a trail hawk
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: rand wagon ear where they had a little bit larger
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: wheel well and larger tire, I think that would look
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: really handsome on that vehicle and it would also really
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: improve the capability too.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: So nice now is that like a remake of that
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: vehicle has been around, right? Correct?
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: They used to make a Wagoneer and a Grand Wagoneer
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and they are extremely popular even to this day. I mean,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this is like the classic late seventies eighties.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: You did like wood paneling, any of them did.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: The Grand Wagoneer in particular did have wood paneling, which
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: is really fun. And those are super popular. They've been
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: they've been buying those up and restoring those with a
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: lot of popularity. So it's fun to see Jeep bring
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: back the Grand Wagoneer.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: Seems like a trend in general, right, We've seen a
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: lot of remakes of older vehicles and a lot of
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: them too much anticipation.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean the Bronco is a great example
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: of that. We did a whole podcast on the Bronco
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: not that long ago, so you guys can check that out.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: But yeah, the Bronco a great example of properly executed
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: retro styling. It just from the front, it looks just awesome,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: so really fun. One, let's talk a little bit about
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: your ram. So as we're wrapping things up here, So
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: what model did you buy and what was kind of
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: your first attack on modifications and things.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: So, like we talked about at the beginning of the podcast,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: you know, we got the full sized truck for towing,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: and so when it came down to towing and capability,
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: we didn't want to be left wanting for any more power,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: for any more capability, so we went with the got
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: the Tradesman trim, which is the basic trim, which is
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: pretty simple. But actually I've been really trades I've been
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: really impressed with it is it is surprisingly comfortable and
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: its you know, modesty. The seats are comfortable, It's got
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: everything you need. We got a few little upgrades here
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: and there, you know, biggerfotainment screen things like that, but
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: we so as far as the engine, that's where we
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: really invested our money. We got the come ins, So
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: the six point seven liter turbo diesel and it can
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: pull twenty thousand pounds and the truck has a payload
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: of somewhere in the neighborhood of I think twenty three
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: hundred pounds maybe. Actually had one of our readers correct
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: me on that because I published an article recently, and
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I actually love that. I love being corrected. Yeah, you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: it's like important, it's really important. I want to be
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: kept honest with this stuff, and I do my best
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: to get accurate information. But yeah, I've got some really
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: good feedback on that. But so I did. I published
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: the first article on the truck on Expedition Portal, sort
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: of talking about our reasoning behind it. Like I said,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: I wanted towing ability, and when we're pulling the eight
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: thousand pound airstream, it's it's almost like it's not there.
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can literally go ninety on the highway
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: no problem, which is incredible, like really fast airstream. Yeah, exactly.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: We're often passing people going uphill pulling the airstream, which
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: we don't drive it recklessly, but the fact is it
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: has no issues pulling, and.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: You figure every sprinter that you pass is the better,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: the better campsite for you.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: So if we can beat them there, Yeah, exactly, exactly, Yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: but you know, in addition, I think some of the
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: other benefits of the diesel engine are you. It used
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: to be an option, but now the exhaust break comes
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: standard with diesel engine, which is just it is having
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: driven an old RV previously that was all drum brakes
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: and having the brakes over heat multiple times on descents scary.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: It's terrifying. Yeah, that's like your heart almost just falls
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: out of your body when when that happens. And so
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: with the RAM, with towing and the exhaust break, it's
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: like you don't even have to touch the brakes. You
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: can put it in toehall mode, turn the exhaust brake
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: on and it will go down some of the steepest
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: grades without any break input necessary, which is oppressive. It's great.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: So what was the first couple modifications that you did.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: I think you just put some bumpers on. Yeah, we
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: did some bumpers from Expedition One. They're based in Ogden, Utah.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: They're an awesome company. They source all of their Yeah,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: it's so the bumpers, the range Max Ultra HD I
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: found it to be one of the best executive full
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: sized truck bumpers. It's it doesn't look overly chunky and huge,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: yet it has space for a winch. We optioned ours
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: with a full bullbar, so we have some more protection
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: against animal strikes because you know, if we're pulling the
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: air stream going even just seventy and the deer jumps out,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: I'm not slamming on the brakes. You know, that's more
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: dangerous than just keep going. Yeah, So we've got the
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: full bullbar, we've got a space for a winch, We've
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: got plenty of pods for lighting.
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: We've got additional clearance. It got rid of it's like
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: an air faring and air dam. Yeah. With getting to
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: that and putting the new bump round, we have extra
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: clearance in the front. And then the rear bumper is
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: also pretty functional. It's got dual swingouts on the rear
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: bumpers so we can mount some accessories. So we're going
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: to be putting a topper on the truck at two
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: point from RLD and we're going to be able to
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: mount a ladder on the swing out to easily get
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: up on the roof of that too. Our flax which
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: will be good. Yeah, and you can also pull the
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: spear and put it on the back swing out as well.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Although I tried that and I'm going to need to
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: get a tongue extension for the airstream. Sure if we're
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: going to do that, because it actually it protrudes back
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: a little too far and it kind of cuts our
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: turning radius down significantly because of the post. Cord has
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: had the same thing when he had the excursion. Yeah. Yeah,
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: we kind of talked about that actually just the other day,
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: and his takeaway was I'm just going to leave the
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: spar underneath if I can, so. Yeah. I mean, and
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: you know, in addition to being very functional, I think
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the bumpers look good. They look great. They're just good
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: looking bumpers. Yeah, they've got a nice black powder coating finish. Yeah,
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: it's kind of step one in our modifications to the truck.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: So well, congratulations on the new V vehicle and the airstream.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, what a cool way to work and see
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: the country from the road and all of that. And
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  Speaker 1: we're excited to see what you do next with it.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make sure we do a podcast as you finish
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  Speaker 1: up the project as well, so those that are listening
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  Speaker 1: make sure you check out Expedition Portal dot com to
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  Speaker 1: see Matt's a series of articles on his new truck,
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  Speaker 1: and then you can continue to follow my build of
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the Sierra fifteen hundred diesel as well with the Scout
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  Speaker 1: camper on the back. Matt, how do people follow you
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  Speaker 1: on social media so they can keep up with what
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  Speaker 1: you're working on?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? So, I mean, obviously I publish as much as
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  Speaker 2: I can on Expedition Portal, that's kind of the first
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  Speaker 2: place to find me. But if you want to find
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  Speaker 2: me on Instagram, you can find me at M dot
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  Speaker 2: B dot Swartz my last name Swartz, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: I share a little bit more of my personal adventures
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  Speaker 2: and your dog and all the important stuff. Lots of
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  Speaker 2: dog focus on there. Yeah, lots of paragliding stuff on
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  Speaker 2: there so well.
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  Speaker 1: And if anybody wants to give Matt feedback or have
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  Speaker 1: some ideas for his new build, that's a great way
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  Speaker 1: to get a hold of him. You can reach me
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  Speaker 1: at Scott A. Dot Brady on Instagram as well, and
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  Speaker 1: we will talk to you all next time.