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MMS with a side of Q & A · United We Scan

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  Thank you. Now here are the hosts of the
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  United We Scan podcast. Welcome back everybody.
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  Episode 37. Tonight we're going to go over
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  mini mail survey and do some of our listener Q&A.
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  How was your week, James? Oh, it was pretty good gearing
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  up for the mini mail survey. Our postmaster did do the stand
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  up talk as required and also informed everybody that we would
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  be doing it the exact same way we did it last time with the
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  sheets handed out to the carriers and if they choose to
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  count for the management, they can do it themselves.
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  Then management will verify the numbers and then put them in the
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  system. If a carrier doesn't want to
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  count, then management counts for them.
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  So it worked out really well the first time and it seemed to work
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  out really well Friday when I worked.
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  I didn't work Saturday, so I don't know how that went, but it
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  was a pretty good, pretty good week overall.
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  Mail volumes were fluctuating through the whole week, but it
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  it felt good to get back to my route after a week off at
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  National. I hear you, Bill.
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  How was your week? Oh, typical Westchester.
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  I mean, you know, carriers, bitching, management, crying,
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  you know, hot weather, humid. Sticky.
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  It felt good to get get back in the truck and see my customers
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  and kids and the dogs and, you know, get back into the swing of
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  things. And actually, it it's a lot
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  easier than doing the National Convention, You know, no 11:00,
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  you know, tutorials with the resolutions or anything or, you
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  know, doing the caucus night. And then it's like, God, yeah,
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  this job's easier than the convention is.
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  I agree. Yeah.
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  My typical week. See back to work Monday and we
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  did some OJT with the newbie that took a month off due to his
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  health. He hopped back in that saddle
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  just like he hadn't been gone for a month.
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  He we took the route out Monday we got.
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  I want to say probably 3/4 of the way through it, maybe a
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  little bit more. And I looked and it was already
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  5:30 and I said, all right, I said, how about if we switch
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  seats? And I knocked this last bit out,
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  he's like, yeah, no problem. So we were done within an hour.
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  But Tuesday we then, because he didn't have much of the
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  second-half before he got sick, actually didn't have anything.
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  So Tuesday we went ahead and split the route with the
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  regular, did the second-half. He did awesome.
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  And then Wednesday, he split the route and did the second-half
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  again with the regular only I He was on his own and he did
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  awesome. And Thursday and Friday he was
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  on his own. Thursday actually worked out
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  pretty darn good because Amazon didn't show up Thursday morning.
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  So that was to his benefit. Yeah, we paid for it on Friday,
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  but not it was actually not too bad.
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  He did really good. He.
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  Was back. It's a night and 1/2 hour route.
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  He was back pretty close to evaluation time.
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  Yep. And he'll be back tomorrow and
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  we'll see how that goes. But yeah, he's told me.
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  You know what? Because I didn't even I think
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  because I only had to look at the map like once or didn't have
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  to look at. He goes just a couple more times
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  and I'll be golden. I'm like, can we clone him?
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  I just want to clone him, you know?
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  But so that was, yeah, so hard. Oh, I know.
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  And yeah, our regulars final day that's retiring is Thursday the
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  31st. So then at the countdown begins
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  and yeah, I got another full week this week, had a full week
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  this past week, and we'll see what happens.
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  We're trying to get the borrowed RCA to transfer into our office
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  too, because he does really well.
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  Because when I got back Saturday after National and they had
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  split the one route that I was running Saturday and he did the
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  hard part, the turnaround part of it, the POA.
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  And when I went through there on Saturday, there was not one
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  piece of misdelivered mail that I picked up.
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  So we're trying to talk him into moving N about 30 miles.
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  Well, he's his route with that. He's assigned to done.
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  There was one of those that dropped to an H route.
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  So he's farming himself out all over to get hours and he's only
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  been in RCA for seven months and he's a new listener.
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  So hi. Yeah, I'm talking about you.
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  So yeah, you know, it's it's going well.
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  That's that's the key. That's the key.
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  A lot of us want those Subs that are willing to work.
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  We want those Subs that are willing to come in and do the
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  work. You know, there.
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  There's nothing bad about not wanting to work every single
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  day. I'm not, I'm not complaining
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  about Subs getting time off to do the things they need to do.
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  But if a sub's coming in and doing the work and getting the
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  work done and going home every day, I'm happy about that.
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  And if they if they do take time off, that's OK with me too, you
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  know. But if you're willing to do the
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  work, you get the work done when you're there, I'm happy with
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  you. Yep, Yep, that's you know and
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  the other one that we have left, he finally mastered that one
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  route that was giving him issues and he actually starting to like
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  that route more than his primary.
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  Sadly, his primary is the one I'll be taking over.
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  But. We'll see what happens.
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  I mean, it's going to be one of those things being the little
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  man on the totem pole. I'm going to be working every
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  Saturday most of the time anyways, and they'll be pulling
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  him to run everything else. More money for you?
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  Yep, yeah. Especially starting in the
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  middle of the guarantee period with the beginning, so I won't
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  even be able to bank X days till after Christmas.
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  Otherwise, I'd do that, Yeah. Well, and down top of that,
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  because you know the route, you can just go with evaluation at
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  the beginning instead of waiting a whole year on hourly and
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  losing a lot of money through the middle of summer.
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  Correct. Yeah, I do the route.
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  In fact, I'm running the route Tuesday.
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  I haven't ran it in a while since we've had a sub, but I
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  will. I'm running it Tuesday because
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  he needs off and well, she's burning up what little bit she
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  had left to use up. So we shall see.
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  What happens, it'll be kind of nice to run it again, but
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  there's been a lot of quite a few changes on that route.
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  They've she added 20 new boxes this month, and that won't be in
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  this evaluation either. Well, no, at least past one.
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  Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, because when we updated the
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  mapping, that's how I knew she had added an additional 20
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  boxes, so. Including a CPU.
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  So they're up to 101 CPU units, 101 CPUs boxes and 600, and
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  something else regular. We'll see what happens.
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  So you ready to get into this mini mail survey question and
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  answer section? Go right ahead and let you.
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  I'll let you start it. So the very first question we
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  have is one that's on a lot of carriers minds and that is the
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  unscanned parcel MOU that came out and only using door
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  miscellaneous. So in my opinion, from what I've
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  heard from higher up union officials in the area, you don't
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  get the credit in the office for the unscanned parcel like you
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  used to on the mail counts because they used to count
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  everything in the mail counts. So if you had an unscanned
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  parcel, that would be counted in the office at that time.
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  So they changed this with the Rex stuff because we have the
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  unscanned parcel to use on the route and you should be using
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  the unscanned parcel when you deliver things to the door or to
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  the mailbox that are of the unscanned parcel type.
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  Now you're going to have management arguing sizes and
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  things like that. It is not a shoe box size.
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  That is a city carrier term, spurs or chunks.
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  That's also not a term we use in the rural craft.
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  We have no terms like that. It is either a parcel, a flat or
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  a letter. Those are the only terms we use.
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  Anything else is city talk or management trying to change
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  things. So the biggest thing is if
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  you're using a scan parcel, make sure you're being honest about
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  it. Everything about this is honesty
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  because even though management doesn't get in trouble for
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  falsifying government documents, you can.
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  So if they're harassing you on this or they're saying it's not
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  an unscanned parcel because of this, this and this, get with
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  your designated union Rep Make sure you are talking with your
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  union representative assigned to you.
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  It doesn't matter if it's a local area.
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  ADR. Dr. Any of them talk with them.
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  Your guys' thoughts? Well, along those lines there,
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  there's also a sample. Grievance out there for
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  benchmarking which has been established by the post office
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  in regards to dismounts, unscanned parcels, you know,
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  anything that's you know getting red flag because it's
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  benchmarked on a national average, so check with your ADR
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  or your Dr. to see if they have copies of that prove your case
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  in the future. One such case in our office is
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  that a a young lady has 110 dismounts on a weekly basis.
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  And they challenged it. Then she went out and showed
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  them and they're like, OK, you're outside the benchmarks,
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  so you know there there is one out there.
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  It should be provided by the NSS, if not by your ADR, your
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  Dr. and and utilize that because it's already filled out for you
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  with all the applicable articles and violations so that you can
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  prove your case. But again, it's contingent on
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  your honesty. Management doesn't have to be
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  honest, and you know the union could be questionable.
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  But you need to be honest, you know, to protect yourself.
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  Yeah, benchmarking definitely get a hold of if you're getting
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  harassed about. Any scans definitely reach out
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  to you. Or does it need a union?
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  Rope and document, document, document, document.
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  You know if you got to count the stuff yourself, count it if you
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  have to prove that it's an unscanned parcel.
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  And they're not wanting to pay you 8127 time or miscellaneous
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  to do anything like that then do it under start load, You know
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  anything like that is it's just, it's ridiculous how management's
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  trying to micromanage above and beyond what was already agreed
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  upon. It's funny that my management's
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  trying to micromanage us and they they don't even know what
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  the rules are, let alone I've every carried a route because
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  most of my supervisors came from the clerks.
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  Yep. Yep, mine too.
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  Yep. And if they aren't, if they're
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  saying you need to come show this to us, tell them to.
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  I need that in writing, round dated and signed.
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  And contact your designated union Rep because you shouldn't
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  have to turn around and be babysat like that in the 1st
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  place. And that is a form of harassment
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  for management. So you may have to do it the
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  first time, but you're going to want to contact your designated
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  union Rep and file a grievance on it.
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  Anything that they try to punish you on for scanner stuff, have
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  your designated union Rep there and make sure you document
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  everything because they cannot discipline you on scanner data
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  alone. I'll repeat that they cannot
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  discipline you on scanner data alone.
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  They have to have other evidence besides that because scanner
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  data can be messed up. Scanner data can be manipulated.
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  It may not be you manipulating it, it may be somebody on
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  another route accidentally. Put your route in there and now
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  it's putting their numbers on your route and it's showing up
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  in their system that this route had all these scans and it
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  wasn't just your scanner putting them in there.
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  Or you had where you had a drop day and they split your route
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  and the person who took your route out turned around and put
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  your number in there and inadvertently left it there when
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  they went back to their route the next day.
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  You know, there's all different kinds of way scanner data can be
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  messed up and that actually leads right into this this next
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  question that actually came from our group.
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  And that is I've been hearing lately that if you have a bad
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  battery in their scanner, your bread crumbs or your pings don't
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  ping very often. We had one route that had a bad
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  battery, had no pings for over a week, which could mean coverage
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  factor is bad. Any thoughts on the situation?
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  Batteries are can go bad, scanners can go bad.
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  The biggest issue we're having with these scanners, especially
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  right now, is because of the heat.
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  There are so many circuit boards and wires and things inside of
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  that case that when it heats up, they expand and they push on the
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  screen, which then causes the screen to go nuts.
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  And you've seen the videos online of the scanners going
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  nuts and there can be errors in that it can push on the GPS
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  receiver that's inside on one of the circuit boards and cause it
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  to malfunction. There's so many different things
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  that can go wrong when the scanner gets hot.
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  So yes, this is a problem, and if you have a bad battery,
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  that's just a bad battery overall.
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  You need to write it up and get management to fix it.
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  They have to either send it in and get it replaced, get new
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  ones brought in. Scanners have to be replaced.
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  We just had one in our office that said the scanner no longer
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  works. Ship it to this, address, things
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  like that. So scanners mess up.
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  It's technology, It's only as good as the people that built it
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  and humans are faulty. We all are.
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  And they run off of cell towers, so if you're not in a cell tower
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  area with limited service, your things aren't gonna pick up.
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  Properly. Or if you're like our post
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  office and lost power for three days and then they send somebody
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  in from national to find out why nothing's been uploaded because
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  your power's been out for three days, then it starts actually
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  feeding that data in, if it even feeds it at all.
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  We don't know for sure. But there's also that issue of
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  that as well. It could not be uploading if
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  there's no power, no Internet at the office when you put it on
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  the base. Yeah, we often have a problem of
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  no Internet in our office, usually around the time I'm
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  asking for reports. Funny how that works out,
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  doesn't it? We.
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  We. We we we had a critical scanner
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  failure the other day. Somebody on the City side was
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  going off on their scanner and next thing you know it was going
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  in the air over our heads. So I think they have to replace
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  that one. Ooh yeah.
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  Don't. Yeah, it'll be fine.
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  Just just dust it off and clean it.
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  It'll be fine. Yeah, it'll work.
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  Like, yeah, I know, yeah. And the Internet problem?
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  It sounds like your manager heard you come in and walked
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  right past the router and went right over the power cord.
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  Well, that this happens. I guarantee you at least four or
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  five times a week they've actually had to shut the window
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  down at times because there is no Internet.
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  Incredible, isn't it? Customer service at its best.
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  100% there. Yep.
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  All right, James, what we got next?
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  For our listeners there. How many have you gotten your
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  end of day reports, let alone your ptr's, your end of runs?
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  You know all that information that you're supposed to be
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  getting every day. How many have actually gotten
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  it? I'd like to see that because we,
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  you know, second mini mail survey and management still
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  doesn't know what to do and how to do.
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  Yeah, pretty much. If you're on YouTube, give this
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  video a like if if you've been getting your end of run reports.
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  If you're at a business that you scan a pickup paper and it says
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  I have to pick up 6 parcels but I have to do all six times do do
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  the go to the door 6 times. Do I use six trips to door?
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  Yes, you go trip to door and then you input the number six.
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  That's the easiest way to do it. All right, The big one.
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  Newspapers dropped at the dock. Are they not being counted in an
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  e-mail account? We counted ours last round and
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  as far as I know we get every day we get an Alpena news that's
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  dropped off to two routes, but it's only for the subscribers.
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  So they have been counting those when it gets to us because it's
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  actually they drop off the papers at the office just north
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  of us and then when our truck makes its way back down after
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  dropping the mail off, he picks them up there and then drops
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  them off to us and they literally come in like a plastic
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  bag. So those are never been getting
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  counted. And then last year our Wednesday
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  local paper and our Thursday local papers were individually
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  counted as well. Does those get dropped off at
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  the office South of us by the printer and then our truck grabs
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  them there and brings them up to us?
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  So the big thing is, on this mini Mail survey, the biggest
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  thing that they've been talking about is those drops at your
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  dock, the WSH, the ECR lots, they try to say that they're
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  counted. Check your radar reports if
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  you're getting them. Because most likely they are not
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  being counted in the end of run and radar reports.
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  So you're going to want to count them.
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  And if management is not willing to count them into the mini mail
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  survey, make sure you document them on your 40 to 40 during the
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  mini mail survey and then dispute it at the end of the
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  mini mail survey for district to make the decision and
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  determination on that. Because the biggest thing is, is
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  you want to get credit for the work that you do, and if they're
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  not being added into these reports, you want to make sure
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  you dispute it to make sure they get added into these reports.
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  What constitutes miscellaneous time?
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  Answering phone calls, answering questions at the sidebar for
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  customers at the window your safety service talks be putting
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  your well, they're saying stamp stock is the sale to the
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  customer. Because you know that should be
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  your miscellaneous time there. Anytime you have to make extra
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  trips for unexplained reasons because management wants to talk
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  to you and they won't get off their key stairs, OK?
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  Bathroom breaks is not miscellaneous.
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  That that's extraneous if you have what else We have keypad
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  access to dismount deliveries, yeah.
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  Entering gate codes to enter apartment complexes or.
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  Business parks that you have to go into elevator, wait time for
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  office buildings, if you need to use the elevator, get to go to
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  the CBU unit or the office to, you know, with certifieds and
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  packages and whatnot we have. Constantly delayed by a train.
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  And it's got to be constantly. That one is really a Gray area.
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  But yeah, it has to be something that's consistently.
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  If if you live with train tracks on your route and you stop there
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  frequently, like every other day, you're constantly stopping
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  for a train and it takes 1020 minutes for that train to clear
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  that crossing, you definitely want that on miscellaneous time.
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  And you'll be backed up by your stop times on there, and then
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  they'll see it on your scanner, so they can't dispute.
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  I we hear you, Josh. We actually just got district
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  approval for our hardship miscellaneous because they have
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  a gate that they keep closed and we have to open up the gate.
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  It's just like a farm gate type thing.
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  Pull the latch and it swings open.
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  And then when we're done, we have to close it.
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  And because I'm brought that up and it did get approved by
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  district because like they they got a gate and it's a hardship.
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  She's like, yeah, they have a bear problem.
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  And so the district's like, ohh, you're up north.
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  Yeah, I'm not even going to question that.
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  Go ahead. It's only a bear problem when
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  they walk around the backyard with nothing on, No?
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  Yeah. When the two elderly people who
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  can barely get around have a bear problem, yes, they keep
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  their gate closed. James, the one question you
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  discussed a few minutes ago about the multiple trips per
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  pickup or drop off, is it authorized dismount or not?
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  That makes a difference on which, yeah, if it's, if it's a,
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  if it's not an authorized dismount location, then and it's
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  just a parcel pickup and it takes you more than one trip to
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  load all the parcels. And yeah, that's a trip to door.
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  If it's an actual authorized dismount location, then yeah, it
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  would be authorized to smoke trips.
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  I just wanted to get the clarification put out there for
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  that situation one way or another.
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  No, no. And I like, I'm glad they they
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  threw it in there in regards to your tubs and trays now since we
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  have a centralized location. And we're not to keep ours at
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  our case. So make sure people are getting
• 25:10
  time for that because as in our office, people are coming over
• 25:14
  to get tubs and trays and then they need to come back and get
• 25:16
  more. Then they have to turn around
• 25:19
  and they have to bring the tubs and trays back before they've
• 25:22
  lived, leave for the route. And then when they come back
• 25:24
  from the route, they have to turn around and take the trays
• 25:26
  and tubs back to the centralized location.
• 25:29
  And management is having a fit about it and we have it in
• 25:33
  writing. Well, returning them at the end
• 25:37
  of the day is all under end of shift duties.
• 25:39
  But yeah, I can see if you're having to retrieve them.
• 25:44
  But we're we're making up the three trips just in the morning.
• 25:47
  Yeah, luckily we can keep ours at our case, so we're good
• 25:54
  there, but. That's a safety hazard when
• 25:59
  they're up underneath the case, OK?
• 26:01
  Well, that's what the janitor told the postmaster.
• 26:03
  OK, so you know. That not the not in the 25 years
• 26:07
  that I've been there, that we've ever had a recorded incident of
• 26:10
  anybody being injured. But this new janitor, he thinks
• 26:14
  the assistant, he thinks he is the assistant postmaster.
• 26:18
  It makes it harder for him to clean under the cases.
• 26:21
  Gotcha. Well, you know, if my postmaster
• 26:24
  would actually get floor cleaner in then our floors, would it
• 26:27
  actually get cleaned? We had an exploding box of
• 26:33
  Miracle Whip yesterday. Nice.
• 26:38
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 26:40
  That's one of the local corner markets out in the middle of
• 26:44
  nowhere orders a Miracle Whip from Amazon.
• 26:47
  And I don't know how many of the actual bottles made it out of
• 26:50
  that case, but I know we were cleaning miracle whip up off the
• 26:53
  floor. Yeah, sounds like fun.
• 26:58
  No, not at all. And and and people have to be
• 27:02
  aware of the fact that the batteries are traveling on
• 27:07
  ground services. We actually had a carrier have a
• 27:10
  package explode in a train next to him and after he changed his
• 27:15
  pants, you know, got the package opened up and found out it was
• 27:20
  an exploded battery in there. So you people in the heat belt,
• 27:24
  you know, watch out. I mean you you don't know what's
• 27:26
  in those packages that you're carrying and.
• 27:30
  God help you if they you know you're driving when it goes off.
• 27:33
  Luckily he stopped the box when it exploded.
• 27:36
  Wasn't injured, but you know, it's it's scared the bejesus out
• 27:40
  of them. Oh what?
• 27:41
  Me too. I think everybody would, because
• 27:44
  you don't expect that sound to in your truck when you're in it.
• 27:48
  You probably think the trucks exploded on its own, just how
• 27:51
  old they are. Well, I I grew up in North
• 27:54
  Philly, so that that that gunshots familiar to make.
• 27:59
  You worried when you don't hear them.
• 28:02
  Yeah, that's that's when you're true.
• 28:07
  We're going to move on from e-mail survey for now.
• 28:11
  Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 28:13
  What about question 144? Come on, trust that.
• 28:20
  I was trying. I was trying to get away from
• 28:23
  that one, just to be nice. No, no, we're not here to be
• 28:27
  nice. We're here to be informative.
• 28:30
  True, true. Sorry.
• 28:33
  We planned this address that. So the Q&A updates, specifically
• 28:40
  numbers one, 13135 and 144, MOU says upon receiving credit.
• 28:47
  Nothing about delivering the closed business or schools.
• 28:50
  What could happen if we chose to keep following the answer on 113
• 28:53
  and 135 and the PM says not to? Bill, you're hard pressed on
• 29:00
  this question. Why don't you?
• 29:02
  Take the ring I I want 144. That's what I said.
• 29:07
  The, the, the, the, the closed businesses and all again here we
• 29:12
  are, we're, we're going to get the DPS credit and then we're
• 29:15
  going to get the raw mail credit when you pull it out of the DPS.
• 29:19
  You're you're no longer going to get the bundle count for the
• 29:23
  eight pieces, but you know everybody's pro and con in
• 29:27
  regards to its actual value over and above an unscanned parcel.
• 29:35
  My question on 144 is that on the 25th it came out that we are
• 29:40
  now counting our WSH per the National Rule, Letter Carry
• 29:45
  Associations Rex question and answer page.
• 29:50
  Yet on 7/28/2023, the post office says they're not
• 29:55
  recognizing the WSH and they're not going to give us credit for
• 29:59
  it. Therefore, since we have a
• 30:02
  conflict of interest and they don't agree with the Union, you
• 30:05
  should be recording all your WSH flats because of the fact that
• 30:12
  it's a point of contention and should be disputed until they
• 30:16
  resolve it. The problem of it is, is why are
• 30:19
  we having this conflict still? And when you record it, I would
• 30:25
  say how many pieces and on what date.
• 30:30
  Well, if you don't know that to do that, then you're not doing
• 30:34
  your job because everything has to be verified.
• 30:41
  That's where I believe there's a sample sheet out there
• 30:44
  somewhere, James. In regards to what you should be
• 30:47
  looking for, yeah, the disputes sheet that has what you can
• 30:53
  dispute on that they recently put on the website.
• 30:57
  Yeah, there's that one. Yeah, that one's got the
• 30:59
  detailed list of what you can dispute and what you need as
• 31:04
  proof to dispute it. And that is on the NRLCA website
• 31:09
  under the rec stuff and it is a newer 1 dispute process or
• 31:17
  something another look that I'm not looking at it directly, so I
• 31:26
  think that one would be the best resource.
• 31:27
  I printed one off and gave it to every route in the office.
• 31:31
  Yep, and you want to make sure you you follow that and if if
• 31:35
  you need one, get with your designated union Rep to get you
• 31:38
  one or one of your fellow carriers that has access to the
• 31:43
  union website if you are not a non dues paying member.
• 31:47
  Because everybody deserves kind of that information.
• 31:50
  Yeah, because it was titled as the Rex Mini Mail Survey
• 31:54
  Worksheet and it's a good tool to use to document everything.
• 32:04
  What else do you want to avoid talking about James?
• 32:08
  All right, so we're going to go into something that is the
• 32:12
  elephant in the room. Is it going to send us, is it
• 32:15
  going to send us down the rabbit hole?
• 32:18
  Because I don't know how well an elephant is going to fit in a
• 32:20
  rabbit hole. Trunk first.
• 32:24
  It it may a little bit, but this isn't the biggest one that'll
• 32:27
  come after this discussion, OK? Because this discussion is
• 32:33
  there's been a lot of talk out there on both sides of the fence
• 32:38
  on the decertify the union movement.
• 32:44
  And one of the questions we've been posed is, can we discuss
• 32:49
  the decertify movement, the pros, the cons and stuff like
• 32:53
  that? Because what does it mean for us
• 32:57
  to decertify a union and what can come of decertifying the
• 33:03
  union versus staying with the union?
• 33:07
  So, Kristen, I'm going to go to you first, because I want Bill
• 33:10
  to take the time to think of his thoughts, collect, collect his
• 33:15
  words in a professional manner. I got it.
• 33:20
  Bullshit. We love you, Bill.
• 33:25
  We love you. I'm done decertifying.
• 33:32
  I see it as a not a good thing. I mean, if you don't have
• 33:39
  somebody else lined up ready to take the reins, it could be an
• 33:46
  end. I'll be all to the rural craft.
• 33:52
  It would be ugly. I mean, we'd be basically at the
• 33:56
  mercy of the post office. I could see it going into
• 33:59
  something similar either hourly with much less pay or in like a
• 34:05
  contracted carrier position where you know the lowest bidder
• 34:10
  gets the contract. Either way it's I don't see it
• 34:15
  as being a positive thing if you don't have the proper backing
• 34:21
  ready to walk into it and that notes you know I know the one
• 34:24
  big union and everybody was all hoping for said no from the last
• 34:30
  update that I saw on the social webs which doesn't surprise me
• 34:34
  one bit since we do have a non compete clause anyways.
• 34:38
  There is, yeah. They won't do that because
• 34:40
  that's representing competitive people, competitive groups.
• 34:47
  On top of that, UPS also has an anti compete in their contract,
• 34:51
  yes. So that that doesn't that,
• 34:54
  that's another reason why the Teamsters gonna do it and I'm
• 34:57
  with I'm with you on that and it has to be exactly perfect.
• 35:03
  Everything has to be lined up exactly right, and it still may
• 35:08
  not work, but they're. They're more than willing to
• 35:12
  try. But here's my my big caveat on
• 35:15
  all of this is if you haven't liked the union and you've been
• 35:22
  a a dues paying member and you haven't stepped up and voted and
• 35:27
  done the things that needs to be done to help this union.
• 35:32
  How? How are you going to help the
• 35:34
  new union when they come in to fix the things that are broken
• 35:38
  in our system if they are broken?
• 35:41
  Because the biggest thing here is you want a new union, but you
• 35:46
  haven't been involved in this one.
• 35:48
  And there are a lot of people who are involved in this one.
• 35:51
  I can tell you an average in each state, 10% were involved in
• 35:56
  this union. For this last National
• 35:59
  Convention, 10% on average across the nation of the ballots
• 36:04
  for delegates were returned. Now I understand some got their
• 36:07
  ballots late, some never got their ballots at all, things
• 36:11
  like that. But that still doesn't account
• 36:13
  for the only 10% returning the ballots overall.
• 36:18
  Their last our last contract, we only had 17% of the ratification
• 36:25
  ballots returned. 17% voted on whether or not we should approve
• 36:32
  our last contract that we had, 17%.
• 36:36
  Decided the fate of the rural craft people need to step up.
• 36:43
  I understand. You go well.
• 36:44
  It's only one vote. It doesn't change much.
• 36:47
  But look at how many people have already stepped up for the
• 36:50
  Decertify movement. Those people could be involved
• 36:54
  in this union, and that number of people could have swayed the
• 36:58
  vote the other way. They could have changed it.
• 37:03
  There's a lot of talk back and forth about what could be done
• 37:06
  to fix this union. But the biggest thing we need to
• 37:08
  do right now is have everybody to step up, vote for their
• 37:11
  delegates, get involved with the contract, get involved with your
• 37:15
  fellow carriers, get them involved.
• 37:19
  The only way we make this union better overall is from the
• 37:23
  inside. We participate.
• 37:26
  We file grievances. We get involved.
• 37:29
  And I understand people can't make time for meetings.
• 37:32
  I understand people can't make time or afford to be a delegate.
• 37:37
  You can still be involved with your vote.
• 37:41
  You can still research the delegates that are on your state
• 37:45
  ballot and vote for the ones you feel represent you.
• 37:48
  You don't have to vote for everybody.
• 37:50
  Every slot that's available for your state, just vote for the
• 37:53
  people you feel will vote for your way.
• 37:57
  That's how you fix this union. Not by getting rid of it, but by
• 38:02
  fixing it from the inside. Now I'll turn to Bill.
• 38:06
  Bill. Bill's turn.
• 38:08
  Bill's turn. Bill, first, go ahead.
• 38:13
  Go ahead, Josh, I. Want to say in conjunction to
• 38:20
  what they both said? Keep in mind.
• 38:25
  The contract that we are currently under is between the
• 38:28
  NRLCA and the Postal Service come May 20th.
• 38:34
  If we decertify assuming there's someone lined up ready to go, we
• 38:40
  will be without a contract because the NRLCA will no longer
• 38:44
  be our agent. What will happen between that
• 38:50
  point and when? The new union or agent or the
• 38:54
  union? Is able to negotiate terms for
• 38:58
  contracts. That's all I have on that.
• 39:05
  All right, Bill, let her rip. All right.
• 39:08
  As far as certification is concerned, it's a no go if
• 39:14
  that's Josh points out, you know a new agent steps in, then a new
• 39:17
  contract has to be approved. And we're caught in limbo, which
• 39:21
  means if you think the abuse and the the hostile work environment
• 39:26
  that you're subject to now is bad, it's going to get tenfold
• 39:31
  worse because you'll have nothing protecting you.
• 39:34
  There'll be no grievance process.
• 39:36
  There'll be no remanding to the National Labor Board without it
• 39:40
  going on for four years. By that time, you know you'll be
• 39:43
  out of the union and you'll be out of a job too.
• 39:48
  As James so eloquently says, if you're not involved, you don't
• 39:53
  have a voice. Your voice is that ballot.
• 39:56
  In my state particularly, we had 45 ballots qualified to go to
• 40:01
  the National Convention. After that, there was another 27
• 40:06
  to 30 people who wanted to go to the National Convention.
• 40:10
  The union members voted for people.
• 40:14
  They know their names. Whether it be a state president,
• 40:18
  state vice president, secretary, treasurer, ADRDR.
• 40:22
  What? What?
• 40:23
  It doesn't matter. Find people who have like
• 40:27
  thoughts in regards to how this union should operate and vote
• 40:31
  them in as delegates because they'll represent your view.
• 40:35
  They failed to realize this at the National Convention because
• 40:39
  of the fact that they're there for their own interests, to be
• 40:42
  placed on committees of favor by the national board, by their
• 40:45
  executive committee people. My personal ballot.
• 40:49
  I only voted five people in. I'm not required to vote for 45.
• 40:54
  I'm required to fill it out with one, the 45, but not all 45.
• 41:00
  So if you only find 5 qualified people you want to represent
• 41:04
  your state, your voice at the National Convention, vote for
• 41:08
  those. Don't vote for people just
• 41:09
  because they're in positions of authority or you, you know their
• 41:13
  name or whatever. Because folks, they're not,
• 41:17
  they're not representing you, OK?
• 41:20
  Find the people who have like, thoughts in regards to how this
• 41:24
  union should be guided in the future that are aligned with
• 41:27
  your personal thoughts in regards to how we should be
• 41:30
  treated, which we should be looking for in a contract, and
• 41:34
  vote for them. Don't vote just for names.
• 41:40
  That's how we change our national board.
• 41:43
  And you have to vote. When you're only getting 15 to
• 41:49
  20% of ballots returned, and I'm talking about a state that has
• 41:58
  over 4300 members and just over 500 ballots were returned if
• 42:07
  that number had been doubled, think about it.
• 42:12
  If the number of people double s, even though it still would be
• 42:17
  less than 50%, still imagine the change that could happen if that
• 42:22
  additional 506 hundred people voted for people that they felt
• 42:30
  best represented their ideas and what they want to see for the
• 42:33
  future of the craft, not just OH.
• 42:40
  Yeah, I recognize these names because they're in this position
• 42:44
  or this position or this position or, you know, they've
• 42:47
  been around forever, and I just recognize the name from them
• 42:51
  being around forever. No, I mean if that means
• 42:55
  reaching out to coworkers or trying to go to.
• 43:01
  My best suggestion would be trying to attend a state booster
• 43:05
  or a regional conference if you can all swing it.
• 43:08
  Because it's normally those same people that are at boosters and
• 43:12
  regional conferences. Those are the ones whose names
• 43:15
  are on the delegate ballot. Nine times out of 10, those are
• 43:22
  the ones that are going to everything.
• 43:25
  I'm going to put a challenge out there to our listeners.
• 43:29
  Every single one of you. I want every single one of you
• 43:34
  to step up and vote for your delegates.
• 43:38
  Both on the state conventions. If you get a state delegate
• 43:41
  ballot or your national ballot, I want both of them voted for
• 43:47
  every single person with Listen to this podcast.
• 43:49
  I want you to vote. If you're not a dues paying
• 43:52
  member and you want to help make this union change, become a
• 43:57
  member. You can get a form off the union
• 44:00
  website or you can get it from your designated union Rep or
• 44:05
  contact one of us. We'll get you the form.
• 44:08
  To get you to become a deuce paying member with this union
• 44:12
  and be able to vote. But I want every single listener
• 44:15
  out there to vote this next delegate season.
• 44:19
  I want you to be involved because I want to hear you guys
• 44:24
  took your voice and voted when it comes time.
• 44:30
  Yes, Bill, I'll let you talk about that.
• 44:32
  Go ahead, since I have permission from the godmother of
• 44:38
  United We Scam Mama. Bear, come on now, Mama bear,
• 44:43
  let's talk about retirees attending the National
• 44:47
  Convention. This is a pet peeve of mine
• 44:51
  because 23 out of my first 35 delegates were retirees.
• 44:58
  Now retirees are a big source of information.
• 45:04
  Some of them, some of them are there for the vacation.
• 45:10
  And this is bothering me because of the fact that we have in in
• 45:14
  the state of Pennsylvania, several very well educated,
• 45:17
  informed and active retirees that we want to attend.
• 45:24
  And then there are the ones who are going on to the national
• 45:27
  conventions to meet their old friends.
• 45:28
  Well, if it wasn't for National Convention or regional like Sack
• 45:33
  or Swack or mid states or anything, they wouldn't see
• 45:36
  these people. So you know how good of friends
• 45:39
  are you, you know you've had relationship for 20 years, but
• 45:42
  the only time you see each other or at the conventions where the
• 45:45
  union's paying for it. I don't need that type of
• 45:50
  participation. I need people like Wild Bill
• 45:53
  from Pennsylvania who sits there and gets rooms and puts up the
• 45:59
  flip charts and and, you know, gets the questions going and
• 46:02
  challenges. I need people that are active in
• 46:07
  our lives, not the ones who are active in their retirement.
• 46:14
  It's a little harsh and people say, wow, they earned a right.
• 46:17
  That's right. But as long as you're a retiree
• 46:19
  and you're taking a position on a national delegate convention,
• 46:23
  as a delegate, you're preventing people from moving up.
• 46:26
  And let me tell you, that's what suffocates this craft because of
• 46:30
  the fact that they sit there and say, well, I can't get, I can't
• 46:34
  become a national delegate because they can't get enough
• 46:36
  votes. Why?
• 46:37
  Well, the votes are going to the retirees, Thank you for your
• 46:40
  service. Step aside, let new blood move
• 46:44
  up and get involved. Otherwise, we're going to
• 46:47
  stagnate and we're going to die. And I can't say too much more
• 46:54
  about this past convention without getting in trouble, but
• 46:58
  we're on the same path that we've been on for the last
• 47:01
  decade plus. Nothing's changed except for the
• 47:05
  players names. I I have to agree with Bill on
• 47:10
  this because I met retirees that knew more about the craft than
• 47:17
  some of the other people that were actually delegates there.
• 47:21
  Some of the other people that are actually working their
• 47:23
  routes, they actually knew more about the job than other
• 47:27
  delegates. It was.
• 47:28
  It was amazing to sit there and talk with some of them and
• 47:31
  understand where they're coming from.
• 47:33
  And they brought up points of things on resolutions that the
• 47:40
  creator of the resolution didn't think about and other carriers
• 47:43
  didn't think about before it came up and things like that.
• 47:47
  Like one of the issues was. Dealing with EMA and the biggest
• 47:53
  question we have is what about the taxes?
• 47:55
  Because the biggest issue we had before was the IRS harassing Rd.
• 48:01
  carriers for their mileage that they were doing.
• 48:04
  And the biggest issue there is you're doing so many miles over
• 48:09
  your evaluated miles that you're being paid for that we think
• 48:14
  you're using your car for personal use and if.
• 48:20
  The resolution were to go through on that and come up with
• 48:24
  a substantial amount of money for EMA.
• 48:28
  There's a chance that the IRS could turn around and start
• 48:31
  doing that again. So and one of the retirees was
• 48:36
  one of the ones that brought that idea up.
• 48:39
  So they there are retirees that provide a valuable resource to
• 48:45
  the conventions. The ones who come there and
• 48:48
  spend all their time outside of the convention hall, especially
• 48:51
  during resolutions, and really don't spend too much time
• 48:55
  sitting in their seat listening and providing input to it.
• 48:59
  Those are the ones that I have the issue with.
• 49:01
  The ones that aren't willing to step up and participate still
• 49:05
  when they go to these functions that they were elected to do.
• 49:09
  It's like a politician who you elect into office and then
• 49:12
  spends all of his time over in in a vacation home or something
• 49:16
  like that, instead of doing the job, being on on the floor and
• 49:20
  helping to craft laws and vote on laws and things like that.
• 49:25
  So you have to think of it that way.
• 49:26
  You are elected to do a job. You should be doing that job.
• 49:31
  And if you're not willing to do that job, let somebody else have
• 49:35
  that job. And James can attest because we
• 49:39
  sat next to each other all week, There was times where I was
• 49:43
  itching and want to go up to that mic.
• 49:45
  But as a non delegate, I couldn't.
• 49:47
  You know, there was times where, you know, I wish I could have
• 49:50
  spoke my mind. I mean if it was something that
• 49:53
  was substantial on something, I'm pretty sure he would have
• 49:56
  went up there and asked to suspend the rules so I could
• 49:59
  talk. But I mean there was there's
• 50:02
  things that I would have gone up there and done, but I couldn't.
• 50:05
  I you know. It's hard to sit through sit
• 50:08
  through these as a non delegate. I will, I will admit that it is
• 50:11
  difficult to do that, but I wouldn't change it.
• 50:15
  I would still go year after year even if I was a non delegate
• 50:19
  just to get the information and see how it goes.
• 50:22
  And I can still talk to other carriers and try to get an
• 50:26
  input. You know their input and views
• 50:29
  on one way or another and that to me.
• 50:33
  Is more important moving forward.
• 50:35
  Is still collecting those ideas even as a non delegate.
• 50:38
  Then it to go you know. On top of that you get the
• 50:44
  experience for when you are a delegate.
• 50:46
  If you go to the non delegate the first time, you get the
• 50:48
  experience before you go as a delegate the next.
• 50:51
  Time, Yeah, I've been a delegate, so I mean.
• 50:57
  I'm just saying for. Yeah.
• 50:58
  For others. Ohh, yeah, ohh yeah.
• 50:59
  I mean if you've, if you've never gone.
• 51:02
  I mean, and you just want the experience because, you know,
• 51:06
  might be a little bit more closer to you, so you kind of
• 51:08
  want to go or it's a destination area that you really want to go
• 51:12
  to, you know, definitely go even as a nondelegate, I don't, you
• 51:18
  know, because your word talking to delegates, they could take
• 51:21
  your consideration into .2 as they're voting on resolutions
• 51:27
  and candidates and whatnot. You know, you have those good
• 51:30
  delegates that do listen to the non delegates for their input
• 51:36
  and we'll ask questions. I had several, especially quite
• 51:39
  a few first timers and some non first timers, some veterans that
• 51:43
  you know have gone for a while that were, you know, asking me,
• 51:47
  you know, my my thoughts on candidates and resolutions and
• 51:51
  whatnot. You could definitely still make
• 51:53
  those conversations and make a difference with the voting
• 51:56
  delegates too. I know last year I kept having
• 52:01
  to grab my seat so I wouldn't try and stand up because I was
• 52:04
  an alternate delegate. So was Kristen.
• 52:09
  So was Kristen. Yeah, yeah, he could tell.
• 52:16
  So it was usually the facial expressions.
• 52:19
  Yep. And then I asked her, what do
• 52:20
  you want to say? And then I'd step up and say it
• 52:23
  for her. Sometimes so.
• 52:25
  Yeah, you know it's. Because either that or we both
• 52:27
  had the similar views on it anyway.
• 52:29
  So he just got up there and did it.
• 52:31
  But yeah, it's, you know, voting for the right delegates.
• 52:36
  Voting for her you feel is going to best represent you is the
• 52:43
  best thing that you can do if you're not able to be there
• 52:47
  physically. And we need, I mean that.
• 52:51
  That's what's so disheartening about all of this is.
• 52:54
  All the people that say they want the change, all the people
• 52:57
  want the change and they don't understand why we didn't get the
• 52:59
  change. If you didn't send your ballot
• 53:02
  in, like I said, 1520% of getting turned in, that's a very
• 53:07
  small number compared to how many carriers we have within
• 53:12
  this union. That, that number you know you
• 53:18
  have over 100,000 members and. Barely 20,000 are doing anything
• 53:28
  but the other. But 50% of the other ones want
• 53:31
  to bitch and moan about change or not change, and they're not
• 53:36
  doing anything to help push that change forward.
• 53:41
  All right, I'm stepping off the it's it's like the general
• 53:44
  elections in politics, you know, If you don't vote for the
• 53:47
  candidate you think represents you, don't complain about it.
• 53:51
  You know, especially if you're not registered to vote, that's
• 53:54
  that's the worst and and it it pertains to this craft.
• 53:58
  If you don't vote, you don't have a voice.
• 54:02
  So you know, since that's a a silent voice, don't pitch about
• 54:06
  it. If you're not willing to step up
• 54:08
  and do something about your paycheck, your future, your
• 54:11
  rights to be treated with respect and dignity in the
• 54:14
  workplace, then folks just shut up.
• 54:18
  Because you know, somebody has to stand up to management.
• 54:23
  Somebody has to stand up to the union.
• 54:26
  It's you know, it's fighting, you know two different fronts
• 54:31
  and and I hate saying that because our union should have
• 54:35
  our back. Be active.
• 54:37
  Be proactive before it becomes a situation.
• 54:40
  Step up and and and put it to bed.
• 54:43
  Okay. Here is the Mastodon in the
• 54:46
  room. Nice place.
• 54:54
  I feel a rabbit hole here. This one's going to be hairy.
• 54:52
  Yeah, it's going to be. So I did actually hear they're
• 54:59
  attempting to to create a actual Mastodon using Asian elephant,
• 55:09
  but that's genetics and science, and I don't think a lot of
• 55:12
  people want me to talk about that.
• 55:14
  What they really want me to talk about is this question that I'm
• 55:18
  going to read verbatim. From one of our question posts
• 55:21
  that we've made for tonight's broadcast, and this one's going
• 55:27
  to be a tightrope word for word, I'd like to hear your take on
• 55:34
  the current president's flippant remark that carriers were
• 55:39
  overreacting to the pay cuts from the first round of wrecks.
• 55:43
  Makes my blood boil that this is what we have for socalled
• 55:47
  leadership. Josh, we'll start with you.
• 55:51
  I think it was a poor choice of words that he used.
• 55:59
  I think the fact that the union leadership along with postal
• 56:06
  management have been pointing their fingers at the carriers is
• 56:14
  not good, I think. The Union has strived to some
• 56:24
  degree better in some areas than others to try and put the
• 56:30
  training out there. Unfortunately to a, and I hate
• 56:38
  to say this to a certain degree, some of it.
• 56:46
  Can fall back on the carriers and but for are you to make that
• 56:55
  a, you know a point or contention I disagree with.
• 57:02
  And your thoughts? Oh, my thoughts.
• 57:09
  Yeah, it. I think it felt like a slap in
• 57:12
  the face to a lot of carriers. I really do.
• 57:15
  I think it was a I think it felt like a slap in the in the face
• 57:19
  to that 66% that lost. We're not talking about just a
• 57:26
  handful of routes, we're talking thousands of routes, 66% of the
• 57:34
  80,000 rural routes that we have.
• 57:39
  And those are just numbers I pulled off top my head.
• 57:41
  I don't have it right down to the very middle school number.
• 57:44
  66%, yes, I understand mail volume has gone down.
• 57:52
  We've all noticed that in most areas, but parcels have gone up
• 58:00
  to fold for many. And then we had the COVID stuff
• 58:04
  and we lost on that and you know, we hadn't been counted for
• 58:09
  five years. So yeah, #1.
• 58:12
  And our standards were lowered. I mean you're looking at routes
• 58:17
  your your high miles, low box routes that had that 2 minutes
• 58:22
  per box, now it's 1.2. Now you have this drive speed
• 58:27
  matrix that's absolutely ridiculous for the high miles
• 58:30
  routes and that's where a lot of that loss is in those instances.
• 58:36
  But then you have the coverage factor.
• 58:39
  Conflicts between the CVU's and the regular boxes, which they
• 58:44
  supposedly have fixed now. We'll see what happens there,
• 58:49
  but 66% felt slapped in the face by that comment.
• 59:01
  That's a large number. You know, I get not all the
• 59:08
  losses were great, but some of them were devastating and I
• 59:14
  think the the devastating decreases outweigh the meniscule
• 59:18
  decreases and it's just to the point of our national board
• 59:26
  needs to step up and prove themselves to the membership.
• 59:29
  I had a carrier tell me that today.
• 59:31
  It may take a difference. If they would actually stand up
• 59:35
  and prove that they're trying to help us, you know when you have
• 59:41
  and that goes all the way down into the NSS system.
• 59:44
  When you have carriers that are trying to contact, if they don't
• 59:49
  have a local steward and even if they do have a local steward who
• 59:54
  is unfortunately siding with management, it happens.
• 59:59
  But if you have. You know, offices where carriers
• 1:00:02
  are trying to get a hold of their areas and their Adr's and
• 1:00:05
  their Dr's, and they're getting absolutely no communication back
• 1:00:10
  whatsoever. We're failing the membership.
• 1:00:15
  And then to have that slap in the face on top of it?
• 1:00:20
  No, I no and just Nope. It's.
• 1:00:29
  Yeah, no. So unfortunately, I have to
• 1:00:35
  agree with our panelists here. And some of it really irked me
• 1:00:44
  the way he was stating these things.
• 1:00:47
  And you all know I'm big on numbers and I'm big on finding
• 1:00:50
  facts and finding the truth about things.
• 1:00:53
  And one of the comments that stuck with me was.
• 1:00:59
  Some may have lost an hour, some may have lost two hours, but it
• 1:01:03
  was not. Everybody lost 10 hours.
• 1:01:06
  He is correct on that, but but in my calculations that I did
• 1:01:14
  just now, carriers that lost four or more hours to their
• 1:01:20
  evaluation equated to 44% of carriers routes. 44% of routes
• 1:01:29
  lost four or more hours. That's huge.
• 1:01:34
  Yes, 22% lost one to three hours, 6% stayed the same, 14%
• 1:01:50
  gained 1 to 3 and 14%. Gained 4 or more, so you have 28
• 1:02:02
  percent that gained overall and everybody else lost.
• 1:02:14
  Even the people that had zero change lost on this evaluation.
• 1:02:21
  My route stayed the same and. As its 2018 count value, even
• 1:02:29
  though I have 50 more parcels a day, I may have less mail volume
• 1:02:37
  but not by much according to my postmaster.
• 1:02:41
  So I lost in this count even though my route stayed the same.
• 1:02:47
  The carriers that went up, they lost because their route should
• 1:02:51
  have gone higher. Because they should have had
• 1:02:54
  more inputs. So when you are turning around
• 1:02:57
  and you are telling your carriers that you are the reason
• 1:03:03
  why your route went down, that's bullcrap to me.
• 1:03:08
  You need to be telling us that our system is flawed and we're
• 1:03:14
  trying to fix it and we're holding management accountable
• 1:03:17
  for it, not sitting there and pointing fingers and blaming all
• 1:03:22
  this other stuff. You said the exact same shtick
• 1:03:30
  that Ronnie Stutz said at Midstates about carriers.
• 1:03:36
  You said the exact same verbiage.
• 1:03:39
  May not have been the exact same sentence, but the context was
• 1:03:43
  exactly the same. And that, to me is a problem.
• 1:03:49
  You just became president. You've been in that office as
• 1:03:53
  Vice President. You've been around this.
• 1:03:56
  You've seen what's going on. Now is your time to step up and
• 1:03:59
  lead, not turn around and kick the can down the road from the
• 1:04:02
  last president. Show us what you're made of, be
• 1:04:07
  a leader and fix this for the carriers, because US carriers
• 1:04:12
  are the ones you answer to. Not management, not the board,
• 1:04:18
  the carriers on the. The ground delivering the mail.
• 1:04:24
  Not on a route in Sonora, CA that you've never stepped foot
• 1:04:28
  into an office and two, and it takes 2 Rca's to run that route
• 1:04:33
  because it's so overburdened. Yeah, we, we've talked to one of
• 1:04:37
  the Rca's that runs your route in Sonora, CA.
• 1:04:41
  We know what goes on there. All right, Bill, before I go
• 1:04:46
  down a rabbit hole, I can't come out of your turn.
• 1:04:50
  Well, I got the excavator out in case I need to make the rabbit
• 1:04:53
  hole bigger. Boy, what a disconnect with the
• 1:05:01
  union, huh? Yeah, you have no idea what's
• 1:05:04
  going on within the craft on the ground.
• 1:05:07
  And you turn around and you tell us we're overreacting.
• 1:05:12
  I want to take Kristen 66% and put that into real numbers.
• 1:05:17
  That's. 52,800 routes went down. Put that number in your mind,
• 1:05:24
  ladies and gentlemen. 52,800 routes lost money.
• 1:05:29
  Now, of course, the figure quoted was, oh, 2.8 hours.
• 1:05:34
  Well, let's take 2.8 hours out of your paycheck and and see
• 1:05:38
  what you end up with. You know when you're on table
• 1:05:41
  one and you're looking for a parttime job to fill in the
• 1:05:44
  holes for that 2.8 hour loss. Let's not talk about the
• 1:05:49
  extremes, where people have lost 1216 and $20,000 have gone from
• 1:05:54
  high K's to substandard routes now.
• 1:05:57
  And by the way, do we remember the August magazine where
• 1:06:00
  Bridget was talking about, you know, accessing carriers?
• 1:06:06
  How convenient that article was posted then, huh?
• 1:06:10
  Because now, with this new mini mail survey, we're going to have
• 1:06:13
  even more problems. We, we we are at different ends
• 1:06:19
  as far as James and I are concerned in regards to people
• 1:06:21
  going up and I'm on a minimal end.
• 1:06:24
  He's on the average the upper end.
• 1:06:26
  But the the fact remains that after the first mini mail survey
• 1:06:31
  things have not been resolved. If not they've gotten more
• 1:06:34
  convoluted. And on my own floor we have
• 1:06:39
  carriers at each other's necks. I mean, they they really are at
• 1:06:43
  each other's throats and backs. And you know, it's it's terrible
• 1:06:47
  not to see them unite against management and it's terrible to
• 1:06:52
  see that the the top representative our union has
• 1:06:56
  makes a cold hearted, backhanded slap at the craft with no
• 1:07:02
  regards whatsoever because he has no personal experience in
• 1:07:06
  the last 15 years. And I'm sorry, I I, I'm sorry
• 1:07:11
  but you know I I respect my older generation but when their
• 1:07:16
  argument is while their significant other or their kids
• 1:07:20
  or their their inlaws are still working at the office so that's
• 1:07:24
  how they hear about it. I'm going to, I'm going to call
• 1:07:28
  bullshit on this. Because the number one, number
• 1:07:32
  one, if your significant other or your kid or your inlaw is
• 1:07:37
  working in an office and that management is well aware that
• 1:07:40
  your assets on the national board, it's gonna be paradise in
• 1:07:45
  that office. And not a single one of those
• 1:07:48
  carriers go through what the rest of us have to go through on
• 1:07:52
  a daily basis with the bullying and the micromanaging and just
• 1:07:57
  the downright disrespect that we get from our management.
• 1:08:03
  Especially in offices without a local union representative,
• 1:08:07
  correct. Oh, like like mine and mine.
• 1:08:12
  And mine. And what you're in regards to
• 1:08:16
  what you were saying, Bill, if the carriers are in each other's
• 1:08:19
  throats, they're not keeping an eye on the ball of what's
• 1:08:24
  happening to unify to improve from both management and the
• 1:08:31
  union side of it. You know.
• 1:08:38
  And you're right. Yeah, you're fighting a battle
• 1:08:40
  on 2 fronts. And and history will tell you
• 1:08:43
  you can't fight a battle on 2 fronts.
• 1:08:46
  If you don't unify, you're going to lose.
• 1:08:50
  We actually 3 fronts, if you count the carriers against
• 1:08:53
  themselves. Yeah.
• 1:08:56
  You know and and if you look, if you want real proof that our
• 1:09:01
  carriers don't trust management and don't trust the system that
• 1:09:06
  you put in front of us to use to evaluate our routes, actions
• 1:09:11
  speak louder than words on all fronts.
• 1:09:15
  Hold on, hold on, hold on. Wait a minute.
• 1:09:19
  That letter he signed? Isn't that what Ronnie said that
• 1:09:22
  he wanted before he would even consider extending the Mo U?
• 1:09:30
  Ronnie said he wrote it and Dejoy just made some tweaks.
• 1:09:35
  So that means Dejoy doesn't even believe in what was written
• 1:09:37
  because it was written by Ronnie.
• 1:09:41
  And on top of that, that shows you Ronnie's affiliation with
• 1:09:44
  the Post Office, because it was almost like The Joy wrote that,
• 1:09:49
  a lot of mumbo jumbo without any specifics.
• 1:09:52
  There was no teeth behind it. And yes, folks, we can talk
• 1:09:56
  about this because it is dealing with wages, where conditions or
• 1:10:01
  benefits to our jobs, our union is a benefit of our job and our
• 1:10:06
  leadership. Needs to understand that we have
• 1:10:08
  the right to discuss issues that are affecting our wages, work
• 1:10:12
  conditions and benefits. We're making a concerted effort
• 1:10:16
  here to educate our fellow carriers on the union process
• 1:10:21
  and on what's going on within the union so that we may make a
• 1:10:24
  concerted effort to be a united front with each other.
• 1:10:29
  And that's the most important thing here, Letters like this.
• 1:10:34
  From our national leader divide, this union, they put carriers
• 1:10:39
  after each other, especially the 33% that gained versus the 66%
• 1:10:45
  that lost. That's a big divide right there.
• 1:10:48
  And then you have somebody coming up and saying, oh, it's
• 1:10:50
  the carrier's fault, well, now you just divided them against
• 1:10:53
  the union. You just turned around and put a
• 1:10:56
  wedge between yourself and the carriers.
• 1:11:00
  Instantly it does. It doesn't matter what you meant
• 1:11:03
  on that. You put the wedge in there.
• 1:11:07
  Now the question is, are you going to drive it home or are
• 1:11:10
  you going to turn around and pull it out and try and rebuild
• 1:11:12
  what we have? James, of those 33% that went
• 1:11:17
  up, how what percentage of that became 47 or 48 that will get
• 1:11:21
  cut down to 43 once they figure out how to do it?
• 1:11:26
  Probably almost all of them. Most of them, most of them were
• 1:11:31
  already up in up in the K routes already.
• 1:11:34
  So if they gained more than four hours like they were 41 K and
• 1:11:39
  they gained more than four hours, then they're probably
• 1:11:42
  motioning for them to be cut. So those guys will be down in
• 1:11:47
  the lost category shortly thereafter.
• 1:11:51
  So I mean it's it's it's just hurting.
• 1:11:56
  To think about this stuff, it's just heartening to think that
• 1:11:59
  our carriers are sitting there and seeing something like this.
• 1:12:04
  And the biggest thing I can say is kudos on our leadership for
• 1:12:09
  pushing for more decertification with that message.
• 1:12:13
  They tried. They tried to scare them with
• 1:12:15
  it, but it instead drove a wedge in between the carriers and
• 1:12:19
  leadership. And not only did it push that
• 1:12:22
  movement forward more, but it also pushed those that were
• 1:12:26
  still on the edge of withdrawing their membership to decide that.
• 1:12:31
  Yeah, I'm going to, and I mean that there is a devastation in
• 1:12:37
  itself too. You know, they think about the
• 1:12:41
  devastation on a monetary level. I'm not thinking about it on a
• 1:12:44
  monetary level. I'm thinking about it on that,
• 1:12:47
  on that level of people having a voice, you know, when you lose
• 1:12:53
  that many people and that many voices.
• 1:13:00
  Well, kudos NASCAR 1987. As I was saying, kudos in NASCAR
• 1:13:08
  1987, hang out to become a local steward in their office.
• 1:13:14
  Absolutely. We just, we just, we just, we
• 1:13:16
  recruited one more person than the National Board has in years,
• 1:13:22
  yet they pat themselves on the back for all the ones that have
• 1:13:24
  stood up to it. Well, you know what?
• 1:13:26
  Go ahead and pat yourselves on the back.
• 1:13:28
  But we know where the truth of all a lot of those new stewards
• 1:13:32
  came from. And you're welcome.
• 1:13:36
  Yep. That sounds like Moana.
• 1:13:40
  That now makes 18 new stewards since this podcast started. 18
• 1:13:47
  new stewards is that is that 18 after the four they decertified.
• 1:13:55
  That is before the four they decertified.
• 1:13:57
  OK. All right.
• 1:13:59
  And they also decertified an ADR, yes.
• 1:14:03
  So maybe somebody can step up and be an ADR, wherever that ADR
• 1:14:08
  was from that got decertified. This is where I kind of have to
• 1:14:13
  side with Bill with the NSS system and going back to the
• 1:14:17
  state stewards having having states having some control over
• 1:14:22
  that. I'm going to I I hate to say it,
• 1:14:27
  but I I feel that we should take a page out of the city carrier
• 1:14:31
  side with their business agents which are similar to that of our
• 1:14:36
  DR's and above and have those be elected positions.
• 1:14:45
  I think our I think, I think our Adr's and our Dr. should be
• 1:14:49
  elected by the membership. Not appointed according to who
• 1:14:57
  they support on the board, correct.
• 1:15:01
  Here here. I can't argue with that.
• 1:15:05
  I think it should be the same for everybody on the state
• 1:15:08
  level. The ones that deal with,
• 1:15:09
  especially the ones that deal with step one and Step 2, should
• 1:15:12
  definitely be elected. Step threes should be on the
• 1:15:17
  national level. So that's going to be your your
• 1:15:21
  director of steward operations and your Nro's.
• 1:15:25
  So from that that point on those are still elected positions.
• 1:15:30
  So I think everybody in the steward system should be
• 1:15:32
  elected. State board members are elected
• 1:15:35
  by state members. We're talking about Adr's and
• 1:15:37
  Dr's. I'm talking about the steward
• 1:15:41
  system. Yeah, everybody just go.
• 1:15:43
  I'm replying to a comment in the chat.
• 1:15:47
  Yeah, State board is elected by state members.
• 1:15:50
  We just had ours at the state convention, yeah.
• 1:15:56
  This, this, this is a delegate. OK, he OK yeah, by delegate,
• 1:16:00
  yes, I I see what they're saying.
• 1:16:03
  State board should be voted on by the state membership rather
• 1:16:07
  than by the state delegates. I do get that as well.
• 1:16:12
  Honestly, I think nationals should be elected by the
• 1:16:16
  membership. There's no reason why we
• 1:16:18
  couldn't do a mail in ballot if we can get people to start
• 1:16:21
  voting on other stuff. You know, I really think we, you
• 1:16:26
  know, having that and having those things in prior to
• 1:16:32
  National Convention and then announcing who, but then that
• 1:16:37
  also see that's the conflict of it because that you may not get
• 1:16:40
  somebody that's, you know, they necessarily can't be nominated
• 1:16:44
  down if they didn't win a position.
• 1:16:46
  I mean, I get that back and forth, but I think what it would
• 1:16:49
  do is push these people who are serious about running for these
• 1:16:53
  positions to stick with running for these positions if they know
• 1:16:56
  that the entire membership has a vote in those positions.
• 1:17:02
  See, and I I can understand that position, but I'm going to have
• 1:17:07
  to argue the other way on that. And the reason.
• 1:17:10
  The reason why is because if our membership was voting for the
• 1:17:19
  delegates for the conventions, they were stepping up and
• 1:17:23
  actually voting for the delegates and not just getting
• 1:17:26
  one or two from each county for the state or.
• 1:17:31
  Getting, you know, delegates for National at a 10% average of
• 1:17:36
  ballot returns. If we were getting forty 5060%
• 1:17:39
  of ballots returned, I think that we would have a higher
• 1:17:43
  likelihood of a proper election of individuals.
• 1:17:48
  And then you get into your committeeman where we had to
• 1:17:52
  vote four times for the committeeman.
• 1:17:57
  How how How would that work out? On a mail in ballot system.
• 1:18:01
  Oh, you mailed in and this is the vote.
• 1:18:03
  So these people dropped out. So we sent you another ballot.
• 1:18:08
  I do. I do agree that our membership
• 1:18:11
  needs to have a bigger voice, but I think our membership needs
• 1:18:14
  to use the tools it has right now to be that bigger voice.
• 1:18:20
  And change the tools that we have now to better tools.
• 1:18:24
  Yes, so. But that Don't you ever disagree
• 1:18:30
  with her again. Yes, it's okay.
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  I am, I am completely all right with agreeing to disagree on
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  things. That's, you know, yeah, I
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  respect each, each and everyone of you's opinions, You know,
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  it's that's the nice thing about this is we could all have a
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  different opinion on something. But I'm still going to respect
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  your insight on it. And vice versa, so.
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  But anyways, the biggest, biggest thing that we can take
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  away from this is we need to unite.
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  Every single real carrier in this country and its territories
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  needs to unite together. We need to stand strong against
• 1:19:13
  management. We need to file grievances if
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  your local steward, your your area steward, your ADR, your Dr.
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  are not getting back with you. You need to go above their
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  heads. Go to your national regional
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  officer, which is your local committeeman, your elected
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  committeeman on the national board.
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  If you don't get a response from them, then you have to go to the
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  Director of Student Operations. If you don't get a response from
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  her, then you file with the National Labor Relations Board
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  because that's the next step in that process for failure to
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  represent. But you want to go through the
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  entire process before you get there, otherwise the NLRB will
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  just send you back to the union. The NLRB right now is extremely
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  overloaded with cases, especially on the City side with
• 1:20:09
  management falsifying documents, so going to them is a last
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  resort. Because it could be weeks, it
• 1:20:19
  could be months before you. You would even get a decision
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  from them. But the decision will come and
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  they will give you a fair and honest result as long as the
• 1:20:32
  other party responds to them so. But you want to try and solve it
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  within the union if you can, and if that means going above each
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  person's head to get the result, that's what you need to do.
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  Don't skimp on it, don't delay on it because you only have 14
• 1:20:51
  days to file a grievance. So work your way right up that
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  chain. Have all the elephants and
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  mastodons been addressed in this room?
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  I think so. Anybody have anything else?
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  Well, I I'm just concerned that they're bringing the Mastodon
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  back, you know, for the woolly mammoth and they're going to be
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  basically, you know, raised for their, for their fur, you know
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  that. That's just deeply concerning to
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  me. I'm more worried about the
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  diseases that it might bring back with it.
• 1:21:33
  You know, we already had the bat flu, so we might get the
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  Mastodon flu. Yeah, and all the stuff that's
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  hidden in the tundras and. You know, what do they call the,
• 1:21:46
  oh, the tarpet up in Russia? The what?
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  The tarpet. No, not the tarpets.
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  Up up the you know, the permafrost.
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  The permafrost. Yes, yes, they were in.
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  All those organisms too, Yeah, yeah, because they're talking
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  about they're having going to have to bring back a lot of the
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  fauna that was there in the permafrost when the Mastodon was
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  around. So that way it has something to
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  eat. Sounds like a big mess to me,
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  but. They had their time.
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  Leave them be now. It's time for new to take over.
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  Yeah. Remember when they first cloned
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  the sheep? It's like, Oh my Oh my God,
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  that's exciting. They made a sheep look like
• 1:22:35
  another sheep. But every time I drive by a herd
• 1:22:38
  of cows, I say the same thing. Oh, so you guys ready to wrap
• 1:22:47
  this up now? Yes, that's going on 9:00.
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  We can do that. I was just going to ask the same
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  thing. And and I've been good so far.
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  So you know, yes, before I go off, you know, short.
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  I think we all did pretty good on this one tonight, so.
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  Yeah. Josh, you got any final comments
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  tonight or? I'm sure I do.
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  It's still hot out there, you know, keep hydrating.
• 1:23:25
  Good luck with the count. I'm sorry, Mini mail survey.
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  Even though it's minimal amount of things that they're tracking
• 1:23:33
  and counting, every little bit helps.
• 1:23:38
  If you something that you think should be included and your
• 1:23:43
  management won't let you, write down how many pieces, what date
• 1:23:47
  it was, and file a dispute. Worst case scenario, no harm, no
• 1:23:52
  foul. Best case, you'll get credit for
• 1:23:54
  it in the end. Don't get overwhelmed.
• 1:23:57
  If you do, step back, take a deep breath and step back in.
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  Have a good week. See you next time.
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  The biggest thing that carriers can take away from this is we
• 1:24:10
  have to work together. We have to go towards the common
• 1:24:14
  goal of ensuring that we hold management accountable to the
• 1:24:18
  contract and do it with dignity, fairness and respect.
• 1:24:24
  Because at the end of the day, that is what we all want, is
• 1:24:28
  dignity, fairness and respect. And no matter what happens this
• 1:24:34
  next week, do it with your head held high and know that you are
• 1:24:38
  the best carrier at your job because you have the information
• 1:24:43
  to do your job. Good luck with the mini mail
• 1:24:46
  survey everybody. Hopefully it turns into your
• 1:24:49
  favor when they bring back the results and we'll talk to you
• 1:24:52
  guys next week. Go ahead, Bill.
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  Along the same lines you know, document, record.
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  Dispute. That's how the Mini Mail survey
• 1:25:09
  goes. Document what you have, you
• 1:25:11
  know. Document what you think is in
• 1:25:13
  contention in regards to the WSH.
• 1:25:15
  What's a unscanned parcel? Whatever.
• 1:25:18
  You know, if you don't argue the point, you can't win the point.
• 1:25:22
  Dispute it when the you know Mini Mail survey's over.
• 1:25:24
  Let it Run that process and then grieve it.
• 1:25:27
  The best voice that you have in these times is your own, because
• 1:25:31
  you're representing your own interests.
• 1:25:33
  And by doing so, you're being an example for everybody else in
• 1:25:37
  your office to do the same and you'd be surprised how
• 1:25:40
  contagious that becomes. Help out the carriers who who
• 1:25:43
  have questions, you know, management steps up and
• 1:25:46
  interfere. You say well we were talking
• 1:25:48
  sports, OK. I mean the, the, the nitpicking
• 1:25:51
  that management's doing now I'll have to go back to James and say
• 1:25:55
  carrier discretion, OK it it it you know, but the thing of it
• 1:25:59
  is. If you don't exercise your
• 1:26:01
  discretion, you're never going to get credit for it.
• 1:26:05
  Do your job the best you can, as honestly as you can.
• 1:26:08
  Don't cheat. It makes you a lesser person you
• 1:26:12
  know. It might be ventatious in the
• 1:26:14
  short run, but I want everybody to be the best possible person
• 1:26:17
  they can be within the guidelines that were confined
• 1:26:20
  by. And remember, you're the most
• 1:26:23
  important delivery today. No matter what happens.
• 1:26:26
  Get home to your loved ones. They're the ones that truly
• 1:26:29
  count. Thank you guys.
• 1:26:35
  I am going to touch on one thing.
• 1:26:37
  I know there was a couple statements when we put our
• 1:26:42
  feelers out. What talked about and that is
• 1:26:44
  getting RCA's to comply with more than just the six scans.
• 1:26:49
  As an RCA, who's going to be going regular here soon?
• 1:26:54
  That could be you and you don't know.
• 1:26:59
  You know that route that you're going to take over could you
• 1:27:03
  know it could be your primary route, you don't know.
• 1:27:06
  It could be your case mates route, it could be you would you
• 1:27:09
  don't know. So if you're an RCA and like
• 1:27:13
  many offices are short staffed and you're running all the
• 1:27:15
  routes, yes, you want to look out for that route.
• 1:27:18
  And I've said it time and time again, and I'll continue saying
• 1:27:21
  take ownership of each and every route that you run.
• 1:27:27
  Treat that route as if it was your very own that you're
• 1:27:32
  assigned to permanently, that you're going full time on.
• 1:27:36
  You know, reach out to your other RCA's and be like, hey
• 1:27:39
  guys, this is our paycheck too. These route evaluations is what
• 1:27:43
  our pay is based off of. In the off chance you're working
• 1:27:47
  under 40 hours, I mean, you know, I I rarely do.
• 1:27:51
  I have a paycheck that doesn't have overtime on it anymore.
• 1:27:54
  It's, you know. That's your paycheck too, as an
• 1:27:58
  RCA, and you should be doing all the additional stuff that you're
• 1:28:03
  supposed to be doing. You know, the mini mail survey?
• 1:28:07
  When you're covering those routes, you're still counting
• 1:28:09
  your inverteds. You're still counting your raw
• 1:28:12
  letters. You know, still pay attention.
• 1:28:15
  That way when you move up into your own route, you don't know
• 1:28:19
  what that carrier was or wasn't doing.
• 1:28:21
  But you know when you were running that route as an RCA
• 1:28:25
  that you were doing your best. For that route to have the best
• 1:28:28
  outcome, honestly do it honestly and correctly.
• 1:28:36
  And that goes for everybody. RCA's regulars, if you're even
• 1:28:40
  if you're, you know, I get it, a lot of you are getting ready to
• 1:28:43
  get out, retire or just fed up with it.
• 1:28:47
  But still, you know, think about that person that's going to be
• 1:28:49
  taking that route over for you. You know, Are you going to leave
• 1:28:53
  them having some? Astronomical drop that they
• 1:28:58
  weren't expecting, you know, ownership of the route.
• 1:29:02
  I mean, I can't express that enough.
• 1:29:05
  I guess maybe that just comes from being, I'm not going to say
• 1:29:08
  necessarily say old school, but as a veteran RCA with over 8
• 1:29:12
  months or eight months, eight years under my belt looking to
• 1:29:16
  go full time, you know, I don't want to see that route drop.
• 1:29:20
  You know, if it does, it does. If it doesn't, great.
• 1:29:22
  If it goes up, okay, I get it. But I don't want to see any of
• 1:29:27
  my routes in my office fail. I do all the all the scans on
• 1:29:33
  every single route that I run, regardless if I'm assigned to
• 1:29:37
  that route or not. And technically being a five and
• 1:29:40
  one with my aux route, I'm not on the matrix, but I still run
• 1:29:43
  everything in the office. So, RCA's, please, I'm going to
• 1:29:49
  beg you, educate yourselves. Find somebody in your office
• 1:29:54
  that may know what's going on. Ask them for help or what you
• 1:29:58
  should be doing and think about it.
• 1:30:00
  It is your paycheck as well. And be active.
• 1:30:05
  You know, reach out. I you know my R1 borrowed one
• 1:30:08
  and my new guy, you know, the both the new newer guys.
• 1:30:12
  I'm trying to pull them off to our next local meeting.
• 1:30:15
  You know, they they want informationized.
• 1:30:17
  What information do you want? I'll make sure you get it.
• 1:30:20
  You know, you got to be active. If you don't like something
• 1:30:23
  that's going on right now where you're thinking, hey, this might
• 1:30:25
  work better get active, put, you know, do those resolutions and
• 1:30:29
  get them through. Go to a meeting, get to know the
• 1:30:32
  people. Find out what people have your
• 1:30:34
  best interest in mind. That way when those ballots come
• 1:30:37
  out, and it may be your first ballot, you know who you're
• 1:30:39
  going to vote for as a delegate. And on that note, I know I'm a
• 1:30:45
  little passionate tonight, so I get for having a couple drinks.
• 1:30:51
  We'll be back next week and I want everybody to stay safe.
• 1:30:56
  I know there's still some pretty nasty heat going on in certain
• 1:30:59
  areas. I have not had it at my house.
• 1:31:02
  It's been in the high 60s, low 70s all week.
• 1:31:05
  I've wore jeans twice this week and it's a hurricane coming up
• 1:31:11
  the Florida coast here too. Going up in North Carolina.
• 1:31:17
  You know those that have been getting severe weather, I know
• 1:31:19
  we had some tornadoes downstate in Michigan here this past week,
• 1:31:24
  those that are in hurricane path and tornado alleys and super
• 1:31:30
  storms. You guys stay safe out there.
• 1:31:33
  You know, as Bill says, you are the most important delivery of
• 1:31:37
  the day and if it the weather is getting too hairy out there.
• 1:31:42
  As a carrier, you make that call on safety.
• 1:31:44
  If that means getting back to the office and filling out a
• 1:31:47
  safety form of 1767 to protect your behind, you're the one that
• 1:31:53
  makes that call for your safety. And I want everybody to stay
• 1:31:56
  safe out there, stay hydrated and we'll see you back next
• 1:32:01
  week. The.