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I Smell Pop Culture: Melissa Rivers · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I Am all in Again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, let's guess you.
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  Speaker 3: I Am all in Again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, take a big whiff of that. That
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  Speaker 1: is pop culture. Baby. Hi, my name is Easton Allen.
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  Speaker 1: You just heard Scott Patterson say that name a few
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  Speaker 1: seconds ago. This is the I Smell pop Culture podcast
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  Speaker 1: on I Am All In Again and iHeart Radio Production
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  Speaker 1: one eleven Productions all that other stuff. Hey, everybody, how
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  Speaker 1: you doing. We're having a lot of fun here and
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  Speaker 1: if you're just joining us, this is what we do.
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  Speaker 1: We take the pop culture references that are just peppered
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  Speaker 1: and scattered throughout Gilmore Girls, and we dissect them. We
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  Speaker 1: distill them, and we talk to the people that made
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  Speaker 1: them things. We talk to the people that made them
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  Speaker 1: pop culture moments. We're talking to a big one today
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  Speaker 1: that I will reveal to you in just a second.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you what the pop culture reference
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  Speaker 1: is if you want to fire it up on Netflix, Hulu,
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  Speaker 1: start TV, wherever you watch gil More Girls. We're going
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  Speaker 1: back to season two, episode one. This is Sadie. Sadie. Now,
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  Speaker 1: just to set the stage, Lorelei is considering getting engaged
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  Speaker 1: to Max. At this point he hasn't officially asked her,
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  Speaker 1: but she's discussing it. And in this part of the
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  Speaker 1: episode where our pop culture reference of doujour occurs, Dean
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  Speaker 1: is coming over to Rory and Laurele's house and Laura's
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  Speaker 1: on the phone with Max. They're talking about potentially getting engaged.
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  Speaker 1: She hangs up the phone and Dean asks Loura, so,
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  Speaker 1: what's the movie for tonight? And Loralai says, oh, my god,
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  Speaker 1: a classic, and Rory says, the Joan and Melissa Rivers
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  Speaker 1: story starring and LORELEI finished those air sentence Joan and
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers a mother and daughter torn apart by tragedy.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Lauray kind of trade off here with suicide
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  Speaker 1: not getting it's night show, me and boyfriends identical noses.
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  Speaker 1: Rory says, you'll laugh, you'll cry, and the Laura I says,
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  Speaker 1: because it'll be laughing so hard it'll be an evening
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  Speaker 1: to remember. Then Loralai finishes and says, in a pivotal
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  Speaker 1: scene where a very distraught Joan gets locked out of
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  Speaker 1: high holiday services because she's late, I will be forced
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  Speaker 1: to rewind it and play it over and over about
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  Speaker 1: four thousand times, and then Rory says he'll never be
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  Speaker 1: the same before walking off a very excited moment. They're
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  Speaker 1: clearly huge fans of this Jonah Melissa Rivers movie. And
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  Speaker 1: in case you want to watch along with our friends
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Laurli and Dean, the movie is actually titled
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  Speaker 1: Tears in Laughter the Jonah Melissa river Story. It came
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  Speaker 1: out in nineteen ninety four. I watched it on YouTube.
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  Speaker 1: You can do the same. Here's the thing about this movie.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Lorali act like it's they're like making fun
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  Speaker 1: of it. It's clearly a like kind of kitchy like
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  Speaker 1: fun to make fun of thing like you watch it ironically.
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  Speaker 1: I fired this bad boy up and I was ready.
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  Speaker 1: I was ready to just laugh it up, to have
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  Speaker 1: some yucks over here. And what I found instead was
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  Speaker 1: a sincerely touching, emotional story about a mother and a
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  Speaker 1: daughter reeling from the sudden and unexpected suicide of their father,
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  Speaker 1: A very tragic story, and it was not. I did
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  Speaker 1: not find this to be something to make fun of.
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  Speaker 1: I truly did not, and I will. I am a
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  Speaker 1: KITCHMEI sir, I have done some truly maddening things just
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  Speaker 1: to laugh at it, and this one I did not
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  Speaker 1: find worthy of that laughter. I really it's really a
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  Speaker 1: touching story, and I think it's a really important exploration
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  Speaker 1: of grief and how it affects family, how it affects
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  Speaker 1: mothers and daughters. And I do want to take this
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to say that if you or anyone you know
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  Speaker 1: is struggling with suicide or self harm, the number you
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  Speaker 1: can call is nine to eighty eight. That is a
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  Speaker 1: suicide crisis lifeline. And when you watch this movie on YouTube,
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  Speaker 1: that number is displayed at the bottom of the frame,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that is very cool. But on a
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  Speaker 1: lighter note, Joan Rivers is one of the funniest people
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  Speaker 1: that has ever lived. Like truly, I don't know how
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  Speaker 1: much you know about Joan Rivers, dear listener, but for me,
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  Speaker 1: I think just a passing understanding is like, oh, she
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  Speaker 1: was a comedian in the you know, seventies in the eighties,
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  Speaker 1: and she had a lot of plastic surgery and she's
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  Speaker 1: the butt of the joke a lot of the time.
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  Speaker 1: Joan Rivers is sincerely one of the fun not just
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  Speaker 1: one of the funniest women. She gets scriped into that
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  Speaker 1: a lot, and it's very upsetting. One of the funniest
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  Speaker 1: people humans that has ever walked to the planet. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if you know this about her. She had
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  Speaker 1: this like catalog in her office. She kind of logged
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  Speaker 1: every joke she ever wrote, and she had like seventy
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  Speaker 1: thousand jokes. She's so funny. This movie is so is
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  Speaker 1: very sad and it's very emotional, but it's also extremely funny.
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  Speaker 1: There are so many jokes packed into this movie, and
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  Speaker 1: I loved it. I had a great time watching this movie.
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  Speaker 1: I did not, like feel the need to kick back
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  Speaker 1: in like rewind it. Specifically the part that Laura I
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  Speaker 1: is talking about rewinding and laughing at, in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: not a funny part of the movie. It's not even
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  Speaker 1: like to make fun of. It's a it's just a
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  Speaker 1: sad moment. I kind of I don't get Loralai here, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why do you want to make fun of again? I
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  Speaker 1: will make fun of anything. I love making fun of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I did not feel that that scene was worthy of it.
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  Speaker 1: So I hope that you indulge and watch it yourself
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  Speaker 1: and make up your mind. But you know what we're
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  Speaker 1: talking to Melissa Rivers today we're talking to Jones's daughter.
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  Speaker 1: We tragically lost a Joan Rivers in twenty fourteen, but
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  Speaker 1: her daughter, Melissa is going to join us today and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to talk all about this movie. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the legacy for her mom. We're going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about working with her mom. I mean, they're
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  Speaker 1: like kind of a Rory Loralai combo themselves, Joan and
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers. So we're gonna get Melissa on right now.
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  Speaker 1: She's in the waiting room. She's banging on the door.
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  Speaker 1: Melissa Rivers, the legend. Lisa Rivers, thank you so much
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  Speaker 1: for hanging out with us today. I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: And please don't use the word legend. If you're a legend,
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  Speaker 4: it means you're done.
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  Speaker 1: No, No, legends can be continuous and ongoing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to tell my son that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, excellent. So the first thing I want to
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  Speaker 1: talk about with you today is that this is a
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  Speaker 1: Gilmore Girls podcast and there is a reference to you
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  Speaker 1: and your mom in the show, specifically the movie Tears
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  Speaker 1: and Laughter. The Jonah Melissa Rivers story.
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  Speaker 2: A bleak moment for me that I was arm twisted into.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm so curious about I watched the movie today
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  Speaker 1: and I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it so much. I
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  Speaker 1: like I had heard about it and I was I'm like, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: This is gonna be kitchy whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. I was like, you know, I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure it's fine, but I'll laugh at
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  Speaker 1: this or whatever. No, I was so locked in. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not just saying this. I think it's a sincerely a
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  Speaker 1: very powerful movie. It's so funny, it's so legitimately funny,
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  Speaker 1: and it deals with grief in such an important way.
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  Speaker 1: I do not think it deserves any of the criticism
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  Speaker 1: it gets.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I appreciate that makes me feel a little less dick
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  Speaker 4: about it about doing something that.
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  Speaker 2: I was talked into.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I'm curious. How did that come about?
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  Speaker 1: You filmed it in Vancouver, right, Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I forget.
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  Speaker 4: Someone came to us one of the networks and they
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  Speaker 4: wanted to do it, and I thought it was just
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  Speaker 4: our story, and then somehow it became about us doing it,
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  Speaker 4: and as us I never realized, like that was not
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  Speaker 4: as far as I remember, what was pitched to me
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  Speaker 4: and suddenly that's what it turned into.
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  Speaker 2: And there you have it.
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  Speaker 4: You know, people always think there's these great backstories. Generally
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  Speaker 4: there are not great backstories to anything, you know, but
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  Speaker 4: it's true.
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  Speaker 2: Think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it. I get it. So originally it
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  Speaker 1: was going to be someone else playing you and your mom.
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  Speaker 1: Is that right?
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  Speaker 2: Yes? Wow, that was the original and I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it was very forward thinking because it
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  Speaker 4: hadn't been done, so in that sense it's kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: But nonetheless, you know, I that's not how it.
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  Speaker 1: Started, gotcha. I mean, and you had I mean you
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  Speaker 1: start acting when you were like ten years old, right,
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  Speaker 1: so this was but playing yourself. That's such a such
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  Speaker 1: a different type of thing. How did that feel? The first?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember much from like making those persons?
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  Speaker 2: Really don't remember? Yeah, a lot of specifics.
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  Speaker 4: I do remember that the house we shot in was
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  Speaker 4: a house that a lot of places, a lot of
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  Speaker 4: shows used, and it was supposedly haunted.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I can remember that. I do remember that very clearly.
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  Speaker 1: I love that a ghost story always makes.
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  Speaker 4: Things, so I remember that, and you know, I just
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  Speaker 4: remember being in Vancouver and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't really remember a lot of the day today.
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  Speaker 4: I do remember it was always very exciting when the
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  Speaker 4: coffee truck came around, the good coffee truck, all right.
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  Speaker 4: And I do remember that that one house was supposedly
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  Speaker 4: haunted and it had an indoor pool.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that's exciting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great house.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of dialogue in this movie that is
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  Speaker 1: like really fast and quippy and just like like especially
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  Speaker 1: between you and your mom, just like trading jokes back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. She strikes me as someone that would try
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  Speaker 1: to cram as many jokes as she could into a scene.
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  Speaker 1: Is that is that accurate?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously funny was always first on the list. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: but you know, if something went more improvisationally during the scene, great,
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  Speaker 4: But if not, you know, you do you have to
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  Speaker 4: do it as they want it and then you can
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  Speaker 4: play after. Yeah, make sure it's in the camp and
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  Speaker 4: then you can go and have a good time.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, the I mean the movie is for those
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  Speaker 1: of you who haven't seen Tears in Laughter, the general
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  Speaker 1: Melissa River story. It's about the loss of your father
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  Speaker 1: to suicide and so tragic and the struggle you and
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  Speaker 1: your mom go through after that moment. How did it
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  Speaker 1: feel to relive that period of your life making this movie?
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  Speaker 3: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: That must have been so challenging, you know.
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  Speaker 4: Again, yeah, I haven't thought about it. I mean, my
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  Speaker 4: dad died in eighty seven, so it's really something like
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  Speaker 4: I haven't even thought about the.
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  Speaker 2: Movie in twenty five years unless it comes up in
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  Speaker 2: some sort of a way.
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  Speaker 4: So it's hard to sort of think about what was
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  Speaker 4: it like, Yeah, I mean, like I said, the memories
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  Speaker 4: I have of it or have nothing to do with
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  Speaker 4: the actual movie. I remember Dan Cortes, the old MTV
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  Speaker 4: sports guy, was there making a TV show with George C. Scott,
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  Speaker 4: so that I knew Dan back from my MTV days,
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  Speaker 4: and you would see George c. Scott in the hotel
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  Speaker 4: bar and that was uber cool, awesome. But that's like
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  Speaker 4: literally the memories I have of it. You know again,
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  Speaker 4: I try and live very much in the present. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I don't remember the past, but like
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  Speaker 4: specifically this movie, it's like, oh my god, it was
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  Speaker 4: literally you know how over half it was?
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  Speaker 2: It was over half a lifetime ago. Yeah, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it was and it was not.
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  Speaker 4: An easy time in my life. Yeah, so I guess.
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  Speaker 4: I guess in some ways it was cathartic, but I
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  Speaker 4: never really gave it that much thought.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you, there's and I promise this would
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  Speaker 1: be the last thing we talked about the movie. But
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  Speaker 1: it ends the way it ends. I started bawling. I started, like, legitimately,
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  Speaker 1: it was such an emotional moment. It's with your mother,
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  Speaker 1: black background, and she's looking to the camera and she
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  Speaker 1: says she's talking about the gift of having a daughter.
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  Speaker 1: And she says, sure, you bicker, and you complain, you criticize,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you even separate, but it doesn't matter because beneath
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  Speaker 1: it all, you're going to find out you've given birth
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  Speaker 1: to your own best friend. I'm trying to say out
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  Speaker 1: of that crying, it's such a powerful moment for me,
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  Speaker 1: and that the relationship between mother and daughter is also
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  Speaker 1: a key part of Gilmore Girls.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and it's a complicated relationship either, very much.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, even the best ones are complicated.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. I wanted to ask, like, what what is
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  Speaker 1: special to you about that specific relationship between you and
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  Speaker 1: your mother and mothers and daughters, mothers and daughters.
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  Speaker 4: It's first of all, anyone who says that they get
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  Speaker 4: along all the time is lying, you don't. You simply
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  Speaker 4: do not. It's always complicated. And that's what I always
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  Speaker 4: say to people, even the best ones of My mom
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  Speaker 4: and I had a really good relationship, it was complicated,
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  Speaker 4: and especially because we worked together also, so it would
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  Speaker 4: get very complicated and we were very different people, but
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  Speaker 4: there was you know, he's the only person in the
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  Speaker 4: world you could truly count off is your mom.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Matter if you're a daughter or not. Your mom is
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  Speaker 4: the one in general. I know I'm making sleeping generalizations.
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  Speaker 4: Your mom is the one that you can always count on,
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  Speaker 4: you know, And I think that that has is but you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, even with boys.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm the mother of a son, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: know when the ships sitting in the fan, I'm the
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  Speaker 4: one that gets the phone call.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. Yeah, that's that's how it is for me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it just it is what it is. And I
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  Speaker 2: think that you know, it's it's.
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  Speaker 4: It's a relationship that needs to constantly evolve. Yes, and
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  Speaker 4: that's very hard too, you know, and especially like when
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  Speaker 4: you have kids and it gets more and more and
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  Speaker 4: more complicated. But if you always know that the person
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  Speaker 4: is not trying to sabotage you, even when they feature
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  Speaker 4: child pizza and ice cream before dinner and then have
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  Speaker 4: the audacity to talk to you about that. I need
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  Speaker 4: to be one sorry, not talking about myself. Needs to
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  Speaker 4: be make them better about eating their vegetables. I must
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  Speaker 4: always remember that. Keep it. It's come from a place
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  Speaker 4: of love, not total sabotage. And it appears to be sabotage.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what advice do you have for new parents out
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  Speaker 1: there that are trying to like figure this out?
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh god, being a new parent.
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  Speaker 4: Enjoy it while they're just blobs and you can pick
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  Speaker 4: them up and they have no opinion. Like that part
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  Speaker 4: goes way too fast. As soon as they have an opinion.
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  Speaker 4: It's never never as much. Life was so much better
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  Speaker 4: when you could they're just blobs and you can pick
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  Speaker 4: them up and go.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have opinions, you can. It's all on your terms.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I love it so. Your mother Joan
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  Speaker 1: Rivers is one of Amy Sherman Palladino the creative Gilmork Girls.
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  Speaker 1: It's one of her favorite comedians. Marvelous Missus Masel is
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  Speaker 1: heavily inspired by your mom. How does it feel? To
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  Speaker 1: see her legacy influence comedy. I mean even today.
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  Speaker 4: I mean that to me honestly, I've never watched an
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  Speaker 4: episode of Missus Masel, which is it's disappointing for me
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  Speaker 4: because everyone says I would love it, and I doore
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  Speaker 4: a door A door, A door, Rachel, Yeah, a door.
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  Speaker 4: On a personal level or professional I love her, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's it's it's it's really cool. It's really cool that
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  Speaker 4: she's finally getting the props she deserves because she didn't
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  Speaker 4: get them during her lifetime. Yeah, And so there is
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  Speaker 4: something very bittersweet for me about that, because part of
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  Speaker 4: me wants to go, really, you couldn't have given her
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  Speaker 4: a little bit of a cookie while she was alive.
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  Speaker 2: But on the other hand, she'll never be forgotten.
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  Speaker 4: And this has this tremendous legacy, Yes, I and a
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  Speaker 4: good legacy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I remember the documentary A piece of work from
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  Speaker 1: twenty ten. I loved that documentary And there was so
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  Speaker 1: much I never knew about her that I learned from
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  Speaker 1: that how And I know that, like we just had
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  Speaker 1: this big celebration of her life recently, that you were
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  Speaker 1: a major part of what is something about your mother?
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  Speaker 1: Joan rivers that you hope people discover in these days
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  Speaker 1: in the future, that she was.
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  Speaker 4: Real, that it was a real person, that it was
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  Speaker 4: an insecure person, that she was the most generous, the warmest,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sensitive, cared, you know, and that's who she
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  Speaker 4: was as a person, even though on stage it was
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  Speaker 4: always cutting edge and pushing the boundaries and all that.
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  Speaker 4: But she always said, and always frustrated her that people
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  Speaker 4: never understood that you have to be so famous and
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  Speaker 4: so much a part of the public conversation that people
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  Speaker 4: can then take the leap and understand.
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  Speaker 2: A joke about you.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, And She's like, people would get like, how could
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  Speaker 4: you say that? She's like, do you not get how
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  Speaker 4: big you are? Everyone in the world understands not just
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  Speaker 4: the joke, but why it's funny?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, you know, like it is the ultimate compliment.
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  Speaker 1: It really is it really? I love that way of
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  Speaker 1: looking at it. It's it's incredible. Uh. Something else from
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  Speaker 1: that documentary that I learned that I was really curious
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  Speaker 1: about was the the joke catalog, Like, so seventy thousand jokes.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: In this something like that, Yeah.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Did you ever poke around in there? Was that like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: just around that, Like do you have any memories of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: the of the joke catalog.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: It was always in the office, yeah, you know, and
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: again it's not the kind of you know, every now
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: and again I'd be like, walk by, look at something. Again,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: it's it was literally part of the furniture of the office,
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: you know. So it again when you don't understand, like
• 18:47
  Speaker 4: I didn't understand the value of it until.
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I understood like it was a
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: really big deal.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: But one of the things they were trying to do
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: and do it do at the same time was trying
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: to digitize everything.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: Yoh, yeah, wasn't undertaking.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah so, but the card catalog, what it represents now
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: is so tremendous.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, absolutely. We're talking to Melissa Rivers here
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: on the Ice Smell Pop Culture Podcast. We're going to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: take just a quick break, everybody, We'll be right back.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: It's the Ice Smell Pop Culture Podcast. My names Easton Allen.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: We're hanging out with Melissa Rivers here talking about her mom,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: the legendary Joan Rivers. What a tremendous legacy. You worked
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: with your mom on so many projects, and I'm curious, like,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: what was it like once you started like working with
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: her as a collaborator, Like, how was like working Joan
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: different from like Joan as your mom.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Well, it was always two different people. But I was
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: always smart enough to know, like she really does know
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: what's funny. Yeah, so and if it doesn't work, she's
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: the first one to pull it out. But it's hard.
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: It was, you know, it's a hard relationship to figure
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: out because I was also the producer of these shows
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: of course, so it's you know, it was about managing talent,
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: it was about being a partner. We intrinsically had and
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: really found our own rhythm. So as a team, it
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: was amazing because once we found.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: It, it was unspoken.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: She'd be like I know. She'd be like, okay, I
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: need to I know, I get it. I'll say you
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: put you there, blah blah blah blah, And people be like,
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: there was not an actual verb in that sentence, in
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: that sentence, but yet we knew exactly where the other
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: one was going. And that's part of being a team.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: That's part of being a duo, is you have that connection.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: What's what's one of the fondest memories you have, Like
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: was there a particular project, Like was it Fashion Police
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: of working with your mom on something collaborative.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: I think it was when the Red Carpets finally hit
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: their stride. Yeah, because we knew what we were doing
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: and we knew.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: How to hit it out of the park.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we knew.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: And I think that was always the most fun, was
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: when we were really in the rhythm of doing that
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: and over a couple of years where it was at
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: its height, it was.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Boom boom, boom, boom boom.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: And I look back now and like, oh my god,
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: you know we, Shane, You know, we were part of
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: turning walking into a building into an event. Absolutely, we
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: created a business you know who knew?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, for real. So, speaking of I do have
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: some fashion questions for you. Is there a fashion trend
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: here in twenty twenty five that you like On Fashion
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: Police he would have just like completely roasted? Or is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: something that you want to take kind of take some
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: shots at?
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Oh god, what with fashion have I disliked this year?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Oh god, oh there's been been Oh's.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: So many exactly.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Victor, what have we hated this year?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: Fashion wise?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I've paid so little attention to fashion this year just
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: because of everything going on in the world that it's
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: you know, been the world. It's a big dumpster fire
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: that I cannot even begin to think about.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: What I know.
• 22:32
  Speaker 4: A trend that really irritated me was when the bows
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: came back and all these adult women are wearing those bows.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, it's like.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: It's one thing to see it on the runway and
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: it might be kind of cute, it might be kind
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: of pretty, you know, but we don't need to go
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: back to the nineties clipping giant bows that. But that's
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: been one that started before this year that was really
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: aggravating to me. It really started right around the Olympics
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: last year that I found just and it was aggravating.
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: Just absolutely infuriating. I completely get you. I sapped wearing
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: bows in my hair personally, thank goodness, yeah, thank you.
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: There was one there was one TV personality that really
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: bought into the trend and one of my two of
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: my girlfriends were.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, dear God, there's a bow again.
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: Like every time we saw her with a bow, he
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: would take a screamshot or stick a send the link
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: or like, oh God, the bow's back.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Because she abused the trend. Yes, he abused the trend.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: What do you think of this La Boo boo trend,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the little stuffed animals.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: They are so freaking creepy. Yeah, Like I saw one
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: and I had one. It was much cuter when you
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: got it dressed.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I'm just.
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: Like, really really, But when I first took it out
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: of the box, I'm like, this thing is creepy looking.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: But I had to admit after I put its little
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: clothes on it, it actually kind of became cute. Would
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: I collect them?
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: No? Would I hang it on my purse?
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: No?
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: You know, it's.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: It's just one of those things that ends up just
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: taking space on your in your closet.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get you a percent.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Like for little kids, I get it. It's all these
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: adults you know that I don't like. I get it,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: but I don't get it or don't get it.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Everyone I work with has them hanging off their their
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: bags when I'm walking to the office.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: It's like a huge and I have to tell you,
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I I once it. Once you put the clothes on it,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: it was much cuter. Yes, I had to admit that
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: it was really cute after that. Would I continue to
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: collect absolutely not?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: And then lavooboo fashion, that's a whole nother thing like
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: mine had.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Mine had a little airmez sweat and.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Being cute, Okay, very chic.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: That's when I thought it was cute.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I would expect nothing less from you.
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: Yes, of course, That's when I'm like, oh, it really
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: is kind of cute. But again, I bequeathed it to
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: someone's teenage daughter who was like beyond excited.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: The right thing to do. There's so many red carpets
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: with you and your mom, is there is there one
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: moment that really stands out to you, Like when you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: think back on that period of life that you think
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: fondly of, do you have like a favorite memory from that?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I know it's a big question, but I.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Have lots of little snippets.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, there was a great moment with my
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: mom and Robin Williams. There was a great moment I
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: remember with my mom and Jim Carrey that was so funny.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: There were you know, for me, it's it's all.
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: Little snippets, Yeah, little one liners and conversations. You know
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: where she the one with Jim Carrey. He was wearing
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: some sort of a flower pin or whatever, and she's like,
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: so she goes, I don't like the pen and so
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: he ripped.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: It off and threw it on the ground.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: You know, it's stuff like that that you just go
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: it was and it has gone, you know. I mean,
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: you know, and anytime you got my mom with any
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: of the comedians, it was hilarious, whether it was Whoopy
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: was any of them, you know, because they got to play.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And watching that level of comedians it's like ten.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean, it's like watching Michael Jordan, you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: it's it's it's so it's yeah.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: But those interviews with like my mom and Robin Williams
• 26:39
  Speaker 4: on the carpet, it's it's amazing my mom or one
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: of our very first red carpets, my mom and Dustin
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: Hoffman were hilarious.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: He tried to pick her up and carry her inside.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I mean it's those moments that you remember.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: Is there is there a joke that your mom would
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: tell that like that you remember? Do you have like
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a favorite joke of hers?
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Oh? God, no, so many of them run through my head.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: It depends on the day.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, a favorite joke, Oh, it was what about first
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: wives and second wives? That always do you get a
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: whole run on that that I always gound very funny.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: You know, if you die, have everything buried on you,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: every jewelry. If the next bitch wants it, let her dig.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: For it, you know what I mean. Like stuff like that.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I just thought was so on the money.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: I love it. There was a really quick moment in
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the movie Tears and Laughter where she's dropping you off
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: at college and the guy that's meeting you there is like, oh, hi,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan, and Joe goes, yeah, you and
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: three other people.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: I thought that was so so funny. Melissa Rivers, You're
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: just so great. Thank you so much for having I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: have one more question for you. It's just kind of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: a weird question. Okay, good, good.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We've warned, especially now that we got the bow out.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, now that the bows are gone? What does
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: pop culture smell like to you? If pop culture had
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: an odor, what would it be?
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: Oh god, that's a great question. What would pop culture
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: smell like?
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Well?
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: I don't want to be like, oh, popcorn, because that
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: would be stupid and obvious. I think I think each
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: pop culture, I think every decade would have a different smell.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's what I think.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: I think every decade would have a different smell.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, let's let's pick one. What about the nineties.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Oh, weren't we all into the Petchouli oil?
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, with grunge, Yeah, the nineties would smell like petchuli
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: for sure. Or oh god, what was that perfume? One
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: of that oh Calvin Klein obsession. Yeah, like you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: that's what it would smell. That's what that's what it
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: would smell like. The late eighties early nineties would smell
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: like Calvin Klink obsession. The later nineties, like with grunge
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: and all that would definitely smell like petuli.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: What a great answer. Now I want to I want
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: to whiff those things again. Exactly so much, Melissa, You're
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: so cool.
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: You made this so simple and easily, so much, so
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: much fun. I got to ask you, why do you
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: have a container of caramel corn that looks like it
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: could be really old over your shoulder?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: This is embarrassing. That's a that's actually a crown that's
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: in there. And it was Do you know arc Light Cinemas?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Do you remember them?
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Okay, this isn't for the podcast, but they
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: had a caramel corn at ArcLight Cinema's that was very
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: popular and they did a promotion in twenty nineteen called
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the Summer of Caramel Corn, and I thought it was
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: confusing and I didn't know what they were doing. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: I emailed them and said, are you going to do
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: like a caramel corn princess like they do at the
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Rose Bowl? And they're like, I don't know, I haven't
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: thought about it. And then I got all my friends
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to email them and demand that i'd be the Caramel
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Corn Princess. And they did it. They crowned. That's a crown.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: They gave me in a sash and I was the
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Caramel Corn Princess that year.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: I love that because I am now in the presence
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: of true pop culture royalty.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: That's right. Well, thank you so much for Willison Rivers.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: It has been so exciting.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Have a great day you too, hey, everybody, and don't
• 30:39
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• 30:43
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