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Movie Review Rewind, Ep. 53: Heat (1995) · Nashville Movie Dispatch

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  Speaker 1: Flipping back the calendar to highlight Yesteryear's finus while exploring
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  Speaker 1: the vast archives in cinema history. This is the Movie
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  Speaker 1: Review Rewind Podcast on Nashville Movie Dispatch. Welcome back for
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  Speaker 1: another episode of the Movie Review Rewind podcast right here
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  Speaker 1: the resident film critic of Nashville Movie Dispatch Board, member
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  Speaker 1: of the Music City Film Critics Association, member of the
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  Speaker 1: Southeastern Film Critics Association, mister Brandon Vick. How you doing today, Brandon?
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  Speaker 2: Not too bad tgif.
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  Speaker 1: TGIF, well, yeah, that's movie. It is Friday. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: is Friday, which I do. I do want to say quickly,
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  Speaker 1: if you are listening to this episode on Friday, July eighteenth,
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  Speaker 1: But just know, if you were a paid subscriber of
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  Speaker 1: Nashville Movie Dispatch, you could have heard this show.
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  Speaker 2: Months three months ago, months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Three months ago. Wait, no, that's not right. Four months ago.
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  Speaker 1: Forgot how to math. So we're here to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Heat from nineteen ninety five, if I'm not mistaken. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we just went to the Bell Court. Yeah, for a
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  Speaker 1: special screening of its action Distraction. They're running all July
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  Speaker 1: action movies of the past. Brandon is here to talk
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  Speaker 1: about it with me, and we had to bring our
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  Speaker 1: buddy Brett back as well. The three of us had
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  Speaker 1: a nice little, nice little afternoon watching Heat at the
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  Speaker 1: Bell Court and then taking in a few dogs at
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  Speaker 1: Double Dogs. That's not true. I don't think any of
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  Speaker 1: us got hot dogs. I would have if I didn't
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  Speaker 1: get one at the bell Court. Anyway, Brett, how are
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  Speaker 1: you doing today?
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  Speaker 3: I'm good? Can you guys hear me?
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  Speaker 2: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm wearing my mask from the bank robbery
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  Speaker 3: scenes from the movie. So what When I walked in
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  Speaker 3: and I saw that Stony was John Boyd's character, right,
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  Speaker 3: and that Brandon was dressed like Wane grow I knew
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  Speaker 3: I had to do something.
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  Speaker 1: We all dressed up for the movie. I forgot.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thankfully, I had my mask in my car.
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  Speaker 2: Thank god.
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  Speaker 4: And it's not just any ordinary sche mess don't but
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  Speaker 4: if you haven't seen the movie, don't think it's some
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  Speaker 4: Jason Vorhees.
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  Speaker 2: Bull bull crap.
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  Speaker 4: So we gotta say Brett's the one who told us
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  Speaker 4: about this.
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  Speaker 2: He got tickets for us.
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  Speaker 1: So this is one that we had talked about doing.
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  Speaker 1: Brandon and I had talked about doing for quite some
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  Speaker 1: time as one as a movie that had kind of
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  Speaker 1: slipped through the cracks throughout the years, and we didn't
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  Speaker 1: put it on our schedule like normally we're recording these
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  Speaker 1: shows like months in advance and saving him so that
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  Speaker 1: we can keep a routine schedule going. And we left
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  Speaker 1: August open up until the last second because we kept
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  Speaker 1: hoping since it was the thirtieth anniversary of this film's release,
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  Speaker 1: that maybe the Bell Court would have a screening and
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  Speaker 1: we'd get to go see this in theaters, because if
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  Speaker 1: you're not familiar with it, this is a movie that
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  Speaker 1: should absolutely be seen in theaters. Just when we made
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  Speaker 1: the call to pivot and say, you know what if
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  Speaker 1: we if we're not careful, we're gonna get caught with
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  Speaker 1: our pants down for an August episode, So why don't
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  Speaker 1: we talk about Ferris Bueller's day off for August? Then
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  Speaker 1: Brett hits us up and says, you know what, the
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  Speaker 1: Bell Court's going to be showing heat and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get y'all's tickets.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think we, Brett, we've been talking about.
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  Speaker 2: We were hoping.
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  Speaker 4: I think we've been talking about almost since the beginning
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  Speaker 4: of the year because and maybe late last year because
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  Speaker 4: this year marks its thirtieth anniversary, and we're like, well,
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  Speaker 4: this might be the best time to do it. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: they'll do something about thirty years and actually and they
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  Speaker 4: might still later, but it's a part of this action
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  Speaker 4: thing that they're doing that has well, you you're a
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  Speaker 4: member of the Bell Court and so you you're seeing
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  Speaker 4: like five different ones, right and you've already seen what
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  Speaker 4: Goldfinger was one of them.
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  Speaker 3: Goldfinger with casual sexual Harassmer James Bond. That's a different conversation.
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  Speaker 2: That's what I like.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, planning to see Terminator too.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'll be a good one to see in this.
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  Speaker 3: Speed, which I've never seen. I have seen T two,
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  Speaker 3: never seen speed, and then I'm debating on the last one.
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  Speaker 3: There's there's several good options. Collateral Training Day, mad Max,
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  Speaker 3: Fury Road. I think I'm gonna go see r R R,
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  Speaker 3: which you need to see. Tony is high on and
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  Speaker 3: you guys.
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  Speaker 4: Have I mean, listen, the fact that you've never seen
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  Speaker 4: speed is a must. But how you could not see
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  Speaker 4: our not seeing r R in.
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  Speaker 2: What? Who are are r R R hard to see?
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  Speaker 2: If you I don't know what I don't.
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  Speaker 4: See replacing that with Collateral Training Day ones and I.
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  Speaker 3: Have seen that.
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  Speaker 4: You've seen those in theaters.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen Collateral in the theater. I've never seen.
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  Speaker 4: But I didn't tell dies.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming both of you guys saw R R R
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  Speaker 3: through Netflix because that's how it was initially released.
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  Speaker 2: No, I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I saw the theater.
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  Speaker 1: They did a press screening, didn't they know it was?
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  Speaker 4: They re released it at some point in the year,
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  Speaker 4: and I can't remember if it was Regal or honestly,
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  Speaker 4: if I did see it, I saw it in its
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  Speaker 4: like origin like language, and I think it was at
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  Speaker 4: the Billcourt. I'm almost positive they redid something and re
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  Speaker 4: released it in later on in whatever year it was,
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  Speaker 4: I guess been at least two or three know I did.
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  Speaker 4: I did not watch it on Netflix. Actually did watch
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  Speaker 4: it in theater, and I'm almost one hundred percent positive
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  Speaker 4: it was either that or one hundred Oaks.
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  Speaker 2: It was one of the theaters and there in the
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  Speaker 2: mall there.
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  Speaker 4: Were a lot of light near the Vanderbilt section of it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay twenty seven, which I think was the first stadium
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  Speaker 4: seating movie theater in Nashville.
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  Speaker 3: I really love that theater.
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  Speaker 1: I miss Hollywood twenty seven.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you go there more?
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  Speaker 3: You? And Uh, there's a few people I know that
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  Speaker 3: go to that one if I don't want to go
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  Speaker 3: to Operates the closest to my house, but it's not
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  Speaker 3: recliner seating, and the prices are higher if you're taking
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  Speaker 3: someone else that doesn't have a regal membership or something
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  Speaker 3: like if my wife's.
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  Speaker 4: Goes more of a tourist trap too.
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  Speaker 3: So well, and that annoys me because it feels like
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  Speaker 3: they only jack the prices up because it's in the mall. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and so I will often go to Hendersonville or one
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  Speaker 3: hundred Oaks and they're about the same distance. But I
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  Speaker 3: actually think one hundred Oaks is the nicer theater.
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  Speaker 4: I love one hundred Oaks. Outside Lights is like old school.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like you're going to a theater too,
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  Speaker 3: like we would big long hauls stand up.
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  Speaker 4: They've updated it a lot in the past few years
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  Speaker 4: because I've gone to like screenings and stuff there.
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  Speaker 3: They still have one side that is older stadium seating,
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  Speaker 3: so the left well and you can tell if it's
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  Speaker 3: screen I think one through nine, maybe one through ten,
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  Speaker 3: it's the older seating, So I always from the other ones.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff, Yeah, Stony only goes to shitty Providence and the.
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  Speaker 1: Bedbug Theater as well, we calls it.
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  Speaker 3: We both experienced that this week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went to see uh Superman, and I think
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  Speaker 1: there were like three lines on the screen the whole time.
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  Speaker 1: The footage looked grainy, almost like somebody put like a
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, like you know how like car headlights.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes they get foggy, Yeah, and then it affects their.
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  Speaker 2: Glean that's a perfect movie to see like that.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta rub the toothpaste on them to clean them up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what the It was like. Somebody had one of
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  Speaker 1: those headlights over over the screen.
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  Speaker 2: It sounds like Mark from American Movie filmed it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I think that is how James Gun intended it is.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what he said.
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  Speaker 4: I listened to Armchair Expert, and I think he said,
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  Speaker 4: you know, car headlights.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of times that I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I bet this scene looks really cool.
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  Speaker 2: I bet down the hall it looks real good.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, yes, right down the road.
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  Speaker 3: Let's not bury the lead here. He was the main
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  Speaker 3: event on the action distraction thing. And I this, this
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  Speaker 3: sounds silly, but it's true. I saw this movie for
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  Speaker 3: the first time last year. I instantly loved it right
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  Speaker 3: at home. I thought, yeah, I watched it home, and
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  Speaker 3: I thought, I cannot believe one how good this is
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  Speaker 3: that I've never seen it that I honestly, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it was ninety five, so I was nine, ten years old.
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  Speaker 3: I don't even remember hearing much about it when it
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  Speaker 3: first came out, and like as a theatric release or anything.
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  Speaker 2: Would you heard anything, Well.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe not, Yeah, maybe not. But I mean, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like there are other movies that came out around that time.
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  Speaker 2: That I am surprised.
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  Speaker 1: It felt like one of those films that like by
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  Speaker 1: the time we get to high school. Looking back, it
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  Speaker 1: felt like it would have had some sort of word
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  Speaker 1: of mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Right by high school.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, so I but when I saw the it
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  Speaker 3: was listed. We've talked about it enough, like this hypothetical
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  Speaker 3: idea of going to see it this is silly, But
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  Speaker 3: I genuinely had a moment of like and I was
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  Speaker 3: let me just say this, I told you guys this,
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  Speaker 3: I was on my way to vacation, and it was
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  Speaker 3: the most exciting thing that happened to me in that day.
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  Speaker 4: I think you said it was ruining everyone else's.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think I was getting on my wife's nerves
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  Speaker 3: because I was talking about, like when I was going
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  Speaker 3: to go see these other movies that because I was
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  Speaker 3: so excited about the action distraction thing in general. But
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  Speaker 3: I genuinely had a moment with heat, like I can't
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  Speaker 3: believe it's actually happening. We actually get to do it.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: So for those that might need a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: Refresher Heat is a nineteen ninety five American crime drama film.
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  Speaker 1: This is just the Wikipedia synopsis. Written and directed by
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  Speaker 1: Michael Mann. It features an ensemble cast led by Al
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  Speaker 1: Pacino and Robert de Niro, with Tom size Moore, John Voyd,
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  Speaker 1: and Val Kilmer in supporting roles. The film follows a
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  Speaker 1: conflict between an LAPD detective played by Paccino and a
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  Speaker 1: career thief played by De Niro, while also depicting its
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  Speaker 1: effect on their professional relationships and personal lives. This boys
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  Speaker 1: the rare instance where I don't have a show agenda,
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  Speaker 1: I don't have notes prepared, because we literally just saw
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  Speaker 1: this movie and then, after a brief refueling at Double Dogs,
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  Speaker 1: came directly here to sit in front of the mics
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  Speaker 1: and talk about it. I don't know where you guys
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  Speaker 1: want to start, but I would start with the idea
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned a second ago. This is one that if
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  Speaker 1: you ever get the chance to see in a theater,
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  Speaker 1: if you've got a theater near you, like we have
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  Speaker 1: the Bell Court that shows the classics like this, you
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  Speaker 1: get the opportunity to go see it, go take it
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  Speaker 1: because just the sound alone, the theatrical experience my ears
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  Speaker 1: are still ringing. I've asked you, guys several times, what
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  Speaker 1: can you say it loud right again?
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  Speaker 2: Can you talk through the blood that's running.
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  Speaker 1: Out of them?
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  Speaker 2: Because the sound in this movie is insane.
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  Speaker 4: It's incredible.
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  Speaker 2: But let me tell you this nothing.
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  Speaker 4: My first shock of the movie was that Machete was
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  Speaker 4: in it.
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  Speaker 2: Danny Treyho because I didn't see his name in the movie.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and they said him like, oh, did they
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  Speaker 4: just say, hey, Danny just we're just gonna go with this.
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  Speaker 1: His name in the credits is actually Gilbert trey Hoo. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: well Gilbert, maybe that's his real name. Wait a second,
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  Speaker 1: change it to Danny. After Kevin Gage is cast as
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  Speaker 1: Wayne grow I thought the whole time, like w A
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  Speaker 1: I N G R O one word. I thought his
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  Speaker 1: name was Wayne.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the thing, you know what when you said it,
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  Speaker 4: because when they were saying it in there, it sounded
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  Speaker 4: like it was like his first name, like it was
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  Speaker 4: just his first name.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but his first name was Wayne and his last
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  Speaker 1: name was Gross.
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  Speaker 3: Is all they ever call him?
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  Speaker 1: Yes?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if you or slick, which I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess that was just Tom Seismore When I watch
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  Speaker 4: movies like this, like any of them that are like older,
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  Speaker 4: and I think, like I always see like, oh oh yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Ashley Judd.
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  Speaker 2: Was popular back then.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, Amy Brennan, I remember she was on
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  Speaker 4: that show later Dennis Haysbert, who's basically all State's voice,
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  Speaker 4: and that's the only thing I.
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  Speaker 2: Know him from.
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  Speaker 1: That was kind of jarring.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, this movie, I was wondering where.
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  Speaker 4: He came in at because they kept showing a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of him and I'm like, where does how does
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  Speaker 4: he get involved?
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  Speaker 2: And then.
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  Speaker 4: Oh man, there was someone. There was someone else.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Bubba Gump, Bubba Gump, Bubba Gump.
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  Speaker 4: He was the one that was trying to get Ashley
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  Speaker 4: Judd to give up her husband. I forgot the detectives.
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  Speaker 2: Oh right, yeah, yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, my cut.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I saw his name pop up.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't realize that.
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  Speaker 4: I well, I was just thinking like, okay, this is
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  Speaker 4: ninety five, so it's right off right from Forrest Gump,
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  Speaker 4: and so I.
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  Speaker 3: Did think it was weird. He started talking to her
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  Speaker 3: about shrimp a lot in that way scene.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but she was like, well, it was like, you know,
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  Speaker 4: your daughter's gonna being fostic here and she's gonna be
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  Speaker 4: on a shrimp boat.
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  Speaker 2: A shrimp and that was enough. That was enough.
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  Speaker 3: It makes a lot more sense now you guys were
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  Speaker 3: talking about the sound. I had always heard that that
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  Speaker 3: the famous gunfight in the middle of the movie, like
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  Speaker 3: that was the reason you need to see it in
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  Speaker 3: a theater, And it did not disappoint. It was kind
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  Speaker 3: of it's kind of the end of a firework show
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  Speaker 3: when the sound just all starts to blend together as
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  Speaker 3: just one loud band like that started to happen at
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  Speaker 3: some point I thought it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was effective sound design because like the longer it goes,
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  Speaker 1: the more you kind of feel like you've been through
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  Speaker 1: it too as a movie going Yeah, it's like like
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  Speaker 1: you said, it kind of starts to drone on and
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  Speaker 1: it almost kind of feels like a bit of a
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  Speaker 1: war zone kind of vibe. Like it made it really
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  Speaker 1: enhanced the experience of being there in that moment.
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  Speaker 4: It felt incredibly immersive, like anytime the action was really happening,
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  Speaker 4: you are just taken aback by it. But that very
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  Speaker 4: famous bank fighting sequence is amazing to watch, Like the
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  Speaker 4: moment they get in that car and everybody's in its
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  Speaker 4: non stop. What I didn't realize was that was the
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  Speaker 4: middle of the movie and then But it makes sense
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  Speaker 4: because there's basically all this kind of the fallout from it,
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  Speaker 4: and it does, you know, it slows down, but not
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  Speaker 4: in a boring way. It is more of like, okay, now,
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  Speaker 4: now where's the consequences of it? And okay, how can
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  Speaker 4: we get out? And it's still a kind of a
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  Speaker 4: race against the clock sort of, because you know, DeNiro's
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  Speaker 4: trying to get out of town with his lady friend.
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  Speaker 3: I mentioned this to you guys, But the story I've
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  Speaker 3: heard is that a sound editor or someone toned down
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  Speaker 3: the sound in that and made it more kind of
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  Speaker 3: theatrical friendly and lirable. Yeah, that's right, And I mean
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  Speaker 3: I think just assume that they really didn't want it
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  Speaker 3: just the way that I've heard it described is kind of,
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  Speaker 3: you know, just blasting off the walls of the city
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  Speaker 3: buildings and that kind of thing. And Michael Man saw
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  Speaker 3: a cut or something and basically said, what did you do?
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  Speaker 3: Put it back? And I don't know if that's true,
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  Speaker 3: but I hope it is.
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  Speaker 2: I do too.
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  Speaker 4: I imagine him listening to that and being like, what,
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  Speaker 4: that's not loud enough.
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  Speaker 2: Ye can't be loud enough.
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  Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
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  Speaker 2: Is Michael Manduff.
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  Speaker 1: From the the the opening scene when they hit that truck, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: and it's knocks it over. That I knew then. I'm like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's gonna be like that.
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  Speaker 4: But let me ask you this because that's so like
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  Speaker 4: it's so out and intense.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Sometimes when they're just talking, I can barely hear them. Yeah,
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know if they just picked
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: up on some of it because some sounds more clear
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: than others, or is it because I got my ear
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: drums blasted and anything anything sounds like they're whispering.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Did that except for Pacino when he says great ass,
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: I heard.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: That loud clear?
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: Everyone did hear that? Yes, Sony, you mentioned that scene,
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: and that really is the first like a shot we're
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: getting into this thing. Now. You guys had not seen
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: the movie recently or at all? Do you did that
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: up to that point? Was it kind of like where
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: are we going with this? And like what's it doing?
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And then with the sound, Well, just like the movies,
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: it's not slow, but it's kind of building for twenty
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: minutes or so before you get into that scene. You know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: it's what it does. It splits and gives you kind
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: of a piece of both of the main characters. It
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: shows Pacino in bed with his wife. It shows uh
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: de Niro, I don't remember what he's doing at the
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: very beginning. Well, he's kind of going through all the
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: motions to kind of get ready for that. It was
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: the highest the ambulance, that's right, preparing Val Kilmer is
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: getting the explosive, all.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: Of those things. Yeah, I.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: The film's reputation preceded it for me, so, like I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: kind of knew this was going to be it's a
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: long movie. It's almost three hours, if not over three hours.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I don't recall off the top of my head, but
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: I kind of remember thinking they're going to they're really
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: going to flush this thing out, and I was patient
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: with it. And there's nothing like watching al Pacino make
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: love to a woman. So I exactly was not complaining
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: about especially thing first thing that's his.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: Intro yeah him, I Yeah, I mean I kind of
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: knew it was. You know, Pacino is going to chase
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: chase him down, and that he was prepping for like
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: one big heighs for retirement, which you know, you've kind.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Of heard that before, but in no way.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Was this predictable or just an average heist movie. It's
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: the I just love the way that the two men
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: d Niro and Pacino's character is, the way they are
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: depicted and the story that's being told outside of the
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: quote unquote action part of it.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: Uh, it means a lot more.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: And when some of these guys do die it it
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: it's effective because you you you've been around them enough
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and they've you know. I mean, it's not like you
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: know everything about like Tom Sizemore's character, but you understand
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: kind of where he's coming from. And then there's that
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: scene where they're all at the dinner table and there's
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: a scene where de Niro's going to Kilmer's wife that's
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: played by Ashley Judd when she when he finds out
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: she's having an affair. Like, clearly there is there's this
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: tight group. Now, I will say, what is William Fickner.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: He plays yes well, and we kind of touched on
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: this before we started recording, but I was kind of
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: wondering where that was leading. Uh, but I do love
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: that I'm talking to an empty The man on the
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: other end is dead and he's talking to him, which
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: you know what. Then I started thinking, and I do
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: think there's some similarities and I and maybe this has
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: already been said, uh somewhere out there, but after watching
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: Heat and that famous sequence, I just wonder because I
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: sometimes you kind of get those feelings and vibes from
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: pieces of The Dark Knight. Yes, and it also just
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: so happens William Fickner is in the beginning the Dark Knight,
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: and so.
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of things is where I'm like, ship
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: did they get that from Heat?
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I think that either Nolan has said it or a
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: lot of people have drawn those lines. There's something there's
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: something I.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Think seen to start the darkness, that's right, Yeah, i'malking
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: about that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And in both movies there's this I don't even
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: know that can describe it. It's kind of a dim
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: home that's kind of happening in the sound in the
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: dark Night.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: It's very like clear I think you're talking about.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: And it was in Heat too. I recognize it today
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: as there's in your ears the whole.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Maybe so yes, but yeah, I'm and I and the
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: other thing I told you guys, and one of Michael
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Man's which actually it's a movie that's part of this
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: action distraction, Collateral. First of all, Tom Cruise's character is
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: named Vincent, which that's Pacino's name, but there is. Tom
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: Cruise's appearance in Collateral is borderline identical to de Niro's
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: and Heat. I don't really find that a coincidence, considering
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: it's from the same writer director.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: But I was like, where have I seen that?
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, oh, that's like the gray suit, white shirt,
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: even the hairstyles, sort of like, I mean, I.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Know, oh, something that I just heard literally on the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: way over here on that same note is apparently in
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: the I think I think they were saying this was
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a different podcast talking about Heat. That in the commentary
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: on Heat that Michael Mann says the train that started
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: I think it's the blue line that starts Heat ends Collaterals.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: That's the same Blue Line train, huh, which is really cool? Good?
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: And those are my two favorite films of Michael Mann.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Heat and Collaterals. I don't think you can get any better.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't. I can't say that I've seen too many.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: I looked at his filmography see Miami Vice. I've seen
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Miami Vice, which I I liked it, but again I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: haven't seen it since two thousand and six. Or again, Yeah,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: I dressed up for that movie.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: You really did. That's a legit.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and nobody got it. Nobody. People thought I just
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: dressed like Miami Vice.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Well, people didn't get it when we were dressed up
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: for heat either. They actually told us that there were
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: no free restrooms in there.
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: And as I told you, guys, I dressed up as
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: DeNiro's character when I saw e t and he wasn't
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: even out yet. Yeah, so imagine the looks that I got,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: you know, slip back here with the suit and a
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: mole and a mole and a goatee was four.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: Brandon, you said this. But a thing that really stands
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: out to me about this movie is it's a virtual
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: expectations in that it's almost a hill. You climb on
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: the top of the hills in the middle, and then
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: it goes down on both sides, but in very meaningful ways.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Not to say it's slow or worse, but yeah, the
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: apex is kind of the middle with that scene of
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: them meeting and then the bank crobbery scene.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it almost feels like two separate movies. It almost
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: feels like it's almost like the first movie builds to
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the Bank's high scene and then the sequel, Heat Too,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: actually takes place directly after.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: What Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that makes total sense.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: I we were talking about that. Like, I have great
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: respect and admiration for both Pacino and de Niro. I think,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: depending on what stage you kind of were introduced to them,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: would wait like kids today don't really have that same
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: respect because they don't they don't you know, they don't
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: know or they don't care about what they you know,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: the shit they were doing in the seventies and eighties
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: and nineties. And I think I do think de Niro
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: has kind of I think he's still delivering some pretty
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: great stuff and Pacino has got has a different He
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: just hasn't done as many things that would be that
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: stand out I would. I mean, I think that Adam
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: Sandler movie Jack and Jill where even Pacino said almost
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: killed his career. When you're Pacino and that movie they
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: said you killed your almost killed your career, that's saying something.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Now, don't get me wrong.
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: To Neiro has been in a lot of stupid movies too,
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: But I do think of like Killers of the Flower Moon,
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: Silver Linings Playbook, and The Irishman and Pacino's Good and.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: The Irishman as well.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: But I mean, you know, we were talking Dog Day
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: Afternoon and Sacario and Taxi Driver and Raging Bull.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: I mean all these things. So so for me, when
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: these two guys.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: Sit across from each other, that, I mean, that's some
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: that's some weight, because not only talk about two guys
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: that were kind of on this journey together and again
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: before I get ripped a new one and Godfather Part two,
• 25:46
  Speaker 4: they were in it together. So I love that diner scene.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: And that's one of the things I knew about the
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: movie if I never even saw it.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: But that scene made my heart race as much as
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the Bank High scene and the final scene at the
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: airport as well.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It does. And I think it's because it's that calm
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: before the storm.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, as then they finally have met, and the way
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: that it happens where he pulls them over and it's
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: so nonchalant and he's like, yeah, sure, but when they
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: sit down and then you realize they are one and
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: the same.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: They have a different way of doing business.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: Two signs are the same coin yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: And so, but and that conversation is great and it
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: even it's much more meaningful because of the two actors
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: who are sitting across from where they could have retired
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: in ninety five and been legends, and they have gone
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: on to do great stuff. But I mean in the
• 26:43
  Speaker 4: nineties they were.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: They were good.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: This is something we talked about earlier in the year
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: when we did our podcast on Night Shift. And I'm
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: like different context obviously, but watching this film for the
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: first time in twenty twenty five with the benefit of
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: understanding how the next thirty years would unfold and the
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: megastars that these guys would go on to become. I mean,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: they're big stars in nineteen ninety five when this film's made,
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if knowing now what legends they
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: would become. And like the place that both of these
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: guys would would take in film history, it was kind
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: of wild to see that they really brought it in
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that scene and they really went toe to toe with
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: one another. Like the subtle facial expressions, the eye movement,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the little smirk that Pacino throws were like his cheek
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: twitches almost like a smile. It's not quite a smile.
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: I mean to me, it was just it gave me chills.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: It was like watching two of the all time greats
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: go head to head.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Basically, I think a lot of people felt that way.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: And depending on, like I said, when you grew up
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: and what was kind of how you were introduced to
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: these two guys, you either were fans of theirs in
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties, So like the big deal was
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: them too sharing an actual scene, because, believe it or not,
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: they had never This was the first movie they've been
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: in since Godfather Part two. This is the first time
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: that they shared a scene together, and a lot of
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: people it's like a you know, are you a Pacino
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: or a de Niro fan? Like and to watch them
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: come together like that, now, if that was one of
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: your first introductions, then I feel like, yeah, you don't
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: like the history those two brought to with it. The
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: first scene that the first movie I saw with had
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: them too is called Righteous Kill, and I think it's
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: like from two thousand and eight, and that's not what
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: I would expect from them too, And it has been
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: a rough ride for them since then. But this, I mean,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: if anything, for some it's a nice reminder of like
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: they are legends for a reason, and this film certainly
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: does it. They have their kind of what they're known for,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: their quirks, but it all fits so nicely into the
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: story that Michael Man is telling.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: But there's a real.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Substance there, Like it's not just a bad guy and
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: a relentless detective.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's not what this is.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: There's some of it there, but that's not all of it.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: And anyway, I respect the hell out of it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Bret, What did you think about the dynamic having Paccino
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: and de Niro in this sort of both sides of
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: the same coin kind of kind of characters.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that is the glue for the movie.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: We were talking about earlier that it is a long movie,
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: like three hours is a long time, no matter how
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: good the movie is. But because they're both so good
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: in it, every scene has one of them, Yeah, and
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: so or if it doesn't, it's for the short best
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: amount of time, and so you.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Might be getting some foul Kilmer a.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, who's also great in this, and so you it's
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: there's always a scene stealer, so to speak, in one
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: of the in every shot of the movie. And then
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: when they're together, I mean talking about that dining dining
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: room scene. It's making me think about I recently watched
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: for the first time The Godfather Part three, which people
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: have a lot of feelings about. But one of the
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: things that's just panned widely is Sophia Coppola as his daughter,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: as al Pacino's daughter in the movie, and the two
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: of them together is entertaining for a different reason because
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: it's like one of the greatest actors and then someone
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: who's just fighting for a life. It feels like and
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: this is the opposite of that.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: This is these are two men that.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: It's what you said, toe to toe throwing haymakers and
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: both of them taking it.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, they.
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Which I mean, I know sounds ridiculous when I say it,
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: but yes, I mean in ninety five, these guys they know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: they know what they're doing. They know, but it's but
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: it's great.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's kind.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Of the same thing like when you know, I mean
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: to me, when there's DiCaprio and de Niro together with
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Martin Swasese for kills, there's just some things that you
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: want to see. It's almost like when people used to
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: play like you know, what if stem took on the Undertaker,
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: but sometimes you know, but every now and then you
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: get the two biggest guys of their day, and it's
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: in a great film, and they got one of the
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: best scenes you could you could imagine. The end is
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: also a nice little thing that they that they have together.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: And again it it means those two guys on screen
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: together means a lot. Unfortunately, depending on when you see it,
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: whether it's a righteous kill or hopefully maybe in this
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: one it is that.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: But again I don't want.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: To shit too much on righteous Kill because it is
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: not that great. But Pacino and de Niro do come
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: back for Irishmen, so it's it's nice. And what I
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: was trying to think who Pacino played, but it was Hafa,
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: That's who it was.
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: That's right. The dining room scene, it's the first place
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: you if you haven't you know, the pieces are there
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: to connect it. But it's crystal clear in that moment
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: for the audience and maybe for the characters for the
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: first time they are the only ones that understand each
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: other fully. Yeah, and then that carries through the rest
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: of the movie.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Yes, and that it's placed perfectly before the bank robbery,
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: which obviously is intentional but I agree, and I just
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: love and what would you say, I don't know, four
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: minutes scene, five minutes scene maybe yeah, not, but that's
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: a lot is done in those in those five minutes.
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: And honestly, like what Stony was talking about with all
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: like the the sometimes just going on a look, I mean,
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: you know, there's no there's nobody with this long monologue
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: of anything. And I feel like, yeah, because you have
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: those two and it was they can get a lot
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: across without saying a whole lot.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: It was crazy what they were able to say with
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the just the tension that hung in the air, the
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: facial expressions, all that stuff. Like what they're talking about
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: is one thing, and what their body language and their
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: eyes are saying is like I felt like there's a
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: bit of mutual respect here between these two, Oh yeah,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: which is kind of a crazy thing given the point
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: of contention they have over you know, killing people basically
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: being a criminal.
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: And well when he talks about like you know, they
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: basically tell each other that won't hesitate. I did think
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: I did think it was kind of funny because I
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I did not realize that this was taken and then
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: putting in another Denuro movie. But when he said I
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: have nipples, Vincent, can you milk me?
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: That was why that wild thing blew me? Yeah, way, yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: yeah it did.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: It fell out of place. But I thought the scene
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: had some interesting foreshadowing as well.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Obviously. Yeah, they talk about a moment where if it
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: comes down man to man one on one, I'm not
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: going to hesitate. You know which side I'm gonna be on.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: It's almost like they're establishing terms, and then that's ultimately
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: what the film comes down to, is manoymno outside that airport.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: And I liked the line. I believe we'd heard it
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: before in the film with De Niro telling Val Kilmer's character,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: but he recites it again for Pacinos, saying, you know, don't.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: When the heat, don't have any attachments, don't.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: Have any attachment that you can't walk away from in
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: thirty seconds when you feel the heat around the corner.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: That coming to prove to be such meaningful words. When
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: he's literally faced with Edie, who he's fallen in love with,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: that he thinks, you know, he's going to go kill
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: mister grow, mister Wayne Grow Wayne Grow, and then get on,
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: get on out of town. But when Pacino kind of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: catches him in the act and he has to really
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: it's put up or shut up with those words, it's like,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: do what. I can't stay here, this is the heat
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: around the corner. I've got to be able to move
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: on from it. So I thought, like drawing back to
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: that scene in the diner, I thought was really good
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: foreshadowing there as well, just in that conversation.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Alone, something that we didn't talk about right after. And
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: i'd be interested to know y'all's thoughts on from that moment.
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: There's from the diner scene, no from the moment that
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: he walks away from eating oh okay, there's eight to
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: ten minutes of no dialogue of them just chasing each
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: other through the air, him chasing him. Yeah, And and
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: i'd be interested just to know y'all's responses to that scene,
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: kind of your reactions, because it's just it's unconventional in
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: that in a movie that's had so much sound, so
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: much noise, so much dialogue in so many ways, that
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: all of a sudden, outside of the background sounds, it
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: goes silent.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: I liked it because I think it made that part
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of the film feel lonely and isolated. Which I think
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: is representative of the last men standing. The last two
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: characters aren't both you know, they even they talk about
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: it in that diner scene of like, you know, my
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: al Pacino's like, my life's a disaster zone, and they
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: they aren't typical people, and there is kind of a
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: quietness they're both. I mean, de Niro is called a
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: lone wolf several times in the in the film, they're
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: like keep tabs on the loaner, all that sort of stuff.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: So I thought, but the quiet did well to kind
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of set the stage for the for the for the
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: end of the movie, but also it kind of felt
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: like it put both of these guys in a quiet,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: lonely place, which is where they belong. And another touch
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: with that scene kind of to go along the same lines,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: is I think it was a real good touch of
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: writing to have Pacino being the only one that really
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: sees where de Niro goes and being able to track
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: him down because they are so similar and it was
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: going to take somebody on de Niro's level to catch him,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: and so I just kind of felt like you kind
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: of took those two guys at the end and you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: just put them in their own little box and their
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: own little pocket universe, if you will, where nothing is
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: really going on outside of them, and I think the
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: quiet in those scenes helped establish that.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and also just in more simple terms, like I
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: was just sitting there captivated because I'm like, yeah, I'm like, okay,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: he's going after him.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: And right when it looks like Butchino has stopped, he
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: has it.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Like right when you think it looks.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: Like DeNiro, I think is as far away like he
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: he never turns back, Butchino pursues, which is I mean
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: true to them, to his character. But the way that
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: it kept going and like you know, you see like
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: that tram that has luggage, and like it would go
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: by and then it comes back. Oh okay, we're gonna
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: keep going. Like I mean, it was the it was
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: even though the whole thing is really this kind of
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: man hunt cat and mouse game. This now it's been
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: stripped to where it really is sort of like like
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: Stoney said to me, this was kind of like two
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: heavyweights main event.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Here you go, this is it.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Everybody else has gone? Yeah, everybody everybody else has gone.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: They've made their They've made their peace. Pacino with his
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: wife de Niro with his lady. This is it, this
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: is how it, this is how it will go.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: It's almost like at that point there's nothing left to
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: resolve but the correct between the correct, and it's like
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we've we've crossed everything off the list except for who
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: comes out on top.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Somebody's somebody like like within the diners, somebody's going down, yeah,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: and somebody. But the thing is what I what I
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: really admire is that even when they basically know there
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: is no there, they both aren't going to live through.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: It is just the fact of that they they have
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: accepted who they are and I And it's not that
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: if they could go back and redo it, they they
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: they might. But Pacino when he says it to his wife,
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: where he's like, I just don't think right for each
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: other and like you said, I'm I'm only the person
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: I'm chasing. And then with Nero where this is what
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: he does. He ain't going back in the thirty seconds
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: thing and he just proved that and that's it. I
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: mean he has you know, when Kilmer's at his house,
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: he has no furniture when I get around to it,
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: when I get around to it, And the thing is
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: he will never get around to it.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: That's the you know, And so.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: It has to end with them too.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: It has to.
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: There's no other there's no other conclusion where both men
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: walk the earth.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: That can't happen.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, Uh what did? And I have
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: a question, my only why do I feel like when
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: you say something like you ask it like that, I
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: feel like something ridiculous.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Is gonna come.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: No, this actually isn't. But I was curious because you're
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: just like, I'm just curious how Paccino knew.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: That that car was his because he saw her sitting
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in the right but he didn't know her. He just
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: knew that.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: He said he had a girl, but it was everybody
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: else's running from this building, but this woman is still
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: in this caring.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, I thought it's kind of an unusual thing.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: I thought it was about the girl in the car,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: and I was trying to think, well, he still doesn't
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: know who she is, but you're right, there's and it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: kind of and the thing where I thought was kind
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: of funny but I liked it is that while everybody's running,
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: which in all fairness, he has dressed a security guy,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: but de Niro is coming this way what everyone else
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: is running.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: But I'm like, well, he does have a security jacket.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: But but it's also to me meant like, I mean,
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: there was no stopping him to which, by the way,
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: that scene when he finally catches Wayne Grescoes I believe
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: that's his name is I didn't quite know if this
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: was just gonna be like, oh, he beats him up
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: and always begs for his life.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: He does this. I love the way it was done,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: it kept, it was.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: True to form, the way the whole film had, the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: way the whole film is done and told and that
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: that whole look at me, look at me, and that's
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: all he wanted.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And then he he let it, he let it to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: just put one right and I loved it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: And then that final that that final shot of of
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: that god like that like that is like I don't
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, I would love to know when de Niro
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: read this and thought, hmm, this is I could do this.
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I mean, he that is a cool character. And honestly,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: and I should say, you really should not be rooting
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: for him because he kills quite a few people and
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: that whole bank robbery thing, I don't know how many
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: people just got killed in the Street. Yeah, there's no
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: who or who Pacino pushes to the ground because he
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: don't give a ship.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Well, and they're both sympathetic characters, Like there, you do
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: feel for both of them. De Niro's character shouldn't be
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: but he is, and then Pacino's character should be. But
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of ways that you see the bad
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: side of him. Like I was thinking a moment ago
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: when you were talking about their dynamic that there's a
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: scene early on where Edie asks Neil about him being
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: lonely and he says, I'm alone. I'm not lonely, but
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: he is lonely because you have these moments where he
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: looks around the table at everybody else and he gets
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: up and he goes and calls her, and like that's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: the thing that he's missing, even though he's promised himself
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: he won't go to that. And then to me, that's
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: what is so At the same time, Vincent is with
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: a family, but he's lonely too because he doesn't fit there.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: He can't share who he really is and all of that.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Well, I think that's also a part where where again
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: that diner scene, I keep going back to it because
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: that's two men basically confessing to each other who they
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: are and that they are one and the same. I said,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: two sides of a coin. But I also really I
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: it's the sacrifice, right. It's a sacrifice that Neil has
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: no one, and it's a sacrifice that Vincent has basically
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: abandoned everybody who depends on him, and it's for what
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: they do, and that's what's to find them. And like
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: I said, I mean, it's almost they there is no way,
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: like through all these scores that they're doing the film itself,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: there is no out. It has to end with one
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: of them going. I mean, it just has to.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to see how the deeper we
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: get into the film, the more they begin to just
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: accept that they are who they are. And you see
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: things like Pino or Vincent leaving the hospital to go pursue.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: The case, yeah, after he said he'll never leave.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you see things like Neil leaving Edie.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It's like, no matter what happens, these guys still are
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: who they are.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: And for Vincent Pacino's character, where.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: He's not he is mad his wife slept with Ralph, but.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: He's more pissed because he's watching his TV. Yeah, and
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: then he kicks the teeth that's important, which I do
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: think part of it is where like he is mad,
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: But I again, I think there is this underneath, there
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: is this awareness of they know who they are, like
• 45:21
  Speaker 4: they're they're not really as much as maybe they are
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: trying to change it or run from it. Like I said,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: I feel like that diner scene is two men admitting
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: this is it, Like this is who they are. One
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: just happens to be a cop and the other one
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: just happens to be a thief.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: And you know, one of the things that really sets
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: this movie over the top for me is that idea
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: of them kind of being in isolation. Yeah, and yet
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: they are connected, but they're opposed to one another. The
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: end of the movie, I mean, in a very unexpected way,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is a very sweet moment of like, as one of
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: them's dying, the other ones there like this person who
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: can relate to them the most is with them.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: And Vincent Milks I I did catch that.
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: I mean, Neil did.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: There's an easter egg for the upcoming Meet the Fokkers.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I agree, I didn't quite know what
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: they're like. I thought that he was like gonna shake
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: his hand likes well done, sir, well done.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: That shot is a powerful one, and it's just great storytelling.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: But also, and I mean, the performances are phenomenal, But
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: I will say a lot of work is put into
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: Vincent and Neil because you've got you have to believe
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: in them or you or nothing else works from all
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: the way up until you get to diner bank robbery
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: to everything that happens after, if you're not invested in
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: that on top of just like the action sees, like
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: we said, sound design, everything that really pops, you kind
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: of boil it down and it's like, yeah, you but
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, listen, hit your ride to a back then,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: especially to a Pacino and de Niro, I mean, you're you're.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Probably all right. Talking about the foreshadowing a little bit.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: We were talking about this just a minute before we
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: started recording. Do you guys think it meant something that
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Val Kilmer's character Chris had a different color hockey mask
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: than everybody else at the beginning of the film because
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: he ends up being the only one.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so to our knowledge makes it out
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: a lot.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think there has to be something to it, ye,
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: what we were talking about is why wouldn't his just
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: be white too, because he's very much a part of
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: the gang, and if that was some kind of status thing,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: then de Niro technically should wear it. So I just
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: kind of feel like Michael Mann was kind of in
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: the middle, kind of hinting. And then, like you said,
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: foreshadowing on see that guy in the black mask, he's
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: the only one who's gonna ride out of here with something.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Now, in all fairness, is it Chris?
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: Is that Kilmer? He loses but he's alive.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think there's an interesting bit of I
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: don't know if you would call it symbolism, foreshadowing whatever,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: where they're having the conversation Neil and Chris, and Neil
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: tells him the line about not getting too attached and
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: don't know, yeh, something that you can't walk away from
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: in thirty seconds when the heats around the corner and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Chris looks at him and says, my day the sun's
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: sun rises and sets with her or something like that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And then if you think about it, it's Chris saying, essentially,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I can't be like you. I'm not like you. But
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: because of that, and because he has Ashley Judd's character.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: That's really what gets him out a lot and untouched
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: at the end. It is.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: And as much as even like with her, like having
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: the affairs of you know, she basically lets him know
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: that don't don't come up come up here, and that's
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: what did Like she could have easily done it and
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: and that would have been it.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: So yeah, that but to your point that that is.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: Absolutely true, that that that one difference is why de
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Niro ended up Neil ended up the way that it
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: went down, and that it's like you said, as far
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: as we know, he's the only one now again I
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: mean that you know, happy ending. I mean, I don't
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: think so, not if he can't go back to the person.
• 49:37
  Speaker 4: He literally said his day revolves around and their kid,
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: but but still breathing.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: It's still a getaway. And to me, yeah, it kind
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: of frames that conversation the two characters had earlier a
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: little differently, And I think it makes for a larger,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: more powerful metaphor, like you you can't be the lonely
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: guy that is just obsessed with his work or right scores.
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: Or what have you.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Like, it does kind of take having somebody on the
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: other end to help pull you up sometimes. And I
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: just thought that was a really nice touch of writing.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: It really really added to the uh the story.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: I thought it was nice that, uh, Neil and uh,
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: what's the Amy Brenneman Edie. I think it's nice that
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: you just needed a bookstore, you know. Yeah, like the
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: good old days, exactly.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: A rom com where a man says, why do you
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: care what I do? When well, it was a bit
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: was that's basically you've got mail.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: When Neil met Eddie Edie, when Neil medi.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Hey, I do want to bring up you, said Val
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Kilmer lost he did get a cool haircut.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he did kind of look like the Val Kilmer
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: I remember.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: Maybe made some new friends who were playing basketball.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: Perhaps she has They did help him out, That is true. Yeah,
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: I you know what, it's not the character I thought
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: he would play.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I thought he's great in it.
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: I thought he, I guess, in a way played a
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: bigger part than he did. Like for some reason, I
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: thought he was a part of what like not so
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: much on the team, but like was kind of an
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: in between where de Niro had to deal with him
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: and Pacino and like, but you know, that that wasn't
• 51:28
  Speaker 4: really the case, even though he did get quite a
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: bit more time because of his wife and kid. And
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: I think what Stony was talking about, he's kind of
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: the opposite of de Niro, where that's not really the
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: life he wants to live. But then, I mean, de
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Niro probably sees that as a weakness, even though that,
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: like said, probably saved his life. But it does make
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: me miss Val Kilmer. I mean, obviously there was a
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: part of me that crossed my mind watching this. In
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: all fairness, Val Kilmer's career did. I mean, it's not like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: you know, he he too younger, We didn't know what
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: his career was. But but you know, before we went
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: to see Heat, Tombstone was playing and it's just like, man,
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: this guy was really kind of in it. And I mean, listen,
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: I loved him with Downey in the Kiss Kiss Ban Bang.
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: I thought he's funny macgroober, which, speaking of mcgroober, I
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: had no idea, but John Voyd plays an older mcgroober
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: in Heat, which is crazy to me, and he still
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: seemed more sane than he is now. But I think
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: that was the biggest surprise of them all is I
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: could have sworn. John Voyd's character had to be like
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: turning on de Niro in the Yeah I like something, Yeah,
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: but he was he.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Was, he was in his appearance. You could have like,
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: they could have made it like he's way Grove's dad. Yeah,
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: and nobody knew, absolutely absolutely, And you know Val Kelmer,
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: he really thrives in that like number two on the Squad,
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  Speaker 3: like Scotty, he steals the scene of Tombstone like Doc Holliday,
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  Speaker 3: like he is a great in that rolling same I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna deal with this top gun, top gun.
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  Speaker 1: Well that's uh, that's all I got for this show.
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  Speaker 1: I've emptied, emptied the clip in my notebook.
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  Speaker 3: I have one more thing, What do you have? This
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  Speaker 3: is a great movie.
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  Speaker 1: I love it, Brandon. Anything else that you want to
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  Speaker 1: add about heat before we get on out of here today?
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  Speaker 4: Uh no, sorry, I thought John Voyd and de Niro
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  Speaker 4: we're in another movie together, which I still have not seen,
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: which is another when I hear is a great one.
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  Speaker 4: The Deer Hunter has m Meryl Street Christopher walking. I'd
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  Speaker 4: love to see that. There's a lot I have to
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: catch up on, but I am happy, Actually, I am
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: overjoyed that I got to see this in theaters. Thank
• 53:48
  Speaker 4: you again, Brett for inviting us, letting us know I
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: loved it. My favorite Michael Man film, Collateral is a
• 53:54
  Speaker 4: very very close second, but I three hours worth of
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: story that's told, the acting that's involved, the sound design,
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  Speaker 4: the action secret it is one of the absolute best
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  Speaker 4: of those type of films. And again, just glad that
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Bellcourt finally did it on its thirtieth anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: So I do I do have one other real thing
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  Speaker 3: to say. I think like that is to some degree,
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  Speaker 3: like I think that's why you go see movies. That's
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: why you get excited about movies. That's why like it is.
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  Speaker 3: It is exciting to me one to see it in
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  Speaker 3: a theater because I've not seen it, but also like
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: for you guys to see it and then for it
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: to live up to the hype because there's so many
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: times that it's very true everybody disagrees and like this
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  Speaker 3: is just something that universally seems like people love and
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: for good reason.
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  Speaker 4: There's so much care into the way that this story
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: is told, and it could have gone in so many directions.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean not just like the runtime, but the
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  Speaker 4: way it's done. The when these scenes happen and the
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: momentum it has, or the like I said, when everything
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: kind of gets blown out and then you're you're left
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: with okay, picking it up and okay, where do we go?
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: And oh shit, that was that's also like you said,
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  Speaker 4: it's almost like a sequel to the to the first part. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: just incredibly done. It's very I think some had already
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: said it, but it is. It's I when I when
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  Speaker 4: I think of masterful, that's that's heat.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well said, that's going to do it for us.
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: Another episode of the Movie Review Rewind Podcast. Again, if
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  Speaker 1: you're listening to this in July, we hope you're having
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: a great July. If you're not, if you're not happy Thanksgiving,
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: you guys, enjoy enjoy the holiday. Uh. This has been
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: the Movie Review Rewind Podcast. As a reminder, all of
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: our work is up at Nashville Movie Dispatch dot substack
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  Speaker 1: dot com. For Brandon, for Brett, I'm stony and until
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  Speaker 1: next time, you stay classy moviegoers.