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#9 - Aga Akaiyah Fortune - Detoxing the Mind, Body and Spirit with Kambo · Walking with Jaguars

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  Hey, welcome back to the Walking with Jaguar
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  podcast. Today I have a very special guest. Her
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  name is Aga. She is a medicine woman. She is
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  a Cambo practitioner and teacher. She is a musician
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  and just an all -around amazing soul walking
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  the path. And I'm really excited to dive in because
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  I feel like... I don't know you super well, but
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  I feel like there's a lot of things that align
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  in our two worlds. So before we dive in, I was
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  wondering if there was any other hats or identities
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  that you like to wear just for fun. I mean, I
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  wear so many hats. I like to go by the octopus
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  hat. Right. It's like medicine, psychedelics,
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  but also sound and music, but also like comedy.
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  I have a background in acting and sketch comedy.
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  So it's like, you know, it's so hard to define
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  myself as one thing. So I even have a hard time
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  with bios because it's like I have so many hobbies
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  and interests. So it's like, let's just pick
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  a topic and let's wear that hat for a little
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  while. No, 100 % agree. It seems like everyone
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  who's kind of walking the path, it's just the
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  curiosity takes you down so many paths, you know?
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  So yeah, love it. Let's just get started with
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  a bit of like background. I'm curious what called
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  you to the medicine path and what the first little
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  period of that looked like. It was actually a
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  love story. So my first time sitting with medicine
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  was with ayahuasca in Ecuador. But how I got
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  there, my family, my mom and my brother were
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  living out in Ecuador. They had moved. I'm in
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  Vancouver. And they were living off the grid.
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  And invited me out. And at that time, I was 19
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  going on 20 working as in film and television.
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  I wanted to be an actress. And everybody knows
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  people who are acting are also really broke and
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  work a bunch of jobs. So I was working door check
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  at a strip club in Vancouver at the penthouse.
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  So I was working door check. I was doing like
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  jewelry auctions on the weekends. I was working
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  at an acting school. I was overworked, burnt
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  out. addicted to alcohol. I didn't realize at
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  the time, but I had social anxiety that I was
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  masking with alcohol, partying, getting into
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  cocaine and MDMA and ecstasy and all these things
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  and kind of was reluctant about going to Ecuador.
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  I was like, what am I going to do in Ecuador?
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  I'm an actress, right? And they were like, no,
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  you got to come out here. Just experience this.
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  So I land in Ecuador. There's no context at all.
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  Next day, my brother's like, hey, you got to
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  try out this ayahuasca thing. It's super cool.
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  You're in a teepee. There's a shaman. You puke.
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  You get visions. It's great. And I'm honestly
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  an adventurous spirit, and I don't need much
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  context. I'm like, sign me up. Let's do this.
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  And the next morning, his friend picks me up
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  and is this beautiful young man. And instantly,
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  I'm like in awe. I told my brother, like, dude,
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  you didn't tell me, like, this man is gorgeous.
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  I had this huge crush. And he takes me to my
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  first ayahuasca ceremony. And the experience
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  itself wasn't magical. There was a lot of, I
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  mean, there's actually quite a comical story
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  around it of a lot of purging. And I want to
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  say probably the worst ceremony I've ever been
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  to, the ayahuasquero, the shaman fell asleep
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  at. throughout the whole ceremony, just sitting
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  there snoring. And it's just absolute chaos.
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  People are purging. There's exorcisms happening.
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  There's a dog got into the teepee and it's just
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  growling at everyone. There was no bathroom set
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  up in the backyard. So people are just pooing
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  all over the backyard. If you're trying to go
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  out and anyone who sat with Aya knows that you're
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  kind of teetering, it kind of feels like you're
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  drunk, you're wobbly. So I'm stepping in shit.
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  You know, it's just not a good experience. I'm
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  next to this beautiful man and when we're journeying
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  it felt like our souls were remembering each
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  other and by the end of those three days we turned
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  to each other and we're like I remember you and
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  I've fallen deeply in love with you and what
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  turned what was a two -week visit with my parents
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  was this beautiful um I want to say like love
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  affair and when I went back to Vancouver I got
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  rid of I got rid of all my jobs. I sold all my
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  stuff. And I was like, okay, I've got to go back.
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  I got to go back to this world, to this man,
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  but also to this world that was revealed to me
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  of psychedelics, of conscious relating and embodiment.
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  So I sold all my stuff and I was still broke
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  at the time. And I asked the spirit, like, if
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  I'm meant to go there, please give me enough
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  money for the ticket. And tax season was around
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  the corner. And out of nowhere, I got just the
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  perfect amount to go buy my ticket, go back to
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  Ecuador, the Vilcabamba in the Andean mountains
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  and live out what ended up being two and a half,
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  three -ish years with this man of on and off
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  living in Ecuador and in Mexico, going down to
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  Pucallpa, Peru in an ayahuasca center and learning
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  there. And yeah, just immersing myself in this
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  world of psychedelics, but also what it means
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  to truly live in that place of authentic relating.
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  In the past, I had, like I'd mentioned, masked
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  so much of my trauma with alcohol and so much
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  of my coping mechanisms that when I became sober,
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  it's like this whole other world opened up to
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  me. So that was the beginning of entering this
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  world. All right, we're back. Technical difficulties.
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  Yes. Yeah. Sold all my shit, came and then went
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  back to Ecuador and lived. My plan was to live
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  in Ecuador. I was like, I'm moving here. I love
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  this. I love the community. I love psychedelics.
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  I love purging. That's where I also found out
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  about Cambo. I love, there's a really conscious
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  community there with breath work, with ecstatic
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  dance. This whole idea of authentic, liberated
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  expression was so foreign to me and so abstract
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  and at the same time so enticing. And of course,
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  you know, meeting a beautiful man and falling
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  in love and having my first conscious relationship
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  was a great selling point for me to move down
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  there. And so we were together for about two
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  years. I want to say on and off two years. We
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  were living in Ecuador. Mexico, Peru, and this
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  young man, he was training to be an ayahuasquero.
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  His life was visionary states of consciousness,
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  studying the subtle realms. And by default, I
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  was by his side, also learning kind of like Velcro
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  learning. And we ended up in Pucallpa, Peru at
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  one point in an ayahuasca center, and we were
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  being trained to manage the center. And that
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  was a really big turning point where I was introduced
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  to a world where this was not just a place of
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  explorative fun for me, but I could see firsthand
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  how people were healing 20 years of depression
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  and, you know, antidepressant, what's the word,
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  resistant depression or bulimia or addiction
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  or PTSD. And right before my eyes in a week's
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  time, people having these massive transformative
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  experiences. And that's something inside of me
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  clicked. I think I was 23 at the time. And I
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  went, yeah, I want to dedicate my life to this.
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  This is what works. Yeah. And like, as soon as
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  you're like around the medicine circles, you
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  just see it. You see it. It's insane. Like the
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  light just flicks on in people's eyes and their
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  entire lives shift. Yeah. So how long were you
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  down in Pokolpa for? I think it was only about
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  four months. I didn't I didn't last. We didn't
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  end up taking over the center because the idea
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  was that we would be on for six months and then
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  the owners would go back home to, I believe,
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  Arizona at the time for six months because they
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  had been running this retreat. I believe it was
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  called it's called Madia Tierra now. They had
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  a different name. They're still there. They're
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  still in Pucallpa, Peru. I see their posts all
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  the time on my Instagram. And but just how. Life
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  circumstances, it wasn't the job for me. I ended
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  up, you know, that relationship came to a harmonious
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  end, a completion. I went to move on to the next
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  chapter in my life, which was yoga and meditation
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  and traveling the world in Southeast Asia and
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  going to India and learning yoga and learning
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  nutrition. There was this incredible chef at
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  that ayahuasca center who was into the ketogenic
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  diet. I didn't know at the time, but I also had
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  food allergies that I was struggling with that
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  caused chronic bloating and candida. Also, I
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  didn't realize I had fungal candida and a lot
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  of my symptoms were fungal based. And when I
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  shifted my diet and stumbled upon a compound
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  called Lufeneron, thanks to my brother, the same
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  guy who introduced ayahuasca to me, I... transform
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  my my health around because up until then I was
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  also really sick I was on antibiotics for three
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  to six months out of the year um for some sort
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  of strep throat or kidney infection or ear infection
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  or sinus infection um and then in the summer
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  I had hay fever that I had was living off of
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  claritin and reactant so I was constantly medicated
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  plus I was guzzling alcohol and I was on birth
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  control and I was eating crap so my body even
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  though I was young, 20, was falling apart. So
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  my time at that ayahuasca center was a huge awakening,
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  not just thanks to ayahuasca, but also recognizing
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  that I have fungus, learning about what a real
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  healthy diet looks like. Not saying that that's
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  keto for everybody, but keto really helped swap
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  things around for me. And then I dove deep into
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  nutrition, became a holistic health coach. And
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  by the time I moved back to Vancouver to anchor
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  in, Yeah, I had been exposed to, you know, many
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  facets of modality, alternative healing modalities
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  and started to weave my own practice here in
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  Vancouver. So what did that look like initially?
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  Initially, it was gut health coaching. So focusing
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  with on candida and gut health and leaky gut.
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  And then. started to get the call to work with
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  mushrooms here and serving mushrooms. And then
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  that led to learning about the nervous system
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  and becoming a trauma -informed somatic breathwork
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  practitioner involving, yeah, incorporating breath.
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  And then Bufo came on and then Cambo. And it
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  was all, all of a sudden this like altar of medicine
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  started to appear in my life. But it started
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  off with good old bone broth. yeah i know like
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  like me personally like i had a lot of health
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  problems growing up you know and that's kind
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  of what led me to the medicine path in a weird
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  kind of way you know and everyone like has their
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  own way they find it as well and like some people
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  just had like really brutal childhood and this
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  and that you know but it's cool like when it's
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  cool when you're sick and like the evolution
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  that you have to like create in yourself and
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  like have real world connection to the healing
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  that's taking place. Like I've done so much work
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  now on like healing my guts. I didn't even know
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  was an issue, you know, until I actually became
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  like more self -aware and I was like, oh my God,
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  people like poo good every day. What the fuck?
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  You know, like growing up, like I got, what's
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  it called? staff i had a staff infection when
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  i was 19 or something and like they just pushed
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  so many antibiotics through my system in that
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  period and it was like my guts were just absolutely
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  destroyed you know and like turning that around
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  took such a long time so yeah that's awesome
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  and is that when you created the candida cleanse
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  around that same time I didn't create it. I was
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  introduced to it. My brother actually got connected
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  to the distributor and created Candida Cleanser.
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  So when I was starting to become a health coach,
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  I basically got piggybacked into his company.
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  So I started working for him. And then over the
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  years, he stepped out of that role and then passed
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  it on to me. Awesome. So what kind of work are
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  you doing around the candida? Because I know
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  I had a conversation with you a couple of months
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  ago now, and you were telling me that the candida,
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  it almost creates like an exoskeleton. And I'd
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  never heard that before. So I'd love to just
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  dive in and just like get some wisdom from you.
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  Yeah, so I didn't know this either. When people
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  think of candida, they mostly think of yeast
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  overgrowth. And yeast is a single -celled organism
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  in the body. And it's like the janitor. It will
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  eat excess sugar, toxins, dead and decaying tissue.
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  And your gut bacteria will actually eat the yeast.
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  And they live in this symbiotic relationship.
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  But the problem is when the yeast overgrows.
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  And why does it overgrow? Well, first of all,
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  we don't have enough probiotics because... antibiotics
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  aren't and everything right like you go you you
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  get sick your doctor's like ha amoxicillin penicillin
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  right or you have like that staph infection or
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  even um surgeries people go in and they're just
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  pumped with these medications that alter gut
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  bacteria um but also stress the chlorine in our
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  water and you know, the excess sugar in our diet.
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  It's like an all -you -can -eat buffet for this
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  yeast, and it grows and grows and grows and grows,
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  and then this bacteria that's supposed to eat
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  it, there's not enough of it. And candida is
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  unique because it's dimorphic. When it proliferates
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  to a certain amount of numbers, it changes form,
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  and now it turns into a fungus, which is very
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  different than yeast overgrowth. Fungus, if it's
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  covered in... an exoskeleton made of chitin and
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  chitin is the same stuff that lobsters ticks
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  fleas crabs cockroaches are made out of it's
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  basically impenetrable by the human immune system
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  the body has a really hard time to to get into
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  the colony and when we look at mushrooms in the
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  wild what do they have they have hyphae they
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  have those roots that poke through and then grow
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  and Candida does the same thing. It grows that
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  exoskeleton, starts to poke hyphae, which causes
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  leaky gut in your system, and disperse its microtoxins
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  into your bloodstream. Yeast doesn't do this.
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  Fungus, mold, like if we have black mold in our
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  house, that stuff's lethal because the microtoxins
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  are... minute, they get into the air, and now
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  you're attached to this thing like an IV drip
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  of mycotoxins that are attacking your pituitary
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  gland, which is attacking your metabolic system,
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  so even your adrenals. It's going after healthy
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  liver cells. It's going after healthy immune
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  system cells. It's basically destroying your
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  immune system, your detox pathways. It's producing
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  an alcohol byproduct called acetylaldehyde, and
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  that stuff is... what gives you the hangover.
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  When you drink alcohol, alcohol turns into acetaldehyde,
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  and then you're hungover, you're nauseous, you're
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  sensitive to the light, you might have some joint
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  pain. That's like that toxin building up in your
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  system. And so now you're, again, hooked up to
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  this thing that's constantly releasing alcohol
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  byproduct into your system, again, further depleting
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  your liver function. And it's... Most people
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  have it and they don't realize because they feel
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  tired or nauseous or brain fog is normal or they've
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  got joint pain or they're a little bloated after
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  meals. And these small little nuanced symptoms,
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  they collect and they build and build and build.
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  And at one point, it's going to explode and you're
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  going to have some diagnosable condition like
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  an autoimmune condition or I've even been seeing
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  it develop diabetes in people and worst case
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  scenario, cancer. sweet, sugary, or alcohol byproduct
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  feeds cancer cells. And then you go into chemo,
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  they zap your system, destroying everything,
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  but the fungus, and the fungus continues to grow,
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  and then most people that, I'm going on a tangent
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  here now, right, will end up succumbing to a
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  candida infection after chemo, not cancer. And
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  this is on the CDC website. It's like, if you
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  go through a round of chemo, do like an antifungal,
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  but they don't really address this. And so it's
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  this like deep epidemic that drives not just
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  sugar cravings in people, but really like chronic
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  dangerous conditions. So when I found that out,
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  I was like, oh my God, get this thing out of
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  my body. Yeah, it's brutal. And I moved to Costa
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  Rica like three and a half years ago. And the
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  first place I stayed in was super moldy, you
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  know, and I didn't. really know like the dangers
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  of living in a moldy space like that and within
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  six months it was like my health just completely
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  tanked like everything you know and even just
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  like kind of fixing myself up and like detoxing
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  that out of my system has taken years it's crazy
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  i'd have this like i have like a very sent like
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  sensitive nose or like system to when mold is
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  in a room now just like after going through that
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  and it isn't like i like necessarily start sneezing
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  or like there's an allergy or like my skin flares
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  up i feel like this sense of doom you know like
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  impending doom like just bad energy my thoughts
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  turn bad all of this stuff and it's like whenever
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  there's mold present Mm -hmm. Yeah. When mold's
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  present in the body or like in the environment,
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  I see you get moldy thoughts too. You get moldy,
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  parasitic thoughts. Your perspective on life
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  just plummets. You're apathetic. You don't have
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  energy. Or you're like hypervigilant too. And
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  like your body's just in a survival mode and
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  a stress response that can't turn off. And exposure
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  to mold can take some time to... recover from
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  and it's like almost in the club for life your
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  body becomes hypersensitive to uh the to mold
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  spores so it's kind of like welcome to the club
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  bud yeah i'm in i'm in that club your spidey
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  senses are tingling yeah yeah that's what it
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  feels like that's that's what it feels like you
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  know it isn't like these super clear symptoms
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  it's like you just know something's terribly
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  wrong Something that I also, it's so funny when
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  you go down these rabbit holes of fixing these
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  things. One of the things I learned through that
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  process was pillows come with an expiry date
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  on them. You know? And I had no idea that was
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  even a thing. And I was like going through all
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  the pillows in my place. I was like, what the
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  fuck? These are all like 10 years expired, you
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  know? And even just like changing all of those
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  out dramatically made changes. Mm -hmm. And you
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  can smell it too. It's like this musky, like,
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  yeah, smell. It's funny you mentioned that. I
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  was just like scrolling the other day and this
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  comedian popped up on my feed talking about pillows,
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  this exact thing. It's like, when was the last
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  time you bought a pillow? You probably have it.
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  You've had the same pillow for over a decade,
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  hey? It's just like worn out. It doesn't even,
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  it's not even filled anymore. And you're, you
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  know, you're readjusting it to make it work.
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  It's like, just go get yourself a new pillow.
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  Come on. Mm -hmm. And I mean, like, if you're
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  living in Canada, I guess it's not too bad. Like,
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  you still get mold and stuff there. But, like,
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  living in Costa Rica, the wet season is so brutal,
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  you know? Like, you just can't escape the humidity.
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  And, you know, even if you're running a dehum
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  in your closet, like, the whole time, like, shit
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  still gets moldy. And it's just, like, kind of
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  sad, you know? So I buy a new set of pillows,
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  like, every year. It's, like, the best investment.
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  So what do you recommend for, like, getting mold
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  out of the body? Well, I predominantly work with
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  Lufeneron. And Lufeneron is a pharmaceutical
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  that was developed, I want to say like 50 years
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  ago or so. And it specifically addresses species
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  that use chitin as their exoskeleton. All it
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  is is a chitin enzyme inhibitor. It prevents
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  that organism from making its exoskeleton. So
• 21:26
  it works on candida, but a lot of different mold
• 21:30
  species and parasite species. And even I've seen
• 21:35
  it help bring people with Lyme disease into remission
• 21:37
  or into recovery because the Lyme works or needs...
• 21:43
  chitin to proliferate. It lives on, you know,
• 21:46
  with ticks. And when you remove the chitin, they
• 21:50
  don't have that material that they need to reproduce
• 21:57
  in. There's some weird connection. I remember
• 22:00
  when I found a study of this, it made so much
• 22:03
  sense. Like, why candida and Lyme go together?
• 22:06
  So I work with lefeneron and what I like about
• 22:09
  it is it's completely inert to the human body.
• 22:12
  It doesn't get processed by the liver or the
• 22:14
  kidneys. It's absorbed by the fat and goes into
• 22:17
  your tissues where it's stored and then released
• 22:19
  over time. So it doesn't damage our detox pathways.
• 22:22
  And that's one of the dangers with like a traditional
• 22:26
  antifungal is it's incredibly toxic to the liver.
• 22:31
  If you have a mold or fungal infection, your
• 22:34
  liver is already suffering. So to go in there
• 22:37
  with something that will hurt it even further
• 22:38
  can cause a lot of damage. So I've been working
• 22:42
  with Le Fanon since I found out about it when
• 22:43
  I was 20 from my brother. And it's to this day
• 22:48
  the most effective thing I've seen. Yeah, that's
• 22:51
  amazing. I've never used it, so I'm going to
• 22:53
  have to hook up and get some bottles for sure.
• 22:57
  I think it'd be good. And are you mixing that
• 22:59
  with like... binders and and other things to
• 23:02
  help pull everything out of the body or does
• 23:04
  the body do a pretty good job of just kind of
• 23:06
  clearing house oh no no of course it's like this
• 23:10
  is the compound that gets at the the armor but
• 23:14
  you have to support your detox pathway so if
• 23:17
  you're very sick and backed up you've got to
• 23:19
  work on supporting the liver cleaning out the
• 23:21
  lymphatic system definitely taking binders, taking
• 23:25
  supports for the liver like alpha lipoic acid
• 23:27
  or even liposomal glutathione. You really want
• 23:30
  to make sure that your detox pathways are clear
• 23:34
  and functioning because if you start killing
• 23:36
  this thing, it starts dying and releasing even
• 23:38
  more toxins and it can just create really unbearable
• 23:42
  die -off symptoms. And die -off is feeling worse
• 23:44
  before you feel better. And sometimes it feels
• 23:46
  like absolute death. It feels like you're dying
• 23:48
  because this thing that's inside of you that's
• 23:50
  now like hijacked your nervous system and your
• 23:53
  perception of reality is also dying. So it ends
• 23:57
  up actually being quite a spiritual experience
• 24:00
  when you're purging this, you know, we talk about
• 24:03
  entities in the psychedelic space, but these
• 24:06
  parasites, they're entities. They live inside
• 24:08
  of us, feeding off of our life force, hijacking
• 24:12
  our, you know, desires like food cravings, for
• 24:15
  example, or even when that nervous system is
• 24:18
  in constant fight or flight fighting an infection,
• 24:21
  we are hypervigilant. So it's like we actually
• 24:24
  aren't ourselves. We're infected by this thing.
• 24:27
  So when we go through that cleanse, it can be
• 24:29
  quite a spiritual exorcism getting it out. But
• 24:34
  then what happens on the other side is like,
• 24:36
  wow, the clouds part and it's like. wow, this
• 24:39
  is what it feels like to be alive. There's my
• 24:41
  vitality. There's my wonder. There's my creativity.
• 24:43
  There's my curiosity. There's my joy for being
• 24:46
  alive. I'm no longer in survival mode, just trying
• 24:49
  to get through the day like another robot in
• 24:51
  society living by the rules. I'm all of a sudden
• 24:54
  curious and living outside of the box and actually
• 24:56
  being a free thinker, no longer governed by fear.
• 25:00
  It's like, wow, I'm reclaiming my sovereignty.
• 25:03
  And some institutions don't want that. So that's
• 25:11
  why this little conspiracy thing around candida,
• 25:13
  that's why there isn't, it's not even addressed.
• 25:16
  People, your average doctor will say you're just
• 25:18
  making it up or that there's no cure or the things
• 25:21
  that they offer don't actually help because it's
• 25:24
  not really studied and it's a really profitable
• 25:26
  disease. Not even a disease, it's a profitable
• 25:29
  condition that leads to profitable diseases because
• 25:32
  a sick person is a person that will spend money
• 25:38
  to get better. there's profit there. Yeah. And
• 25:42
  then like, just for like the people listening,
• 25:43
  like this isn't like, even like the parasites
• 25:46
  and the candida, this isn't like a third world
• 25:49
  thing. It's like, everyone's full of them, you
• 25:54
  know? And like you, like you were saying, it's
• 25:57
  crazy when you start to clear this stuff out.
• 25:59
  I just did a pretty intense parasite cleanse
• 26:01
  at the end of last year. And one day I like passed
• 26:05
  this, God, it would have been like, you know,
• 26:07
  one two foot size tapeworm and all day i was
• 26:13
  like not good in the head i was like super anxious
• 26:17
  and nervous and like just feeling really off
• 26:20
  and i was like man like what is going on like
• 26:23
  i'm relatively in tune with like the energies
• 26:26
  that are affecting me and then go to the bathroom
• 26:29
  and this thing comes out it's just like you know
• 26:31
  this long and it was just like oh and then all
• 26:35
  the energy cleared And I was like, what the fuck?
• 26:38
  Like these things affect us so much psychologically.
• 26:41
  I'm curious what protocol you were on to have
• 26:46
  that beautiful, beautiful excretion. I mean,
• 26:52
  kind of just like a whole bunch of things I've
• 26:55
  come across. You know, like I started off doing
• 27:00
  like liver flushes with the Epsom salts and the...
• 27:04
  the apple juice and stuff like that. Um, and
• 27:08
  I did a mucoid plaque flush. I got these, uh,
• 27:12
  like three year fermented, uh, it's like a mega
• 27:17
  dose of, of digestive enzymes from Thailand.
• 27:22
  Uh, it's called Zen cleanse one. And like the
• 27:25
  shit that comes out of you is just like unbelievable,
• 27:27
  you know? And then like, once my guts were pretty
• 27:30
  good and I find like, you kind of want to be
• 27:33
  going to the bathroom like two three times a
• 27:35
  day to like really allow all the detox to happen
• 27:38
  because if you're just bunged up and your guts
• 27:40
  are all fucked up it's like you can't just stick
• 27:43
  a whole bunch of anti -parasitics in the system
• 27:45
  like you were saying like the die -off just destroys
• 27:48
  you you're like a husk you know um and then yeah
• 27:52
  i just moved into like taking some anti -parasitics
• 27:55
  so like the the clove and the black walnut husk
• 28:00
  and kind of like that whole array. Um, and then
• 28:02
  I was also filling them up in suppositories and
• 28:05
  just going straight up there, the other end,
• 28:08
  uh, and then enemas and all sorts of stuff. But
• 28:11
  once it like started clearing, it's like, even
• 28:15
  now it's like, you know, I haven't taken any
• 28:16
  antiparasitics in months, but it's like, my guts
• 28:19
  are healing. And every time there's a release,
• 28:21
  it can heal more, which pushes more out. And
• 28:24
  like, I still have things clearing. no doubt
• 28:27
  yeah they say tapeworm like a tapeworm lays a
• 28:32
  hundred thousand eggs a day something ridiculous
• 28:36
  like that it's absurd and i mean i like went
• 28:41
  down the parasite rabbit hole from drinking ayahuasca
• 28:45
  and she was showing me all these worms and i
• 28:49
  was like what the fuck is this you know and she
• 28:52
  was like this is inside your gut and i was like
• 28:55
  oh okay okay message received yeah yeah people
• 29:03
  don't get it like our intestines are if you like
• 29:06
  rolled them all out it's the size of a tennis
• 29:08
  court and in that is like a shag a shag rug the
• 29:13
  size of a tennis court and then imagine all those
• 29:15
  little like filaments or that little What do
• 29:18
  you call it? Like finger -like protrusions in
• 29:20
  the shag rug. All those also have little protrusions
• 29:22
  and it's like there's so much surface area for
• 29:25
  stuff to live in. Like our carpet, you know,
• 29:28
  you have to vacuum that like regularly, right?
• 29:32
  There's stuff in there all the time. And so it's
• 29:34
  like considering that like we also have to help
• 29:36
  clear things out. It's like also I... I give
• 29:39
  the metaphor of like a garden. It's alive. There's
• 29:42
  an ecosystem in there. We have to tend it. And
• 29:45
  yeah, you know, the different seasons of gardening,
• 29:48
  I'm like, I use this analogy, but I'm a terrible
• 29:50
  gardener. I, you know, all my plants die outside.
• 29:53
  But, you know, you got to go out there. You got
• 29:55
  to mulch and give nutrition to the soil. You
• 29:57
  got to... You know, take the pests out and you
• 30:00
  got to plant things that are like in harmony
• 30:01
  with one another so that they support each other's
• 30:03
  growth. It's like the same thing is in us. And
• 30:06
  I really do like turning to nature to learn about
• 30:09
  the nature of reality and the nature of this
• 30:11
  body because we're not separate from the earth.
• 30:13
  How we see the ecosystems working is we have
• 30:16
  those inside of ourselves as well. Yeah, absolutely.
• 30:21
  Absolutely. Yeah, like the amount of stuff that
• 30:23
  we're exposed to is unbelievable. And like you
• 30:25
  were pointing out, like all the medications and
• 30:27
  like all the heavy metals in our diets, you know,
• 30:31
  like my partner, Emily, she does HTMA testing.
• 30:35
  And I got my minerals tested and my mercury was
• 30:38
  just through the roof. And I was like, where
• 30:41
  did this even come from? You know? And like,
• 30:44
  that's what like opens up all these portals for
• 30:47
  these like crazy things to get inside of us.
• 30:52
  Yeah, I heard the guy, Rick Malter, he developed
• 30:56
  HTMA. And I have a good friend who's friends
• 31:00
  with him, and he's a deeply spiritual man. And
• 31:03
  he was linking actually, you know, the state
• 31:07
  of our consciousness is connected to our mineral
• 31:10
  balance, because these minerals are like spark
• 31:12
  plugs to our electricity, we are a conduit. So
• 31:17
  how we are conducting our consciousness, because
• 31:20
  consciousness is not... you know, in the body,
• 31:23
  you know, it's out here somewhere and we're attuning
• 31:24
  to it. And then when the wrong minerals are plugged
• 31:28
  in, it can fry that and we can attune to something
• 31:31
  else or become vulnerable to these other energies
• 31:34
  to come in. So, yeah, I mean, that's as far.
• 31:40
  It's definitely spiritual. Emily looks at people's
• 31:43
  charts and she's like, oh, they have mummy issues,
• 31:46
  you know. It's like certain certain relationships
• 31:51
  between the minerals. It's just like, oh, if
• 31:53
  this one's way out, it's like that's that's that's
• 31:55
  mommy shit. That one. That's mom. That's dad.
• 31:58
  That's this. Oh, that's awesome. So she reads
• 32:00
  the charts. Yeah. Oh, great. I love that. It's
• 32:04
  so nuanced, too. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. And it's
• 32:10
  good, too, because like we we diet quite a bit.
• 32:13
  Like with the with the master plants, like you're
• 32:16
  going like no salt, no nothing for. months at
• 32:18
  a time we did a year you know we closed out at
• 32:20
  the sort of the beginning of last year and right
• 32:24
  away we just like did a htma and just be like
• 32:26
  okay like where are we at you know because that
• 32:29
  can kind of throw you out a little bit so it's
• 32:31
  nice to like work out how to get back to you
• 32:34
  know normal living yeah i'm curious how does
• 32:38
  a dieta like say like you finished a year -long
• 32:40
  dieta like how did that affect your minerals
• 32:42
  i mean my sodium levels were just like zero obviously
• 32:47
  Um, so that had to get fixed up. The amount of
• 32:50
  heavy metal detoxing that happened was insane
• 32:54
  too. Um, because like when you're taking it out
• 32:57
  of the hair, right. It's actually, the body's
• 33:00
  already pushed it out. So like some people will
• 33:03
  be like heavy metal toxic, but they won't show
• 33:06
  in their hair tests because their body's like
• 33:09
  just literally holding onto all of it. right
• 33:12
  so it's actually a good sign when it's like you
• 33:14
  see it clearing it means it's moving um but my
• 33:17
  mercury and like aluminum levels were like five
• 33:20
  times higher than before dieting wow yeah okay
• 33:29
  i think it's time i think we dive into cambo
• 33:32
  oh yes cambo it's a good segue i love cambo I'll
• 33:38
  just preface with a little story about how I
• 33:41
  came to Cambo. So obviously, like, just drinking
• 33:46
  ayahuasca and sort of being on the medicine path,
• 33:49
  you get exposed to a lot of the jungle medicines.
• 33:52
  And I, you know, I'd done Cambo maybe, like,
• 33:58
  four or five times just for, like, you know,
• 34:01
  house cleaning type things. But I got... bit
• 34:05
  by a brown recluse spider and it put this like
• 34:10
  inch deep hole in my leg and i was like my body
• 34:16
  will heal it my body will heal it you know and
• 34:19
  a month passed and it just like nothing had healed
• 34:23
  it just got way worse and I basically had to
• 34:29
  go to the hospital to get them to like just cut
• 34:32
  off all the necrotic skin and basically like
• 34:34
  reset the wound. And they wanted to put me on
• 34:37
  antibiotics. And I just like will never do a
• 34:39
  course again for the rest of my life after the
• 34:41
  staph infection. And instead I did what was like
• 34:46
  eight points of Cambo. And it was brutal. You
• 34:51
  know, it was like. 19 minutes before i purged
• 34:54
  it was like pins and needles all over my body
• 34:56
  it felt like someone set me on fire and then
• 34:59
  finally like released and just like so much violent
• 35:03
  battery acid and just like all that good stuff
• 35:05
  but i just healed like so well afterwards within
• 35:09
  a week i was like basically back to my normal
• 35:11
  being again and that's when i was like okay i
• 35:14
  really understand like the power and the beauty
• 35:17
  of this medicine and so ever since i've just
• 35:21
  been like in love with that spirit, you know?
• 35:24
  So I'm curious, like when you went from like
• 35:29
  participating towards being like, I want to learn
• 35:32
  and start serving. Hmm. I never wanted to serve
• 35:39
  it actually. I had hosted a friend or I want
• 35:45
  to say it wasn't, she wasn't a friend yet. at
• 35:50
  our space. She needed a space to do Cambo. She
• 35:53
  was here from Oregon and she was a presenter
• 35:56
  at the Spirit Plant Medicine Conference led here
• 35:58
  in Vancouver. And she did the thing about Cambo
• 36:02
  and needed a place to serve. And I offered my
• 36:04
  space and we did three days in a row. And this
• 36:07
  was my, I had sat with Cambo back in the, in
• 36:11
  Ecuador before. And this was my second, this
• 36:14
  third, fourth. I want to say my first time was
• 36:17
  in Ecuador, but I did it three times. And this
• 36:18
  was my second time doing three times again. And
• 36:22
  I mean, I don't like the experience. I hate the
• 36:26
  experience. I don't ever willingly want to do
• 36:29
  Cambo. And after doing those three days, anytime
• 36:34
  I would sit in meditation, this little frog would
• 36:37
  sit on my shoulder and say, hey, learn, learn
• 36:40
  me, learn how to serve me. And I was like, no.
• 36:42
  I don't want to. And I was really questioning,
• 36:44
  like, where's this desire to serve Cambo coming
• 36:46
  from? Like, do I want, like, am I, you know,
• 36:49
  venerating or pedestalling this friend of mine?
• 36:52
  Or like, is it because I want to acquire another
• 36:55
  tool? I was really sitting with it. Like, no,
• 36:58
  I don't want to. I don't even like sitting with
• 37:00
  you. Why would I serve you? And this went on
• 37:04
  for like six months and finally said, okay, if
• 37:08
  you really want this. If you want me to serve
• 37:12
  you, give me the money I need for the deposit
• 37:16
  for the training. And I was looking at the training
• 37:19
  with IAKP at the time and the deposit, I think
• 37:23
  it was like $1 ,200. And in 24 hours, I get an
• 37:28
  email and someone wants to sign up for one of
• 37:32
  my like highest tiered coaching sessions with
• 37:36
  Candida, which rarely anybody would buy. which
• 37:40
  happened to be exactly like $1 ,200. And I go,
• 37:43
  okay, I get it. Fine. So I apply, I do the training
• 37:49
  and then I'm in the training and I'm like, you
• 37:51
  know what? Health coaching has been really hard.
• 37:54
  You know, coaching in general, it's like convincing
• 37:56
  people that they need help. I sometimes felt
• 37:59
  like a salesman of, you know. Like there's all
• 38:02
  these marketing tactics and sales funnels. You
• 38:05
  know, we see this all the time in the coaching
• 38:07
  world of like, here's your pain point and let
• 38:09
  me rub salt in it. And it's like, I hate that.
• 38:11
  It's so, I didn't like that with my coaching
• 38:13
  practice or like the company I was working with.
• 38:17
  It's like, I don't want to do that with medicine.
• 38:19
  I don't want to have to hustle to find clients.
• 38:22
  Like I really, that's not how it should be with
• 38:24
  medicine. So I will agree to work with you if
• 38:28
  you just. effortlessly send me people who want
• 38:31
  to work with this medicine and who find me, right?
• 38:35
  And lo and behold, I finish and I get home. And
• 38:39
  an hour later after my training, my friend's
• 38:41
  like, I have someone who wants to do Cambo. They
• 38:44
  want to do Cambo with you. I'm like, I haven't
• 38:46
  even gotten my buckets yet for people to puke
• 38:49
  in. Like, oh, okay. And that's how it started.
• 38:55
  And people just found me because I... Um, cause
• 39:00
  I think that was my, my agreement is I want this
• 39:03
  to be really clear and an integrity. I'm, I'm,
• 39:07
  I'm in service to Cambo. Right. I say like, it's
• 39:10
  my boss and he, she will send me people that
• 39:14
  need, that need it. And, um, and it's been this
• 39:17
  beautiful collaborative relationship ever since.
• 39:21
  Yeah. Amazing. Great CEO. Cambo spirit. Yeah.
• 39:27
  That's a good contract you signed. Love it. Yeah.
• 39:31
  Okay. So Cambo is often grouped with psychedelics
• 39:36
  and there is no shift in perception really that
• 39:43
  happens during the ceremony. So how do you differentiate
• 39:46
  Cambo from that world? And like, where do you
• 39:51
  see it fitting in? That's a really good question.
• 39:54
  I appreciate it. Cause it's. often confused with
• 39:57
  bufo because it's cambo, bufo, frog, toad. And
• 40:03
  yeah, it's grouped in that class of psychedelics,
• 40:06
  but it's not, like you said, it doesn't expand
• 40:08
  your consciousness. It doesn't create visionary
• 40:11
  states of direct revelation with unconscious
• 40:15
  material or source or these mystical experiences
• 40:19
  that people have when working with things like
• 40:21
  plant medicine. It is a purely physical experience,
• 40:27
  right? It's peptides that are dysregulating you
• 40:31
  momentarily to bring deeper regulation and immune
• 40:34
  modulation and detox to the body. So it's actually
• 40:38
  not mind expanding. People don't walk away with
• 40:42
  deep insights. They usually walk away feeling
• 40:44
  more grounded and embodied. So in my experience,
• 40:48
  it's not a psychedelic. However, I... where it
• 40:52
  fits into that world, it's excellent preparation
• 40:55
  and can be a good integration, tool for integration.
• 41:00
  So preparation. So a lot of people jump into
• 41:03
  psychedelics, say they watch Fantastic Fungi
• 41:06
  and they're like, great, I want to do a deep
• 41:08
  experience. Give me five grams of mushrooms to
• 41:10
  heal my PTSD. But they've never had an experience
• 41:15
  of intentional intensity or loss of control or
• 41:19
  even know how to. navigate emotional dysregulation,
• 41:25
  right? So throwing them into a deep experience
• 41:28
  might not be the best thing for their nervous
• 41:30
  system or the psyche, right? So I really like
• 41:33
  Cambo to, it's like practice. It's like, okay,
• 41:36
  try 20 minutes of dysregulation where loss of
• 41:40
  complete control and you have to surrender. And
• 41:41
  let's just start with physical because as soon
• 41:43
  as we bring in the visuals and the Because psychedelics
• 41:48
  can also hijack our perception of reality and
• 41:50
  our emotions. All of a sudden, we're just plunged
• 41:52
  into fear or panic or just discomfort or anger,
• 41:57
  right? When the mind and the emotions come online,
• 42:00
  it's harder to navigate that dysregulation. So
• 42:03
  Cambo's like, let's just stick with the physical.
• 42:06
  Can you be with puke and vomit and shaking and
• 42:10
  physical discomfort? as like a initiation experience
• 42:16
  for a more intense experience of psychedelics.
• 42:20
  And at the same time, it brings deeper regulation
• 42:23
  and stability and grounding into a person's nervous
• 42:27
  system so that they become more resilient in
• 42:30
  a psychedelic experience or prepare them for
• 42:33
  even breath work, like learning how to move energy
• 42:38
  with your own will rather than being forced to
• 42:41
  break open. So I find that our culture in the
• 42:45
  West is like, go big or go home. I want it now.
• 42:48
  Like, you know, I want to heal now. But the body
• 42:51
  doesn't work that way. It needs to move slowly.
• 42:54
  And so I find that I often slow people down and
• 42:58
  introduce them with Cambo for that greater regulation
• 43:01
  and also clearing out. Like we mentioned, most
• 43:05
  people are so toxic and so inflamed that when
• 43:08
  they go do AYA without prep, it's a really uncomfortable,
• 43:11
  pukey experience. It's not much visionary things
• 43:15
  because AYA is working on your physical body.
• 43:17
  And that's what the importance of that dieta
• 43:19
  is, right? So it's like you want to clear out.
• 43:22
  So Cambo can do that. It can clear that out so
• 43:25
  that you can prepare for something like AYA or
• 43:28
  Iboga with less of a purgative experience in
• 43:30
  those experiences. And it's like it said that,
• 43:34
  yeah, you can clear out so the plant medicine
• 43:36
  can meet you in deeper layers of yourself. Yeah,
• 43:41
  100 percent. I just had I just served cambo to
• 43:44
  someone. Well, it was like two weeks ago and
• 43:48
  mostly just a normie, like very bright spirit
• 43:51
  underneath, you know, but just the very beginning
• 43:53
  of his of his journey. And after the ceremony,
• 43:58
  he was like, I just can't think. And I was like.
• 44:02
  yeah like that's that's the beauty it's like
• 44:05
  just turn the mine off like let everything settle
• 44:08
  you know and then i don't honestly do mushrooms
• 44:12
  very much at all these days um but i actually
• 44:15
  ate five grams of mushrooms with him after his
• 44:18
  ceremony like it was a couple days later and
• 44:20
  he was like i usually get so nauseous and there's
• 44:22
  like no nausea it's like it's the cambo You know,
• 44:26
  it's like such an amazing preparation to work
• 44:29
  with all these things because it does quiet the
• 44:30
  mind. It does allow like the consciousness to
• 44:33
  flow through your vessel so much smoother. So
• 44:36
  although it's not psychedelic, it's like, it's
• 44:39
  just perfectly like woven with that world, you
• 44:43
  know? And I mean, how Cambo, I mean, you might
• 44:47
  be able to tell the story better than me of like
• 44:49
  how Cambo came about, but it came through. visionary
• 44:54
  states in ayahuasca yeah the yeah there's a there's
• 45:01
  a full story that all the tribes share and they
• 45:04
  all have similarities and the tribes even argue
• 45:07
  amongst themselves of who was the first one to
• 45:09
  discover this but it's an oral story that has
• 45:13
  been passed down for hundreds of years because
• 45:15
  they've been working with um cambo for i mean
• 45:19
  in my training it was like 800 years 900 100
• 45:21
  we don't know because time is obsolete in those
• 45:25
  spaces there's no recorded literature of things
• 45:28
  everything's just passed down orally and so yeah
• 45:31
  that's there's this tribe and everyone starts
• 45:36
  getting sick and dying and the pages the healers
• 45:40
  are trying everything and nothing was working
• 45:43
  so the chief his name is kampum as a last resort
• 45:48
  sits with aya and is begging like Please, please
• 45:51
  tell me what to do to save my people. And she
• 45:54
  shows them this vision of this frog, of how to
• 45:57
  harvest, what to do. So the next day, they find
• 46:00
  the frog. They follow the precise directions.
• 46:03
  And that's precise. So those of you who don't
• 46:05
  know are listening to this. Cambo is the excretion
• 46:08
  of the giant green monkey tree frog. And you
• 46:13
  take its secretion. So you're wiping the frog
• 46:17
  and giving it a nice little pet. Then you burn
• 46:19
  yourself to expose the lymphatic system and you
• 46:23
  put that secretion onto your skin and then you
• 46:27
  start vomiting and it looks like you've been
• 46:30
  poisoned. And a lot of times people think it
• 46:32
  is poison and that's why you're puking because
• 46:34
  you're poisoning yourself. So that's like a myth
• 46:36
  we can bust right away. But on the outside, it
• 46:40
  looks terrifying. You're like, why would I do
• 46:42
  this? So I can imagine like the first people
• 46:44
  who did this had to have a lot of trust in. aya
• 46:48
  right in the spirit of like okay like there's
• 46:51
  so much um so many poisonous species out there
• 46:54
  in the amazon that like you just have to trust
• 46:57
  okay i guess i guess this is good good for me
• 47:01
  and and yeah it was everyone started healing
• 47:04
  and getting better and then this information
• 47:06
  was passed on and named kambo after the chief
• 47:08
  kampum And so traditionally it is used for malaria,
• 47:13
  for viruses, for snake bites, for like spider
• 47:16
  bites. It's such an awesome story that you shared
• 47:18
  because like that's exactly what they're using
• 47:19
  it for. It's their medicine. It's the vaccine
• 47:22
  of the forest. It helps women with fertility.
• 47:24
  It helps the men with hunting and stamina. It's,
• 47:28
  yeah, it's truly medicinal. And so to call it
• 47:32
  a poison is really a deep, sad misunderstanding.
• 47:39
  Yeah, okay, let's just destroy that one right
• 47:42
  now. Because even saying cambo and poison in
• 47:45
  the same sentence makes me feel icky, you know?
• 47:49
  So many people think cambo is a poison with this
• 47:53
  intense purge. So from a physiological perspective,
• 47:58
  what is actually happening during the body when
• 48:01
  the cambo is applied? Simply put, peptide signaling.
• 48:08
  This secretion in Cambo, there's about 27, 30,
• 48:12
  people argue about the numbers all the time,
• 48:13
  different kind of peptides. And all a peptide
• 48:16
  is, it's a chain of amino acids. 50 or less is
• 48:23
  a peptide. 50 or more, or 100 more, depending
• 48:26
  on who you ask, is a protein. And all a peptide
• 48:30
  is doing, it's kind of like pressing a button.
• 48:33
  in our cellular biology or maybe like a key it's
• 48:37
  a key that's going into a lock it's turning the
• 48:39
  lock and then it's stimulating a function in
• 48:41
  the body so these peptides that so what you see
• 48:45
  the reactions you see so you see um a flushing
• 48:50
  a heat sensation sometimes the heart starts pounding
• 48:52
  really fast because what's happening veins are
• 48:55
  opening up because Campbell's pressing one of
• 48:58
  those buttons hey veins open up the heart starts
• 49:00
  pounding the head flushes you feel pounding in
• 49:04
  the head, flushing. Then nausea comes and the
• 49:08
  blood pressure drops. All of this are peptides.
• 49:12
  Phylomeducin causes blood pressure to drop. Then
• 49:15
  we have gastric juice secretion. So the liver
• 49:18
  and the gallbladder are dumping bile into the
• 49:20
  stomach. Part of the detox is that bile being
• 49:23
  dumped into the stomach because bile does carry
• 49:25
  mycotoxins, heavy metals, excess hormones like
• 49:29
  estrogen, and that's going into the stomach.
• 49:31
  So you're kind of getting this like oil change
• 49:33
  for your body. And because Campbell's telling
• 49:37
  your body to do that, it's like, hey, dump your
• 49:39
  bile. Hey, get sweaty, get hot. Hey, it starts
• 49:43
  to move, contract the bowels because it's telling
• 49:47
  your body to like, let that shit go. So you might
• 49:49
  have a bowel movement. There's some purgative
• 49:52
  ones where you have the urge to purge. And this
• 49:56
  is all happening because your camel's telling
• 49:58
  your body to do it versus like being poisoned
• 50:01
  where your body's like, oh shit, get this out.
• 50:03
  Like alcohol poisoning, or if you've ever had
• 50:05
  like a parasite or bacteria. you know, all of
• 50:08
  a sudden you have the poops. And it's because
• 50:10
  the body's like, get this out. Where it's very
• 50:12
  different with Cambo. Cambo is instructing your
• 50:15
  body to do this. And, you know, the funny part
• 50:19
  here, like the cosmic joke here is that the same
• 50:23
  peptides that are causing you to vomit have some
• 50:26
  really... medicinal benefits so you know phylocerulin
• 50:31
  for example it's really it's involved with pain
• 50:34
  so we have like what's called a nociception in
• 50:38
  the body so this is our ability to perceive threat
• 50:41
  like hot cold burning fire and sometimes people
• 50:45
  in chronic pain their nociceptors are just like
• 50:48
  overreactive so you take cambo And the peptide
• 50:52
  that causes you to puke actually helps reset
• 50:54
  your nociception. So now all of a sudden, this
• 50:57
  like pain you had was just hypervigilance and
• 51:00
  the body is reset. And it's like, wow, I'm not
• 51:03
  in pain anymore because that was just phantom
• 51:05
  pain. So there's these examples of Cambo helping.
• 51:10
  reduce pain, modulate the immune system. So helping
• 51:14
  your immune system become more intelligent of
• 51:16
  what is friend and what is foe. Really important
• 51:19
  for autoimmune conditions. There's dermiseptin,
• 51:22
  which is attacking these parasites, the biofilms
• 51:25
  around parasites and bacteria and candida. It's
• 51:29
  balancing neurotransmitters. So it's really helpful
• 51:32
  for mood regulation, balancing serotonin and
• 51:34
  dopamine. There's ones that are... 50 to a thousand
• 51:40
  times stronger than morphine and it's like a
• 51:43
  big ratio depending on what Animal they're studying
• 51:46
  because it's done in animals, but it's shown
• 51:49
  to outperform morphine so We have these incredible
• 51:54
  medicinal properties that are also affecting
• 51:57
  us on a genetic level they can Influence how
• 52:01
  our genes are expressing If we're down -regulating
• 52:04
  inflammations or we have cancer genes turned
• 52:06
  on, it can flip things on to help bring the body
• 52:09
  back to this optimal baseline of function and
• 52:13
  well -being. So yeah, it's kind of like we have
• 52:17
  to suffer a little bit for 20 minutes in that
• 52:21
  dysregulation, in that purge, to receive those
• 52:23
  deeply medicinal properties. So in the end, it's
• 52:27
  like it's the farthest thing from poison. And
• 52:29
  people who often are like, why would I do that?
• 52:32
  Why would I take frog poison? And then they're
• 52:34
  like drinking some wine, which is a carcinogen.
• 52:37
  Alcohol is a carcinogen or like smoking their
• 52:39
  vape. It's like you kind of have to let's redefine
• 52:44
  poison here. Yeah, I think that's like a really.
• 52:50
  fun aspect as well of cambo is just the purge
• 52:53
  for people who like aren't around the plant medicine
• 52:55
  world and like you said it's like everyone's
• 52:57
  at least like westerners you know like their
• 53:00
  experience with vomiting is like alcohol poisoning
• 53:03
  you know that's what they associate the two with
• 53:06
  it's like it's not like a cleaning process that
• 53:10
  the body does you know so like coming with that
• 53:12
  intention is so important as well yeah that was
• 53:16
  an awesome breakdown Yeah, I mean, we can dive
• 53:19
  deeper into some other peptides. But the funny
• 53:23
  thing with like, I wanted to piggyback on your
• 53:25
  share there with vomiting. I was at my acupuncturist
• 53:29
  getting acupuncture and she sees all these burn
• 53:32
  marks. So I have a lot on my back. And she goes,
• 53:35
  what are what are these things? And I go, oh,
• 53:37
  Cambo. And she goes, what's Cambo? And I wish
• 53:42
  I could do her accent. She's this tiny little
• 53:44
  like 90 pound Chinese woman in her 60s. i'm like
• 53:48
  oh you know it's like it's frog secretion and
• 53:51
  it makes you purge and vomit and clear detoxes
• 53:55
  the system and kind of have like a a language
• 53:57
  barrier right she goes oh yes purging or puking
• 54:01
  gets rid of evil qi we have herbs for that exactly
• 54:05
  right exactly yeah i was like great getting rid
• 54:10
  of evil qi and then the cool thing with that
• 54:13
  was in the tribes the traditional um One of the
• 54:17
  belief systems that Campbell gets rid of panema,
• 54:20
  which is dark, dense energy in the body that
• 54:23
  causes disease and laziness and depression, all
• 54:28
  these like mental health issues that we see.
• 54:32
  They think it's like their idea is that panema
• 54:34
  is dense energy. So evil chi and panema, you
• 54:38
  know, whatever we believe in, it seems to be
• 54:41
  like cultures across the globe have a different
• 54:44
  understanding of. yeah, these subtle energies
• 54:47
  and how to work with them to create well -being.
• 54:49
  So cambo helps to clear out and then acupuncture
• 54:52
  also helps to improve the flow of qi. So it was
• 54:55
  really neat in that moment to see the overlap.
• 54:59
  For sure. And it's kind of acupuncture -esque,
• 55:02
  you know, with like nice little points. And we
• 55:05
  can actually work with the acupressure or acupuncture
• 55:09
  points with cambo. That's one way of working
• 55:13
  with it. Yeah. I mean, I would love to dive into
• 55:16
  that. Like, you know, I'm a little bit rogue
• 55:19
  where like, I haven't gone through like, you
• 55:22
  know, a training school, how I've like learned
• 55:25
  to work with the medicine. I mostly just like
• 55:27
  sat with people and then I had someone sort of
• 55:29
  teach me how to do it. And then I just went through
• 55:31
  like a stick on myself in the span of like two
• 55:34
  weeks. And then I was like, okay, I'm like, I
• 55:36
  got a good flow here. Um, so Like just working
• 55:42
  with the spirit directly more or less, you know,
• 55:44
  and just making sure no one gets hurt with like,
• 55:47
  you know, just the water levels and all of this.
• 55:50
  Because like, Canva was funny, you know, like
• 55:53
  when my mom started to work out the world and
• 55:57
  the path that I'm walking, it was like LSD. It
• 55:59
  was like, okay, you know. do your thing. Mushrooms,
• 56:01
  it's like, okay, do your thing. It's like, ayahuasca,
• 56:03
  do your thing, you know? And then I was back
• 56:06
  in Sydney and she saw the points on me. She was
• 56:08
  like, what's that? I was like, it's cambo. She's
• 56:10
  like, oh my God, I can't believe you did that.
• 56:12
  Like, that's the one. People die doing that,
• 56:14
  you know? And so like, what are some of the,
• 56:19
  why is there cases of like people running into
• 56:25
  serious issues from your perspective? Say malpractice
• 56:30
  and not understanding the nuances of the medicine
• 56:34
  and sometimes honestly spiritual ego sometimes
• 56:37
  people are like all the medicine told me to do
• 56:40
  this and When they're not actually clearly seeing
• 56:45
  what's happening in the body due to the peptide
• 56:47
  activity Like and and but the two most dangerous
• 56:53
  things I say is water, right? People are drinking
• 56:57
  way too much water, five liters, four liters.
• 56:59
  It's like maximum three liters, maximum three
• 57:02
  liters that you're drinking. Any more than that,
• 57:05
  and you can go into hyponatremia. You're flushing
• 57:08
  out the electrolytes in the body, the brain cells
• 57:10
  swell, and you go into a coma. And you die, basically,
• 57:17
  if you don't catch it. You go into a coma and
• 57:18
  you die. And catching the early stages of it
• 57:21
  can be really helpful because the first... the
• 57:25
  person starts to feel a bit disoriented or aggressive
• 57:29
  or violent. And all of a sudden you can just
• 57:32
  be like, oh yeah, they're just purging anger
• 57:33
  or like purging an entity. It's like, no, this
• 57:35
  person's brain is swelling. You got to get them
• 57:38
  to the hospital. So I'd say hyponatremia, people
• 57:42
  not understanding that you just can't drink copious
• 57:44
  amounts of water. And also... understanding the
• 57:48
  contraindicators. So people who don't think that
• 57:51
  it's just for everybody, you know, it's not with
• 57:54
  people who've had strokes or aneurysms or blood
• 57:56
  clots. It's not for people who are going through
• 58:00
  chemotherapy or who have heart conditions where
• 58:03
  they can't do cardio or Ehlers -Danlos syndromes
• 58:06
  or Addison's disease, right? There's all these
• 58:07
  like really nuanced things or even certain medications
• 58:11
  are really actually quite... not are nuanced
• 58:15
  as well, but quite safe with cambo. Um, but again,
• 58:19
  it's worth understanding like the physiology
• 58:22
  of what's happening physically in the body with
• 58:24
  these peptides. So you can, and then understanding
• 58:26
  a person's health condition. And this is requires
• 58:29
  a little bit of like a medical background. All
• 58:32
  right. And, or even a detox background. Um, Too
• 58:36
  much cambo at once can really damage a system
• 58:39
  if the person is overwhelmed with, you know,
• 58:41
  inflammation, toxicity, infection and nervous
• 58:44
  system dysregulation. You can really just like
• 58:46
  throw gasoline on the fire and throw them and
• 58:48
  spiral them off into more inflammation and more
• 58:52
  die off. So I'd say like working with those nuanced
• 58:56
  conditions, you can cause a bit of damage. And
• 58:58
  the only place in the world right now where it's
• 59:03
  illegal is Australia. We still don't know what
• 59:07
  happened, but somebody died, and it's suspected
• 59:09
  that they had a contraindication, a heart condition.
• 59:13
  The papers were never released from the coroner
• 59:17
  of what the actual cause of death was, but there
• 59:20
  was a suspicion of, yeah, an undiagnosed or unrevealed
• 59:28
  heart condition. In my perspective, like Cambo
• 59:32
  is actually really safe when done appropriately
• 59:35
  through screening and then a person understands.
• 59:39
  Yeah. water guidelines or also how to support
• 59:42
  somebody in their purge because you can faint
• 59:44
  and that's really common too because blood pressure
• 59:47
  drops rapidly due to multiple peptides acting
• 59:50
  on blood pressure at the same time and catching
• 59:53
  those symptoms person is going pale they're becoming
• 59:56
  really still and all of a sudden they're like
• 59:58
  nodding off and then also they have to go to
• 1:00:00
  the bathroom and they jump up and they want to
• 1:00:02
  go to the bathroom and you're like okay have
• 1:00:04
  fun in the bathroom and then halfway across the
• 1:00:06
  room they fall over and smack their head on the
• 1:00:08
  wall it's like you gotta you gotta be aware of
• 1:00:11
  you know what's happening when in a cambo ceremony
• 1:00:14
  what peptides are doing what and really support
• 1:00:17
  somebody safely so i think that's that yeah i
• 1:00:25
  mean when the off switch gets flicked it's so
• 1:00:28
  wild i almost see it like You have to like reset
• 1:00:34
  the computer to install updates. You know, people
• 1:00:37
  just go on. It's bizarre. It's bizarre, but it's
• 1:00:43
  also beautiful. Yeah, it's like the brain shuts
• 1:00:45
  off to regulate blood pressure. So physically,
• 1:00:48
  that's what's happening. It's just like, boop.
• 1:00:49
  And then they wake up three seconds, four or
• 1:00:53
  five seconds later. If it's a minute. that's
• 1:00:56
  actually hey hey their blood pressure has gone
• 1:00:58
  so low this is dangerous right now like we actually
• 1:01:01
  have to probably call an ambulance right so again
• 1:01:03
  there's like these little nuances of like how
• 1:01:06
  low is their blood pressure and how can we help
• 1:01:08
  them raise their blood pressure after is it salt
• 1:01:10
  is it licorice tea is it elevating their legs
• 1:01:12
  um so there's a bit of first first aid involved
• 1:01:15
  as well um but that but from that spiritual perspective
• 1:01:20
  because cambo you know There's very much a scientific
• 1:01:23
  perspective and then spirit is up for interpretation
• 1:01:26
  depending on our own lens of reality. And there
• 1:01:31
  is this nuanced effect of when people pass out.
• 1:01:34
  Yeah. Some say that like the conscious mind just
• 1:01:37
  doesn't want to see what's going to come up.
• 1:01:39
  So it goes, I'm not going to look. And then when
• 1:01:42
  they wake up, the purge comes. So with. Yeah.
• 1:01:48
  And so take that with a grain of salt if you
• 1:01:49
  believe that or not, or if it's just a blood
• 1:01:52
  pressure thing. I mean, I even find that with
• 1:01:55
  ayahuasca too, where sometimes the purge will
• 1:01:57
  be coming up and like, she almost like can give
• 1:02:01
  you an out sometimes. And she'd be like, look
• 1:02:03
  at this beautiful thing over there. And you're
• 1:02:05
  like, oh, what's that? You know? And it's like,
• 1:02:06
  while she's distracting you with this, she's
• 1:02:09
  like working on something, you know? so it makes
• 1:02:12
  sense that cambo has its own kind of way of doing
• 1:02:14
  that because obviously there's no visual way
• 1:02:16
  to distract the person so it's either like you're
• 1:02:18
  in or you're out you know yeah and it's and it's
• 1:02:23
  and it sounds scary but it's actually quite peaceful
• 1:02:25
  people pass out and they don't even realize it
• 1:02:28
  they just kind of get really still and very quiet
• 1:02:31
  and they just start like Fallen is free. And
• 1:02:35
  sometimes, most often, people don't, they wake
• 1:02:38
  up and they don't even realize it happened. I'm
• 1:02:39
  sitting, you know, beside them, maybe holding
• 1:02:41
  their head or I've placed them on their side
• 1:02:43
  and they're like, oh, hi. What's up? I'm like,
• 1:02:47
  hi. I don't even say welcome back. I just, hi.
• 1:02:52
  You good? Okay. Yeah. So, okay. So with like
• 1:02:59
  this growing interest, it seems like Cambo is
• 1:03:01
  coming a bit of a social phenomenon now. You
• 1:03:05
  know, everyone wants to do Cambo and especially
• 1:03:08
  with like lots of talk around benefits for chronic
• 1:03:12
  conditions and inflammation and nervous system
• 1:03:14
  dysregulation. What have you observed in how
• 1:03:17
  different bodies respond? Yeah. And this is where.
• 1:03:25
  There's this like mystery piece to Cambo, even
• 1:03:28
  when it comes to how many points you're going
• 1:03:30
  to do. It's not dependent on body size. Sometimes
• 1:03:35
  I get, you know, a large, you know, six foot
• 1:03:39
  five guy, pure muscle. He needs two points and
• 1:03:43
  he's retching. And then I have this, you know,
• 1:03:46
  little girl to the side. She's 100 pounds and
• 1:03:49
  she's like, no, I'm really sensitive. And she's
• 1:03:52
  at five points. So there's sometimes there's
• 1:03:56
  no rhyme and reason. And some people will purge.
• 1:04:00
  It's a purgative. There's peptides in there that
• 1:04:02
  make you puke. But some people never puke. And
• 1:04:06
  that's something I want to speak to is regardless
• 1:04:08
  if you puke or not, it's working. The peptides
• 1:04:11
  are in there. You're getting the dose that you
• 1:04:14
  need because this is where, yeah. Our ego doesn't
• 1:04:18
  like not knowing what's happening, but there's
• 1:04:20
  something under the surface that's happening.
• 1:04:21
  Like we're inviting the consciousness of a frog
• 1:04:24
  into our system, into our body. They speak the
• 1:04:27
  same language. It's got these peptides that are
• 1:04:29
  speaking the language of our body. It's going
• 1:04:32
  in, doing its thing. And sometimes people puke,
• 1:04:35
  sometimes people don't. And it's working regardless.
• 1:04:38
  It's not about the puke. And so yeah, some people
• 1:04:43
  purge, some people don't. And then... Where I
• 1:04:46
  do see where we need nuanced custom designed
• 1:04:49
  or custom tailored application is people who
• 1:04:52
  have some sort of chronic condition or like PTSD,
• 1:04:57
  because when we have a chronic illness, there's
• 1:05:00
  four things happening, right? There is nervous
• 1:05:03
  system dysregulation from unprocessed trauma
• 1:05:05
  or energy, or there's some sort of repression
• 1:05:08
  or suppression of energy in the system that's
• 1:05:10
  causing dysregulation. And that causes inflammation
• 1:05:13
  and it has like this domino effect. And then
• 1:05:18
  we also have toxicity, like we mentioned, just
• 1:05:20
  through our own metabolism from day to day, but
• 1:05:23
  also the metabolism of these parasites, these
• 1:05:25
  infections. So those are the four things, you
• 1:05:27
  know, dysregulation, infection, toxicity, inflammation
• 1:05:30
  that I got to look at, at somebody who's considering
• 1:05:33
  to do Cambo. And if all those buckets are full
• 1:05:35
  or... then we have to take it slow because the
• 1:05:40
  immune system's already overloaded. And that's
• 1:05:44
  where die -off is going to be quite intense.
• 1:05:47
  Those are not red flags, but precursors of saying,
• 1:05:50
  okay, we actually should spend some more time
• 1:05:52
  preparing. So yeah, let's do some coffee enemas.
• 1:05:56
  Let's support the liver with alpha -lipoic acid
• 1:05:59
  and NAC and L -glutathione and get the lymphatic
• 1:06:01
  system moving. hydrate, like all these tools
• 1:06:04
  that we do to prepare the body for Cambo. Because
• 1:06:08
  the die -off can really floor some people. And
• 1:06:12
  even after a session, some people come out, bounce
• 1:06:16
  up after their nap, like, wow, I'm so ready.
• 1:06:18
  I'm so grounded. I'm so open. I'm so happy. Let's
• 1:06:21
  go. And then some people are like, oh my God,
• 1:06:24
  I just got to go sleep for another four hours.
• 1:06:27
  And they pass out and they wake up the next morning.
• 1:06:29
  So you really never know what you're going to
• 1:06:31
  get. But, you know, of course, in that intake,
• 1:06:35
  when I ask people about their health history,
• 1:06:37
  what's going on, I can I can maybe have clues
• 1:06:39
  to what to expect. But I never actually really
• 1:06:43
  know what's going to happen. Yeah. And that there's
• 1:06:48
  also a level of like just trust in the medicine,
• 1:06:51
  too. Right. It's just like Cambo knows, you know,
• 1:06:56
  like if everything's kind of done right, it's
• 1:06:59
  like Cambo knows. Yeah. And then there's also
• 1:07:04
  like the consciousness piece. So, you know, when
• 1:07:08
  we're working with Campbell, sometimes people
• 1:07:10
  don't puke because they just didn't get enough
• 1:07:11
  peptides. Their tolerance is higher. Maybe sometimes
• 1:07:18
  someone's not purging because they're really
• 1:07:19
  clamped down. Their protectors are online and
• 1:07:22
  they're like, ah, not letting go. And people
• 1:07:24
  who are quite guarded or I noticed people who
• 1:07:27
  are very intellectual, they use their mind to
• 1:07:29
  avoid feeling. clamped down harder and they often
• 1:07:32
  need more cambo because they're like they're
• 1:07:34
  fighting it um so cambo can can be in an experience
• 1:07:38
  of showing us our patterns our patterns in our
• 1:07:42
  consciousness um if we choose to meet cambo in
• 1:07:46
  that way versus just seeing it as a puke and
• 1:07:49
  this is what i weave into my work as well it's
• 1:07:52
  like yeah it's it's a purge but we're also you're
• 1:07:56
  revealing yourself to yourself everywhere you
• 1:07:59
  go and everything you do. So how you do one thing,
• 1:08:01
  you do everything. So how we sit with camos,
• 1:08:05
  some people really fight, fight it, or some people
• 1:08:07
  really easily surrender to it. Some people are
• 1:08:10
  just constantly wanting it to be over or trying
• 1:08:12
  to control it. So it's kind of like showing us,
• 1:08:14
  okay, like how do these patterns show up in your
• 1:08:18
  life? Can you sit in the file? Yeah. And to be
• 1:08:28
  fair, it's not all bad either. I've definitely
• 1:08:32
  had ceremonies that were quite euphoric at times.
• 1:08:36
  But it's also just 20 minutes. You can do anything
• 1:08:40
  for 20 minutes. Yeah, I call that the Cambo kiss.
• 1:08:44
  I've gotten that once in my life where no amount
• 1:08:47
  of Cambo. I was like, but I want to puke. I need
• 1:08:50
  a good purge. And I'm looking at my teacher.
• 1:08:53
  It was in advanced training. And I was like,
• 1:08:56
  give me more. And she put more on. And I was
• 1:08:58
  like, I still just feel happy. Like, give me
• 1:08:59
  more. And in those moments, I was like, but I
• 1:09:03
  want to. I want a few. And sometimes people are
• 1:09:06
  like, what am I doing wrong? It's like, no, no,
• 1:09:07
  you just get the kiss right now. And that's where
• 1:09:09
  we can trust Cambo. Sometimes when we're like,
• 1:09:12
  life is just really hard. And we come to Cambo
• 1:09:16
  because it does help with creating greater capacity
• 1:09:19
  for life. Like, this is one thing I love about
• 1:09:21
  Cambo is like, you don't have to have your shit
• 1:09:22
  together. You don't need to do this like. To
• 1:09:25
  have all your ducks in a row, you can actually
• 1:09:27
  come when everything's falling apart. That's
• 1:09:28
  one of the traditional ways to sit with Cambo,
• 1:09:31
  actually, is when everything's falling apart
• 1:09:32
  and going to shit. It's like clearly you're not
• 1:09:35
  in harmony, like something's rearranging itself
• 1:09:37
  and we need integration. Come sit with Cambo.
• 1:09:41
  It's an intense experience, but again, those
• 1:09:42
  peptides are going to bring greater regulation
• 1:09:44
  and clarity so that you're not in fight or flight
• 1:09:47
  and you rest and digest and you have clarity
• 1:09:49
  to move forward. But I find that in those moments
• 1:09:53
  of intense, when life is intense, Cambo comes
• 1:09:55
  in softer. It's gentle. One woman, I watched
• 1:10:00
  her have an orgasm. She was like, this is amazing.
• 1:10:02
  I love Cambo. It's like, well, you have. We're
• 1:10:06
  Cambo. Come on. And then, you know, other times
• 1:10:11
  you come to Cambo and you're like, yeah, I'm
• 1:10:13
  like, I'm so like, like, life is so good right
• 1:10:16
  now. I'm so solid. I got this. And it just. tears
• 1:10:20
  you apart and gives you the most intense experience
• 1:10:22
  because you're ready for it. So I want to say
• 1:10:25
  that cambo has a bit of a sense of humor in that,
• 1:10:27
  in that way. Absolutely. Absolutely. And like,
• 1:10:33
  this is like, it's real spirit medicine, you
• 1:10:36
  know, like cambo has a spirit. It is, although
• 1:10:38
  it is peptides, it's also not, you know, it does
• 1:10:41
  have a sense of humor to it. Thousand percent.
• 1:10:44
  Yeah. And like, oddly enough, like here in the
• 1:10:48
  West, Most practitioners will bring in ritual
• 1:10:50
  or ceremony to it. Some people will do it more
• 1:10:53
  clinical. But traditionally in the jungle, it's
• 1:10:56
  not a shamanic medicine. It's not ritualistic.
• 1:11:00
  There isn't, you know, an opening of space and
• 1:11:03
  calling in the protectors or, you know, when
• 1:11:05
  I've sat with Aya with the Yawanawa and their
• 1:11:08
  ayahuasca ceremonies were extravagant. The opening
• 1:11:11
  prayers are 45 minutes long. There's dancing,
• 1:11:14
  there's songs, right? There's like a chief or
• 1:11:17
  the... holding space it's it's big it's big energy
• 1:11:22
  cambo uh it was the kids that took us and they
• 1:11:25
  took us to harvest the medicine and yeah it was
• 1:11:29
  the chief's son i think he was like 14 or 15
• 1:11:31
  and then they served us the medicine and it was
• 1:11:33
  like okay come here you know get get a burn drink
• 1:11:37
  your kaisuma here put the slime on and then like
• 1:11:39
  we're at the on the side of the river there was
• 1:11:41
  like no preparation no nothing people are puking
• 1:11:45
  i have this like I was having a bottom purge
• 1:11:47
  and there's so many bugs in the Amazon, like
• 1:11:50
  in the jungle. There's just so many bugs that
• 1:11:52
  want to eat you constantly. So I'm trying to
• 1:11:55
  like cover like a scarf around me to give myself
• 1:11:58
  some privacy while I'm on the side of the river
• 1:12:00
  and also protection from these bugs. And there's
• 1:12:02
  like this little cute little four -year -old
• 1:12:04
  just fanning me. He's got a fan and he's just
• 1:12:06
  like smiling at me like, ah, and I'm just like
• 1:12:10
  disheveled and sweating and just like, oh my
• 1:12:12
  God, I could stop. And then I look over and my...
• 1:12:16
  One of my friends is having a really hard time,
• 1:12:18
  like almost like a panic attack. Like it's so
• 1:12:21
  intense for her. And what do they do? They take
• 1:12:23
  her and they just throw her in the river. And
• 1:12:26
  she's nearly drowning. And we come out after
• 1:12:30
  this and she's like, what the fuck was that?
• 1:12:33
  Never doing that again. And I'm laughing. I'm
• 1:12:38
  like. that's the chemical experience for you.
• 1:12:40
  I'm like, if you want your, your mat and your
• 1:12:42
  toilet paper and your fuzzy blankets, like come
• 1:12:44
  to me, I give you a sound bath after with my
• 1:12:47
  crystal bowls. I'm trauma informed, right? It's,
• 1:12:50
  it's a softer experience here where down there
• 1:12:53
  it's kind of like a barbecue or you're just doing
• 1:12:56
  it casually. And sometimes it's just in, in the
• 1:12:58
  family living room and people are just like laughing
• 1:13:01
  and joking and, you know, like I'm celebrating
• 1:13:05
  you, but it's not this like. intense spiritual,
• 1:13:08
  like, ceremony. I'll say, except, um, the Matsis
• 1:13:15
  tribe, because I do want to speak to the traditional
• 1:13:18
  uses and the tribes, so... cambo comes from the
• 1:13:21
  amazon and there's many tribes that work with
• 1:13:23
  them work with cambo and matsi's tribe is the
• 1:13:26
  unique tribe that only works with cambo it doesn't
• 1:13:29
  work with ayahuasca doesn't work with any visionary
• 1:13:31
  plants like so they do hold cambo in a more of
• 1:13:34
  a ceremonial ritualistic way but the other tribes
• 1:13:38
  um tends to be a little more casual yeah interesting
• 1:13:42
  i mean I haven't like done this myself, but I
• 1:13:46
  know some of like the Peruvian tribes, they don't
• 1:13:48
  even drink water. It's all dry. I haven't done
• 1:13:53
  that, but I know it's extremely uncomfortable.
• 1:13:57
  Yeah, it's like. And and I've heard also that
• 1:14:03
  it's I mean, it's such a different experience.
• 1:14:05
  It's more of an internal experience, something
• 1:14:07
  an emotional experience. Whereas the water makes
• 1:14:12
  it more of a physical experience, but I'm just
• 1:14:15
  speaking from hearsay here, so I can't really
• 1:14:16
  comment on it directly. Interesting. Yeah. So
• 1:14:21
  something that I did for a long time was help
• 1:14:24
  people through the microdosing process. And something
• 1:14:29
  that I would come up against all the time is
• 1:14:31
  people taking SSRIs. And although it can be helpful,
• 1:14:36
  particularly more on the tail end of the taper,
• 1:14:39
  like once they're... kind of clear off the medicine
• 1:14:42
  to rebalance everything it isn't something that
• 1:14:45
  really jives well at all because they're competing
• 1:14:49
  for the same receptors in the brain and it has
• 1:14:52
  like a massive dulling effect and people aren't
• 1:14:56
  getting the the benefits that they would like
• 1:14:59
  hope to see you know so they often don't see
• 1:15:01
  it through either so i'm curious like how cambo
• 1:15:05
  can help with like the tapering process of different
• 1:15:07
  things like that and any contraindications Mm
• 1:15:11
  hmm. Yeah. So as an advanced practitioner, I
• 1:15:13
  learned a way of working with Cambo that helps
• 1:15:16
  assist the actual tapering process so that there's
• 1:15:20
  no withdrawal symptoms. There's some sort of
• 1:15:24
  I still we still don't know to this day how it's
• 1:15:26
  working either because Cambo flushes things out
• 1:15:29
  of the system. So if you're on medication, it
• 1:15:32
  has the ability essentially to flush it out of
• 1:15:34
  the body. And. also with how the opiate -like
• 1:15:40
  peptides in Cambo work to create mood stability,
• 1:15:44
  regulation, how they affect the HPA access. It's
• 1:15:49
  creating some sort of regulation so that when
• 1:15:52
  we're working to taper off, you can sit with
• 1:15:55
  Cambo and then essentially like half the dose
• 1:15:58
  in overnight. And I've seen people, yeah, so
• 1:16:03
  I've seen people come off of Like my best, it's
• 1:16:09
  not my best, but the most epic transformation
• 1:16:12
  story is this woman came and she wanted to do
• 1:16:14
  a deep dive journey with mushrooms, but she could
• 1:16:18
  take five grams and it wouldn't work because
• 1:16:20
  she was on antidepressants, SSRIs for 15 plus
• 1:16:23
  years. She was on 375 milligrams of Effexor,
• 1:16:27
  which is like, is a massive dose. And she just
• 1:16:30
  wasn't. you know, didn't want to do it anymore.
• 1:16:32
  She wanted to address her trauma. And so she
• 1:16:34
  came for Cambo and we got her off in 25 days,
• 1:16:38
  which is unheard of. Wow. Usually you have to
• 1:16:43
  go down by 10 % and then you'll get nauseous
• 1:16:45
  and get brain zaps and vomit. If you taper too
• 1:16:48
  fast without Cambo, like it's incredibly dysregulating,
• 1:16:52
  brain zaps, insomnia, panic attacks, vomiting.
• 1:16:55
  And with Cambo, nothing. And she was a great
• 1:16:59
  case study because I told her, I was like, do
• 1:17:01
  not type taper without Cambo. And she's like,
• 1:17:04
  OK. So we had two sessions and she was like,
• 1:17:07
  I feel great. I feel regulated. I feel stable.
• 1:17:10
  And then she tried to taper without it and messages
• 1:17:16
  me. She's like, I've been so sick. I'm vomiting.
• 1:17:18
  I'm puking. And I'm like, girl, I was like, I
• 1:17:21
  told you don't do it. Like, you can't just stop
• 1:17:23
  taking these medications. So she came back and
• 1:17:25
  she's like, OK, you're right. She didn't want
• 1:17:28
  to believe that it was Cambo. Like, OK, you're
• 1:17:30
  right. Yeah, OK. It's it's actually Cambo that's
• 1:17:33
  helping. And so it was such a great example of
• 1:17:36
  like what the journey is like with or without.
• 1:17:39
  And yeah, and to date, there's been a number
• 1:17:41
  of people who've come off. And it's really exciting
• 1:17:45
  for me because right now the medical system and
• 1:17:48
  the health mental health care system doesn't
• 1:17:49
  have a solution for the people who choose to
• 1:17:52
  come off. And this is to say, like, not that,
• 1:17:54
  you know. or terrible medications or to shame
• 1:17:56
  anybody who's on them because it has saved so
• 1:17:58
  many people's lives and it works for a lot of
• 1:18:00
  people. But for some people, it stopped working
• 1:18:02
  or it doesn't work or it makes them feel so numb
• 1:18:04
  and disconnected. They want to feel alive again
• 1:18:06
  and there's no solution. It's like, okay, well,
• 1:18:09
  good luck. So, yeah, I really like to bring this
• 1:18:15
  to life. And there's usually not a lot of guidance
• 1:18:19
  either. Like when I've had clients who've gone,
• 1:18:22
  I'd be like, speak to your doctor about tapering.
• 1:18:24
  And they were just like, yeah, just like, you
• 1:18:26
  know, when you're ready, just kind of stop taking
• 1:18:29
  it. And it's like, what the fuck? You know? Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  Take 10%. Yeah, they say 10%. Only come down
• 1:18:37
  10 % at a time until you find your new baseline.
• 1:18:39
  But even then it can be really dysregulating
• 1:18:41
  10 % at a time. For sure. And it's like four
• 1:18:44
  weeks. Like to re -equalize to whatever the drop
• 1:18:48
  was is a four -week process. So you're going
• 1:18:52
  down 10 %? It's like over a year. Yeah. So it's
• 1:18:56
  a long time and there's a solution. So I'm really
• 1:19:01
  excited to share about that. And I've also seen
• 1:19:03
  the same thing with opiates. So people who have
• 1:19:07
  an injury, right, then they're put on... What's
• 1:19:11
  it? Diflucan? Diflucan or whatnot? The name of
• 1:19:14
  that opiate. But anyway, they're put on like
• 1:19:16
  an opiate painkiller and then now their body
• 1:19:18
  is addicted and they have to. One of my clients,
• 1:19:21
  like that's what happened to me. He had a busted
• 1:19:23
  knee and he became dependent on it. And then
• 1:19:25
  the doctor, the clinic like ran out of the opiate.
• 1:19:28
  So then he had to take, what's that terrible
• 1:19:32
  thing that's in cocaine these days? It's like
• 1:19:33
  laced. Fentanyl. Yeah, fentanyl. So he started
• 1:19:36
  taking fentanyl because he couldn't get access
• 1:19:38
  to his regular opiates. And I'm like, oh, my
• 1:19:41
  God, like this is a medical health care system
• 1:19:44
  that we're on. And so I've seen I've helped people
• 1:19:47
  come off opiates as well with no withdrawal symptoms.
• 1:19:50
  It's like when I've asked, you know, like my
• 1:19:54
  peers, like, how do you think this is happening?
• 1:19:56
  Because some other Canva practitioners don't
• 1:19:57
  touch opiates and they don't touch SSRIs. But
• 1:20:00
  I've trained them this way. And it's like we
• 1:20:03
  still don't really know what. peptides are doing
• 1:20:06
  in the body because they're all studied, like
• 1:20:09
  isolated in a Petri dish. But we're not a Petri
• 1:20:13
  dish and they're not isolated. They come in all
• 1:20:15
  at once and they all cause like a cascade effect.
• 1:20:17
  So, you know, I've listed some of these benefits
• 1:20:21
  of what a peptide does, but because it stimulates
• 1:20:25
  one function, that one function can stimulate
• 1:20:27
  five other things. And so honestly, like most...
• 1:20:31
  of us practitioners have no idea what's going
• 1:20:33
  on. We're just saying what we know about these
• 1:20:37
  peptides, but we really don't know. The science
• 1:20:39
  isn't there. It's anecdotal evidence. Yeah, so
• 1:20:44
  we're still like, what's it called? The wild,
• 1:20:46
  wild west of cambo right now. I mean, I feel
• 1:20:49
  like the medicine path is a little bit like that,
• 1:20:51
  you know, where the magic itself is irrational
• 1:20:55
  in its very nature. You know? And the same with
• 1:21:00
  like the psilocybin too. There's like, there's
• 1:21:01
  dozens of alkaloids, you know, in the mushrooms.
• 1:21:05
  It's not just psilocybin. Yeah. There's so much
• 1:21:08
  more. Yeah. And you know, one thing I did want
• 1:21:11
  to say that we're on the topic of tapering because
• 1:21:13
  it, it's on one hand, yes, it can be easy physically,
• 1:21:18
  but emotionally, like when we start to, because
• 1:21:22
  an antidepressant like suppresses. emotional
• 1:21:25
  emotion right and all of a sudden that suppressor
• 1:21:28
  isn't there anymore and also the gate can open
• 1:21:30
  to all these feelings emotions that have been
• 1:21:33
  repressed suppressed and even um past uh like
• 1:21:38
  childhood memories suppressed memories or painful
• 1:21:40
  past experiences will start to surface to come
• 1:21:43
  to the surface to be processed. So anybody who's
• 1:21:46
  considering tapering and working with camber
• 1:21:49
  or in whatever way is like, I highly recommend
• 1:21:51
  having a psychotherapist or somebody who's, who's
• 1:21:54
  trained, um, to help you with the material that
• 1:21:57
  might surface because, you know, that's one of
• 1:21:59
  the reasons depression was potentially there
• 1:22:02
  in the first place is like the nervous, just
• 1:22:04
  something happened to dysregulate the nervous
• 1:22:06
  system. And, you know, that stuff still has to
• 1:22:09
  be processed. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think
• 1:22:13
  that's why the withdrawals are usually so hard.
• 1:22:16
  Like you said, like you open the floodgates of,
• 1:22:18
  you know, years of lack of emotional processing
• 1:22:22
  to some degree. So like, man, I have like the
• 1:22:26
  people who do it, you know, especially who have
• 1:22:28
  like, you know, come like tape it off 10 plus
• 1:22:31
  years. Like they're brave. There's like serious
• 1:22:36
  courage to like do that because it is not an
• 1:22:38
  easy process by any means. But it's amazing that
• 1:22:42
  Cambo like can really help with like at least
• 1:22:44
  the physical withdrawal aspect of that. Yeah,
• 1:22:47
  physical and then also the mood stability, right?
• 1:22:50
  And so it's like if you're processing an intense
• 1:22:53
  emotion that is dysregulating, you can come to
• 1:22:56
  sit with Cambo to create that regulation so that
• 1:22:59
  you can be with the material in a more coherent
• 1:23:02
  way that doesn't derail you. So essentially like
• 1:23:05
  creating more capacity for what arises. A hundred
• 1:23:10
  percent. That was so beautifully said. So clean.
• 1:23:15
  So when we like, you know, so like, you know,
• 1:23:20
  ayahuasca is like the main path that I walk.
• 1:23:22
  And obviously we talk a lot about preparation
• 1:23:24
  and dieta leading into it. And I'm curious from
• 1:23:29
  your perspective, what like solid responsible
• 1:23:32
  preparation looks like for Cambo. And then as
• 1:23:35
  well as like the aftercare and the reintegration.
• 1:23:40
  Yeah, I want to say it is based on per person,
• 1:23:45
  right? If I have somebody who, yeah, who I want
• 1:23:52
  to give like an example. Yes, an alcoholic who
• 1:23:57
  is eating McDonald's and smoking. is going to
• 1:24:02
  be a very different preparation than somebody
• 1:24:04
  who has a yoga practice, sadhana yoga practice,
• 1:24:08
  who like hasn't touched alcohol in, you know,
• 1:24:10
  15 years or something, really looking at what
• 1:24:13
  the body first, like what the body needs for
• 1:24:15
  preparation. So I spoke to this before as like
• 1:24:18
  might be the liver or the detox pathways or the
• 1:24:21
  colon. But mostly it is quite a forgiving medicine.
• 1:24:26
  Like I can serve somebody who just did. you know,
• 1:24:29
  a recreational substance that earlier that week,
• 1:24:32
  you're just going to have a really challenge,
• 1:24:33
  might have a more challenging experience. So
• 1:24:35
  the rule of thumb is like, come as clean, as
• 1:24:39
  clean as possible. So clean out your diet. Don't
• 1:24:41
  introduce any new toxins, at least for the week
• 1:24:43
  coming up to your session. So this includes like
• 1:24:48
  healthy meats that are pasture raised, antibiotic
• 1:24:52
  free, clean water. Also drinking electrolytes.
• 1:24:59
  So being hydrated can actually help with the
• 1:25:01
  detox process the week of. And then I like to
• 1:25:05
  consider your intention. So why are you coming
• 1:25:08
  to Cambo? Some people are coming for the physical
• 1:25:10
  detox. So it's like, okay, well, the physical
• 1:25:12
  detox can start a week prior. If someone's coming
• 1:25:16
  to say like more of... a spiritual intention
• 1:25:21
  of connecting to their authentic self. That's
• 1:25:24
  a really popular one. People want to connect
• 1:25:26
  more deeply to their authentic self. And I'm
• 1:25:28
  like, okay, well, what does that mean? Maybe
• 1:25:31
  spend the week journaling about what your authentic
• 1:25:33
  self is or visualizing, you know, what life would
• 1:25:37
  be like if you're connected to your authentic
• 1:25:39
  self. synthetic self have a hobby okay maybe
• 1:25:44
  maybe it is painting it's something you haven't
• 1:25:46
  allowed yourself to do like go to the store and
• 1:25:47
  like go pick up the paints so there can be an
• 1:25:50
  integration preparation process that's much um
• 1:25:53
  more custom designed to your intention and when
• 1:25:58
  it comes to integration there's the physical
• 1:26:00
  component is like okay even though you've your
• 1:26:03
  camo experience is done but it's still in your
• 1:26:05
  body the after effects that like domino effect
• 1:26:08
  the cascading effect of peptides is still in
• 1:26:10
  your system. So treat this next week as a detox.
• 1:26:15
  So, you know, have an Epsom salt bath and continue
• 1:26:18
  drinking lots of water. This is a powerful time
• 1:26:20
  for microbial shifts, right? Because there's
• 1:26:22
  all these peptides in there that are going after
• 1:26:26
  the pathogen. So take some probiotics, remove
• 1:26:28
  processed sugars and grains and eat some prebiotics.
• 1:26:33
  Do some bone broth maybe for leaky gut. So it's
• 1:26:36
  a great time to... reset the gut and avoid sugar.
• 1:26:40
  And at the same time, what was your intention?
• 1:26:43
  Okay, if your intention was authentic self, what
• 1:26:46
  is one thing you can do this week to live your
• 1:26:48
  intention more fully, to embody your authentic
• 1:26:51
  self? Put it in your calendar and do it. And
• 1:26:54
  that's an integration piece that I have for all.
• 1:26:58
  All my practices, if it's breathwork or ayahuasca
• 1:27:00
  or mushrooms or bufo, whatever your intention
• 1:27:03
  is, there's something you can actively do that's
• 1:27:05
  practical that you can put into your calendar
• 1:27:07
  and do it because you have to meet the medicine
• 1:27:09
  there. You can't just expect your intentions
• 1:27:12
  to just manifest. Like, yes, that there's a passive
• 1:27:14
  way of working with these medicines, but we have
• 1:27:18
  to meet them there. We have to do the work too.
• 1:27:20
  And I think that's one of the ways of honoring
• 1:27:22
  these medicines, especially something like Cambo
• 1:27:25
  that comes from a living creature. Something
• 1:27:27
  is... You're literally taking something off of
• 1:27:28
  someone's back. And it's finite. It's not infinite.
• 1:27:33
  We don't just synthesize it. So really honoring
• 1:27:36
  the medicine, whatever medicine we're working
• 1:27:39
  with, is like doing what we can to embody and
• 1:27:44
  live our intentions. Yeah, 100%. I almost see
• 1:27:49
  like these medicines, how they work on our consciousness,
• 1:27:52
  you know? It's like... we introduce the medicines
• 1:27:56
  and then the consciousness kind of spikes up
• 1:27:58
  from where we're at and then it comes down it's
• 1:28:00
  like your job is to like pick how far down you
• 1:28:03
  go with your free will afterwards it's like as
• 1:28:06
  long as you're kind of making steps each time
• 1:28:09
  it's like then you're doing the medicine justice
• 1:28:12
  and you're like walking the path like you can't
• 1:28:15
  just like live a life of like darkness you know
• 1:28:19
  and then expect to work with the medicines and
• 1:28:22
  then walk out and be like i don't actually have
• 1:28:23
  to change anything it's like where you are in
• 1:28:26
  your life is because you're doing i like to bring
• 1:28:31
  it back to the patterns one of my that's um We
• 1:28:33
  work with pattern work in my, I want to say lineage,
• 1:28:36
  my teacher with Cambo International. We really
• 1:28:39
  work with patterns and observing the problematic
• 1:28:42
  patterns of human nature. And we are where we
• 1:28:45
  are because we're a conglomerate of patterns.
• 1:28:46
  And some of these patterns are creating the current
• 1:28:48
  conditions. And you will continue creating those
• 1:28:50
  current conditions unless you change your patterns
• 1:28:52
  or your behaviors. Where do patterns come from?
• 1:28:55
  They come from belief systems. Where do belief
• 1:28:57
  systems come from? mostly an experience we had
• 1:29:00
  when we're young and often they are painful,
• 1:29:02
  right? So I'm not good enough, right? Can come
• 1:29:05
  from whatever my childhood story upbringing was,
• 1:29:08
  right? Or I'm not safe. I'm not lovable. We share
• 1:29:11
  all of these like really simple belief systems
• 1:29:14
  that we have about life. And they're essentially
• 1:29:16
  like the laws of our life that inform pattern.
• 1:29:19
  So this is where we get to do that really deep
• 1:29:22
  consciousness alchemy where the pattern or the
• 1:29:27
  thing that we're trying to solve or change in
• 1:29:29
  our environment, day -to -day life, the roots
• 1:29:31
  go like so deep and we can excavate, excavate
• 1:29:34
  to really find like the root of that. And that's
• 1:29:37
  what I love about mushrooms and Aya for me, they
• 1:29:40
  help and Bufo, they get to the root of something
• 1:29:43
  to pull it. And then that like deep excavation,
• 1:29:47
  I've noticed sometimes the pattern just isn't
• 1:29:50
  there. And that's, that's like, one of those
• 1:29:52
  experiences like a blessing where it's like the
• 1:29:54
  integration is kind of like obsolete because
• 1:29:56
  it's like the impulse isn't even there. The pattern
• 1:29:58
  is just gone because I got to the root. So I
• 1:30:03
  wanted to voice that because, yeah, sometimes
• 1:30:04
  the integration really involves our like applied
• 1:30:08
  action. But sometimes I've seen it just in my
• 1:30:10
  own life and in my client's life. It's just like
• 1:30:12
  some deep alchemy just happened because things
• 1:30:16
  are different and you don't even have to try.
• 1:30:18
  Mm -hmm, mm -hmm. Yeah, I'd almost like attach
• 1:30:21
  those ones that like you don't have to try to
• 1:30:23
  more of like a energetic parasite or something
• 1:30:27
  like that that was just literally removed, you
• 1:30:29
  know? Like sometimes things leave and just like
• 1:30:32
  everything rebalances it just like a way nicer
• 1:30:35
  homeostasis. Yeah, yeah. It's like we're, I call
• 1:30:40
  it like reparenting, repatterning. So my view
• 1:30:44
  of, hmm. How do I describe this? So like we have
• 1:30:50
  these parts inside of us and sometimes they're
• 1:30:53
  frozen in time. And so maybe there's a part inside
• 1:30:55
  that was abused as a young child in some way.
• 1:31:01
  And they really just wanted to say no. They really
• 1:31:04
  wanted to say, no, get off. Fuck you. But they
• 1:31:06
  couldn't. So now that like part is frozen in
• 1:31:10
  our nervous system. And then an experience like
• 1:31:14
  a ayahuasca experience or mushroom experience
• 1:31:16
  brings us to that part. to that moment back in
• 1:31:19
  time in ourselves. And that's when we regress.
• 1:31:21
  And we're like, oh my God, I'm like five years
• 1:31:23
  old and I'm really scared. And there's that perpetrator.
• 1:31:26
  And like, we're reliving that memory. And all
• 1:31:28
  of a sudden our current adult self comes online
• 1:31:31
  and is like, hey, no, fuck you. And all of a
• 1:31:35
  sudden that like, that moment in time is like
• 1:31:40
  rewritten. And all that stored energy of that
• 1:31:44
  was holding back the no. comes through and all
• 1:31:46
  of this life force is released. And it's like,
• 1:31:48
  that part is liberated. That part is empowered,
• 1:31:51
  um, kind of like rescued from that place in time.
• 1:31:54
  And then that deep kind of, um, experience translates
• 1:31:58
  to all of a sudden, like, oh, my desire for alcohol
• 1:32:01
  is gone because my alcohol, I was using alcohol
• 1:32:04
  to suppress like that feeling or that memory,
• 1:32:07
  but that memory is gone or that feeling is, has
• 1:32:09
  moved through. And it's like, my impulses have
• 1:32:11
  changed. Um, And that's like how these medicines
• 1:32:15
  work. So anyone who's like listening, considering
• 1:32:18
  doing, you know, these visionary medicines, it's
• 1:32:21
  not like you're going to have an amazing experience
• 1:32:22
  and meet God and poof, you're healed. It's like,
• 1:32:24
  you're going to go in and do some deep work on
• 1:32:28
  yourself. And the most challenging experiences,
• 1:32:31
  the hard, difficult, scary ones are the most
• 1:32:33
  life transformative. 100%. That was so beautifully
• 1:32:38
  said. I mean, I speak from experience. And, like,
• 1:32:45
  that's sort of, you know, like, we opened up
• 1:32:48
  this talk before. It's like, we're here because
• 1:32:51
  we've done that work. And we can, you know, we
• 1:32:54
  can only take people as far as we've gone ourselves.
• 1:32:58
  Absolutely. Yeah. And that's why I just, you
• 1:33:01
  know, I kind of think it's funny sometimes with,
• 1:33:03
  like, the therapists and that sort of more clinical
• 1:33:07
  side of things. really like when we're talking
• 1:33:10
  about like people's like wellbeing and vitality
• 1:33:13
  for life, but like looking at their consciousness,
• 1:33:15
  you know, a lot of the time. And I feel like
• 1:33:18
  there's a lot of people out there who are therapists
• 1:33:20
  and they know everything in the book, but they
• 1:33:22
  just, they don't have the lived experience of
• 1:33:24
  that evolution. And it's, I just, I think that's
• 1:33:27
  why so many people kind of get disheartened with
• 1:33:29
  that, that field. Yeah. And I think that's why
• 1:33:33
  there's a big like underground movement. because
• 1:33:37
  this phenomenon it's happening here there's like
• 1:33:39
  a an organization that was training therapists
• 1:33:42
  to lead like psychedelics and they had one journey
• 1:33:49
  and then they were like psychedelic assisted
• 1:33:53
  therapists but they didn't understand the medicine
• 1:33:56
  world at all um and Yeah, so it's there's this
• 1:34:03
  like controversy of integrity of like how or
• 1:34:05
  some some of them would read about it, not even
• 1:34:08
  do a journey. And then they're guiding others
• 1:34:10
  on like theoretical information. Yeah, it just
• 1:34:15
  doesn't sit right versus someone who might not
• 1:34:17
  have the credentials of a psychotherapist, but
• 1:34:21
  has has done so much inner work who understand
• 1:34:25
  the nuances of those spaces and like. Yeah, the
• 1:34:28
  intensity of it and the mysticism of it. I don't
• 1:34:34
  know where I'm going with this comment, but it's
• 1:34:36
  like, yeah, it's there needs to be a deeper integration
• 1:34:40
  of experience for a practitioner, like lived
• 1:34:45
  experience. And then at the same time, those
• 1:34:47
  underground practitioners learning about trauma,
• 1:34:50
  because essentially that's what they're guiding
• 1:34:52
  people through is like deep, deep shit. and knowing
• 1:34:58
  how to how to care for somebody in that uh -huh
• 1:35:03
  no you're absolutely right and uh my teacher
• 1:35:06
  in the ayahuasca world he had uh like a company
• 1:35:12
  reach out to him and be like hey like i know
• 1:35:14
  you're an ayahuasquero we have this like massive
• 1:35:16
  opportunity right now with like creating farmahuasca
• 1:35:20
  and i was like are you guys interested in like
• 1:35:23
  being part of this like there's so much money
• 1:35:25
  to be made and my teacher he just goes you guys
• 1:35:28
  have fucking no idea what you're getting into
• 1:35:31
  no idea like i'm not coming anywhere near you
• 1:35:36
  guys you know like The medicine world is no joke.
• 1:35:42
  And I think you touched on something like really
• 1:35:44
  good, you know, where, you know, we live in a
• 1:35:46
  day and age where our access to medicines has
• 1:35:49
  like never been so great. You know, like you
• 1:35:52
  go back in the tribal settings and it's like
• 1:35:53
  only the people who are like serving the medicines,
• 1:35:55
  like have the access to everything, you know?
• 1:35:58
  And now it's like, we have access to everything
• 1:36:00
  and basically no teachers, you know? So like
• 1:36:04
  from your perspective, like. What are, like,
• 1:36:07
  the serious, like, ethical considerations that
• 1:36:10
  practitioners and participants should be aware
• 1:36:13
  of, you know? Man, I want to say, like, as a
• 1:36:20
  person who's, say, serving or holding, like,
• 1:36:24
  trip -sitting, it's, like, proper screening to
• 1:36:27
  be on. Like, not everybody can handle even cambo
• 1:36:31
  or psychedelics. I know when I first started,
• 1:36:34
  when I was younger, I was like, this is the medicine
• 1:36:36
  for everyone. I was like so evangelical, like
• 1:36:38
  everybody needs to do this. And then over the
• 1:36:40
  years, it's like I've actually like pulled back
• 1:36:42
  and supporting people and slowing them down is
• 1:36:46
  like is not not everybody's ready on a deep psychological
• 1:36:50
  level. Even here in Vancouver, the access is
• 1:36:56
  everywhere. There's dispensaries. You can go
• 1:36:59
  get LSD in your smoothie and microdoses of everything
• 1:37:03
  and dispensaries. I was standing in one. I was
• 1:37:06
  getting a coca leaf latte at one of the dispensaries.
• 1:37:13
  Then someone beside me walks up to the counter
• 1:37:16
  and is like, hey, I'm looking for microdosing.
• 1:37:18
  What do you know? Then there's this young girl
• 1:37:20
  who's like, oh, okay, this one. um it's like
• 1:37:23
  good for you for like your mind and stuff and
• 1:37:27
  yeah you take like 500 milligrams as a microdose
• 1:37:30
  and I was like 500 milligrams that's not a microdose
• 1:37:34
  and just like spewing this like really incorrect
• 1:37:37
  information and the person's like okay and this
• 1:37:39
  like goes off and takes it or even like vape
• 1:37:41
  pens right now like 5mio or nndmt vape pens these
• 1:37:44
  things are so powerful like and there's no information
• 1:37:48
  that you just go over the counter and buy it
• 1:37:50
  and then there's no you know dosage people are
• 1:37:53
  going home and and doing it on their own and
• 1:37:56
  having this like crazy trip and freaking out
• 1:37:58
  and then needing um what's it called therapy
• 1:38:01
  because they just access some part of themselves
• 1:38:04
  that traumatized them um so people who are considering
• 1:38:08
  doing the information or doing them with no information
• 1:38:12
  is like find somebody to guide you through your
• 1:38:15
  first experience um knowledgeable person with
• 1:38:19
  experience Um, yeah, I don't know if I answered
• 1:38:24
  your question or if I just went on a side tangent.
• 1:38:27
  No, I mean, I think, I think you were right on
• 1:38:30
  the money, you know, like we're coming into a
• 1:38:32
  weird, a weird time with all of these things.
• 1:38:35
  And even just the way that people think about
• 1:38:38
  them too, you know, like I was like smoking weed
• 1:38:41
  when I was younger and everything that we had
• 1:38:44
  in Australia, it was just like, we grew in the
• 1:38:46
  bush. you know? And like, you'd smoke like three
• 1:38:49
  King joints in a night. And it was like, you
• 1:38:52
  were chilling, you know? And like, I came to
• 1:38:54
  Canada and went to a dispensary. This is like
• 1:38:56
  six, seven years ago, you know? And you have
• 1:38:59
  like one puff and you're on the floor and you're
• 1:39:01
  just like, holy fuck. And I see it now with like
• 1:39:06
  the mushrooms and the psilocybin too, where there's
• 1:39:10
  all these beautiful alkaloids that make this
• 1:39:12
  medicine, you know? And it's like, All the growers
• 1:39:15
  now, it's just like more potent, more potent,
• 1:39:18
  more potent. That's like all they care about.
• 1:39:20
  And they have like big competitions of like who
• 1:39:23
  has the most potent genetic. And it's like, we've
• 1:39:26
  lost our, we lost our minds. That has nothing
• 1:39:29
  to do with what this is. Yeah, I think that's
• 1:39:32
  like a fatuation of intensity, right? Speed,
• 1:39:38
  go like bigness is compensation for how numb.
• 1:39:44
  We are. It's like we need something really strong
• 1:39:47
  to feel something. So the small nuanced things,
• 1:39:52
  like a micro, like a micro dose, right? The nuances,
• 1:39:55
  the small somatic shifts we feel are just like
• 1:39:59
  inaccessible to how. The average person is quite
• 1:40:03
  numb or like overstimulated or hypervigilant
• 1:40:06
  or over caffeinated. Most of us are living in
• 1:40:09
  fight, flight or freeze. And we want something,
• 1:40:12
  we need something big and strong and fast to
• 1:40:14
  like break through that so that we can actually
• 1:40:16
  feel something. Yeah. And it makes me think of,
• 1:40:21
  there's this book, Plant Spirit Medicine. Have
• 1:40:25
  you read that? I don't think so. Who's the author?
• 1:40:28
  It's just there on my... on my uh lamp uh elliot
• 1:40:33
  cohen it's my favorite book of all time it's
• 1:40:35
  just the whole thing is just pure spirit codes
• 1:40:38
  the whole way through and if you read it without
• 1:40:41
  having like the vision and like the experience
• 1:40:43
  to understand these worlds it makes zero sense
• 1:40:47
  but as soon as you like have the keys it's like
• 1:40:50
  the whole thing's encrypted and it's just so
• 1:40:51
  beautiful the whole way through but he talks
• 1:40:54
  about cannabis and he's like cannabis came from
• 1:40:58
  like northern india china right like the lineages
• 1:41:04
  that know how to work with that medicine are
• 1:41:07
  there it's like if you're not connected to those
• 1:41:11
  traditional roots of like the people who are
• 1:41:13
  their dna is woven with the plants then like
• 1:41:17
  you're just lost you know so it's like the that
• 1:41:22
  those indigenous roots like they are the anchor
• 1:41:26
  You know, whenever we work with these things.
• 1:41:28
  So like, why are you going to like the store
• 1:41:30
  to buy an NNDMT pen? You know, like who's carrying
• 1:41:34
  that medicine? It's like we get into the realm
• 1:41:39
  of neo -shamanism. And yeah, unfortunately, like
• 1:41:43
  through colonization, indigenous tradition and
• 1:41:48
  culture is being wiped. with that, the wisdom
• 1:41:52
  of how to work with these plants. It's like encrypted
• 1:41:55
  or you really have to find and dig for it. And
• 1:41:58
  I think perhaps that's why, you know, we're seeing
• 1:42:02
  people, you know, renegade. We see this renegade.
• 1:42:08
  And there is something to be said about direct
• 1:42:11
  revelation. It's like, do I need a tradition
• 1:42:13
  or can this plant teach me how it taught the
• 1:42:15
  others? Can I have a direct revelation? And we
• 1:42:18
  do see that, right? Like learning. like you said,
• 1:42:21
  directly from the spirit of Cambo. And I know
• 1:42:24
  I've learned directly from the spirit of mushrooms.
• 1:42:26
  It's like, oh my gosh, you're giving me all this
• 1:42:28
  information of space holding, of leading, of
• 1:42:31
  how trauma works, of how the psyche works. And
• 1:42:33
  then I don't go take a course or read a book
• 1:42:34
  and be like, yeah, that's exactly what the mushrooms
• 1:42:37
  told me in my last journey with myself. Yeah,
• 1:42:41
  there is direct. So where is the space for direct
• 1:42:44
  revelation for people to have their own ability
• 1:42:47
  to learn from these plants and themselves versus
• 1:42:49
  like lineage, for example, or tradition gatekeeping
• 1:42:53
  something. And I think some plants are more.
• 1:42:57
  What's the word? I can't find the word, but some
• 1:43:02
  plants are more rigid, like iboga and ayahuasca
• 1:43:05
  is like, yes, they have a lineage for a reason.
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  But other, you know, more forgiving plants like
• 1:43:10
  a mushroom, like so many people are able to take
• 1:43:12
  a mushroom because it just grows in poop. You
• 1:43:14
  know, anybody was able just to take it and take
• 1:43:16
  it in the forest and have a great forest day.
• 1:43:18
  So maybe perhaps I'm answering my question of
• 1:43:21
  like this nuancedness of, you know, what. What
• 1:43:23
  is up for us as a sovereign being to have direct
• 1:43:26
  revelation to learn versus when to turn to lineage
• 1:43:30
  or tradition? Yeah, beautifully said. Yeah. I'm
• 1:43:36
  just curious from your perspective, like as someone
• 1:43:38
  who is serving Cambo, whenever I serve Cambo
• 1:43:42
  on someone, like I'm not taking the medicine,
• 1:43:45
  right? And like, I just get flushed. You know,
• 1:43:50
  like if I'm serving at 10 a .m. from like 9 till
• 1:43:53
  9 .50, I'm just sitting on the toilet. I'm just
• 1:43:57
  getting cleaned out. Does that happen to you?
• 1:43:59
  No. No. I wake up. I hang out with my puppy.
• 1:44:06
  I sip on my matcha. Yeah, it's like every time,
• 1:44:11
  you know, it's like as soon as they like walk
• 1:44:13
  in the gate to my place, it's just like time
• 1:44:15
  to clean house. You need to be like a squeaky
• 1:44:17
  vessel to do this properly, you know? I guess
• 1:44:19
  I just got more cleaning to do. Yeah. Yeah. Or
• 1:44:22
  who knows? Who knows? It's like, it's working
• 1:44:24
  with you. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Amazing. This
• 1:44:32
  was such a good conversation. I'm actually excited
• 1:44:34
  to listen to this back. You're so knowledgeable.
• 1:44:37
  Okay. I think the last thing I'd like to touch
• 1:44:39
  on is how your journey has going with like releasing
• 1:44:45
  music. onto Spotify and becoming a musician and
• 1:44:48
  recording. And I'm really curious to see how
• 1:44:51
  that's all going. Oh, thanks for asking. Yeah.
• 1:44:54
  Perhaps to give more context on that, like my
• 1:44:59
  own personal journey, I've arrived here because
• 1:45:02
  of the plants. Right. And looking back is like
• 1:45:08
  the first 30 some years of my life was about
• 1:45:13
  healing. And from my childhood, there was a lot
• 1:45:18
  of suppressed energy, suppression of authentic
• 1:45:22
  self that wanted to be opened up. And through,
• 1:45:25
  yeah, these plant medicines, ayahuasca, bufo,
• 1:45:29
  breathwork, cambo, it's like arriving at this
• 1:45:31
  place of finally having access to the authentic
• 1:45:34
  self. And when we are, I'm going to use air quotes
• 1:45:37
  here, like healed and no longer focusing on healing,
• 1:45:41
  we get to turn to... playing. We get to turn
• 1:45:46
  to enjoying life and our creativity comes online.
• 1:45:50
  And one of the first thing that shuts off, goes
• 1:45:53
  offline when we're holding trauma or distress
• 1:45:55
  is our capacity to be curious, to wonder, to
• 1:46:00
  play, to be adventurous, like that inner child
• 1:46:03
  shuts down. So recognizing looking back was like,
• 1:46:06
  wow, it's been a journey of inner child work
• 1:46:08
  and liberating this little one. And this little
• 1:46:10
  one wants to sing. This little one wants to dance.
• 1:46:14
  And the last 10 years of my life is working with
• 1:46:20
  this trauma around vocal liberation. There was
• 1:46:22
  a lot of fear and contraction around even the
• 1:46:26
  idea of singing. Inside, this little one's like,
• 1:46:28
  I want to sing! And then I would have panic attacks
• 1:46:31
  just, like, thinking about it. And when I would
• 1:46:35
  take mushrooms, I would... The ego would shut
• 1:46:38
  off. The fight response would shut off. And this
• 1:46:40
  liberated voice came out. And I was like, oh,
• 1:46:42
  my God. The ancestors are singing through me.
• 1:46:44
  Like, oh, my God. The angels. Like, this is amazing.
• 1:46:47
  I love my voice when it's free. And then the
• 1:46:53
  medicine would wear off. And I tried to sing.
• 1:46:56
  And it was like, what the fuck? What is this?
• 1:47:00
  I can't sing. Why am I scared? I'm terrified.
• 1:47:02
  I'm clamming up. I'm crying. And so it was 10.
• 1:47:06
  No, yeah, like eight years, eight fucking years
• 1:47:10
  of this journey of unwinding that impulse. And
• 1:47:16
  it took a lot of somatic therapy, vocal coach
• 1:47:20
  and tantrums and crying and lots and all the
• 1:47:24
  meanwhile, like leading medicine and opening
• 1:47:26
  up every weekend and then closing, opening up
• 1:47:29
  and closing and the integration. So this is a
• 1:47:31
  lovely. you know, story for integration because
• 1:47:35
  the intention was I want to liberate my voice.
• 1:47:38
  So the integration after a ceremony of feeling
• 1:47:41
  the liberation was going to my vocal practice,
• 1:47:44
  right? And leading song circles and medicine
• 1:47:48
  songs would come through and on my own, finally
• 1:47:52
  like opening up the voice and finally arriving
• 1:47:54
  last year at this place of like, I'm ready. You
• 1:47:59
  know, I still battle with the voice in my head
• 1:48:02
  that's like, oh, you didn't hit your high note.
• 1:48:05
  Oh, that sucks. You're not like so and so. And
• 1:48:08
  there's still this like little inner critic who's
• 1:48:10
  like, you're not good enough. You're never going
• 1:48:12
  to be enough. Shut up. And there's this part
• 1:48:17
  that is liberated and finally came to releasing
• 1:48:20
  music. And this August released a song called
• 1:48:24
  Smiling Hearts Snowflake Prayer, which came through.
• 1:48:30
  I'll condense the story, but in a sweat that
• 1:48:33
  I wasn't allowed to participate in. So I was
• 1:48:35
  reluctantly waiting outside and these snowflakes
• 1:48:37
  started falling from the sky and this beautiful,
• 1:48:40
  there's no wind. So they were all spiraling down
• 1:48:43
  at the same time. And I was in Castle Garden,
• 1:48:48
  the Kootenays, and there the frost is different.
• 1:48:51
  Here when it snows in Vancouver, it's just like
• 1:48:52
  slush that has no form. But there it's like perfect
• 1:48:56
  snowflakes. And so perfect geometry spiraling
• 1:49:00
  down from the sky. And I'm looking up in wonder
• 1:49:02
  and in awe, like, oh my God, this beauty. I see
• 1:49:06
  the interconnectedness of everything. And then
• 1:49:10
  the song comes through and it felt a very felt
• 1:49:14
  sense of these snowflakes singing to me, through
• 1:49:16
  me. And the song doesn't really have any words.
• 1:49:19
  It's just yana, hey, yanas. But the translation
• 1:49:23
  is like, okay. The beauty you see in me is the
• 1:49:26
  beauty I see in you. The snowflakes being like,
• 1:49:28
  hey, your jaw's dropping at me, but I'm dropping
• 1:49:31
  my jaw at you. You're beautiful. You're divine.
• 1:49:34
  Celebrate that. And that's a song that I've been
• 1:49:37
  sharing in ceremony. And it's been passed around.
• 1:49:41
  So now it's actually in the community. I can
• 1:49:42
  hear it in cacao ceremonies and peyote ceremonies.
• 1:49:45
  And so it brings me a lot of joy to finally bring
• 1:49:47
  it to the online platform. It's been such a tremendous
• 1:49:54
  gift because with this, I also launched a GoFundMe
• 1:49:56
  project to my community of like, okay, I'm doing
• 1:49:59
  10 songs. It's going to cost at least $10 ,000
• 1:50:02
  help. And it was so beautiful to see my community
• 1:50:08
  rush in. So far, we've raised $5 ,700, so enough
• 1:50:13
  for basically half the album. Four songs, three
• 1:50:18
  songs are out right now, working on the fourth
• 1:50:21
  one. And it's all because of the medicine. It's
• 1:50:26
  all because of the mushrooms. They're here to
• 1:50:28
  heal that inner child so that you can play. And
• 1:50:33
  that's like the beautiful lesson of it all is
• 1:50:37
  like the outcome on the other end of these experiences
• 1:50:40
  is greater levels of authentic connection to
• 1:50:44
  self, embodiment, expression, joy, play, laughter.
• 1:50:49
  And, you know, that's how. We heal as a humanity
• 1:50:53
  is when we're no longer in our survival patterns.
• 1:50:57
  We're actually thriving and we outgrow these
• 1:51:00
  medicines. We no longer need them. And I think
• 1:51:02
  that's why they've come to the surface and probably
• 1:51:05
  so predominantly right now. It's like the world
• 1:51:08
  isn't so. It's really fucked up right now. There's
• 1:51:13
  a lot of people hurting and in pain who need
• 1:51:15
  liberation, and I think that's why there's been
• 1:51:17
  this surge of these plants and these medicines,
• 1:51:20
  kind of like this free -for -all, because it's
• 1:51:22
  like, just take us, find your joy, and go create
• 1:51:26
  world peace, please, for the sake of the planet.
• 1:51:30
  Please do this work. And yeah, finding myself.
• 1:51:36
  in this time of play in my life, and I'm using
• 1:51:38
  less of these medicines myself. And actually,
• 1:51:41
  you know, that's what brings me joy of holding
• 1:51:45
  space for others. Because it's, that's what's,
• 1:51:47
  that's what the work is, is that meet me here
• 1:51:50
  in this play, and we can create, create peace
• 1:51:52
  together. Yeah, so beautiful. Have you been playing
• 1:51:58
  music like your whole life? Or is it something
• 1:52:00
  that really came through the plants? It came
• 1:52:03
  through the plants. I didn't think I was musical.
• 1:52:06
  My whole family is. This is where it was like
• 1:52:08
  this da, like aha moment where I learned guitar
• 1:52:12
  in grade seven, a couple chords. And that was
• 1:52:14
  it. In my 20s, the guitar just sat collecting
• 1:52:17
  dust. But my brother, he was the musical one,
• 1:52:21
  right? He, any instrument, he can just pick it
• 1:52:23
  up and be like, like the flute, the saxophone,
• 1:52:25
  the piano, the guitar, like anything. Just look
• 1:52:28
  at me go. No formal training. My mother also
• 1:52:31
  went to music school, so she does piano and the
• 1:52:34
  flute. Her sister, my aunt, also piano, flute,
• 1:52:37
  jazz, sings. And so I was like, my family is
• 1:52:41
  the instrumental one. My grandpa on my dad's
• 1:52:43
  side was a drummer in a jazz band. My dad, he
• 1:52:48
  kind of dabbles in harmonica and guitar. But
• 1:52:50
  it was like, they do that. I don't. And so...
• 1:52:56
  I find myself laughing because it's like, oh,
• 1:52:59
  my God, it's it's been here. Like these are my
• 1:53:01
  ancestors. These are my roots. Like music is
• 1:53:03
  in my roots. And to deny myself that. So it's
• 1:53:08
  fun. My mom comes to my journeys and my sound
• 1:53:10
  baths and I have my bowls and my gong, my harmonium.
• 1:53:12
  And she's just like, I'm living vicariously through
• 1:53:16
  you because I wanted to do this. Like I love
• 1:53:18
  music, but I had children. Right. And we were
• 1:53:21
  immigrants and lived in. yeah, a bit of poverty.
• 1:53:24
  And she had to focus on tending her children.
• 1:53:27
  And here she gets to see me like living out her
• 1:53:30
  dream, making music. And, and yeah, it's it was
• 1:53:35
  this aha moment of like, of course, I'm a musician,
• 1:53:39
  I still feel like an imposter when I say that,
• 1:53:41
  because it's, I still only know just a few chords
• 1:53:43
  and some picking patterns. My partner is definitely
• 1:53:46
  better. But like, hey, I'm making music. I'm
• 1:53:48
  a musician. It's all in the soul. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:53:55
  I think it's one of those things where it's like,
• 1:53:57
  you're a musician as soon as you say you are.
• 1:54:00
  And that's like the end of it, you know? There
• 1:54:02
  isn't like a perfect place or like, you don't
• 1:54:06
  play piano unless you're grade seven or grade
• 1:54:08
  eight, you know? That's just not how it works
• 1:54:11
  at all. Yeah, and there's even this like, people
• 1:54:14
  are like, I'm not a singer. It's like, well,
• 1:54:16
  if you know how to speak, you know how to sing.
• 1:54:19
  It's like we're all singers. I'm just singing
• 1:54:21
  in this cadence and this melody and this tone
• 1:54:23
  right now. And so it's the same. It's like if
• 1:54:26
  you can play a chord, you can play music. Absolutely,
• 1:54:30
  yeah. Yeah, I mean, I grew up, my grandma on
• 1:54:34
  my dad's side, she was a pianist. It kind of
• 1:54:39
  trickled down to like the grandkids and me. And
• 1:54:42
  like when I was growing up, I kind of filled
• 1:54:44
  with like a bit of guitar and piano here and
• 1:54:46
  there. But like same thing again, just took a
• 1:54:47
  few chords, nothing really serious. And once
• 1:54:51
  I started drinking ayahuasca, it was just like,
• 1:54:52
  you are a musician. You're a musician. You know,
• 1:54:55
  it was like every time I'd go and drink ceremony,
• 1:54:57
  like drink the medicine, it'd be like, you need
• 1:55:00
  to go and buy a guitar. You need to go and buy
• 1:55:02
  a didgeridoo. You need to go buy singing bowls.
• 1:55:04
  And now I just got like all this stuff in my
• 1:55:06
  place. And like, I'm moving to Peru next month
• 1:55:08
  and it's like, I don't have that much stuff,
• 1:55:10
  but I got like two guitars and singing bowls
• 1:55:13
  and like this and that and harmonicas and all
• 1:55:16
  this shit. I'm like, fuck, what am I going to
• 1:55:17
  do with all of this stuff? Bring it. Yeah. Oh,
• 1:55:22
  it's like, I have no choice, you know, but there's
• 1:55:25
  something about the plants and music. They just
• 1:55:28
  like, they really bring it out of you. Right.
• 1:55:31
  Cause when I started to study sound, it's like.
• 1:55:35
  sound is what creates creation and like the sound
• 1:55:40
  the eternal ohm and even in like the biblical
• 1:55:43
  text like and with I'm gonna butcher it because
• 1:55:47
  I'm not a biblical text person but you know that
• 1:55:50
  saying of and then they said let there be light
• 1:55:52
  so said said is voice so sound gave birth to
• 1:55:58
  light and I was doing the sound science course
• 1:56:03
  and Sound creates infrared light. You can't see
• 1:56:07
  it, but I'm actually creating light with my words.
• 1:56:10
  And this light travels, and when it hits matter,
• 1:56:14
  it will hit matter, and then that matter will
• 1:56:16
  absorb it and transform. And that sound, if I'm
• 1:56:19
  singing outside, that light will travel to the
• 1:56:22
  stars. And if we create sound with a singing
• 1:56:26
  bowl, it goes into the skin. The skin has receptors
• 1:56:30
  for sound, and it's pulling it in. We are like
• 1:56:34
  on a molecular level, 99 .9 % water. That sound
• 1:56:37
  is going in and informing the water and that
• 1:56:40
  structure is informing our system. And when we're
• 1:56:42
  in the medicine, you can feel that, right? Someone's
• 1:56:46
  just making a guttural like, and you're like,
• 1:56:50
  oh my God, that is moving so much energy. Or
• 1:56:52
  someone just strikes like the perfect chord and
• 1:56:55
  your heart just opens up. You're like so affected
• 1:56:58
  by profound sound. And then you can hear back
• 1:57:01
  the recording of what. the sound actually was.
• 1:57:04
  It was like, oh, that wasn't actually that profound.
• 1:57:07
  It didn't even sound that good. But there's something
• 1:57:09
  that plants do to open up our perception, to
• 1:57:13
  receive it more fully. And that's one of my favorite
• 1:57:16
  things is actually medicine and sound. Medicine
• 1:57:18
  and singing and medicine and receiving sound.
• 1:57:21
  It's a trip in itself. So that's why sound is
• 1:57:25
  such an important part of ceremony. And it's
• 1:57:28
  everywhere too. There's like, there is no tradition
• 1:57:30
  where there's no song involved, you know? And
• 1:57:33
  I know like even with ayahuasca, it actually
• 1:57:34
  changes your vocal cords when you drink it. That's
• 1:57:37
  like one of the effects it has. And you just
• 1:57:39
  sing like an angel. You're like, this is the
• 1:57:41
  best. Yeah. I mean, sometimes like I can feel.
• 1:57:46
  Like an energy or I have a lot of guides that
• 1:57:49
  I work with and I can feel them coming in when
• 1:57:52
  I invite them in and I can feel my body changing
• 1:57:54
  and my voice changing. And all of a sudden I'm
• 1:57:57
  like this abuela and singing Spanish. And then
• 1:58:00
  like three seconds later, like these bird sounds
• 1:58:02
  come out and then like jaguar. And then I try
• 1:58:05
  to do that like without medicine is like, oh,
• 1:58:08
  I can't do that. There's something going on in
• 1:58:10
  those spaces. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. The access
• 1:58:14
  is gone. Yeah. Amazing. I have learned Jaguar,
• 1:58:20
  though. That's what I can finally recreate. Unreal.
• 1:58:35
  Unreal. All right. I think that's all I got.
• 1:58:41
  What are you working on? Where can people find
• 1:58:43
  you? Just plug away. I'll stick whatever in the...
• 1:58:46
  descriptions above, below, left, right, wherever
• 1:58:49
  they go? Yeah. I mean, if you're interested in
• 1:58:52
  Cambo, then thesomaheart .com. That's where like
• 1:58:57
  Cambo and our other medicinal events are. And
• 1:59:00
  I say are because I work with my partner, my
• 1:59:02
  love, my fiance, Deus. If you're interested in
• 1:59:07
  that Candida Cleanser, candidacleanser .com.
• 1:59:10
  If you're interested in music, Akaya Fortune
• 1:59:13
  on all streaming platforms. And that's that.
• 1:59:17
  And if you wanted to follow me like on Instagram
• 1:59:19
  or something, I'm more active there. It's aga
• 1:59:21
  .akaya .fortune. I have two names. I'm going
• 1:59:24
  through a transition. I was Aga now moving into
• 1:59:27
  Akaya. So I'm in this like sloppy, awkward transition
• 1:59:30
  phase where I don't even know what to call myself.
• 1:59:35
  Yeah, that's where you can find me. Yep, beautiful.
• 1:59:38
  Okay. Yeah, definitely worth checking it out.
• 1:59:41
  Her music's absolutely divine. So a thousand
• 1:59:44
  percent. like take a look into that. Yeah. It's
• 1:59:48
  unreal. I love it. Okay. I think that's it. Yeah.
• 1:59:52
  Thanks for having me. This was really fun. I
• 1:59:54
  know we could like talk for hours, but this feels,
• 1:59:57
  this was good. Yeah, no, we can always, we can
• 2:00:00
  always do another one in the future too. And
• 2:00:02
  next time I'm out in Vanway, I'll come see you.
• 2:00:04
  Yeah, definitely. Cool. All right. That's all.
• 2:00:09
  Thank you so much. All my relations. All right.
• 2:00:12
  Bye.